Who is the Bigger Pain in the ASS - Bette Midler or Barbra Streisand?

Streisand by a CUNTree mile.

Bette has had far more people who refused to ever work with her again.

Barbra is exacting, but Bette is difficult.

Barbra is a perfectionist who isn't able to get out of her own way.

Bette is just a miserable cunt.

It all depends, OP. Who is a bigger pain in the ass in regards to... what?

Babs is more delusional and demanding, Bette is just a miserable, angry cunt.

[quote]Barbra is exacting, but Bette is difficult.

Yes.

Midler is outright disliked by many former colleagues, who all think she's a big cunt. Some people have Streisand frustrating, but only insofar as she's been trying to achieve EXACTLY what she thinks is best for whatever she's working on.

Streisand is really a perfectionist, who can come off as pain because of that. Midler is nasty for stature's sake.

I remember something posted here years ago. A DLer was renting his place in Laguna Beach and Bette Midler came to look at it. She brought an assistant.

All of Bette's questions were asked through the assistant and the DLer was only allowed to address the assistant.

To me, that screams someone with issues.

According to a sound engineer who has worked with many famous recording stars, Streisand is at least not as bad as Anita Baker.

[quote] Artists hardly ever bad mouth each other backstage at the Grammys. But Al Schmitt, who won the Best Engineer award for his work with Diana Krall, managed to shoehorn in a put-down.

[quote] While praising Krall as "easy to work with," he contrasted her with Anita Baker, whom he called "very difficult." He elaborated with another comparison.

[quote] "She [Barbra Streisand] can be tough. But at least you know what she wants and there's a light at the end of the tunnel. With Anita Baker, that's not true."

Oh, Anita Baker is famously loathed in the industry. Major cunt.

Barbra at least has the talent to warrant being difficult, Bette is just trashy and tacky.

[quote]Bette has had far more people who refused to ever work with her again.

That's because she's not and has never been as big a star as Babs.

And "Barbra is exacting?" Ha ha, very funny. I think R5 nailed it, "delusional and demanding."

Bette has always been brassy and loud. A lot of people don't like her style of outspokenness. Barbra is more "do" than "talk"

Could they not both be shrieking harridans?

No, Bette is not "brassy." Bette is a cunt.

Bett

I would say Midler, because she's very marginally talented. In fact, her talent is completely indiscernible.

Bette Midler. She's stupid. Nothing personal, I like her, but I like my dog, know what I mean ?

That's Miss Bacall to you, R15. And don't you forget it! Besides only my friends call me Betty and you most certainly aren't a friend.

[quote]That's because she's not and has never been as big a star as Babs.

Those recording breaking grosses for Hello Dolly! would tell you otherwise.

I would say between that and Hocus Pocus becoming a beloved Halloween classic for the younger generations, Bette's more well known than Streisand is currently.

Wow this is a tough one. They’re both notorious class-A cunts. I’d say it’s a pretty even tie, with maybe Bette being a little more of a bitch than Babs.

"She [Barbra Streisand] can be tough. But at least you know what she wants and there's a light at the end of the tunnel..."

Yes, the schmaltziest schmaltz ever known to mankind, sung in a raspy 79 year old voice that she thinks is dreamy.

Both Kike Cunts.

R22 You sure showed them! 🙄

Is Anita Baker that difficult? Worse than Dionne Warwick?

Anita Baker had the decency to quit early!

It really is a Sophie's choice, isn't it?

[quote] Anita Baker had the decency to quit early!

Quit, or was pushed out?

A little off-topic, why is Midler's former fugly tub manager/boyfriend Aaron Russo left out of her Wiki bio?

Anita didn't quit, she just burned all her bridges. Every one of them. Shame really. And unnecessary.

Bette is awful, really awful. Her rotten behavior stems from her insecurity. She is well aware of her many inadequacies. Being cunty is a defensive thing.

As for Barbra, not a fan but I can recognize her talents. Her glory days may be long gone but at her best she was fire.

Lol.

R22 should be boiled in oil.

Midler

I'm surprised by these responses. They're both rotten, but Streisand brags about it.

Based on the stories posted about her over the years, Anita seems to be more in the vein of a Faye Dunaway, then just your basic stone cold bitch a la Dionne.

R17 I've worked with Bette. Whatever else you think, she is far from stupid. Actually she's quite bright and intellectually curious.

R35, that's a direct quote from co-star James Caan. He also worked with Streisand, but she was too powerful in the film industry at the time for him to dish. Though much later he did dis Babs over her liberal political views.

Barbra is the worst.

Barbra by far. She and Steven Spielberg have for years sabotaged my career. Bette was so nice and tried to get me the Helen Slater role in Ruthless People but Barbra spoke to Disney and I was dumped.

Madonna.

Now I want to search the DL for old Anita Baker threads.

They're on LSA. She and Luther Vandross toured together. She'd come out first and sign off her final number with "I hope you got your money's worth" and Luther would open with "How about my OPENING act?"

Andrea Martin did the best Barbra.

Midler by a mile.

I think Midler has mellowed with age (I hope). She is hilarious on Twitter. Both she and Streisand often tweet about similar things, but Midler's posts are funnier and more thoughtful. Barbra takes herself way too seriously.

Anita Baker has always been a notorious cunt. I love how she paints herself as a retiree. Well, nobody wants to work with you anymore so I guess it's better to call it retirement than a career ending because you're a cunt and nobody wants to work with you anymore.

[quote]I think Midler has mellowed with age (I hope). She is hilarious on Twitter.

Oh, honey . . . she isn't writing any of that. Bruce Villanch is.

Bette Midler.

Barbra, as already stated, is a perfectionist.

Bette didn’t get her way during “Songs for the New Depression” and basically gave up on her music career.

Barbra doesn’t have that type of attitude.

I’m curious about Anita Baker now too.

Anita Baker just won back the rights to the masters of her first five albums. So if she isn't now, she will be sitting pretty well financially soon.

The woman may be crazy, but she did something a lot of entertainers in her age range are still fighting to obtain.

That SCTV clip has Ruth Gordon much funnier. Plus I like the exchange: Stand up, short stuff/I AM standing up!

"Sometimes it´s not soe easy to pull out of anS&M relationship."

“Wait a minute. Since when were you guys...?"

“S&M, Michael repeated. 'Streisand and Midler. He was into Streisand.

It was pure unalduterated hell."

Anyone post this yet?

Bette and Barbra are two of the most talented singers ever. They also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout their lives. Despite that, both have a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Hollywood. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, we identified with their struggles and as they did with ours.

Anyone know, do they like each other? As much as any diva can like another?

Streisand does not associate with those beneath her, R52. She's queenly.

Anita Baker will be touring with Michael McDonald. Mush mouths unite!

[Quote] Bette and Barbra are two of the most talented singers ever.

Bette isn’t that talented. She’s brassy and always just on the edge of falling out of tune

^ R55 fails to understand the joke

Barbra is a bigger pain in the ass due to her insecurity and perfectionism but Bette can be downright mean to people sometimes.

Barbra can be exhausting, but she always has a vision. She wants to achieve a certain performance and she can get frustrated when she can't quite get it right, and she'll keep working until she gets it. Bette is just mean for the sake of being mean.

It's true that Anita Baker burned a lot of bridges with her nasty attitude, but her style of singing also went out of fashion which was a big reason why she kind of disappeared. Her crooning Quiet Storm type of R&B was replaced by hip hop and New Jack Swing in the early 90s.

^ OMFG

I heard that Anita Baker was such a nasty piece of work that she would get cunty with her band while doing a show, when they weren't playing the way she wanted them to.

Fun fact about Anita Baker: When "Sweet Love" (her first single) first came out it was featured at the end of an episode of Moonlighting, and ABC got inundated with calls from viewers wanting to know who sang the song (that's how things worked in those pre-Internet days). That helped make the song a big hit.

Anita Baker is notoriously hard on sound men. That said, her concerts are know for sounding good.

*known

Why are people speaking of Anita Baker's career in the present tense?

Bette Midler

Learn how to use a poll

Bette Midler is what one would call typical if one wanted to risk misunderstanding. Barbra also is typical, but she truly is mad. Midler is more grounded in the fact of her luck and "trajectory."

Neither will be a pain in the ass if they need you and know it.

Midler's the cunt!!

Let’s face it, Streisand paved the way for Midler. No getting around that.

Anita also ruined her voice too. No way she can hit those notes anymore.

[quote]Anita also ruined her voice too. No way she can hit those notes anymore.

I can still hit a personal assistant!

Mariah owns this

Bette was quite unpopular on the set of The Stepford Wives. Bette is not a girl's girl and distanced herself from the other actresses.

Barbra is gentle and it never hurts.

Kim Cattrall owns this thread.

R75 is typing from a stable.

[quote]All of Bette's questions were asked through the assistant and the DLer was only allowed to address the assistant.

What's wrong with that?

[quote]Bette didn’t get her way during “Songs for the New Depression” and basically gave up on her music career.

She's made a hell of a lot of money off a career she "gave up on."

I would cast both Bette and Barbra in a film just to watch the fur fly.

When Bette sold her house in Laguna Beach, you could hear the town cheering when escrow closed.

Both cunts paved the way for me.

R75, how would Kim Cattrall own a thread called, Who is the Bigger Pain in the ASS - Bette Midler or Barbra Streisand?

It's terrible when a singer yells at her band or the sound people DURING a concert. I've seen that a few times, most recently with Cyndi Lauper. If there's a problem, do it with a smile. It turned off the audience when you're being mean to others

What are some of the stories about Bette Midler's cuntiness? I did a search and couldn't find a thread.

Let's ask Jerry.

Streisand looked quite good there. Her body language is telling.

They look like sisters.

Jesus, R87. You need some sleep.

R88 whaddaya mean?

The older Barbra Streisand gets, the more she resembles Liz Sheridan.

I tell you what, Bette better leave that poor daughter of hers a great big pile of money.

To be fair, r91, she gets some of her fug from her dad too…

Did anyone even notice that Anita Baker stopped recording? Her debut album was great. Her follow-up was decent but really just more of the same. Then it became apparent that's all she could do, and the fame she initially achieved seemed to fade into utter blandness.

Bette, and I would know.

I’ve worked with both. Bette is by FAR the bigger c-u-n-t.

Can we get some stories? "X is a cnut" gets old.

I miss the old days when older female artists like Anita Baker and Tina Turner could have huge careers in their 40s. And Barbra, Bette, Dionne, Diana, Gladys, Patti and KT Oslin were all still going strong on the charts. I'm not sure what happened to end all of that, but I sure miss it. Those days are long gone.

Not really. Diana was down on the Billboard charts by 40. Tina's solo career was huge outside the US but the follow ups to Private Dancer didn't do that well stateside. KT Oslin was a country artist, not pop. Dionne was done by about 1986. Ditto Aretha. Bette's album from around the time of Beaches was a blip, she'd been a bomb as a recording artist past the mid 1970s. Babs sold albums, that has to be acknowledged, but she meant little on the pop charts in 1980s (same as the 1960s, really.)

There are still vital older women artists such as roots artists like Lucinda Williams, but the Easy Listening genre is dead.

I think Linda Ronstadt was the last older female who was still getting Top 10 hits in her 40s. I can't think of anyone after her, except for Sia, but she made a point to hide her face and be anonymous because she was older.

Madonna was still getting hit songs in her 40s.

I think Barbra has severe OCD and a lot of her troubles (the perfectionism, the mall) come from that. People don't follow her rules and she gets fixated on small things. Some see it as being demanding but I think she can't help it. There's a youtube video where she is giving the editor a hard time on Yentl because a beat of music is missing. (She's actually right though. The song did sound better when she got her beat back.)

Midler seems like she can just be nasty sometimes. I remember Sandra Bernhard telling a story of how she met her and said what a big influence Midler was on her. Midler said something like so what? What do I care.

[quote]People don't follow her rules and she gets fixated on small things.

Haven't we all worked with people like this?

[R46], I never heard of Bette not getting her way on "Songs for the New Depression." Or that it caused her to give up on her musical career. I do remember reading in Rolling Stone or Creem mag (this was 1974, so you have to forgive the dim cloud that hangs over the memory) that Bette was 'tearing her hair out' looking for material to record for, what I believe turned out to be SFTND. Do you have more information?

Wasn't Rapture actually Cuntita Baker's second album? I think she recorded The Songstress on a different label and that was her first album. Rapture, her big breakthrough, was her second album.

Giving You The Best That I Got was her most successful, netting her a ROTY nomination as well as one for AOTY. By the early 90s she was starting to fade a bit although she did remain a Grammy favorite, winning again for Compositions. The night Mimi Carey got humiliated by losing all six of her nominations for Daydream, one of the people she lost to was Baker. La Baker won Best R&B Female for I Apologize over Mimi's Always Be My Baby.

Anita present an award to Miki Howard and whispered in Howard's ear: "Enjoy it because it's the only one you're ever gonna get."

*presented

R106, thank God Anita did not present hole to Mickey Mouse Howard (who?) then. She might have ended up with the award shoved up her hole.

R90 -

The older Barbra Streisand gets, the more she resembles the Sheridan Expressway

R109 Or a Muppet depending on the angle that the photo is taken.

[italic]Compositions[/italic] was Anita Baker’s best album. To my ears anyway. Less compromising than the previous ones. I understand that she was very difficult to work with on the production of this project though.

Anita Baker's career ended because she was a mega-bitch to everybody she had to deal with, and also her style of music fell out of favor in the early 90s when hip-hop and New Jack Swing took over. The Quiet Storm/Adult Contemporary sound was done.

Her two post-[italic]Composition[/italic] albums were pretty mediocre too.

Her two post-[italic]Composition[/italic] albums were pretty mediocre too.

Please stay on topic. This thread is not about Anita Baker. It’s about how everybody hates Bette Midler. Thank you.

It's one thing to be really abrupt and critical in a professional setting but I would be curious to learn who is meaner to restaurant servers and cleaning staff? I think shitting on little people is the true definition of being a cunty monster.

I remember when [italic]10[/italic] with Bo Derek came out and a tabloid magazine ranked all of the top female entertainers on a scale of 1 - 10. Hollywood's top makeup artists, modeling agency execs and others were on this panel, rating women like Stefanie Powers, Farrah Fawcett, Jane Fonda, et al. It seems incredibly sexist and shaming now. Bette was rated as a 4 or 5, with some queen on the panel saying that she had "the nose of death". But what worked for her was her sheer force of personality. I think that they savaged Liza Minelli's looks too, but they really, really came for Bette. She's tough as nails, but it had to suck with people telling you that you weren't pretty enough to be in films.

For r115

Her two post-[italic]Compositions[/italic] albums were pretty mediocre too.

Not pretty enough? Damn ugly is more like it.

^^^It could also explain why she is nasty to people. Bette has talent and stage presence and make people notice her. So she's no Farrah. Frank Sinatra was ugly and skinny, but he could sing and that's all anyone cared about. He was paired opposite some of Hollywood's most beautiful leading ladies and no one said shit about his lack of good looks.

All of the cast members of the Broadway "Hello Dolly" with Bette had to sign NDAs. That said, I heard several stories of Bette meeting cast members' families and being generally okay.

Frank Sinatra wasn't bad-looking as a young man.

Frank was homely af. He looked better when he got older and gained weight. But as a young man he was not handsome. YMMV.

OP, you've got to ask???

He was good-looking for the times. Remember, he was pretty much the first teen idol.

[quote] Quit, or was pushed out?

I took over her body.

[quote] . I've seen that a few times, most recently with Cyndi Lauper

Cyndi was yelling at her fans? Even Madonna doesn't do that and she has a HUGE ASS!!!

Madonna released Ray of Light, Music and Confessions in her 40s, all of which were huge global albums. Confessions topped the charts in a record number of countries, a record it still holds.

Madonna has had the longest career as a Hot 100 artist than anyone else.

Poor things!

Neither of them is winning any beauty contests. No wonder they're unpleasant.

Bette is loathed here.

[quote] Madonna has had the longest career as a Hot 100 artist than anyone else.

Is there seriously not a single thread on this board where we can leave this BONY CUNT's name out of it?

I wish someone would write the book on the Anita Baker/Luther tour, where those two diva cunts went AT it.

Bette is a NYC institution. Her philanthropic activities are legendary. Both are incredibly talented.

Love them both.

Streisand? Midler? Anita Baker? Lauren Bacall? They all have their moments, but they have all delivered on an epic scale.

How about Batty Buckley and Tovah Feldshuh? Neither are untalented, but neither are worth nearly enough to have to put up with them. Vile. Mean. Petty. Narcissistic. Awful people.

Honorable Mention: Linda Lavin and Anne Meara.

What's the deal with Tovah? I'm not familiar with her cuntery.

Is there anyone on the planet more vile than Betty Buckley? I think not

R78 R104 Maybe I should say gave up on her recording career. She admitted this herself.

“Songs For The New Depression” was supposed to be her artistic breakthrough album where she became a singer-songwriter and shed her Divine Miss M image, hence the cover.

It was supposed to be a concept album based on a story of a mother and daughter’s perspective of when a daughter falls in love for the first time. Side A was supposed to be the daughters perspective, Side B was the mother’s perspective. In the album booklet, the artwork based on this concept is still there.

However the record label rejected the songs and scrapped the concept and added outtakes from “The Divine Miss M” (“Old Cape Cod”, “Marahuana”) and doing a disco cover of “Strangers in the Night” and “Buckets of Rain” were label suggestions Bette resented.

So she said after that whole ordeal, plus the album under performing, she lost interest in her recording career. It’s really her only album she wrote multiple songs for and they all but one was scrapped.

There used to be an incredible website for her called Bette on the Boards that had everything about her career.

It also had live outtakes from live performances for the filming of “The Rose”.

She had performed a cover of Ben E. King’s “Spanish Harlem” and this big huge song called “Roll The Holy Bones” which would have been awesome had it made the movie. You can hear the original version on YouTube by Daniel Moore, it’s more mid-tempo whereas Bette’s version was more along the lines of Zeppelin’s “Immigrant Song” but had that bluesy funk the songs in the movie had. Unfortunately it seems like it’s lost now that the site is gone.

Speaking of “The Rose”, because I’m a raging queen and it’s one of my favorite movies, I cried tears of joy a few years ago when I had discovered Janis Joplin had actually done a live cover of “Stay With Me Baby”, just like in the movie. It’s on YouTube.

Also, before “Songs for the New Depression”, Bette had recorded an album called “Miss M Goes Motown” and it was scrapped in 1975.

Even though the 70s were before my time, I like a lot of Bette's music from this period. Her song selections were interesting and she really could sing. There's also a sense of fun to all of her albums. I don't like much of her 80s output when she got the Adult Contemporary makeover i.e. songs like Wind Beneath My Wings and From A Distance, which is one of the worst songs ever written. Just Lite FM garbage. Those songs made her a bloody fortune, though.

Bette has poor pitch, mediocre tone, a small range and poor breath control. What she lacks in technique she makes up in…personality.

Well, Bette has the biggest arse. Babs looks boney.

There is nothing more annoying than a "she/he's not a technical singer" snob. Some of the greatest singers were not technical singers, but could put over a song by the power and emotion of their voice.

True r141. She's the American Isabel Pantoja.

She's pretty much retired now, isn't she?

Did Bette sell her huge apartment?

Where did she move to (still in NYC or did she flee?)

Bette is an ENTERTAINER.

They gave Bette's first album the reissue treatment a few years ago. It's sounds like an expanded edition of the Depression record might be interesting.

[quote]Bette has poor pitch, mediocre tone, a small range and poor breath control. What she lacks in technique she makes up in…personality.

Yes. I would much rather listen to Bette than Barbra. Barbra's voice is an incredible instrument, but it's so perfect that it bores me, if that makes sense. I admire Barbra's voice and technique but I feel Bette's connection to her songs.

[quote]I feel Bette's connection to her songs.

She does connect to her songs. But it only happens when she's just Bette Midler singing. On her own, she can make a simple song a three act play. But only then.

She cannot play a character. The woman cannot act. She's had many opportunities, but she can't do it. She's Bette Midler and that's it. After all these years in the business, she's no better than a student in a first semester acting class. She will NEVER give up being Bette Midler. That's the only character she's ever played.

So many old films from early Hollywood have disintegrated and are lost. Sadly, Midler's GYPSY is not one of them. OMG.

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Crackin' bust.

Maybe a little rhinoplasty would have helped her…did wonders for Stephanie Mills.

[quote]she (Midler) had "the nose of death". But what worked for her was her sheer force of personality.

And a surgeon's scalpel, see old one below

It can boil down to the simple question, which one would you like to spend time with? They're both bitches, but I'd have lunch with Bette ANYTIME over Babs. Midler is more genuine and accessible to fans and strangers. Streisand cannot let her hair down unrehearsed with anyone but her small inner circle. She so pretentious she smells.

How DO I KNOW? I made it up.

Anita Baker stole my Grammy. My song Always Be My Baby is iconic and I deserved to win R&B Single Female that year, not that boring bitch Anita for some forgettable crap that all sounds the same.

Lambs, you need to petition NARAS to take the Grammy away from her and restore it to me.

I think I'd pick lunch with Barbra. I picture Bette acting like a loud, obnoxious attention-getter, while Barbra would focus on the food and be at least somewhat conversational.

Can you imagine Barbra ordering a meal in a restaurant? Start with "Do you bake your own bread here?" An hour later she would still be deposing the waiter on every aspect of the meal.

r158 do you know any Jews? They're all like that in restaurants.

^^^Figure skater Sasha Cohen was notorious for this. I think that there was a fluff piece on her during her heyday as an elite skater. She went to a restaurant and was being quite the bossypants in the kitchen.

I'm Jewish and neither me nor any Jew I know does that, R159.

I wonder if Barbra keeps to a very restrictive diet or if she allows herself Jewish comfort foods like noodle kugel and blueberry blintzes with sour cream.

Jews in restaurants are why the Holocaust happened.

Just kidding!

[quote]I wonder if Barbra keeps to a very restrictive diet

Yes, salads and more salads......with Thousand Island dressing.

Who has the tightest gash?

They have both only had one kid each and neither appear to have slept around a lot. A saw it may be a draw.

There was a Jewish lady in our legal secretary pool who’d always attendour holiday potlucks to get these appetizers another secretary would bring every year. Mushrooms stuffed with cream cheese, crabmeat and bacon. She’d shrug her shoulders and say, “So what? It’s only once a year. It’s not like I have to go to confession, right?”. And she’d manage to get the last ones to take home too…I thought it was hysterically funny.

I could have just given here the recipe!

[quote]They have both only had one kid each and neither appear to have slept around a lot.

Where the hell have you been?

Babs is (was) a well known needy whore - dozens of men had their way with her. The handsome ones had their way with her ONCE.

Bette same deal.

Surely it's more that Babs had her way with those men.

OMG. Look at this pic Barbra just tweeted.

I had no idea who it was at first.

Dear god, she's gone La Taylor with the fluffy white dogs.

R170, WHAT is that thing on her head?

R172 I think Barbra has been rummaging through Nancy Sinatra's garbage for old wigs from the 60s.

Like Robert Redford, Barbra Streisand has more hair on her head at 79 than 29.

Hairdressers, spill.

Is Babs wearing a lacefront?

The story back in the day was that Bette's music career derailed because she punched a radio bigwig at an industry party and he had her stuff pulled from many of the top stations. At least that was what was reported in the gossip columns at the time. He said something snarky about her current single and she hauled off and slugged him. I can't remember if they said she had been drinking as well.

Bette did struggle after her first album's success until she did The Rose. There was a sense that she wasn't going to measure up to her initial hype , while those who worked for her like Barry Manilow and Melissa Manchester were fairing much better. The Rose put her back on the map in a big way, only to have it crashing down two years later with the Jinxed debacle.

R171 She's been into the fluffy white dogs since the 1960s, when she had Sadie. But that picture ain't about the dogs. The real caption should read, "Look at my ass! Hasn't changed since my Superman album."

R170 I always wondered what a lion would look like with a $17 Korean blond wig.

That pic is hilarious. Barbra is almost 80 and doing a stealth thirst trap pic!

James Brolin said on national television that "having a mediator -- a marriage counselor -- in the middle is what has made our marriage work." I love honesty. Can you imagine being married to her? Good God.

I expect he has a man cave.

Does Barbra do well on streaming?

There's always Kathleen Battle, who screwed up her opera career by being a notorious pain in the butt. She only did recitals because she couldn't "play well with others".

Nope, none of my wigs were ratty.

If you want to know what a psychotic cunt Bette is just ask anyone who worked on her flop sitcom.

Barbra's ass does look pretty darn good for someone on the verge of 80, or even someone on the verge of 40, frankly nowadays. Good on you, Babs! Now the eyes.... is that makeup or botox?

Babs blew it with the facial fillers. She once was beautiful. Now her face is freakish.

Barbra was never beautiful. The best one could say about her is that she was a "handsome woman," when she was younger. Kind of like Glenn Close.

Barbra had that cool, sort of aristocratic look that a long bumpy nose can sometimes give. Same with princess Diana. Didn’t work on Bette.

Babs and Bette are both homely as sin…aristocratic my ass….lol

Barbra looks like an old woman with a lot of plastic surgery. Without it, she'd just look like an old woman. Poor people don't have plastic surgery, and for rich former movie stars, it's mandatory. Tres chic!

Did Jane Russell have a face lift in the 1960s or early 1970s? Someone linked to a Dinah featuring Russell, Debbie Reynolds, Jane Powell etc. and Russell looked very pulled (and with very lesbian hair).

Of course Jane Russell had a facelift, R192, all of them did. Since she was 40 in 1921, it would have been in the 60s or 70s. Whether she was a lesbian has been rumored since forever, probably because of her butchier than butch demeanor. And a story about her an a chorus girl in one of her roadshows.

^ "Since she was 40 in 1921" should be 1961

It's funny because in that Dinah episode, Jane is the who claims she had no interest in the social scene, getting dressed up etc. while sitting there with her face pulled tight.

Bette and Dinah.

R73 Bette playing Paula Prentiss' part in the cinematic abortion known as "The Stepford Wives" remake was a travesty.

Bump

[quote] I remember something posted here years ago. A DLer was renting his place in Laguna Beach and Bette Midler came to look at it. She brought an assistant. All of Bette's questions were asked through the assistant and the DLer was only allowed to address the assistant.

I've heard of other celebrities doing this, like Lucille Ball, who would only allow flight attendants to ask questions of her ("Would you like a glass of champagne, Miss Ball?") through her assistants.

Some Dataloungers will claim celebrities [italic]need[/italic] some sort of protection from the hoi polloi, but that's just bullshit that enables ridiculous and snobbish behavior. The truth is that genuinely emotionally secure celebrities would never do this--the only ones who do this are celebrities who were once poor and who secretly fear being poor again.

R120 "Frank Sinatra was ugly and skinny, but he could sing and that's all anyone cared about."

It wasn't ALL anyone cared about.

When Ava Gardner was asked why she married Frank Sinatra, the “one-hundred-twenty-pound runt,” she replied, “There may be only twenty pounds of Frank, but there are one hundred pounds of cock.”

r200: Ava Gardner also had another memorable zinger after she was divorced from Sinatra and told by reporters he had just married Mia Farrow: "I always said Frank would end up with a little boy!"

[quote]r117 I remember when 10 with Bo Derek came out and a tabloid magazine ranked all of the top female entertainers on a scale of 1 - 10…

Bo Derek really was gorgeous. Those movies she made (mostly “directed” by her husband) were just abysmal, though, and exposed her lack of even rudimentary ability.

But to bring this full circle, Babs and Bette would have sacrificed their firstborn child to look like her.