U.S. PENTAGON PRESS SECRETARY CONFIRMS EXPLOSION OUTSIDE KABUL AIRPORT
Kabul Has Fallen
|by Anonymous||reply 472||September 14, 2021 12:12 AM|
Sorry. That was me.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||August 26, 2021 1:57 PM|
This gets worse by the hour.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||August 26, 2021 2:06 PM|
More statues? An entire art museum?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||August 26, 2021 2:07 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 4||August 26, 2021 2:08 PM|
Suicide bomber. At least 15 injured.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||August 26, 2021 2:08 PM|
Per BBC's live updates, the gate was closed at the time due to previous threats. Hopefully very few people were there.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||August 26, 2021 2:12 PM|
In twenty years of U.S. occupation, with all the money we poured into it and all the military and contractors and mercenaries and paid collaborators, Kabul was the only part of Afghanistan that was ever under our control. And the minute we lifted a finger to leave, the "government" we'd been keeping in place did a vanishing act. We were never serious about nation building and liberating women and all that crap. We were there so a few well-placed millionaires could become billionaires.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||August 26, 2021 2:14 PM|
Indeed, this is inauspicious.
I'll make some coffee and cake.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||August 26, 2021 2:20 PM|
[quote] Suicide bomb' blast at Kabul airport: 'Casualties are unclear at this time' Pentagon says following explosion which came hours after warning of imminent ISIS attack targeting evacuation operation
|by Anonymous||reply 9||August 26, 2021 2:20 PM|
Mighty Joe strikes again.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||August 26, 2021 2:25 PM|
[quote] We were never serious about nation building and liberating women and all that crap.
Neither were the Afghans. But they sure as fuck were VERY serious about bilking the very rich but oh so gullible Americans out of all the money they could.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||August 26, 2021 2:25 PM|
Get the Americans out and don’t look back.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||August 26, 2021 2:26 PM|
The great thing about DL is that you know the reality is always going to be about 10% as bad as the hisssstrionic homosexual OP makes it out to be.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||August 26, 2021 2:28 PM|
Reuters reporting two or three US military personnel injured
|by Anonymous||reply 14||August 26, 2021 2:32 PM|
That’s because we hardly applied ourselves in Afghanistan, r7. Went in on the cheap in 2001 mostly using Afghan warlord factions as cannon fodder. Then sent relatively small numbers of occupying troops.
The us could have made more of a difference if it had basically dominated the government and sent a massive occupation force. It would have been a huge undertaking. For what? What is the vital us interest in that god forsaken country?
Would you be willing to join up and go over there and possibly get shot dead in order to turn Afghanistan into a western country? I mean, you do say WE after all.
The US absolutely did not invade Afghanistan to run a war racket. Why Afghanistan? Iraq? Yes. Afghanistan? No. We invaded because Bin Laden worked out of there. The country is worthless otherwise.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||August 26, 2021 2:39 PM|
[quote] Mighty Joe strikes again.
Sorry defacturd, but this is 1000% Trump’s plan. Don’t let the facts get in your way though, you boring troll. They never do.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||August 26, 2021 2:42 PM|
[quote]The us could have made more of a difference if it had basically dominated the government and sent a massive occupation force
Because that worked so well for the Soviets.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||August 26, 2021 2:42 PM|
The Taliban is the government of Afghanistan now. This is their country to deal with. Almost all of our people have left. We're getting out of a lost cause.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||August 26, 2021 2:42 PM|
The US did better in Afghanistan with a light occupation than the Soviets ever did with a massive intervention. So apples and oranges.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||August 26, 2021 2:43 PM|
[quote]The country is worthless otherwise.
Uh, no. The country has vast oil and mineral wealth. Which the Chinese are moving in to happily exploit.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||August 26, 2021 2:43 PM|
R19 Then why did you just suggest sending a huge occupation force?
|by Anonymous||reply 21||August 26, 2021 2:44 PM|
The ONLY conqueror/occupier that did well was the Muslims. Go in, force everyone to become Muslims. Et voila! You cease to be an occupier.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||August 26, 2021 2:45 PM|
Are we the Soviets, r21?
|by Anonymous||reply 23||August 26, 2021 2:45 PM|
And the Taliban will not be able to govern now that it’s unifying force, resistance to the Americans, is gone. The “Taliban” is just a religious rebranding of the typical Afghan coalition of rival tribal forces. They will be at each other’s throats before too long.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||August 26, 2021 2:46 PM|
Alexander the Great couldn't win in Afganistan. It's been the graveyard of empires for centuries. They'll be lots of time to assess if Biden acted correctly. We have to see how things deevelop there. Worse outcome , it becomes a haven for terrorists who attack the U.S. and US interests around the globe.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||August 26, 2021 2:47 PM|
What R16 said.
But add to it that the Afghan president FLED THE COUNTRY. That's not Biden's fault. The Afghan president fled.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||August 26, 2021 2:47 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 27||August 26, 2021 2:48 PM|
R23 What do you think you're proving by asking that? So you think the US did so well with its light occupation but also that the US failed and should've sent a massive occupation if it wanted to do it properly? In other words you have no clue what you're talking about.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||August 26, 2021 2:49 PM|
False flag? "OMG 13 kids dead, we need to go back in and FIGHT!"
|by Anonymous||reply 29||August 26, 2021 2:49 PM|
[quote] Uh, no. The country has vast oil and mineral wealth.
Uh no. Afghanistan has about 2 billion gallons of oil. Saudi has 270 billion gallons of oil. So, where should an oil based foreign policy focus its efforts? On 2 or 270?
|by Anonymous||reply 30||August 26, 2021 2:50 PM|
This is some scary Life Alert shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||August 26, 2021 2:50 PM|
I don’t know if I buy the idea that the Chinese are going to get their hands on Afghanistan’s mineral wealth.
China generally requires broad concessions from any country in which the build infrastructure and I just don’t see the Taliban bowing to them, or anyone else. Particularly when you take into account the fact the the Chinese are currently holding Muslims in concentration camps not terribly far away from the Afghan border.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||August 26, 2021 2:52 PM|
R30 The response was to the erroneous use of the word "worthless". It isn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||August 26, 2021 2:52 PM|
Why would terrorists need a 'haven'? And if they don't play nice- avoid human rights violations, refrain from building nukes- the world can sanction them to filth.
It's not 2001 anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||August 26, 2021 2:52 PM|
[quote] [R23] What do you think you're proving by asking that?
The US is not the Soviets. Afghanistan was the Soviet Vietnam because the soldiers were conscripts and poorly motivated. Each death echoed through society. The military was indoctrinated to fight the Americans and Chinese, not determined guerilla tribesmen.
The US military doctrine was quite effective at suppressing the Taliban. The doctrine abd troop training were right for the job. When we had significant forces there the Taliban were contained. More forces would have eradicated them.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||August 26, 2021 2:55 PM|
[quote]China generally requires broad concessions from any country in which the build infrastructure and I just don’t see the Taliban bowing to them, or anyone else.
It's Asia. China will pay the warlords a shitload of money, the warloads will say thank you very much, have at it. As long as China continues to pay, the warlords will continue to play along.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||August 26, 2021 2:55 PM|
It’s utterly worthless, r33. Taking the resources would cost more than they are worth.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||August 26, 2021 2:55 PM|
Suicide bomber? The taliban won.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||August 26, 2021 2:56 PM|
R35 Yeah, of course, more more more would've won. Own shares in defence contractors by any chance?
|by Anonymous||reply 39||August 26, 2021 2:56 PM|
We did not invade Afghanistan after 9/11 to go after bin Laden and Al Qaeda, we invaded to mollify the American people after 9/11 and simultaneously feed the military-industrial complex. As Obama showed 10 years later, we could get bin Laden and his organization through covert operations... but it's a hell of a lot cheaper to do it that way than to spend $1 trillion (at least), the majority of which is either in corrupt middle eastern hands or corrupt war profiteer's hands. Throwing more US military forces at a guerrilla warriors is not a prescription for success, it is a war profiteer's dream.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||August 26, 2021 2:57 PM|
R37 I'm sure the Chinese took that into consideration in their rush to began negotiations with the warlords.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||August 26, 2021 2:57 PM|
R35, yep. Nope.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||August 26, 2021 2:58 PM|
R16 Yes Trump did negotiate a suspect withdrawal, but when Biden wants to he ignores what Trump did, for instance remain in Mexico policy etc. Biden did a poor job in withdrawing from Afghanistan, I say this as someone who voted for him, and will probably still vote for Democrats, even if I don't agree with all their decisions, as the Republicans seemed to be possessed.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||August 26, 2021 2:59 PM|
R40, we invaded to get Bin Laden, and came within a hair’s breadth of doing so.
Even though he escaped, he spent the next decade basically under house arrest.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||August 26, 2021 3:00 PM|
[quote]More forces would have eradicated them.
Then the US would have been fighting the next bunch of warlords who came to power because the Taliban was no longer there to stop them.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||August 26, 2021 3:00 PM|
Agree r40. It was pure blood lust and that blood lust is now sated. It's long past the point that war had any point at all. Good for Joe Biden for finally admitting the obvious and ending this stupid charade.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||August 26, 2021 3:00 PM|
Ooh, I do hope China is the next fool to walk into the Afghanitrap. I'll make the popcorn!
|by Anonymous||reply 47||August 26, 2021 3:01 PM|
The whole invasion was stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||August 26, 2021 3:02 PM|
[quote]I say this as someone who voted for him, and will probably still vote for Democrats
This never, ever convinces anyone. I don't know why you guys still say it, it just wastes everybody's time.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||August 26, 2021 3:03 PM|
Republican Mary OP!
|by Anonymous||reply 50||August 26, 2021 3:03 PM|
R47 China wants to exploit Afghanistan's mineral wealth. They don't give a flying fuck if the warlords live in the10th century or that they fuck little boys.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||August 26, 2021 3:03 PM|
There's been a second explosion.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||August 26, 2021 3:03 PM|
He came with a "hair's breadth" because Bush withdrew troops to go to Iraq, and in doing so, he revealed the true intent of our Afghanistan folly. And, by the way, how do we know that we almost got bin Laden in Tora Bora? Oh, that's right... covert operations reporting after the fact. round with him?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||August 26, 2021 3:04 PM|
[quote] the fact the the Chinese are currently holding Muslims in concentration camps not terribly far away from the Afghan border.
I've been researching this stuff, and there really aren't concentration camps. It's not like that, but I'm not sure how to convince you.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||August 26, 2021 3:06 PM|
Second explosion was at a hotel near the airport gate.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||August 26, 2021 3:06 PM|
How did Gayle King become a CBS new anchor? Anyway, she's interrupting The Price is Right with this memo.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||August 26, 2021 3:07 PM|
[quote] They don't give a flying fuck if the warlords live in the10th century or that they fuck little boys.
And neither do we, really. We are perfectly happy with Saudi Arabia and all the Gulf countries being complete assholes. And many other countries around the world as well. It's a nice little story we like to tell ourselves, but we really don't give a damn about most shit going on around the world. Except when we feel like bombing something, for other reasons. Then we pretend to care.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||August 26, 2021 3:10 PM|
R54 They're re-education camps. Where Uyghurs are harangued by cadres day and night about the "proper" way to think. Exactly like on DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||August 26, 2021 3:10 PM|
R56, by licking Oprah’s taint, that’s how.
And by holding a few *cards*.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||August 26, 2021 3:12 PM|
I love it when people say the US invasion was imperialist yet did not exploit this supposed cornucopia of natural resources. Yes that certainly makes a lot of sense!
|by Anonymous||reply 60||August 26, 2021 3:13 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 61||August 26, 2021 3:14 PM|
[quote] Second explosion was at a hotel near the airport gate.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||August 26, 2021 3:14 PM|
[quote]And neither do we, really. We are perfectly happy with Saudi Arabia and all the Gulf countries being complete assholes.
Realpolitik 1A. We're perfectly happy to turn a blind eye when it's in our interest to do so.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||August 26, 2021 3:18 PM|
Turning a blind eye to another country's internal affairs is not a bad thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||August 26, 2021 3:19 PM|
The best assessment of this mess I’ve seen
|by Anonymous||reply 65||August 26, 2021 3:21 PM|
R64 It's all hypocritical horseshit. We'll keep quiet about A because it's in our interests to do so. We'll squeal in outrage about B, because it assuages our guilt at keeping quiet about A.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||August 26, 2021 3:22 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 67||August 26, 2021 3:22 PM|
Been there done that.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||August 26, 2021 3:24 PM|
[quote]He came with a "hair's breadth" because Bush withdrew troops to go to Iraq, and in doing so, he revealed the true intent of our Afghanistan folly. And, by the way, how do we know that we almost got bin Laden in Tora Bora?
R53 Mattis gives an account of it in "Call Sign Chaos" -- It's chilling to think we could have gotten bin Laden in Tora Bora before he escaped to Pakistan.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||August 26, 2021 3:25 PM|
MANY fatalities, not just casualties. Peter Bergen CNN
|by Anonymous||reply 70||August 26, 2021 3:26 PM|
Can we now stop pretending that the foreign policy geniuses of the past 30+ years know what they're doing? Enough warmongering.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||August 26, 2021 3:27 PM|
Glad we're getting out of there. Fuck Afghans, they're savages.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||August 26, 2021 3:28 PM|
Who gives 2 fucks?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||August 26, 2021 3:28 PM|
Yeah, we missed Bin Laden, and then Bush started talking about how little he thought about him. We were on to our next excellent adventure in Iraq and nobody was supposed to give a shit about bin Laden anymore. What a sick joke this whole thing has been. Glad it's finally ending.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||August 26, 2021 3:28 PM|
I don't care, do you?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||August 26, 2021 3:30 PM|
Strap Trump to MOAB 2 and drop it on Haibatullah Akhundzada. Win-win.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||August 26, 2021 3:30 PM|
Gentlemen, you know and I know that the next time the Sauds or the al Sabahs get panicky about their absolute control and power, they'll be on the horn to their white slaves the US, and the US will be heading back to the region. The only imponderable is the "excuse" for doing it. Should be a doozy, akin to Bush's "bringing democracy to Iraq".
|by Anonymous||reply 77||August 26, 2021 3:31 PM|
Can it get up?
|by Anonymous||reply 78||August 26, 2021 3:31 PM|
[quote]Can we now stop pretending that the foreign policy geniuses of the past 30+ years know what they're doing?
One of the challenges of dealing with the current resistance to scientific expertise in terms of climate change, covid, et al is that the "experts" the government has relied on in other areas have proven completely inept.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||August 26, 2021 3:33 PM|
R77 has given you the only reason you need to make your next vehicle ELECTRIC.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||August 26, 2021 3:33 PM|
China isn't falling into any trap. The average IQ of their leaders is substantially higher than our leaders'. They also see the angles better than we do. They keep 5000 years of history in mind in every decision.
[quote] When I was in elementary school in China in the 1930s, I remember learning about Zhang Qian’s expedition to central Asia [in ~130 BC], including present-day Afghanistan, in the Han dynasty. While this expedition is remembered mostly for establishing the Silk Road, the trade route linking China with the West, Zhang also shared his experience of the rivalries and conflicts that dominated the region; China’s engagement there was focused on trade, not conquest.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||August 26, 2021 3:34 PM|
R32 this is one pretty informative video. A good introduction. It's engaging: he speaks well. Take it or leave it, of course. Up to you.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||August 26, 2021 3:37 PM|
Also this one is interesting. Very balanced, in my opinion.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||August 26, 2021 3:48 PM|
What did you think was going to happen? A 4th of July parade? The US has unsuccessfully fought in Afghanistan for almost 20 years. Dubya sent us over there to funnel trillion$ of give money to contractors, including his own family. 9/11 was a bunch of barely educated Saudi dupes committing a “Pearl Harbor type” situation in order to go into 2 countries unrelated to the bombers and extract oil & minerals by military contractors. Only 2016, only 25% of personnel on the ground were members of US military. 75% were military contractors using 70% foreign citizens as employees (mostly Afghanis). That’s what your taxes paid for. A drilling and min8ng scheme by contractors employing locals to extract wealth you’ll never get a piece of.
So of course Kabul will be transferred to someone else. We never fucking cared about the Taliban to begin with. We FOUNDED the Taliban in the 1980s to fight the USSR. Most Americans weren’t born or hadn’t emigrated to the US during the time Dan Rather went behind the lines with jihadis on 60 minutes. It was a huge thing watching Rather dressed in Afghan clothing
|by Anonymous||reply 84||August 26, 2021 3:51 PM|
How does this fucking affect any of you freeper cunt fucks who are flicking your nipples as you type?
|by Anonymous||reply 85||August 26, 2021 3:53 PM|
Video of bodies piled up in a sewage canal outside the airport gate explosion site.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||August 26, 2021 3:53 PM|
Biden better have the military speed this up. Or just head home now.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||August 26, 2021 3:57 PM|
Sorry - Biden *might want to consider having the military
|by Anonymous||reply 88||August 26, 2021 3:58 PM|
To clarify, the bodies weren't moved to a sewage canal, the bombing happened in the canal. It was an empty canal being used for people who were standing in line after going through some preliminary processing.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||August 26, 2021 4:00 PM|
Actually I should clarify that I saw a second video a minute ago and there was water, so some canals weren't empty, but I believe the people in the canal were blown into it from the blast. I don't think people have been standing in sewage while waiting in line.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||August 26, 2021 4:04 PM|
I used to like Ezra and thought he was kind of cute. When did he become a war historian? Who asked for his opinion, here? Why can't he write succinctly without big words? He's such a inflated blowhard now.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||August 26, 2021 4:05 PM|
R91, Ezra Klein?
|by Anonymous||reply 92||August 26, 2021 4:08 PM|
“Kabul Has Fallen,” OP? Really? To whom?
|by Anonymous||reply 93||August 26, 2021 4:08 PM|
Is Grindr down???!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 94||August 26, 2021 4:13 PM|
More video from this freelance journalist at the scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||August 26, 2021 4:15 PM|
Yes Ezra Klein. R65 had linked to an opinion piece.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||August 26, 2021 4:15 PM|
I referred to that video at r95 earlier and didn't post it because it was graphic. Both videos posted so far are GRAPHIC. Just know that before clicking.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||August 26, 2021 4:17 PM|
How many virgins does a Muslim suicide bomber (redundant, I know) got for blowing up muslims?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||August 26, 2021 4:21 PM|
Was a full-scale invasion and overthrow of the Taliban in 2001 absolutely necessary in the first place?
|by Anonymous||reply 99||August 26, 2021 4:21 PM|
Why, yes it was, Rose.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||August 26, 2021 4:23 PM|
R98 72 Virgins
|by Anonymous||reply 101||August 26, 2021 4:28 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 102||August 26, 2021 4:29 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 103||August 26, 2021 4:31 PM|
Watching the videos at R86 and R95 make me incredibly sad. The taking of innocent human life is a great evil, and that's exactly what these Taliban, Isis, Al Qaeda, etc, fucks are. Pure evil.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||August 26, 2021 4:31 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 105||August 26, 2021 4:32 PM|
A fair bit of damage
|by Anonymous||reply 106||August 26, 2021 4:36 PM|
[quote]I've been researching this stuff, and there really aren't concentration camps.
[quote]China isn't falling into any trap. The average IQ of their leaders is substantially higher than our leaders'. They also see the angles better than we do. They keep 5000 years of history in mind in every decision.
I've never believed there were that many paid trolls on this site, but this absolutely SCREAMS "paid troll."
|by Anonymous||reply 107||August 26, 2021 4:41 PM|
I don’t understand why we can’t win JUST ONE war. Just one. We spend trillions of taxpayer money on the military and this is what we get. After 20 years, did we at least get a Costco or WalMart set up? A Starbucks? Even just a Panda Express or strip mall?
|by Anonymous||reply 108||August 26, 2021 4:44 PM|
R107, block me then. I've been reading Kishore Mahbubani, Martin Jacques, and others. I've been learning stuff. Sorry you were so triggered by a Yellow Peril flashback that you had to block me and look me up. Didn't you see all the other non-China stuff?
But keep your mind closed. I'm sure it's put you on top of the world, the successful all-American billionaire that you are.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||August 26, 2021 4:45 PM|
R108, nothing. Not one American or global retailer outlet.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||August 26, 2021 4:46 PM|
Ok R104 Please add USA to the list of evil because USA is responsible for 460,000 war casualties in IRAQ.
Afghan civilian casualties in 20 years: 47,245.
Neither war justified. SO FUCK OFF if you can't distribute blame and shame to all deserving parties.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||August 26, 2021 4:49 PM|
[quote]fter 20 years, did we at least get a Costco or WalMart set up?
At one point, the Bagram airbase had a Burger King, Green Beans Coffee, Pizza Hut, Subway and more.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||August 26, 2021 4:49 PM|
I've been researching this stuff, and I've come to the conclusion that a grilled cheese sandwich just wouldn't be complete without Kraft Singles(TM).
|by Anonymous||reply 113||August 26, 2021 4:49 PM|
I totally disagree, r113.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||August 26, 2021 5:01 PM|
Four Marines killed as per WSJ. Oy!
|by Anonymous||reply 115||August 26, 2021 5:04 PM|
The WSJ report (article is paywalled.)
[quote] The U.S. ambassador in Kabul has told staff there that four U.S. Marines were killed in an explosion at the city’s airport and three wounded, a U.S. official with knowledge of the briefing said.
If this is true Biden is FUCKED. Those Marines were there because of him.
CNN reporting “a number of US servicemen were killed.”
|by Anonymous||reply 116||August 26, 2021 5:17 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 117||August 26, 2021 5:17 PM|
Are you the Biden is FUCKED troll, r116? You just come off as mentally challenged.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||August 26, 2021 5:19 PM|
Pentagon confirms “a number of US servicemembers were killed.”
|by Anonymous||reply 119||August 26, 2021 5:21 PM|
His approval rating will plunge even further now.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||August 26, 2021 5:21 PM|
And then it will go back up. What's your point, r120?
|by Anonymous||reply 121||August 26, 2021 5:23 PM|
Bumbling Joe Biden has blood on his hands now.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||August 26, 2021 5:23 PM|
[quote]Those Marines were there because of him.
There's just no reasoning with someone as stupid as you.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||August 26, 2021 5:25 PM|
R116. You are deeply stupid. Or a bad liar.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||August 26, 2021 5:27 PM|
The two are not mutually exclusive r124.
Add fat, and r116 has a trifecta on his hands.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||August 26, 2021 5:29 PM|
[quote]If this is true Biden is FUCKED. Those Marines were there because of him.
Now tell us how many U.S. personnel died in Afghanistan during Trump's tenure. And how deeply you cared about their deaths.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||August 26, 2021 5:31 PM|
Military personnel die in war zones? Unheard of until today.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||August 26, 2021 5:32 PM|
The problem here is the all-volunteer military.
Reinstate compulsory military service and a draft and a whole lot of shit will change for the better.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||August 26, 2021 5:34 PM|
Four dead American troops confirmed by Pentagon, and others wounded.
Everyone knew that an ISIS-K attack was likely if not imminent.
Had evacuations been quietly begun months earlier, there would be far fewer people crowding the gates and inside the airport.
Exiting the foolhardy Afghan experiment was correct. The handling of the exit was abysmal.
Biden gets credit for calling an end to involvement in Afghanistant.
He also gets the blame for how hastily and tardily the evacuation took place. Those dead American troops are going to be very, very bad optics for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||August 26, 2021 5:35 PM|
R128 Agreed! All males 18-34 must serve 2 years - mandatory.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||August 26, 2021 5:36 PM|
r122 - He isn't Lady Macbeth, troll.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||August 26, 2021 5:37 PM|
ISIS suicide bombers attacking civilians in Afghanistan? Unheard of until today.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||August 26, 2021 5:37 PM|
The Middle East is so fucked up.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||August 26, 2021 5:40 PM|
We have to stop being dependent on oil and let the ME blow themselves up once and for all.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||August 26, 2021 5:44 PM|
r133 is the reason the word understatement was invented.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||August 26, 2021 5:47 PM|
Thanks, Joe. They didn't threaten until YOU started this. You have the blood of our soldiers on your hands, but you'll never admit it.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||August 26, 2021 5:48 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 137||August 26, 2021 5:51 PM|
I've decided to avoid threads on this event for a few days as it is nothing but peak trolling. Ta!
|by Anonymous||reply 138||August 26, 2021 5:51 PM|
R136 can't possibly believe that there were no ISIS suicide bombers killing civilians in Afghanistan until now.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||August 26, 2021 5:52 PM|
Love the absolute fury of the defenders of Our Joe at anyone who dares criticize their hero.
So what will the final death toll of the killed servicemembers be? And how many were wounded, and how seriously? All we know of either is “a number of..”
|by Anonymous||reply 140||August 26, 2021 5:53 PM|
You have toilet paper on the bottom of your shoe, r136.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||August 26, 2021 5:53 PM|
R140 They’re the blue equivalent of Trump supporters they, can’t accept any criticism of dear leader.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||August 26, 2021 5:55 PM|
Photo of the scene just prior to the attack. That canal is now piled with bodies.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||August 26, 2021 5:57 PM|
Four U.S. Marines and civilians killed.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||August 26, 2021 5:59 PM|
Care to discuss the Kurds in Syria, r140? Or how about Yemen, Niger, and Somalia? Any of the trolls on this thread want to discuss those?
|by Anonymous||reply 145||August 26, 2021 5:59 PM|
We are leaving this hellhole in 5 days. Maybe I am naive but doesn't this make a neat, packaged departure less likely? Americans were killed. Maybe they secretly want us to remain? Why now when thy were going to be rid of in five lousy days.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||August 26, 2021 6:00 PM|
Holy Mary Mother of God those videos are horrible. I wish Id never watched them. You cant unsee shit like that once you see it.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||August 26, 2021 6:03 PM|
So what now, Joe? What will our “swift and decisive response” be?
|by Anonymous||reply 148||August 26, 2021 6:05 PM|
[quote] Would you fuck off with this “mighty Joe Biden” bullshit, OP? “Mighty Joe Biden” is not and will not be a thing no matter how hard you try to make it happen.
[quote] Video of bodies piled up in a sewage canal outside the airport gate explosion site.
[quote] More video from this freelance journalist at the scene.
[quote] The WSJ report (article is paywalled.) If this is true Biden is FUCKED. Those Marines were there because of him. CNN reporting “a number of US servicemen were killed.”
[quote] Pentagon confirms “a number of US servicemembers were killed.”
[quote] Bumbling Joe Biden has blood on his hands now.
[quote] Love the absolute fury of the defenders of Our Joe at anyone who dares criticize their hero. So what will the final death toll of the killed servicemembers be? And how many were wounded, and how seriously? All we know of either is “a number of..”
[quote] Photo of the scene just prior to the attack. That canal is now piled with bodies.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||August 26, 2021 6:06 PM|
The hundreds of people ISIL killed in Afghanistan before Biden even took office are somehow less dead than these people, I suppose.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||August 26, 2021 6:07 PM|
Four servicemen killed vs. how many during the previous three administrations? Some of you need to put down the crack pipe.
There's an excellent piece in the NY Times by David Leonhardt that you "Biden is dead meat" Cassandras should read before typing another word.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||August 26, 2021 6:08 PM|
[quote]Gentlemen, you know and I know that the next time the Sauds or the al Sabahs get panicky about their absolute control and power, they'll be on the horn to their white slaves the US, and the US will be heading back to the region. The only imponderable is the "excuse" for doing it.
You know, I really think this kind of thing is over. If a President started rattling the saber about another military excursion in the Middle East, I really think many politicians wouldn't stand for it like they did with Iraq and Afghanistand, and the American public would be out in the streets. We've all seen how this shit plays out, we know it's futile, and we're beyond sick of it and the Middle East itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||August 26, 2021 6:08 PM|
BREAKING: 10 U.S. service members killed in Kabul blasts, @JenGriffinFNC
|by Anonymous||reply 153||August 26, 2021 6:09 PM|
Bored of the whole topic. Thank God a hurricane is forming in the Gulf.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||August 26, 2021 6:09 PM|
So it will come down to Taliban vs. ISIS.
ISIS thinks the Taliban is too moderate.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||August 26, 2021 6:09 PM|
[quote]Maybe they secretly want us to remain?
ISIS? No, they were mad that the Taliban took over, and that they went into the jails in Kabul and killed a lot of ISIS members and a few leaders.
I suppose they might want the U.S. to remain because they think we'll take out the Taliban, but I doubt it.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||August 26, 2021 6:12 PM|
R39 I am not the person you responded to but I suspect you might be someone I'm talking to in another thread and I just want to ask if you understand what conversation is. It's possible to discuss something, or point out a specific angle, without necessarily endorsing it - you get that, right? It might be interesting to discuss what the US could have done better in Afghanistan. It should be possible to say "I think X would have worked" or "I don't think X would have worked because Y" etc. without idiots jumping in with "oWn sHarEs iN a deFensE coNtraCToR bY aNy cHanCe?!" Let people talk.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||August 26, 2021 6:13 PM|
So based on the shit I'm seeing on TV we should be leaving Afghanistan flawlessly with no conflict, while also staying there indefinitely, while we nuke them back to the 8th century? All at the same time?
|by Anonymous||reply 158||August 26, 2021 6:14 PM|
There's apparently just been a THIRD BOMB - read it on twitter - no link yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||August 26, 2021 6:14 PM|
further details >>
|by Anonymous||reply 160||August 26, 2021 6:16 PM|
I'd like to believe that R152, but we were supposed to learn that lesson from Vietnam. 1991 and the past 20 years have demonstrated how easily the public can be led into cheering a fiasco.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||August 26, 2021 6:18 PM|
Yup R107. That's an obvious troll. Complete with "I mean, I'm just trying to help, why not check out these entirely reasonable Youtube videos about how the genocide isn't actually happening and China is the natural High-IQ leader of the world with only the best of intentions and form your own opinion?" helpful links.
And if you're really not a troll, R109 (you are, though), the only other possibility is that you're a dupe - and I don't know which of those two options is the worst. Probably the latter. At least a troll is making their small fee per post. Blocking you now before I get sucked in.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||August 26, 2021 6:20 PM|
So Taliban and IS don't get along? Aren't they pretty much the same? They're lunatic religious fanatics who hate women and like little boys.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||August 26, 2021 6:20 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 164||August 26, 2021 6:22 PM|
R163 provides a perfect snapshot of how the GOP and our shit press are so easily able to mislead so much of this country about so many things.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||August 26, 2021 6:25 PM|
[quote]They're lunatic religious fanatics who hate women and like little boys.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||August 26, 2021 6:25 PM|
[quote] Taliban and IS don't get along? Aren't they pretty much the same?
No, they're not the same, they dislike each other. R164's link is a good one.
The right wing news has been trying to push the idea that the Taliban has "freed ISIS leaders" and they will now work together to come after the U.S., and I'm sad to say that MSNBC even had one of Bush Jr's old cronies on to spread that lie as well.
It should alarm everyone just how many lies the press has been telling about this situation.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||August 26, 2021 6:26 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 168||August 26, 2021 6:27 PM|
Can someone please copy and paste the NYTimes articles? Not all of us have a subscription.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||August 26, 2021 6:30 PM|
For now, R152, for now. History shows it takes about 20 years, or a single generation, for Americans to entirely forget how upset they were about the last futile, badly planned and astronomically expensive foreign adventure and clamor for a new one. Bin Laden knew that. He knew you spoiled, advantaged fuckers better than you know yourselves. A lot of the people screaming about the way this is being handled right now are the same people who were pinning American flags to their lapels and condemning anyone who was less then fully enthused for war in 2001 as anti-American when the truth is this (what's happening) was 100% predictable. Why? Because it's war, and because innocent people always die by the sewage ditch load in wars.
Cheering for war is cheering for the thing people now act like they're against. It's cheering for death and destruction. Sometimes it's necessary, but the discussion should always be a serious one, and war should only ever be the last resort. How blessed and also cursed the USA is to be generally insulated, by the luck of geography, from the material consequences of its actions.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||August 26, 2021 6:31 PM|
I’m afraid the number of casualties will continue to rise
|by Anonymous||reply 171||August 26, 2021 6:33 PM|
The number of casualties always rises, R171. Once established, it never recedes. There is only one direction it can go. Up, up and up.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||August 26, 2021 6:34 PM|
R171 Ya think?
|by Anonymous||reply 173||August 26, 2021 6:34 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 174||August 26, 2021 6:44 PM|
Biden needs to say something.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||August 26, 2021 6:47 PM|
Thoughts and prayers.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||August 26, 2021 6:50 PM|
WOW 12 service members killed, 15 wounded.
|by Anonymous||reply 177||August 26, 2021 7:02 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 178||August 26, 2021 7:07 PM|
Costs of the Afghanistan war, in lives and dollars
Hundreds of people run alongside a U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane, some climbing on the plane, as it moves down a runway of the international airport, in Kabul, Afghanistan, Monday, Aug.16. 2021. Thousands of Afghans have rushed onto the tarmac at the airport, some so desperate to escape the Taliban capture of their country that they held onto the American military jet as it took off and plunged to death. (Verified UGC via AP)
Hundreds of people run alongside a U.S. Air Force C-17 transport plane, some climbing on the plane, as it moves down a runway of the international airport, in Kabul, Afghanistan, Monday, Aug.16. 2021. Thousands of Afghans have rushed onto the tarmac at the airport, some so desperate to escape the Taliban capture of their country that they held onto the American military jet as it took off and plunged to death. (Verified UGC via AP)
At just short of 20 years, the now-ending U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan was America’s longest war. Ordinary Americans tended to forget about it, and it received measurably less oversight from Congress than the Vietnam War did. But its death toll is in the many tens of thousands. And because the U.S. borrowed most of the money to pay for it, generations of Americans will be burdened by the cost of paying it off.
Here’s a look at the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, by the numbers, as the Taliban in a lightning offensive take over much of the country before the United States’ Aug. 31 deadline for ending its combat role and as the U.S. speeds up American and Afghan evacuations.
Much of the data below is from Linda Bilmes of Harvard University’s Kennedy School and from the Brown University Costs of War project. Because the United States between 2003 and 2011 fought the Afghanistan and Iraq wars simultaneously, and many American troops served tours in both wars, some figures as noted cover both post-9/11 U.S. wars.
THE LONGEST WAR:
Percentage of U.S. population born since the 2001 attacks plotted by al-Qaida leaders who were sheltering in Afghanistan: Roughly one out of every four.
THE HUMAN COST:
American service members killed in Afghanistan through April: 2,448.
U.S. contractors: 3,846.
Afghan national military and police: 66,000.
Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.
Afghan civilians: 47,245.
Taliban and other opposition fighters: 51,191.
Aid workers: 444.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||August 26, 2021 7:11 PM|
Bush must be feeling so smug.
|by Anonymous||reply 180||August 26, 2021 7:13 PM|
[quote] Bush must be feeling so smug.
Why because he got us into this mess and then despite having zero credibility, protested leaving?
|by Anonymous||reply 181||August 26, 2021 7:15 PM|
Bush isn't getting enough shit for this. He got "rehabilitated" by the kool kids.
Meanwhile, after today, I don't see how old Joe comes back from this. One way or another, bend over for Kamala.
Worst fucking nightmare for those poor marines and their families. Almost out of there, and then this shitshow. Tragic and enraging.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||August 26, 2021 7:22 PM|
Should have voted for Kerry.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||August 26, 2021 7:23 PM|
Should have voted for Pete.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||August 26, 2021 7:26 PM|
Trending in both US and UK twitter for the last two hours:
|by Anonymous||reply 185||August 26, 2021 7:29 PM|
12 American soldiers killed and 15 wounded.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||August 26, 2021 7:29 PM|
^^^^^ How dare they??!! They forgot to add "Mighty Joe" to that hashtag at r186.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||August 26, 2021 7:30 PM|
3rd bomb just went off.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||August 26, 2021 7:31 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 189||August 26, 2021 7:35 PM|
Did Biden think these terrorists were just dicking around? Does he think he can control the Taliban?
|by Anonymous||reply 190||August 26, 2021 7:36 PM|
At least 12 U.S. troops killed in Kabul airport attack, officials say
|by Anonymous||reply 191||August 26, 2021 7:37 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 192||August 26, 2021 7:41 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 193||August 26, 2021 7:44 PM|
^ Of course he will. And the Borises will just pick up another bogus complaint and pretend they haven't been yelling WHeRe iS tHe PResiDenT all day.
|by Anonymous||reply 194||August 26, 2021 7:44 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 195||August 26, 2021 7:45 PM|
Kabul airport attack: - ISIS claims responsibility for attack - 12 American soldiers killed, 15 wounded - More than 60 Afghan civilians killed - Taliban accuses U.S. of failing to secure area - Pentagon expects more attacks
|by Anonymous||reply 196||August 26, 2021 7:46 PM|
[quote]I’m afraid the number of casualties will continue to rise
And now the Rethugs and the press can all put on a show of how "devastated" they are when in fact they all jizzed their pants the moment those bombs went off. This is what they've been hoping and waiting for for the last 10 days. Not a one of them could give two shits about those dead soldiers and Afghans.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||August 26, 2021 7:48 PM|
Yup, 12 service members dead. Fucking American decline, man. It's a nightmare.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||August 26, 2021 7:50 PM|
At least two dozen students from San Diego, along with some parents, are stranded at the airport. Of all the places in the world for students to travel, why here? Dumber than stupid!
|by Anonymous||reply 199||August 26, 2021 7:54 PM|
But....but....didn't Trump rid the world of ISIS?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||August 26, 2021 7:54 PM|
Sorry, folks. Next time, if there is one, plan better.
|by Anonymous||reply 201||August 26, 2021 7:56 PM|
R16 Again, not me. I support the troop withdrawal. You’re the boring one for assuming you know how I feel instead of taking the time to get to know me.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||August 26, 2021 7:57 PM|
So will the Euro Trash shut the fuck up now about extending the deadline!
|by Anonymous||reply 203||August 26, 2021 8:01 PM|
Biden is scheduled to speak @ 5:00pm EST
|by Anonymous||reply 204||August 26, 2021 8:03 PM|
Mighty Joe is going to be impeached when the GOP retake the house.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||August 26, 2021 8:04 PM|
R205 he better fucking not be. I don’t want to be stuck with that skanky bitch Kamala.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||August 26, 2021 8:05 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 207||August 26, 2021 8:05 PM|
Euro trash have followed you in your wars and Euro trash have been killed in your wars. But I don't think that will happen anymore. America has been acting like crap with the rest of the world for too long.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||August 26, 2021 8:06 PM|
[quote] Biden is scheduled to speak @ 5:00pm EST
But he didn't have time to prepare!
|by Anonymous||reply 209||August 26, 2021 8:06 PM|
Wow, 12! Only 12?
|by Anonymous||reply 210||August 26, 2021 8:06 PM|
[quote] U.S. officials provided Taliban with names of Americans, Afghan allies to evacuate. “Basically, they just put all those Afghans on a kill list,” said one defense official.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||August 26, 2021 8:08 PM|
[quote]Mighty Joe is going to be impeached when the GOP retake the house.
Already priming the base.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||August 26, 2021 8:08 PM|
Joe's had two brain aneurysms.
The stress of Afghanistan could result in a third, or worse.
Then, we're fucked.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||August 26, 2021 8:09 PM|
Douse yourself in acid, R205. Most Americans realize this was inevitable.
The only voters that'll blame Biden are braindead Trumpers like you that were never gonna vote for him, anyway.
And please stop pretending you give a rat's ass about U.S. soldiers or the Afghan populace. You couldn't find the place on a map and jizzed your xxx-large pants when word came that the bombs blew up.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||August 26, 2021 8:10 PM|
[quote]Biden is scheduled to speak @ 5:00pm EST
Is Kamala back in the USA? Will she be present?
|by Anonymous||reply 215||August 26, 2021 8:11 PM|
Trump rid the world of ISIS just as successfully as he rid the world of COVID.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||August 26, 2021 8:14 PM|
Glad to put this Afghanistan debacle behind us. It’s sad that people are getting killed or hurt. But in the end it’s going to be less catastrophic than staying there.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||August 26, 2021 8:15 PM|
You actually think that this is all behind us, r217?
|by Anonymous||reply 218||August 26, 2021 8:19 PM|
The Afghani "government" was just enriching themselves and planning an escape route the second the US left. They gave their kids Ivy League level college educations, bought houses in Europe, and were waiting for the day to ditch their miserable country. Afghanistan has been a lost cause for centuries because of the warring tribes and the difficult geography.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||August 26, 2021 8:19 PM|
"behind us" The 12 soldiers killed was just a few hours ago. My God, what selfishness. And it's people like this who think they are so much better than the trumpers. You are the same
|by Anonymous||reply 220||August 26, 2021 8:19 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 221||August 26, 2021 8:20 PM|
[quote]My God, what selfishness
FUCK YOU AND FUCK OFF.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||August 26, 2021 8:21 PM|
R215, If her black pantsuit is back from the dry cleaners.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||August 26, 2021 8:21 PM|
Thanks, Trump. Praying fervently that the Devil takes you soon.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||August 26, 2021 8:22 PM|
Real selfishness: ignoring all the people killed by ISIL in Afghanistan over the past 6+ years, just because their deaths don't fit the "OMG Biden disaster!" narrative.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||August 26, 2021 8:23 PM|
If Trumps Taliban deal was so bad, why did Biden execute it?
The blame lies with every administration of the past 20 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||August 26, 2021 8:24 PM|
I know. ^^^
|by Anonymous||reply 227||August 26, 2021 8:25 PM|
[quote]Euro trash have followed you in your wars and Euro trash have been killed in your wars. But I don't think that will happen anymore. America has been acting like crap with the rest of the world for too long.
And the Euro Trash should shut up, sit down and be quiet. Obey your Master! (kidding) or maybe not.
|by Anonymous||reply 228||August 26, 2021 8:25 PM|
R225 that is.
|by Anonymous||reply 229||August 26, 2021 8:25 PM|
Because someone had to be an ADULT and get America out of that hell hole. Biden will be praised by history once this is all over. War is messy, please do tell of one that has not been. I will wait.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||August 26, 2021 8:27 PM|
Is he going to ask someone to resign? Secretary of Defense?
|by Anonymous||reply 231||August 26, 2021 8:27 PM|
A million upvotes for you^.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||August 26, 2021 8:27 PM|
[quote]If Trumps Taliban deal was so bad, why did Biden execute it?
Because President shithead locked us into leaving. Next stupid question?
|by Anonymous||reply 233||August 26, 2021 8:28 PM|
R230 that is.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||August 26, 2021 8:28 PM|
The Biden stans are delusional, no different from the MAGA cult.
|by Anonymous||reply 235||August 26, 2021 8:28 PM|
R228 Don' worry, everyone has understood that you are not kidding. You have no friends or allies. A nation of unscrupulous thugs who think they are the Roman Empire and that the entire world belongs to them. Someone even had the audacity to put it on the dollar bill (yeah I'm kidding too) or maybe not.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||August 26, 2021 8:30 PM|
Wow, the West is a mess.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||August 26, 2021 8:31 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 238||August 26, 2021 8:32 PM|
[quote]The Biden stans are delusional, no different from the MAGA cult.
In related news you trolls don't give a flying fuck about Afghanistan, the Taliban or US soldiers. This is about inflicting damage on Biden first and foremost. You've made that remarkably clear.
|by Anonymous||reply 239||August 26, 2021 8:33 PM|
[quote] A nation of unscrupulous thugs who think they are the Roman Empire and that the entire
Wow, you are so sharp, you saw all the buildings go up in Washington DC over 100 years ago that resembled Roman Architecture and you just now figured that out? What kind of tea are you drinking!
|by Anonymous||reply 240||August 26, 2021 8:35 PM|
[quote]Euro trash have followed you in your wars and Euro trash have been killed in your wars. But I don't think that will happen anymore. America has been acting like crap with the rest of the world for too long.
Bitch Please, we always return the favor 10 fold. We love you like our luggage.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||August 26, 2021 8:36 PM|
R226 Trump drew down US forces until there was less than half the number of Taliban fighters he had released from prison.
The Taliban promised a cease fire on the condition we LEAVE. They mostly kept their word. Meanwhile ISIL ratcheted up their attacks, leading to 105+ dead in Afghanistan in 2020 alone. The US continued its drawdown over the year so we had no ability to combat them, and the Taliban 5000 stronger continued making gains as they battled ISIL.
Biden pushed the May 1 deadline to improve the logistics around withdrawal. But absent another "surge" destined to go about as well as all the rest of them (meaning, poorly) he had to continue the withdrawal. There were not enough US forces left to combat a resurgence of Taliban aggression IN ADDITION TO ISIL. And there was no way they were just going to sit and wait indefinitely for us to finally leave as promised.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||August 26, 2021 8:38 PM|
^ That should be 150+ dead.
|by Anonymous||reply 243||August 26, 2021 8:39 PM|
For all of the bragging about gathering secret intel, why does the US wait so long to evacuate their citizens?
|by Anonymous||reply 244||August 26, 2021 8:39 PM|
R238, John Bolton is a warmongering piece of shit. Nobody gives a fuck what he has to say except fellow warmongers like Liz Cheney.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||August 26, 2021 8:39 PM|
R239 Obviously damage will be rightfully inflicted on Biden he’s the current commander in chief. I voted for him, that doesn’t mean that I’m going to blindly worship him or any other politician.
Deprogram yourself and quit the whataboutism.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||August 26, 2021 8:41 PM|
R240 R241 Lol the buildings of the Roman Empire are 3000 years old. They brought civilization and wonderful things in all the countries they conquered. This is not the case for the USA. A building that is only 100 years old is worthless in the rest of the world. But by the time you understand it... It's like thinking you can bring democracy to the Afghans, the Iraqis, the Syrians, the Vietnamese. The problem is that it was the Greeks who invented democracy. The copy is always poor quality, bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||August 26, 2021 8:41 PM|
[quote]he buildings of the Roman Empire are 3000 years old. They brought civilization and wonderful things in all the countries they conquered.
Yes like state sanctioned slavery.
Oh but you must know all about that, thanks for setting up the slave trade in America. We still suffer from your "business" model of trade.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||August 26, 2021 8:44 PM|
R199 Any parent traveling there with "students", for any reason, needs they head examined. Hey, where do we want to go this summer?
|by Anonymous||reply 249||August 26, 2021 8:46 PM|
[quote]For all of the bragging about gathering secret intel, why does the US wait so long to evacuate their citizens?
It's not an absolute. You may be able to tell a sucide bombing is being planned, but no one can predict the exact place and time. They did say it was eminent and would be near the airport. They did warn Americans to stay away but that's about the best anyone can do. Better than a total surprise. You expect too much from intel if you think it will ever be an exact time and place before it happens.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||August 26, 2021 8:48 PM|
Barack Obama is posting here. I keep seeing the term "ISIL" !
|by Anonymous||reply 251||August 26, 2021 8:48 PM|
R248 Slavery did not start in Europe. But to know this, one must be educated. However, it appears more and more that you are the most ignorant people in the world. For example Arabs started slavery in the 6th century on the black people in North Africa and in 2021 they continue to enslave balck people. But we never heard your big mouths on this. Never. Was it also Europe that taught you to genocide the Native Americans?
|by Anonymous||reply 252||August 26, 2021 8:49 PM|
R244 State has been issuing warnings for MONTHS for them to get out. How much more advance notice should they expect?
|by Anonymous||reply 253||August 26, 2021 8:50 PM|
Who gives a flying fuck who started slavery?
Just like war, it's here to stay.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||August 26, 2021 8:53 PM|
It's not about advanced warning, r253, it's about the fact that nobody takes it seriously.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||August 26, 2021 8:58 PM|
I believe Biden has cancelled his 5pm briefing.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||August 26, 2021 9:04 PM|
Were any handsome, and hung men hurt or killed?
|by Anonymous||reply 257||August 26, 2021 9:08 PM|
He wouldn't dare, r256.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||August 26, 2021 9:08 PM|
[quote] Most Americans realize this was inevitable.
Nope. Joe’s approval rating will be in the 30s soon. He’ll be forced to resign. No coming back.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||August 26, 2021 9:08 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 260||August 26, 2021 9:09 PM|
[quote]He’ll be forced to resign.
KAMALA will take over?
|by Anonymous||reply 261||August 26, 2021 9:09 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 262||August 26, 2021 9:10 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 263||August 26, 2021 9:10 PM|
It's 5:09 pm. Why isn't Joe on? Somebody forget to wake him up from his nap?
|by Anonymous||reply 264||August 26, 2021 9:10 PM|
Well...5PM HAS COME AND GONE
|by Anonymous||reply 265||August 26, 2021 9:10 PM|
[quote]It's 5:09 pm. Why isn't Joe on?
It's cancelled, it seems.
|by Anonymous||reply 266||August 26, 2021 9:11 PM|
The anti-dementia meds they've been pumping him full of for the last hour have yet to take their effect, r264.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||August 26, 2021 9:11 PM|
no...any moment now, as per CNN
|by Anonymous||reply 268||August 26, 2021 9:12 PM|
Maybe Matlock is on, r266. He might come out when it's over.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||August 26, 2021 9:12 PM|
I hope he's not lying on the bathroom floor.
He'll never be able to get up.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||August 26, 2021 9:16 PM|
There's a specific thread for the press conference, if anyone is interested
|by Anonymous||reply 271||August 26, 2021 9:17 PM|
Boris at R263 that's already been debunked. That "critical" program didn't actually exist--it was proposed but not implemented. Do keep up.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||August 26, 2021 9:24 PM|
Diapers or PullUps?
|by Anonymous||reply 273||August 26, 2021 9:25 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 274||August 26, 2021 9:28 PM|
🤓 Heeeeeeeere's Joey !
|by Anonymous||reply 275||August 26, 2021 9:28 PM|
He's rambling again.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||August 26, 2021 9:30 PM|
Did this press conference shit finally start? I gave up and started watching An American Werewolf in London.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||August 26, 2021 9:32 PM|
I mean what is this?
|by Anonymous||reply 278||August 26, 2021 9:34 PM|
The trolls want to focus on a few dead in Afghanistan today while ignoring the 20+ years of injuries and deaths. Funny how the powers that created this mess get the slugs all worked up.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||August 26, 2021 9:36 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 280||August 26, 2021 9:40 PM|
Exactly, r279. They don't want to discuss the Kurds or....
|by Anonymous||reply 281||August 26, 2021 9:41 PM|
This world is a sad shithole.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||August 26, 2021 9:41 PM|
The empire needs to be dismantled. It’s awful for everyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||August 26, 2021 9:44 PM|
Since Boris can't google, only cut and paste from wingnut sources.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||August 26, 2021 9:44 PM|
What is the “empire”?
|by Anonymous||reply 285||August 26, 2021 9:45 PM|
“ Most died in Afghanistan, the US's longest-running war, but the first casualty of Trump's term came in Yemen.”
|by Anonymous||reply 286||August 26, 2021 9:45 PM|
R285, grow up.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||August 26, 2021 9:47 PM|
R279 Biden is a troll then? Because he just spoke about the 12 American soldiers killed in the attack at Kabul. Calling people you know nothing about "troll" is childish and ridiculous
|by Anonymous||reply 288||August 26, 2021 9:50 PM|
R287, your linking of the opinion piece by the gawdawful Niall Ferguson is laughable.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||August 26, 2021 9:50 PM|
R289, you’re so dense. The point is that the Economist, like everyone else, recognizes that America has an empire.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||August 26, 2021 9:52 PM|
Thanks for revealing your agenda, r290.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||August 26, 2021 9:54 PM|
800 military bases around the world: empire. Duh.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||August 26, 2021 9:56 PM|
Well it’ll be interesting to see if David Muir leads with the story on the news tonight.
|by Anonymous||reply 293||August 26, 2021 10:07 PM|
20 years ago, I said the US should nuke the Al Qaeda training ground in Afghanistan and call it even, I wad right.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||August 26, 2021 10:14 PM|
[quote] The Biden stans are delusional, no different from the MAGA cult.
I'm beginning to see that, as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||August 26, 2021 10:18 PM|
So many of you are lazy, won't google shit, don't read. Just soak up random facts with no context and who gives a shit about reliable sources?
The American families and students are a group of Afghan immigrants now America citizens who went back to Kabul this summer to visit extended family. Yes are stupid cunts and irresponsible parents. But the trip wasn't random white Americans.
|by Anonymous||reply 296||August 26, 2021 10:28 PM|
R247 You sound like an absolute moron. I'm not even American and frankly I resent being made to defend them by morons like yourself.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||August 26, 2021 10:29 PM|
[quote]The American families and students are a group of Afghan immigrants now America citizens who went back to Kabul this summer to visit extended family. Yes are stupid cunts and irresponsible parents. But the trip wasn't random white Americans.
It's not American Americans who are over there.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||August 26, 2021 10:37 PM|
So many people sacrificed for profit.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||August 26, 2021 10:37 PM|
Trump (and many others) are being sued by Capitol police officers for violating the KU KLUX KLAN ACT.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||August 26, 2021 10:40 PM|
Your acknowledgement of the fact that "war is messy" is glib af, R230. Yes, war *is* messy. And in the future perhaps Biden will be hailed as a genius for getting the US out of Afghanistan. I actually think it's quite likely. But that doesn't make the families of the dead, or the dead themselves, any less traumatized or any less dead. Your dismissive tone could only come from the kind of smug liberal asshat who doesn't actually believe in or live any kind of actual left-of-center philosophy. Your country went into Afghanistan, and the blood of the terrible mishandling of this pullout is on your country's - and your (current and former) president's - hands.
12 dead Americans, many more dead Afghans TODAY ALONE and what has the left got, because this happened under a Democrat president and not Trump? "War is messy." Fuck off. One hopes you would be as certain of your own moral righteousness if someone *you* loved was killed today, but everyone knows you wouldn't be.
War is messy, but that's not even close to an excuse for how this has been handled. It's not actually an excuse for anything, it's just happens to be true.
I'm gonna get called a Boris or a Trumper for this but I have never, in ~20 years of voting, ever voted right of center. Not once. Borises and Trumpers make clowns of the right, but the left isn't much better, huffing the fart-smell of their own superiority as the fucking world burns.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||August 26, 2021 10:42 PM|
"The fucking world burns?" How dramatic. We're talking about a primitive shithole thousand of miles away from the West. Nobody ever should've gone in there in the first place, and most Americans are glad we're finally out.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||August 26, 2021 10:44 PM|
BTW the last time the world really did fucking burn it was Europe and not America who were responsible.
|by Anonymous||reply 303||August 26, 2021 10:45 PM|
This shit in Afghanistan should have been ended 12 years ago by Obama.
|by Anonymous||reply 304||August 26, 2021 10:48 PM|
sadly, I suspect you are right r304. Although actually it was probably lost the minute Bush and Cheney got bored and decided blowing shit up in Iraq would be more fun. Still, after bin Laden was killed, the whole thing became so obviously pointless that Obama should have ended it then.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||August 26, 2021 10:52 PM|
R301: speaking of messy, your trolling post is all over the place.
You've always voted left of center and the one thing you hate is liberal smugness, you seem incredibly triggered by the phrase "war is messy" while admitting it is, and you're either British or you've forgotten that "Democrat president" is a linguistic tell giving you away as a Republican. Other than the passive-aggressive temper tantrum, I've no clue what you were intending to say here.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||August 26, 2021 10:56 PM|
Kammie cancelled her CA campaign stop for Gavin Newsom.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||August 26, 2021 11:03 PM|
Biden Responds To Kabul Attack
|by Anonymous||reply 308||August 26, 2021 11:07 PM|
[quote]Kammie cancelled her CA campaign stop for Gavin Newsom.
All those horse deworming enemas are making you forget the name of Vice President Harris. You should get a neurological assessment done stat.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||August 26, 2021 11:14 PM|
I thought he did well during the press conference. Who was the last reporter he called on?
|by Anonymous||reply 310||August 26, 2021 11:16 PM|
Vice responded to the attacks today by publishing an article saying that Marines are bad, so everybody can calm down.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||August 26, 2021 11:20 PM|
[quote] Slavery did not start in Europe. But to know this, one must be educated. However, it appears more and more that you are the most ignorant people in the world. For example Arabs started slavery in the 6th century on the black people in North Africa
The Romans were around long before the 6th Century. It did in fact start in Europe. And the Brits did in fact enslave black people from all over the world and import that practice into the New World. Stop making excuses.
|by Anonymous||reply 312||August 26, 2021 11:26 PM|
The Eqyptians were using slaves for thousands of years before Rome even existed, r312.
|by Anonymous||reply 313||August 26, 2021 11:30 PM|
Yes that's true, but they also died out as did the Romans. Why did the Brits think it was still a good idea thousands of years later?
|by Anonymous||reply 314||August 26, 2021 11:33 PM|
Slavery was going on in all parts of the world for thousands of years.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||August 26, 2021 11:33 PM|
Anyone trying to use "but they enslaved others" to impugn this or that nation or ethnic group or whatever is going to have a bad time.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||August 26, 2021 11:35 PM|
Do you realize what poor Yvonne had to go through before The Munsters and FOLLIES came along?
|by Anonymous||reply 317||August 26, 2021 11:35 PM|
Again, r312 / r314.
To people with even the most rudimentry grasp on history, you sound as if you are brain damaged.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||August 26, 2021 11:36 PM|
I don't think they were actually r313. I don't think Egypt was a slave society, despite all the movies. The Roman Empire was, and I think the Greeks loved having a lot of slaves as well. I don't doubt there were slaves in Egypt, but I don't think they were a big part of the picture. I think a lot of that is bullshit invented in the Bible.
In ancient Rome, in contrast, slaves pretty much did all the mining, worked a lot of the big estates, and pretty much everyone of any wealth had household slaves.
In Egypt, most of the work was done by peasants, including building the pyramids and the other big monuments.
|by Anonymous||reply 319||August 26, 2021 11:36 PM|
Giving a detailed hit list of our citizens and allies to the fucking Taliban, along with the biometric database Biden gifted to them, sure sounds like Aiding & Abetting The Enemy to me. This is Treason.
|by Anonymous||reply 320||August 26, 2021 11:42 PM|
r310, do you have brain damage?
|by Anonymous||reply 321||August 26, 2021 11:43 PM|
This old mushmouthed garbled ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||August 26, 2021 11:43 PM|
Also too, while I'm handing out little factoids, it is a depressing fact that in ancient Sumerian, the first written language as far as we know, the most common word in the various records we have is the word for "foreign female slave." So yeah, slavery goes WAYYYYYY back, but I still think there is a difference between societies built around slavery, like the old American South, and societies where some people have a few slaves.
|by Anonymous||reply 323||August 26, 2021 11:43 PM|
You "don't think that Egypt was a slave society"?
Are you on drugs?
Who do you think built the pyramids?
Kindly peasant volunteers? Who could just quit their jobs anytime they liked? Take two weeks off every now and then?
|by Anonymous||reply 324||August 26, 2021 11:43 PM|
No r324, slaves did not build the pyramids. It's pretty clear that they were built by Egyptian peasants. Not volunteers. Paid. Paid by the government to build them during the season when they did not have to plant and sow and reap. You really can't get all your history from Cecil b Demille movies, and certainly not from the Bible. You have to look harder and wider.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||August 26, 2021 11:45 PM|
[quote]I have never, in ~20 years of voting, ever voted right of center. Not once. Borises and Trumpers make clowns of the right, but the left isn't much better, huffing the fart-smell of their own superiority as the fucking world burns.
Bitch Please, you are not even American, you have no clue what left vs right is in America, it's not the same as Europe. Stop with the Monday morning arm chair quarterbacking. Getting out of Afghanistan was never going to be easy and it had to be done. You seriously think if Biden had streaked it out to 3 months instead of one that we would not have had an attack there in all that time? You are dangerously naive. There would probably be dozens of attack. I am sure there will be more even in the next few days. But OH, America, lets trash them from our glass house calming they are not doing enough or doing it the right way.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||August 26, 2021 11:45 PM|
r301 Enjoy your generous social welfare programs, which are only possible because you don't have to spend that money on a huge military because the US takes care of that for you and STFU.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||August 26, 2021 11:48 PM|
[quote]ou "don't think that Egypt was a slave society"? Are you on drugs? Who do you think built the pyramids?
Actually there is some historical evidence that the term slave was not the same back then. They were more like worker groups competing with each other. The archeologist now think this based on some graffiti left inside the pyramids that are thousand of years old. Basically leaving a hidden record of which gang as they refereed to themselves was doing the best job.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||August 26, 2021 11:49 PM|
True, r327, and we Americans are just starting to catch on to that. Maybe if we didn't have endless wars and constant occupations, maybe we could start handling some other stuff.
But, but, but what if China blunders into Afghanistan and fucks around there for the next 20 years?
|by Anonymous||reply 329||August 26, 2021 11:51 PM|
Right, R328. Right. Uh-huh. You really are going to have to do better than that if you're trying to claim slavery simply wasn't a "thing" before [insert group you're not trying to defend].
|by Anonymous||reply 330||August 26, 2021 11:54 PM|
There is no worse kind of American than the "other countries only have social programs because America" kind.
|by Anonymous||reply 331||August 26, 2021 11:56 PM|
Slavery was a "thing" for a very long time. But again, that doesn't mean it was the central organizing principal for every society. Sometimes it was, mostly it wasn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 332||August 26, 2021 11:57 PM|
13 troops dead now.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||August 27, 2021 12:00 AM|
[quote]There is no worse kind of American than the "other countries only have social programs because America" kind.
|by Anonymous||reply 334||August 27, 2021 12:01 AM|
[quote]There is no worse kind of American than the "other countries only have social programs because America" kind.
|by Anonymous||reply 335||August 27, 2021 12:01 AM|
Who cares when slavery started, that's a straw man argument. Brits never own up to THEIR ROLL in spreading slavery across the world and even to a young America.
|by Anonymous||reply 336||August 27, 2021 12:02 AM|
[quote]There is no worse kind of American than the "other countries only have social programs because America" kind.
It is true, though. European countries don't have to spend $$$ on militaries, so they can have their welfare. Which is going to many third worlders who are inexplicably let into your countries in insane numbers.
|by Anonymous||reply 337||August 27, 2021 12:02 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 338||August 27, 2021 12:03 AM|
And r338? Americans can't stay there forever. Jihadists are always going to jihad. And speaking of Europe, perhaps they should reform their immigration policies and stop letting these animals in. The 9/11 hijackers lived in European countries for some time.
|by Anonymous||reply 339||August 27, 2021 12:11 AM|
Yeah R338, just like the commies were emboldened by our flight from Vietnam, and look how that turned out!
|by Anonymous||reply 340||August 27, 2021 12:17 AM|
Oh is THAT why "Psaki now claiming we have "an enormous amount of leverage over the Taliban" economically. "That is our view."
|by Anonymous||reply 341||August 27, 2021 12:17 AM|
Is the Economist always so imperialist? They seem to really hate us ending a war.
|by Anonymous||reply 342||August 27, 2021 12:18 AM|
Yep R339. Jihadists have been jihading for a thousand years before the U.S. existed, and will continue. An occupation in one backward predominantly Muslim country did shit. Wish the best for the few people who prefer a secular society and hope they can find asylum somewhere— I’d be happy for secular afghans to come to American, but Glad we’re out.
|by Anonymous||reply 343||August 27, 2021 12:19 AM|
Kingzinger nails it here:
|by Anonymous||reply 344||August 27, 2021 12:33 AM|
Kabul was already broken.
|by Anonymous||reply 345||August 27, 2021 12:34 AM|
Big picture, the people in that part of the world have been fighting for thousands of years. It's never going to end. Get out and avoid it at all costs till they all kill each other. Cold? yeah, pragmatic? You bet!
|by Anonymous||reply 346||August 27, 2021 12:40 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 347||August 27, 2021 12:41 AM|
We don't want to find out the smoking gun comes in the form of a mushroom cloud.
|by Anonymous||reply 348||August 27, 2021 12:46 AM|
R346 You could say that about any country or region on earth.
|by Anonymous||reply 349||August 27, 2021 12:49 AM|
No, you can't r349.
|by Anonymous||reply 350||August 27, 2021 12:53 AM|
Biden planned the August 31 exit date, so that when 9/11 arrived he could get stand in the limelight. It backfired. Pray for the people who were murdered today, thanks to him.
|by Anonymous||reply 351||August 27, 2021 12:58 AM|
He has committed TREASON by supplying names, addresses and biometric data of Americans and Allies for the Taliban to use as a hit list, which they are already doing. He needs to be impeached and sentenced to capitol punishment for this High Crime and violation of his Oath of Office.
|by Anonymous||reply 352||August 27, 2021 1:01 AM|
Oh look, people like r351 from Parlor are posting on here now.
Go back to your Trump cult freak. He lost the election, get over it. Biden's doing a GREAT job! A+
|by Anonymous||reply 353||August 27, 2021 1:04 AM|
R353, this has noting to do with Trump. Biden made these decisions.
|by Anonymous||reply 354||August 27, 2021 1:10 AM|
The world dose not exist in a vacuum r354. Bush started this mess, Trump made it worse. Biden is cleaning up their shit after 20 years.
|by Anonymous||reply 355||August 27, 2021 1:24 AM|
"Pragmatic," R346, would have been never getting involved in the first place.
|by Anonymous||reply 356||August 27, 2021 1:24 AM|
Yes, r356, which is exactly why I DID NOT FOR FOR BUSH OR REPUBLICANS EVEN 20 YEARS AGO.
|by Anonymous||reply 357||August 27, 2021 1:25 AM|
Biden is doing great. I love this but fear the Equality Act!
|by Anonymous||reply 358||August 27, 2021 1:36 AM|
[quote]Pray for the people who were murdered today, thanks to him.
|by Anonymous||reply 359||August 27, 2021 1:37 AM|
R56: Because she licks Oprah's pussy.
|by Anonymous||reply 360||August 27, 2021 1:45 AM|
John Kerry was right.
During his run for the US Presidency in 2004, he gave an interview to the NY Times Magazine where he stated (I'm paraphrasing) that conventional, ground troops warfare needed to be re-assessed for its efficacy, or lack thereof, in capturing terrorists.
He stated international police action (informants, surveillance, etc.) should be deployed.
This is how fucking damn stupid us Americans can be -
Bush and Cheney seized on that. Yes, two chicken-shit draft dodgers, renowned for bravery on the golf course or sitting at a Texas Rangers game, managed to turn Kerry, a combat veteran, into a "soft on terrorism" wimp.
And dumber than a 10lb bag of powdered cement Americans bought that and gave Bush another term.
John Kerry was right. And Americans are stupid.
Bring back the compulsory military draft, all genders, no exceptions, no deferments. And the first pool of draftees should be drawn from the 1% and the families of anybody who makes money from the military-industrial complex.
|by Anonymous||reply 361||August 27, 2021 1:47 AM|
John Kerry was right. ^
|by Anonymous||reply 362||August 27, 2021 1:47 AM|
r361 you are 100% correct. I'm American, and I can't believe how ignorant many Americans are about the rest of the world and other cultures. A ground war was foolish in that region, and in that culture.
And oh yes if there was a draft Americans would think long and hard about military action anywhere. It would have to take something on the level of another Japan/Hitler to get Americans to deploy a military operation if a draft was involved.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||August 27, 2021 2:01 AM|
“The fucking world burns?" How dramatic. We're talking about a primitive shithole thousand of miles away from the West. Nobody ever should've gone in there in the first place, and most Americans are glad we're finally out.”
What I love about pepper who talk about primitive shitholes is they are the same ones who say immigrants from said shitholes need to be accepted on mass because suddenly they have developed into wonderful caring potential Westerners when they try to get into your country.
|by Anonymous||reply 364||August 27, 2021 3:10 AM|
I love when pepper starts talking all salty.
|by Anonymous||reply 365||August 27, 2021 3:18 AM|
I am not a huge fan of Israel but one thing they do right is require everyone including woman at the age of 18 to server their country for a short time. Except for their fucked up religious exceptions. Ultra-Orthodox and Arab Israelis are exempt.
|by Anonymous||reply 366||August 27, 2021 3:27 AM|
Quick fact, please check Google to confirm, but when discussing everyone from Alexander the Great to present day failed in Afghanistan, this is only partly true.
Alexander the Great lost huge amounts of men in Afghanistan and had serious battles there, but he did establish bases and there are still cities named after him in Afghanistan. Kandahar is one that comes to mind. Alexander was pretty successful there, in the short term. It was the numbers killed, that is why we discuss it as disastrous.
|by Anonymous||reply 367||August 27, 2021 3:48 AM|
That would explain all the dancing boys.
|by Anonymous||reply 368||August 27, 2021 4:13 AM|
😴 The repetitive Boris Bullshit is so old and so tired.
And it accomplishes [italic] NOTHING!
|by Anonymous||reply 369||August 27, 2021 4:27 AM|
1,500 Americans are still stranded. You call that being out?
|by Anonymous||reply 370||August 27, 2021 4:35 AM|
Fuck this thread for making me agree with Della.
|by Anonymous||reply 371||August 27, 2021 4:52 AM|
Army service is compulsory for EVERYONE in Israel, 3 years for men, 18 months approximately for women. Married women are exempt from service. Students can delay service for several years. Only sons can opt out of service. Druze, Beduin and other "Arab-Israelis" serve depending on factors such as clan and village. The "ultra Orthodox" also serve. People with medical issues that do not prevent them from minimum participation also serve.
|by Anonymous||reply 372||August 27, 2021 4:55 AM|
[quote]And now the Rethugs and the press can all put on a show of how "devastated" they are when in fact they all jizzed their pants the moment those bombs went off. This is what they've been hoping and waiting for for the last 10 days.
Very true, r197. The reason the right wing media has been pushing the "Taliban = ISIS" thing so hard is because they knew there would be a very good chance that ISIS would lash out, because that's what ISIS does. Now the media has already primed people to think that this suicide bomber attack was related to the Taliban, and that it's Biden's fault because he "let the Taliban take over."
|by Anonymous||reply 373||August 27, 2021 5:11 AM|
R367, one of my favorite podcasts, The Rest Is History, devoted a recent episode to Afghanistan, and demonstrated that the "graveyard of empires" concept is much more complicated.
|by Anonymous||reply 374||August 27, 2021 5:17 AM|
Thoughts and Prayers
|by Anonymous||reply 375||August 27, 2021 5:56 AM|
Holy crap, what is that photo from, 375?
|by Anonymous||reply 376||August 27, 2021 12:24 PM|
Have you girls not got this figured out yet?
Data Lounge is always at its best when it tackles geopolitical crises involving the military and troubled locations in far flung parts of the world.
I'll give one thing to the venomous queens in the Theatre Gossip threads, they fight over things they more or less know.
|by Anonymous||reply 377||August 27, 2021 12:41 PM|
They're all going to Britain. Have fun, Brits!
|by Anonymous||reply 378||August 27, 2021 2:18 PM|
R375 lol that is where I heard that as well. I love that podcast.r367
|by Anonymous||reply 379||August 27, 2021 2:37 PM|
r376 It's from yesterday's press conference.
|by Anonymous||reply 380||August 27, 2021 3:01 PM|
r372, you go first.
|by Anonymous||reply 381||August 27, 2021 4:49 PM|
The London Times on Biden:
|by Anonymous||reply 382||August 27, 2021 4:51 PM|
I really don't understand why there is so much resistance to assigning blame for this, especially as this wouldn't be the first time in history that the military fucked up, got it wrong, and gave bad advice to a leader.
The military got this wrong and people are paying with their lives, and more will pay with more lives back in Afghanistan.
This isn't about party affiliation, or hating Joe Biden or loving Trump or hating Trump therefore one must love Biden . . .
What's depressing, apart from the appalling waste of funds that could be used for better things in both countries, and the lives, is watching those generals and chiefs of staff and Foreign Secretaries and PMs all doing their best to keep the side up and getting away with it and looking calm and important and competent, but whose side is the side, really?
Because it's not the grunts' side, or the taxpayers' side, that's bloody certain.
|by Anonymous||reply 383||August 27, 2021 5:02 PM|
[quote] I really don't understand why there is so much resistance to assigning blame for this, especially as this wouldn't be the first time in history that the military fucked up, got it wrong, and gave bad advice to a leader. The military got this wrong and people are paying with their lives, and more will pay with more lives back in Afghanistan.
The mission is to withdraw from a 20 yr war and evacuate Americans and some Afghans. Keeping in mind that 2,000+ service people have been killed over the course of the war and Afghanistan is one of the most unstable and dangerous nations in the world. Which is why we are finally leaving. The problem is that the mission and success are being defined as a fairytale exit of certainty; where everything goes exactly according to plan (or contingency plan) and there are no casualties. While exiting a war that has produced thousands of ongoing casualties. The problem is that people cant distinguish reality from what they watch on television. The problem is that people believe that watching a week of cable news gives them some level of expertise and they now have the ability to perform the miracles that rooms full of experts cannot.
|by Anonymous||reply 384||August 27, 2021 5:23 PM|
Marine officer calls out senior military leaders following U.S. fatalities in Afghanistan
|by Anonymous||reply 385||August 27, 2021 5:29 PM|
The problem is that Biden fucked up the withdrawal through a series of bad choices which led to very bad consequences. And we haven't even reached the climax of the horror show yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 386||August 27, 2021 5:33 PM|
The problem with the post at R386 is that the author omitted the fact that Trump only left Biden with bad choices.
|by Anonymous||reply 387||August 27, 2021 5:36 PM|
R387: Biden has no problem undoing other bad choices left by Trump, e.g halt the construction of the wall, cutting the Blackstone pipeline, rejoining the Paris Treaty and WHO etc etc.
So why didn’t Joe undo this deal with the Taliban and renegotiate?
Why does he act as if this one deal were cast in stone?
|by Anonymous||reply 388||August 27, 2021 5:49 PM|
r387, Trump actually created a withdrawal plan, had a team set up to enact it and had a deadline negotiated. Biden threw ALL of that away in March and replaced it with NOTHING! Biden did that. No one else.
|by Anonymous||reply 389||August 27, 2021 5:50 PM|
[quote]Trump actually created a withdrawal plan
Was it in the same binder as his healthcare plan?
|by Anonymous||reply 390||August 27, 2021 5:52 PM|
Biden's withdrawal had zero to do do with the Trump plan. They blew past the negotiated deadline in May, and from that point there was nothing left of the Trump plan.
Biden administration people drew up a new plan entirely, and Biden's close advisors were very involved with finalizing all military decisions (this is consistent with the way the Obama WH was run: Valerie Jarrett was nicknamed "General Jarrett" at the Pentagon because all military movements were finalized with her.)
Bidenbots, iyou really believe that Biden did a terrific job with this, then why do you also insist on lying and claiming his hands were tied by the Trump plan, when the opposite is true? Why not just own that this is your hero's plan and crow about what a great plan it is?
|by Anonymous||reply 391||August 27, 2021 6:02 PM|
Upon entering office, Biden was left with <2500 troops in Afghanistan. Less than half the number of Taliban Trump had released from prison the year prior. The only thing preventing them from being totally overrun was a shaky ceasfire with the Taliban premised on the rest of those troops leaving for good. No such ceasefire existed with ISIL, so they were just going on with their attacks as usual.
Absent another destined-to-fail surge, which no one but the war profiteers wanted, Biden had no means of a clean withdrawal. None of you Borises or trolls can argue around that fact, so you just keep tossing out any nonsense you can come up with.
|by Anonymous||reply 392||August 27, 2021 6:12 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 393||August 27, 2021 6:16 PM|
Here’s an idea. If you’re not willing to die for your country, don’t enlist in the military.
I would have loved to have my education paid for and receive a stipend from the military, but it wasn’t worth my life or my conscience (if I had to kill people) so I didn’t sign up. It’s a tragedy that soldiers died, but it’s a known job hazard.
I’m just glad we are out of there and save some tax dollars. Unfortunately that money is going to go into politician’s investment portfolios and pay for people to sit at home and not work.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||August 27, 2021 6:25 PM|
Yeah, let's bring back the draft for "all genders", r371. There are only two genders, so I can't agree with Della on that one.
|by Anonymous||reply 395||August 27, 2021 6:27 PM|
I FF’d R393. .
|by Anonymous||reply 396||August 27, 2021 6:48 PM|
What about the 1,500 Americans left behind yesterday. Have they all been evacuated yet?
|by Anonymous||reply 397||August 27, 2021 7:33 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 398||August 27, 2021 7:37 PM|
US soldiers killed in Afghanistan under Bush Obama Trump - 2,500. US soldiers killed under Biden - 12.
Carry on trolls.
|by Anonymous||reply 399||August 27, 2021 7:42 PM|
Biden needs to be charged with Treason.
|by Anonymous||reply 400||August 27, 2021 7:44 PM|
R400, right after your hero, Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 401||August 27, 2021 7:47 PM|
That's even more damning numbers on Biden then I had thought, 399
2500 deaths over 20 years
13 deaths in 24 hours
|by Anonymous||reply 402||August 27, 2021 7:50 PM|
I love how all the Trump trash in these threads talking shit about Biden pretend as if Rethugs have no blood on their hands.
|by Anonymous||reply 403||August 27, 2021 7:50 PM|
r401, I voted for Biden and H Clinton.
|by Anonymous||reply 404||August 27, 2021 7:52 PM|
It is strange that if you disagree with anything on the left you are called right-wing even if you are left yourself. It is dangerous not to call out politicians when they screw up just because they are on the same side as you. Almost all of the politicians both on the left and the right are corrupt. We should be watching them all, after all, they are supposed to work for us. We are paying their salaries.
|by Anonymous||reply 405||August 27, 2021 10:16 PM|
I support this evacuation 100% and I get called “Jill Biden” for it, R405. It takes two to tango.
|by Anonymous||reply 406||August 27, 2021 10:19 PM|
I hate all politicians (ok, I do hate Republicans more than democrats, but it’s not like I love Biden) and I think Biden 100% did the right thing. It’s time to GTFO of that shit hole desert. Of course there will be deaths and retaliation during our exit. THAT’S WHY NO AMERICAN SHOULD BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
|by Anonymous||reply 407||August 27, 2021 10:57 PM|
Trump drew our forces down in Afghanistan to 2,500. And he released 5,000 Taliban prisoners held by the US. Obviously, Trump made it as dangerous as it could be. All because he is an arrogant, narcissistic, uneducated, man baby.
Biden, a bona fide adult, could proceed with the withdrawal deal Trump struck and the mess Trump made. Or he could flood Afghanistan with American forces to more safely get everyone out. If he did, all you Trump loving assholes would be here now screaming that he was escalating the conflict.
All of you Trump apologists... directly to Hell, please.
|by Anonymous||reply 408||August 27, 2021 11:09 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 409||August 28, 2021 12:17 AM|
You just know, r396, that r393 is prostrate with grief over these losses. R409 as well. You're just as upset about these losses, aren't you, r409?
|by Anonymous||reply 410||August 28, 2021 12:33 AM|
How soon we forget! Trump fired Mark Esper and other top DoD officials in November of 2020, and replaced them with loyalists. Security clearances were blocked for Biden transition officials. No intel briefings until November 30.
Once again, the Republicans jump out of the car before it crashes and then leave it to the Democrats.
|by Anonymous||reply 411||August 28, 2021 12:37 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 412||August 28, 2021 1:15 AM|
Is the moron at r402 really trying to claim that Biden has only been president for 24 hours?
|by Anonymous||reply 413||August 28, 2021 2:29 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 414||August 28, 2021 2:46 PM|
Trump would have handled Afghanistan differently. He'd blame the military for screwing up his plan and then play a round of golf.
|by Anonymous||reply 415||August 28, 2021 2:48 PM|
R415, and the media would have let him get away with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 416||August 28, 2021 2:49 PM|
R416, were you asleep for the past five years?
|by Anonymous||reply 417||August 28, 2021 5:05 PM|
All US troops withdrawn. They can start chunking gays off the roof and beating the women now.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||August 30, 2021 8:37 PM|
Whatever r418. That shithole isn't worth any more American lives.
|by Anonymous||reply 419||August 30, 2021 8:44 PM|
[quote] Whatever R418.
|by Anonymous||reply 420||August 30, 2021 8:50 PM|
Yeah wow, r420. We can't be the world's police force. Many countries in the world are complete shit with a culture that's complete shit. We can't do anything about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 421||August 30, 2021 9:01 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 422||August 31, 2021 3:28 PM|
Did the young man think he had signed up for the risk-free non-dangerous armed services?
|by Anonymous||reply 423||August 31, 2021 3:33 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 424||August 31, 2021 4:34 PM|
Oh please. Now the US is supposed to be responsible for the stray dogs of Afghanistan?
|by Anonymous||reply 425||August 31, 2021 5:28 PM|
[quote]Now the US is supposed to be responsible for the stray dogs of Afghanistan?
Asshole. The point is clear. They were not "strays" until the U.S. abandoned them.
|by Anonymous||reply 426||August 31, 2021 6:46 PM|
It’s not a rosary bead
|by Anonymous||reply 427||September 6, 2021 10:20 AM|
They were strays when the US found them r426. Are you seriously suggesting that the US army remain in Afghanistan to look after stray dogs? Let the Afghans look after their own strays and implement a neutering programme.
At least we've moved on from the lie that they were US army dogs.
|by Anonymous||reply 428||September 6, 2021 11:05 AM|
Kabul has not been a place to live since 1980.
|by Anonymous||reply 429||September 6, 2021 4:05 PM|
What About the American Hostages?
|by Anonymous||reply 430||September 6, 2021 4:11 PM|
Why are you posting right-wing shit here R430?
|by Anonymous||reply 431||September 6, 2021 4:13 PM|
Why are you trying to censor, r431?
|by Anonymous||reply 432||September 6, 2021 4:21 PM|
Why don't you care about American's trapped in Afghanistan?
|by Anonymous||reply 433||September 6, 2021 10:08 PM|
Do fuck off, r433.
|by Anonymous||reply 434||September 6, 2021 10:26 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 435||September 6, 2021 10:37 PM|
Here is a left wing website for you R434
|by Anonymous||reply 436||September 6, 2021 10:42 PM|
These assholes are only concerned about the evacuation when we just 31K Afghan “refugees” just land on American soil. These fucking assholes have absolutely no clue or priority.
|by Anonymous||reply 437||September 6, 2021 10:45 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 438||September 6, 2021 10:45 PM|
R346 are you getting posters mixed up?
|by Anonymous||reply 439||September 6, 2021 10:47 PM|
The President's Waterloo.
|by Anonymous||reply 440||September 6, 2021 10:51 PM|
I can’t believe nobody is talking about the 31K “refugees” here in America. Maybe they’re looking to us looking like Paris.
|by Anonymous||reply 441||September 6, 2021 10:54 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 442||September 6, 2021 10:54 PM|
Blume that lied about having served. lol
|by Anonymous||reply 443||September 6, 2021 11:46 PM|
[quote] Asshole. The point is clear. They were not "strays" until the U.S. abandoned them.
Honey, humans are more important than animals. You’re a fucking PETA loon.
|by Anonymous||reply 444||September 6, 2021 11:47 PM|
Dear Kamala @ r440: Omg I was thinking the exact same thought half an hour ago!
|by Anonymous||reply 445||September 7, 2021 8:30 AM|
With Joe Xi Jinping Jr. Biden in office, an open southern border, the embarrassment of the Afghan debacle, an influx of thousands of unvetted Afghan refugees, the division of vaxxed and unvaxxed Americans, and the over obsession with white supremacy, it’s opportune for enemies.
|by Anonymous||reply 446||September 9, 2021 8:33 PM|
That's the Washington Examiner, R446.
|by Anonymous||reply 447||September 10, 2021 3:34 AM|
R447, did you even have to read as far as the link to realize R446 is a parasitic moron? The stupidity right at the beginning should've been enough. If it wasn't, then the bigotry, xenophobia and defense of white supremacy should've been. He's clearly a complete shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 448||September 10, 2021 3:38 AM|
[quote]it’s opportune for enemies.
You're the enemy, you white supremacist cunt. It wasn't Chinese or Afghans who tried to killed the VP or spread their feces on the walls or beat the shit out of law enforcement because their orange pile of shit clown prince didn't get his way.
You undemocratic, Neo-Nazi low-life.
|by Anonymous||reply 449||September 10, 2021 3:41 AM|
R449 = Boris
|by Anonymous||reply 450||September 10, 2021 3:50 AM|
There have been more COVID deaths in Florida over the last two weeks.
Than U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan during the past 20 years.
And they call themselves the pro-life party.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||September 10, 2021 5:29 AM|
A fantastic deal struck by President Obama that keeps on giving
|by Anonymous||reply 452||September 10, 2021 10:49 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 453||September 10, 2021 11:28 AM|
Nobody cares. America has no natural enemies. We have been tricked into playing mercenary for the British and Saudi royals these last thirty years. Enough!
|by Anonymous||reply 454||September 11, 2021 5:08 AM|
Cute how you omit Israel, R454. Like Israel-Firsters haven't been at the helm of US FP for 50 fucking years.
|by Anonymous||reply 455||September 11, 2021 5:24 AM|
You are both right, We have been tricked into playing mercenary for the British,Saudi AND Israel for these last thirty years.
|by Anonymous||reply 456||September 12, 2021 7:22 AM|
Yes, R455 R456 it's those fucking JEWS fault. EVERYTHING is!
|by Anonymous||reply 457||September 12, 2021 7:29 AM|
[quote]You undemocratic, Neo-Nazi low-life.
R449 R455 = One undemocratic Nazi turd condemning another. Hilarious!!
|by Anonymous||reply 458||September 12, 2021 7:36 AM|
No one said that R457, stop putting words in people's mouths. They are part of the problem, like the UK is part of the problem like the Saudi Royals are part of the Problem. Take responsibility for god's sake and stop playing victim for every tiny criticism.
America needs to stop being mercenary for every country in Europe. And FYI as I am sure you know, Israel has plenty of weapons and military to defend itself, including a nuclear bomb.
|by Anonymous||reply 459||September 12, 2021 7:37 AM|
[quote]stop playing victim for every tiny criticism.
R459 overlooks the anti-Jewish slurs and slanders. But then, that's what Jew-hating turds do. The only "problem" is in your bigoted heads.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||September 12, 2021 7:45 AM|
The only problem is you are always a victim. You think Jewish people are the only ones on the planet to deal with slurs? Grow the fuck up. Hate to burst your bubble, Jewish people are no different than any other people on the planet. Some are good and some are not. Own up to your own shit for once.
|by Anonymous||reply 461||September 13, 2021 6:24 AM|
R461 More Jew hatred from the Jew-hating turd. Only Jews would debase themselves to defend Jews. The only problem is you stinking up this thread with your Jew hatred, turd!
|by Anonymous||reply 462||September 13, 2021 6:31 AM|
R462 love living by the river Denial, it's so peaceful there when all you hear is your own voice.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||September 13, 2021 6:36 AM|
R463 Jew-hating turds know ALL about denial.
|by Anonymous||reply 464||September 13, 2021 6:52 AM|
It's funny that the media keeps trying to keep Afghanistan in the news by throwing in mentions here and there but the public has lost all interest.
|by Anonymous||reply 465||September 13, 2021 6:58 AM|
Are gay men anti-Semitic because they see Jewish people as “weak”?
|by Anonymous||reply 466||September 13, 2021 2:23 PM|
Gay men, as a group, are not anti-semitic. What a bigoted premise your stupid question rests upon, R466
|by Anonymous||reply 467||September 13, 2021 2:44 PM|
[quote]ay men, as a group, are not anti-semitic.
They are on DL, given the thousands of posts/threads deriding, dengrating and demonizing Jews, including on this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 468||September 13, 2021 3:19 PM|
Individuals, R468. There is a profound difference between denouncing individual anti-semitic posts and the individual anti-semites who post them and your insistence on labeling an entire group anti-semitic.
Who's the bigot? Well... it seems you cannot exclude yourself.
|by Anonymous||reply 469||September 13, 2021 4:24 PM|
Anti-semitism is the new trend of the far left.
|by Anonymous||reply 470||September 13, 2021 10:13 PM|
Gay male anti-Semitism isn’t just found on Datalounge, I see it on twitter. I see gay men defend Islam and call people “bigots” and “racists”. It’s not just here.
|by Anonymous||reply 471||September 13, 2021 10:19 PM|
Gay men defending Islam is not ant-semiotic R471. That's a little self important if you think everyone must be anit another religion to be anti-semitic.
|by Anonymous||reply 472||September 14, 2021 12:12 AM|