Is this country becoming ungovernable?

I recommend you dip into Howard Zinn's "People's History of the United States." America has always been like this. It's just never been this nakedly out in the open before.

American democracy is extraordinarily flexible and resilient and the best American presidents have managed to do everything they needed within the system, good and bad. Only a malignantly narcissistic constitutional illiterate like Trump would feel the need to declare himself dictator.

Move to another country, Op.

Thanks. I have that book, haven't read it yet.

OP, we beg your pardon. We never promised you a fucking rose garden. And BTW, aside from leaving posts on this sorry board, what are you DOING about all this... schlub?

There's no need to be insulting.

Of course there is. This is DL.

The only reason things seem so out of control is that Repugs are never held responsible for any of the actions or crimes. The DoJ needs to hurry the fuck up and start indicting and arresting these motherfuckers. If they wait much longer, it's all going to get lost in the 2022 election cycle and the talking heads in the media will endlessly announce how it's all political theater on the Democrat's part.

You'd think something like a pandemic would bring out the best in people but the opposite is true.

OP clearly slept through history.....

The next war will unite us for a while.

Imagine an alien invasion. The old story goes that it would bring all humanity together in the face of an outside enemy. Sure. At this point, the Repugs would welcome their new overlords (ooh, I just had the word "Almiqui" flash through my brain when I wrote that. Old DLers will understand.) and start pumping themselves full of whatever concoction the aliens told them to slurp up and then start inserting their own probes while yelling 'Freedum!".

Howard Zinn is a leftist propagandist. Only someone that doesn't know history falls for his bullshit.

r12 I'd love some examples of Howard Zinn telling blatant lies to serve an ideology.

r11 is too stupid to realize he just described the democrats and the covid "vaccine". Liberal "logic" at its finest.

You don't need Howard Zinn, to recognize the many times we've had stark divisions in this country. The right wing troll is an idiot and reminder of one of those times: McCarthyism.

You forgot to add Antifa and BLM to your list OP.

I think people in general are becoming ungovernable, it’s just very noticeable in the US. Something like QAnon is scary because it makes you realize what a large chunk of the population are batshit and will believe any outlandish lies tossed their way. Add that to the people who are less insane but who choose willful ignorance and denial of science and you’ve got a problem. The Internet is a wonder but it’s been a great tool for propagandists to undermine democracy and for loons to hook up with each other like never before. Voters won’t make rational decisions, and you’ll end up with more radicals in positions of power.

R16 I don't think anti-fascism and asserting the worth of black people are threatening our country's future. I do think the Republican Party, as currently constituted, is..

The radicals seem fringe until they come for you.

The United States has become too overpopulated, too unwieldy to successfully administer. With little understanding of how the rest of the world survives, Americans take so much for granted, are ignorant to indifferent to contemptuous of their history and all that they have, have abrogated or lost the ability to look further than their own nose/needs, are neither interested much less invested in anything that passes for social cohesion. This is evident from the increased social anarchy, the woeful lack of leaders/leadership, and what should be most alarming, the cultural imperative to scapegoat others for social dysfunction and ills.

The best thing America can do to save itself is to break up into more manageable entities, which, if nothing else, will re-establish the social cohesion necessary for future existence, as well as greatly increase the administrative abilities for greater quality of life for all.

[quote] The best thing America can do to save itself is to break up into more manageable entities, which, if nothing else, will re-establish the social cohesion necessary for future existence, as well as greatly increase the administrative abilities for greater quality of life for all.

YES PLEASE. No more red states.

You liberals are ruining it. Look at this site, people get attacked, put online and this site won't let you discuss it. But heaven forbid George Floyd who was a criminal in a criminal act being hit that is fine?

Biden is worse that Carter and way worse than Trump. Seriously what did Trump do to gays? Nothing. Blacks refused to vote for your Pete because he was gay, and that is fine with everyone, including every gay on this site. Talk about a bunch of blind self-hating individuals.

You gays still get a disease that is 100% preventable yet you bitch about others? Until you come even a tiny bit of the way to solving your own issues, shut the fuck up.

We all know what the problem is, you don't take responsibility for yourself. To be a victim or Democrat is what you desire, because it's not your fault.

Well news for you, right is right no matter how many times AOC says it's wrong.

And you forgot to mention BLM, white gay wokes, white wokes, LTBTQ, OP.

I agree with everything you, R22, but how is Biden worse than Carter?

You *said

R22 go fuck yourself. Piss off dickwad.

Says R14 while sucking on his horse dewormer.

It is indeed a mess. Don’t know what a feasible solution could be.

Pass the gasoline

R13, there are numerous sources is one chooses to look.

R13, this is pretty well written and covers a lot of detail.