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Texas governor signs new GOP voting restrictions into law

TYLER, Texas (AP) — Republican Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed an elections overhaul into law Tuesday that adds more voting restrictions in the booming state, after Democrats spent months protesting what they say are efforts to weaken minority turnout and preserve the GOP's eroding dominance.

Abbott signed the sweeping changes during a ceremony in the East Texas city of Tyler, where the surrounding county went for former President Donald Trump by a more than 2-to-1 margin last year. But it was far closer in Texas overall, with Trump carrying the state by 5 1/2 points, the thinnest margin of victory by a GOP presidential nominee here in decades.

The bill signing again underlined the hard right turn Texas Republicans made this year, including a new state law that took effect last week banning most abortions. Abbott said he chose Tyler because it was home to the voting bill's main author, Republican Sen. Bryan Hughes, who also authored the new abortion restrictions.

Already, the rewrite of Texas' voting laws are the target of at least three federal lawsuits — including another filed Tuesday — and all contend the changes will have a disproportionate impact on minorities. Abbott and other Republicans say it expands access by increasing the minimum number of early voting hours, but the law also puts new restrictions on late-night voting.

“I feel extremely confident that when this law makes it through the litigation phase, it will be upheld," Abbott said. “Because exactly what we've said, it does make it easier for people to be able to go vote. No one who is eligible to vote will be denied the opportunity to vote.”

Texas is among at least 18 states that have enacted new voting restrictions since the 2020 election, according to the Brennan Center for Justice.

The laws are part of a national GOP campaign, including in Florida, Georgia and Arizona, to tighten voting laws in the name of security, partly driven by Trump's false claims that the election was stolen.

Opponents did not wait for Abbott's signature to begin filing lawsuits against the new Texas law known as Senate Bill 1. The American Civil Liberties Union, minority rights groups and disability advocates are part of a broad coalition that filed separate lawsuits last week in federal court in Texas, accusing Republican lawmakers of violating the federal Voting Rights Act and intentionally discriminating against minorities.

Some changes squarely take aim at Harris County in the Houston area, where President Joe Biden carried the county of 1.6 million voters last year by a 13-point margin. Amid the COVID-19 pandemic last year, Harris County elections officials offered 24-hour polling places and drive-thru voting, which are now outlawed under the new law. The county also tried sending mail-in ballot applications to more than 2 million registered voters, but going forward in Texas, any elections official who tries sending an application to someone who doesn't request one could face criminal charges.

Partisan poll watchers are now also entitled to more movement, and election judges who obstruct them could also face criminal penalties, which Democrats argue could lead to voter intimidation.

“Black votes were suppressed today. Texas Governor Greg Abbott has intentionally signed away democracy for so many. We are disgusted," NAACP President Derrick Johnson said in a statement.

In response to new voting restrictions in GOP-controlled statehouses, Democrats in Congress want to pass new federal voting rights protections at the federal level but have been unable to overcome opposition from Senate Republicans.

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by Anonymousreply 102October 31, 2021 5:15 AM

White House press secretary Jen Psaki defended Biden’s approach on voting rights, saying the president had used his bully pulpit and made Vice President Kamala Harris the point person on the issue. But Psaki said the administration planned to take additional but unspecified steps to address concerns from voting rights groups. “We would say to these advocates: we stand with you,” Psaki told reporters Tuesday aboard Air Force One. “There’s more we’re going to keep working on together.”

Abbott signed the bill 100 days after Democrats kicked off a summer of last-ditch maneuvers by walking out of the state Capitol to temporarily block the measure. That was followed by more than 50 Democrats flying to Washington, D.C., in July to thwart the bill for a second time, which led to Republicans issuing civil arrest warrants in an effort to compel Democrats to return, although no one wound up being forced to come back.

But the protests did not wind up significantly changing the bill, underscoring Republicans' determination to pass the measure and the strength of their commanding majority in the Texas Capitol.

by Anonymousreply 1September 7, 2021 10:50 PM

Jesus fucking Christ! This is terrifying.

by Anonymousreply 2September 7, 2021 10:51 PM

Whatevs. It's Texas.

by Anonymousreply 3September 7, 2021 10:52 PM

Fucking Republicans Totally corrupt.

by Anonymousreply 4September 7, 2021 10:52 PM

What a shit state!

by Anonymousreply 5September 7, 2021 10:53 PM

Repigs cheat when they cannot win legitimately. There has been no fraud on every single point in this new draconian, barbaric law.

The Repigs don't want people voting. Because they will lose.

by Anonymousreply 6September 7, 2021 10:58 PM

This is sick beyond belief.

When are they going to die already?

I can’t take this evil shit anymore.. Fuck…

by Anonymousreply 7September 7, 2021 11:00 PM

The opposition has been doing this since 1865.

They've been restricting voting rights for blacks and minorities for over 150 years.

by Anonymousreply 8September 7, 2021 11:01 PM

And most of the rest of the former Confederacy will follow suit.

Turns out they won the Civil War after all.

by Anonymousreply 9September 7, 2021 11:06 PM

And some Texans truly believe that their state belongs on par on the world stage with more civilized states. Oh, the undeserved hubris!

by Anonymousreply 10September 7, 2021 11:12 PM

How do Democrats keep experiencing these kinds of MAJOR losses, when we control the House, the Senate, AND the Presidency?

by Anonymousreply 11September 8, 2021 1:54 AM

Joe Manchin - fake Dem, in the pocket of the plutocrats

by Anonymousreply 12September 8, 2021 2:49 AM

Because TX isn't located in Washington, DC, hon. It's a state on the border with Mexico.

by Anonymousreply 13September 8, 2021 12:52 PM

If they’re this bad now who knows what they have in store in the coming years, when they have no concerns about winning elections ever again. They always go too far and are probably besides themselves with glee thinking of new ways they can hurt people.

by Anonymousreply 14September 8, 2021 1:03 PM

From the comments:

[quote] I think this is clearest in those jurisdictions where the agency that sells IDs is moved as far from the POC as possible and certainly where there is no public transportation.

[quote] To get an ID, I must have $75, not be working during the agency hours of operation, have the transportation and gas to get there and then stand in line with a fussy kid. For low income workers or the elderly, may be a BIG barrier.

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by Anonymousreply 15September 23, 2021 2:43 PM

Fuckery in Florida

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by Anonymousreply 16October 8, 2021 1:47 PM

texas is a nasty cesspool

by Anonymousreply 17October 8, 2021 2:06 PM

Let’s rescind the Americans With Disabilities Act and trap governor Abbott atop an elevator free penthouse third trimester abortion clinic.

by Anonymousreply 18October 8, 2021 3:08 PM

Beyond shameless

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by Anonymousreply 19October 9, 2021 12:51 AM

[quote] Democrats won’t be rallying voters with claims they can flip control of the Texas Legislature in the general election a year from now. The redistricting maps nearing approval in the current special legislative session make that a near impossibility. Missing their last chance to win a majority in the Texas House in 2020 — remember that “Turn Texas Blue” battle cry? — was politically expensive for the state’s Democrats.

[quote] It meant the new political maps drawn to fit the new 2020 census would be tailored by Republicans, for Republicans, and that Democrats’ wishes would end up in the dustbin or, at best, in the courts. That’s what’s happening, and those are the maps that will be used in the 2022 elections. They’re not quite law yet but will be soon, and they are markedly more Republican than this conservative state’s recent voting history.

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by Anonymousreply 20October 18, 2021 2:00 PM

This is why Democrats should be - and are - gerrymandering the fuck out of the states they control. Might as well fight fire with fire.

by Anonymousreply 21October 18, 2021 4:54 PM

Next up: ban dancing!

by Anonymousreply 22October 18, 2021 5:27 PM

[quote]Ted Cruz’ dumb tweet about Australia, and the response from Michael Gunner, the Chief Minister for the Northern Territory.

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by Anonymousreply 23October 18, 2021 8:55 PM

[quote] BREAKING: Texas Legislature approves new congressional redistricting map & sends it to Gov. Abbott (R) for signing. The map adds no new majority-minority districts, despite TX gaining 2 seats & 95% of the state's population growth being fueled by people of color.

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by Anonymousreply 24October 19, 2021 1:28 PM

Gov. Greg Abbott has named a new TX secretary of state: A lawyer who helped Trump challenge the PA election results.

[quote] John Scott is a lawyer from Fort Worth. He previously served as Deputy Attorney General for Civil Litigation under then-Attorney General Abbott. He also served as the first Chief Operating Officer of the Health and Human Services Commission, according to the governor’s office.

[quote] “John Scott is a proven leader with a passion for public service, and his decades of experience in election law and litigation make him the ideal choice for the Texas Secretary of State,” said Governor Abbott in a news release. “John understands the importance of protecting the integrity of our elections and building the Texas brand on an international stage. I am confident that John’s experience and expertise will enhance his oversight and leadership over the biggest and most thorough election audit in the country. I am proud to appoint John as the Texas Secretary of State and look forward to working alongside him to ensure Texas remains the best state in the nation.”

[quote] The Secretary of State is the chief election officer in the state and the only non-elected official in the Executive Department.

[quote]Texas has been without a Secretary of State since May 31, when Ruth Hughes, the previous secretary, resigned after the Texas Senate did not take up her nomination.

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by Anonymousreply 25October 21, 2021 3:16 PM

Texas is a post-democracy now.

by Anonymousreply 26October 21, 2021 3:23 PM

[quote] Instead of going to an informant who smoked out fraud by Democrats, Patrick’s five-figure payout went to a progressive poll worker in Pennsylvania whose tip led to a single conviction of illegal voting by a registered Republican.

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by Anonymousreply 27October 21, 2021 3:25 PM

Annnnndddd...

Sued.

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by Anonymousreply 28October 25, 2021 10:15 PM

The map

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by Anonymousreply 29October 25, 2021 10:20 PM

Revolting.

by Anonymousreply 30October 25, 2021 10:28 PM

Why can’t Texas just pass a law that says what it really wants to do: “No Blacks are allowed to vote!”

by Anonymousreply 31October 25, 2021 10:31 PM

What fun would that be, R31? It's so much better if they let them go out of their way, work for it, sweat for it...delude themselves into thinking they might win...then make a show of saying, "Now, y'all know better than that! WE get to decide who runs the show, like always. Git on back to work now." It gives them something to talk about at church potlucks, other than behind one another's backs.

by Anonymousreply 32October 25, 2021 10:38 PM

I remember 20 years ago I lived in Oklahoma and I was dating a Fancy Rich Gay in Dallas, who I met online.. We used to hang around with other Elite Dallas Gays. They would all say the same thing--as soon as Governor Rick Perry is voted out Texas will flip Dems and WE dems will be running things--and they believed it. And Gay Oklahomans said the same thing about Dems taking over..My Dallas friends might have been rich but they sure were stupid and naive.

by Anonymousreply 33October 25, 2021 10:57 PM

Texas is purple, R33. We're getting closer. Governor Hotwheels isn't doing all that well in polling right now.

by Anonymousreply 34October 25, 2021 11:03 PM

R34 = Yeah. You just made my point. They have been saying that about TX Governors for years. It never changes and it just gets worst. Polling is irrelevant when you are rigging the election...

by Anonymousreply 35October 25, 2021 11:15 PM

These laws work hard to keep power in GOP hands

by Anonymousreply 36October 25, 2021 11:58 PM

If they can send unsolicited ballots, then why can't they make it easier to get an ID? If people can vote, they can apply for an ID. Seems like that would make everyone happy unless one side is being disingenuous. I can already guess which side it is.

by Anonymousreply 37October 26, 2021 12:07 AM

Moreover, we require identification passports to enter a restaurant but we don't require an ID to vote. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

by Anonymousreply 38October 26, 2021 12:09 AM

^^^Nobody has an obligation to go to a restaurant (they can cook for themselves, as I do, if they so chose). EVERYBODY has a moral obligation to participate in the form of representative government we have chosen and, as such, the Constitution protects citizen's rights to do so. Infringing on anyone's right--especially without due process--is fundamentally undemocratic.

Either you actually knew that or you don't have the ability to understand sense.

by Anonymousreply 39October 26, 2021 12:23 AM

Not voting is also a form of participation. The way I see it is you have two problems. One being unsolicited ballots and outdated voter rolls and the other being difficulty obtaining an ID. You fix both of these issues and then there is no more problem.

by Anonymousreply 40October 26, 2021 12:31 AM

[Quote] Moreover, we require identification passports to enter a restaurant but we don't require an ID to vote. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

One is a constitution right, extended to all citizens whether or not you have an ID. The other is a way to go to a restaurant.

by Anonymousreply 41October 26, 2021 1:59 AM

You can't just wander in off the street and vote. Many states do require photo ID or they accept official voter's registration cards. The poll clerk at the polling place has a copy of your license, address and signature. Your license must be valid (up to date), your signature and picture must match and you must be voting in your proper precinct. If you do not match your picture or your signature doesn't match, you must vote a provisional ballot. If you are in the incorrect precinct, you have the choice to go to your proper precinct to vote or to vote provisional ballot.

Some states will accept alternate forms of identification, such as a utility bill that's dated within the last 6 moths, or a passport, ect. but they will only allow you to vote a provisional ballot with them.

The difference between a regular ballot and a provisional ballot: the provisional ballot is NOT counted in the tally of that day's (night's) election results. A provisional ballot goes to a committee where it will be vetted and certified. This process can take anywhere from 7-14 days, POST election day.

This is why voter fraud is so rare.+

by Anonymousreply 42October 26, 2021 2:18 AM

Provisional ballot timeframe quicker in some places, I sure. Depended on how many people working.

by Anonymousreply 43October 26, 2021 2:24 AM

Same in North Carolina

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by Anonymousreply 44October 26, 2021 2:27 AM

Talking about State IDs is fine---but remember YOUR STATE is SELLING YOUR DMV INFO......How much are YOU getting from their profit?...Just sayin'....LINK

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by Anonymousreply 45October 26, 2021 2:32 AM
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by Anonymousreply 46October 26, 2021 2:44 AM

R46 Bullshit, the last election came down to a few thousand votes in battleground states. Voter ID is necessary

by Anonymousreply 47October 26, 2021 2:17 PM

The ONLY point of voter ID laws was to stop the minority vote. Republican states enacted because they knew black voters were less likely to have one.

Then they closed DMVs in black neighborhoods and they increased the types of proof you needed in order to get an ID.

by Anonymousreply 48October 26, 2021 2:34 PM

The whole point of registering to vote is ridiculous.

We should all be registered at birth

by Anonymousreply 49October 26, 2021 2:35 PM

Other election related news:

[quote] Federal officials have for weeks been in talks with Wyman, who is Washington state's secretary of state, to serve as the election security lead for DHS' Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The sources said Wyman's selection would not be official until all administrative paperwork is cleared with the White House and the administration announces her appointment.

[quote]As a Republican secretary of state, Wyman repeatedly refuted Trump's false assertions that mail-in ballots invite fraud. Trump's proclamations, she said, were undermining US democracy. And in a May interview with CNN's "New Day," Wyman sharply criticized the sham "audit" of 2020 election results commissioned by Arizona Republicans.

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by Anonymousreply 50October 26, 2021 4:36 PM

The single biggest threat to democracy is when people lose faith in our elections. If you can't understand why voter ID is necessary in the US, then you are beyond help.

by Anonymousreply 51October 26, 2021 5:05 PM

No. The single biggest threat to democracy is when people attempt to steal elections.

Lack of faith in elections, like lack of faith in religion is emotional and individualistic. No one should be allowed to take someone else vote away based on their feelings (in either of these cases).

by Anonymousreply 52October 26, 2021 5:11 PM

[quote] The single biggest threat to democracy is when people lose faith in our elections. If you can't understand why voter ID is necessary in the US, then you are beyond help.

People only lose faith when their leaders tell you not to trust it. This was the safest election in our history, but the GOP passed even more rules to "Keep faith in elections." As usual, the rules are about blocking minorities from voting.

by Anonymousreply 53October 26, 2021 5:16 PM

[quote] If you can't understand why voter ID is necessary in the US, then you are beyond help.

If it's so necessary, shouldn't it be free and very easy to get?

It's oddly not on either account

by Anonymousreply 54October 26, 2021 5:17 PM

North Carolina's voting law was so severe that the federal court smacked it down stating: It targeted black voters “with almost surgical precision.”

by Anonymousreply 55October 26, 2021 5:20 PM

R54 Yes, on that point we can agree.

[quote] People only lose faith when their leaders tell you not to trust it.

It's not just Donald Trump supporters who lack faith in our elections. It's obviously a systemic problem. Enforce voter ID and make them more easily available. That should be an ideal solution right?

by Anonymousreply 56October 26, 2021 5:21 PM

To get a state ID, you must pay for a copy of your birth certificate, take time off work, get transportation to the DMV, wait hours and then show whatever list of proof it asks for (birth certificate, a bill showing you live in a certain place, etc), and then pay the for the ID.

When you have a job that barely pays the bills and DMVs near your home have been closed down, there's little incentive to go through all these obstacles. And the GOP knows that.

by Anonymousreply 57October 26, 2021 5:23 PM

[quote]Gov. Greg Abbott has named a new TX secretary of state: A lawyer who helped Trump challenge the PA election results.

In that case we should just be grateful it wasn't pistol-packing former pocket gay Briscoe Cain.

by Anonymousreply 58October 26, 2021 5:23 PM

[quote] Enforce voter ID and make them more easily available. That should be an ideal solution right?

Enforce voter ID and the ID must be easy to get and free.

by Anonymousreply 59October 26, 2021 5:24 PM

When the ID costs money, it's a poll tax, used through the Jim Crow years to block blacks from voting.

by Anonymousreply 60October 26, 2021 5:25 PM

R59) Like the RealID?

by Anonymousreply 61October 26, 2021 5:31 PM

How many other states have 24 hour voting? Drive through voting? Send out unsolicited ballots through the mail?

by Anonymousreply 62October 26, 2021 5:33 PM

[quote] Like the RealID?

A RealId, which cost, about $40, is only necessary for federal entry like courthouses or to get onto airplanes.

I just checked and my state of New York only charges $13 for a standard id, which I consider to be a reasonable, nominal amount.

Moreover, in NY you can also vote with: Current and Valid Photo ID, Current Utility Bill, Bank Statement, Government Check or Paycheck, Government Document that shows Name and Address

[quote] How many other states have 24 hour voting? Drive through voting? Send out unsolicited ballots through the mail?

Eight states – California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Washington – conduct what are commonly referred to as all-mail elections. In these states, voting is conducted primarily, although not necessarily exclusively, by mail. This article addresses the utilization of all-mail elections in the United States. See the sections below for additional information:

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by Anonymousreply 63October 26, 2021 5:40 PM

Greg Abbott should be the posterchild of abortion. Had his mother made the right choice, we wouldn't have to deal with this POS today.

by Anonymousreply 64October 26, 2021 5:42 PM

Texas is a cesspool

by Anonymousreply 65October 26, 2021 5:48 PM

[Quote] How many other states have 24 hour voting? Drive through voting? Send out unsolicited ballots through the mail?

Why not? Every state should have those if you want to encourage voting. But they don’t want to encourage voting. Why is it that in minority neighborhoods, people had to wait up to 12 hours to vote?

by Anonymousreply 66October 26, 2021 6:50 PM

[quote] I just checked and my state of New York only charges $13 for a standard id, which I consider to be a reasonable, nominal amount. Moreover, in NY you can also vote with: Current and Valid Photo ID, Current Utility Bill, Bank Statement, Government Check or Paycheck, Government Document that shows Name and Address.

NY isn't the issue, the Republican states are. But not only do you have to pay for the ID, you have to pay for a copy of your birth certificate, the time off work to get to your DMV, your transportation back and forth.

It isn't worth it to most to take off a day of work to get an ID

by Anonymousreply 67October 26, 2021 7:03 PM

I suppose it would be hard to get hard to passed but why not a Transportation bill that would withhold federal highway funds - which I assume every state wants - unless free/reduced fee driver's and non-driver's licenses are made available.

Surely some creative person can come up with a scheme.

by Anonymousreply 68October 26, 2021 7:17 PM

[quote] NY isn't the issue, the Republican states are. But not only do you have to pay for the ID, you have to pay for a copy of your birth certificate, the time off work to get to your DMV, your transportation back and forth.

We’re on the same side of this issue and in complete agreement. The continuation of my statement actually goes on to nullify what you just said. In NY I can vote with multiple documents and not just the arbitrary Jim Crow barriers these GOP states are attempting to revive.

It’s been stated multiple times above that a voter is card could be issued to every citizen if identity is the actual concern. But it is not, which is why Texas (for example) would never allow someone to show up with a combination of photo work ID + utility statement or paystub (when they’ve already registered, of course).

Furthermore, I think it is unconscionable that someone is not allowed to vote in some states if their *only* ID is a federal veterans card.

by Anonymousreply 69October 26, 2021 7:35 PM

R68 It makes too much sense therefore will never happen. Besides, they like having division.

by Anonymousreply 70October 26, 2021 7:35 PM

R67) Everyone has to get a copy of their BC , the time off work and go to the DMV. As far as NYC not being the issue Republican states, so are Republican states being held to a different standard?

by Anonymousreply 71October 26, 2021 8:36 PM

All those arguments about what should be allowable as ID are correct, but the point isn't actually to identify the voter, it's to stop minorities from voting.

by Anonymousreply 72October 26, 2021 8:39 PM

[quote] Everyone has to get a copy of their BC , the time off work and go to the DMV. As far as NYC not being the issue Republican states, so are Republican states being held to a different standard?

Republican states are holding themselves to a different standard--a standard that includes many obstacles to prevent those who tend to vote Democratic from voting.

An example is a gun license IS considered proper ID while a college is not.

By the way, NY doesn't require any ID.

by Anonymousreply 73October 26, 2021 8:40 PM

I had to take off to get documents from time to time. We all have to do that. I don't see that as discriminating.

But if you close facilities to make it harder to get documents then that is an issue. If you close voting locations to discourage voters in some areas then that is an issue.

I am unsure how I feel about just automatically mailing out ballots to addresses without a request by the voter. I can see issues on both sides.

by Anonymousreply 74October 26, 2021 8:44 PM

The Administrative Resource

[quote] TIMOTHY SNYDER: “Well, as someone who follows contemporary Russia, there is a Russian phrase that comes to mind, which is ‘the administrative resource.’ What the administrative resource means in Russian is that, sure, you have an election, but the people who are running the election are going to determine how the election turns out. What the Republicans are going for is precisely that thing—the administrative resource.

[quote] Historically speaking, what we know about a big lie is that, because of its very scale, it’s not about truth or not-truth, it’s about living in a kind of alternative reality. And what we’re looking at is people who believe in or pretend to believe in this Big Lie actually carrying out our elections. And the problem with this, or one of them, is that, since these people have already claimed that the other side cheated, that basically legitimates their cheating. In other words, if you talk about the Big Lie now, you’re basically promising to cheat the next time around, and that’s very concerning.”

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by Anonymousreply 75October 26, 2021 8:50 PM

Republicans in the South have been repressing Black, Hispanic and Indigenous voters for decades. Hell, Southern Democrats were the originators of that during the era of Jim Crow with literacy tests and sending out KKK to threaten Blacks who were voting for more social progress back then. Young working class white people don't vote much either and literacy tests targeted them too. So basically the only people who could reliably vote are old retired white people lean conservative. With these new restrictions, working class people who have to work to put food on the table, won't have any time to go vote. If the polls aren't opened early or opened late. Who will be able to vote? The fact that voting days aren't treated like holidays and you can't just be automatically registered by being a born or naturalized citizen is ridiculous. The electoral college doesn't help matters either.

by Anonymousreply 76October 26, 2021 8:53 PM

[quote] I had to take off to get documents from time to time. We all have to do that. I don't see that as discriminating.

Do you work a minimum wage job? Do you depend on your daily wage to eat? pay rent?

To go through all that trouble just to vote doesn't make sense for many people.

The discrimination part is that the Republican states specifically chose to implement voter ID laws when they realized blacks are the least likely to have ID. Do you truly think they would have done the same if their own base didn't have ID?

by Anonymousreply 77October 26, 2021 9:01 PM

[quote] I am unsure how I feel about just automatically mailing out ballots to addresses without a request by the voter. I can see issues on both sides.

Many states have mail in ballots only without any problem at all.

by Anonymousreply 78October 26, 2021 9:02 PM

11% of the US citizen population doesn't have ID.

25% of blacks of voting age don't have ID.

In North Carolina for example, the law specifically excluded ID that tended to be held by blacks: public assistance ID and state employee ID.

This is a solution in search of a problem as voting fraud is so rare that even Trump's Council to study voter fraud had to disband because it couldn't find any.

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by Anonymousreply 79October 26, 2021 9:06 PM

Voting is a right yet thousands, if not millions, cannot vote because they don't have the proper ID.

So, are we really focused on voter fraud (hardly any) or stopping people from voting.

In 2016, 17,000 Wisconsinites in two counties likely didn’t vote in 2016 because of the state’s voter ID law. That was enough to have tiled Wisconsin to the Dems. That was the point.

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by Anonymousreply 80October 26, 2021 9:09 PM

R80 So is it so rare that's it hardly worth mentioning or does it tilt elections?

by Anonymousreply 81October 26, 2021 9:13 PM

R81, fraudulent vote is so rare that it doesn't tilt election. Voter suppression is common and does tilt elections as we see from R80.

by Anonymousreply 82October 26, 2021 9:54 PM

Gerrymandering? What gerrymandering?

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by Anonymousreply 83October 26, 2021 10:02 PM

A. Fucking. MESS!

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by Anonymousreply 84October 26, 2021 11:09 PM

R76, we know all that. What we are discussing is how these specific new "restrictions' are affecting potential voters. Stay focused.

For some reason a lot of these replies are missing eg all replies from R77 through R80 and R82 and more upthread.

And I have very few people blocked.

by Anonymousreply 85October 27, 2021 12:34 AM

How are the coat hanger abortions faring over there, by the way?

by Anonymousreply 86October 27, 2021 1:51 AM

Georgia AGAIN

[quote] New Georgia election law bars voters from applying for a mail-in ballot online - instead they have to print out a form and sign by hand

--need to have access to a computer

--and a printer

--and an envelope

--and a stamp

...TO APPLY...

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by Anonymousreply 87October 29, 2021 7:25 PM

I feel like these laws really only bother people who want exploit loopholes in the system. I don’t think Democrats en masse want to commit election fraud, but I do think they want certain avenues open to aid in them getting away with it.

by Anonymousreply 88October 29, 2021 7:32 PM

I think you're wrong, R88.

by Anonymousreply 89October 29, 2021 7:34 PM

Where's Hollywood's call to stop doing business with Texas? They were all up in arms to stop doing business with Georgia when Georgia's new voting laws aren't as severe as the new laws in Texas. And Hollywood celebrities are still moving to Austin. That's right, Hollywood liberals are all talk and no action. Bullshit artists.

by Anonymousreply 90October 29, 2021 7:38 PM

It's called moral convenience, R90.

by Anonymousreply 91October 29, 2021 7:39 PM

R89 Unfortunately we live in a country full of people who will exploit loopholes in the law, if not outright break the law, in order to get what they want. That’s why more security is necessary.

by Anonymousreply 92October 29, 2021 7:41 PM

Republicans know they can't win legally so they make it legal to break the law so they can win. They're the American Nazi party.

by Anonymousreply 93October 29, 2021 7:47 PM

Security for whom, R52?

I will never support any action which strips access and necessary support for the most vulnerable to favor more comfort of the already advantaged.

"Means tests", like these election "security" laws, are designed to hurt people who have the misfortune of having misfortune. I would rather accidentally feed 3 people who do not need assistance than let one who does starve. To argue on behalf of discrimination is to support collateral damage as a necessary evil for one thing and, more importantly, assert that privilege deserves to be protected.

I find both of those reprehensible in general and especially from a caucus who claims to follow the teachings of religion which aims to help the needy. If you are really, genuinely worried about security then put time and energy into the cross checks, the supports and/or the backend certifications and fucking stop doing everything possible to intimidate or incapacitate legal voters.

by Anonymousreply 94October 29, 2021 7:54 PM

Florida

[quote] Three University of Florida professors have been barred from assisting plaintiffs in a lawsuit to overturn the state’s new law restricting voting rights, lawyers said in a federal court filing in Friday. The ban is an extraordinary limit on speech that raises questions of academic freedom and First Amendment rights.

[quote] University officials told the three that because the school was a state institution, participating in a lawsuit against the state “is adverse to U.F.’s interests” and could not be permitted. In their filing, the professors sought to question Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, on whether he was involved in the decision.

[quote] Leading experts on academic freedom said they knew of no similar restrictions on professors’ speech and testimony and said the action was probably unconstitutional.

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by Anonymousreply 95October 30, 2021 1:52 AM

[Quote] I feel like these laws really only bother people who want exploit loopholes in the system.

These laws are made to bother poor, most often Black, voters.

by Anonymousreply 96October 30, 2021 11:03 PM

R96 I don't think so, but for the sake of argument let's say they are. In order for me to find these policies unjust you'll have to show me how Black voters or poor voters are uniquely incapable of adhering to them. I would argue life in many ways is harder for poor people, and we know there's been a history of discriminatory policies towards Black people, but that's not a Joker in a deck of cards that you play when there's a law you don't like, passed by a party you don't like.

Methinks Democrats are using the Have Nots because they have no other good reason for opposing these laws. Because they get a lot of votes from the "poor, most often Black, voters".

by Anonymousreply 97October 31, 2021 3:28 AM

While I look for the information you have requested, R97, please explain why Gov. DeathSentence is blocking expert witnesses in the lawsuit wherein these issues are to be hashed out.

If it truly is about fighting "loopholes" why not let it be adjudicated freely?

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by Anonymousreply 98October 31, 2021 3:39 AM

[quote] Methinks Democrats are using the Have Nots because they have no other good reason for opposing these laws. Because they get a lot of votes from the "poor, most often Black, voters".

Moreover, if this is your logic then isn't the converse more apropos? Wouldn't the LOSERS be much more motivated to stifle votes against them than the Democrats to put inordinate effort into securing those votes? Are you honestly claiming that Democrats are lying to win bigger and Republicans are telling the truth to ward off some amorphous, potentially ominous threat for their anticipated future majority?

by Anonymousreply 99October 31, 2021 3:48 AM

[quote] In order for me to find these policies unjust you'll have to show me how Black voters or poor voters are uniquely incapable of adhering to them.

Let's start here, shall we:

[quote] The Electoral College has overruled the will of the people in two of the last five presidential elections. The structural imbalance of the U.S. Senate, combined with the filibuster, gives white, rural states virtual veto power over change that many Americans desire and demand. Indeed, many of the cities and states where police injustice and systemic racism runs deepest have been at the forefront of these aggressive voter suppression techniques.

[quote] The tens of thousands of Georgians whose voting precincts were closed, forcing them to endure six-hour lines to vote during a pandemic would like a word with him Roberts’s calamitous ignorance has done grievous damage.

[quote] gerrymandered legislatures and their judicial enablers have empowered the angriest and most hateful elements of the shrinking GOP base, and locked them into office nationwide, even when they win fewer votes.

[quote] gerrymandering schemes in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Wisconsin and other closely divided states intentionally pack minority voters into as few districts as possible, maximizing the power of suburban whites and rural conservatives — diluting votes in Detroit, Philadelphia, Charlotte, Austin, San Antonio, Atlanta, and Milwaukee — and locking in GOP control of state legislatures ....more than 59 million Americans live in a state where the party whose legislative candidates won fewer votes in 2018 nevertheless won control of one or both chambers of the legislature anyway.

[quote] 33 million Americans have been purged from the voter rolls between 2014 and 2018...The purge rate is as much as 40 percent higher in states that have a demonstrated history of racial voting discrimination. Wisconsin purges 14 percent of its voters between 2016 and 2018 — nearly double the national average. Voters in black neighborhoods were nearly twice as likely to be kicked off the rolls as those in white suburbs. ... in 2018, Georgia secretary of state Brian Kemp ran for governor while simultaneously looking to purge some 300,000 voters from the rolls and pausing an additional 53,000 registrations. Nearly 80 percent of those paused were blacks and other minorities.

[quote] ... hundreds of precinct closures and relocations in Georgia increased the average distance between voters’ homes and the polls, preventing an estimated 54,000 to 85,000 voters from casting a ballot in 2018 — and making it 20 percent more likely for black voters to miss the election

[quote] ...states enact draconian voter ID bills, such as one in North Carolina that a federal court ruled looked to “surgically” target black voters by researching and then requiring the specific ID they were least likely to have. It is not enough in Alabama, where legislators toughened its voter ID bill and limited the acceptable forms of identification — then shuttered nearly three dozen DMV offices in 8 of the ten Alabama counties with the highest percentage of non-white voters.

[quote] in Wisconsin where DMV offices in the run-up to the 2016 election sometimes openly defied a court order to supply photo IDs after that state’s gerrymandered legislature added strict new ID requirements that a federal court found may have disenfranchised as many as 300,000 citizens. Donald Trump carried the state by fewer than 25,000 votes.

[quote] Republicans responded to the election of Barack Obama in 2008 not by trying to broaden their own base or appeal to a changing nation, but by modernizing voter suppression tactics out of the old Jim Crow playbook.

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by Anonymousreply 100October 31, 2021 4:22 AM

[Quote] I don't think so, but for the sake of argument let's say they are. In order for me to find these policies unjust you'll have to show me how Black voters or poor voters are uniquely incapable of adhering to them.

After Obama was elected, the South made big election changes, claiming the vote needed to be safer. Lo and behold, once Biden won, they have another round of election changes to make the vote safer.

They specifically looked at how minorities vote and tried to cancel those things: limiting pre-election day voting, canceling Sunday voting (Blacks go as a church congregation to vote together, voter IDs that blacks don’t tend to have (Gun Licenses are okay—80% are white; college ID’s are not—50% are minority; state assistance cards are not—tend to be minorities); and remember the whole “no one can bring food or water to those waiting in voting lines”? Who had 11 hour waits? Those in minority districts because polling stations are severely limited. Even DMV’s we’re suspiciously closed to minority neighborhoods so they have to travel farther and longer to get an ID.

Blacks can overcomes these hurdles, but they were made hurdles specifically to discourage the black vote. It happens during Jim Crow (using the same “we need to keep the ballots safe” excuse), and it’s happening again now.

by Anonymousreply 101October 31, 2021 5:09 AM

With little to no fraud cases documented, interesting how they are fine with preventing thousands of people from voting all in the name of “safe ballot boxes”?

They purged the voter rolls of anyone with something even minutely wrong on their registration. They doubled down on ex-felons not being able to ever vote (Started during Jim Crow to prevent blacks from voting. Also increased the number of crimes that were felonies.). If someone votes in the incorrect precinct, that vote is destroyed and the person is not notified to vote in the correct district. Districts are gerrymandered to dilute the minority vote.

This is all voter suppression because a political party which is seeing its supporters get older and die is desperate to hang on to power

by Anonymousreply 102October 31, 2021 5:15 AM
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