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Family (1976-80 TV Series) Appreciation Thread, Part 2

Let's continue our discussion about the lives, loves, and latent lesbians of the Lawrence family of Pasadena.

All five seasons, now streaming on Tubi.

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by Anonymousreply 495June 8, 2022 12:10 PM


by Anonymousreply 1August 19, 2021 2:47 PM

Part 1:

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by Anonymousreply 2August 19, 2021 2:49 PM

Kate and her menopausal hot flash face welcome you.

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by Anonymousreply 3August 19, 2021 2:59 PM

Nancy is not a very likable character IMO. She is just so selfish! And a really shitty big sister to Buddy. The episode where Buddy is freaking out about going to an older kids make-out party with TJ is a perfect example. Even big bro Willie understands Buddy's reluctance to jump into big girl sexual stuff (or worse, be pushed into it at the party) and tells Nancy to talk to her. Nancy acts like she has absolutely no clue what the problem is and is no help at all. What the fuck do you think the issue might be for your 14 y/o sister who just started going steady, Nancy? Don't get me wrong, I love MBB, but Nancy was a selfish asshole. It's season 3 episode 3 "The First Time".

by Anonymousreply 4August 19, 2021 3:57 PM

R4, that was the whole point of the character of Nancy. She was a selfish and self-absorbed from episode ONE.

by Anonymousreply 5August 19, 2021 4:05 PM

Nancy was the daddy's girl princess, she had no time for other women, especially her mother.

by Anonymousreply 6August 19, 2021 6:17 PM

Never got this show?????

by Anonymousreply 7August 19, 2021 6:20 PM

See if this link gets you a recent pic of Gary Frank.

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by Anonymousreply 8August 19, 2021 6:30 PM

Betty the loon was the anti-Kate.

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by Anonymousreply 9August 19, 2021 6:34 PM

Kate, Aunt Ellie and Mrs. Garrett...

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by Anonymousreply 10August 20, 2021 2:50 AM

Full Our Town from last thread...

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by Anonymousreply 11August 20, 2021 2:52 AM

This entire "family" looks like they are on Prozac.

by Anonymousreply 12August 20, 2021 2:54 AM

[quote]Nancy was the daddy's girl princess, she had no time for other women, especially her mother.

I've known a lot of women like this, as R6 aptly described: "no time for other women."

One is my sister, another is an older mentor. Both daddy's girls.

by Anonymousreply 13August 20, 2021 2:56 AM

First born are usually daddies girl. Last born is the baby and middle is Jan.

by Anonymousreply 14August 20, 2021 3:05 AM

Sada was in Juno (1959). Photo is too small for me to pick her out.

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by Anonymousreply 15August 20, 2021 3:06 AM

Okay, okay, I’ve been ragging on Kate… but she is nice in this scene.

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by Anonymousreply 16August 20, 2021 3:38 AM

Nice? She's devastating, as is the writing. "You are going to be...you are. Get my grandson, I need a baby to hold."

And you can tell how moved Baxter Birney is as well.

by Anonymousreply 17August 20, 2021 4:59 AM

I find the recent photos posted of the cast to be triggering. I got physically ill after looking at them. I guess it reminds me of my own mortality. How can the rest of you be so matter of fact about it? It's somehow easier to deal with Sada and James being dead than it is to see how much Kristy and Gary have aged.

by Anonymousreply 18August 20, 2021 5:16 AM

[quote]R17 Nice? She's devastating, as is the writing.

Well, I wouldn’t quite go THAT far.

by Anonymousreply 19August 20, 2021 5:32 AM

R18 I don’t think they look that bad. Meredith Baxter Lesbian has a pretty hard face today, but I’ve seen worse. Frank and McNichol and have been out of Hollywood for decades and most likely haven’t had any work done. They’re just aging and seriously have no fucks left to give.

by Anonymousreply 20August 20, 2021 1:15 PM

I think Frank would look 100% better if the top of his head didn’t look so flat. I think McNichol looked fine.

by Anonymousreply 21August 20, 2021 5:04 PM

R18 Strongly suggest you throw out all school annuals, erase all photos of yourself and duck whenever you see a camera pointing your way. Otherwise you're going to be spending your life in falling into deep depression whenever you catch a glimpse of your younger self.

by Anonymousreply 22August 20, 2021 5:21 PM

R21 Willie's hair looked like a candy corn-shaped frizzy helmet.

by Anonymousreply 23August 20, 2021 5:45 PM

R16, I make fun of Sada as much as the next person, but that is some very well-done acting, both technically sound and emotionally invested. Girl's got chops!

by Anonymousreply 24August 20, 2021 6:45 PM

Audrey is a pain in the ass.

by Anonymousreply 25August 20, 2021 7:23 PM

Watching the episode where Willie marries a doomed Brooke Adams. Adams' mother is played by DL favorite Priscilla Pointer (Amy Irving's real life and on-screen mother in Carrie.) Harold Gould (Rhoda's pop) played the father.

Pointer was quite a striking looking older lady. I wonder why her career wasn't bigger.

by Anonymousreply 26August 21, 2021 3:14 AM

R18 that's life duder. I mean, whaddya gonna do? Frankly, they don't look THAT bad

by Anonymousreply 27August 21, 2021 3:16 AM

That's *Tony Award winning* Sada Thompson to you bums.

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by Anonymousreply 28August 21, 2021 3:22 AM

R26 Joan Crawford had her blackballed.

by Anonymousreply 29August 21, 2021 1:25 PM

What a fug family.

by Anonymousreply 30August 21, 2021 1:28 PM

I just watched what might be termed Family's "jump the shark" episode. It occurs late in Season 3.

Kate waks up from a horrible nightmare in which she's hit a small blond boy with her car. The dream is very upsetting to her and, unlike other nightmares she's had in the past, she can't shake this one. She wanders around in a daze, becoming increasingly more upset and not sleeping, while everyone around her tries to convince her that it wasn't a dream, it was a precognitive episode. Little things from the dream start to come true. (Kate has an accident with her own car, and the loaner she gets is red, the same color as the car in her dream.) It all culminates with Buddy being bitten by a possibly rabid raccoon that she's bought as a pet (don't ask) and Kate is forced to drive Buddy to the hospital in the dreaded red car at night because no one else is home and a cab will take too long.

On the way home, Kate starts to freak out because the same classical tune in her dream is playing on the radio and the streets look familiar. She jams on her brakes in front of a stop sign, nearly sending poor Buddy into the windshield, breaks down in a panic, and roughly two minutes later, a little blond boy runs out into the night street (at about 11pm) to catch his errant toy ball.

Kate tells Buddy that the boy is exactly the same one from her dream. Buddy says- How did you know to stop?! as though Kate had saved this kid's life, and I'm thinking- if you'd just kept driving instead of stopping and playing a scene with each other, by the time the kid had run out into the street, you'd have been four blocks away.

A really stupid, sloppy, ridiculous episode and I'm surprised an actress of Sada's intelligence (and from what I hear, force) would have accepted it.

by Anonymousreply 31August 22, 2021 8:18 PM

I really enjoyed the series but yes, Nancy was such a BITCH!

by Anonymousreply 32August 22, 2021 8:28 PM

In the episode where Buddy is thinking about losing her virginity she tries to talk to Nancy about it. Nancy cuts her off, saying the conversation is inappropriate. What a cunt! That what big sisters are for, answering questions you're too embarrassed to ask your mom.

by Anonymousreply 33August 22, 2021 8:45 PM

I actually like the episodes where Nancy isn't part of the stories at all. The end of Season 3 there's a whole string of them, but I would say she maybe showed up in 2/3 of the Season 3 episodes at best.

by Anonymousreply 34August 22, 2021 8:51 PM

Let’s fill up the first thread first.

by Anonymousreply 35August 22, 2021 8:55 PM

[quote]Pointer was quite a striking looking older lady. I wonder why her career wasn't bigger.

Her career was very big. She did a ton of work over many years... but she was never "striking looking".

by Anonymousreply 36August 22, 2021 9:00 PM

I think that ship has sailed, r35.

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by Anonymousreply 37August 22, 2021 9:08 PM

I'm guessing they needed an actor more full time than Willie Aames was able to give them in Season 4, so they gave Buddy a new boyfriend, but I think they should have just recast the role instead of creating a brand new boyfriend who is already pressuring Buddy to fuck in his first appearance. We have no idea how long they've been together and it feels like she should be able to just tell him to get lost because we haven't seen any investment in him from her. Or they could have waited a few episodes before broaching the topic so we could feel her dilemma better.

by Anonymousreply 38August 22, 2021 9:57 PM

The more I see of Willie in the series, the more I want that era of Willie inside me quite deeply.

I bet his bedroom smelled of sweat socks and sweaty nuts.

by Anonymousreply 39August 22, 2021 11:56 PM

Last time I remember seeing Gary Frank was on Star Trek in the late 90s.

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by Anonymousreply 40August 23, 2021 12:09 AM

I think Gary has aged as well or better than John Rubinstein

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by Anonymousreply 41August 23, 2021 12:10 AM

Isn't Rubinstein older?

by Anonymousreply 42August 23, 2021 12:13 AM

By 4 years.

by Anonymousreply 43August 23, 2021 12:28 AM

Instead of the "Fortysomething" spinoff they should have Willie's kids start a new era of Family. Aunt Buddy and her girlfriend can come visit once a season.

by Anonymousreply 44August 23, 2021 12:30 AM

[quote]R33 In the episode where Buddy is thinking about losing her virginity she tries to talk to Nancy about it. Nancy cuts her off, saying the conversation is inappropriate. What a cunt!

She reacts the same way in the episode where Buddy’s squatting over a mirror, trying to master putting in a tampon.

Nancy is having NONE of it!

by Anonymousreply 45August 23, 2021 12:30 AM

[quote]Aunt Buddy and her girlfriend can come visit once a season.

And Aunt Nancy can come by when she's in a lesbonic mood and lord her superior lesbonic experiences over little Buddy and her little lesbian girlfriend with the little tiny vagina....

by Anonymousreply 46August 23, 2021 12:37 AM

I don't mind quinn cummings as much as i thought i would. they write well for her and she can handle the dialogue, as well as hold her own with Sada.

by Anonymousreply 47August 23, 2021 12:47 AM

Buddy's rival for Leif Garrett's cock was none other than Miss Lisa Whelchel, who was willing to give it up when Buddy was not.

by Anonymousreply 48August 23, 2021 12:53 AM

[quote]I don't mind quinn cummings as much as i thought i would. they write well for her and she can handle the dialogue, as well as hold her own with Sada.

I really like the scene where Kate and Annie were having coffee:

Kate: Would you like some sugar, Annie?

Annie: No thanks, and I have to say I admire the way you hide your disappointment in your children, Kate. That Nancy is just exhausting!

by Anonymousreply 49August 23, 2021 12:55 AM

I'm watching an episode now with Annie Potts playing a washed up rock star who attempted suicide sharing a hospital room with Kate. It's fascinating. I've never heard of staying in the hospital for two nights just to get a physical, but that's what she and Doug are doing. Also, Charlotte Rae is playing a busybody nurse, and Annie Potts has absolutely no tits whatsoever. Flat as a pancake.

by Anonymousreply 50August 23, 2021 1:04 AM

I'm sick of Doug's distractions.

It's time for Howard Stone to come over and lick my snatch!

by Anonymousreply 51August 23, 2021 4:06 AM

I never knew Kristy was part Lebanese (and no, this is not a lesbian joke).

by Anonymousreply 52August 23, 2021 4:14 AM

Everybody talks about how it was weird that Willie Aames and Leif Garrett would be drooling over Buddy, but has anyone considered that every season had as a plot point Doug either having or contemplating an affair, because he was constantly being hit on by women? That didn't exactly seem likely.

by Anonymousreply 53August 23, 2021 11:38 AM

Willie and his friend Zeke should have been up in Willie's bedroom giving each other handyjays.

by Anonymousreply 54August 24, 2021 3:03 PM

I'm watching an episode where Buddy is trying out for the cheerleading squad. She said she would be the first freshman on the squad if she made the cut. How could she be a freshman if she's 16?

Also, cheerleaders aren't lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 55August 24, 2021 4:43 PM

[quote]Also, cheerleaders aren't lesbians.

Oh, really?

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by Anonymousreply 56August 24, 2021 10:54 PM

Nancy is intolerable.

by Anonymousreply 57August 26, 2021 3:57 PM

I agree that Nancy is the "weak link" of the Lawrence family. First, she's under-utilized during the entire series (disappears for many episodes in a row). Second, her character is irrational and rash (too much of a drama queen). Third, Meredith is too old and too old looking to play a character who supposedly married at age 19 and had a child right away (she was 29 during season 2, Kristy McNichol was 14). I wish the show had had a Lawrence child between Willie (who also looks late 20s) and Buddy, such as a 17-year-old daughter about to start university, a sexual relationship or two, a new part-time job, etc.

by Anonymousreply 58August 26, 2021 4:26 PM

All it takes is sun damage and a butch cut to be a lesbian

by Anonymousreply 59August 26, 2021 4:27 PM

[quote] I wish the show had had a Lawrence child between Willie (who also looks late 20s) and Buddy, such as a 17-year-old daughter about to start university, a sexual relationship or two, a new part-time job, etc.

They did, but I died in that accident! (The one never described in specifics.)

by Anonymousreply 60August 26, 2021 4:29 PM

Oh, yeah, I forgot that dead Timmy was born just before Buddy. His gravestone showed 1961-1971. Still, too huge a gap between Willie and Buddy...and Nancy too old! Also, why weren't Annie's biological relatives ever mentioned? They never contacted her or visited her. She didn't have biological grandparents, aunts and uncles, cousins, etc.?

by Anonymousreply 61August 26, 2021 4:35 PM

Actually I just watched the episode where they were kind of forced to adopt her (they agreed to be her godparents and...forgot?). She had a rich business woman aunt who didn't want the responsibility of raising her, so she foisted her on the Lawrences.

by Anonymousreply 62August 26, 2021 5:52 PM

R26- I really liked her as Rebecca Wentworth on Dallas.

by Anonymousreply 63August 26, 2021 6:36 PM

Annie, quickie adoption. The Lawrences meet Annie, adopt her, and Annie adjusts to life with the family/Pasadena ALL WITHIN ONE HOUR-LONG EPISODE!!!

by Anonymousreply 64August 26, 2021 6:40 PM

She doesn't quite adjust in one hour. There are episodes after the first one where she's having issues fitting in and missing her family and running away.

by Anonymousreply 65August 26, 2021 8:56 PM

I barely wanted my own spawn, and now a smart aleck brat is ruining my quiet time?

Fuck THAT noise. Mama needs a Milltown and a fifth of vodka.

by Anonymousreply 66August 26, 2021 9:14 PM

Annie never called Doug and Kate "Dad" and "Mom". That would've been nice, you know!

by Anonymousreply 67August 26, 2021 9:21 PM

R60 Timmy's death was pretty well described. Doug was going to take Willie fishing. Then Buddy demanded to go, and if Buddy was going Timmy had to go to.

The boat tipped over, and Doug was saving Buddy. Meanwhile, Timmy got trapped under some tree roots, Doug and Willie were unable to get to him on time, and he drown.

A terrible, traumatic awful scene. In fact, it's had to imagine the family being so we'll adjusted only 4 or so years after the incident, which is when the series begins

by Anonymousreply 68August 26, 2021 9:58 PM

Buck never would have saved Buddy.

by Anonymousreply 69August 26, 2021 10:19 PM

R68 I don't remember that episode - not saying you're not correct, just didn't remember it.

In the first episode she says that she birthed 3 children - and then later in that first season the Timmy business is briefly explained in the episode where Nancy baptizes the baby. So I think they added that plot twist in after the pilot was shot.

by Anonymousreply 70August 27, 2021 1:39 AM

Lisa Whelchel episode.

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by Anonymousreply 71August 27, 2021 1:42 AM

R70 I I believe the final episode of season one, Jeff asks Willie exactly what happened. He tells him.

And yeah the pilot was shot almost a year before episode two. They decided to add the tragedy, and also soften the mother character. I think the pilot was shot in the real house, and all subsequent episodes were a sound stage recreation.

by Anonymousreply 72August 27, 2021 4:42 AM

R71, I always felt that episode ended on a strange note with Lisa hot saucing Buddy after she swore at her.

by Anonymousreply 73August 27, 2021 5:51 PM

i’m watching a fabulous episode called Disco Queen where Kristy gets submerged into the Pasadena disco scene. She goes to a local club with Priscilla Lopez from A Chorus Line and meets the local disco heartthrob, played by the guy who played Double J in Saturday Night Fever. Of course, Kristy is in a satin vest/pants combo and looks like Mercedes McCambridge in Johnny Guitar.

by Anonymousreply 74August 27, 2021 5:56 PM

I noticed in earlier episodes, some of the adults marvel a bit at how mature or wise Buddy can be. In a way that seems natural.

But then when McNichol was probably getting really famous....in later seasons, there's a few episodes where the adults are almost like worshipping Buddy. "I wish I was you, Buddy!" sort of shit. And McNichol just sits there with a dumb smirk.

I don't have a lot of quibbles with this show, am loving it, but a few of these moments are noticeable now. It's almost like they had a formula of "Let's have a Buddy Is Wise Beyond Her Years moment, which we insert every five or six episodes."

by Anonymousreply 75August 27, 2021 6:00 PM

I just watched an episode where Kate got super puritanical about Willie fucking her duet partner (played by Shelley Long). She was totally in the wrong, but they let her get away with it.

Also, Audrey Pfeiffer is a massive cunt.

by Anonymousreply 76August 27, 2021 6:02 PM

Willie was a cougar chaser before cougars had a name.

by Anonymousreply 77August 27, 2021 6:05 PM

Willie got way too much trim for his rather spindly body and nightmare coiffure.

by Anonymousreply 78August 27, 2021 6:06 PM

It was his 10 x 7 that the cougars couldn't resist.

You know those twinks with concave chests always unzip and THWACK, the python pops out.

by Anonymousreply 79August 27, 2021 6:12 PM

R76- Audrey was SO average. Buddy was always going to Audrey's ostensibly to do homework or hang out. But we know the real reason Buddy was at Audrey's so often- to LICK HER PUSSY.

by Anonymousreply 80August 27, 2021 7:37 PM

Did Lisa Whelchel even get one line of dialogue?

by Anonymousreply 81August 27, 2021 11:58 PM

She had a few later in the episode.

by Anonymousreply 82August 28, 2021 2:15 AM

It seemed like this was the time for uptight white family dramas, also Ordinary People and Interiors. Also houses painted entirely white inside. And boring, preppy clothes, and mousey hair. Like Ralph Lauren was directing America for a while.

by Anonymousreply 83August 28, 2021 4:32 PM

Buddy and I liked the pole AND the hole.

by Anonymousreply 84August 28, 2021 6:30 PM

So Blair actually lost her virginity first?

by Anonymousreply 85August 29, 2021 12:15 AM

[quote]She had a few later in the episode.

"Buddy, you can't lick my twat anymore; my parents are sending me to the Eastland School for Girls."

by Anonymousreply 86August 29, 2021 12:00 PM

Excuse me. EXCUSE ME.

*hair toss*

No one has mentioned me or my perfect son Timmy in at least 30 replies. WHAT ABOUT ME?

by Anonymousreply 87August 29, 2021 1:34 PM

The mom is gross and fat. Is she gay, a dyke?

by Anonymousreply 88August 30, 2021 4:56 PM

I never got into this show. I thought it was depressing and the mom was cold and icy to me and the first time I saw Kristy, I was a young teen, I said "she's a lesbian". My mom thought I was being too judgy and said "she's just a tomboy". I was right and Mom now admits it. Takes a homo to know one.

by Anonymousreply 89August 30, 2021 5:06 PM

[quote]The mom is gross and fat. Is she gay, a dyke?

These are the kind of perceptive insights we need on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 90August 30, 2021 5:36 PM

R88 I'd defend Kate but she already smacked the shit out of you and kicked you into next week.

She'll cut a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 91August 30, 2021 6:12 PM

Kate always had a look on her face like she knew better than you, and you were wasting her time, and were a no-account, shiftless punk who was up to no good. I suspect people who loved this how had moms who looks like that.

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by Anonymousreply 93August 30, 2021 6:32 PM


The family was normal-looking, which is why those of us who grew up with it feel ok with our average looks.

Your generation, OTOH, can never measure up to the air-brushed perfection that is media these days. I feel bad for you.

by Anonymousreply 94August 30, 2021 6:43 PM

Standing ovation for R94

by Anonymousreply 95August 30, 2021 6:43 PM

[quote]Kate always had a look on her face like she knew better than you, and you were wasting her time, and were a no-account, shiftless punk who was up to no good.

Given those three kids of hers, can you blame her?

by Anonymousreply 96August 30, 2021 6:46 PM

R96 Yeah, I can blame her, she raised them. And do you really think when she was a kid, she was likely much better than them? That's what I can't stand about her smug superiority. It's easy to be that way when you've learned more of life's lessons. The writers had a bias against the kids, anyway.

R94 The ones I feel bad for today are actors. Average looking actors with talent used to get more jobs! Producers looking for good actors in those days. Looks were important (relatively) but today it's ALL about looks, and unusually good looks. There are still shows with "nerds" and average looking people but invariably they play misfits, not regular people.

by Anonymousreply 97August 30, 2021 7:03 PM

I loved the episode in which the Family went backpacking on the Savage-Lundy Trail in 109° weather and cooked themselves, even baby Timmy. A Very Special Episode, indeed!

by Anonymousreply 98August 30, 2021 7:35 PM

I remember shooting that episode with Lisa Whelchel like it was yesterday. Lisa kept claiming she was a "method actress" so she actually fucked Leif! Not sure how she justified fucking half the camera crew. She kept wandering around asking who had coke and finally a set designer hooked up up.

None of us could believe it; we were all disgusted by her whoring and coking. Even Sada was all "Yeah, REAL CHRISTIAN, LISA!"

by Anonymousreply 99August 30, 2021 8:03 PM

[quote] Given those three kids of hers, can you blame her?


by Anonymousreply 100August 30, 2021 9:48 PM

I birthed FOUR kids, you little demon seed! You're the fifth - the oddball.

And I rue the day we ever agreed to take you in!

by Anonymousreply 101August 30, 2021 9:50 PM

R94- The men on the show including Willie had slim, natural bodies, which was the norm in the 1970's. Today every guy is either FAT or MUSCULAR or both

by Anonymousreply 102August 30, 2021 11:54 PM

Just watched the ep where Nancy and Jeff divorce. Nancy had a date with some hairy, hot DILFy professor. Get that good D, Nancy!

by Anonymousreply 103August 30, 2021 11:58 PM

[quote]Just watched the ep where Nancy and Jeff divorce. Nancy had a date with some hairy, hot DILFy professor. Get that good D, Nancy!

These kids today!

by Anonymousreply 104August 31, 2021 12:02 AM

Tommy Lee Jones appeared as a construction worker who had a one night stand with Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 105August 31, 2021 12:04 AM

I'm watching an episode from Season 4 where Willie and some ballerina "meet cute" and he gets involved in her drama, as the Lawrences are always wont to do. It's really poorly written, Willie's schtick with women has really gotten old and tiresome by this point, and Stephanie Zimbalist, as the ballerina, is so strident and awful that I don't buy for a minute Willie, even with all his neurotic tendencies, would waste more than five minutes on her when she's nothing but a massive cunt to him. I'm thinking of skipping the 2nd half.

by Anonymousreply 106August 31, 2021 1:29 AM

My favorite episode was a two-parter. When Willie married Brooke Adams and she died from some disease. I think it was leukemia. Very sad. Great acting from Gary Frank, especially his breakdown scene at the beach.

by Anonymousreply 107August 31, 2021 1:38 AM

The things that seem very fresh and bracing in the first three or so seasons become a little bit of self parody toward the end. As all shows eventually do.

by Anonymousreply 108August 31, 2021 1:43 AM

The mile of dick my character had - including my ex real life allegedly abusive husband, David Birney - was lost on me. There was some quality cock!

Apologies to all.

by Anonymousreply 109August 31, 2021 3:30 AM

David Birney was good looking in the 1970's.

by Anonymousreply 110August 31, 2021 3:37 AM

I think "Ballerina" is the worst episode in the series, R106. I've never been able to get through it.

The producers were clearly burnt out at that point.

A new team took over for season 5, and it's an improvement.

by Anonymousreply 111August 31, 2021 3:52 AM

Yeah, it was really terrible, R106. I made it through, but I had one eye on it while doing something else.

by Anonymousreply 112August 31, 2021 4:42 AM

Has anyone mentioned me lately?

by Anonymousreply 113August 31, 2021 1:29 PM

Just realized said hot DILFy professor was David Hedison.

by Anonymousreply 114August 31, 2021 5:00 PM

r114 Who had something in common with Whitney Blake ... and whose daughter is married to Jodie Foster.

by Anonymousreply 115August 31, 2021 5:08 PM

Yes, he was Jodie's father-in-law!

by Anonymousreply 116August 31, 2021 8:09 PM

Willie had bad taste in women and would do anything for some snatch.

by Anonymousreply 117September 1, 2021 3:10 AM

I've watched a few more episodes and I think I've been cured of my attraction to Willie.


by Anonymousreply 118September 2, 2021 10:45 PM

Which episodes made you feel that way, R118?

by Anonymousreply 119September 3, 2021 7:15 AM

I've watched a few at the beginning of Season 2 and it's just Willie being a brat.

Willie wants two women. The way he treats the girl with her own business is just....ugh.

Willie wants to make a film of everyone (ha, this is so outdated now)

He'd be a big do me queen in bed, I can just tell.

by Anonymousreply 120September 3, 2021 4:45 PM

I just watched the episode with David Birney as the school child psychologist (cringe) and Nancy's boyfriend with a dark secret. When he was a 19 year old camp counselor he initiated a relationship with a THIRTEEN year old girl. He didn't get jail time and said with a lot of therapy he was "cured" from having those feelings anymore. Uh-huh. Everything about this story line is so fucking creepy to watch now. He became a child psychologist to help children with tough problems like his. (A pedophile who wants to help children not be pedophiles? Sure, that makes sense.) David Birney was cute though, even for being a tiny pipsqueak of a man. And you could definitely see the chemistry between him and MBB. She couldn't keep her hands off of him.

by Anonymousreply 121September 3, 2021 5:32 PM

Especially creepy knowing how abusive he was to her.

by Anonymousreply 122September 3, 2021 6:12 PM

So she says.

by Anonymousreply 123September 3, 2021 6:24 PM

Well, at least we know now that Sada Thompson and Ed Asner are not the same person… 😆

by Anonymousreply 124September 3, 2021 6:26 PM

R124 NOOOOOOOOO you didn't!

by Anonymousreply 125September 3, 2021 6:33 PM

He is so cold to her in this clip.

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by Anonymousreply 126September 4, 2021 2:41 AM

I always thought he looked more like her brother than her husband.

by Anonymousreply 127September 4, 2021 3:58 AM

She talks about Family and Sada around the seven minute or so mark.

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by Anonymousreply 128September 4, 2021 4:29 AM

And once again, I'm bawling my eyes out. RIP, Sada.

by Anonymousreply 129September 4, 2021 4:57 AM

I'm watching an episode with Steve Guttenberg where he hassles our Sada on her first day of teaching school. I've always loathed Guttenberg and this episode is really irritating.

by Anonymousreply 130September 4, 2021 6:14 AM

I've just started and I'm only on the episode with Timmy the Usurper's christening. I can't believe how old Sada Thompson and James Broderick look for 49 (they were both born in 1927). Were the characters supposed to be older or is this just another example of everyone looking ancient on old tv shows?

by Anonymousreply 131September 4, 2021 7:29 AM

In the pilot, Kate is 46.

She and Doug are supposed to be the same age.

People looked old as hell in their 40s back then. I blame smoking.

by Anonymousreply 132September 4, 2021 7:40 AM

[quote]I can't believe how old Sada Thompson and James Broderick look for 49 (they were both born in 1927). Were the characters supposed to be older or is this just another example of everyone looking ancient on old tv shows?

My parents were born in 1928 and 1926 and they looked younger in 1976 (or 1986) than those two did in 1976.

by Anonymousreply 133September 4, 2021 7:41 AM

Thanks, R132. It hadn't even crossed my mind that she could have been playing younger.

Now I'm sitting here trying to picture her with a Real Housewives makeover and him without the long eyebrows and sideburns, or the side part that starts two inches above his ear.

by Anonymousreply 134September 4, 2021 7:57 AM

The lighting on Sada often seemed to change and become dark and almost ominous. Didn't help her look younger.

by Anonymousreply 135September 4, 2021 8:04 AM

Fat people look older.

by Anonymousreply 136September 4, 2021 8:06 AM

Poor Kristy . To be in the closet and famous took a toll on her mental health.

by Anonymousreply 137September 4, 2021 8:15 AM

Willie was hot

by Anonymousreply 138September 4, 2021 8:16 AM

James Broderick died only a couple of years after Family was cancelled, so it's not terribly surprising that he didn't look great during its run.

I also think people of that generation, born in the '20s, had it really rough, and that probably aged them prematurely. Their childhood was during the Great Depression with its attendant poverty (poor nutrition and economic insecurity during the formative years), then their young adulthood was consumed by the privations of WWII and the rationing and shortages that continued for years afterwards. Finally, there was the heavy smoking and drinking that were part of daily life for most American adults in the '50s and '60s.

Looked at that way, it's kind of amazing any of them managed to make it into the '70s!

by Anonymousreply 139September 4, 2021 9:06 AM

Buddy, on Timmy's tragic future as a child of divorce:

"It's serious. I heard that boys who grow up without fathers can become homosexuals."

by Anonymousreply 140September 4, 2021 9:29 AM

[quote]Finally, there was the heavy smoking and drinking that were part of daily life for most American adults in the '50s and '60s.

Oh, come on. "Heavy smoking and drinking"? Many people did smoke, but most American adults were not heavy smokers, or heavy drinkers. My parents smoked, but moderately, and they only drank socially. I'd say that was true of most people. And people rarely did drugs, unlike in the 70s and 80s, or even today.

by Anonymousreply 141September 4, 2021 10:22 AM

R141 Everyplace then reeked of smoke.

But no, most Americans were not heavy smokers. If a carton a day is your definition of a heavy smoker.

by Anonymousreply 142September 4, 2021 11:08 AM

R141 In 1963, annual cigarette consumption per capita in the US was around 4,300. And of course, not everyone smoked (around 70% of men and 30% of women did), so the ones who did were smoking roughly 7,000+ cigarettes per year, or 2+ packs a day. I think that's considered heavy use by today's standards.

by Anonymousreply 143September 4, 2021 2:01 PM

The 50 year olds I knew in the 70s looked just like Sada and James Broderick.

Now the women all try hard to look 25 and the men do, too.

by Anonymousreply 144September 4, 2021 2:23 PM

R163 I didn't realize Family aired in 1963. And nobody's yet defended the remark about everybody being heavy drinkers.

by Anonymousreply 145September 4, 2021 3:10 PM

r145 can see into both the future AND the past!

by Anonymousreply 146September 4, 2021 4:42 PM

My brain was confusing the awesome FAMILY theme song with this haunting, beautiful theme song.

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by Anonymousreply 147September 4, 2021 7:53 PM

Very observant! By the composer Jerry Goldsmith, who produced music for a vast number of movies and TV shows.

by Anonymousreply 148September 4, 2021 9:09 PM


by Anonymousreply 149September 4, 2021 10:03 PM

In the clip R26 provided, MBB gets 'Family' and 'Family Ties' confused at first. Was she a little drunk? And that show seems like a parody on SNL, but it's not. Who exactly is Don Boxer?

by Anonymousreply 150September 5, 2021 12:40 AM

She seemed not all together there in that clip, it's actually sad.

by Anonymousreply 151September 5, 2021 1:23 AM

i thought she seemed like a pretty good sport, being bombarded by two complete ninnies.

by Anonymousreply 152September 5, 2021 4:21 AM

Was Nancy a recurring role on Family?

I've seen bits of the first three seasons and it seems like she's in maybe every other or sometimes every third episode.

by Anonymousreply 153September 5, 2021 4:30 AM

I have read that MBB took the role because she wanted to work, but was raising young children and liked that she wouldn't be committed every week.

by Anonymousreply 154September 5, 2021 4:46 AM

R138- He was ONLY hot by the last season in 1980, when he cut his hair and grew a beard.

by Anonymousreply 155September 5, 2021 4:49 AM

I saw Doug Lawrence out at that rest stop on the interstate.

He had his hands full!

by Anonymousreply 156September 6, 2021 12:11 AM

Gary had sexual appeal

by Anonymousreply 157September 6, 2021 12:22 AM

I wanted Gary/Willie inside me quite deeply.

by Anonymousreply 158September 6, 2021 12:29 AM

I was never attracted to Gary Frank in any way. Not even as an actor.

by Anonymousreply 159September 6, 2021 3:26 PM

R159 = Kristy McNichol

by Anonymousreply 160September 6, 2021 5:40 PM

Wow, is it really that unusual not to be attracted to a boring fug like Gary Frank?

by Anonymousreply 161September 6, 2021 5:44 PM

Nobody’s mentioned the episode where Kate was a member of the jury in a courtroom case? And of course during the verdict discussion she had her own opinions. That, to me, was a quintessential Kate episode.

by Anonymousreply 162September 6, 2021 6:04 PM

R162, I always get that episode confused with the Designing Women episode where Julia serves on a jury and yells at some woman about her 'June Allyson bladder pads.'

by Anonymousreply 163September 6, 2021 7:21 PM

They never seem to show the episode where Kate admits her secret fetish for BBC.

by Anonymousreply 164September 6, 2021 10:47 PM

"And of course during the verdict discussion she had her own opinions. That, to me, was a quintessential Kate episode.

Of course it is. Because she demonstrates rational and intelligent thinking. Which is what one would expect from one of the best-written and played series in television history.

by Anonymousreply 165September 7, 2021 12:10 AM

[quote] Which is what one would expect from one of the best-written and played series in television history.


by Anonymousreply 166September 7, 2021 12:13 AM

R162 just watched that and it was so dramatic....unusual for FAMILY.

I read the credits at the end and one of the skateboard bitches was none other than Laura of Luke and Laura herself, Genie Francis.

by Anonymousreply 167September 7, 2021 2:44 AM

r167, I recognized her without even reading the credits, though I did confirm.

by Anonymousreply 168September 7, 2021 3:25 AM

Well, Willie Aames was in it too but I didn't recognize those young faces, I guess!

by Anonymousreply 169September 7, 2021 3:28 AM

Nancy's professor looks so fuckable

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by Anonymousreply 170September 7, 2021 3:59 AM

I thought he looked like a sleazeball.

by Anonymousreply 171September 7, 2021 5:42 PM

I'm in the middle of Season 5 and the verdict is in- Nancy was an all around cunt.

by Anonymousreply 172September 7, 2021 5:44 PM

R172- Nancy was a WASPP- a White Anglo Saxon Protestant Princess.

by Anonymousreply 173September 7, 2021 5:57 PM

Nancy apparently took Kate's car one morning and left her a note instructing Kate to return her library books and pick up some suntan lotion for her.

What a spoiled little bitch!

by Anonymousreply 174September 7, 2021 6:08 PM

R174- I watched that episode in July. She's LAZY too.

by Anonymousreply 175September 7, 2021 6:11 PM

Real pretty hair, though.

by Anonymousreply 176September 7, 2021 6:26 PM

Where is Elaine Heilveil?

by Anonymousreply 177September 7, 2021 6:29 PM

And Cassie Yates?

by Anonymousreply 178September 7, 2021 6:35 PM

The season four episode MAGIC with Annie Potts sharing a hospital room with Kate is a hoot. Annie smoking in every scene. In the hospital! Times have changed.

by Anonymousreply 179September 7, 2021 6:40 PM

What about the episode where Kate, who is just sick of everything and everyone, gets trapped in some condo overnight? With an overdue preggo who of course has to choose that moment to shoot out her baby.

It sure makes Kate reevaluate and appreciate Family life, once and for all!

by Anonymousreply 180September 7, 2021 6:47 PM

The preggo was played by real life loon Kim Darby, and her character could give Nancy a run for her money in the cunt race.

by Anonymousreply 181September 7, 2021 7:11 PM

[quote] Where is Elaine Heilveil?

Playing Yente in a community theater production of Fiddler, if she's lucky.

by Anonymousreply 182September 7, 2021 7:13 PM

R189 an R181- You people keep saying PREGGO which reminds me of that Tomato sauce Prego.

by Anonymousreply 183September 7, 2021 7:23 PM

Ugh, Jeff is back for an episode in Season 5. Loathe him.

by Anonymousreply 184September 7, 2021 7:40 PM

Does anyone think they replaced Elayne Heilveil with MBB because they realized that nobody would buy someone who looked like Heilveil getting away with acting as spoiled and entitled as Nancy does?

by Anonymousreply 185September 7, 2021 7:56 PM

R184 I hated Jeff the character but for a minute in that first episode with MBB he looked extremely fuckable.

His dialogue was so retro, though.

"I was in your bed, and you need a man there, baby!" Or something like that.

And it was MBB - apparently, she needed a man like a fish needed a bicycle!

by Anonymousreply 186September 7, 2021 9:28 PM

Elaine Heilveil was too Jewish looking to play Nancy!

by Anonymousreply 187September 8, 2021 12:19 AM

One of the library books Nancy told her mother to return was Jill Johnston's "Lesbian Nation": Kate looked at the cover and pursed her lips, then Buddy said, "Don't return that one, I haven't finished it yet."

by Anonymousreply 188September 8, 2021 12:24 AM

R188- I bet Kristy had the MAJOR HOTS for MBB on the set of the show.

by Anonymousreply 189September 8, 2021 2:54 AM

Season 5 and the horrendous maid Mrs. Hanley is back, being played by yet ANOTHER actress and confounding me once more as to why Kate is putting up with such an incompetent cunt of a housekeeper.

by Anonymousreply 190September 8, 2021 9:21 AM

Kristy probably crushed hard on Dominique Dunne when she guest starred on season 5

by Anonymousreply 191September 8, 2021 10:28 AM

There's so much foreshadowing. Buddy just started her bakery job and sang happy birthday to Chrissie Evert apropos of nothing.

The ass ruffles must have done it.

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by Anonymousreply 192September 8, 2021 10:57 AM

R190. You've obviously never had a housekeeper. It's hard to find good help. And the replacement might well be worse.

by Anonymousreply 193September 8, 2021 3:06 PM

R190 , R193 plus having an incompetent maid gives something to talk about when she gets together with her other cunty white-lady friends. "You just can't get good help these days." Then sighing as she lifts her third Stinger.

by Anonymousreply 194September 8, 2021 3:17 PM

R194 And of course in return the helpers get together on their day off and talk about you.

by Anonymousreply 195September 8, 2021 4:42 PM

I laughed when Kate told someone to go fuck themselves over the phone.

by Anonymousreply 196September 8, 2021 4:53 PM

The show needed an Adam Chandler type villain to mess with the characters lives.

If only for an episode.

by Anonymousreply 197September 8, 2021 5:27 PM

Nancy, you ignorant slut!

by Anonymousreply 198September 8, 2021 5:48 PM

Kate, slut-shaming Nancy: "Timmy One would never let his professor fuck him on the first date!"

Nancy silently shows Kate photo of beard-y professor.

Kate: "Well second date then. You're still a WHORE, Nancy!"

by Anonymousreply 199September 8, 2021 6:06 PM

[quote] You've obviously never had a housekeeper. It's hard to find good help. And the replacement might well be worse.

I actually have had several. I fire them regularly if they don't do things as I like. I finally found someone I liked, who did a good enough job, but I had to train her. And I can't tell you how many times she accidentally broke something. But she was a hard worker and a sweet lady. I haven't had her back since Covid started, which bums me out, but I look forward to seeing her again soon.

by Anonymousreply 200September 8, 2021 6:19 PM

R200=Faye Dunaway

by Anonymousreply 201September 8, 2021 7:38 PM

Now it's the episode where we learn Friedrich von Trapp was the father of Selina's baby.

by Anonymousreply 202September 8, 2021 9:07 PM

It's okay, Selina, I would have let him poke me in the cooter too.

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by Anonymousreply 203September 8, 2021 9:15 PM

Oh, I see Kate's passive-aggressive ghost is posting here in the form of R202 and R203. It's S-A-L-I-N-A, you salmon-lipped cunt.

If by chance it was an accident, which I know it wasn't, just remember the salinity of the tears I cried over your damaged son.

by Anonymousreply 204September 8, 2021 9:37 PM

R204 In my house we called you "Sluttina," dear. You were a mess who bewitched my poor Willie.

It's a blessing you fucked it up all on your own and I didn't need to intercede - THAT time, anyway.

No, you can't have my son, or my house, or my life. Bye, Sluttina.

by Anonymousreply 205September 8, 2021 9:41 PM

"TJ Latimer" today

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by Anonymousreply 206September 8, 2021 9:49 PM

[quote]No, you can't have my son, or my house, or my life.

Please! If Lifetime movies had been around then I would have had all three as well as your husband, definitely both daughters, and you as well. Just admit that you flicked your dusty bean to my hot bod when I turned to porn in order to support the daughter your good-for-nothing son promised to take care of, Kate; the son who didn't die of gross negligence, that is.

I'm sorry that your frustration has only grown in death.

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by Anonymousreply 207September 8, 2021 10:13 PM

No one wants to ride the town bicycle, Skanlina.

Buh bye now.

by Anonymousreply 208September 8, 2021 10:18 PM

I have two complaints about these people: I am re-watching season 2 and I can’t get over what I call “Kate’s Grubby Kitchen Cabinets”. All of her kitchen cabinets have dirty and greasy stains, especially around the knobs. Did anybody ever clean those? And Willie is totally gross, he has freakishly long fingernails for a straight man.

by Anonymousreply 209September 9, 2021 2:08 AM

If no one ever bothered to clean Willie’s greasy, filthy, stained knob, why would you expect special treatment for the cabinets?

by Anonymousreply 210September 9, 2021 3:00 AM

I seriously wonder about the people here who think Willy/Gary Frank is hot. Mental illness is such a problem in our world today.

by Anonymousreply 211September 9, 2021 4:08 AM

R211- as I said earlier in this thread by 1980 he was finally attractive. He cut his hair . He looked well groomed.

by Anonymousreply 212September 9, 2021 12:25 PM

It bugged me that here was a prosperous Upper middle class family and Kate and Doug drove those CRAPPY Ford Mavericks. I'm not suggesting they be Vulgar like Jeff's parents and drive a Rolls Royce but maybe a nice Oldsmobile or Buick.

by Anonymousreply 213September 9, 2021 12:27 PM

Willie looked a lot like the teenage/early 20s boys in my neighborhood in the late 70s, and yes, they were hot.

He does have the voice of an older/old man, though.

by Anonymousreply 214September 9, 2021 12:54 PM

Elaine is suddenly in several episodes.

Does she secretly want to eat Kate's snatch or something?

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by Anonymousreply 215September 9, 2021 1:36 PM

This is one of the things that bugged me about Family the most- their cavalier way of recasting. I just watched an episode from Season 5 where Elaine comes back into the picture and has a major role. They recast the part with an actress named Louise Latham. I don't always remember names, but I definitely remember faces, so when I saw this broad, and they kept talking about what good friends she and Kate had been, I had no idea who they were talking about. They did this a lot- with Kate's friends, with the maid, with Buddy's friends, with Annie's friends... and then they would also bring back actors who had played significant roles but have them play brand new characters.

by Anonymousreply 216September 9, 2021 4:35 PM

Well, I'll give Nancy credit, she knows how to pick the good dick.

A young Tommy Lee Jones? Leap on that dick, henny!

by Anonymousreply 217September 9, 2021 7:42 PM

Put the backdrop back on the bed , Loretta.

by Anonymousreply 218September 9, 2021 10:32 PM

Annie herself played a different character in an earlier episode (prior to adoption).

by Anonymousreply 219September 10, 2021 12:28 AM

R213, I am guessing the car thing was to virtue signal the Lawrences as being of the genteel middle class. Doug had a small law practice, not a partner in some swanky LA Law type of firm which was why he drove that Maverick. Kate had the Pinto Squire wagon, and remember people were driving smaller cars then due to the gas shortages of the 70s. Willy had an old Mustang convertible. Nancy drove a BMW, and then later a Mercedes which must have been in her settlement from Jeff. It was needed to drop baby Timmy off at the McMartin Preschool, to go law school herself, and then to tool around Pasadena trolling for hot straight cock.

by Anonymousreply 220September 10, 2021 12:50 AM

There were always discussions about money on the show and not overextending one's budget, so they weren't THAT well off, middle-class genteel or not.

by Anonymousreply 221September 10, 2021 12:55 AM

Salina, darling, do you have change for a 20?

Since you're a whore I figured you have to make change for your johns and all, so......

by Anonymousreply 222September 10, 2021 2:08 AM

The older kids didn't have to pay rent when they lived in the guest house 🏠

by Anonymousreply 223September 10, 2021 2:31 AM

Did u guys see the episode “ When the Bough Breaks?” It’s in 5th season guest starring Dominique Dunne

by Anonymousreply 224September 10, 2021 5:04 AM

R220 and R213 those are simply stupid assumptions. The reason the Lawrences drove a Pinto and Mustang was because it was an Aaron Spelling production and he had a deal with Ford. Why do you think Sabrina drove a Pinto and Kelly drove a Mustang on CA?

by Anonymousreply 225September 10, 2021 5:13 AM

R225, interesting

by Anonymousreply 226September 10, 2021 5:28 AM

Dana Hill is bullying Annie on what seems to be the penultimate episode but was aired out of order. In this episode, Buddy is still waiting to hear from colleges, but in the prior episode, she had already gotten acceptance letters and was freaking out about leaving home.

by Anonymousreply 227September 10, 2021 6:09 AM

R225 Given the cars were seen so often they practically qualified as supporting players, I always assumed there was a special deal of some sort with Ford.

by Anonymousreply 228September 10, 2021 9:30 AM

What makes anyone think they're "upper" middle class, because the father is a lawyer? They're middle class.

by Anonymousreply 229September 10, 2021 11:59 AM

Apparently a lot of season 5 was made and aired out of order. They really disrespected the show at the end.

by Anonymousreply 230September 10, 2021 12:52 PM

R229 Because they were living in a UMC home in an UMC area.

by Anonymousreply 231September 10, 2021 2:56 PM

I'm Nancy Lawrence's vagina.

Even with four lanes, traffic is backed up for miles!

by Anonymousreply 232September 10, 2021 3:18 PM

That may be your view of yourself, Nancy/R232. But it's not the one I hold.

You're mine. I resent your low opinion of yourself.

by Anonymousreply 233September 10, 2021 4:26 PM

Something something something butter my biscuits.

Mmm! Biscuits!

by Anonymousreply 234September 10, 2021 4:29 PM

R221- They were affluent enough to have a maid.

by Anonymousreply 235September 10, 2021 4:38 PM

A shitty maid who seemed to be there once a week.

by Anonymousreply 236September 10, 2021 6:03 PM

Wasn't she a cleaning lady? My mother is lower middle-class and has a cleaning lady.

by Anonymousreply 237September 10, 2021 7:19 PM

I just finished Season 5. I thought the final episode was somewhat meh. Hardly a fitting end for such a beloved family. I shall miss The Lawrences. Well, maybe not Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 238September 10, 2021 7:20 PM

R237- If your mother is lower middle class and has a cleaning woman she is living pretty HIGH ON THE HOG.

by Anonymousreply 239September 10, 2021 7:23 PM

The Lawrences were Upper middle class as were the Brady Bunch- not only did they have a maid , she was a LIVE IN maid.

by Anonymousreply 240September 10, 2021 7:24 PM

You do kind of wonder how Doug and Kate were able to support all those kids on a small time lawyer's salary alone. On the one hand, they didn't have mortgage payments because the house was left to Doug. On the other hand, they were basically supporting two adult children along with their minor daughter and grandson. Once Nancy moved out, Annie took her place. They didn't have to pay for college for Willie, but they definitely paid for Nancy's college and likely her law school tuition.

Then Kate went back to school, so that was another tuition. And her salary as a high school teacher couldn't have kicked in all that much, especially with Buddy about to leave for college.

by Anonymousreply 241September 10, 2021 7:29 PM

[R229] Because they were living in a UMC home in an UMC area.

R231 Yeah, you're right, I just looked up the house. The neighborhood is definitely an upscale Pasadena neighborhood -- though the house is one of the smallest in the neighborhood, and the show toned the whole thing down a bit. This looks more like the Beverly Hills neighborhood of the Walshes on BH90210. If anyone wants to look it up, it's 1230 Milan Ave in South Pasadena.

by Anonymousreply 242September 10, 2021 7:38 PM

Just watched the ep with Doug's sister and I will cut a bitch who tries to come after Kate Lawrence!

by Anonymousreply 243September 10, 2021 7:56 PM

[quote]The neighborhood is definitely an upscale Pasadena neighborhood -

Pasadena and South Pasadena are different cities.

by Anonymousreply 244September 10, 2021 9:27 PM

South Pasadena is where the 'not rich rich' folks and some of the actual poors live. Yes a pretty nice house and grounds, and as R241 mentioned, was given to them by Doug's father. They certainly are not a flashy family, the cars were an indicator. Kate was not exactly wearing couture, but they didn't want for much, tickets to the opera, nice food, and the weekly cleaning lady. Nancy might have been living rent free in the guest house, but surely had child support for little Timmy as well as some kind of short term alimony from Jeff Maitland. John Rubenstein, who played Jeff, wrote the score for about a dozen episodes of the show..

by Anonymousreply 245September 10, 2021 9:55 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they actually lived in Pasadena, but the house for which exterior shots were used was in South Pasadena, which is irrelevant to the story. It could have been in Kansas or on a studio backlot.

by Anonymousreply 246September 10, 2021 11:25 PM

This town's not big enough for the two of us, Kate!

by Anonymousreply 247September 11, 2021 12:03 AM

The Lawrence house is valued at nearly $5 million today. Is that upper-middle or just plain rich?

by Anonymousreply 248September 11, 2021 12:10 AM

Annie sounded like she swallowed a sock.

by Anonymousreply 249September 11, 2021 1:34 AM

[quote]This is one of the things that bugged me about Family the most- their cavalier way of recasting

I just saw the episode where Buddy's friend Laura who moved to Detroit comes back as an alcoholic. But instead of being played by Kim Richards as she was originally Laura was played by some other actress who I don't even know. Was I disappointed!

by Anonymousreply 250September 11, 2021 4:05 AM

R250- The Golden Girls was TERRIBLE about this. No show was worse about changing the actors/actresses who played a character than GG.

by Anonymousreply 251September 11, 2021 1:06 PM

As others have pointed out- Doug's father was played by at least THREE actors and Mrs. Hanley was played by THREE or FOUR actresses.

HURTIN- especially about Doug's father.

by Anonymousreply 252September 11, 2021 1:07 PM

[quote] Just watched the ep with Doug's sister and I will cut a bitch who tries to come after Kate Lawrence!

When she read Kate for filth and called her the "farmer's daughter" I was like NO BITCH NO!

by Anonymousreply 253September 11, 2021 1:09 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Sada Thompson was a poor man's Maureen Stapleton.

by Anonymousreply 254September 11, 2021 3:37 PM

Love me some Sada. Don't nobody talk bad about Miss Sada!

by Anonymousreply 255September 11, 2021 7:01 PM

r55, are you talking about the Sada Massa kissed?

by Anonymousreply 256September 11, 2021 7:30 PM

One critic said the show should be subtitled "Mrs. Stoneface tries to get an expression." Sada really did have a face made for the theater but since she didn't move it much, it was more TV/film technique.

by Anonymousreply 257September 11, 2021 7:35 PM

R257 I'd love to see that review!

I mean, especially since you've shared it here a few times now

by Anonymousreply 258September 11, 2021 7:50 PM

I feel like Doug's father would have been a natural addition to the cast in the 5th season, moving back to Pasadena, living in that hotel. He could have made appearances the way Nancy did, and if would have given Henry Fonda a nice gig towards the end of his life, and a shot in the arm to the series. Fonda was wonderful in his guest shot, and he clearly had a ton of chemistry with all the cast.

by Anonymousreply 259September 11, 2021 8:47 PM

Hard to imagine Fonda agreeing to a regular role on an hour-long TV series given his stature and age. He was no Fyvush Finkel.

by Anonymousreply 260September 11, 2021 9:08 PM

That's why I said recurring. MBB did fewer than half the episodes of the final season, and in some of those she was maybe in one scene.

by Anonymousreply 261September 11, 2021 9:13 PM

A few years before, Fonda starred in his own (flop) TV show (and a decade before that he starred in another short-lived program), so I don't think recurring status on a prestigious show like Family would have been beneath him.

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by Anonymousreply 262September 11, 2021 9:33 PM

Please. He was in The Swarm, The Visitor and Tentacles. NOTHING was beneath him.

by Anonymousreply 263September 11, 2021 9:38 PM

Happy 59th birthday to Kristy McNichol today! (Sept.11)

by Anonymousreply 264September 12, 2021 5:10 AM

"That may be your view of yourself, Nancy/[R232]. But it's not the one I hold. You're mine. I resent your low opinion of yourself."

Just reading that has me tearing up....

by Anonymousreply 265September 12, 2021 12:16 PM

The Smith Family was a terrible show. The Deputy. Fonda's other show, didn't require him to be in the show every week. He played the marshal, not the deputy, and was only in about a third of the episodes, sometimes for only a brief scene or two.

by Anonymousreply 266September 12, 2021 1:32 PM

Kristy became friends with Dominique Dunne after Dunne guest starred on last season . She was very upset when Dunne was murdered . Dominique said that Kristy was her favorite actress of her generation.

by Anonymousreply 267September 12, 2021 3:47 PM

Turns out there's a whole crew of people devoted to turning out floor plans of TV show houses. Anyone come across one for Family?

by Anonymousreply 268September 12, 2021 4:15 PM

[]quote]Please. He was in The Swarm, The Visitor and Tentacles. NOTHING was beneath him.

Let's not forget his memorable series of commercials for GAF. Here he is with Jodie Foster.

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by Anonymousreply 269September 12, 2021 4:20 PM

R267 Link please, or it's total BS

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by Anonymousreply 271September 13, 2021 2:10 PM

Interesting. "Tizzy Lish" isn't just a cutesy nickname. It's from an old radio show.

One of the writers must have heard this name or the show.

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by Anonymousreply 272September 13, 2021 2:12 PM

I just saw the episode where Willy's boss Nora gives him a promotion out of sexual interest. I was positive that Nora was a young Joan Collins, she had those wide set eyes and same manner of speaking. But it turned out to be Samantha Eggar.

by Anonymousreply 273September 13, 2021 11:38 PM

Would all these woman in real life be so hot for Willie? He's pretty plain looking and his personality leaves a lot to be desired.

by Anonymousreply 274September 13, 2021 11:53 PM

No way. Willie was gross. He looked like he didn't bathe and he had terrible hair and a chicken chest.

by Anonymousreply 275September 13, 2021 11:58 PM

[quote]I just saw the episode where Willy's boss Nora gives him a promotion out of sexual interest. I was positive that Nora was a young Joan Collins, she had those wide set eyes and same manner of speaking.

By the time "Family" was on the air, Joan Collins' days of being "young" were already far behind her.

by Anonymousreply 276September 14, 2021 12:08 AM

So were Samantha Eggar's

by Anonymousreply 277September 14, 2021 12:34 AM

R275: And gross, long finger nails. He never wore a belt and had a flat ass.

by Anonymousreply 278September 14, 2021 1:34 AM

Willie was a cougar cub before "cougars" were officially a thing.

by Anonymousreply 279September 14, 2021 2:36 AM

Why single out Willie? Nearly the entire cast of characters had relationships that were, shall we say, "unlikely."

Buddy had Leif Garrett and Willie Aames hot for her bod.

Doug had a rival lawyer (Linda Lavin) hounding him for sex.

Even Kate attracted Michael J. Fox who was maybe 20 and looked 12!

Nancy was the only one whose romantic escapades seemed plausible.

by Anonymousreply 280September 14, 2021 7:36 AM

Don't forget Annie, who had the middle school's quarterback after her (even though he looked more like a bleach blond surfer) even though six episodes later it was established that she was a nerd and an outcast who everyone in her school hated and made fun of.

by Anonymousreply 281September 14, 2021 7:40 AM

I thought Willie dropped out of college, but he's 17.

Is he a HS dropout? I'm in the episode where he's thinking of taking on Selina and her unborn child. This house is going to be full of babies and young people if Kate and Doug don't put their foot down now!

by Anonymousreply 282September 14, 2021 2:18 PM


That's another thing. Most people have flat asses, unless you live in Brazil, and this is something we accepted in the 70s.

Unrealistic expectations=unhappiness.

by Anonymousreply 283September 14, 2021 2:37 PM

Yes, Willie dropped out of high school at age 16.

by Anonymousreply 284September 14, 2021 5:03 PM

Willie dropped out of high school and he still confuses Pasadena with South Pasadena.

by Anonymousreply 285September 14, 2021 11:38 PM

Little Willie, Willie won't leave home

But you can't push Willie 'round, Willie won't go

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by Anonymousreply 286September 15, 2021 7:40 AM

What foxy lady *wouldn't* fall like a ton of bricks for a frizzy-haired high school dropout and perpetual snacker who still lives with his parents?

by Anonymousreply 287September 15, 2021 9:09 AM

Just finished “Best Friends” from season 2. Nancy hooks up with her high school sweetheart, who she jilted by marrying Jeff, but he turns out to be a speed freak. They try to rekindle the relationship but it doesn’t work. Buddy and her lesbian friend Audrey are still bumping pussies on their Friday night sleepovers. And Nancy’s kid Timmy still looks retarded.

by Anonymousreply 288September 15, 2021 11:52 PM

Why didn't Kate get her teeth whitened?

They're really atrocious in some of the close-ups—almost hillbilly grade.

Was tooth whitening not possible in 1977?

by Anonymousreply 289September 16, 2021 8:39 AM

Teeth whitening wasn’t a thing until the nineties. Most actors had tobacco stained teeth through the eighties.

by Anonymousreply 290September 16, 2021 10:11 AM

[quote]Most actors had tobacco stained teeth through the eighties.

Coffee also stains teeth. But people also just have natural tooth coloring that isn't blazing white. People weren't obsessed about freakishly white teeth then. Shaming people about their natural tooth color is another way commercial interests have gotten people to spend millions on something they don't need.

by Anonymousreply 291September 16, 2021 12:28 PM

R291 Exactly. Most people have teeth that match their complexion as well. The bright white teeth always stand out to me as not normal. Friends actually did a funny episode where Ross overdid it and they glowed in the dark.

by Anonymousreply 292September 16, 2021 12:57 PM

I just watched the episode where 30 year old Nancy steals and fucks Buddy's 21 year old crush. She doesn't even feel particularly bad about it. It's AJ from Simon and Simon! Nancy really is an asshole.

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by Anonymousreply 293September 16, 2021 7:44 PM

Nancy couldn't resist shitting where she ate.

She also dated a writing mentor of Willie's (played by studly David Selby) and complicated things between them.

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by Anonymousreply 294September 16, 2021 7:56 PM

Sheesh, I didn't remember that old Nance couldn't put that thing away for even five minutes.

by Anonymousreply 295September 16, 2021 8:11 PM

She needed a man in her bed, baby!

by Anonymousreply 296September 16, 2021 8:20 PM

Nancy was a real cunt.

by Anonymousreply 297September 16, 2021 8:43 PM

When Nancy was born and the doctor spanked her, she batted her eyes at him and said "at least buy me a drink first, big boy".

by Anonymousreply 298September 16, 2021 9:25 PM

Ha ha 😂

by Anonymousreply 299September 17, 2021 12:26 AM

Remember the episode when Kate was pregnant with the post-menopausal fetus and the family went to Red Lobster for dinner and she had miscarriage after eating the hush puppies ?

by Anonymousreply 300September 17, 2021 1:19 AM

[quote]I just saw the episode where Buddy's friend Laura who moved to Detroit comes back as an alcoholic. But instead of being played by Kim Richards as she was originally Laura was played by some other actress who I don't even know. Was I disappointed!

As someone upthread pointed out, they didn't even try to keep the same actors for characters who were only seen a few times. But what can you expect with three different Nancys?

by Anonymousreply 301September 17, 2021 1:23 AM

You can expect trouble.

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by Anonymousreply 302September 17, 2021 1:37 AM

So nice to see Jameson Parker mentioned above. Not only very handsome, but very charming to boot. Coincidentally, I just saw him yesterday in THE BELL JAR (available on YT), a relic from the 70s, in which he is not only a loving boyfriend to our neurotic leading lady, but strips down in a carefully lit nude scene (but his dimpled buttocks get their day in the sun).

by Anonymousreply 303September 17, 2021 3:49 AM

[quote] She needed a man in her bed, baby!

She went from cock slut to stinkfish only!

by Anonymousreply 304September 17, 2021 11:04 PM

Me Saw-Dah, you - Saw-Dah, us - Saw-Dah, them - Saw-Dah

by Anonymousreply 305September 17, 2021 11:08 PM

[quote]where 30 year old Nancy steals and fucks Buddy's 21 year old crush. She doesn't even feel particularly bad about it.

That was an episode of "One Day A Time," where Julie slut-steals, BJ and The Bear from Barbara and Fried Egg Titties points out, if Barbara really had him, she wouldn't have lost him.

by Anonymousreply 306September 17, 2021 11:11 PM

R304, is a flaming F He resents women

by Anonymousreply 307September 17, 2021 11:11 PM

[quote]No way. Willie was gross. He looked like he didn't bathe and he had terrible hair and a chicken chest.

That describes Lindsey Buckingham as well.

by Anonymousreply 308September 17, 2021 11:14 PM

R307 doesn't recognize long running DL jokes, and eats huge piles of shit.

by Anonymousreply 309September 17, 2021 11:15 PM

Pasadena is for people who say, "I Have the AIDS."

South Pasadena is for people who say "I Have AIDS."

by Anonymousreply 310September 17, 2021 11:22 PM

R310, did Kate say that Buddy in the last episode or am I misremembering?

by Anonymousreply 311September 17, 2021 11:31 PM

Sada was supposed to be "Irene Lorenzo" on "All In The Family," but Carroll O'Connor was side fucking Betty Garrett so that was that,

by Anonymousreply 312September 17, 2021 11:48 PM

[quote]Kristy became friends with Dominique Dunne after Dunne guest starred on last season

Friends? Yeah I just bet she was friendly with her.

by Anonymousreply 313September 17, 2021 11:49 PM

R13, said Kristy was her favorite actress 🤔

by Anonymousreply 314September 18, 2021 12:00 AM

Dominique said

by Anonymousreply 315September 18, 2021 12:00 AM

[quote] That describes Lindsey Buckingham as well.

Not since Tusk, hon.

by Anonymousreply 316September 18, 2021 2:07 AM


He still looks like he hasn't bathed since then.

by Anonymousreply 317September 18, 2021 2:18 PM

I don't know why but I consider Nancy a boring character and Meredith a terrible actress. She made it on her looks, and those seem dated, as well.

by Anonymousreply 318September 18, 2021 5:02 PM

*And her mom's and stepdad's connections, probably.

by Anonymousreply 319September 18, 2021 5:04 PM

I think she got better with age R318. But I do know what you mean, there are times where she just kind of has a blank stare at a pivotal moment and you wonder if she's a crap actress or is it just Nancy being her typical self centered asshole self?

by Anonymousreply 320September 18, 2021 7:08 PM

I think she got better with age [R318].

R320 Not in comedy. She was funny as a stick on Family Ties. And never able to throw away a line.

by Anonymousreply 321September 18, 2021 7:56 PM

[quote] She was funny as a stick on Family Ties.

she wasn't even as funny as a rock. she was on par with Tina Yothers.

by Anonymousreply 322September 18, 2021 8:04 PM

R322 And in whose universe was Meredith Baxter-Birney an aging hippie?

by Anonymousreply 323September 18, 2021 8:20 PM

R320 You weren't supposed to like Nancy. And in that sense MBB played her exactly right.

by Anonymousreply 324September 18, 2021 8:23 PM

Elyse Keaton was funny when she did that commercial with Sir Penguin.

by Anonymousreply 325September 18, 2021 8:57 PM

[quote]You weren't supposed to like Nancy. And in that sense MBB played her exactly right.

I didn't like MBB in anything, though. At least she was consistent.

by Anonymousreply 326September 18, 2021 9:06 PM

I thought MBB was good on Family Ties. I watched a few episodes recently after not having seen it in years and I still find it funny. The scene where Elyse is giddy with excitement upon learning she's pregnant and sends an object flying across the room which narrowly misses Skippy's head is hilarious.

But she does seem rather affectless on Family.

by Anonymousreply 327September 18, 2021 10:03 PM

Me Saw Dah

by Anonymousreply 328September 19, 2021 2:09 PM

[quote] Me Saw Dah

Fuck Off Ah

by Anonymousreply 329September 19, 2021 2:15 PM

[quote]I thought MBB was good on Family Ties. I watched a few episodes recently after not having seen it in years and I still find it funny. The scene where Elyse is giddy with excitement upon learning she's pregnant and sends an object flying across the room which narrowly misses Skippy's head

I don't think she was essentially a comedienne. Her battles with the show for reducing her screen time in favor of MJF's are well known. Yet she couldn't have generated interest or laughs, herself, on that show, sufficient to make it a hit without the presence of MJF. Lucille Ball or Mary Tyler Moore she ain't.

by Anonymousreply 330September 19, 2021 2:20 PM

MBB is the OG Betty Broderick though.

by Anonymousreply 331September 19, 2021 2:31 PM

I enjoyed Family Ties while growing up, but revisiting it as an adult...nah.

by Anonymousreply 332September 19, 2021 2:31 PM

[quote] Michael Gross was oddly hot, though.

Meredith's TV husbands - John Rubinstein and Michael Gross - were both kinda hot in a dorky way in their day. Both had weird hair, though.

by Anonymousreply 333September 19, 2021 2:35 PM


You - Saw Dah

by Anonymousreply 334September 19, 2021 2:36 PM

R333 Didn't I read somewhere he and MBB were born on the exact same day (same year)?

by Anonymousreply 335September 19, 2021 2:57 PM

I met her MMB in early 2000’s in Studio City . She was super nice and approachable.

by Anonymousreply 336September 19, 2021 3:14 PM

R333 and let's not forget hot hairy but unfortunately creepy pedi Stephen Collins as Dan Broderick.

by Anonymousreply 337September 19, 2021 4:03 PM

MBB/MB had some kind of beef with Wendy Williams

There was a whole big thread here about it which involved a block of frozen soup that Meredith liked. 👍

by Anonymousreply 338September 19, 2021 4:13 PM

R338 Thanks for that fascinating story.

by Anonymousreply 339September 19, 2021 4:17 PM

r335 I don't know. Did you?

by Anonymousreply 340September 19, 2021 5:38 PM

The thread with Meredith and that talentless piece of shit Wendy W

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by Anonymousreply 341September 19, 2021 5:40 PM

Just saw an episode that had two, two, TWO high octane guest stars!

Julie the Cruise Director was Willie's love interest


Tovah Feldshuh (!) was Kate's illegitimate daughter....or was she?

by Anonymousreply 342September 21, 2021 1:43 AM

The whole thing with Elaine's daughter was a bit weird. Clearly they didn't think out the timelines well.

Kate and Elaine talked about it being 20 years ago, but both Sada and Priscilla Morrill were 50, and Priscilla LOOKED 60. Their characters weren't really all that much younger, maybe 5 years. so they should have at least had the daughter be 25 or older.

by Anonymousreply 343September 21, 2021 5:58 PM

Vulva Toadstool was on Family?

by Anonymousreply 344September 24, 2021 6:25 PM

R344 and she was pretty terrible. She overacted. Badly.

by Anonymousreply 345September 24, 2021 6:54 PM

Nancy was a ratchet ho!

When she was entertaining a marriage proposal from the hot bearded professor, she ditched him to ride the dick of a random construction worker played by Tommy Lee Jones, leaving Kate and Doug to babysit Timmy into the wee hours.

Tacky bitch!

by Anonymousreply 346September 27, 2021 6:55 AM

Tommy Lee looked hot as fuck in that episode. I'd want to ride that ride, too.

by Anonymousreply 347September 27, 2021 2:04 PM

Michael J Fox tried to hook up with Sada in one episode.

by Anonymousreply 348September 29, 2021 5:00 PM

r347=Al Gore

by Anonymousreply 349September 29, 2021 5:40 PM

I would think r348 was kidding if I hadn't seen the episode myself.

by Anonymousreply 350September 29, 2021 10:58 PM

Their chemistry was undeniable. Doug’s face says it all.

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by Anonymousreply 351September 29, 2021 11:21 PM

MJ Fox deserved an Emmy

by Anonymousreply 352September 30, 2021 12:00 AM

"Michael J Fox tried to hook up with Sada in one episode."

And it is charming. Their penultimate scene is hilarious and wonderfully written.

by Anonymousreply 353October 1, 2021 1:26 AM

I'm afraid to see this Sada/MJF thing. I'll never be able to stop laughing

by Anonymousreply 354October 1, 2021 7:16 PM


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by Anonymousreply 355October 1, 2021 7:24 PM

Joseph Bottoms was hot AF in his episode as a sociopathic ex-friend of Willie's who charms Buddy into unwittingly helping him steal from the Lawrences.

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by Anonymousreply 356October 1, 2021 7:25 PM

R356 love me some Joseph. He showed some great naked ass in one of DL fave Tanya Roberts soft core porn films from 1991 Inner Sanctum.

by Anonymousreply 357October 1, 2021 11:14 PM

It's poignant to watch the episodes where Kate and Doug are celebrating their 27th wedding anniversary and looking forward to many more, and when they're celebrating Kate's 49th birthday and Doug is pledging to love her at 79 and 109, while in reality, James Broderick would be dead in four years, at age 55.

by Anonymousreply 358October 2, 2021 7:53 AM

Had Sada ever received sodomy?

by Anonymousreply 359October 2, 2021 8:04 AM

Kate was an early anal MILF. The clues are everywhere throughout the series.

by Anonymousreply 360October 2, 2021 8:07 AM

Shirley Knight might have been a better choice for Kate.

She would have brought more warmth. And she would have been believable as the mother of blond Willie and Nancy.

I wonder if she was considered. Shirley in 1977:

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by Anonymousreply 361October 2, 2021 8:13 AM

Nancy wasn't blonde when the show was being cast, though.

by Anonymousreply 362October 2, 2021 12:30 PM

261 Probably not, since she was only 11 years older than Meredith Baxter.

by Anonymousreply 363October 2, 2021 12:55 PM

--and 14 years older than Gary Frank.

by Anonymousreply 364October 2, 2021 12:59 PM

Meredith is only 14 years older than Michael J. Fox.

by Anonymousreply 365October 2, 2021 1:03 PM

There's no evidence Shirley Knight was ever considered for the role, and she was too young for it anyway, so I don't even get why it matters. Everyone would have said she and Meredith looked more like sisters than mother and daughter. Meredith's own mother, Whitney Blake, was 10 years older than Shirley Knight.

by Anonymousreply 366October 2, 2021 1:25 PM

R366 totally agree. I love Knight, but Thompson brought a steely take to the role instead of the usual warm loving mother tripe found on countless other shows.

by Anonymousreply 367October 2, 2021 1:53 PM

Meredith was not Nancy when they cast the role of Kate; she replaced Elayne Heilveil after the first season of six episodes. They wouldn't have cast the mother based on Meredith's age or looks, but on Elayne's, and Sada and Elayne did resemble one another.

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by Anonymousreply 368October 2, 2021 1:54 PM

A decade in Woman Years is significant time.

by Anonymousreply 369October 2, 2021 2:31 PM

Sada looked a bit younger in season one when she had longer hair. In Season 2 she said "Fuck all y'all bitches" and cut her hair shorter.

by Anonymousreply 370October 2, 2021 6:38 PM

You can tell Aaron Spelling produced this show just by the fact that he fired Elayne Heilvill and replaced her with hot piece, MBB.

by Anonymousreply 371October 2, 2021 8:51 PM

[quote] Meredith Baxter Birney

Qui etait cette cunt?

by Anonymousreply 372October 2, 2021 9:07 PM

It was Fred Silverman who wanted Elayne gone. And he was right; she sucked.

It seems like the producers realized it too. In the first season, Nancy was barely evident after the pilot.

by Anonymousreply 373October 2, 2021 9:14 PM

Elayne wasn't dreadful but she didn't stand out. The dramatic tension was much stronger with MBB than it was originally.

by Anonymousreply 374October 2, 2021 9:47 PM

There were two episodes that had a supernatural theme, that I recall: the one with David Birney as a psychic (or is he?!?) and the one with Kate having a terrifying precognitive dream (or is it?!?). If I recall correctly, Birney turned out to be phony but the dream was real.

Both episodes weren't so much bad as misplaced. The Lawrence world was usually a very realistic one for the era, so to suddenly seriously present ESP, etc. as being real felt false to the premise of the show. They felt more like Fantasy Island episodes than like Family.

by Anonymousreply 375October 3, 2021 2:31 PM

R375 I thought it fit because that era of the 70s had so much of that sort of self-help awareness, or people trying to explore other layers of consciousness. It felt very 70s in a way that would just seem very limited in terms of appeal (e.g. new age) today. Back then the hip suburban key party types would read Asimov or Eckardt Tolle (or whoever it was like that) before drunkenness and fucking.

by Anonymousreply 376October 3, 2021 7:56 PM

David Birney only played a headmaster who was dating Nancy. He was accused of sexual molestation by one of his students in revenge for him breaking up with her mother. He never played a psychic on Family, nor do I believe there was ever an episode with such a storyline.

by Anonymousreply 377October 3, 2021 8:39 PM

There was an episode with that storyline.

It was David Dukes who played the psychic.

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by Anonymousreply 378October 3, 2021 8:52 PM

My bad. Got my Davids confused.

by Anonymousreply 379October 3, 2021 9:58 PM

And the preternaturally sexy David Dukes was superb in the heartbreaking episode, as was Sada.

by Anonymousreply 380October 4, 2021 2:25 AM

I love MBBs dyke makeover with the haircut, sun damage, and suit with big butterfly collar.

by Anonymousreply 381October 4, 2021 3:35 AM

The show is unclear on Doug's legal specialty.

Isn't it initially established he's a tax lawyer? In one episode, he agrees to represent the mother of Buddy's friend Audrey in her divorce, despite having "little experience in that area."

But two melodramatic episodes hinge on Doug's previous divorce cases: One where the actress whose divorce he handled comes back to hop on his cock, and one where a man who blames Doug for the loss of his visitation rights stalks the Lawrences and provokes a shootout in the living room (!).

by Anonymousreply 382October 4, 2021 6:16 AM

There was also an episode where he did patent law. (The one with Linda Lavin.)

by Anonymousreply 383October 4, 2021 6:27 AM

R383, was that the episode where Lavin went to court over the rights to the lyrics of the theme song to the tv series Alice. And the whole case hinged on whether scatting counted as lyrics or melody?

by Anonymousreply 384October 4, 2021 3:45 PM

I've been wanting to thank OP for starting these threads. I watched the whole show from start to finish over the past month or so, and it was such a comfort to me during a really rough patch in my life. Cheers, OP.

by Anonymousreply 385October 4, 2021 6:37 PM

R384 I SO wanted to be cast as the judge in that episode and have that cunt Linda sent to a really rough women's prison for a long time!

by Anonymousreply 386October 4, 2021 6:39 PM

"I watched the whole show from start to finish over the past month or so, and it was such a comfort to me during a really rough patch in my life"

You echo my sentiments wholeheartedly, r385. Thank you for expressing them in such a lovely way.

by Anonymousreply 387October 4, 2021 7:20 PM

Wasn't there a B plot in one episode where Kate kept referring to her debilitating case of piles and Willie told her to call them what they really were: hemorrhoids, and Kate just walked right out of the kitchen without saying a word.

by Anonymousreply 388October 4, 2021 7:26 PM


Even at that age, Kristy had caneface

by Anonymousreply 389October 4, 2021 7:42 PM

[quote]Shirley Knight might have been a better choice for Kate.

I would been much better of a choice

by Anonymousreply 390October 4, 2021 7:43 PM

[quote]who charms Buddy into unwittingly helping him steal from the Lawrences.

Didn't Jo do the same thing with Tootie and Natalie when buying Mrs G a blouse?

by Anonymousreply 391October 4, 2021 7:43 PM

Reading the recently published Elaine Stritch biography, I was surprised to discover that Sada Thompson was considered for the role of Joanne in Company before they decided on Elaine.

by Anonymousreply 392October 4, 2021 7:49 PM

[quote] I was surprised to discover that Sada Thompson was considered for the role of Joanne in Company before they decided on Elaine.

I would have fucked her if I'd played Bobby!

by Anonymousreply 393October 4, 2021 7:58 PM

Bitchy Kate strikes again: early episode in season 4 where Nancy is FINALLY moving out of the guest house. She gets into an argument with Doug and Kate and tells them: “Save the For Rent section in tomorrow’s paper so I can find an apartment”. Kate, cold as ice, replies, “I’ll save the entire newspaper so you wrap all of your China!”. Snap, Kate reads that ingrate daughter to filth once again.

by Anonymousreply 394October 5, 2021 1:01 AM

I'm convinced that Lil Buddy became a bulldyke because Kate gave her the nickname "LezzyTish".

What in this world!!!!!!???? Who would call (an already masculine young gal) a LezzyTish??

That BITCH, Sada Thompson, that's who!

by Anonymousreply 395October 5, 2021 1:11 AM

Kristy was super cute . She has a soft demeanor. Not a butch

by Anonymousreply 396October 5, 2021 1:22 AM

She called her TizzyLish, you dope.

by Anonymousreply 397October 5, 2021 3:20 AM

It's interesting how Kristy's sexuality was called into question by the Helen Cunt character during the Blair Brown episode. Apparently the writers knew Kristy was a dyke before she did.

by Anonymousreply 398October 5, 2021 4:14 AM

R398, Kristy was traumatized over it . Poor thing

by Anonymousreply 399October 5, 2021 5:54 AM

And Helen knows a lesbian when she sees one!

by Anonymousreply 400October 5, 2021 9:41 AM

Sada Thompson's short haircut in seasons 4 and 5 did her no favors.

The longer poofy hair of the first seasons drew attention away from her multiple chins and ever-increasing girth.

by Anonymousreply 401October 5, 2021 10:12 AM

Not to mention those 1950s matronly dresses they always put her in.

by Anonymousreply 402October 5, 2021 1:36 PM

We’re Kristy, MBB, and sada all fucking?

by Anonymousreply 403October 5, 2021 2:44 PM

No. Lesbians aren't as slutty as gay men.

by Anonymousreply 404October 5, 2021 2:47 PM

[quote]Kristy was super cute . She has a soft demeanor. Not a butch

No, even then she had caneface

by Anonymousreply 405October 6, 2021 5:23 PM

What’s caneface, exactly?

by Anonymousreply 406October 6, 2021 5:44 PM

Caneface = Ann B Davis or Meredith Baxter-Lesbian (but only after she turned lez)

Canevoice = Jodie Foster and Helen Hunt (both say yesh)

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by Anonymousreply 407October 6, 2021 9:00 PM

Yeah but why is it called Caneface?

by Anonymousreply 408October 7, 2021 4:22 AM

Because this is DL, where every lesbian is assigned a cane, a key carabiner, a rescue pit bull, and a pair of Oakleys upon coming out.

by Anonymousreply 409October 7, 2021 5:42 AM

Don't forget the Subaru and the nutloaf, R409.

by Anonymousreply 410October 7, 2021 1:29 PM

R394 Kate Lawrence is a fucking legend.

Read that ungrateful bitch for filth, Kate!

by Anonymousreply 411October 7, 2021 5:40 PM

Did you guys see the episode “when the bough breaks?” I believe it’s the fifth season . It’s where mom Is pregnant and contemplating an abortion. Dominique Dunne plays a friend of Buddy’s who tries to seduce Willie? Dominique was great in this . So alluring

by Anonymousreply 412October 7, 2021 5:50 PM

I think Dominique has been mentioned approximately 987,463,245,173,853 times, so yes, we're well aware Ms. Dunne was in an episode.

by Anonymousreply 413October 7, 2021 6:09 PM

Was it before or after Dominique's death?

by Anonymousreply 414October 7, 2021 8:36 PM

R414, 2 years before

by Anonymousreply 415October 8, 2021 1:05 AM

us - saw - dah

by Anonymousreply 416October 11, 2021 6:29 PM

Are we really saying goodbye to the Family thread after two editions?

Sada it ain't so!

by Anonymousreply 417October 17, 2021 6:52 PM

R401- It distracted one from her ever increasing PLUMPISHNESS.

by Anonymousreply 418October 17, 2021 6:59 PM

I've just finished the first season on Tubi. I think I re-watched some of it on YouTube many years ago. I'd forgotten how much I liked it and the main reason was Sada Thompson. She's a great combination of snarky, sarcastic, funny and loving. I'm just about to start the episodes with MBB. Can't wait to see her scowling bitchiness.

by Anonymousreply 419October 17, 2021 9:18 PM

Kate invited her husband's former sidepiece to dinner. Who does that?

by Anonymousreply 420October 24, 2021 11:53 PM

Family is a lesbian cult favorite.

by Anonymousreply 421October 24, 2021 11:56 PM

I want someone to lick my Tizzy-Lish!!!!

by Anonymousreply 422October 25, 2021 12:17 AM

I'm watching season 2, episode 2, "Such Sweet Sorrow." The one where Salina Magee comes back in town to stir up Willie's loins.

When Salina shows up at the house, Kate is wearing a totally sheer shirt and you can see her white bra straps/girdle underneath!

Is this some sort of error introduced by HD upscaling? Or was this acceptable fashion for matrons in 1976? I thought the camisole under a sheer shirt thing didn't happen until the '90s.

Or was Kate a horny exhibitionist MILF seeking kink?

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by Anonymousreply 423October 25, 2021 8:23 AM

Why is there no picture of Timmy #1 prominently displayed on the piano? I guess it would get in the way of the opening credits but I can't imagine a family would relegate a dead child to the background like that.

by Anonymousreply 424October 25, 2021 8:46 AM

Timmy didn't like piano music.

by Anonymousreply 425October 25, 2021 12:05 PM

Just finished season 3. It was a strong finish, with the final two episodes being about Kate locked in a battle of wills with professor William Daniels and then Dinah Manoff as an artistic free spirit who Buddy treats like shit because staying friends with her could threaten her popularity. Interesting to see them together pre-Empty Nest.

Extra bonus: No Nancy in either episode.

by Anonymousreply 426October 25, 2021 12:56 PM

Life goes on. And so do we. Just how we do it is no mystery.

by Anonymousreply 427October 25, 2021 3:10 PM

R422 hon, no one has SEEN your Tizzy Lish for years!

Doug needs a woman like ME!

by Anonymousreply 428October 25, 2021 5:01 PM

Damn, if that baker chick who Willie drops in r423's episode doesn't look like young Joan Crawford in BABY JANE!

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by Anonymousreply 429October 26, 2021 1:45 AM

This was an intelligent show but I found it boring, or on the boring side. Recently watched an episode because of this thread and didn't change my mind. My family had a much better sense of humor, and were livelier. We had fun, and my parents were warmer. I can't picture Sada taking the kids to an amusement park when they were younger, or being a Cub Scout den mother, or something. She's so dour. Parents like Sada, who I knew as a child (parents of friends) were usually drinkers. And thought they were better than everybody.

by Anonymousreply 430October 26, 2021 1:57 PM

Watching Family was like watching paint dry.

by Anonymousreply 431October 26, 2021 2:14 PM

Sada was a very accomplished stage actress. Her resume is impressive.

by Anonymousreply 432October 26, 2021 2:24 PM

Nancy yelling at the poor cute young man that likes her.

Whatta man hating cunt!

by Anonymousreply 433November 2, 2021 12:01 AM

I do have to LOL at Meredith's story in her book at how awkward she was during her first scenes.

James Broderick pointed up to the rafters and said, "That's where we keep all the old Nancys."

by Anonymousreply 434November 2, 2021 10:11 PM

Well, R430, perhaps you should create a show about your amusing amusement park attending family then. Do tell us how lively and cheerful your mother was being a den mother for a bunch of prepubescent closeted gay boys. And how she was so cheerful, driving her clan all over creation in her station wagon without the thought of a Manhattan or four awaiting her as a reward at the end of her day?

Please, please tell THAT story, dear.

by Anonymousreply 435November 3, 2021 2:29 AM

[quote] Please, please tell THAT story, dear.

"Oh no! All my dresses have shrunk AGAIN!"

by Anonymousreply 436November 3, 2021 3:33 PM

[quote] I do have to LOL at Meredith's story in her book at how awkward she was during her first scenes. James Broderick pointed up to the rafters and said, "That's where we keep all the old Nancys."

I don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 437November 4, 2021 2:50 PM

A more appropriate end to the show would have been for the family to die of carbon monoxide poisoning from a faulty furnace at Christmas time.

by Anonymousreply 438November 4, 2021 3:58 PM

[quote]I do have to LOL at Meredith's story in her book at how awkward she was during her first scenes. James Broderick pointed up to the rafters and said, "That's where we keep all the old Nancys."

[quote]I don't get it.

Meredith was a replacement for the first actress who played Nancy.

by Anonymousreply 439November 4, 2021 5:21 PM

R439, I believe there was also a second actress before MBB whose episodes never aired.

by Anonymousreply 440November 4, 2021 6:03 PM

]quote]Meredith was a replacement for the first actress who played Nancy.

Yeah I know., The part I didn't get was why he said they kept them in the rafters. Or why that would make her any less nervous. Sorry. lol

by Anonymousreply 441November 4, 2021 9:51 PM

R441 The rafters thing was a joke. The notion that they were unseen, but nearby in case they were needed. If it WAS a tactic to make her at ease, it wasn't the best way to do it.

Tom Bosley used to make a similar joke on the set of Happy Days. If the attic was ever mentioned, he'd adlib "Lemme know if you see Chuck up there!" And of course they'd have to take the scene again. For those who don't know, Chuck was the eldest son in the first two seasons. He was played by two different actors, and by season three he was gone.

by Anonymousreply 442November 8, 2021 6:33 AM

Just watched the lez episode.

Quite a roster. Joyce Van Patten as the Anita Bryant. Helen Hunt as her daughter. And Blair Brown as the lez teacher!

by Anonymousreply 443November 29, 2021 3:52 AM

Joyce and Helen are total CUNTS in the lez ep! And Kate pretty much knew Blair wanted to scissor with Buddy, but needed to wait till she was more or less legal age.

by Anonymousreply 444December 1, 2021 3:45 PM

I actually was a little disappointed in how they worded some of this - the episode with Hot Zeke coming out was better done.

However I am guessing this was also an attempt to do the story of the Briggs Initiative or whatever that was in CA to ban gay teachers.

I thought they were going to imply Buddy was or could possible eventually be a lez stronger than they did.

by Anonymousreply 445December 1, 2021 3:52 PM

[quote] The rafters thing was a joke. The notion that they were unseen, but nearby in case they were needed. If it WAS a tactic to make her at ease, it wasn't the best way to do it.

Well, not quite. It was more "this role has already claimed a few victims." And she ended up being fine, of course, but actors do have a bit of gallows humor about them, as I'm sure James Broderick did.

by Anonymousreply 446December 1, 2021 3:55 PM

Is there a Christmas episode on Tubi? If so, can you please tell me the season and episode.

by Anonymousreply 447December 1, 2021 4:25 PM

R447 I think it's season 2 but am not sure. One of the Christmas episodes features Doug's father, I think.

by Anonymousreply 448December 1, 2021 4:33 PM

R448, Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 449December 1, 2021 4:41 PM

There's also a Christmas ep where Baby Timmy is near death. Nancy has to take a break from fucking inappropriate men in order to stay by his side. There are some comparisons to the Christ Child.

In maybe the final season, Willy wants to do his own thing by going to Mexico with whatever girlfriend he has at the time. Doug is furious!!

by Anonymousreply 450December 1, 2021 5:07 PM

I just watched “Disco Queen” from season 4. Buddy gets involved with an older woman, played by Priscilla Lopez (from the original A Chorus Line), by staying out all night in a 21+ Disco. Doug and Kate are furious.

by Anonymousreply 451December 3, 2021 12:21 PM

Rewatching episodes on Tubi this holiday time. It's comforting.

by Anonymousreply 452December 29, 2021 8:48 AM

I just saw that R450. I mean I love going back and watching repeats but this was like the 4th episode in a row that just BUMMED ME THE FUCK OUT.

Although the dude that plays Timmy's dad looked maybe the hottest I'd ever seen him look in this ep. Minus the fro, of course. When he cries I just want to comfort him. In my mouth.

by Anonymousreply 453January 24, 2022 8:05 PM

I’’m watching the disco episode right now and feeling nostalgic. This show still gives me the feels even after all these years. Quinn Cummings was a nice addition to the cast. It could have been another ‘Cousin Oliver’ situation but she really jelled with the rest of the cast.

by Anonymousreply 454March 17, 2022 1:10 PM

Kristy mcnichol making lesbianism into a disability for well over 40 years

by Anonymousreply 455March 17, 2022 1:31 PM

Slight tangent: Quinn is on Twitter and she's hilarious. One of my favorite accounts there.

by Anonymousreply 456March 17, 2022 1:37 PM

The mother was the coldest fish of any tv mom....I hated her

by Anonymousreply 457March 17, 2022 1:38 PM


She was no cold fish. I mean, she could be a little hangry from time to time, but.....

by Anonymousreply 458March 17, 2022 1:45 PM

My mom was a bit of a cold fish but I never doubted for one second that she loved me and would do anything for me. So, for me, the character is very real and relatable.

by Anonymousreply 459March 17, 2022 1:46 PM

R48 ironic, given that Lisa refused to appear in the FOL episode where 20 year old Natalie finally, at long last, has sexy time with Snake.

by Anonymousreply 460March 17, 2022 5:37 PM

R459 Amen.

by Anonymousreply 461March 17, 2022 7:23 PM

There's a thin line between Kate Lawrence and Beth Jarrett

by Anonymousreply 462March 17, 2022 7:47 PM

To remind everyone: SaDAH spoke her lines as if she were wearing a crown.

by Anonymousreply 463March 17, 2022 7:51 PM

Did someone say THIN and Kate Lawrence in the same sentence?

by Anonymousreply 464March 17, 2022 11:14 PM

It's so interesting to me how many people say Kate is cold. She really isn't. She's quite passionate about the well being and morality of her children. She cares, but she's flawed, like we all are.

Kate Lawrence is, quietly, one of the best, most realized characters in television history.

by Anonymousreply 465March 18, 2022 1:51 AM

[quote] Kate Lawrence is, quietly, one of the best, most realized characters in television history.


by Anonymousreply 466March 18, 2022 4:07 AM

How old are all of you who think Kate is a cold fish?

In certain eras, parents and children didn't expect parents to be their kids' best friends. Parents were disciplinarians whose jobs were to raise kids right.

You can't blame Kate for being angsty and somewhat reserved. She had one dead kid, one high-school dropout, a flighty slut, and a budding dyke. For a woman of her era and station, she was a fuckup as a mother. As an acting choice, it made sense that Kate constantly held her softer side in check.

But she broke her back for those brats: She let Willie and Nancy live at home after their failures to launch, cooked for the lot of them, ran all over town doing Nancy's errands, babysat at the drop of a hat, was always there with supportive words of wisdom, etc. etc.

by Anonymousreply 467March 18, 2022 8:51 AM

As an 8-13 year old when the show aired, I remember feeling sorry for Buddy that she had a dumpy, chubby, plain old woman for a mom. I never actually watched the show back then, just saw the previews etc. When I watched the whole series as an adult last year I was very pleasantly surprised at how wonderful Kate really was. She was a really good mother and good person in general. Sada deserved a much better wardrobe and hairstyle on the show. Cramming her into those outdated and unflattering Leave It To Beaver style dresses was bullshit. Nobody was still wearing that crap except grandmothers in the late 70s.

by Anonymousreply 468March 18, 2022 12:38 PM

R468, to be fair, Sada herself said she was very uncomfortable when she was doing tests for Charlie's Angels as Kate Jackson's replacement that she was not comfortable at all wearing twin sets, jeans and pumps, so she might have been the one who insisted on the frumpier wardrobe.

by Anonymousreply 469March 19, 2022 12:34 AM

Sada does it all here. This should have landed her in a Hall of Fame somewhere.

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by Anonymousreply 470March 19, 2022 2:12 PM

"Kate Lawrence is, quietly, one of the best, most realized characters in television history."

Bless you, r465 and r 470. I'm crying now.

by Anonymousreply 471March 20, 2022 1:02 AM

"Melt me down to butter your biscuits."

"You are going to be...you are..."

I'm crying harder now. Such fabulous writing and playing.

by Anonymousreply 472March 20, 2022 1:07 AM

R471 R472 A hug for you.

A well deserved MARY! too, but a hug all the same.

by Anonymousreply 473March 20, 2022 1:38 AM

R471 thank you. Someone MARY!'d me for that comment, and I really didn't understand why. I think Kate Lawrence is a classic character. Like Archie Bunker, or Diane Chambers, or Tony Soprano. A television character who seemed l like she could actually be a real person you knew in life.

by Anonymousreply 474March 20, 2022 1:47 AM

Hey Kate, remember that time you took Buddy to volleyball camp in Big Bear? I bomba-de-BOMPED Doug all weekend. In your bed!

by Anonymousreply 475March 21, 2022 8:29 PM

I remember feeling bad for the dad when the show aired - like, he had to come home to [italic]that?[/italic]

I was used to seeing glamorous actresses on TV.

by Anonymousreply 476April 4, 2022 5:45 AM

How was Sada the star of Family and winner of both Tony and Emmy when she lacks even the rudimentary tool kit of an actress. There's no warmth, vulnerability, charm, glamour, humor, truth, or depth.

by Anonymousreply 477April 4, 2022 6:27 AM

Sada is also not believable as a heterosexual.

by Anonymousreply 478April 4, 2022 6:27 AM

This show is all about awkward silences. Sada is the worst. Was Willy adopted from the east coast? (I like when he yells, rowr). Kristy McNichol is the only thing approaching a natural or nice performance.

by Anonymousreply 479April 5, 2022 12:09 AM

"Family" aired in the midst of my ugly duckling adolescence, complete with rage-aholic father and alcoholic mother. To me the Lawrence family were everything I wished my family had been.

by Anonymousreply 480April 5, 2022 12:17 AM

Sa-DAH's Sabrina Duncan would never have driven a Pinto, she would have taken the bus everywhere R469.

by Anonymousreply 481April 5, 2022 12:42 AM

Nobody ever called her Katie.

by Anonymousreply 482April 5, 2022 12:43 AM

Kristy McNichol's haircut in the OP's photo is a thing of wonder.

by Anonymousreply 483April 5, 2022 12:59 AM

Meredith Baxter Birney can get a haircut, bleach, and a red skin tan but she's just in kabuki drag and she's hardly a dyke. She's mindfucked is what she is. She never had anything. She was pretty then she wasn't that. Gary, Kristy, and the dad carried the show on their backs. Mostly Kristy.

by Anonymousreply 484April 5, 2022 10:48 AM

I see the fucking weirdo Dominique Dunne obsessee has found his way to this thread.

by Anonymousreply 485April 6, 2022 1:28 PM

I’m wish the Family cast had tried a comeback variety show, like the Brady Bunch did.

Sada singing on top of a piano, eric.

by Anonymousreply 486April 6, 2022 1:41 PM

^^ ETC.

by Anonymousreply 487April 6, 2022 1:43 PM

A dramatic episode of Family NEXT on all ABC stations.

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by Anonymousreply 488April 6, 2022 2:05 PM

I don't think Willy is weird with his sister. He's demonstrative and affectionate and would have likely taken to a little brother the same way, he just ended up with this tomboy. They have a positive relationship.

by Anonymousreply 489April 6, 2022 8:28 PM

[quote]I’m wish the Family cast had tried a comeback variety show, like the Brady Bunch did.

Puhleeze, R486. She would have just made them do a remake of Our Town.

by Anonymousreply 490April 7, 2022 2:21 AM

Penny Fuller really hammed it up in that episode, R488.

Miss Sada was fearsome in getting that drunk away from Nancy and her grandson!

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by Anonymousreply 491April 8, 2022 12:03 AM

It appears the show has been removed from Tubi


by Anonymousreply 492April 16, 2022 9:41 PM

The show is still on Tubi, R492. All five seasons.

by Anonymousreply 493April 18, 2022 10:21 PM

Fabulous episode

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by Anonymousreply 494May 18, 2022 7:29 PM

Family is airing on Me TV Plus: 1 episode per day, M - F, 6am PST. They're currently in season 4.

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