Let’s be The Mirror Has Two Faces

I'm Betty's face recalling what it was like to walk into a room as a beautiful woman.

I’m slathered on the camera lens

I'm the entire classroom of extras directed to be way into Barbra's dumb lectures.

I'm the three menopausal cat ladies sitting in that otherwise empty theater and thanking Babs for giving hope to unfuckable weirdos like us.

I saw this movie for the first time recently and the ego on this woman is off the charts embarrassing. When she is dowdy before the makeover the lighting still makes her look gorgeous and I think her character is considerably younger than she actually was. I loved it

I'm Nessun Dorma and I'm accompanying the worst and most embarrassing ending in movie history. I thought I had avoided it when they wanted me for the ending of The Bad Seed and I refused.

Now streaming on Netflix

Yes watch it. Streisand as a college lecturer! If I remember correctly Paul Rudnick had a character he wrote as, If you ask me, in Movieline. He did this article that was so funny on this movie. Writing that this whole movie was about how people should be telling Barbara that she was pretty.

Honestly this move should be a DL classic

I'm the original French film from the 1950's and I'm much better.

I'm Lauren Bacall and I'm still bitter at the Academy for giving my Oscar to that French tart.

I'm Larry Kramer pissed at Barbra for choosing to do this over The Normal Heart.

I'm also Betty Bacall and I hare that ugly cunt Barbra! I only took the gig cause there was nothing else on the books! That woman is a complete fuckin narcissist! I AM the STAR!

hate not hare! hate hate hate!

I'm the lovely apartment that Rose and her mother live in that actually feels like a real home.

I'm R12 who probably repeats this every time anything related to this subject comes up. Thats not how studio movies work. THE NORMAL HEART is a great example of how studios operated in the 90s to the Marvel era. They'd pay to devlop stuff like THE NORMAL HEART but they didn't want to finance movies like that. They wanted to finance movies like THE MIRROR HAS TWO FACES--big stars, a soundtrack album they could sell millions of copies of, good reviews, maybe some oscar nominations if it worked out, if not, they were still making money off it.

I'm the completely unbelievable Geoffrey Larkin, who is handsome, sexy, intelligent, and with a tenured position at Columbia, but only wanting a platonic relationship because Elle McPherson just used me for sex.

I'm Pierce Brosnan, a mediocre actor at best, trying very hard to look convincing as someone who has the hots for Babs Streisand, who has started dreasibf like a Mafia wife.

*dressing like, not dreasibf like. WTF, autocorrect? Are you on crack?

I only watched it for Bacall.

I'm Mimi Rogers's face crack.

I'm George Segal, who was roped in at the last minute to play the professor's best friend after director Babs fired (an ill) Dudley Moore for not remembering his lines.

I am Miss Bacall to you. I'll have you know that Barbara (I'm sorry, but what kind of ludicrous spelling is Bar-bra?) made me audition for the role. I reminded her that she wasn't that much younger than I was and that I'd have had to have been a teenaged mother to have her as my daughter.

And fuck that French cunt Binoche.

I'm the twenty-something male extras, we're being paid to play college boys who do double takes when we see Babs walking along campus post-makeover. We need to be paid a lot more than we are.

I love love LOVE the blind bold narcissism of American Jewish women who believe they’re beautiful. There’s nothing like the sweet blindness of a Barbra Streisand or Sarah Jessica Seabiscuit.

Lauren Bacall was an American Jewish woman, hon.

I'm the Sabbath and this vile family has no respect for me whatsoever. Firstly one of the daughters, the one who wasn't so needy, decides to get married on me. And then I find out the old, vain mother was just as contemptuous of me when the daughter reminds the old crone that the only thing she ever taught them about me was that Bergdorf's wouldn't be as crowded.

This family might as well be Gentiles. Fie on them!

Hello gorgeous.

We are the multiple Academy Award nominations the delusional director of this crapfest was expecting to receive. In a fit of pique over being denied, she refused to sing the nominated song during the ceremony and then dumped on the performer who did.

More like BarBRA has two faces

I'm Brenda Vacarro, forced to play a humiliating role as Bab's fat frumpy sidekick and object of pity.

I'm Barbra's cleavage. Who knew I existed??

I'm Jeff Bridges. Barbra couldn't score me in real life, similarly to every other leading man she had!

I'm Barbra's vag, tightly encased in lavender silk panties. I will not be making an appearance in this film.

I’m the theater with multiple exits.

I watched it for the first time about a month ago. I’d agree with most of the posters here. But Barbra is passable and her sometimes annoying schtick actual works here. Lauren is quite good here I thought and believable has a former beauty and difficult mother. But in the end, the message is simply that if a woman loses weight and wears make up and slimming, stylish clothing, men will fall in love with her and her life will finally be complete. No matter that she is already successful on her own. That message hasn’t aged well.

But a pleasant movie nonetheless

Bacall had a good chance at the Oscar because she does give a good performance but holding everyone below star level in contempt is not going to garner many votes. So they give her a consolation prize which is not the same thing.

We need that clip of the slow foot to face pan up to reveal Barbras astonishing beauty.

I'm the push-up bra that Babs heavily relies on to make her transition from an attractive educated woman to a horny middle-age sex kitten.

I should have never encouraged Barbra to speak.

R33 I'm Jeff's wife and I kept a very close eye on the set because I knew what Barbra had on her mind.

I'm the imitation Arnold Scaasi that Lauren wears to Mimi's wedding.

I'm the nebbishy character played by Austin Pendleton. The double standard in the script is never addressed. Rose has no problems dumping me or standing me up because I am not handsome, sexy or rich, but when it comes to her, a hunky Greg is supposed to ignore her frumpiness and love her for her inner beauty. Hypocritical bitch.

I'm Juliette Binoche - "Sorry Lauren, I didn't mean to" (whilst blowing kisses from the stage holding her Oscar)

Wasn't Dudley Moore supposed to play Austin Pendelton's part?

It's not a bad movie. The problem with Streisand's movies is that she should have just directed them (with the possible exception of perhaps Yentl). The one thing you can say is that she gets great performances out of actors. The problem is when she inserts herself into her movies, her vanity takes over.

I could pictures someone like Goldie Hawn doing this role justice.

Mimi Rogers and Debra Winger as sisters would have made sense.

Barbra and Winger working together?!

If Winger could survive MacLaine...

I'm one of those batshit college lectures that the students wildly applaud in films but, in reality, would be making fun of on twitter. Watch me make appearances in "The Chair," Amanda Peet's unemployment therapy.

By the way, the trend now is to interact with students and let them talk.

I'm the box that Barbra has to stand on for her standing scenes with Jeff.

I´m the reference in Queer as folk.

Emmett : - It’s like The Mirror has Two Faces. Because Barbra plays an unattractive professor who marries Jeff Bridges because neither one of them can handle sex. But of course Barbra gets horny, because, hello, Jeff's such a dreamboat, so she hops on a Stairmaster for like two minutes, eats a carrot stick, and then poof! She's gorgeous. Then she comes in dressed like the hooker in Nuts, and of course, Jeff's willing to fuck her, and, um... they dance in the street.

Ted : - And she still wasn’t nominated !

R8 There's a gorgeously funny takedown of THE MIRROR HAS TWO FACES written by Paul Rudnick's alter ego, Libby Gelman Waxner -- seek it out if you can. Rudnick nails the outlandish egotism that makes the film such an ordeal to watch. "Have you told Barbra she's pretty today?"

R8 The review can be found in Best American Movie Writing 1998. Here are some choice bits:

"The film dares to ask the largest philsophical question possible, something even more profound than Is there a God?, Why is there evil? or Why is this film shot in such soft-focus that sometimes the actors don't seem to have eyes? That question is, of course, Is Barbra Pretty?

Barbra confronts Lauren Bacall (playing Barbra's mother) asking her what it's like to be pretty. She forces Lauren to confess that she's always been secretly been jealous of of Barbra. Watching a fity-four-year old movie star haranguing her mother onscreen is a very special moment; it is like seeing the perfect therapy payoff, where your mom writes a formal note of apology for your childhood and has it printed as a full-page ad in the Times. When Lauren breaks down, Barbra smiles a knowing half smile and nods sagely, and I"m sure that in Europe the subtitle will read SEE, I'M PRETTY. TOLD YOU."

Rudnick goes on in a similar vein, but there's one last gorgeous bit I'll quote, describing the reaction to Barbra's character after her Big Makeover:

"Everywhere Barbra goes, she is lusted after, as if no one in New York had ever seen a grizzled mafia wife with a Sassoon cut before."

Find the essay -- it puts the whole movie in perspective.

I’m Celine Dion stepping in to sing the song at the Oscars last minute after Natalie Cole came down with the flu, who was filling in for Barbra, who refused to perform after she didn’t receive Best Director & Actress nominations.

Thank you so much for that. I thought of that essay for years. That character was genius. And it makes me laugh and laugh at how true it was.

I’m modern audiences, wondering how this hideous ugly woman ever became a movie star.

I'm Paul Rudnick, whose dreams of writing, producing, directing and starring in Hollywood films mysteriously faded after writing a scathing piece on Barbra Streisand.

Rudnick wrote Sister Act, Addams Family Values, Jeffrey, and In & Out. Rudnick has worked as an uncredited script doctor on films including The Addams Family and The First Wives Club. He was credited as the pseudonym "Joseph Howard" for his work on Sister Act, which was originally intended as a vehicle for Bette Midler; the screenplay went through many changes, and by the time it became re-fashioned for Whoopi Goldberg he refused to have his real name associated with it. Rudnick's later screenwriting forays included Isn't She Great and the 2004 remake of The Stepford Wives. His script Coastal Elites––a socially-distanced film about the COVID-19 pandemic––was directed by Jay Roach and stars Bette Midler, Dan Levy, Issa Rae, Sarah Paulson, and Kaitlyn Dever. It began airing on HBO on September 12, 2020.

I'm Pierce Brosnan and Jeff Bridges. The two of us deserved Oscars for pretending to be hot for Babs

I'm Elle Macpherson as some sort of math groupie. I must have wandered in from a science fiction film or something

I'm the ultra close-ups of Barbra's nails

I'm Elle Macpherson‘s Agent, booking her in this, Jan Eyre, The Edge, Batman & Robin, and If Lucy Fell with SJP. I thought I could make her a stah based on her looks but then I saw her act and I realized she makes Darryl Hannah look like Vivien Leigh.

Also known as The Bitch Wants Two Oscars

[quote]I'm Paul Rudnick, whose dreams of writing, producing, directing and starring in Hollywood films mysteriously faded after writing a scathing piece on Barbra Streisand.

They didn't mysteriously fade. He made Isn't She Great?, which is an even bigger pile of shit than Mirror. How does a gay guy manage to completely fuck up a subject like Jacqueline Susann?

Shit, at least Barbra didn't have scenes where she's talking to a tree.

I have a classic Bacall cuntiness tale and it’s related to this film…

The Setting: Orso Restaurant...

The Date: March 1997 a few weeks before the Oscars.

The Comment: Made by patrons at a table near both mine and that of a famous actress “We adored you in TMHTF and just wanted to say congratulations on your nomination!”

The Response: “Was I talking to you?!?!”

The CUNT: Lauren Bacall

I'm the Malibu ranch construction that made Barbra decide to come to New York and make the movie.

I'm a professor of mathematics who is absolutely taken aback when I realize that my date, who is a "fortysomething" professor of English, knows what prime numbers are. How could she possibly be that good-looking [italic] and [/italic] that intelligent?

I'm Mimi Rogers' previously untapped gift for comedy.

I'm the perfect bite that makes Rose moan like the hungry frau that she is.

I'm the weird camera angles Barbra uses to show Jeff's disturbed POV of Elle at his speech.

We're the lazy stereotypes and cliches peddled in the very first scene of the movie where a student, who has the hots for the hunky professor played by Jeff Bridges, claims that he had to be straight because he was "too boring to be gay".

NUTS was the movie that made me realize that Babs is, well, nuts. Her character's parents and lawyer kept referring to her as a girl or a young lady. Barbra was 45.

I'm the actual spit take Jeff Bridges did when he filmed the scene where Streisand tells him that she'd like to have sex with him that night. The poor man was terrified of director Babs forcing herself upon him during the sex scene. #hetoo.

I'm the leads' idiosyncratic way of eating food wherein I try to create the 'perfect bite', I am stolen from Meg Ryan's character's similar idiosyncratic way of eating in 'When Harry Met Sally', and am the stupidest 'character trait' in the history of cinema.

[quote]Her character's parents and lawyer kept referring to her as a girl or a young lady. Barbra was 45.

She stole that from Lucy. Lucy was a young lady and a girl in every one of her shows post I Love Lucy.

How does she continually lasso grade-A peen?

I'm the photograph of the "beautiful little girl" that Rose oh-so-conveniently discovers is her own photo and not her sister's.

We are Diana and Roslyn Kind. We want to categorically state that the mother and the sister in the movie are not based upon us. We have always been nothing but nice to Barbara (and cashing our checks).

Hannah and Claire do not resemble us in any way, shape or form. We'll, except maybe in looks. Barbara did want the look of the film to be authentic, so she chose a photo of her own dad for a scene and cast our doppelgangers (Miss Bacall and Ms Rogers) to play the characters who are NOT based on us.

I love threads like this because the LSA Gurls and the T psychos want nothing to do with them.

Oh, yeah. None of Bab's fans are gurls.

Diana was indeed the spitting image of Betty Bacall.

R79 was referring to the Lipstick Alley (LSA) lunatics R80

Only a a Jewish run industry would support Barbara’s narcissistic endeavors.

Roslyn was quite lovely.

Jesus Christ, this movie is nothing but a cheap ego-boost for that Toucan Sam-looking cow, isn't it?

What is she, the Menopausal Ugly Duckling? That castle in Malibu wasn't enough? An EGOT wasn't enough? Being the Jew that middle America loves and loves to hate wasn't enough? She had to make this piece of shit and show us all that she's as ugly on the inside as she is on the outside?

HALF sister

Diana is more Kathy Bates

I could see Thelma Ritter as Diana Kind.

'Roslyn was quite lovely.'

Why do you think she got ice cream?

I´m Miss Ross attending the premiere.

"I'm Jeff Bridges. Barbra couldn't score me in real life, similarly to every other leading man she had!"

We're Omar Sharif, Ryan O'Neal, Kris Kristofferson, and guess what?

Barbra did her best and most honest work on South Park.

I'm the relief felt that no children were raped by escaped convicts in this story.

I’m the cheap Vegas hooker in a vinyl titty dress who somehow lands on an Upper West Side street and steals Rose’s cab. I epitomize the image of the predatory husband-stealing slut feared by middle-aged women in the ‘90s.

R58 you do know you're not the only one who has access to Wikipedia, right?

R95 ok. What’s your point? You think you’re being witty? I was simply pulling over some details so no search was needed. Ugh an unfunny old Queen. Don’t you need to patrol the Antique Store for crooks rather than sitting in your booth harassing me?

I’m Claire’s gantse megillah wedding that’s going to feel like two hours.

I'm Mimi Rogers' teeth. You could show drive-in movies on me.

It’s absolutely hysterical that she thought this movie was Best Picture or Director worthy. Hysterical. Bacall’s performance isn’t even that great, she’s just vulnerable in one scene for like 20 seconds. It was a total career nod. The song was good.

Bacall being vulnerable for 20 seconds is a monumental achievement. Like building Hoover Dam.

I’m Barbra’s frequently neglected, unseen and lonely right-side screen profile. 😢

Which when you do see it looks no different from the left.

Does Barbra’s basement mall have a cineplex to screen this dreck?

Lauren could be attractive with the right lighting. But she often had a hard edge, like a really good transvestite.

She reminds me of a Praying Mantis.

#58/Paul, that is a really sketchy resume'.

R102 do you mean the dark side of the moon 🌚? That we never talk about and never ever mention what was seen there??

R104, yes it's just to the right of the B Dalton, across from the Jeans West. Be sure to stop at the Auntie Anne's/Orange Julius next to the Sbarro's in the food court for a cinnamon pretzel before you head in.

I am the bizarre lecture in an English literature class on why people fall in love. I have no relation whatsoever to the coursework and am basically cheap pop pyschology peddled by the ignorant professor.

If she had been a professor of physics she would presumably have had a lecture on why certain people can't pull off certain shades of clothing.

R109 Hollywood is especially egregious with the bullshit they think professors do at their job.

They think all professors wear tweed blazers and clunky jewelry, and write on chalkboards, and live in cute little houses overflowing with books. They think all professors are socially awkward geeks who simultaneously know everything and nothing.

I’m the gold sweater dress with matching cardigan Babs wore to the Oscar ceremony.

"I saw that movie. The mirror has two faces, four chins, a saggy ass, and some other shit. And that James Brolin? He looks like her grandson!"

We are the [italic] four [/italic] people it apparently took to write the pleasant but unremarkable Oscar-nominated song, "I Finally Found Someone". We lost to the British cunts Lloyd Webber and Rice

I’m the Preacher’s Wife being snubbed for my mothafucking dope ass songs. That Babs is just another boring white bitch.

Nippy, didn't you and your people get nominated at the GhettOscars aka the NAACP Awards?

Whitney won The Triumphant Spirit Award at the Essence Awards that year. I think TPTB in Hollywood weren’t about to award a Christian film, if you catch my drift.

I just watched it for the first time.The last 20 minutes felt like an eternity. They should have ended the movie with her getting hot just so she could dramatically reject Jeff Bridges. That would have been hilariously petty and relatable.

Why didn't Babs make a sequel to this? She could have had Rose (Barbra) find out that Geoffrey (Jeff) was a boring lay and then pine for Alex (Pierce) once again. Back to Mama (Bacall) to get insulted once more before eventually finding unexpected love and lust with the George Segal character.

In the final scene Babs and George Segal are seen role playing and the film ends with them pretending to be other people and introducing themselves to each other.

"Hello, I am Fred. Fred Sherman."

"Hello, Mr Sherman. I am Doris. Doris Wilgus."

"Pleased to meet you, Doris. Would you like to join me outdoors as we watch the sun spit morning?"

.... [italic] Fades to black[/italic]

[quote]But in the end, the message is simply that if a woman loses weight and wears make up and slimming, stylish clothing, men will fall in love with her and her life will finally be complete. No matter that she is already successful on her own.

R36 Because we all know being successful and unloved is as emotionally satisfying as being successful and loved.

[quote] I think TPTB in Hollywood weren’t about to award a Christian film, if you catch my drift.

Er, no one wants to see all that "I thank the Lord. Praise the Lord. Hallelujah! Amen! Thank you, Jesus." bullshit at the Oscars after some delusional nitwit wins an award. That garbage can remain at the People's Choice Awards, Country Music Awards, BET Awards, Image Awards or the Christian Music Awards.

I´m “Revised First Draft” September 7, 1991 that included this little gem.

Rose accepts the attention of one of her sexy students, Luke. He romances her on his rooftop, and they sleep together. Later, she tries to make her sister, Claire, jealous by telling her, “I fucked an eighteen year old blonde God the other night.”

Working title for this film: The Mirror Has Two Chins.

I am the illogical storyline where inside matters but changing your looks will be the most important thing to get a man.

I'm Mimi Rogers' lesbian fantasy!

And I have to hand it to Barbra for allowing a word like 'lesbian' in her movie since they make her very nervous. I assume someone explained to her was a 'lesbian fantasy' is...or was it lesbian orgy?

r54 Dudley Moore was supposed to play the George Segal part. He arrived on the set unable to play the part. People thought he was a drunk but he was really in the early stages of his death.

I think Babs has expressed guilt over firing him.

I'm Mimi Rogers, the B-Lister who taught Tom Cruise how to read and then got him into the Scientology Death Cult. I gave him his career.

I'm basically the Mother Mary to the spaceship people. Why, oh why, can't I get a fucking role in this town?

Even Anne Archer and Jenna Elfman get parts, and those twats didn't have to put up with Tommy's sweaty paws and bad sexual technique.

I'm the corny, unfunny dialog intended to make Barbra's character plucky, self-deprecating, endearing and adorable.

Hannah: "Why don't you wear some makeup?"

Rose: "What's the point? I'd still look like me, only in color."

I´m Carrie Fisher.

probably responsible for those lines

I am vain but still attractive Hannah Morgan who is irritated with my daughter Rose who is home all the damn time. She's what cruder people would call a cockblocker. Does she not know how many men still want to go to bed with me?

Unwatchable! Unbelievable!

"Only a a Jewish run industry would support Barbara’s narcissistic endeavors"

... and put Adam Driver in every film.

Zac Efron only has one Jewish grandparent.

I'm the sequel where Bab's spends two hours complaining about her mother Bacall. I'm The Mirror Has Two Faces lll. Babs spends another two hours complaining about her mother Bacall.

I'm Bryan "I'm Straight, Not Gay" Adams co-writing and singing a song with gay icon, Barbra Streisand for her new vanity project, er, I mean, film, The Mirror Has Two Faces.

We are Joan Allen, Barbara Hershey and Marianne Jean Baptiste. We hated going into Oscar night assuming that we would have to clap and pretend to look happy for that Bacall bitch.

We hated it even more that there was a sensational upset win in the category but it wasn't for any of us. That French Binoche bitch stole the Oscar for her snoozefest.

BTW I was cast first in Barbara Hershey's role in The Portrait of a Lady but dropped out. So really I have 22 nominations.

Is this the movie with the makeover montage that includes Barbra's character angrily eating a fucking carrot while using an exercise machine at the gym? The song played is some Richard Marx number.

There's also a scene where she's in a dressing room and her mother brings her a size 6 suit but Barbra's character yells that she needs a 4. As if.

I liked Lauren Bacall generally, she had a lot of style and presence, and stuff, but she was not a great actress. And that scene they always showed when she was a contender for the Oscar, that breakfast scene (I think it was), was not very good. It was just okay. She was not well cast as Streisand's mother (who'd believe it?), and besides, either she looked too young or Barbra looked too old. They almost looked like contemporaries.

What do you mean who'd believe it? Streisand does not look like her mother.

At 3:45 Barbra asks the interviewer if she liked the movie… just watch. Hahahahaha I’m surprised she didn’t implode.

You get to the see Bobbie's face from the same question after the 9:00 mark. Kudos to the interviewer for not lying.

R142 the Barbra Stans in the comments want her head

Is this as funny as NUTS?

[Quote] Women can be such pills to each other sometimes.

Someone needs to slap "David J" viciously.

[quote] Is this as funny as NUTS?

Not intentionally, no.

I'm the extremely slim pickings in the "Leading Actress in a Musical or Comedy" category at the Globes. Streisand actually gets a nomination for this vanity vehicle. Even worse, the block of wood, Madonna, actually wins for [italic] Evita [/italic].

Bobbie was shaking her head like a bobblehead and looked like she was lost in thought when Barbra asked if she liked it. She shook her head no and said "you know, it was different." I felt a little sorry for Barbra!

[quote]her mother brings her a size 6 suit but Barbra's character yells that she needs a 4. As if.

Mom brings her an 8 and she says "six".

Bobbie is in Oblivion, with Paul Rudnick, Lisa Eichorn, Larry Kramer, Lainie Kazan... You see how that works?

Betty is smart enough not to ask a follow up question after asking Bobbie if she'd seen the movie the previous night.

We can all be the students in the huge lecture hall, and Barbra knows each and every one of our first names. 'Great point, Jimmy"

Who is this Bobbie? Was she famous? What show was she on? She certainly got big interviews.

Wygant. Bobbie Wygant.

Bobbie and two old broads.

R155 what the fuck is that?

Bacall always came across so well in interviews. Too bad she was nothing like that off camera. Just a grumpy sour unhappy woman who treated you like dirt if you weren't an A-lister. I guess she never got over not being somebody who could carry a film. She could carry a musical but who really gives a shit about Broadway? Hollywood was what mattered. The same for Lucille Ball. You could be TV's biggest star ever but unless you're Hollywood royalty you might as well be dead.

Mom brings her a 4 and she says "2."

Mom brings her a 2 and she says "0."

[quote]She could carry a musical but who really gives a shit about Broadway? Hollywood was what mattered.

How ignorant and naïve you are, dipshit R157.

Guys, she asked her mom for a 00.

Nope you're the dipshit R160 and don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about. Not like you ever did. For a number of people being a star means being a movie star not a Broadway star. If that is beyond your comprehension keep your stupidity to yourself.

R162 = the insecurity is deafening

Bacall's insecurity goes back to her second film, a flop where she played an Englishwoman, none too convincingly. She was a sensation with her first picture. She never quite recovered. She was even upstaged by Clare Trevor in Key Largo, and almost by Martha Vickers (whose scenes were cut down) in The Big Sleep.

R163 the crushing stupidity, well we're talking about the force of a tsunami here.

I'm the scene near the end in which Barbra meets Brenda Vaccaro for lunch and condescendingly agrees to have some of BV's hamburger if BV shares her salad. Libby Gelman-Waxner pronounced me more hateful to women than anything in HUSTLER.

[quote] She was even upstaged by Clare Trevor in Key Largo, and almost by Martha Vickers (whose scenes were cut down) in The Big Sleep.

"Even upstaged"?? Claire was a much better actress than Bacall. LB was a sensation in "To Have and Have Not" but not because of her acting ability. Both Hawks and Bogart gave her a pass and her talent even then was minimal.

In Key Largo, LB was a nonentity. Even Bogart didn't have a lot there, but he did have the final confrontation with Robinson. Barrymore and Robinson were terrific in Key Largo. As was Trevor, of course, Oscar winning performance. But LB - barely there.

As for Martha Vickers - her character was much more interesting than LB's.

In fact, LB got a pass on much of her early career because of her connection first to Hawks and then Bogart. Without those 2 making it easy for her, she would have disappeared fairly quickly. She did OK in the 1950s with Designing Woman, How to Marry a Millionaire and some others.

Read the New York Times review (below) of 1945's "Confidential Agent", Bacall's 2nd film. Ouch. No Hawks or Bogart help on this one. And Boyer was not giving her the preferential treatment that she had gotten on her first picture.

But by and large, she's simply not particularly good.

That's why it's particularly ridiculous for her to have had such an attitude since her career is mainly due to her long dead husband.

[Quote] "Even upstaged"?? Claire was a much better actress than Bacall

Yes, but on screen actors' performances can be cut down, material taken away and given to other performers etc.

I loved both Yentl and The Prince of Tides but this movie was a piece of shit. It was such a disappointment after those two films. Babs is better at directing dramatic fare. This was a vanity project and it showed.

Bobbie made her career interviewing showbiz celebrities, but she doesn't seem very deep. She's unable to articulate why she found the movie meh.

She may be like my mother, who thinks all movies should be pretty: clothes, actors, houses... and everyone hugs in the end.

It's all just one big home shopping show!

I wonder if Bacall lost the Oscar because of her reputation or Barbra's. Nick Nolte was also favored to win for a Streisand film and didn't.

They must have really hated Streisand.

So beautiful.

Bacall lost because of Bacall. I don't think Barbra really was a factor.

[quote] Nick Nolte was also favored to win for a Streisand film and didn't. They must have really hated Streisand.

Nolte delivered an OK performance in a melodramatic soap opera and few people remember his performance or the character. Hopkins was absolutely the right choice in retrospect. Thirty years later his remains the most memorable performance from that year.

yes r174 but at the time he was considered a shocking win (especially since the role was so small.)

funny both his wins were shocks.

I am Barbra Streisand. I love to play the sexism card any time a mediocre performance or directing attempt doesn't get nominated for Oscars. I expect you to believe that Nuts, Prince of Tides and Mirror Has Two Faces were all Oscar-worthy cinematic masterpieces.

Did I mention (for the seventh time in the last 3 minutes) that Spielberg saw my finished cut of Yentl and told me, "Don't change a frame"? But the cruel media reported that he gave me advice to make it appear as though I could not have done it without a man. Step aside, Viola. I have suffered too and far more than you have!

The Academy director cutting to Barbra after Billy Crystal bitchslaps Barbra for not performing when Madonna did.

BTW where was Bryan Adams? Why didn't they have him sing the song solo?

I´m Debbie giving Babs, Madge and Courtney another roast from stage.

R165, "we" are not talking about anything. YOU are.

[Quote] She's unable to articulate why she found the movie meh.

Oh I don't think she was unable to articulate. She did not want to dig a hole any deeper. Her job relied on good will. It's surprising that she didn't just lie.

[Quote] She may be like my mother, who thinks all movies should be pretty: clothes, actors, houses... and everyone hugs in the end. It's all just one big home shopping show!

This makes no sense in light of "The Mirror Has Two Faces." It's hardly Italian Neorealism.

[quote]Nick Nolte was also favored to win for a Streisand film and didn't. They must have really hated Streisand.

Maybe they didn't like in and out of it drink/druggie Nolte. Nolte had an excellent scene or two, but his performance in Price of Tides is sooo hammy and overplayed imho. Of course that wouldn't disqualify any actor from winning an Oscar, but -

A large part of being popular with the Establishment - ANY Establishment - is your relationship with them off screen/off sets/outside of work. That means going to parties and events, knowing people's names, schmoozing, pretending you like them, sucking up. If one shuns this side of it, one is not going to be popular most of the time. Most, not all, of the time.

[quote]LB was a sensation in "To Have and Have Not" but not because of her acting ability.

What's wrong with you? You don't have to be an acting genius to have acting ability. There were greater actresses than Bacall, but that doesn't mean she wasn't talented. She was great in To Have And Have not. No one could have done what she did (and she was 18 years old). I have never thought she was some kind of brilliant actress but why can't we give credit where it's due? She starred in several hit shows, she wasn't some untalented mannequin.

But Hopkins doesn't sound like the type who'd smooze and go to parties. I think they just really liked Silence of the Lambs.

(but come on Hopkins is a supporting role. He's barely in it. Foster is clearly the sole lead.)

^ How do you know?

Well he just announced he's autistic for one r185.

He also just was never one you saw attending premieres and doing publicity seeking stuff.

He didn't even attend the ceremonies for his last like 3 nominations. This year he didn't even want to travel to London from Wales where they had a remote acceptance site set up. (granted he probably though Chadwick Boseman would win so why bother at his age.)

I like Nolte in Prince of Tides but the acting overall is very hammy. Everybody is playing to the back row. So much shouting.

I may be misremembering but it seemed a sure bet that Hopkins was going to win. Silence of the Lambs had so much buzz that year.

Hopkins performance is not only beloved but it's iconic and etched into pop culture forever.

No r187. Nolte had won the Globe and was expected to win. You can even tell by the way Hopkins thanks the other actors. There is a special sort of feeling in the way he says Nick Nolte.

Warren Beatty was said to have got up and shook Nolte's hand after Hopkins's speech.

Prince of Tides does have some hammy acting. Even the background noises of "typical" new yorkers yelling in traffic and stuff is so overdone.

Jason Gould actually gave the best performance I thought.

People on DL really need to learn how to spell schmooze.

I thought Gould was great in Prince of Tides r189. Yeah, it's nepotism but it paid off. He was perfect for the role.

I'm Jeff Bridges, looking befuddled for most of the movie but still handsome and sexy as hell.

I'm Lauren Bacall's son who was really really mad she lost the Oscar. (right after they announce the winner, he's next to her.)

I am the Manhattan Rose lives in. I seem to be the same city that the characters in "Friends" inhabit, made up only of Wasps and Jews. There are only two or three people of color on the entire island.

I'm Susan Richardson. I knew not to humiliate myself at the hands of Barbra for even a walk on appearance in the film.

We're the residents of the neighborhood that the closing scene of the film was set in. The bitch director took what seemed like a month to get the perfect take and was a goddamn nuisance. We wanted Greg to tell Rose in that scene that he had realized he was gay and he wanted a divorce so he could be with his man.

I am the closing scene itself and I am mortified.

I'm the unsexy baby talk Streisand employs whenever she's in a seduction scene mirroring back everything the guy says but not really listening bwuh bwuh bwuh

I am the embarrassing I have tits scene at the near end of this dreadful movie.

I missed that scene r199 (?)

R200, R199 should have said, "I am the embarrassing 'I have a padded push-up bra' scene at the near end"

Let's clear up a few things before we go on, shall we?

1.) Lauren Bacall WAS Hollywood A list royalty. Don't EVEN try and pretend otherwise. That woman became a legend when she married Bogart until the day she passed. There was a time when if you wanted to know what class and elegance meant, you looked at Lauren Bacall. And Diahann Carroll, but that's another story.

2.) The oscar snub was deliberate and mean spirited. But Bacall got hers in the end. Meanwhile, what happened to the one who won the oscar over Bacall? Faded into obscurity. A second rate actress who got lucky by winning an oscar over a bonafide legend.

3.) Spielberg told Barbra that Yentl was the best directed picture since Citizen Kane. That's a high honor. The fact that she wasn't nominated for anything for that movie is nothing short of pure and unadulterated sexism.

4.) Barbra is good looking. You don't snag the list of hot men she has if you're not attractive. Barbra is a beautiful woman who was lusted after by many in the industry.

That's like saying Janet Jackson was a genius. She was the sister of a genius.

Juliette Binoche has had a much better career than Lauren Bacall. You must be smoking something.

[Quote] Barbra is good looking. You don't snag the list of hot men she has if you're not attractive. Barbra is a beautiful woman who was lusted after by many in the industry.

Men went into rock to get laid. Babs availed of that too.

R204 = Juliette Binoche

What kind of great career did Bacall have onscreen after 1949? Third banana in a Monroe picture? A replacement for Grace Kelly in a rom-com? A-sub Laura Mars slasher? Coffee commercials? Her great achievements were three big Broadway hits, none of which were classics. She kept working. She could cover the maintenance fees at the Dakota.

How did cunt Bacall win in the end? A pruny, wrinkly old cunt who lost an Oscar for being a nasty cunt to others and would have had no career if she hadn't flashed her pussy to Bogart. That's how she is remembered - as a loser.

1.) Lauren Bacall WAS Hollywood A list royalty. Don't EVEN try and pretend otherwise. That woman became a legend when she married Bogart until the day she passed. There was a time when if you wanted to know what class and elegance meant, you looked at Lauren Bacall. And Diahann Carroll, but that's another story.

I'm Michèle Morgan in "Le miroir a deux faces" (1958). Barbra isn't even fit to wipe my shoes.

What’s all this business about Betty Joan Perske?

R202, your comment "Spielberg told Barbra that Yentl was the best directed picture since Citizen Kane," convinces me your absurd post is a joke. I certainly hope it is or your mental health is in question.

Haven't chimed in yet. I love Yentl. Didn't expect to. Found first 20 mins slow.

Love the final song and the final minute (including that aerial shot starting from the boat) is one of my favorite movie endings ever.

[quote]Barbra is good looking. You don't snag the list of hot men she has if you're not attractive

Good looking and attractive are not the same thing, R202. Babs used to be attractive under certain circumstances, but she was NEVER good looking. One can "snag" (are you my grandmother?) any man with enough cash, and Miss S had plenty of that. If she was merely Barbara from Brooklyn, those men wouldn't have spent the time of day with her. And they were around her and her money very briefly, she never had a long term relationship with any of these handsome heartthrobs, it was slam-bam thank you ma'am.

R213, this thread is not about Yentl.

Isn't that boat shot stolen from William Wyler?

I didn't see any boat shot in The Mirror Has Two faces.

Bobbie again, this time she likes Babs' film.

R218 the homophobia (or transphobia nowadays) came out, on Nick Nolte: “I have great chemistry with REAL men and he’s a REAL man.”

I'm the poor mirror that crack'd from side to side when ugly duckling Barbara Joan looked in me. I don't have two faces. The bitch saw the giant crack and cried, "The curse is come upon me. The mirror has two faces!"

Babs does give the impression of being more involved with Brolin's family than with Jason. 'I'm a grandmother!' Well sort of.

Have you seen the way she SMOTHERS that grandchild? There's a #2 now...#1 is probably saying YAH!

I wonder if she ever puts on her old leather bar outfit.

I could have used a rich Jewish grandmother. No not really. My poor Italian one was great.

Is James Brolin's first wife still alive? If so I wonder how she feels about Babs calling the kids her grandchildren.

I remember her talking about adopting a kid and making sure it would be a girl. She seemed to never get around to it, just like directing more movies.

Had she done it when she first met Brolin like she planned the kid would be grown by now (and could play Gypsy Rose Lee in Gypsy.)

Streisand seems to have procrastination issues. I wonder what she does all day? Walks around pointing out weeds to the gardener?

R225 this made laugh aloud

James Brolin's first wife died in 1995, when she was 55 and already a grandma to Josh's two kids by HIS first wife... but before Barbra married James.

However, James' second wife, TV icon, Jan Smithers is still living...

Barbra doesn't talk to the child of James Brolin and Jan Smithers.

I am having trouble finding the article by Paul Rudnick. Down anyone have a link? Thanks.

R230 only snippets are available. I actually have it, just have to dictate it to type then I’ll post it here.

Did the Streisand Basement Galleria Mall have special Labor Day sales?

You're an angel, r231. Thank you in advance!

R233

Je suis Lauren.

John Ford came back from the dead to tell Barbra that Yentl was the greatest film ever made!

If Yentl came out in the 1990s, Babs would claim Quentin Tarantino told her it was as good as Gone with the Wind. She attaches herself to what's popular at any given time,

r237 Tarantino has such shitty taste that him actually saying that wouldn't have been out of the realm of possibility.

Doesn't matter, R238. He was POPULAR.

I am Betty's Oscar: a mirage, a figment, an illusion, a final diss.

I'm the reference to TMHTF in Buyer and Cellar, which describes Lauren Bacall's performance as having "the desperate sincerity of a hostage video".

r238 I already got it. dipshit. I was just saying.

Vera Hruba Ralston should have played the part of the mother.

r231: Just saw your post. That'd the sweetest thing you did - for all of us.

xxxxx Thank You!

I didn't think that Rudnick piece was all that funny but thanks to the DLer who shared it.

I am the awful decor in Rose's bedroom at her mom's apartment. The furnishings seem to have been sourced from a basement shopping mall in Malibu owned by the director.

r246 The pillows and candles were from Pier One.

R247, I didn't know Barbra had a Pier One in her mall, I wonder if it's near the Lerner's New York or the Chess King

We are the 37 takes it took Miss Bacall to film the scene where Hannah admits to feeling jealous of Rose and tells her she was pretty. Miss Bacall couldn't keep a straight face and the scene had to be reshot repeatedly. Eventually the director got a usable take out of the veteran by casually saying, "Betty, did you know Dudley Moore was originally in this film? Did I ever tell you what happened to him?"