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Wow, NYC is truly ugly

Since Covid, I’ve left NYC and live with my partner in the suburbs.

We went into the city and it looked so ugly.

Granted, it’s still trying to recover from the pandemic, it’s a gloomy day, and most people have left for the three day weekend, so there was no city energy to get you through.

There was trash everywhere. The buildings are dirty. Construction is never ending. The streets have only been fixed piecemeal.

Such a hideous city

by Anonymousreply 161September 15, 2021 5:09 PM

Well, you voted for di Blasio, OP. What did you expect?

by Anonymousreply 1September 5, 2021 11:17 PM

R1, I actually don’t blame di Blasio. Funding for the city has been cut drastically, particularly from the federal government. The last GOP tax law was a wholesale theft of money from big blue cities to red rural states

by Anonymousreply 2September 5, 2021 11:21 PM

The real eyesore left when you retreated to the suburbs with your tail between your legs.

by Anonymousreply 3September 5, 2021 11:21 PM

Let the door knob hit you and your bullshit on the way out of town, R1.

Sic him, Patience and Fortitude!

by Anonymousreply 4September 5, 2021 11:27 PM

Thanks! I'm headed there on Wednesday. First visit in 4 years. Can't wait.

by Anonymousreply 5September 5, 2021 11:27 PM

This is a dumb post. Trash? Dirty buildings?

All that existed before covid. No one who really lived in NY would be scandalized by that.

by Anonymousreply 6September 5, 2021 11:27 PM

The sky was so gray that day.

by Anonymousreply 7September 6, 2021 12:02 AM

Where is this lovely suburb? It can’t be anywhere on Long Island.

by Anonymousreply 8September 6, 2021 12:54 AM

NYC has always been ugly. Non-matching buildings—really old and dirty right next to shiny and bright.

The people are what make NYC

by Anonymousreply 9September 6, 2021 1:12 AM

[Quote] This is a dumb post. Trash? Dirty buildings? All that existed before covid. No one who really lived in NY would be scandalized by that.

I never see this kind of trash everywhere in Europe and Asian cities

by Anonymousreply 10September 6, 2021 1:12 AM

R10 see R9.

by Anonymousreply 11September 6, 2021 1:16 AM

It's a city that's been going for 200+ years. Retreat to your poorly built, poorly planned, fast & cheap suburbs.

by Anonymousreply 12September 6, 2021 1:18 AM

OP = Donald J. Trump

by Anonymousreply 13September 6, 2021 1:19 AM

R10 Maybe not in Japan or SK but the SE Asian cities are plenty dirty. London and Paris have their fair share of filth and litter. What's with all the people pretending NYC is uniquely filthy.

by Anonymousreply 14September 6, 2021 1:21 AM


by Anonymousreply 15September 6, 2021 1:54 AM

NYC might be ugly, but living in the suburbs is nothing to brag about. How humiliating for you.

by Anonymousreply 16September 6, 2021 6:44 AM

I've only been to NYC once but it was definitely a very dirty and trash-strewn city. Even in comparison to London I thought it was dirty. It's still amazing, and there are some iconic buildings, but I could never live there.

by Anonymousreply 17September 6, 2021 9:27 AM

Zurich looks lovely these days.

by Anonymousreply 18September 6, 2021 9:32 AM

Yes, London is much tidier, and the subways much cleaner. Also there are fewer deranged people roaming the platforms, ready to push one over onto the third rail.

by Anonymousreply 19September 6, 2021 9:33 AM

I enjoy visiting NYC, but I couldn’t live there. So much trash, too crowded, too many rats, too many crappy old buildings, and just too harsh

by Anonymousreply 20September 6, 2021 9:39 AM

It’s a shit box.

by Anonymousreply 21September 6, 2021 9:40 AM

Manhattan is awful.

I did like Brooklyn.

by Anonymousreply 22September 6, 2021 9:47 AM

New York, like most major metropolises, is indeed ugly. Rome and Paris are rare exceptions to this trend.

by Anonymousreply 23September 6, 2021 9:49 AM

Paris is horrible away from the tourist areas. There are whole cities of shanty towns under the autoroute where it looks like people have been living for 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 24September 6, 2021 10:00 AM

I've tried a few random places on Google Earth and all of NYC seems 2019. A few places in the UK have updated and it's very obvious when it's post-Covid.

by Anonymousreply 25September 6, 2021 10:53 AM

[quote]There was trash everywhere. The buildings are dirty. Construction is never ending. The streets have only been fixed piecemeal.

This describes every city.

by Anonymousreply 26September 6, 2021 10:59 AM

No it doesn't. European cities are cleaner. All of them. And Europe's architecture and civic planning are superior as well.

by Anonymousreply 27September 6, 2021 11:34 AM

Bloomberg kept the city cleaner and better managed, and without "woke" bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 28September 6, 2021 12:55 PM

OP, are you sure you're not in Atlanta?

by Anonymousreply 29September 6, 2021 1:38 PM

I've lived in NYC all my life. I'm an elder, and things have become much worse since the lockdown. It's much dirtier, I think because so many small businesses have closed and there is nobody to maintain the sidewalks. If just to sweep in front of a store. The sheds built out into the streets to augment the income of restaurants have minimized the amount of space for cars. Constant traffic jams and screaming horns. Nice way to eat. It can only get better. When- who knows?

by Anonymousreply 30September 6, 2021 2:20 PM

Brooklyn is not as dense as Manhattan, which works better for some people r22.

by Anonymousreply 31September 6, 2021 4:02 PM

European cities are much older yet much cleaner. London even has a similar population size but is cleaner.

Chinese cities are stunning and far more advanced looking than NYC . NYC sits squarely as the 20th century’s greatest city, while Shanghai will be the 21st century’s greatest.

by Anonymousreply 32September 6, 2021 10:34 PM

NYC has definitely not come back from the pandemic. It’s so business centered that until workers return to their offices, the whole city looks oddly empty.

It’s the current emptiness of the city the magnifies how actually ugly and disorganized looking it really is

by Anonymousreply 33September 6, 2021 10:35 PM

I lived in NY in some different eras. As well as other cities around the world. New York was fantastic in the 80s. It was the quintessential mix of high glamor, chic, power, lux, and fun and grit and sleaze and misery.

NYC is far from ugly and Manhattan is exceptional for its DENSE, soaring grid, which is extremely elegant if somewhat pure and chilly urban design.

by Anonymousreply 34September 6, 2021 10:42 PM

That doing away with bail wasn’t a help.

by Anonymousreply 35September 6, 2021 10:44 PM

Poor trolls, alone at home with no holiday cookout invitations.

by Anonymousreply 36September 6, 2021 10:44 PM

Do us a favor and don’t come back to our ugly city.

by Anonymousreply 37September 6, 2021 10:58 PM

[Quote]London even has a similar population size but is cleaner.

London is very different actually. London has a comparable population....in twice the amount of land. It's not nearly as dense as New York.

by Anonymousreply 38September 7, 2021 3:06 AM

Well it's not Florence or Vienna but I wouldn't describe New York City as ugly. The only places I find truly ugly are crowded suburban sprawl areas with nothing but strip malls, no sidewalks, and endless highways.

by Anonymousreply 39September 7, 2021 3:14 AM

Most disagree

by Anonymousreply 40September 7, 2021 3:38 AM

NYC was more exciting and mysterious when it was X-rated in the 1970s. I would rather visit the NYC depicted in Cruising and Midnight Cowboy than the fake Disneyland it is today.

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by Anonymousreply 41September 7, 2021 3:46 AM

Most people aren’t seeking to live in a pornographic cesspool

by Anonymousreply 42September 7, 2021 4:00 AM

London is definitely cleaner than NYC.

by Anonymousreply 43September 7, 2021 4:25 AM

Really now, gurls — as a tourist you don’t visit NYC to marvel at its “street hygiene”, do you now?

You take in the sights, visit iconic places featured in films, series, and on album covers. You enjoy the plethora of excellent restaurants with cuisines from all over the world. You play chess in one of the parks, take the ferries, visit the ghetto amusement park (Coney Island), and so on.

The museums are excellent, especially the nature history museum at Central Park, the Guggenheim.. The people are in-your-face, but they quickly meet their equal in a Dutchman…

It’s fun going on a date with an American, noticing the cultural resemblances but also the vast differences. Wearing “European-length” shorts will immediately mark you, but that can have its upsides, too.

The Central Park, the Cloisters, and the Botanical Gardens in Brooklyn are wonderful oases in a bustling city.

I had a blast and didn’t mind the dirt and graffiti, you’re not visiting an open air museum. Make sure you don’t spend every day in Manhattan, because that place really wears you down.

Mind you, I was fortunate enough to stay at a friend’s apartment in Brooklyn (Cobble Hill, for those in the know) which was blissfully quiet and it saved me hundreds of euros.

My only point of critique would be the third-world metro system. Those perilous narrow platforms tilted towards the tracks are something else, and I didn’t much like the people on the subway.

by Anonymousreply 44September 7, 2021 9:46 AM

[quote]I had a blast and didn’t mind the dirt and graffiti,

Have you visited NYC this century, R44? Where is this graffiti of which you speak? I haven't seen such defacement in decades. Your comments seem to rely on dated 1970s stereotypes ("...The people are in-your-face, but they quickly meet their equal in a Dutchman...") tough guy.

Laughing at you, not with you. Do catch up, 2021 awaits you.

by Anonymousreply 45September 7, 2021 2:19 PM

What is city energy? Just a ton of annoying people?

by Anonymousreply 46September 7, 2021 2:23 PM

Hadn’t been to New York in nearly two years because of the pandemic and, I have to agree, I was pretty shocked at how dingy it looked when I went back last month.

Granted August has never been the city’s most appealing month but what is with the custom of leaving full garbage bags loose on the street? Everywhere we went, we were dodging huge piles of trash, and the number of rats we saw even in the daytime was unusual.

by Anonymousreply 47September 7, 2021 2:23 PM

R45, I feel sorry for you and I wish you well.

by Anonymousreply 48September 7, 2021 2:31 PM

For many years, this Souther homosexual loved nothing better than to fly up and spend a long weekend in the city. I had my favorite hotel, favorite museums, restaurants and shops to visit and so many good friends that I would see. I hadn't been up since covid and it was really sad to see the city in the condition its in now. Yes, its always been dirty and the people a little short. But, now it just seems to be running on life support. I really hope it recovers it's energy. I have so many great past memories and I want to start some new ones in the big apple.

by Anonymousreply 49September 7, 2021 2:33 PM

The energy of there being a ton of people walking the streets and lots of activity around you r46. If you get accustomed to that most places seem pretty dull and boring.

by Anonymousreply 50September 7, 2021 2:49 PM

R48: Save your pity for yourself, old man.


by Anonymousreply 51September 7, 2021 3:23 PM

New York (Manhattan at least) doesn't have alleyways to put trash r47, so bags go on the sidewalk for trash collection.

by Anonymousreply 52September 7, 2021 3:27 PM

R52 That always grosses me out about NYC, the mounds of putrifying trash bags sans bins. Then residents wonder why they have a rat and roach problem in the city. What an astounding lack of common sense.

by Anonymousreply 53September 7, 2021 3:46 PM

R52, but why not at least put the bags in cans with lids? That would take up the same amount of sidewalk space (less, probably, because it’s contained) and help deter rodents.

by Anonymousreply 54September 7, 2021 3:52 PM

Covered garbage cans were used for garbage collection and disposal in the past (remember Sonny Corleone beating his brother-in-law with the garbage can lid?) along with now-banned incinerators.

Today, cans alone cannot accommodate the demand; at least ten cans, one for each current black bag, would be required to cover an average apartment building. Ditto for restaurants and small businesses. A Herculean task, to say nothing of having to sanitize the garbage cans and provide storage space for them.

The Sanitation Dept. hauls the bags away in a timely manner, generally; however, with the pandemic all bets are off.

by Anonymousreply 55September 7, 2021 6:34 PM

Sounds nasty smh

by Anonymousreply 56September 7, 2021 6:52 PM

Kudos to the poster who managed to work in a swipe at WOKE things somehow.

by Anonymousreply 57September 7, 2021 6:56 PM

[quote][R1], I actually don’t blame di Blasio. Funding for the city has been cut drastically, particularly from the federal government. The last GOP tax law was a wholesale theft of money from big blue cities to red rural states

Words cannot express how this infuriates me. And we are held hostage by these assholes who have power over our money. I will never forget fucking McConnell telling NYC to go bankrupt. Excuse me, asshole? It's OUR money that keeps your leeching state from shriveling up and dying. Who the fuck are you to tell us to go bankrupt when if we do, where the fuck would you get your money from, you parasitic, conservative leech?

by Anonymousreply 58September 7, 2021 6:58 PM

I so so so wish all the posters on the DL who chime in on how they visited NYC and hated it would just simply stay away and never ever ever come back. We'd all be so much happier.

by Anonymousreply 59September 7, 2021 7:01 PM

I loved it for 34 years, but have no regrets leaving. Michael Bloomberg sold out the city to his rich friends. It will never recover.

by Anonymousreply 60September 7, 2021 7:07 PM

Not my kind of place

by Anonymousreply 61September 7, 2021 7:10 PM

Wherever R61 lives is not MY kind of place.

by Anonymousreply 62September 7, 2021 7:11 PM

R62: That's Mr. L. Abner of Dogpatch, U.S.A. providing erudite commentary at R61.

by Anonymousreply 63September 7, 2021 8:54 PM

R55 This is why NYC is devolving, with too many people accepting subpar public policies without question or accountability. A literal “shrug, what can we do?” mentality, very third world indeed. Other major US cities (which also suffer from parking and space constraints) require dumpsters on casters that the building manager brings out to the curb on collection day. Once emptied by the trash company, it’s wheeled back to an appropriate storage space. Many buildings have areas for the dumpster behind the building, or in the parking structure or will build a niche or alcove just for the dumpster. It isn’t impossible.

by Anonymousreply 64September 7, 2021 9:08 PM

How nice the city looks is almost completely a factor of how much the federal govt will give it. NYC is the engine of the US, sending gob of tax money to the federal government. The federal government, held hostage by the GOP, will only give NYC a minimum back.

They want us all to blame NY's Dem Gov and NYC's Dem Mayor, when it actuality, it's the stinginess of the GOP leading to NYC deficits. London is far cleaner than NYC because it's national government gives it enough money to keep clean.

by Anonymousreply 65September 7, 2021 9:09 PM

[quote] Once emptied by the trash company, it’s wheeled back to an appropriate storage space.

Without alley ways, the "appropriate storage space" is right in front of the buildings.

by Anonymousreply 66September 7, 2021 9:10 PM

R46 Only certain cities have city energy. Perhaps you have to live in one to understand what it is. Cities that exude city energy are NYC, San Francisco, Chicago, Seattle, etc. City energy is when you open your front door to go outside, and you can't decide which direction to go in because there are things happening and buzzing in every direction. They are cities where even if you have nothing in particular to do, you can just open your door and go outside, in every direction, and there is something to see, or hear, or smell or taste, or feel.

by Anonymousreply 67September 7, 2021 9:11 PM

R64 - most US cities are built around parking. Have you ever BEEN to a US city? Basically all of them, except for NYC, Boston, DC and Philly, are giant malls where superhighways connect shopping malls connect parking lots connect big box stores connect suburbs.

by Anonymousreply 68September 7, 2021 9:11 PM

R68, NYC is a giant mall too

by Anonymousreply 69September 7, 2021 9:17 PM

Not according to 99% of the DL who whine incessantly about how it's a crime-ridden hellscape that is, at the same time, crowded and expensive? This doesn't sound like a mall. You are thinking Nashville or St. Louis. You know, NICE cities.

by Anonymousreply 70September 7, 2021 9:27 PM

[Quote]Many buildings have areas for the dumpster behind the building, or in the parking structure or will build a niche or alcove just for the dumpster.

Have you ever been to Manhattan r64? You don't seem to understand how much more dense and urban it is than other places in America. This space that exists in other cities does not exist in Manhattan. A dumpster behind a building?! Oh dear.

The sidewalks are the only space. Now whether you could construct big bins along the sidewalk is another question, but there is no other space.

by Anonymousreply 71September 7, 2021 9:28 PM

Parts of Manhattan are like a mall. I moved away 7 years ago, but even then the SoHo area was a giant mall for the bridge and tunnel crowd. All chain stores down Lafayette. Midtown around the Macys also a mall like area.

by Anonymousreply 72September 8, 2021 9:49 PM

What are the cleanest cities in the U.S., DL-ers?

by Anonymousreply 73September 8, 2021 10:08 PM

[quote]What are the cleanest cities in the U.S., DL-ers?

The ones that are the least "diverse".

by Anonymousreply 74September 8, 2021 10:11 PM

[quote]I so so so wish all the posters on the DL who chime in on how they visited NYC and hated it would just simply stay away and never ever ever come back. We'd all be so much happier.

[quote]The real eyesore left when you retreated to the suburbs with your tail between your legs.

[quote]Let the door knob hit you and your bullshit on the way out of town

FFS, if NYC is so brilliant and above criticism of any sort about anything, you should be able to laugh the stuff off. Instead you sound like the "USA Number One!" assholes who bristle at the least hint of criticism. I suppose you saved France's pussy ass in WWII, too?

by Anonymousreply 75September 8, 2021 10:22 PM

No interest in returning. Lived there, loved it for a while. But it is gross to me now. Most of the big cities in the US have gone to hell. Prefer my slower paced but oh so beautiful beach town life.

by Anonymousreply 76September 8, 2021 10:24 PM

I love living in NYC. Not going anywhere. Enjoy the suburbs OP. A lot of us still love it here. Different strokes.

by Anonymousreply 77September 8, 2021 10:27 PM

It's not that it's above criticism. Fuck, no one criticizes New York more than New Yorkers.

But the constant pot shots from Stanley from the Suburbs is just tiring.

Maybe OP and R75 and other NYC-hating cunts can tell us where they live so we can all tell you what a tedious shithole you live in.

by Anonymousreply 78September 8, 2021 11:02 PM

Hey, bitch R75, there isn't a damned thing to laugh-off when my neighbors are drowning and their homes being destroyed by flood waters. My anger has no bounds, so it is best that I put your syphilitic cunt on ignore and be done with you.

On behalf of my fellow New Yorkers: Adios, motherfucker, fuck you and the tractor you rode your corn-holed ass in on!

by Anonymousreply 79September 9, 2021 12:01 AM

OP and r1 probably live in some hellhole in West Virginia

by Anonymousreply 80September 9, 2021 12:04 AM

I’m an NYC lifer and have no desire to go anywhere else. However, I’ve never seen it look worse than it does now. The construction is truly out of control, with scaffolding and sidewalk sheds blighting entire neighborhoods. The outdoor dining sheds, while crucial and sometimes enjoyable, have made for eyesores everywhere. And all the closings have left stretches of empty storefronts, which the higher-than-ever homeless population is happy to utilize. It’s okay to admit that things are bad right now. It’s how we work to make it better.

by Anonymousreply 81September 9, 2021 12:44 AM

I really do want the homeless gone. I'm tired of them being so fucking aggressive and just everywhere. I hate DiBlasio so much. We need a crack down on the homeless. I don't feel sorry for most of them.

by Anonymousreply 82September 9, 2021 3:43 AM

[quote]Maybe OP and [R75] and other NYC-hating cunts can tell us where they live so we can all tell you what a tedious shithole you live in.

I don't hate NYC at all. And I think OP's post is a bit ridiculous, to feign shock at the recent appearance of the place and to be so smug in his righteousness of his move to the suburbs with his partner., away from "such a hideous city." R81, on the other hand, without ever saying as much shows his love of the city but his sense of hope, certainty even, that the city will come out of its slump — a slump, as others have noted, that's seen in cities everywhere Covid has hit. Everything is a bit shit right now, everywhere.

And R79, enough with the pity-whoring. Save the high drama for an audience more appreciative of your righteous, boundless anger (at flood waters? or just because you bristle hysterically at any critique measured or not?)

NYC is a splendid fucking city and doesn't really need or benefit from those who would say No, it's not dirty; homelessness isn't a problem; stretches of empty storefronts and plywood sheds filling up the sidewalks shanty-town-like are not eyesores. It doesn't need me to like it (eve n if I do, and hope better for it.) It doesn't need you to defend it. Every citizen is not a hero. You don't get a badge of immunity from criticism because you live in NYC, no more than you do in Dubuque or Berne or Paris. Hopefully you're happy enough there to smirk and think "idiot" when someone fundamentally misunderstands your city or takes a cheap shot. NYC especially has a reputation for taking criticism as water takes to a duck's back, impervious, unbothered, confident in its own footing in the world.

by Anonymousreply 83September 9, 2021 10:41 AM

Don’t be so serious dude

by Anonymousreply 84September 9, 2021 12:15 PM

It would just be a refreshing change if the crazy cunts of the DL found a new city to rage against. Maybe Jacksonville. Or Lincoln, NE.

by Anonymousreply 85September 9, 2021 1:30 PM

Evidently NYC is filled with frail crybabies and easily-wounded egos? Maybe NYC has changed.

No one picks on Jacksonville or Lincoln, NE because it's too easy, like punching a child in the face to demonstrate your fighting prowess.

And it's not as though New Yorkers are content with their own lot in life unless they are pissing on flyovers, Eurotrash, newcomers, whomever.

And who the is "raging" against NYC? Some people said it was dirty.

by Anonymousreply 86September 9, 2021 1:55 PM

[quote] like punching a child in the face to demonstrate your fighting prowess.

I find it’s the only way they learn.

by Anonymousreply 87September 9, 2021 2:08 PM

Drowned rats!

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by Anonymousreply 88September 9, 2021 2:10 PM

[quote]Where is this graffiti of which you speak? I haven't seen such defacement in decades.

Ride the 7 in Queens. And that's not me complaining, I actually view it as a sign of normal life at this point.

by Anonymousreply 89September 9, 2021 2:16 PM

RATS on the westside, BEDBUGS uptown. this town is shattered!

by Anonymousreply 90September 9, 2021 2:20 PM

I've lived in NYC for a long time and I have never noticed anyone "pissing on flyovers, Eurotrash, newcomers, whomever." We don't spend a lot of time thinking about you.

What I *have noticed is tourists trying to act like tough guys right off the bat, as if they assume that being polite is showing weakness.

So many tourists have DEMANDED directions from me. It's really something.

by Anonymousreply 91September 9, 2021 2:39 PM

R89 - Yep, and I’ve also seen a good deal of graffiti in the Bronx, Harlem and Bowery.

But hey.. what do we know?

by Anonymousreply 92September 9, 2021 2:54 PM

I got tired of bashing SFO.

by Anonymousreply 93September 9, 2021 3:03 PM

R88, then Ida did one good thing.

by Anonymousreply 94September 9, 2021 4:06 PM

I don't know how people live in NYC - rent is insane and I would assume that one must rent because flats are going to quickly cost over a million dollars. Food prices are high but at least you get a lot of food for your money. Is there even a group for me to fit in with? I wouldn't know what kind of jobs are available for a wannabe slacker. My best friends in college were New Yorkers but that was over 2 decades ago and they all moved to Georgia

by Anonymousreply 95September 9, 2021 4:15 PM

I still love it. To each his own, OP. I'm glad you're happier where you are now.

by Anonymousreply 96September 9, 2021 4:22 PM

If you are a college educated professional there is a robust job market with high paying jobs r95. It's still tough, roommates are common. Living alone is a luxury

by Anonymousreply 97September 9, 2021 4:24 PM

[quote] Is there even a group for me to fit in with?

Since you used the term ‘flats’ I’m going to assume you have an accent. So, come sit by me. We’ll fit you in.

by Anonymousreply 98September 9, 2021 4:35 PM

r82 people like you are a mystery to me. You think being a homeowner gives you the right to go into a public space and not see poverty? You're delusion and your entitlement makes me physically sick. What would you like to see done to the homeless people? Killed? Sent to prison camps?

by Anonymousreply 99September 9, 2021 4:40 PM

Where do you live R95?

by Anonymousreply 100September 9, 2021 4:52 PM

I’ve only been to NYC once. Decades ago. I remember thinking it was dirty and that the people were amazingly friendly. The food was so expensive I felt like I was being asked to pay in a currency exchange system I didn’t understand because what I had just eaten couldn’t possibly cost what they were telling me it did.

Other than that, my lasting memory is expecting attitude and hostility and getting compliments and friendliness. I shopped so easily it was amazing. I found wonderful things everywhere I looked.

But I still feel intimidated by it. Its reputation precedes it and I’m old enough now that it really does seem that I’m better suited to rusticating in Nowheresville, Oregon, even though the town has no cache, no style, and a truly depressing preponderance of Nice Church-going People, every single one of them white. It’s easy to park here. Rah.

by Anonymousreply 101September 9, 2021 4:55 PM

R99, I've given money to homeless organizations. This isn't merely about seeing poverty. This is about aggressive people on the streets who literally come up to you and get in your face. I don't want that from anyone, so WTF would I make an exception for homeless people? I don't want them killed, but the fact is that they are being given far more leeway than those of us who do work and pay. That isn't right. This mayor isn't trying to solve the problem, he is enabling it and has made it far worse. You don't give deranged people free rein. You get them off the streets. Some do in fact belong in jail.

I find that most people like you live in ivory towers. You have no fucking idea what I've witnessed in my own life living here and so you act like you know how I think.

by Anonymousreply 102September 9, 2021 5:07 PM

That all makes sense, R101. New York City is not always a nice place to visit, but can be a great place to live. It's overwhelming and intimidating to a visitor.

Once you know your way around and are acclimated to it, things really can open up for you. That's when you find out what a treasure trove it could be. Not so much today, but in the past. Everything could be found there. "More for 10 cents and less for 10 dollars than any place else in the world" is how I once heard it put. Now, so much has moved online. It's noticeable in a place like NYC.

it's also true that in NYC, people are friendly, but not courteous. When I go to California, I find them to be courteous, but not friendly.

by Anonymousreply 103September 9, 2021 5:11 PM

R102 I can't walk from my car to the front door of Safeway without being asked for change. You think you're the only one who has to talk to homeless people. I don't know why you're so delicate. The homeless people have a right to be there and hateful whitebread jerkoffs like you just have to deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 104September 9, 2021 5:14 PM

[quote]So many tourists have DEMANDED directions from me. It's really something.

That's all tourists everywhere. I get this attitude in San Francisco all the time. Overall, tourists a fine, I thank them for spending their dollars in the city, but a few I'd like to kick in the cunt.

by Anonymousreply 105September 9, 2021 5:19 PM

R104, I am not talking about merely asking for change. Safeway? So you don't live in NYC. They are AGGRESSIVE. Of course I've given money countless times to homeless people who've asked.

We are talking a whole other level of aggression these days. You clearly haven't experienced it if you think I'm talking about the usual "spare a dollar?" homeless person.

by Anonymousreply 106September 9, 2021 5:49 PM

R102 you’re one of those people that think homeless people ‘have it easy’. How stupid do you have to be to get to that place in your life?

by Anonymousreply 107September 9, 2021 6:04 PM

[Quote] Idon't know why you're so delicate. The homeless people have a right to be there and hateful whitebread jerkoffs like you just have to deal with it.

Homelessness is an indicator of a cruel and crumbling society. Your attempt at 'wokeness' reflects acceptance of and adaptation to injustice. You ain't woke, gurl. You're the problem.

by Anonymousreply 108September 9, 2021 8:39 PM

The construction is constant and the scaffolding hideous (although the new white pillars are a vast improvement).

I know lots of construction means a healthy city, but it's everywhere, all the time. It looks awful

by Anonymousreply 109September 9, 2021 9:05 PM

R108 probably thinks the solution to homelessness is to murder homeless people

I wonder how many people in your West Virginia hometown are unemployed and living in poverty?

by Anonymousreply 110September 9, 2021 9:07 PM

R88 I wonder if it got rid of any cockroaches?

by Anonymousreply 111September 10, 2021 12:29 AM

Kinda like Moscow circa 1970, eh REDS? Enjoy it. You caused it. But at least that scary orange man is gone.

by Anonymousreply 112September 10, 2021 12:35 AM

If only these people trolling in NY could keep people away 😔.

The market is back with a vengeance, demand is high and cheaper prices are gone.

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by Anonymousreply 113September 10, 2021 1:51 PM

These landlords are getting rich. Who else their wildest dreams. Even the small and pop 10 unit types are making a fortune.

So much so that they all have a new problem. They have nowhere to put their cash. They can’t buy more real estate because they’re being priced out by the hedgelords.

They literally have nowhere to invest their (our) money.

by Anonymousreply 114September 10, 2021 1:58 PM

I'm sure they'll all complain to the NY Post about how Socialist DeBlasio is fucking things up for them somehow. Rents could be HIGHER? Cops could legally kill homeless people? Black people and immigrants are still allowed to exist?

by Anonymousreply 115September 10, 2021 2:05 PM

Yes NYC looks shitty nowadays. Maybe because of people being out of work, NYC isn’t getting any taxes

by Anonymousreply 116September 11, 2021 1:55 AM

Rich people are leaving for low tax states

by Anonymousreply 117September 11, 2021 3:22 PM

Low tax states are full of poorly educated hillbillies. I don't know of any world-class city in a low tax state.

Rich people may leave NYC but they are heading to other desirable places that all have higher taxes. No one with money is going to leave NYC to be surrounded by anitvaxxer idiots.

by Anonymousreply 118September 11, 2021 4:06 PM

Plenty of wealthy people are moving to FL, TX, and AZ, including Trump

by Anonymousreply 119September 11, 2021 4:07 PM

And yet, the city's population grew on the census. Despite every attempt by Trump to get it undercounted.

by Anonymousreply 120September 11, 2021 4:15 PM

It grew by a lot too r120. Everyone wants to talk shit about NY but the city keeps trucking on well.

by Anonymousreply 121September 11, 2021 4:25 PM

Yes, that shocked me.

by Anonymousreply 122September 11, 2021 4:38 PM

New York has been down before but on this Sept 11th, I want to remember those that we lost and raise a toast to the amazing strength, resolve and unity that I saw in NYC starting that fateful day. All shit talking aside, don't fuck with NYC.

by Anonymousreply 123September 12, 2021 4:53 AM

A thought it got a lot of press, there wasnt a significant of wealthy who left NY, at least not permanently.

Really, they’re going to to happy on Alabama?

by Anonymousreply 124September 12, 2021 12:40 PM

NYC gained 800k and that was including during the pandemic

by Anonymousreply 125September 12, 2021 12:41 PM

[quote]All shit talking aside, don't fuck with NYC.

Don't fuck with 8.5 million people all having PTSD at the exact same time. That's my recollection of life in NYC in the months after 9/11.

First the attack on the WTC. Then the anthrax letters being delivered all around the country. And then on November 12, Flight 587 taking off from JFK and immediately crashing into a residential area of the Rockaways. That freaked the fuck out of people.

It was all too much to bear. You couldn't say 'Good morning' to a person without them breaking into tears. It was a terribly difficult time.

by Anonymousreply 126September 12, 2021 12:51 PM

the city probably hasn't changed since you left. A place always looks different when you go back. When you live somewhere you become immune to things like trash everywhere. You also see far more danger in the place after you leave than when you live there.

by Anonymousreply 127September 12, 2021 12:51 PM

I distinctly remember a sign posted in lower Manhattan that read,

“Mr. President, you don’t have to send troops over there. Just send over 8 million pissed off New Yorkers.”

by Anonymousreply 128September 12, 2021 12:53 PM

R24, you haven’t lived if you haven’t sampled some of the finest Parisian cock in a shanty shack!

by Anonymousreply 129September 12, 2021 12:54 PM

Oh, R129. I bet the taste is... well, unforgettable.

by Anonymousreply 130September 12, 2021 12:57 PM


by Anonymousreply 131September 12, 2021 1:05 PM

As one of those NYC "rich people" most of the people I know just moved to their weekend house--Hamptons, Hudson Valley, Berkshires.

A few more, usually people with kids who'd been considering the suburbs anyway, went ahead and moved.

Know one person who moved to Austin, they are under 4 and got a job there.

Two people who moved to Florida, but they are of retirement age and likely would have wound up there at some point anyway, maybe not full time ("snowbirds")

by Anonymousreply 132September 12, 2021 1:14 PM

^^under 40, lol

by Anonymousreply 133September 12, 2021 1:14 PM

[quote] they are under 4 and got a job there.

What an ambitious child!

by Anonymousreply 134September 12, 2021 1:22 PM

The last year we lived in NYC (2017) I lived in a doorman building off Union Sq. and had lived there 20 years. I applaud the hearty NY’ers that love the city but it is so NOT the city I fell in love with in 1997. I worked in Chelsea in the aughts and it was such a gay Mecca before Google completely obliterated 8th Ave. I came to NYC the summer of 2001from Boston with just $300 and there’s no way a newcomer could pull that off nowadays. I worked in the West Village for a decade and watched gorgeous little stores literally evaporate from rent hikes- replaced by Coach and Juicy Couture and affordable places like Manatu’s disappear. They quintupled the rent and my shop closed and I found work on 5th & 57th.

There are veins of talent, fashion, and culture that have been bled dry or nonexistent. There is no affordable place to eat. Even the outskirts of the city like Astoria have taken off, so you must commute further to get a deal, shack up with lots of roommates, or hope for the best and win a housing lottery.

I say all this but if I wasn’t happily married with a husband that whisked me off to Tampa, like a frog slowly being boiled alive in a kettle, like all those other New Yorkers-

I’d still be fighting to make it work.

by Anonymousreply 135September 12, 2021 4:40 PM

Astoria isn't the outskirts.

by Anonymousreply 136September 12, 2021 4:57 PM

Even JFK is a dump compared to European airports. Flying in and taking a look around is a hint at what lies ahead.

by Anonymousreply 137September 12, 2021 5:31 PM

A huge problem is the lack of a viable bathhouse in NYC

by Anonymousreply 138September 12, 2021 6:35 PM

With all the box stores flooding in under Bloomberg, NYC lost a huge special chunk of its character.

I can go to a Banana Republic anywhere. Why bother going to NYC to go to one?

by Anonymousreply 139September 12, 2021 6:36 PM

Under diblasio, New York IS a Banana Republic.

by Anonymousreply 140September 12, 2021 6:42 PM

R54, Theft. They wouldn't last a New York minute.

by Anonymousreply 141September 12, 2021 6:48 PM

[quote]It's not that it's above criticism. Fuck, no one criticizes New York more than New Yorkers. But the constant pot shots from Stanley from the Suburbs is just tiring. Maybe OP and [R75] and other NYC-hating cunts can tell us where they live so we can all tell you what a tedious shithole you live in.

Some of the most delightful contradictions I've ever seen in one delusion.

by Anonymousreply 142September 12, 2021 6:56 PM

R136, Astoria is (a handful of subway stops) closer to 57th & 5th than NYC’s Harlem.

by Anonymousreply 143September 12, 2021 7:58 PM

Heh r135 is clearly someone who hardly left Manhattan so Queens seems like a foreign land. Astoria is right across the river from Manhattan, we aren't talking Forest Hills or something.

by Anonymousreply 144September 13, 2021 12:34 AM

When film companies shoot in Toronto making that city stand in for NYC because of tax breaks and other ways of saving money, they bring in litter trash and dirt to make it look like NYC. Problem is, Toronto keep cleaning up the carefully dirtified locations and have to be politely told to so and that it was actually a film set.

by Anonymousreply 145September 13, 2021 11:48 AM

There's a few storage lots in Toronto with fleets of yellow taxis and NYPD cop cars. It's kinda funny to drive by.

by Anonymousreply 146September 13, 2021 1:48 PM

Just got back from NYC. Lived there in the 70s, have many friends and family members there, and have visited since the 80s. I've never seen the city look cleaner, happier, or more cared for. Husband was impressed as well. Subways were clean. Streets were bedecked with city-maintained plantings. Restaurants require vax cards. Only down note were the hordes of frat-style young people whose parents have bought them places so they can have the NYC experience parents never did. Those people clogged certain areas. The women and men are stylish and beautiful. I saw many fewer ugly fat Americans in teeshirts and flipflops. (Yes, too many yoga pants and rich women showing off their toned bodies.) All in all, if it weren't for the long plane ride and expense, I'd do the trip much more often. OP must have been hanging out in Times Square or at Penn Station.

by Anonymousreply 147September 14, 2021 3:13 PM

[Quote]saw many fewer ugly fat Americans in teeshirts and flipflops

Honestly one of the main differences you notice walking around NY compared to most of America r147. People in NY are not as fat.

by Anonymousreply 148September 14, 2021 3:54 PM

R147, when you compare NYC now to the 1970, it’s spic and span. When you compare it to two years ago, it looks pretty downtrodden

by Anonymousreply 149September 15, 2021 2:00 AM

[quote] NY compared to most of America [R147]. People in NY are not as fat.

NY also has style. I first noticed that when i visited Chicago. Now mind you I love Chicago and I love Midwestern men.

by Anonymousreply 150September 15, 2021 6:10 AM

[quote] it’s spic and span.

Oh, I’ve got my eye on you, buddy.

by Anonymousreply 151September 15, 2021 11:16 AM

R150 that’s always struck me as a thing New Yorkers say about themselves that’s not really so true anymore. What with the rise in athleisure everyone looks like shit everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 152September 15, 2021 11:31 AM

I actually hate NYC and think it’s a nasty place full of either rich egotistical assholes or poor, dirty foreigners (not a lot of middle classers) But if I was forced to live in the suburbs like you, I’d put a bullet right in my skull and brain.

by Anonymousreply 153September 15, 2021 11:32 AM

The NYC suburbs are gorgeous. The minute you move there, you realize how idiotic it was to live in crazy, ugly NYC where everything is a fight.

by Anonymousreply 154September 15, 2021 2:16 PM

It depends r154. If you work in the city then commuting can take a lot of time in your life.

Also if you care about nightlife/dating, it can be limiting being in the burbs rather than the city.

If you are at the stage of your life where you don't care about nightlife/dating, well those people often do move to the burbs.

by Anonymousreply 155September 15, 2021 2:29 PM

It's lovely, I had a mother who lived there once.

by Anonymousreply 156September 15, 2021 2:34 PM

If you don’t need the energy of a city, the suburbs are for you.

by Anonymousreply 157September 15, 2021 4:04 PM

The suburbs are great once you’re 60. Before that, you’re really limiting yourself. Limiting jobs, relationships, leisure time, and enjoyment of the arts. The suburbs are the place to comfortably wait to die.

by Anonymousreply 158September 15, 2021 4:11 PM

[Quote]the reason why nyc doesn’t use dumpsters is because when mayor Giuliani came into office he did everything in his power to dismantle the private sanitation industry because it was ran by certain Italians who he didn’t very much care for. So while he was attacking the smaller private sanitation companies he decided that the dumpsters that where kept on the curb were considering unsanitary and an eyesore, so he passed a law saying that no dumpster can be stored anywhere that’s visible from the street and they would either need to be stored in a closed pen or indoors.

Somebody upthread was wondering why apt buildings don't use dumpsters and I found this answer on Quora. So Giuliani decided mounds of garbage bags were a better look than a couple dumpsters.

by Anonymousreply 159September 15, 2021 4:14 PM

Giuliani was the worst thing that ever happened to NY.

by Anonymousreply 160September 15, 2021 4:16 PM

Gays mainly move to the suburbs when they're partnered and have kids.

I do know a few single gays who moved--they wanted a more peaceful, bucolic home.

One guy said he felt the singles scene in NYC was a hamster wheel--same thing over and over but you think you're getting somewhere. Within 6 months of living outside NYC, he found a partner out there. There are definitely fewer gays in the suburbs but they seem more relationship minded.

by Anonymousreply 161September 15, 2021 5:09 PM
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