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Kabul Has Fallen

U.S. PENTAGON PRESS SECRETARY CONFIRMS EXPLOSION OUTSIDE KABUL AIRPORT

by Anonymousreply 472September 14, 2021 12:12 AM

Sorry. That was me.

by Anonymousreply 1August 26, 2021 1:57 PM

This gets worse by the hour.

by Anonymousreply 2August 26, 2021 2:06 PM

More statues? An entire art museum?

by Anonymousreply 3August 26, 2021 2:07 PM

Airport?

by Anonymousreply 4August 26, 2021 2:08 PM

Suicide bomber. At least 15 injured.

by Anonymousreply 5August 26, 2021 2:08 PM

Per BBC's live updates, the gate was closed at the time due to previous threats. Hopefully very few people were there.

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by Anonymousreply 6August 26, 2021 2:12 PM

In twenty years of U.S. occupation, with all the money we poured into it and all the military and contractors and mercenaries and paid collaborators, Kabul was the only part of Afghanistan that was ever under our control. And the minute we lifted a finger to leave, the "government" we'd been keeping in place did a vanishing act. We were never serious about nation building and liberating women and all that crap. We were there so a few well-placed millionaires could become billionaires.

by Anonymousreply 7August 26, 2021 2:14 PM

Indeed, this is inauspicious.

I'll make some coffee and cake.

by Anonymousreply 8August 26, 2021 2:20 PM

[quote] Suicide bomb' blast at Kabul airport: 'Casualties are unclear at this time' Pentagon says following explosion which came hours after warning of imminent ISIS attack targeting evacuation operation

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by Anonymousreply 9August 26, 2021 2:20 PM

Mighty Joe strikes again.

by Anonymousreply 10August 26, 2021 2:25 PM

[quote] We were never serious about nation building and liberating women and all that crap.

Neither were the Afghans. But they sure as fuck were VERY serious about bilking the very rich but oh so gullible Americans out of all the money they could.

by Anonymousreply 11August 26, 2021 2:25 PM

Absolute shithole.

Get the Americans out and don’t look back.

by Anonymousreply 12August 26, 2021 2:26 PM

The great thing about DL is that you know the reality is always going to be about 10% as bad as the hisssstrionic homosexual OP makes it out to be.

by Anonymousreply 13August 26, 2021 2:28 PM

Reuters reporting two or three US military personnel injured

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by Anonymousreply 14August 26, 2021 2:32 PM

That’s because we hardly applied ourselves in Afghanistan, r7. Went in on the cheap in 2001 mostly using Afghan warlord factions as cannon fodder. Then sent relatively small numbers of occupying troops.

The us could have made more of a difference if it had basically dominated the government and sent a massive occupation force. It would have been a huge undertaking. For what? What is the vital us interest in that god forsaken country?

Would you be willing to join up and go over there and possibly get shot dead in order to turn Afghanistan into a western country? I mean, you do say WE after all.

The US absolutely did not invade Afghanistan to run a war racket. Why Afghanistan? Iraq? Yes. Afghanistan? No. We invaded because Bin Laden worked out of there. The country is worthless otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 15August 26, 2021 2:39 PM

[quote] Mighty Joe strikes again.

Sorry defacturd, but this is 1000% Trump’s plan. Don’t let the facts get in your way though, you boring troll. They never do.

by Anonymousreply 16August 26, 2021 2:42 PM

[quote]The us could have made more of a difference if it had basically dominated the government and sent a massive occupation force

Because that worked so well for the Soviets.

by Anonymousreply 17August 26, 2021 2:42 PM

The Taliban is the government of Afghanistan now. This is their country to deal with. Almost all of our people have left. We're getting out of a lost cause.

by Anonymousreply 18August 26, 2021 2:42 PM

The US did better in Afghanistan with a light occupation than the Soviets ever did with a massive intervention. So apples and oranges.

by Anonymousreply 19August 26, 2021 2:43 PM

[quote]The country is worthless otherwise.

Uh, no. The country has vast oil and mineral wealth. Which the Chinese are moving in to happily exploit.

by Anonymousreply 20August 26, 2021 2:43 PM

R19 Then why did you just suggest sending a huge occupation force?

by Anonymousreply 21August 26, 2021 2:44 PM

The ONLY conqueror/occupier that did well was the Muslims. Go in, force everyone to become Muslims. Et voila! You cease to be an occupier.

by Anonymousreply 22August 26, 2021 2:45 PM

Are we the Soviets, r21?

by Anonymousreply 23August 26, 2021 2:45 PM

And the Taliban will not be able to govern now that it’s unifying force, resistance to the Americans, is gone. The “Taliban” is just a religious rebranding of the typical Afghan coalition of rival tribal forces. They will be at each other’s throats before too long.

by Anonymousreply 24August 26, 2021 2:46 PM

Alexander the Great couldn't win in Afganistan. It's been the graveyard of empires for centuries. They'll be lots of time to assess if Biden acted correctly. We have to see how things deevelop there. Worse outcome , it becomes a haven for terrorists who attack the U.S. and US interests around the globe.

by Anonymousreply 25August 26, 2021 2:47 PM

What R16 said.

But add to it that the Afghan president FLED THE COUNTRY. That's not Biden's fault. The Afghan president fled.

by Anonymousreply 26August 26, 2021 2:47 PM
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by Anonymousreply 27August 26, 2021 2:48 PM

R23 What do you think you're proving by asking that? So you think the US did so well with its light occupation but also that the US failed and should've sent a massive occupation if it wanted to do it properly? In other words you have no clue what you're talking about.

by Anonymousreply 28August 26, 2021 2:49 PM

False flag? "OMG 13 kids dead, we need to go back in and FIGHT!"

by Anonymousreply 29August 26, 2021 2:49 PM

[quote] Uh, no. The country has vast oil and mineral wealth.

Uh no. Afghanistan has about 2 billion gallons of oil. Saudi has 270 billion gallons of oil. So, where should an oil based foreign policy focus its efforts? On 2 or 270?

by Anonymousreply 30August 26, 2021 2:50 PM

This is some scary Life Alert shit.

by Anonymousreply 31August 26, 2021 2:50 PM

I don’t know if I buy the idea that the Chinese are going to get their hands on Afghanistan’s mineral wealth.

China generally requires broad concessions from any country in which the build infrastructure and I just don’t see the Taliban bowing to them, or anyone else. Particularly when you take into account the fact the the Chinese are currently holding Muslims in concentration camps not terribly far away from the Afghan border.

by Anonymousreply 32August 26, 2021 2:52 PM

R30 The response was to the erroneous use of the word "worthless". It isn't.

by Anonymousreply 33August 26, 2021 2:52 PM

Why would terrorists need a 'haven'? And if they don't play nice- avoid human rights violations, refrain from building nukes- the world can sanction them to filth.

It's not 2001 anymore.

by Anonymousreply 34August 26, 2021 2:52 PM

[quote] [R23] What do you think you're proving by asking that?

The US is not the Soviets. Afghanistan was the Soviet Vietnam because the soldiers were conscripts and poorly motivated. Each death echoed through society. The military was indoctrinated to fight the Americans and Chinese, not determined guerilla tribesmen.

The US military doctrine was quite effective at suppressing the Taliban. The doctrine abd troop training were right for the job. When we had significant forces there the Taliban were contained. More forces would have eradicated them.

by Anonymousreply 35August 26, 2021 2:55 PM

[quote]China generally requires broad concessions from any country in which the build infrastructure and I just don’t see the Taliban bowing to them, or anyone else.

It's Asia. China will pay the warlords a shitload of money, the warloads will say thank you very much, have at it. As long as China continues to pay, the warlords will continue to play along.

by Anonymousreply 36August 26, 2021 2:55 PM

It’s utterly worthless, r33. Taking the resources would cost more than they are worth.

by Anonymousreply 37August 26, 2021 2:55 PM

Suicide bomber? The taliban won.

by Anonymousreply 38August 26, 2021 2:56 PM

R35 Yeah, of course, more more more would've won. Own shares in defence contractors by any chance?

by Anonymousreply 39August 26, 2021 2:56 PM

We did not invade Afghanistan after 9/11 to go after bin Laden and Al Qaeda, we invaded to mollify the American people after 9/11 and simultaneously feed the military-industrial complex. As Obama showed 10 years later, we could get bin Laden and his organization through covert operations... but it's a hell of a lot cheaper to do it that way than to spend $1 trillion (at least), the majority of which is either in corrupt middle eastern hands or corrupt war profiteer's hands. Throwing more US military forces at a guerrilla warriors is not a prescription for success, it is a war profiteer's dream.

by Anonymousreply 40August 26, 2021 2:57 PM

R37 I'm sure the Chinese took that into consideration in their rush to began negotiations with the warlords.

by Anonymousreply 41August 26, 2021 2:57 PM

R35, yep. Nope.

by Anonymousreply 42August 26, 2021 2:58 PM

R16 Yes Trump did negotiate a suspect withdrawal, but when Biden wants to he ignores what Trump did, for instance remain in Mexico policy etc. Biden did a poor job in withdrawing from Afghanistan, I say this as someone who voted for him, and will probably still vote for Democrats, even if I don't agree with all their decisions, as the Republicans seemed to be possessed.

by Anonymousreply 43August 26, 2021 2:59 PM

R40, we invaded to get Bin Laden, and came within a hair’s breadth of doing so.

Even though he escaped, he spent the next decade basically under house arrest.

by Anonymousreply 44August 26, 2021 3:00 PM

[quote]More forces would have eradicated them.

Then the US would have been fighting the next bunch of warlords who came to power because the Taliban was no longer there to stop them.

by Anonymousreply 45August 26, 2021 3:00 PM

Agree r40. It was pure blood lust and that blood lust is now sated. It's long past the point that war had any point at all. Good for Joe Biden for finally admitting the obvious and ending this stupid charade.

by Anonymousreply 46August 26, 2021 3:00 PM

Ooh, I do hope China is the next fool to walk into the Afghanitrap. I'll make the popcorn!

by Anonymousreply 47August 26, 2021 3:01 PM

The whole invasion was stupid.

by Anonymousreply 48August 26, 2021 3:02 PM

[quote]I say this as someone who voted for him, and will probably still vote for Democrats

This never, ever convinces anyone. I don't know why you guys still say it, it just wastes everybody's time.

by Anonymousreply 49August 26, 2021 3:03 PM

Republican Mary OP!

by Anonymousreply 50August 26, 2021 3:03 PM

R47 China wants to exploit Afghanistan's mineral wealth. They don't give a flying fuck if the warlords live in the10th century or that they fuck little boys.

by Anonymousreply 51August 26, 2021 3:03 PM

There's been a second explosion.

by Anonymousreply 52August 26, 2021 3:03 PM

He came with a "hair's breadth" because Bush withdrew troops to go to Iraq, and in doing so, he revealed the true intent of our Afghanistan folly. And, by the way, how do we know that we almost got bin Laden in Tora Bora? Oh, that's right... covert operations reporting after the fact. round with him?

by Anonymousreply 53August 26, 2021 3:04 PM

[quote] the fact the the Chinese are currently holding Muslims in concentration camps not terribly far away from the Afghan border.

I've been researching this stuff, and there really aren't concentration camps. It's not like that, but I'm not sure how to convince you.

by Anonymousreply 54August 26, 2021 3:06 PM

Second explosion was at a hotel near the airport gate.

by Anonymousreply 55August 26, 2021 3:06 PM

How did Gayle King become a CBS new anchor? Anyway, she's interrupting The Price is Right with this memo.

by Anonymousreply 56August 26, 2021 3:07 PM

[quote] They don't give a flying fuck if the warlords live in the10th century or that they fuck little boys.

And neither do we, really. We are perfectly happy with Saudi Arabia and all the Gulf countries being complete assholes. And many other countries around the world as well. It's a nice little story we like to tell ourselves, but we really don't give a damn about most shit going on around the world. Except when we feel like bombing something, for other reasons. Then we pretend to care.

by Anonymousreply 57August 26, 2021 3:10 PM

R54 They're re-education camps. Where Uyghurs are harangued by cadres day and night about the "proper" way to think. Exactly like on DL.

by Anonymousreply 58August 26, 2021 3:10 PM

R56, by licking Oprah’s taint, that’s how.

And by holding a few *cards*.

by Anonymousreply 59August 26, 2021 3:12 PM

I love it when people say the US invasion was imperialist yet did not exploit this supposed cornucopia of natural resources. Yes that certainly makes a lot of sense!

by Anonymousreply 60August 26, 2021 3:13 PM

FOLLIES!

by Anonymousreply 61August 26, 2021 3:14 PM

[quote] Second explosion was at a hotel near the airport gate.

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by Anonymousreply 62August 26, 2021 3:14 PM

[quote]And neither do we, really. We are perfectly happy with Saudi Arabia and all the Gulf countries being complete assholes.

Realpolitik 1A. We're perfectly happy to turn a blind eye when it's in our interest to do so.

by Anonymousreply 63August 26, 2021 3:18 PM

Turning a blind eye to another country's internal affairs is not a bad thing.

by Anonymousreply 64August 26, 2021 3:19 PM

The best assessment of this mess I’ve seen

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by Anonymousreply 65August 26, 2021 3:21 PM

R64 It's all hypocritical horseshit. We'll keep quiet about A because it's in our interests to do so. We'll squeal in outrage about B, because it assuages our guilt at keeping quiet about A.

by Anonymousreply 66August 26, 2021 3:22 PM
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by Anonymousreply 67August 26, 2021 3:22 PM

Been there done that.

by Anonymousreply 68August 26, 2021 3:24 PM

[quote]He came with a "hair's breadth" because Bush withdrew troops to go to Iraq, and in doing so, he revealed the true intent of our Afghanistan folly. And, by the way, how do we know that we almost got bin Laden in Tora Bora?

R53 Mattis gives an account of it in "Call Sign Chaos" -- It's chilling to think we could have gotten bin Laden in Tora Bora before he escaped to Pakistan.

by Anonymousreply 69August 26, 2021 3:25 PM

MANY fatalities, not just casualties. Peter Bergen CNN

by Anonymousreply 70August 26, 2021 3:26 PM

Can we now stop pretending that the foreign policy geniuses of the past 30+ years know what they're doing? Enough warmongering.

by Anonymousreply 71August 26, 2021 3:27 PM

Glad we're getting out of there. Fuck Afghans, they're savages.

by Anonymousreply 72August 26, 2021 3:28 PM

Who gives 2 fucks?

by Anonymousreply 73August 26, 2021 3:28 PM

Yeah, we missed Bin Laden, and then Bush started talking about how little he thought about him. We were on to our next excellent adventure in Iraq and nobody was supposed to give a shit about bin Laden anymore. What a sick joke this whole thing has been. Glad it's finally ending.

by Anonymousreply 74August 26, 2021 3:28 PM

I don't care, do you?

by Anonymousreply 75August 26, 2021 3:30 PM

Strap Trump to MOAB 2 and drop it on Haibatullah Akhundzada. Win-win.

by Anonymousreply 76August 26, 2021 3:30 PM

Gentlemen, you know and I know that the next time the Sauds or the al Sabahs get panicky about their absolute control and power, they'll be on the horn to their white slaves the US, and the US will be heading back to the region. The only imponderable is the "excuse" for doing it. Should be a doozy, akin to Bush's "bringing democracy to Iraq".

by Anonymousreply 77August 26, 2021 3:31 PM

Can it get up?

by Anonymousreply 78August 26, 2021 3:31 PM

[quote]Can we now stop pretending that the foreign policy geniuses of the past 30+ years know what they're doing?

One of the challenges of dealing with the current resistance to scientific expertise in terms of climate change, covid, et al is that the "experts" the government has relied on in other areas have proven completely inept.

by Anonymousreply 79August 26, 2021 3:33 PM

R77 has given you the only reason you need to make your next vehicle ELECTRIC.

by Anonymousreply 80August 26, 2021 3:33 PM

China isn't falling into any trap. The average IQ of their leaders is substantially higher than our leaders'. They also see the angles better than we do. They keep 5000 years of history in mind in every decision.

[quote] When I was in elementary school in China in the 1930s, I remember learning about Zhang Qian’s expedition to central Asia [in ~130 BC], including present-day Afghanistan, in the Han dynasty. While this expedition is remembered mostly for establishing the Silk Road, the trade route linking China with the West, Zhang also shared his experience of the rivalries and conflicts that dominated the region; China’s engagement there was focused on trade, not conquest.

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by Anonymousreply 81August 26, 2021 3:34 PM

R32 this is one pretty informative video. A good introduction. It's engaging: he speaks well. Take it or leave it, of course. Up to you.

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by Anonymousreply 82August 26, 2021 3:37 PM

Also this one is interesting. Very balanced, in my opinion.

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by Anonymousreply 83August 26, 2021 3:48 PM

What did you think was going to happen? A 4th of July parade? The US has unsuccessfully fought in Afghanistan for almost 20 years. Dubya sent us over there to funnel trillion$ of give money to contractors, including his own family. 9/11 was a bunch of barely educated Saudi dupes committing a “Pearl Harbor type” situation in order to go into 2 countries unrelated to the bombers and extract oil & minerals by military contractors. Only 2016, only 25% of personnel on the ground were members of US military. 75% were military contractors using 70% foreign citizens as employees (mostly Afghanis). That’s what your taxes paid for. A drilling and min8ng scheme by contractors employing locals to extract wealth you’ll never get a piece of.

So of course Kabul will be transferred to someone else. We never fucking cared about the Taliban to begin with. We FOUNDED the Taliban in the 1980s to fight the USSR. Most Americans weren’t born or hadn’t emigrated to the US during the time Dan Rather went behind the lines with jihadis on 60 minutes. It was a huge thing watching Rather dressed in Afghan clothing

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by Anonymousreply 84August 26, 2021 3:51 PM

How does this fucking affect any of you freeper cunt fucks who are flicking your nipples as you type?

by Anonymousreply 85August 26, 2021 3:53 PM

Video of bodies piled up in a sewage canal outside the airport gate explosion site.

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by Anonymousreply 86August 26, 2021 3:53 PM

Biden better have the military speed this up. Or just head home now.

by Anonymousreply 87August 26, 2021 3:57 PM

Sorry - Biden *might want to consider having the military

by Anonymousreply 88August 26, 2021 3:58 PM

To clarify, the bodies weren't moved to a sewage canal, the bombing happened in the canal. It was an empty canal being used for people who were standing in line after going through some preliminary processing.

by Anonymousreply 89August 26, 2021 4:00 PM

Actually I should clarify that I saw a second video a minute ago and there was water, so some canals weren't empty, but I believe the people in the canal were blown into it from the blast. I don't think people have been standing in sewage while waiting in line.

by Anonymousreply 90August 26, 2021 4:04 PM

I used to like Ezra and thought he was kind of cute. When did he become a war historian? Who asked for his opinion, here? Why can't he write succinctly without big words? He's such a inflated blowhard now.

by Anonymousreply 91August 26, 2021 4:05 PM

R91, Ezra Klein?

by Anonymousreply 92August 26, 2021 4:08 PM

“Kabul Has Fallen,” OP? Really? To whom?

by Anonymousreply 93August 26, 2021 4:08 PM

Is Grindr down???!!!

by Anonymousreply 94August 26, 2021 4:13 PM

More video from this freelance journalist at the scene.

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by Anonymousreply 95August 26, 2021 4:15 PM

Yes Ezra Klein. R65 had linked to an opinion piece.

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by Anonymousreply 96August 26, 2021 4:15 PM

I referred to that video at r95 earlier and didn't post it because it was graphic. Both videos posted so far are GRAPHIC. Just know that before clicking.

by Anonymousreply 97August 26, 2021 4:17 PM

How many virgins does a Muslim suicide bomber (redundant, I know) got for blowing up muslims?

by Anonymousreply 98August 26, 2021 4:21 PM

Was a full-scale invasion and overthrow of the Taliban in 2001 absolutely necessary in the first place?

by Anonymousreply 99August 26, 2021 4:21 PM

Why, yes it was, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 100August 26, 2021 4:23 PM

R98 72 Virgins

by Anonymousreply 101August 26, 2021 4:28 PM

It’s IsisK

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by Anonymousreply 102August 26, 2021 4:29 PM

It’s ISHIPIKSH

by Anonymousreply 103August 26, 2021 4:31 PM

Watching the videos at R86 and R95 make me incredibly sad. The taking of innocent human life is a great evil, and that's exactly what these Taliban, Isis, Al Qaeda, etc, fucks are. Pure evil.

by Anonymousreply 104August 26, 2021 4:31 PM

*makes

by Anonymousreply 105August 26, 2021 4:32 PM

A fair bit of damage

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by Anonymousreply 106August 26, 2021 4:36 PM

[quote]I've been researching this stuff, and there really aren't concentration camps.

[quote]China isn't falling into any trap. The average IQ of their leaders is substantially higher than our leaders'. They also see the angles better than we do. They keep 5000 years of history in mind in every decision.

I've never believed there were that many paid trolls on this site, but this absolutely SCREAMS "paid troll."

by Anonymousreply 107August 26, 2021 4:41 PM

I don’t understand why we can’t win JUST ONE war. Just one. We spend trillions of taxpayer money on the military and this is what we get. After 20 years, did we at least get a Costco or WalMart set up? A Starbucks? Even just a Panda Express or strip mall?

by Anonymousreply 108August 26, 2021 4:44 PM

R107, block me then. I've been reading Kishore Mahbubani, Martin Jacques, and others. I've been learning stuff. Sorry you were so triggered by a Yellow Peril flashback that you had to block me and look me up. Didn't you see all the other non-China stuff?

But keep your mind closed. I'm sure it's put you on top of the world, the successful all-American billionaire that you are.

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by Anonymousreply 109August 26, 2021 4:45 PM

R108, nothing. Not one American or global retailer outlet.

by Anonymousreply 110August 26, 2021 4:46 PM

Ok R104 Please add USA to the list of evil because USA is responsible for 460,000 war casualties in IRAQ.

Afghan civilian casualties in 20 years: 47,245.

Neither war justified. SO FUCK OFF if you can't distribute blame and shame to all deserving parties.

by Anonymousreply 111August 26, 2021 4:49 PM

[quote]fter 20 years, did we at least get a Costco or WalMart set up?

At one point, the Bagram airbase had a Burger King, Green Beans Coffee, Pizza Hut, Subway and more.

by Anonymousreply 112August 26, 2021 4:49 PM

I've been researching this stuff, and I've come to the conclusion that a grilled cheese sandwich just wouldn't be complete without Kraft Singles(TM).

by Anonymousreply 113August 26, 2021 4:49 PM

I totally disagree, r113.

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by Anonymousreply 114August 26, 2021 5:01 PM

Four Marines killed as per WSJ. Oy!

by Anonymousreply 115August 26, 2021 5:04 PM

The WSJ report (article is paywalled.)

[quote] The U.S. ambassador in Kabul has told staff there that four U.S. Marines were killed in an explosion at the city’s airport and three wounded, a U.S. official with knowledge of the briefing said.

If this is true Biden is FUCKED. Those Marines were there because of him.

CNN reporting “a number of US servicemen were killed.”

by Anonymousreply 116August 26, 2021 5:17 PM
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by Anonymousreply 117August 26, 2021 5:17 PM

Are you the Biden is FUCKED troll, r116? You just come off as mentally challenged.

by Anonymousreply 118August 26, 2021 5:19 PM

Pentagon confirms “a number of US servicemembers were killed.”

by Anonymousreply 119August 26, 2021 5:21 PM

His approval rating will plunge even further now.

by Anonymousreply 120August 26, 2021 5:21 PM

And then it will go back up. What's your point, r120?

by Anonymousreply 121August 26, 2021 5:23 PM

Bumbling Joe Biden has blood on his hands now.

by Anonymousreply 122August 26, 2021 5:23 PM

[quote]Those Marines were there because of him.

There's just no reasoning with someone as stupid as you.

by Anonymousreply 123August 26, 2021 5:25 PM

R116. You are deeply stupid. Or a bad liar.

by Anonymousreply 124August 26, 2021 5:27 PM

The two are not mutually exclusive r124.

Add fat, and r116 has a trifecta on his hands.

by Anonymousreply 125August 26, 2021 5:29 PM

[quote]If this is true Biden is FUCKED. Those Marines were there because of him.

Now tell us how many U.S. personnel died in Afghanistan during Trump's tenure. And how deeply you cared about their deaths.

by Anonymousreply 126August 26, 2021 5:31 PM

Military personnel die in war zones? Unheard of until today.

by Anonymousreply 127August 26, 2021 5:32 PM

The problem here is the all-volunteer military.

Reinstate compulsory military service and a draft and a whole lot of shit will change for the better.

by Anonymousreply 128August 26, 2021 5:34 PM

Four dead American troops confirmed by Pentagon, and others wounded.

Everyone knew that an ISIS-K attack was likely if not imminent.

Had evacuations been quietly begun months earlier, there would be far fewer people crowding the gates and inside the airport.

Exiting the foolhardy Afghan experiment was correct. The handling of the exit was abysmal.

Biden gets credit for calling an end to involvement in Afghanistant.

He also gets the blame for how hastily and tardily the evacuation took place. Those dead American troops are going to be very, very bad optics for him.

by Anonymousreply 129August 26, 2021 5:35 PM

R128 Agreed! All males 18-34 must serve 2 years - mandatory.

by Anonymousreply 130August 26, 2021 5:36 PM

r122 - He isn't Lady Macbeth, troll.

by Anonymousreply 131August 26, 2021 5:37 PM

ISIS suicide bombers attacking civilians in Afghanistan? Unheard of until today.

by Anonymousreply 132August 26, 2021 5:37 PM

The Middle East is so fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 133August 26, 2021 5:40 PM

We have to stop being dependent on oil and let the ME blow themselves up once and for all.

by Anonymousreply 134August 26, 2021 5:44 PM

r133 is the reason the word understatement was invented.

by Anonymousreply 135August 26, 2021 5:47 PM

Thanks, Joe. They didn't threaten until YOU started this. You have the blood of our soldiers on your hands, but you'll never admit it.

by Anonymousreply 136August 26, 2021 5:48 PM
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by Anonymousreply 137August 26, 2021 5:51 PM

I've decided to avoid threads on this event for a few days as it is nothing but peak trolling. Ta!

by Anonymousreply 138August 26, 2021 5:51 PM

R136 can't possibly believe that there were no ISIS suicide bombers killing civilians in Afghanistan until now.

by Anonymousreply 139August 26, 2021 5:52 PM

Love the absolute fury of the defenders of Our Joe at anyone who dares criticize their hero.

So what will the final death toll of the killed servicemembers be? And how many were wounded, and how seriously? All we know of either is “a number of..”

by Anonymousreply 140August 26, 2021 5:53 PM

You have toilet paper on the bottom of your shoe, r136.

by Anonymousreply 141August 26, 2021 5:53 PM

R140 They’re the blue equivalent of Trump supporters they, can’t accept any criticism of dear leader.

by Anonymousreply 142August 26, 2021 5:55 PM

Photo of the scene just prior to the attack. That canal is now piled with bodies.

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by Anonymousreply 143August 26, 2021 5:57 PM

Four U.S. Marines and civilians killed.

by Anonymousreply 144August 26, 2021 5:59 PM

Care to discuss the Kurds in Syria, r140? Or how about Yemen, Niger, and Somalia? Any of the trolls on this thread want to discuss those?

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by Anonymousreply 145August 26, 2021 5:59 PM

We are leaving this hellhole in 5 days. Maybe I am naive but doesn't this make a neat, packaged departure less likely? Americans were killed. Maybe they secretly want us to remain? Why now when thy were going to be rid of in five lousy days.

by Anonymousreply 146August 26, 2021 6:00 PM

Holy Mary Mother of God those videos are horrible. I wish Id never watched them. You cant unsee shit like that once you see it.

by Anonymousreply 147August 26, 2021 6:03 PM

So what now, Joe? What will our “swift and decisive response” be?

Your move.

by Anonymousreply 148August 26, 2021 6:05 PM

[quote] Would you fuck off with this “mighty Joe Biden” bullshit, OP? “Mighty Joe Biden” is not and will not be a thing no matter how hard you try to make it happen.

[quote] Video of bodies piled up in a sewage canal outside the airport gate explosion site.

[quote] More video from this freelance journalist at the scene.

[quote] The WSJ report (article is paywalled.) If this is true Biden is FUCKED. Those Marines were there because of him. CNN reporting “a number of US servicemen were killed.”

[quote] Pentagon confirms “a number of US servicemembers were killed.”

[quote] Bumbling Joe Biden has blood on his hands now.

[quote] Love the absolute fury of the defenders of Our Joe at anyone who dares criticize their hero. So what will the final death toll of the killed servicemembers be? And how many were wounded, and how seriously? All we know of either is “a number of..”

[quote] Photo of the scene just prior to the attack. That canal is now piled with bodies.

Troll!

by Anonymousreply 149August 26, 2021 6:06 PM

The hundreds of people ISIL killed in Afghanistan before Biden even took office are somehow less dead than these people, I suppose.

by Anonymousreply 150August 26, 2021 6:07 PM

Four servicemen killed vs. how many during the previous three administrations? Some of you need to put down the crack pipe.

There's an excellent piece in the NY Times by David Leonhardt that you "Biden is dead meat" Cassandras should read before typing another word.

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by Anonymousreply 151August 26, 2021 6:08 PM

[quote]Gentlemen, you know and I know that the next time the Sauds or the al Sabahs get panicky about their absolute control and power, they'll be on the horn to their white slaves the US, and the US will be heading back to the region. The only imponderable is the "excuse" for doing it.

You know, I really think this kind of thing is over. If a President started rattling the saber about another military excursion in the Middle East, I really think many politicians wouldn't stand for it like they did with Iraq and Afghanistand, and the American public would be out in the streets. We've all seen how this shit plays out, we know it's futile, and we're beyond sick of it and the Middle East itself.

by Anonymousreply 152August 26, 2021 6:08 PM

@TreyYingst

BREAKING: 10 U.S. service members killed in Kabul blasts, @JenGriffinFNC

reports

by Anonymousreply 153August 26, 2021 6:09 PM

Bored of the whole topic. Thank God a hurricane is forming in the Gulf.

by Anonymousreply 154August 26, 2021 6:09 PM

So it will come down to Taliban vs. ISIS.

ISIS thinks the Taliban is too moderate.

by Anonymousreply 155August 26, 2021 6:09 PM

[quote]Maybe they secretly want us to remain?

ISIS? No, they were mad that the Taliban took over, and that they went into the jails in Kabul and killed a lot of ISIS members and a few leaders.

I suppose they might want the U.S. to remain because they think we'll take out the Taliban, but I doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 156August 26, 2021 6:12 PM

R39 I am not the person you responded to but I suspect you might be someone I'm talking to in another thread and I just want to ask if you understand what conversation is. It's possible to discuss something, or point out a specific angle, without necessarily endorsing it - you get that, right? It might be interesting to discuss what the US could have done better in Afghanistan. It should be possible to say "I think X would have worked" or "I don't think X would have worked because Y" etc. without idiots jumping in with "oWn sHarEs iN a deFensE coNtraCToR bY aNy cHanCe?!" Let people talk.

by Anonymousreply 157August 26, 2021 6:13 PM

So based on the shit I'm seeing on TV we should be leaving Afghanistan flawlessly with no conflict, while also staying there indefinitely, while we nuke them back to the 8th century? All at the same time?

by Anonymousreply 158August 26, 2021 6:14 PM

There's apparently just been a THIRD BOMB - read it on twitter - no link yet.

by Anonymousreply 159August 26, 2021 6:14 PM

further details >>

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by Anonymousreply 160August 26, 2021 6:16 PM

I'd like to believe that R152, but we were supposed to learn that lesson from Vietnam. 1991 and the past 20 years have demonstrated how easily the public can be led into cheering a fiasco.

by Anonymousreply 161August 26, 2021 6:18 PM

Yup R107. That's an obvious troll. Complete with "I mean, I'm just trying to help, why not check out these entirely reasonable Youtube videos about how the genocide isn't actually happening and China is the natural High-IQ leader of the world with only the best of intentions and form your own opinion?" helpful links.

And if you're really not a troll, R109 (you are, though), the only other possibility is that you're a dupe - and I don't know which of those two options is the worst. Probably the latter. At least a troll is making their small fee per post. Blocking you now before I get sucked in.

by Anonymousreply 162August 26, 2021 6:20 PM

So Taliban and IS don't get along? Aren't they pretty much the same? They're lunatic religious fanatics who hate women and like little boys.

by Anonymousreply 163August 26, 2021 6:20 PM

For R163

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by Anonymousreply 164August 26, 2021 6:22 PM

R163 provides a perfect snapshot of how the GOP and our shit press are so easily able to mislead so much of this country about so many things.

by Anonymousreply 165August 26, 2021 6:25 PM

[quote]They're lunatic religious fanatics who hate women and like little boys.

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by Anonymousreply 166August 26, 2021 6:25 PM

[quote] Taliban and IS don't get along? Aren't they pretty much the same?

No, they're not the same, they dislike each other. R164's link is a good one.

The right wing news has been trying to push the idea that the Taliban has "freed ISIS leaders" and they will now work together to come after the U.S., and I'm sad to say that MSNBC even had one of Bush Jr's old cronies on to spread that lie as well.

It should alarm everyone just how many lies the press has been telling about this situation.

by Anonymousreply 167August 26, 2021 6:26 PM
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by Anonymousreply 168August 26, 2021 6:27 PM

Can someone please copy and paste the NYTimes articles? Not all of us have a subscription.

by Anonymousreply 169August 26, 2021 6:30 PM

For now, R152, for now. History shows it takes about 20 years, or a single generation, for Americans to entirely forget how upset they were about the last futile, badly planned and astronomically expensive foreign adventure and clamor for a new one. Bin Laden knew that. He knew you spoiled, advantaged fuckers better than you know yourselves. A lot of the people screaming about the way this is being handled right now are the same people who were pinning American flags to their lapels and condemning anyone who was less then fully enthused for war in 2001 as anti-American when the truth is this (what's happening) was 100% predictable. Why? Because it's war, and because innocent people always die by the sewage ditch load in wars.

Cheering for war is cheering for the thing people now act like they're against. It's cheering for death and destruction. Sometimes it's necessary, but the discussion should always be a serious one, and war should only ever be the last resort. How blessed and also cursed the USA is to be generally insulated, by the luck of geography, from the material consequences of its actions.

by Anonymousreply 170August 26, 2021 6:31 PM

I’m afraid the number of casualties will continue to rise

by Anonymousreply 171August 26, 2021 6:33 PM

The number of casualties always rises, R171. Once established, it never recedes. There is only one direction it can go. Up, up and up.

by Anonymousreply 172August 26, 2021 6:34 PM

R171 Ya think?

by Anonymousreply 173August 26, 2021 6:34 PM
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by Anonymousreply 174August 26, 2021 6:44 PM

Biden needs to say something.

by Anonymousreply 175August 26, 2021 6:47 PM

Thoughts and prayers.

by Anonymousreply 176August 26, 2021 6:50 PM

WOW 12 service members killed, 15 wounded.

by Anonymousreply 177August 26, 2021 7:02 PM

It happens^.

by Anonymousreply 178August 26, 2021 7:07 PM

Costs of the Afghanistan war, in lives and dollars

Hundreds of people run alongside a U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane, some climbing on the plane, as it moves down a runway of the international airport, in Kabul, Afghanistan, Monday, Aug.16. 2021. Thousands of Afghans have rushed onto the tarmac at the airport, some so desperate to escape the Taliban capture of their country that they held onto the American military jet as it took off and plunged to death. (Verified UGC via AP)

Hundreds of people run alongside a U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane, some climbing on the plane, as it moves down a runway of the international airport, in Kabul, Afghanistan, Monday, Aug.16. 2021. Thousands of Afghans have rushed onto the tarmac at the airport, some so desperate to escape the Taliban capture of their country that they held onto the American military jet as it took off and plunged to death. (Verified UGC via AP)

At just short of 20 years, the now-ending U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan was America’s longest war. Ordinary Americans tended to forget about it, and it received measurably less oversight from Congress than the Vietnam War did. But its death toll is in the many tens of thousands. And because the U.S. borrowed most of the money to pay for it, generations of Americans will be burdened by the cost of paying it off.

Here’s a look at the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, by the numbers, as the Taliban in a lightning offensive take over much of the country before the United States’ Aug. 31 deadline for ending its combat role and as the U.S. speeds up American and Afghan evacuations.

Much of the data below is from Linda Bilmes of Harvard University’s Kennedy School and from the Brown University Costs of War project. Because the United States between 2003 and 2011 fought the Afghanistan and Iraq wars simultaneously, and many American troops served tours in both wars, some figures as noted cover both post-9/11 U.S. wars.

THE LONGEST WAR:

Percentage of U.S. population born since the 2001 attacks plotted by al-Qaida leaders who were sheltering in Afghanistan: Roughly one out of every four.

THE HUMAN COST:

American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.

U.S. contractors: 3,846.

Afghan national military and police: 66,000.

Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.

Afghan civilians: 47,245.

Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.

Aid workers: 444.

Journalists: 72.

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by Anonymousreply 179August 26, 2021 7:11 PM

Bush must be feeling so smug.

by Anonymousreply 180August 26, 2021 7:13 PM

[quote] Bush must be feeling so smug.

Why because he got us into this mess and then despite having zero credibility, protested leaving?

by Anonymousreply 181August 26, 2021 7:15 PM

Bush isn't getting enough shit for this. He got "rehabilitated" by the kool kids.

Meanwhile, after today, I don't see how old Joe comes back from this. One way or another, bend over for Kamala.

Worst fucking nightmare for those poor marines and their families. Almost out of there, and then this shitshow. Tragic and enraging.

by Anonymousreply 182August 26, 2021 7:22 PM

Should have voted for Kerry.

by Anonymousreply 183August 26, 2021 7:23 PM

Should have voted for Pete.

by Anonymousreply 184August 26, 2021 7:26 PM

Trending in both US and UK twitter for the last two hours:

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by Anonymousreply 185August 26, 2021 7:29 PM

12 American soldiers killed and 15 wounded.

by Anonymousreply 186August 26, 2021 7:29 PM

^^^^^ How dare they??!! They forgot to add "Mighty Joe" to that hashtag at r186.

How disrespectful.

by Anonymousreply 187August 26, 2021 7:30 PM

3rd bomb just went off.

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by Anonymousreply 188August 26, 2021 7:31 PM

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by Anonymousreply 189August 26, 2021 7:35 PM

Did Biden think these terrorists were just dicking around? Does he think he can control the Taliban?

by Anonymousreply 190August 26, 2021 7:36 PM

At least 12 U.S. troops killed in Kabul airport attack, officials say

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by Anonymousreply 191August 26, 2021 7:37 PM
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by Anonymousreply 192August 26, 2021 7:41 PM
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by Anonymousreply 193August 26, 2021 7:44 PM

^ Of course he will. And the Borises will just pick up another bogus complaint and pretend they haven't been yelling WHeRe iS tHe PResiDenT all day.

by Anonymousreply 194August 26, 2021 7:44 PM

Forever war

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by Anonymousreply 195August 26, 2021 7:45 PM

Kabul airport attack: - ISIS claims responsibility for attack - 12 American soldiers killed, 15 wounded - More than 60 Afghan civilians killed - Taliban accuses U.S. of failing to secure area - Pentagon expects more attacks

by Anonymousreply 196August 26, 2021 7:46 PM

[quote]I’m afraid the number of casualties will continue to rise

And now the Rethugs and the press can all put on a show of how "devastated" they are when in fact they all jizzed their pants the moment those bombs went off. This is what they've been hoping and waiting for for the last 10 days. Not a one of them could give two shits about those dead soldiers and Afghans.

by Anonymousreply 197August 26, 2021 7:48 PM

Yup, 12 service members dead. Fucking American decline, man. It's a nightmare.

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by Anonymousreply 198August 26, 2021 7:50 PM

At least two dozen students from San Diego, along with some parents, are stranded at the airport. Of all the places in the world for students to travel, why here? Dumber than stupid!

by Anonymousreply 199August 26, 2021 7:54 PM

But....but....didn't Trump rid the world of ISIS?

by Anonymousreply 200August 26, 2021 7:54 PM

Agreed, R199.

Sorry, folks. Next time, if there is one, plan better.

by Anonymousreply 201August 26, 2021 7:56 PM

R16 Again, not me. I support the troop withdrawal. You’re the boring one for assuming you know how I feel instead of taking the time to get to know me.

by Anonymousreply 202August 26, 2021 7:57 PM

So will the Euro Trash shut the fuck up now about extending the deadline!

by Anonymousreply 203August 26, 2021 8:01 PM

Biden is scheduled to speak @ 5:00pm EST

by Anonymousreply 204August 26, 2021 8:03 PM

Mighty Joe is going to be impeached when the GOP retake the house.

by Anonymousreply 205August 26, 2021 8:04 PM

R205 he better fucking not be. I don’t want to be stuck with that skanky bitch Kamala.

by Anonymousreply 206August 26, 2021 8:05 PM

FF’d R184.

by Anonymousreply 207August 26, 2021 8:05 PM

Euro trash have followed you in your wars and Euro trash have been killed in your wars. But I don't think that will happen anymore. America has been acting like crap with the rest of the world for too long.

by Anonymousreply 208August 26, 2021 8:06 PM

[quote] Biden is scheduled to speak @ 5:00pm EST

But he didn't have time to prepare!

by Anonymousreply 209August 26, 2021 8:06 PM

Wow, 12! Only 12?

by Anonymousreply 210August 26, 2021 8:06 PM

WTF???

[quote] U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate. “Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official.

by Anonymousreply 211August 26, 2021 8:08 PM

[quote]Mighty Joe is going to be impeached when the GOP retake the house.

Already priming the base.

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by Anonymousreply 212August 26, 2021 8:08 PM

Joe's had two brain aneurysms.

The stress of Afghanistan could result in a third, or worse.

Then, we're fucked.

by Anonymousreply 213August 26, 2021 8:09 PM

Douse yourself in acid, R205. Most Americans realize this was inevitable.

The only voters that'll blame Biden are braindead Trumpers like you that were never gonna vote for him, anyway.

And please stop pretending you give a rat's ass about U.S. soldiers or the Afghan populace. You couldn't find the place on a map and jizzed your xxx-large pants when word came that the bombs blew up.

by Anonymousreply 214August 26, 2021 8:10 PM

[quote]Biden is scheduled to speak @ 5:00pm EST

Is Kamala back in the USA? Will she be present?

by Anonymousreply 215August 26, 2021 8:11 PM

Trump rid the world of ISIS just as successfully as he rid the world of COVID.

by Anonymousreply 216August 26, 2021 8:14 PM

Glad to put this Afghanistan debacle behind us. It’s sad that people are getting killed or hurt. But in the end it’s going to be less catastrophic than staying there.

by Anonymousreply 217August 26, 2021 8:15 PM

You actually think that this is all behind us, r217?

by Anonymousreply 218August 26, 2021 8:19 PM

The Afghani "government" was just enriching themselves and planning an escape route the second the US left. They gave their kids Ivy League level college educations, bought houses in Europe, and were waiting for the day to ditch their miserable country. Afghanistan has been a lost cause for centuries because of the warring tribes and the difficult geography.

by Anonymousreply 219August 26, 2021 8:19 PM

"behind us" The 12 soldiers killed was just a few hours ago. My God, what selfishness. And it's people like this who think they are so much better than the trumpers. You are the same

by Anonymousreply 220August 26, 2021 8:19 PM

AGREED R217!

by Anonymousreply 221August 26, 2021 8:20 PM

[quote]My God, what selfishness

FUCK YOU AND FUCK OFF.

by Anonymousreply 222August 26, 2021 8:21 PM

R215, If her black pantsuit is back from the dry cleaners.

by Anonymousreply 223August 26, 2021 8:21 PM

Thanks, Trump. Praying fervently that the Devil takes you soon.

by Anonymousreply 224August 26, 2021 8:22 PM

Real selfishness: ignoring all the people killed by ISIL in Afghanistan over the past 6+ years, just because their deaths don't fit the "OMG Biden disaster!" narrative.

by Anonymousreply 225August 26, 2021 8:23 PM

If Trumps Taliban deal was so bad, why did Biden execute it?

The blame lies with every administration of the past 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 226August 26, 2021 8:24 PM

I know. ^^^

by Anonymousreply 227August 26, 2021 8:25 PM

[quote]Euro trash have followed you in your wars and Euro trash have been killed in your wars. But I don't think that will happen anymore. America has been acting like crap with the rest of the world for too long.

And the Euro Trash should shut up, sit down and be quiet. Obey your Master! (kidding) or maybe not.

by Anonymousreply 228August 26, 2021 8:25 PM

R225 that is.

by Anonymousreply 229August 26, 2021 8:25 PM

Because someone had to be an ADULT and get America out of that hell hole. Biden will be praised by history once this is all over. War is messy, please do tell of one that has not been. I will wait.

by Anonymousreply 230August 26, 2021 8:27 PM

Is he going to ask someone to resign? Secretary of Defense?

by Anonymousreply 231August 26, 2021 8:27 PM

A million upvotes for you^.

by Anonymousreply 232August 26, 2021 8:27 PM

[quote]If Trumps Taliban deal was so bad, why did Biden execute it?

Because President shithead locked us into leaving. Next stupid question?

by Anonymousreply 233August 26, 2021 8:28 PM

R230 that is.

by Anonymousreply 234August 26, 2021 8:28 PM

The Biden stans are delusional, no different from the MAGA cult.

by Anonymousreply 235August 26, 2021 8:28 PM

R228 Don' worry, everyone has understood that you are not kidding. You have no friends or allies. A nation of unscrupulous thugs who think they are the Roman Empire and that the entire world belongs to them. Someone even had the audacity to put it on the dollar bill (yeah I'm kidding too) or maybe not.

by Anonymousreply 236August 26, 2021 8:30 PM

Wow, the West is a mess.

by Anonymousreply 237August 26, 2021 8:31 PM
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by Anonymousreply 238August 26, 2021 8:32 PM

[quote]The Biden stans are delusional, no different from the MAGA cult.

In related news you trolls don't give a flying fuck about Afghanistan, the Taliban or US soldiers. This is about inflicting damage on Biden first and foremost. You've made that remarkably clear.

by Anonymousreply 239August 26, 2021 8:33 PM

[quote] A nation of unscrupulous thugs who think they are the Roman Empire and that the entire

Wow, you are so sharp, you saw all the buildings go up in Washington DC over 100 years ago that resembled Roman Architecture and you just now figured that out? What kind of tea are you drinking!

by Anonymousreply 240August 26, 2021 8:35 PM

[quote]Euro trash have followed you in your wars and Euro trash have been killed in your wars. But I don't think that will happen anymore. America has been acting like crap with the rest of the world for too long.

Bitch Please, we always return the favor 10 fold. We love you like our luggage.

by Anonymousreply 241August 26, 2021 8:36 PM

R226 Trump drew down US forces until there was less than half the number of Taliban fighters he had released from prison.

The Taliban promised a cease fire on the condition we LEAVE. They mostly kept their word. Meanwhile ISIL ratcheted up their attacks, leading to 105+ dead in Afghanistan in 2020 alone. The US continued its drawdown over the year so we had no ability to combat them, and the Taliban 5000 stronger continued making gains as they battled ISIL.

Biden pushed the May 1 deadline to improve the logistics around withdrawal. But absent another "surge" destined to go about as well as all the rest of them (meaning, poorly) he had to continue the withdrawal. There were not enough US forces left to combat a resurgence of Taliban aggression IN ADDITION TO ISIL. And there was no way they were just going to sit and wait indefinitely for us to finally leave as promised.

by Anonymousreply 242August 26, 2021 8:38 PM

^ That should be 150+ dead.

by Anonymousreply 243August 26, 2021 8:39 PM

For all of the bragging about gathering secret intel, why does the US wait so long to evacuate their citizens?

by Anonymousreply 244August 26, 2021 8:39 PM

R238, John Bolton is a warmongering piece of shit. Nobody gives a fuck what he has to say except fellow warmongers like Liz Cheney.

by Anonymousreply 245August 26, 2021 8:39 PM

R239 Obviously damage will be rightfully inflicted on Biden he’s the current commander in chief. I voted for him, that doesn’t mean that I’m going to blindly worship him or any other politician.

Deprogram yourself and quit the whataboutism.

by Anonymousreply 246August 26, 2021 8:41 PM

R240 R241 Lol the buildings of the Roman Empire are 3000 years old. They brought civilization and wonderful things in all the countries they conquered. This is not the case for the USA. A building that is only 100 years old is worthless in the rest of the world. But by the time you understand it... It's like thinking you can bring democracy to the Afghans, the Iraqis, the Syrians, the Vietnamese. The problem is that it was the Greeks who invented democracy. The copy is always poor quality, bitch.

by Anonymousreply 247August 26, 2021 8:41 PM

[quote]he buildings of the Roman Empire are 3000 years old. They brought civilization and wonderful things in all the countries they conquered.

Yes like state sanctioned slavery.

Oh but you must know all about that, thanks for setting up the slave trade in America. We still suffer from your "business" model of trade.

by Anonymousreply 248August 26, 2021 8:44 PM

R199 Any parent traveling there with "students", for any reason, needs they head examined. Hey, where do we want to go this summer?

by Anonymousreply 249August 26, 2021 8:46 PM

[quote]For all of the bragging about gathering secret intel, why does the US wait so long to evacuate their citizens?

It's not an absolute. You may be able to tell a sucide bombing is being planned, but no one can predict the exact place and time. They did say it was eminent and would be near the airport. They did warn Americans to stay away but that's about the best anyone can do. Better than a total surprise. You expect too much from intel if you think it will ever be an exact time and place before it happens.

by Anonymousreply 250August 26, 2021 8:48 PM

Barack Obama is posting here. I keep seeing the term "ISIL" !

by Anonymousreply 251August 26, 2021 8:48 PM

R248 Slavery did not start in Europe. But to know this, one must be educated. However, it appears more and more that you are the most ignorant people in the world. For example Arabs started slavery in the 6th century on the black people in North Africa and in 2021 they continue to enslave balck people. But we never heard your big mouths on this. Never. Was it also Europe that taught you to genocide the Native Americans?

by Anonymousreply 252August 26, 2021 8:49 PM

R244 State has been issuing warnings for MONTHS for them to get out. How much more advance notice should they expect?

by Anonymousreply 253August 26, 2021 8:50 PM

Who gives a flying fuck who started slavery?

Just like war, it's here to stay.

by Anonymousreply 254August 26, 2021 8:53 PM

It's not about advanced warning, r253, it's about the fact that nobody takes it seriously.

by Anonymousreply 255August 26, 2021 8:58 PM

I believe Biden has cancelled his 5pm briefing.

by Anonymousreply 256August 26, 2021 9:04 PM

Were any handsome, and hung men hurt or killed?

by Anonymousreply 257August 26, 2021 9:08 PM

He wouldn't dare, r256.

by Anonymousreply 258August 26, 2021 9:08 PM

[quote] Most Americans realize this was inevitable.

Nope. Joe’s approval rating will be in the 30s soon. He’ll be forced to resign. No coming back.

by Anonymousreply 259August 26, 2021 9:08 PM

Where’s Biden?

by Anonymousreply 260August 26, 2021 9:09 PM

[quote]He’ll be forced to resign.

KAMALA will take over?

by Anonymousreply 261August 26, 2021 9:09 PM

Hidin'

by Anonymousreply 262August 26, 2021 9:10 PM

Uh oh.

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by Anonymousreply 263August 26, 2021 9:10 PM

It's 5:09 pm. Why isn't Joe on? Somebody forget to wake him up from his nap?

by Anonymousreply 264August 26, 2021 9:10 PM

Well...5PM HAS COME AND GONE

by Anonymousreply 265August 26, 2021 9:10 PM

[quote]It's 5:09 pm. Why isn't Joe on?

It's cancelled, it seems.

by Anonymousreply 266August 26, 2021 9:11 PM

The anti-dementia meds they've been pumping him full of for the last hour have yet to take their effect, r264.

by Anonymousreply 267August 26, 2021 9:11 PM

no...any moment now, as per CNN

by Anonymousreply 268August 26, 2021 9:12 PM

Maybe Matlock is on, r266. He might come out when it's over.

by Anonymousreply 269August 26, 2021 9:12 PM

I hope he's not lying on the bathroom floor.

He'll never be able to get up.

by Anonymousreply 270August 26, 2021 9:16 PM

There's a specific thread for the press conference, if anyone is interested

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by Anonymousreply 271August 26, 2021 9:17 PM

Boris at R263 that's already been debunked. That "critical" program didn't actually exist--it was proposed but not implemented. Do keep up.

by Anonymousreply 272August 26, 2021 9:24 PM

He's changing.

Diapers or PullUps?

by Anonymousreply 273August 26, 2021 9:25 PM

Link, r272?

by Anonymousreply 274August 26, 2021 9:28 PM

🤓 Heeeeeeeere's Joey !

by Anonymousreply 275August 26, 2021 9:28 PM

He's rambling again.

by Anonymousreply 276August 26, 2021 9:30 PM

Did this press conference shit finally start? I gave up and started watching An American Werewolf in London.

by Anonymousreply 277August 26, 2021 9:32 PM

I mean what is this?

by Anonymousreply 278August 26, 2021 9:34 PM

The trolls want to focus on a few dead in Afghanistan today while ignoring the 20+ years of injuries and deaths. Funny how the powers that created this mess get the slugs all worked up.

by Anonymousreply 279August 26, 2021 9:36 PM
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by Anonymousreply 280August 26, 2021 9:40 PM

Exactly, r279. They don't want to discuss the Kurds or....

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by Anonymousreply 281August 26, 2021 9:41 PM

This world is a sad shithole.

by Anonymousreply 282August 26, 2021 9:41 PM

The empire needs to be dismantled. It’s awful for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 283August 26, 2021 9:44 PM

Since Boris can't google, only cut and paste from wingnut sources.

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by Anonymousreply 284August 26, 2021 9:44 PM

What is the “empire”?

by Anonymousreply 285August 26, 2021 9:45 PM

Yup, r281…

“ Most died in Afghanistan, the US's longest-running war, but the first casualty of Trump's term came in Yemen.”

by Anonymousreply 286August 26, 2021 9:45 PM

R285, grow up.

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by Anonymousreply 287August 26, 2021 9:47 PM

R279 Biden is a troll then? Because he just spoke about the 12 American soldiers killed in the attack at Kabul. Calling people you know nothing about "troll" is childish and ridiculous

by Anonymousreply 288August 26, 2021 9:50 PM

R287, your linking of the opinion piece by the gawdawful Niall Ferguson is laughable.

by Anonymousreply 289August 26, 2021 9:50 PM

R289, you’re so dense. The point is that the Economist, like everyone else, recognizes that America has an empire.

by Anonymousreply 290August 26, 2021 9:52 PM

Thanks for revealing your agenda, r290.

by Anonymousreply 291August 26, 2021 9:54 PM

800 military bases around the world: empire. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 292August 26, 2021 9:56 PM

Well it’ll be interesting to see if David Muir leads with the story on the news tonight.

by Anonymousreply 293August 26, 2021 10:07 PM

20 years ago, I said the US should nuke the Al Qaeda training ground in Afghanistan and call it even, I wad right.

by Anonymousreply 294August 26, 2021 10:14 PM

[quote] The Biden stans are delusional, no different from the MAGA cult.

I'm beginning to see that, as well.

by Anonymousreply 295August 26, 2021 10:18 PM

So many of you are lazy, won't google shit, don't read. Just soak up random facts with no context and who gives a shit about reliable sources?

The American families and students are a group of Afghan immigrants now America citizens who went back to Kabul this summer to visit extended family. Yes are stupid cunts and irresponsible parents. But the trip wasn't random white Americans.

by Anonymousreply 296August 26, 2021 10:28 PM

R247 You sound like an absolute moron. I'm not even American and frankly I resent being made to defend them by morons like yourself.

by Anonymousreply 297August 26, 2021 10:29 PM

[quote]The American families and students are a group of Afghan immigrants now America citizens who went back to Kabul this summer to visit extended family. Yes are stupid cunts and irresponsible parents. But the trip wasn't random white Americans.

It's not American Americans who are over there.

by Anonymousreply 298August 26, 2021 10:37 PM

So many people sacrificed for profit.

by Anonymousreply 299August 26, 2021 10:37 PM

FYI

Trump (and many others) are being sued by Capitol police officers for violating the KU KLUX KLAN ACT.

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by Anonymousreply 300August 26, 2021 10:40 PM

Your acknowledgement of the fact that "war is messy" is glib af, R230. Yes, war *is* messy. And in the future perhaps Biden will be hailed as a genius for getting the US out of Afghanistan. I actually think it's quite likely. But that doesn't make the families of the dead, or the dead themselves, any less traumatized or any less dead. Your dismissive tone could only come from the kind of smug liberal asshat who doesn't actually believe in or live any kind of actual left-of-center philosophy. Your country went into Afghanistan, and the blood of the terrible mishandling of this pullout is on your country's - and your (current and former) president's - hands.

12 dead Americans, many more dead Afghans TODAY ALONE and what has the left got, because this happened under a Democrat president and not Trump? "War is messy." Fuck off. One hopes you would be as certain of your own moral righteousness if someone *you* loved was killed today, but everyone knows you wouldn't be.

War is messy, but that's not even close to an excuse for how this has been handled. It's not actually an excuse for anything, it's just happens to be true.

I'm gonna get called a Boris or a Trumper for this but I have never, in ~20 years of voting, ever voted right of center. Not once. Borises and Trumpers make clowns of the right, but the left isn't much better, huffing the fart-smell of their own superiority as the fucking world burns.

by Anonymousreply 301August 26, 2021 10:42 PM

"The fucking world burns?" How dramatic. We're talking about a primitive shithole thousand of miles away from the West. Nobody ever should've gone in there in the first place, and most Americans are glad we're finally out.

by Anonymousreply 302August 26, 2021 10:44 PM

BTW the last time the world really did fucking burn it was Europe and not America who were responsible.

by Anonymousreply 303August 26, 2021 10:45 PM

This shit in Afghanistan should have been ended 12 years ago by Obama.

by Anonymousreply 304August 26, 2021 10:48 PM

sadly, I suspect you are right r304. Although actually it was probably lost the minute Bush and Cheney got bored and decided blowing shit up in Iraq would be more fun. Still, after bin Laden was killed, the whole thing became so obviously pointless that Obama should have ended it then.

by Anonymousreply 305August 26, 2021 10:52 PM

R301: speaking of messy, your trolling post is all over the place.

You've always voted left of center and the one thing you hate is liberal smugness, you seem incredibly triggered by the phrase "war is messy" while admitting it is, and you're either British or you've forgotten that "Democrat president" is a linguistic tell giving you away as a Republican. Other than the passive-aggressive temper tantrum, I've no clue what you were intending to say here.

by Anonymousreply 306August 26, 2021 10:56 PM

Kammie cancelled her CA campaign stop for Gavin Newsom.

by Anonymousreply 307August 26, 2021 11:03 PM

Biden Responds To Kabul Attack

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by Anonymousreply 308August 26, 2021 11:07 PM

[quote]Kammie cancelled her CA campaign stop for Gavin Newsom.

All those horse deworming enemas are making you forget the name of Vice President Harris. You should get a neurological assessment done stat.

by Anonymousreply 309August 26, 2021 11:14 PM

I thought he did well during the press conference. Who was the last reporter he called on?

by Anonymousreply 310August 26, 2021 11:16 PM

Vice responded to the attacks today by publishing an article saying that Marines are bad, so everybody can calm down.

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by Anonymousreply 311August 26, 2021 11:20 PM

[quote] Slavery did not start in Europe. But to know this, one must be educated. However, it appears more and more that you are the most ignorant people in the world. For example Arabs started slavery in the 6th century on the black people in North Africa

The Romans were around long before the 6th Century. It did in fact start in Europe. And the Brits did in fact enslave black people from all over the world and import that practice into the New World. Stop making excuses.

by Anonymousreply 312August 26, 2021 11:26 PM

The Eqyptians were using slaves for thousands of years before Rome even existed, r312.

Read more.

MUCH more.

by Anonymousreply 313August 26, 2021 11:30 PM

Yes that's true, but they also died out as did the Romans. Why did the Brits think it was still a good idea thousands of years later?

by Anonymousreply 314August 26, 2021 11:33 PM

Slavery was going on in all parts of the world for thousands of years.

by Anonymousreply 315August 26, 2021 11:33 PM

Anyone trying to use "but they enslaved others" to impugn this or that nation or ethnic group or whatever is going to have a bad time.

by Anonymousreply 316August 26, 2021 11:35 PM

Do you realize what poor Yvonne had to go through before The Munsters and FOLLIES came along?

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by Anonymousreply 317August 26, 2021 11:35 PM

Again, r312 / r314.

To people with even the most rudimentry grasp on history, you sound as if you are brain damaged.

by Anonymousreply 318August 26, 2021 11:36 PM

I don't think they were actually r313. I don't think Egypt was a slave society, despite all the movies. The Roman Empire was, and I think the Greeks loved having a lot of slaves as well. I don't doubt there were slaves in Egypt, but I don't think they were a big part of the picture. I think a lot of that is bullshit invented in the Bible.

In ancient Rome, in contrast, slaves pretty much did all the mining, worked a lot of the big estates, and pretty much everyone of any wealth had household slaves.

In Egypt, most of the work was done by peasants, including building the pyramids and the other big monuments.

by Anonymousreply 319August 26, 2021 11:36 PM

Giving a detailed hit list of our citizens and allies to the fucking Taliban, along with the biometric database Biden gifted to them, sure sounds like Aiding & Abetting The Enemy to me. This is Treason.

by Anonymousreply 320August 26, 2021 11:42 PM

r310, do you have brain damage?

by Anonymousreply 321August 26, 2021 11:43 PM

This old mushmouthed garbled ass.

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by Anonymousreply 322August 26, 2021 11:43 PM

Also too, while I'm handing out little factoids, it is a depressing fact that in ancient Sumerian, the first written language as far as we know, the most common word in the various records we have is the word for "foreign female slave." So yeah, slavery goes WAYYYYYY back, but I still think there is a difference between societies built around slavery, like the old American South, and societies where some people have a few slaves.

by Anonymousreply 323August 26, 2021 11:43 PM

You "don't think that Egypt was a slave society"?

Are you on drugs?

Who do you think built the pyramids?

Kindly peasant volunteers? Who could just quit their jobs anytime they liked? Take two weeks off every now and then?

JFC.

by Anonymousreply 324August 26, 2021 11:43 PM

No r324, slaves did not build the pyramids. It's pretty clear that they were built by Egyptian peasants. Not volunteers. Paid. Paid by the government to build them during the season when they did not have to plant and sow and reap. You really can't get all your history from Cecil b Demille movies, and certainly not from the Bible. You have to look harder and wider.

by Anonymousreply 325August 26, 2021 11:45 PM

[quote]I have never, in ~20 years of voting, ever voted right of center. Not once. Borises and Trumpers make clowns of the right, but the left isn't much better, huffing the fart-smell of their own superiority as the fucking world burns.

Bitch Please, you are not even American, you have no clue what left vs right is in America, it's not the same as Europe. Stop with the Monday morning arm chair quarterbacking. Getting out of Afghanistan was never going to be easy and it had to be done. You seriously think if Biden had streaked it out to 3 months instead of one that we would not have had an attack there in all that time? You are dangerously naive. There would probably be dozens of attack. I am sure there will be more even in the next few days. But OH, America, lets trash them from our glass house calming they are not doing enough or doing it the right way.

by Anonymousreply 326August 26, 2021 11:45 PM

r301 Enjoy your generous social welfare programs, which are only possible because you don't have to spend that money on a huge military because the US takes care of that for you and STFU.

by Anonymousreply 327August 26, 2021 11:48 PM

[quote]ou "don't think that Egypt was a slave society"? Are you on drugs? Who do you think built the pyramids?

Actually there is some historical evidence that the term slave was not the same back then. They were more like worker groups competing with each other. The archeologist now think this based on some graffiti left inside the pyramids that are thousand of years old. Basically leaving a hidden record of which gang as they refereed to themselves was doing the best job.

by Anonymousreply 328August 26, 2021 11:49 PM

True, r327, and we Americans are just starting to catch on to that. Maybe if we didn't have endless wars and constant occupations, maybe we could start handling some other stuff.

But, but, but what if China blunders into Afghanistan and fucks around there for the next 20 years?

Don't care.

by Anonymousreply 329August 26, 2021 11:51 PM

Right, R328. Right. Uh-huh. You really are going to have to do better than that if you're trying to claim slavery simply wasn't a "thing" before [insert group you're not trying to defend].

by Anonymousreply 330August 26, 2021 11:54 PM

There is no worse kind of American than the "other countries only have social programs because America" kind.

by Anonymousreply 331August 26, 2021 11:56 PM

Slavery was a "thing" for a very long time. But again, that doesn't mean it was the central organizing principal for every society. Sometimes it was, mostly it wasn't.

by Anonymousreply 332August 26, 2021 11:57 PM

13 troops dead now.

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by Anonymousreply 333August 27, 2021 12:00 AM

[quote]There is no worse kind of American than the "other countries only have social programs because America" kind.

by Anonymousreply 334August 27, 2021 12:01 AM

[quote]There is no worse kind of American than the "other countries only have social programs because America" kind.

by Anonymousreply 335August 27, 2021 12:01 AM

Who cares when slavery started, that's a straw man argument. Brits never own up to THEIR ROLL in spreading slavery across the world and even to a young America.

by Anonymousreply 336August 27, 2021 12:02 AM

[quote]There is no worse kind of American than the "other countries only have social programs because America" kind.

It is true, though. European countries don't have to spend $$$ on militaries, so they can have their welfare. Which is going to many third worlders who are inexplicably let into your countries in insane numbers.

by Anonymousreply 337August 27, 2021 12:02 AM
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by Anonymousreply 338August 27, 2021 12:03 AM

And r338? Americans can't stay there forever. Jihadists are always going to jihad. And speaking of Europe, perhaps they should reform their immigration policies and stop letting these animals in. The 9/11 hijackers lived in European countries for some time.

by Anonymousreply 339August 27, 2021 12:11 AM

Yeah R338, just like the commies were emboldened by our flight from Vietnam, and look how that turned out!

by Anonymousreply 340August 27, 2021 12:17 AM

R16

Oh is THAT why "Psaki now claiming we have "an enormous amount of leverage over the Taliban" economically. "That is our view."

by Anonymousreply 341August 27, 2021 12:17 AM

Is the Economist always so imperialist? They seem to really hate us ending a war.

by Anonymousreply 342August 27, 2021 12:18 AM

Yep R339. Jihadists have been jihading for a thousand years before the U.S. existed, and will continue. An occupation in one backward predominantly Muslim country did shit. Wish the best for the few people who prefer a secular society and hope they can find asylum somewhere— I’d be happy for secular afghans to come to American, but Glad we’re out.

by Anonymousreply 343August 27, 2021 12:19 AM

Kingzinger nails it here:

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by Anonymousreply 344August 27, 2021 12:33 AM

Kabul was already broken.

by Anonymousreply 345August 27, 2021 12:34 AM

Big picture, the people in that part of the world have been fighting for thousands of years. It's never going to end. Get out and avoid it at all costs till they all kill each other. Cold? yeah, pragmatic? You bet!

by Anonymousreply 346August 27, 2021 12:40 AM

This...

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by Anonymousreply 347August 27, 2021 12:41 AM

We don't want to find out the smoking gun comes in the form of a mushroom cloud.

by Anonymousreply 348August 27, 2021 12:46 AM

R346 You could say that about any country or region on earth.

by Anonymousreply 349August 27, 2021 12:49 AM

No, you can't r349.

by Anonymousreply 350August 27, 2021 12:53 AM

Biden planned the August 31 exit date, so that when 9/11 arrived he could get stand in the limelight. It backfired. Pray for the people who were murdered today, thanks to him.

by Anonymousreply 351August 27, 2021 12:58 AM

He has committed TREASON by supplying names, addresses and biometric data of Americans and Allies for the Taliban to use as a hit list, which they are already doing. He needs to be impeached and sentenced to capitol punishment for this High Crime and violation of his Oath of Office.

by Anonymousreply 352August 27, 2021 1:01 AM

Oh look, people like r351 from Parlor are posting on here now.

Go back to your Trump cult freak. He lost the election, get over it. Biden's doing a GREAT job! A+

by Anonymousreply 353August 27, 2021 1:04 AM

R353, this has noting to do with Trump. Biden made these decisions.

by Anonymousreply 354August 27, 2021 1:10 AM

The world dose not exist in a vacuum r354. Bush started this mess, Trump made it worse. Biden is cleaning up their shit after 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 355August 27, 2021 1:24 AM

"Pragmatic," R346, would have been never getting involved in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 356August 27, 2021 1:24 AM

Yes, r356, which is exactly why I DID NOT FOR FOR BUSH OR REPUBLICANS EVEN 20 YEARS AGO.

by Anonymousreply 357August 27, 2021 1:25 AM

Biden is doing great. I love this but fear the Equality Act!

by Anonymousreply 358August 27, 2021 1:36 AM

[quote]Pray for the people who were murdered today, thanks to him.

All 12?

by Anonymousreply 359August 27, 2021 1:37 AM

R56: Because she licks Oprah's pussy.

by Anonymousreply 360August 27, 2021 1:45 AM

John Kerry was right.

During his run for the US Presidency in 2004, he gave an interview to the NY Times Magazine where he stated (I'm paraphrasing) that conventional, ground troops warfare needed to be re-assessed for its efficacy, or lack thereof, in capturing terrorists.

He stated international police action (informants, surveillance, etc.) should be deployed.

This is how fucking damn stupid us Americans can be -

Bush and Cheney seized on that. Yes, two chicken-shit draft dodgers, renowned for bravery on the golf course or sitting at a Texas Rangers game, managed to turn Kerry, a combat veteran, into a "soft on terrorism" wimp.

And dumber than a 10lb bag of powdered cement Americans bought that and gave Bush another term.

John Kerry was right. And Americans are stupid.

Bring back the compulsory military draft, all genders, no exceptions, no deferments. And the first pool of draftees should be drawn from the 1% and the families of anybody who makes money from the military-industrial complex.

by Anonymousreply 361August 27, 2021 1:47 AM

John Kerry was right. ^

by Anonymousreply 362August 27, 2021 1:47 AM

r361 you are 100% correct. I'm American, and I can't believe how ignorant many Americans are about the rest of the world and other cultures. A ground war was foolish in that region, and in that culture.

And oh yes if there was a draft Americans would think long and hard about military action anywhere. It would have to take something on the level of another Japan/Hitler to get Americans to deploy a military operation if a draft was involved.

by Anonymousreply 363August 27, 2021 2:01 AM

“The fucking world burns?" How dramatic. We're talking about a primitive shithole thousand of miles away from the West. Nobody ever should've gone in there in the first place, and most Americans are glad we're finally out.”

—Anonymous

What I love about pepper who talk about primitive shitholes is they are the same ones who say immigrants from said shitholes need to be accepted on mass because suddenly they have developed into wonderful caring potential Westerners when they try to get into your country.

by Anonymousreply 364August 27, 2021 3:10 AM

I love when pepper starts talking all salty.

by Anonymousreply 365August 27, 2021 3:18 AM

I am not a huge fan of Israel but one thing they do right is require everyone including woman at the age of 18 to server their country for a short time. Except for their fucked up religious exceptions. Ultra-Orthodox and Arab Israelis are exempt.

by Anonymousreply 366August 27, 2021 3:27 AM

Quick fact, please check Google to confirm, but when discussing everyone from Alexander the Great to present day failed in Afghanistan, this is only partly true.

Alexander the Great lost huge amounts of men in Afghanistan and had serious battles there, but he did establish bases and there are still cities named after him in Afghanistan. Kandahar is one that comes to mind. Alexander was pretty successful there, in the short term. It was the numbers killed, that is why we discuss it as disastrous.

by Anonymousreply 367August 27, 2021 3:48 AM

That would explain all the dancing boys.

by Anonymousreply 368August 27, 2021 4:13 AM

😴 The repetitive Boris Bullshit is so old and so tired.

And it accomplishes [italic] NOTHING!

by Anonymousreply 369August 27, 2021 4:27 AM

1,500 Americans are still stranded. You call that being out?

by Anonymousreply 370August 27, 2021 4:35 AM

Fuck this thread for making me agree with Della.

by Anonymousreply 371August 27, 2021 4:52 AM

Army service is compulsory for EVERYONE in Israel, 3 years for men, 18 months approximately for women. Married women are exempt from service. Students can delay service for several years. Only sons can opt out of service. Druze, Beduin and other "Arab-Israelis" serve depending on factors such as clan and village. The "ultra Orthodox" also serve. People with medical issues that do not prevent them from minimum participation also serve.

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by Anonymousreply 372August 27, 2021 4:55 AM

[quote]And now the Rethugs and the press can all put on a show of how "devastated" they are when in fact they all jizzed their pants the moment those bombs went off. This is what they've been hoping and waiting for for the last 10 days.

Very true, r197. The reason the right wing media has been pushing the "Taliban = ISIS" thing so hard is because they knew there would be a very good chance that ISIS would lash out, because that's what ISIS does. Now the media has already primed people to think that this suicide bomber attack was related to the Taliban, and that it's Biden's fault because he "let the Taliban take over."

by Anonymousreply 373August 27, 2021 5:11 AM

R367, one of my favorite podcasts, The Rest Is History, devoted a recent episode to Afghanistan, and demonstrated that the "graveyard of empires" concept is much more complicated.

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by Anonymousreply 374August 27, 2021 5:17 AM

Thoughts and Prayers

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by Anonymousreply 375August 27, 2021 5:56 AM

Holy crap, what is that photo from, 375?

by Anonymousreply 376August 27, 2021 12:24 PM

Have you girls not got this figured out yet?

Data Lounge is always at its best when it tackles geopolitical crises involving the military and troubled locations in far flung parts of the world.

I'll give one thing to the venomous queens in the Theatre Gossip threads, they fight over things they more or less know.

by Anonymousreply 377August 27, 2021 12:41 PM

They're all going to Britain. Have fun, Brits!

by Anonymousreply 378August 27, 2021 2:18 PM

R375 lol that is where I heard that as well. I love that podcast.r367

by Anonymousreply 379August 27, 2021 2:37 PM

r376 It's from yesterday's press conference.

by Anonymousreply 380August 27, 2021 3:01 PM

r372, you go first.

by Anonymousreply 381August 27, 2021 4:49 PM

The London Times on Biden:

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by Anonymousreply 382August 27, 2021 4:51 PM

I really don't understand why there is so much resistance to assigning blame for this, especially as this wouldn't be the first time in history that the military fucked up, got it wrong, and gave bad advice to a leader.

The military got this wrong and people are paying with their lives, and more will pay with more lives back in Afghanistan.

This isn't about party affiliation, or hating Joe Biden or loving Trump or hating Trump therefore one must love Biden . . .

What's depressing, apart from the appalling waste of funds that could be used for better things in both countries, and the lives, is watching those generals and chiefs of staff and Foreign Secretaries and PMs all doing their best to keep the side up and getting away with it and looking calm and important and competent, but whose side is the side, really?

Because it's not the grunts' side, or the taxpayers' side, that's bloody certain.

by Anonymousreply 383August 27, 2021 5:02 PM

[quote] I really don't understand why there is so much resistance to assigning blame for this, especially as this wouldn't be the first time in history that the military fucked up, got it wrong, and gave bad advice to a leader. The military got this wrong and people are paying with their lives, and more will pay with more lives back in Afghanistan.

The mission is to withdraw from a 20 yr war and evacuate Americans and some Afghans. Keeping in mind that 2,000+ service people have been killed over the course of the war and Afghanistan is one of the most unstable and dangerous nations in the world. Which is why we are finally leaving. The problem is that the mission and success are being defined as a fairytale exit of certainty; where everything goes exactly according to plan (or contingency plan) and there are no casualties. While exiting a war that has produced thousands of ongoing casualties. The problem is that people cant distinguish reality from what they watch on television. The problem is that people believe that watching a week of cable news gives them some level of expertise and they now have the ability to perform the miracles that rooms full of experts cannot.

by Anonymousreply 384August 27, 2021 5:23 PM

Marine officer calls out senior military leaders following U.S. fatalities in Afghanistan

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by Anonymousreply 385August 27, 2021 5:29 PM

The problem is that Biden fucked up the withdrawal through a series of bad choices which led to very bad consequences. And we haven't even reached the climax of the horror show yet.

by Anonymousreply 386August 27, 2021 5:33 PM

The problem with the post at R386 is that the author omitted the fact that Trump only left Biden with bad choices.

by Anonymousreply 387August 27, 2021 5:36 PM

R387: Biden has no problem undoing other bad choices left by Trump, e.g halt the construction of the wall, cutting the Blackstone pipeline, rejoining the Paris Treaty and WHO etc etc.

So why didn’t Joe undo this deal with the Taliban and renegotiate?

Why does he act as if this one deal were cast in stone?

by Anonymousreply 388August 27, 2021 5:49 PM

r387, Trump actually created a withdrawal plan, had a team set up to enact it and had a deadline negotiated. Biden threw ALL of that away in March and replaced it with NOTHING! Biden did that. No one else.

by Anonymousreply 389August 27, 2021 5:50 PM

[quote]Trump actually created a withdrawal plan

Was it in the same binder as his healthcare plan?

by Anonymousreply 390August 27, 2021 5:52 PM

Biden's withdrawal had zero to do do with the Trump plan. They blew past the negotiated deadline in May, and from that point there was nothing left of the Trump plan.

Biden administration people drew up a new plan entirely, and Biden's close advisors were very involved with finalizing all military decisions (this is consistent with the way the Obama WH was run: Valerie Jarrett was nicknamed "General Jarrett" at the Pentagon because all military movements were finalized with her.)

Bidenbots, iyou really believe that Biden did a terrific job with this, then why do you also insist on lying and claiming his hands were tied by the Trump plan, when the opposite is true? Why not just own that this is your hero's plan and crow about what a great plan it is?

by Anonymousreply 391August 27, 2021 6:02 PM

Upon entering office, Biden was left with <2500 troops in Afghanistan. Less than half the number of Taliban Trump had released from prison the year prior. The only thing preventing them from being totally overrun was a shaky ceasfire with the Taliban premised on the rest of those troops leaving for good. No such ceasefire existed with ISIL, so they were just going on with their attacks as usual.

Absent another destined-to-fail surge, which no one but the war profiteers wanted, Biden had no means of a clean withdrawal. None of you Borises or trolls can argue around that fact, so you just keep tossing out any nonsense you can come up with.

by Anonymousreply 392August 27, 2021 6:12 PM

RIP

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by Anonymousreply 393August 27, 2021 6:16 PM

Here’s an idea. If you’re not willing to die for your country, don’t enlist in the military.

I would have loved to have my education paid for and receive a stipend from the military, but it wasn’t worth my life or my conscience (if I had to kill people) so I didn’t sign up. It’s a tragedy that soldiers died, but it’s a known job hazard.

I’m just glad we are out of there and save some tax dollars. Unfortunately that money is going to go into politician’s investment portfolios and pay for people to sit at home and not work.

by Anonymousreply 394August 27, 2021 6:25 PM

Yeah, let's bring back the draft for "all genders", r371. There are only two genders, so I can't agree with Della on that one.

by Anonymousreply 395August 27, 2021 6:27 PM

I FF’d R393. .

by Anonymousreply 396August 27, 2021 6:48 PM

What about the 1,500 Americans left behind yesterday. Have they all been evacuated yet?

by Anonymousreply 397August 27, 2021 7:33 PM

No, r397.

by Anonymousreply 398August 27, 2021 7:37 PM

US soldiers killed in Afghanistan under Bush Obama Trump - 2,500. US soldiers killed under Biden - 12.

Carry on trolls.

by Anonymousreply 399August 27, 2021 7:42 PM

Biden needs to be charged with Treason.

by Anonymousreply 400August 27, 2021 7:44 PM

R400, right after your hero, Trump.

by Anonymousreply 401August 27, 2021 7:47 PM

That's even more damning numbers on Biden then I had thought, 399

2500 deaths over 20 years

13 deaths in 24 hours

Wow.

by Anonymousreply 402August 27, 2021 7:50 PM

I love how all the Trump trash in these threads talking shit about Biden pretend as if Rethugs have no blood on their hands.

by Anonymousreply 403August 27, 2021 7:50 PM

r401, I voted for Biden and H Clinton.

by Anonymousreply 404August 27, 2021 7:52 PM

It is strange that if you disagree with anything on the left you are called right-wing even if you are left yourself. It is dangerous not to call out politicians when they screw up just because they are on the same side as you. Almost all of the politicians both on the left and the right are corrupt. We should be watching them all, after all, they are supposed to work for us. We are paying their salaries.

by Anonymousreply 405August 27, 2021 10:16 PM

I support this evacuation 100% and I get called “Jill Biden” for it, R405. It takes two to tango.

by Anonymousreply 406August 27, 2021 10:19 PM

I hate all politicians (ok, I do hate Republicans more than democrats, but it’s not like I love Biden) and I think Biden 100% did the right thing. It’s time to GTFO of that shit hole desert. Of course there will be deaths and retaliation during our exit. THAT’S WHY NO AMERICAN SHOULD BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

by Anonymousreply 407August 27, 2021 10:57 PM

Trump drew our forces down in Afghanistan to 2,500. And he released 5,000 Taliban prisoners held by the US. Obviously, Trump made it as dangerous as it could be. All because he is an arrogant, narcissistic, uneducated, man baby.

Biden, a bona fide adult, could proceed with the withdrawal deal Trump struck and the mess Trump made. Or he could flood Afghanistan with American forces to more safely get everyone out. If he did, all you Trump loving assholes would be here now screaming that he was escalating the conflict.

All of you Trump apologists... directly to Hell, please.

by Anonymousreply 408August 27, 2021 11:09 PM
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by Anonymousreply 409August 28, 2021 12:17 AM

You just know, r396, that r393 is prostrate with grief over these losses. R409 as well. You're just as upset about these losses, aren't you, r409?

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by Anonymousreply 410August 28, 2021 12:33 AM

How soon we forget! Trump fired Mark Esper and other top DoD officials in November of 2020, and replaced them with loyalists. Security clearances were blocked for Biden transition officials. No intel briefings until November 30.

Once again, the Republicans jump out of the car before it crashes and then leave it to the Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 411August 28, 2021 12:37 AM
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by Anonymousreply 412August 28, 2021 1:15 AM

Is the moron at r402 really trying to claim that Biden has only been president for 24 hours?

by Anonymousreply 413August 28, 2021 2:29 PM

25th Amendment.

by Anonymousreply 414August 28, 2021 2:46 PM

Trump would have handled Afghanistan differently. He'd blame the military for screwing up his plan and then play a round of golf.

by Anonymousreply 415August 28, 2021 2:48 PM

R415, and the media would have let him get away with it.

by Anonymousreply 416August 28, 2021 2:49 PM

R416, were you asleep for the past five years?

by Anonymousreply 417August 28, 2021 5:05 PM

All US troops withdrawn. They can start chunking gays off the roof and beating the women now.

by Anonymousreply 418August 30, 2021 8:37 PM

Whatever r418. That shithole isn't worth any more American lives.

by Anonymousreply 419August 30, 2021 8:44 PM

[quote] Whatever R418.

Wow.

by Anonymousreply 420August 30, 2021 8:50 PM

Yeah wow, r420. We can't be the world's police force. Many countries in the world are complete shit with a culture that's complete shit. We can't do anything about it.

by Anonymousreply 421August 30, 2021 9:01 PM

Anger

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by Anonymousreply 422August 31, 2021 3:28 PM

Did the young man think he had signed up for the risk-free non-dangerous armed services?

by Anonymousreply 423August 31, 2021 3:33 PM

Poor dogs

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by Anonymousreply 424August 31, 2021 4:34 PM

Oh please. Now the US is supposed to be responsible for the stray dogs of Afghanistan?

by Anonymousreply 425August 31, 2021 5:28 PM

[quote]Now the US is supposed to be responsible for the stray dogs of Afghanistan?

Asshole. The point is clear. They were not "strays" until the U.S. abandoned them.

by Anonymousreply 426August 31, 2021 6:46 PM

It’s not a rosary bead

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by Anonymousreply 427September 6, 2021 10:20 AM

They were strays when the US found them r426. Are you seriously suggesting that the US army remain in Afghanistan to look after stray dogs? Let the Afghans look after their own strays and implement a neutering programme.

At least we've moved on from the lie that they were US army dogs.

by Anonymousreply 428September 6, 2021 11:05 AM

Kabul has not been a place to live since 1980.

by Anonymousreply 429September 6, 2021 4:05 PM

What About the American Hostages?

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by Anonymousreply 430September 6, 2021 4:11 PM

Why are you posting right-wing shit here R430?

by Anonymousreply 431September 6, 2021 4:13 PM

Why are you trying to censor, r431?

by Anonymousreply 432September 6, 2021 4:21 PM

R431

Why don't you care about American's trapped in Afghanistan?

by Anonymousreply 433September 6, 2021 10:08 PM

Do fuck off, r433.

by Anonymousreply 434September 6, 2021 10:26 PM

R434 Hahahaha

by Anonymousreply 435September 6, 2021 10:37 PM

Here is a left wing website for you R434

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by Anonymousreply 436September 6, 2021 10:42 PM

These assholes are only concerned about the evacuation when we just 31K Afghan “refugees” just land on American soil. These fucking assholes have absolutely no clue or priority.

by Anonymousreply 437September 6, 2021 10:45 PM

Just *had

by Anonymousreply 438September 6, 2021 10:45 PM

R346 are you getting posters mixed up?

by Anonymousreply 439September 6, 2021 10:47 PM

The President's Waterloo.

by Anonymousreply 440September 6, 2021 10:51 PM

I can’t believe nobody is talking about the 31K “refugees” here in America. Maybe they’re looking to us looking like Paris.

by Anonymousreply 441September 6, 2021 10:54 PM

*looking forward

by Anonymousreply 442September 6, 2021 10:54 PM

Blume that lied about having served. lol

by Anonymousreply 443September 6, 2021 11:46 PM

[quote] Asshole. The point is clear. They were not "strays" until the U.S. abandoned them.

Honey, humans are more important than animals. You’re a fucking PETA loon.

by Anonymousreply 444September 6, 2021 11:47 PM

Dear Kamala @ r440: Omg I was thinking the exact same thought half an hour ago!

by Anonymousreply 445September 7, 2021 8:30 AM

With Joe Xi Jinping Jr. Biden in office, an open southern border, the embarrassment of the Afghan debacle, an influx of thousands of unvetted Afghan refugees, the division of vaxxed and unvaxxed Americans, and the over obsession with white supremacy, it’s opportune for enemies.

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by Anonymousreply 446September 9, 2021 8:33 PM

That's the Washington Examiner, R446.

Doesn't count.

by Anonymousreply 447September 10, 2021 3:34 AM

R447, did you even have to read as far as the link to realize R446 is a parasitic moron? The stupidity right at the beginning should've been enough. If it wasn't, then the bigotry, xenophobia and defense of white supremacy should've been. He's clearly a complete shit.

by Anonymousreply 448September 10, 2021 3:38 AM

[quote]it’s opportune for enemies.

You're the enemy, you white supremacist cunt. It wasn't Chinese or Afghans who tried to killed the VP or spread their feces on the walls or beat the shit out of law enforcement because their orange pile of shit clown prince didn't get his way.

You undemocratic, Neo-Nazi low-life.

by Anonymousreply 449September 10, 2021 3:41 AM

R449 = Boris

by Anonymousreply 450September 10, 2021 3:50 AM

There have been more COVID deaths in Florida over the last two weeks.

Than U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan during the past 20 years.

And they call themselves the pro-life party.

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by Anonymousreply 451September 10, 2021 5:29 AM

A fantastic deal struck by President Obama that keeps on giving

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by Anonymousreply 452September 10, 2021 10:49 AM

Kaboom!

by Anonymousreply 453September 10, 2021 11:28 AM

Nobody cares. America has no natural enemies. We have been tricked into playing mercenary for the British and Saudi royals these last thirty years. Enough!

by Anonymousreply 454September 11, 2021 5:08 AM

Cute how you omit Israel, R454. Like Israel-Firsters haven't been at the helm of US FP for 50 fucking years.

by Anonymousreply 455September 11, 2021 5:24 AM

You are both right, We have been tricked into playing mercenary for the British,Saudi AND Israel for these last thirty years.

by Anonymousreply 456September 12, 2021 7:22 AM

Yes, R455 R456 it's those fucking JEWS fault. EVERYTHING is!

by Anonymousreply 457September 12, 2021 7:29 AM

[quote]You undemocratic, Neo-Nazi low-life.

R449 R455 = One undemocratic Nazi turd condemning another. Hilarious!!

by Anonymousreply 458September 12, 2021 7:36 AM

No one said that R457, stop putting words in people's mouths. They are part of the problem, like the UK is part of the problem like the Saudi Royals are part of the Problem. Take responsibility for god's sake and stop playing victim for every tiny criticism.

America needs to stop being mercenary for every country in Europe. And FYI as I am sure you know, Israel has plenty of weapons and military to defend itself, including a nuclear bomb.

by Anonymousreply 459September 12, 2021 7:37 AM

[quote]stop playing victim for every tiny criticism.

R459 overlooks the anti-Jewish slurs and slanders. But then, that's what Jew-hating turds do. The only "problem" is in your bigoted heads.

by Anonymousreply 460September 12, 2021 7:45 AM

The only problem is you are always a victim. You think Jewish people are the only ones on the planet to deal with slurs? Grow the fuck up. Hate to burst your bubble, Jewish people are no different than any other people on the planet. Some are good and some are not. Own up to your own shit for once.

by Anonymousreply 461September 13, 2021 6:24 AM

R461 More Jew hatred from the Jew-hating turd. Only Jews would debase themselves to defend Jews. The only problem is you stinking up this thread with your Jew hatred, turd!

by Anonymousreply 462September 13, 2021 6:31 AM

R462 love living by the river Denial, it's so peaceful there when all you hear is your own voice.

by Anonymousreply 463September 13, 2021 6:36 AM

R463 Jew-hating turds know ALL about denial.

by Anonymousreply 464September 13, 2021 6:52 AM

It's funny that the media keeps trying to keep Afghanistan in the news by throwing in mentions here and there but the public has lost all interest.

by Anonymousreply 465September 13, 2021 6:58 AM

Are gay men anti-Semitic because they see Jewish people as “weak”?

by Anonymousreply 466September 13, 2021 2:23 PM

Gay men, as a group, are not anti-semitic. What a bigoted premise your stupid question rests upon, R466

by Anonymousreply 467September 13, 2021 2:44 PM

[quote]ay men, as a group, are not anti-semitic.

They are on DL, given the thousands of posts/threads deriding, dengrating and demonizing Jews, including on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 468September 13, 2021 3:19 PM

Individuals, R468. There is a profound difference between denouncing individual anti-semitic posts and the individual anti-semites who post them and your insistence on labeling an entire group anti-semitic.

Who's the bigot? Well... it seems you cannot exclude yourself.

by Anonymousreply 469September 13, 2021 4:24 PM

Anti-semitism is the new trend of the far left.

by Anonymousreply 470September 13, 2021 10:13 PM

Gay male anti-Semitism isn’t just found on Datalounge, I see it on twitter. I see gay men defend Islam and call people “bigots” and “racists”. It’s not just here.

by Anonymousreply 471September 13, 2021 10:19 PM

Gay men defending Islam is not ant-semiotic R471. That's a little self important if you think everyone must be anit another religion to be anti-semitic.

by Anonymousreply 472September 14, 2021 12:12 AM
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