Christians made Islam Homophobic

So are we cancelling the rooftop throwing or not?!

Christians didn't write the Bible

That’s the British Empire. Buggers who made the world hate buggery.

R2 Well, the New Testament they did.

[quote]And as for the two of you men who are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. And if they repent and improve, then let them be. Lo! Allah is Merciful.

Islamic societies may have tolerated homosexual [italic]behaviour[/italic] as it was seen as preferable to sexual intercourse between a man and a woman outside of marriage, but the above quote from the Qur'an(4:16) makes it clear that Islam was far from accepting of it, let alone willing to recognise a gay identity.

And while laws criminalising gay sex in some countries may have their origin in colonial legislation, there was certainly no need to import homophobia from elsewhere. Indeed emphatic and more explicit opposition to homosexuality was sometimes a reaction to developments in the West.

More revisionist shit! So tell me, what's worse? Hating gays or fucking children? Because Mohamad first set his eyes upon his favorite wife when she was 6 (SIX) and consummated the relationship when she was 9 (NINE) .

I have this gut feeling that Mo hated homos as much as he loved children!

More Muslim apologists. Great.

Nevertheless, the countries that punish being gay with Death are all Muslim theocracies except 1 which is 50% muslim population.

So, is some of this all part of the justification for the whole dancing boys of Afghanistan behavior?

r4 all the authors of the New Testament were Jews who considered Jesus to be the messiah as prophesied in the Old Testament.

There's nothing in the New Testament about homosexuality. Only in the Old Testament, which predates Christianity.

Also, OP don't go to the UK and say that homosexuality is approved by Allah, and that, by extansion, gay Muslims are also made in Allah's image.

That was tried by a Canadian right winger a few years ago, and for her trouble, she was permanently banned from the country for the rest of her life.

Nice try OP. Male homosexaulity throughout the entire history of Islam are always punishable by death. The only "disagreement" among different Islamic school of thoughts are the methods of the execution itself ; old fashioned stoning , throwing from towers or cliff ( just like ISIS ) or burning alive. Even today not a single mainstream Muslims sects distant themselves from this particular opinion. Even Muslim scholars living the west will spin this into some kind of a complicated mental gymnastics but they will never disagree with it.

The so called "homosexuality" practiced during Islamic Golden Age and numerous Islamic Kingdoms are not gay sex per se but more about pederasty or pedophilia. Which is why it is still rampant in many muslims societies today.

While British Empire can be somewhat blamed for introducing sodomy laws to many nations the suggestion that Islamic world was some kind of gay-friendly utopia just lazy and retarded.

This is not true. Islam has always had hate for gays and women.

What kind of fuckery...

R9, so the first Christians, the first to recognize Jesus as the Messiah or anointed one, or Christ. But if you insist on being a pendant, Christians certainly edited rewrote the Bible during various translations.

Pedant* lol. You may hang if you wish I suppose

Who the fuck cares how it got that way? We care what it's like now.

"Boo hoo, all the bad parts of Islam are because of those mean Christians, waaah." STFU, apologist. Go attend a Pride parade in Kabul. Or die in a grease fire -- whichever one would get you killed soonest.

[quote] British Empire can be somewhat blamed for introducing sodomy laws to many nations

The British simply codified long established cultural taboos.

[quote]The so called "homosexuality" practiced during Islamic Golden Age and numerous Islamic Kingdoms are not gay sex per se but more about pederasty or pedophilia.

Much of Islamic art depicting anal intercourse displays the dominant Muslim ass fucking the Infidel, symbolizing Islam's dominance.

[quote]all the authors of the New Testament were Jews

R9 Sorry to derail your bigoted cunt "it's those fucking Jews' fault", but the Xtian Bible was written, extrapolated, propogated and interpreted by Xtians.

[quote]Only in the Old Testament, which predates Christianity. R10 There's nothing in the Jewish Bible about homosexuality either.

I’m confused aren’t the Xtians from Scientology?

I thought Xitian was a prefecture-level city in central China.

The history of same-sex, erotic relationships is varied across the board. Until the eighteenth century in England, France and the Netherlands, sex was structured around age and not gender, so you had older men having sex with both women and younger men. This is also true in 15th century Florence where they established a special office to regulate male prostitution. The binary of a heterosexual majority and a homosexual minority in the West developed after 1700, according to some historians, alongside the gradual growth of equality between men and women. Don't get me wrong. "Sodomy" was censured by Christianity and other social strictures in the West before 1700, but same-sex, erotic relationships were often tacitly tolerated (think James VI/I and Buckingham; Louis XIII and his male lovers; Henri III and his mignons) or ignored until they threatened the social, patriarchal order.

5 page paper due on Friday

Blowjobs and mutual JO is ok, actual buttfucking is not.

Been with a lot them.

I've had Persians, Pakistani, Afgans, Azeri, Lebanese, and Armenian (yes I know they're Christian, just decided to include them too)

[quote]but same-sex, erotic relationships were often tacitly tolerated

R21 Tolerated because those who engaged in it wielded immense power. Your average 16th century shlub was put to death for homosexual behavior.

R18, you meant to post it like this, right?

[quote]Only in the Old Testament, which predates Christianity.

[R10] There's nothing in the Jewish Bible about homosexuality either.

I concur.

All religions suck except for the Satanists, who are doing the work in fighting the religious BS.

How many of you respondents at R1, R6, R7, R10, R11, and R13 even bothered to read the article at OP's link?

Homosexuality is punishable by death in the Old Testament too. So let’s stop pretending Judaism and Christianity are somehow blameless for how gays are treated

R27 No, it isn't. So let's stop pretending you have a fucking clue in Hell what is written in the Jewish Bible.

[Quote] There's nothing in the Jewish Bible about homosexuality either.

Only if you disregard the entire Old Testament

And yet Ultra Orthodox Jews detest gays and worked hard to prevent equality for gays

More trying to shift blame away from Christianity to other religions.

Muslims hate Jews! (yet, historically, the majority of killings of Jews have been by Christians)

Muslims hate gays! (Yet, historically all the laws and mass actions against Gays have been by Christians)

Here we go again - blaming the British Empire and colonialism for current barbaric treatment.

The Ottoman Empire had control until its fall after WW1. So what are we talking about - a period of maybe 50 years of influence?

This article is specious at best. A lot of finger pointing and jumping to conclusions to support his idea that it was the Brits' fault.

Hot garbage.

R29 Same response to you as R28.

R30 What are "ultra orthodox" Jews exactly? Other than your complete ignorance.

R31 Homosexuality is a crime and social taboo in 56 Muslim countries. Muslims are at the forefront of preventing the advancement of gay rights in international forums.

[Quote] Islam has always had hate for gays and women.

Islam is no worse than the other Judeo-Christian religions. In fact, Islam, in its teachings, gives women equality to women.

It is the year 2021.

If Islam is homophobic, it's because it wants to be.

R34 And then there's reality. Women and their children are their husband's property in Muslim societies.

[quote]Homosexuality is punishable by death in the Old Testament too.

R27, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 aren't particularly clear. There's not any record of Jews putting homosexuals to death throughout history. Most of the hoopla in that regard has been Christians of the second millennia and particularly the present day, where conservatives have turned the issue into a culture war since around 1946.

[quote]Only if you disregard the entire Old Testament

R29, that's funny. But if you think that the entire Jewish testament weighs in on same-sex relations, you've got a reading comprehension problem.

R33, the Ultra orthodox, particularly the Hassids. Bibi cut a power deal with them and thus there is no gay marriage in Israel and gays have been excluded from other equality laws, such as the surrogacy law. It was the ultra orthodox who is responsible for the killings at the Tel Aviv Gay Pride Parades.

R33 homosexuality is a social taboo in plenty of Christian countries. It’s also basically illegal in many Christian-majority Eastern Bloc and African countries.

Because they pretend to be liberal democracies, they thus create laws that claim to shield children from gays but in fact are abused to be held against all gays

[Quote] Women and their children are their husband's property in Muslim societies.

And you think it’s different in western countries

[Quote] If Islam is homophobic, it's because it wants to be.

Like the Catholic Church, most Protestant churches, Mormon church, and on and on and on

[Quote] blaming the British Empire and colonialism for current barbaric treatment.

The British went in, raped numerous countries of there wealth, installed their draconian laws, had influence all over the world——and you just expect everyone to “just get over it”?

R41 and R40 List the Muslim countries where you feel you would have the same rights as a gay man in the US.

Thanks in advance.

R38 R39 R40 Yeah, yeah, you keep bringing up the same irrelevant nonsense as some kind of parity. It's not. And you turn a blind eye to the freedoms/legal protections that gays have in the West, including Israel. Freedoms and protections that do not exist in 56 Muslim countries.

Jews were a great scapegoat until after the Holocaust were everyone was so horrified that they decided to give Jews a break.

Blacks became a great scapegoat especially when they demanded civil rights. We saw the horrors inflicted on them and decided to give them a break.

Then the next obvious group to scapegoat are gays.

Gays in Israel cannot adopt/surrogate = OMG those evil Jews are so homophobic and backward #pinkwashing

10 Muslim countries where homosexuality still punishable by death = HOW ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS ?

[quote] Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 aren't particularly clear.

R37 They are crystal clear to anyone who can read and understand Hebrew. We've had this conversation. Several times.

R42 - you gloss over that many Middle Eastern countries were part of the Ottoman Empire for CENTURIES before the brief time the British were there.

You act like it was all peace and nobody had any war or conquering nations - but history is FULL of it.

To focus on a short period of time that the British occupied the Middle East is just ignorant.

The reason the Middle East is a shithole is because of the wealthy that use Islam to keep everyone down. That's just a fact.

[Quote] And you turn a blind eye to the freedoms/legal protections that gays have in the West, including Israel. Freedoms and protections that do not exist in 56 Muslim countries.

I absolutely agree the levels of equity are unequal but that does not absolve the West one iota.

When gays are still being killed, beaten up, deprived of their rights, equality is in name only. Russia has legalized gay sex but they are still demonized to the point that it doesn’t matter what laws are on the books. When Uganda recently considered the death penalty for gays, let’s not pretend gay will reach any level of equality there.

If Islam is to blame for how gays are treated in those countries, we must blame Christianity for how gays are treated in the others.

R49 List the Muslim countries where you feel you would have the same rights as a gay man in the US.

Thanks in advance.

[quote] Gays in Israel cannot adopt/surrogate = OMG those evil Jews are so homophobic and backward #pinkwashing

Gays are Equal in Israel…but gays can’t marry, gays can’t use surrogates.

I’m not saying the Israeli government is evil. It is a liar, however

R49 Still seeking parity where there is none. Uganda is not indicative of the vast majority of Xtian countries vis-a-vis gay treatment. But ALL Muslim countries are indicative of gay treament.

Does it matter that all these other religions and sects are anti gay? We know they are but the article was trying to blame those pesky colonising Christians for making Islam anti gay, which blatantly isn't true. Or even if it is doesn't excuse "death by stoning" laws enacted in the last decade.

I don't think there's a mainstream Islamic group (as opposed that supports gay rights. Most of the "gay muslim" groups I've seen advise celibacy and prayer.

Various Christian and Muslim societies have at various times looked the other way or tacitly accepted homosexual "behaviour". However as modern gay rights advanced in the West, many Muslim countries tightened their anti gay laws in reaction to it.

That doesn't excuse other non Muslim majority countries who have also done it but doesn't let Brunei off the hook either.

I don't think that any religion that has relied on "go forth and multiply" is going to have a historically harmonious attitude to gay relationships (unless it's wink wink gay sex in the army when their wives aren't around).

[Quote] List the Muslim countries where you feel you would have the same rights as a gay man in the US. Thanks in advance.

How good are rights on the books when you’ve been strung up on a fence to die?

[Quote] List the Muslim countries where you feel you would have the same rights as a gay man in the US. Thanks in advance.

Apples and Oranges. The US isnt a Christian country

R55 List the Muslim countries where you feel you would have the same rights as a gay man in the US.

Thanks in advance.

It’s not just in the past, though. Evangelicals are pushing other countries to be anti-gay in current times. They campaigned hard for - and influenced - the criminalization of homosexuality in Uganda, for example.

R54 R57 Ignoring reality doesn't somehow make your point. Gays enjoy legal protection and freedom in Xtian countries. Gays enjoy neither freedom nor protection in Muslim countries.

[Quote] However as modern gay rights advanced in the West, many Muslim countries tightened their anti gay laws in reaction to it.

Absolutely agree. Whenever a group demands equality publicly and forcefully, the first backlash is to tighten rules. This happened across Judeo-Christian religions. It’s when Western countries dissociated themselves from Christianity as a basis for laws that they loosened their laws

R58

Uganda is a Christian country, stupid.

R58, Turkey and Albania are Muslim countries with liberal attitudes towards gays

[quote]The US isnt a Christian country

Yes it is. Otherwise, everyone would be celebrating Ramadan and Eid.

It’s American Christians rushing off to places like Russia, Uganda, other Eastern Bloc and African countries to try to convince them to execute gays for being gay.

Yes, Christians are pushing this radical agenda.

r61 Turkey is considered to be the most "progressive" among all Muslim countries. Yet gays enjoy much greater freedom and rights in Tulsa than in Istanbul.

[quote]Turkey and Albania are Muslim countries with liberal attitudes towards gays

No, they most certainly are not. Decriminalization is not "liberal", especially when homosexuality remains abhorrent.

R63 And the fact still remains that gays enjoy freedoms and protection unheard of in Muslim countries. Keep that in mind as you flail around for nonsensical parity.

[Quote] Yes it is. Otherwise, everyone would be celebrating Ramadan and Eid.

Yes, Jesus demanded we go broke buying presents and trample and kill people foe a bargain while we’re doing it.

Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity.

Hi, Matt.

[Quote] No, they most certainly are not. Decriminalization is not "liberal", especially when homosexuality remains abhorrent.

Homosexuality remains abhorrent throughout much of the west. Stop kidding yourself. That’s why gays are the victims of the highest reported number of hate crimes.

R66 A billion Xtians would not agree with you.

R68

Actually, black people make the highest number of hate crime victims in the US.

[quote]They are crystal clear to anyone who can read and understand Hebrew. We've had this conversation. Several times. —Stick with the Xtian Bible. You'll look less like a complete idiot.

R47/Matt, it's true that you've kept trolling that position (among others), but without ever supporting it.

My statement stands.

[quote]Homosexuality remains abhorrent throughout much of the west.

And yet those laws etc. that would not exist if it were truly abhorrent. Such as in Muslim countries.

R65 so make up your mind— decriminalization isn’t good enough but the supposed loving embracing attitude for gays is what you’re pretending all the West had?

Again, Africa and the Eastern Europe don’t at all, and they are Christian

[Quote] And yet those laws etc. that would not exist if it were truly abhorrent.

Except the laws do exist in the West, Uganda, Russia, Hungary are just but a few egregious examples

R73 Decriminalization is meaningless when anyone can be ostracized from society, murdered by their family for being gay.

R70, you are correct, Anti gay hate crimes are second in the US

R71 Your belief in "Matt" is on par with your belief in your knowledge of the Jewish Bible.

[Quote] A billion Xtians would not agree with you.

There aren’t a billion Christians in the US and the conversation is about the US being a Christian country

[quote]List the Muslim countries where you feel you would have the same rights as a gay man in the US. Thanks in advance.

Andrea/R43/R50/R56, that demand is moving the goalposts, and is irrelevant to what's being argued here. So you can stop spamming the thread with it.

R74 Both Russia and Hungary have laws protecting gays. You continued exaggeration illustrates desperation, not knowledge.

R23, your average "shlub" (as you term him) in the 16th/17th centuries was more often than to tolerated by his neighbors for his same-sex erotic activities. Bed sharing was the norm and what happened between men there was, as I said, either ignored or tacitly tolerated. In 17th century England there was only one big trial for sodomy -- the Earl of Castlehaven for inducing his servants to rape his wife and daughter-in-law and committing sodomy with one of those servants. Only one case of sodomy prosecution in 16th century England.

r17 "Sorry to derail your bigoted cunt "it's those fucking Jews' fault", but the Xtian Bible was written, extrapolated, propogated and interpreted by Xtians."

LOL you fucking lying cunt. Jews wrote both the Old Testament and the New Testament and that is a historical fact. Paul even says in the New Testament how super Jewish he is. It's also funny how you call me bigoted yet you can't even type out "Christians", you have to type "Xtians" because you are so full of hatred towards a group- making you a bigot yourself.

All three Abrahamic religions- Judaism, Christianity and Islam- consider homosexuality a sexual sin, along with a myriad of other things like adultery, incest etc.

I avoid anyone who's religion is the primary definition of most of their behavior. Organized religion is usually used just as a stick to make people behave or an excuse for bad behavior.

Anything that prevented the expansion of the population or disrupted the peace of society was forbidden in a life that was "nasty, brutish, and short." So naturally, homosexuality (a sexual act that did not result in children), adultery (which disrupted peaceful relations between people), incest (which resulted in unhealthy children) would be forbidden, ie, sins.

R82 Paul was a convert to Xtianity. So were the subsequent authors of the Xtian Bible. It was those fucking XTIANS fault.

And speaking of complete idiot, X is the first letter of Christ's name in Greek. It was/is used by those who did not want to take his name in vain. I use it because it's shorter to type. Bigot!

[quote]All three Abrahamic religions- Judaism, Christianity and Islam- consider homosexuality a sexual sin,

R82 No matter how many times you ignorantly insist that they do, Jews don't.

R86 Ben Shapiro is a Jew, and is completely against homosexuality. All Abrahamic religions are homophobic. You are a total idiot to not know this.

[quote]Jews wrote both the Old Testament and the New Testament and that is a historical fact.

R82, you're confusing the 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 from the narrative of the New Testament with its anonymous 𝑎𝑢𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑟𝑠. They are not the same thing.

[quote]Paul even says in the New Testament how super Jewish he is.

Well, 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑏𝑜𝑑𝑦 made that claim, not necessarily 'Paul.' Would that be the 'Paul' who taught that Christians should not observe Jewish laws, or the 'Paul' who justified all of his teachings by citing the Jewish testament? Something doesn't gel there.

Below is a link to a book you should check out.

[quote]It's also funny how you call me bigoted yet you can't even type out "Christians", you have to type "Xtians" because you are so full of hatred towards a group- making you a bigot yourself.

'Xtian' is not an insult, but a sign of respect used in Christian texts, where the Chi-Rho symbol (☧) was used in place of 'Christ.' That is its historical context. It's not anything to get upset over, unless you're deliberately trolling and being offended is part of your imposture.

r85 They were Jewish culturally and ethnically, Jewish-Christians. They wanted to convince Jews FIRST that Jesus was the messiah, most Jews rejected it, so they spread the message to the Gentiles. I am not saying "it's the Jews fault", that's a strawman you created so you can lie and shift the blame to Christians.

Well, Christians, Muslims & Jews alike all made Pagans dead (or near enough), so in my eyes they’re all the same evil.

And who forced them to stick with this and scheme and enhance it for 163 years?

Half of Afghan men think homosex is fine as long as it's with an under 20 year old they can kill off after a while because it was the kids who seduced them into this sin in the first place.

This is false.

Occasional reprieves, cultural acceptance of using boys as sex objects in some Muslim countries or poets here and there do not mean that Islam was ever pro-gay.

Islam has been virulently anti-gay from the beginning and preached the same prophets and commandments against homosexuality that the Jews and the Christians did.

If the Christians made them gay, it was only because they converted the Middle East first and Islam was created by copying the tenets of Christianity. That was in the 600s, not 1800s.

Most Muslim countries have always had laws against homosexuality with imprisonment or death as the punishment, including stoning to death like the Bible commands.

The demonisation in this world of the animist and of the female has led to all the pain and suffering we see today.

It's similar to the hypocrite far right Christians who constantly cover it up when one of theirs was caught kiddie fiddling. Except in western countries we hold them responsible, in Islam it's the victim's fault.

Gay men LOVE Islam!

Just like how gays loved Nazism.

[quote] Go attend a Pride parade in Kabul.

Forget about Kabul, you can't even attend one in Amman. Islam hates gays so much, even moderate Muslim countries reject gay rights. They tried to have a pride parade in Amman recently and the populace shot it down OP is a moron

[quote] Women and their children are their husband's property in Muslim societies.

[quote] And you think it’s different in western countries

Oh my God, STFU! You're actually too stupid to be reasoned with. You know nothing about the laws against female autonomy and female child custody rights in Muslim countries, so be quiet.

[quote] No matter how many times you ignorantly insist that they do, Jews don't.

What a lie.

Just like in Christianity, the ultra orthodox Heredi and Hassids detest gays.

How Orthodox Judaism sees LGBTQ:

"Orthodox policies related to LGBTQ inclusion are grounded in the Torah and subsequent rabbinic teachings, which prohibit sexual relationships between individuals of same gender, and base gender roles on birth biology. Sex between men and particularly anal intercourse is deemed a violation of biblical weight. Lesbian relations are not mentioned in the Bible and are prohibited explicitly only by later rabbinic authorities."

[quote] Oh my God, STFU! You're actually too stupid to be reasoned with. You know nothing about the laws against female autonomy and female child custody rights in Muslim countries, so be quiet.

Broad Brush.

You're talking about countries with right wing Muslim governments. Turkey and Albania do not have such laws, for example.

The problem is the right wing, not just Islam. Any country with a right wing government will push these sorts of laws.

In the US, whenever the right wing has power, we start seeing a limiting of women's and LGBT rights. GWB pushed for an anti-gay marriage amendment and was fine with DADT. We have just see Texas pass its draconian anti abortion law.

[quote] Go attend a Pride parade in Kabul.

How ironic. Every year conservatives in the US have a debate about whether the Pride Parades should be allowed because they are so pornographic (which they are absolutely not)

As a reminder, gay sex only became legal in the US 20 years ago. Let's stop pretending we're light years ahead of the world on this.

Uh. ^

When I hear about all the "rights" gays apparently have in the US, those rights were only codified in the last two decades. We are in no position to lecture to the rest of the world about gay rights.

No we only “lecture” Christian but spread for Muslims.

R107, we lecture Christians because that's our religion and we want it to stop being hypocritical.

Will my yelling at Islam suddenly make it love and accept gays? Only those from within can do that and there are many Muslim gays who are.

The "Christian countries" troll is mixing up religion with a country who has many of that religion.

The US is a secular country based on Greco-Roman governmental ideology that has many Christians in it.

That doesn't make the US a Christian country. It's the same with most of Western Europe.

[quote]Will my yelling at Islam suddenly make it love and accept gays? Only those from within can do that and there are many Muslim gays who are.

God, gays suck the fucking ASS of Muslims! Jesus Christ, what is about??? Are you in love? Are you turned on? Do you believe these men will fuck you?

My god, all these religions SUCK for gays. THEY ALL HATE GAYS, ALL OF THEM!

Stop pretending one is somehow better than the other.

The reason gays have more rights in the US than Saudi Arabia is because the US is a liberal Democracy, and Saudi Arabia is a theological autocracy. THAT'S IT.

[quote]How ironic. Every year conservatives in the US have a debate about whether the Pride Parades should be allowed because they are so pornographic

How ironic. Datalounge does the same thing!

[quote] God, gays suck the fucking ASS of Muslims! Jesus Christ, what is about??? Are you in love? Are you turned on? Do you believe these men will fuck you?

I hope Putin doesn't pay you for that post because it's just lazy

[quote]I hope Putin doesn't pay you for that post because it's just lazy

This is the only fucking response on this shit site. It is a Bizarro rightwing cesspool of conspiracy theory loons who see Putin everywhere.

R115, you doth protest too much

[quote]Women and their children are their husband's property in Muslim societies.

It's true R99

[quote]you doth protest too much

K.

[Quote] Both Russia and Hungary have laws protecting gays. You continued exaggeration illustrates desperation, not knowledge.

Yes, because they are pretending to be democracies. How exactly are these laws enforced when gays are bludgeoned and arrested. They’re not. Instead, these countries use the laws ostensibly about protecting kids to arrest gays en masse

R117, actually it’s not. Islam’s grants more rights to women than either Christianity or Judaism. Right wing Muslims of course twist or ignore those parts of the Koran just like right wing Christians twist and ignore many parts of the Bible

What's with the RABID Jew-hater who brought out Judaism every single time she replied?

r121 she's M. Duh!

R122, "M" is R47, R77, etc.

He's using a replacement sock after having been blocked by the admins as [ 𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗹𝗹 𝟱𝟴𝟱𝟰 ] in threads like the one linked below (@R197 in that thread):

r123 I didn't want to say its name but it starts with an M and ends with a T. Correct?

How about we all just compromise and say, ‘exported sand-person death-cults made the world homophobic’? The end.

Moses made Islam homophobic.

Give me a break.

[quote]Moses made Islam homophobic.

How, R126?

The texts attributed to "Moses" don't say anything about homosexuality.

It looks like *some* Muslims liked the gay sex.

So M is posting Jew hatred but claims to be Jewish himself and often posts zionist tirades?

There’s no organized religion that supports homosexuality. There’s varying degrees of tolerance, but most of them condemn gays and lesbians.

R130 - I wonder why that is? Why didn't they think instead, "oh this harmless male on male sex will keep them happy until they get married" or something like that.

R131, in ancient times, when life was nasty, brutish, and short, one of the roles of religion was to promote social cohesion and the reproductive momentum of the tribe. Anything that disrupted social cohesion and did not benefit the tribe in terms of reproduction - like homosexuality - was deemed immoral.

[quote]There’s no organized religion that supports homosexuality. There’s varying degrees of tolerance, but most of them condemn gays and lesbians.

R130, in what manner do you define "organized religion" that somehow excludes Reform Judaism, Metropolitan Community Church, United Churches of Christ, etc.? Or the past religious communities in which same-sex couples somehow flourished, revering same-sex saints (Sergius & Bacchus, etc)? Minority groups to be sure, but they nonetheless existed.