Miss Marple - Already old a hundred years ago, but still not dead
Miss Marple is coming back with new stories. I very much appreciate the new Poirot stories written by Sophie Hannah, so I'm trusting that the Christie estate selected the new writers for Miss Marple very carefully. For me it's hard to tell which Marple story I like most. But the common appeal to me is that Marple is a rather ambiguous character. Unlike Poirot I never know where she is coming from. She is not the cozy granny; her view on people is usually not an affectionate one. On the other hand, she always seems to understand and can relate to evil and humanizes the killer.
Very much looking forward to the new stories.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||September 14, 2021 6:28 AM
Marple should rest in peace alongside Agatha Christie, just as 007 should have when Ian Fleming died. Classical literary characters are products of their time and the idiosyncrasies of their creators. Modern pastiches are rarely harmonious with this.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||September 1, 2021 2:17 PM
Miss Marple - the secret abortionist of St Mary Mead! She didn't just use those knitting needles for making sweaters!
|by Anonymous||reply 2||September 11, 2021 8:38 PM
Agreed R1. Trying to reinvent certain classics seems almost disrespectful even.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||September 11, 2021 8:44 PM
Why would I want to read a non-Christie Miss Marple?
If I'm in the mood I always can reread and authentic one.
Publishing always has been a rubbish game, but today they don't even try to hide it.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||September 11, 2021 8:47 PM
[quote] If I'm in the mood I always can reread an authentic one.
I can't. I've read all Christie books at least twice already and watched the shows. A whodunnit story is hard to entice me after one or two readings when you know who did it.
I am reading 'The Mystery of Three Quarters' right now, almost done, and I am enjoying it. There may be slight differences to Christie's style, but Sophie Hannah stays very true to Poirot's character and his environment. And I admit I find Catchpool as a sidekick a lot more interesting than Hastings (who always annoyed the hell out of me). So I am looking forward to fresh Marple material.
See it this way: Classicism initially copied then heavily sourced from Ancient Greek and Roman art. It's still very much enjoyed and highly regarded where it's done right.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||September 12, 2021 2:09 PM
R5 do you think there is a strong implication Cstchpool is gay? He doesn't want Fee or any other lady.
I do like all four "New" Poirots but found all 4 solutions to be disappointing
|by Anonymous||reply 6||September 12, 2021 2:20 PM
[quote] Miss Marple - Already old a hundred years ago, but still not dead
|by Anonymous||reply 7||September 12, 2021 2:33 PM
R6, to me it looks like Sophie Hannah deliberately doesn't go there. You could expect some revelations in that regard where Catchpool is the narrator. But even where he complains about his mother's attempts to find him a woman, it's more about her being overbearing than his will to committ to a specific woman. And I never get any homoerotic aspirations from him.
I am not sure how a writer could weave in this topic without straying too much away from Christie. Christie never spelled it out. Gays were usually described as very peculiar individuals that other support characters tried to stay away from. And I don't remember that Poirot or Miss Marple ever voiced an opinion on this topic. Also: Hannah's Poirot seems to be firmly set in 1929, 1930. There doesn't seem to be much room to discuss openly gay characters. And closeted gays (aka in hiding) is not necessarily what I want to read about in a Poirot book. Who knows. Maybe it can be done. Maybe Hannah surprises us all at some point. The TV shows surely tested the waters already.
Btw, don't spoil it for me. I haven't finished 'The Mystery of Three Quarters' yet. Still 40 pages to go.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||September 12, 2021 3:54 PM
R8 - The Fourth Quarter did it.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||September 12, 2021 3:58 PM
I think she should experience a Merle Norman makeover.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||September 12, 2021 4:00 PM
R8 tell us your thoughts when you finish it.
Anyone else got opinions of the Sophie Hannah novels of Poirot?
|by Anonymous||reply 11||September 12, 2021 4:21 PM
Ugh, this is so unnecessary. Why don’t people write their won shit.
R11, i read the first one and, as an Agatha Christie fan, was seriously irritated. SH appears now as some sort of trustee of the AC legacy, but that book alone shows that she fails to understand AC’ s major strengths. One of these is simplicity (even if only apparent). A plot involving 3 people murdered in different hotel rooms with cuff links in their mouths is very far away from AC’s territory. There are several other failures and the book is too long. Sorry for the rant (but youasked).
|by Anonymous||reply 12||September 12, 2021 4:31 PM
Margaret Rutherford made her over the top in a funny way. Joan Hickson was ideal but later she was old and her acting was not very good anymore. Julia McKenzie is doing fine and should continue to play her.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||September 12, 2021 4:46 PM
I agree about SH making the plots too complex, it always leads to a very disappointing and unconvincing solution. I enjoy spending more time with Hercule but her stories aren't that brilliant
|by Anonymous||reply 14||September 12, 2021 4:56 PM
"She is not the cozy granny; her view on people is usually not an affectionate one. On the other hand, she always seems to understand and can relate to evil and humanizes the killer."
Christie has an incredibly dark and cynical view of human nature. Her characters all seem to be terribly posh and genteel, but if you pick a group of them at random most of them are one step away from killing each other, and one of them has gone ahead and done it. In most of her books, only one or two characters are ever shown to be decent human beings, and Miss Marple is quite aware of that. Even the darling little town of St. Mary Mead is full of people who behave abominably and abuse each other, which is why Miss Marple is so aware of simmering undercurrents of hatred and anger.
If you dismiss Christie because of the murder reveals that would have fallen apart if anyone had stuck their head out of their room at the wrong moment, you're missing what makes her memorable.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||September 12, 2021 6:48 PM
"Ugh, this is so unnecessary. Why don’t people write their won [own?] shit."
Because there's a huge market for "cozy" murder mysteries, and Christie herself is still selling, that's why!
Most actual murders take place between trashy people or dedicated criminals, but for some reason people including me just love reading about murders in respectable middle-class and upper-class settings! I suppose it's a way to look at all the antagonisms simmering under the polished surface of our lives, see them gotten out into the open and resolved, with the bad people punished and good rewarded. Utterly unlike real life, where the nasty undercurrents just keep simmering forever.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||September 12, 2021 6:56 PM
As long as the stories end in lesbians I am happy.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||September 13, 2021 12:45 AM
I vaguely recall that Christie included a few gay supporting characters here and there, they weren't referred to as such but were lightly coded. If I'm right, they were generally presented as relatives who'd gone to the city because they didn't fit in with horse-and-hounds country life, and were presented without snark or censure, as sympathetic as anyone in a Christie novel ever is.
If anyone has any details please contradictor expand this, because even though I consider Christie to be a bit underrated as a writer, I do find it difficult to remember what happens in which book.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||September 13, 2021 1:07 AM
Mr Satterthwaite was as big a Mary as they come and he lead a whole book, which Agatha called her favourite!
|by Anonymous||reply 19||September 13, 2021 7:00 AM
I’m a big Poirot and Marple fan and was intrigued enough to pick up Sophie Hannah’s first Poirot novel. However it felt contrived and twee. Anthony Horowitz has taken on a Christie-like novel within a novel twice, and I felt he really hit the mark.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||September 13, 2021 9:50 AM
R18, in A Murder is Announced there a two woman who live together and are very obviously a couple. When one of the is murdered, the other’s reaction is very much of the one of a lover.
R20, completly agree, Horowitz, unlike Hannah, captures the Christie spirit very well .
|by Anonymous||reply 21||September 13, 2021 1:30 PM
I think A MURDER IS ANNOUNCED would have been better if they didn't kill off Miss Murgatroyd. She could have just been in a coma.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||September 13, 2021 6:00 PM
I'd be happy to give these new books a shot, it's not like they'll be set in the 2000s with Miss Marple having a podcast and appearing on her Nepher's Tik Tok
|by Anonymous||reply 23||September 14, 2021 6:28 AM