Scotland Herald: Outcry over plan to educate 'bigoted' rape survivors

Sturgeon legacy

Why do they do this? How do they think this sounds in any way sane?

Also, why is the head of one of Scotland's largest rape crisis centre a MtF? 91- 95% of rape victims are cis females.

There’s a whole lot of “in my opinion” and “it is my belief” in her statements that underlie just how unprofessional and dictatorial her position is. What a fucking cunt for trying to push her beliefs and politics on women who are traumatised.

So any bloke can slap on a frock and diddle all the rape victims he wants? Fantastic outcome, Sturgie.

"Despite lacking a gender recognition certificate, Wadhwa, 43, was appointed chief executive of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre in May, a post that was advertised as for a woman only.

The centre is currently advertising for a chief operating officer, who must also be a woman, and says applications from trans women would be “especially welcome”.

So she merely identifies as a woman, rather than having even had the surgery.... and she's the head of a rape crisis centre?

Also, she only got the job in May but is already spewing this insanity on public podcasts within the space of 3 months?

I'm calling it now. She is one of the full-blown lunatic types of trans, not one of the sane ones, and I foresee a slew of lawsuits in the future of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

Mridul Wadhwa's appointment was political. Whether it's the SNP government in Scotland, Labour in Wales or the Tories in Westminster, they will appoint their supporters to significant roles despite whether the person is in any way suitable.

Wadhwa played a good game though, she was a vocal SNP supporter and wanted to stand as a candidate. She was the manager of a smaller rape centre and didn't get selected as a candidate but then was promoted to the Edinburgh centre, despite being ineligible a candidate as her legal status is that of a man. Then after the protests about her appointment she quit the SNP citing transphobia (what else) and joined the Green Party.

If you listen to the Guilty Feminist podcast segment where she talks about educating survivors the response from the 2 podcast hosts is astonishing. No awareness of how bad it all sounds.

Rape Crisis Scotland is claiming they are the victims in all this, and that people who are questioning their director or the latter's comments are guilty of bigoted abuse - an imprisonable offence in Scotland.

They're basically trying to get the feminists trying to reclaim their rape center put in prison for protesting.

And it was Wadhwa's new party The Greens who opposed the right of a rape victim to choose the sex of the doctor who examines them, rather than the gender.

And with Sturgeon negotiating a formal coalition with The Greens to save her skin on independence there's no way the Greens won't demand their ideological bullshit stance on abolishing sex as a protected status won't be a leverage point.

^^^^^^WOW.

What the fuck is going on with Scotland? Can anyone explain?

Was it always like this or did they recently put loads of drugs in the water supply? How is any of this even possible, much less supported by Scottish government entities?

r8 It's baffling why Nicola Sturgeon is so hellbent on pursuing this kind of thing. Is there something perhaps in her personal life driving these unhealthy choices?

This is just one example of the crazy shit going on with these crazy ass trans "women" with political agendas. If you say anything, you're called a nazi bigot. I've had that happen even on DL where you're gaslighted by saying it's not really like this, that they're .06%, blah blah blah. Nope, there's something with this trans movement that stinks.

It's not all trans people either and I understand that. Unfortunately those running the show are loons with an axe to grind against LGB and women. Since half are straight males, I'm guessing that's the problem.

Who can defend this in good faith? And no it's not just one outlier -- there's been shelters attacked, women prisoners attacked, etc. This is about straight males with a fetish, hiding in a Trojan horse. They get to use normal trans people as sheilds, along with the LGBTQ community. It needs to stop.

R12 stupidity and feeling smug

I must say, considering this - person - bought and paid for a pair a knockers, these are the ugliest, droopiest bolt-ons that I have ever seen:

r9 I still reckon Sturgeon will make a lot of noise about a referendum to try and keep her troops happy but ultimately I reckon she will bottle a referendum because she's far from sure of winning it. If she loses it then there won't be a further referendum for decades. A lot in her own party suspects she values the role of first minister above independence and I suspect they could be right.

r14 Smug about what?

Has anyone noticed how many transwomen are mansplaining and bullying women? And women just can't seem to help being shit on by men.

Make no mistake, this one is a very dangerous wolf in sheep’s clothing. Don’t know wtf rape crisis are doing.

r13 I have seen it quoted online directly from trans activists in recent years that the big picture is smashing the heteronormative patriarchy and family structure?

These are the type of people who are going to ensure more Trumps and very right wing conservatives in power in Western countries in the future if the left and liberals don't start to disown them.

r18 Yup and for some unfathomable reason Sturgeon a woman is betraying other women big time. Why? It's odd and unforgiveable.

New allegations: Profiting from excluding women?

Who is Sturgeon (if you could boil her down to 2 sentences)?

The worst leader in the Scottish Nationalist Party's entire history, r23.

She's near clinically insane, but also ineplicably untouchable, even though everyone (except her hardcore fans) hates her.

If I find out in the future that she is very corrupt I will not be surprised.

r24 She seems to have a personal grudge against openly lesbian SNP mp Joanna Cherry.

What if you open a rape crisis center and nobody comes to it? Can the real women, the real feminists start a new one?

End Times

R24 I agree.

She sounds nutty.

[quote][R8] It's baffling why Nicola Sturgeon is so hellbent on pursuing this kind of thing. Is there something perhaps in her personal life driving these unhealthy choices?

It's long been rumoured that her husband is gay - they got married in 2010, when she was deputy first minister and it was very much a marriage of convenience. He is the Chief Exec of the SNP and is currently being investigated by police for the party's financial situation. The revelation that she had a miscarriage during the referendum was quite a surprise. Someone who works in and around the Holyrood Parliament said to me "so who was the father?"

Sturgeon is first and foremost a nationalist devoted to the nationalist cause. That's why her and her husband did nothing about Alex Salmond's bullying and sexual abuse of female workers in the Scottish Government. The SNP activist base is VERY pro-trans so she will ultimately go along with whatever they demand.

The sad thing is that Sturgeon is an effective communicator and she is in a better position than anyone to argue for self ID, greater protection for trans people or whatever, but still acknowledge there will be some clashes which will be mitigated for, e.g. prisons and a Yaniv exemption, But that would require courage to face down the more extreme elements in her party and she's a coward.

And she's four feet tall.

[quote][R24] She seems to have a personal grudge against openly lesbian SNP mp Joanna Cherry.

Sturgeon and Chery are both lawyers. Sturgeon was a very average solicitor, focused more on political career - standing in her first election at the age of 22.

Cherry became a barrister and is now a QC - she's truly a formidable presence and her intellect is fierce. During the Brexit debates she was the most effective at holding the government to account.

The people who permitted this monstrous eyesore are obviously blind, myopic or nutty.

[quote]95% of rape victims are cis females.

No, they are not cis anything. That is a made up word. Gibberish invented by translunatics. Rape victims are just women.

Trannies are freaks. We don't entertain their fantasies or adopt their make believe language.

r31 Sounds like Sturgeon might be a bit jealous of Cherrys more exemplary stellar legal career and abilities. There's a lot of competitiveness in legal circles/the legal profession.

There is definitely some irrational or emotional reason why she clearly holds a personal grudge against Joanna Cherry.

I thought there were a few lesbians in Scots parliament.

This is disgusting.

And it is absolutely NOT the sort of thing the gay rights movement was intended for.

r13, "normal" transpeople aren't stepping up to challenge the shit being done in their name, so they're no better than the TRAs.

r18, when you read through some of their tweets, they admit that a benefit of transitioning is that they can be bigoted towards other groups and not get called out on it.

r19, anyone who doesn't see this is a lost cause. T&Co is the same group that successfully shut down a GoFundMe campaign to raise money for a women's crisis shelter in Canada. I forgot the name of the shelter, but it's the same one that trannies nailed a dead animal to the door of because they refused to admit MTFs.

That would be Vancouver Rape Relief r37

Not Scotland, but in the achingly progressive city of Brighton, a well run domestic violence refuge was lots its contract to supply services in the city because was not deemed to be "inclusive".

It was inclusive to trans women - they had a trans women working in the main refuge - but it focused on women and not men, so it was punished.

[quote]A commissioned report found that currently contracted domestic abuse services are viewed as much more accessible to women and that current onsite provision is women-only. The EIAs highlighted the need for more support for both heterosexual and gay male survivors and also highlighted the specific barriers to service experienced by the trans community, with trans survey respondents noting that the type of support they wanted was not available.

Love how trannies have knocked feminists on their ears.

[quote]"normal" transpeople

An oxymoron, if there ever was one.

There is nothing, absofuckinglutely NOTHING "progressive" or "liberal" about calling a bloke in a frock a woman. Hormones, the chop, whatever. He will forever remain a HE!

^None of them even chop it anymore. Must are just ugly men playing dress up.

Yes r34, Sturgeon's obstinacy on trans issues seems to have some political factional element to it. She's using the trans issue to smear Joanna Cherry, who is more on the Salmond wing of the party. On the other side, Sturgeon has that moron lesbian Mhairi Black - who invited a drag queen called Flowjob to a primary school to read to the little kiddies - egging her on. Sturgeon has somehow been convinced that all the Scottish youth are pro-trans extremism and if she's going to have them voting for independence in the coming years she needs to entice them on this issue.

The fact that the SNP have been kicking the can of the gender self-id draft law down the road for literally years now shows, however, that they know this issue is a real liability for them. Back in 2019 when there was less public attention on or understanding of the issue and when any opposition was immediately silenced they thought they'd be able to sneak it through. But, that ship sailed, thanks to people like Jo Cherry (and resident of Scotland JK Rowling), and issues like this with the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre just make it more difficult for them, as will tensions over the draft law with the Greens and the new proposals to allow primary school children to "choose" their own gender.

Sure r40, those terrible feminists who believe in supporting rape victims. Didn't you know that the trannies almost all call themselves feminists, though?

This is insanity on parade.

I admire Wadhwa for living zir truth.

Reminds me of that fat pig Aimee Channelor and "her" pedophile husband.

Very much so r45 I would never have believed 10 years ago that hospital staff would be advised not to use the word mother for fear of giving offence . Dosing up so high on this form of insane identity politics is going to eat the political left unless they get a grip.

[quote] women just can't seem to help being shit on by men.

As a female, it frustrates me no end when other women just meekly roll over and go with this insanity.

The go-along is of course understandable coming from idiot teen girls or from poor disenfranchised women who need to hang on to their TA/nurse/cleaning job or whatever with both hands, but from the likes of highly-ranking and well-paid government ministers—who have a choice to push back the capitulation and clearly defy the misogyny on display—it is baffling as well as embarrassing and incensing.

If we don’t mobilise against this with immediate effect, this could easily result in women being driven underground to get healthcare or congregate (best case) or forced back into the second-class citizenry/covert slavery from which we only recently escaped (worst case). All because men can’t just be fucking decent responsible considerate humans.

Maybe all those furious violent feminists from the 70s were actually right about rounding up straight men & boys and imprisoning them in labour camps. They only hurt others and themselves let free.

“Maybe all those furious violent feminists from the 70s were actually right about rounding up straight men & boys and imprisoning them in labour camps. They only hurt others and themselves let free.”

Yup, the older I get, the more I realize what ruthless nasty cunts most men are.

there's no end to this insanity

r51 The pushback against it is increasing significantly though.Dont give up hope.

It is funny how some of these MTF's appear to exemplify the worst in straight male behaviors. I thought they were women on the inside?

r53 Interesting point

Yes, I think so, R54.

So the SNP and Greens have finalised a power-sharing agreement. I haven't seen the text but it would be interesting to see what it says about the gender self-id bill and other trans issues. Having to agree on trans issues will probably pull the parties in directions they (or their grassroots) don't want to go on: the Greens will have to become more "moderate" and the SNP more "extreme" (even if their current position is extreme enough).

Mridul is so committed to being a woman he has kept his penis intact. Think about it. That’s the CEO of The Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre. He is one seriously deranged and dangerous person with intimate contact to rape survivors.

Mridul believes it is transphobic for a female rape survivor to insist on a female counsellor. Hence his statement that the Centre will also address the rape victim’s “bigotry”.

Nicola Sturgeon is absolutely fine with this.

[quote] Love how trannies have knocked feminists on their ears.

All women have done for gay men over the years and this is how we're repaid.

r58: These aren't gay men.

“Love how trannies have knocked feminists on their ears.”

Oh, isn’t it nice how one of yours keeps women in their place? I cannot believe no woman has this this place and this crazy tranny bitch.

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Noone with a penis should be heading a rape crisis center. Cut it off or quit.

So yesterday some "Terfs" went into a bar in Edinburgh and the staff refused to serve them and then called the police to have them removed.

Well, all those Afghani refugees who will end up in the UK will be chucking stones at both the transvestites and the feminists.

[quote]Well, all those Afghani refugees who will end up in the UK will be chucking stones at both the transvestites and the feminists.

Fuck off racist.

Poor dumb R33.

R58 US Women repaid us with voting for all of those state bans on same sex marriage over the past 3 decades.

Some even had (SHOCK OF ALL SHOCKS) women voters being the majority who opposed them.

Women don't owe gay men anything. All gay marriage has achieved is the erasure of women as a sex class and the further exploitation of our bodies by men. I stand with lesbians not gay men who threw us under the bus the first chance they got.

Oh my various Goddesses—its 2021 and it turns out that mad old woman-hating crank Dave Sim was actually fucking right about everything. I hate this timeline..

I just don't see this as a women versus gay men issue at all, so I'm not sure where that is coming from. It is the trans activists belittling and eroding women's rights, not the rest of us. I've been watching this issue evolve over the last few years, and I've changed my mind about cutting down LGBTQ etc. to just LGB or LGBQ. I was against it, but it now gets my support. I feel uncomfortable being associate with these trans activists in any way, shape or form. It's all going to end in tears.

It has nothing to do with gay men. That's why we'd like gay men to stop attacking us for defending our sex-based as females.

R71 It doesn't have to do with gay men so much as with gay activists. No gay man I know who isn't an activist supports this. Activists: Yes. There is been a German group, "Enough is enough - open your mouth", led by a gay activist fighting for marriage equality, an issue I wholeheartedly supported and always have, long before it was mainstream or fashionable. (Not saying this because I want a cookie, but to stress how old I am.) As soon as the bill passed, activists like the one mentioned smoothly switched issues. All of a sudden, it's all about trans. My working theory: Activists love the position of power and popularity the just fight has provided them with and they refuse to let go. The comment section on Facebook for the group I mentioned is slim recently, and only the usual suspects post - people who love the idea of puberty blockers etc.

Activists, some of them, also like the bit of money they get from advocacy group and non-profit jobs.(Probably not great but otherwise they to get a real job.) Witness Charlotte Clymer.

Some of these organizations exist almost entirely online. They do little beyond issuing statements to the press. They can solicit money online as well. They are neither grassroots nor tied in any meaningful way to the base of lgb folk.

I just want to get something clear: the T stands far more for transvestites numerically than actual sex re-assigning transsexuals (the chop)?

I hope this kills the SNP. It's a shit party and idea. Economically Scotland is better off in the UK and their are additional educational opportunities and work opportunities for younger Scots south of the border. The UK as an entity is more cosmopolitan than a tiny ethno-national state.

Scotland as an independent country is as appealing as an independent Transnistria.

there are ^

(Obviously.)

The problem in Scotland r75, is that the pro-union parties are equally as shit as the SNP. Labour appear to have given up on Scotland altogether and are almost as bad as the SNP on the trans issue, while the Tories are the Tories and many Scots will not vote for them.

This is in fact the problem on the whole in the UK - the only choice is parties that have drunk the trans Kool Aid or the Tories. Although, I note, that the Green Party in England has huge - mostly suppressed, as to be expected - divisions on the trans issue.

R77, the last time I was in the UK, right before the last election, the younger half of the gay couple I was staying with told me he was voting Tory. He had also voted Tory in the previous election and told none of his friends. He said he had voted Labour otherwise. He was born and raised in the UK but had some Turkish ancestry.

r71 I am a gay male and I vigorously and rigoursly defend women's sex based rights and argue opposing the transgender aggressive nasty tactics continiously both on this board and off. Most gay men are not smug entitled malice incarnate like Owen Jones.

r77 On climate change the greens are great defenders of science so their defence of unscientific idea's and policies linked to gender and sex and trans is bizarre and weakens their credibility.

That's the Jeremy Corbyn effect, r78.

The Green Party had the potential to be a serious force in the UK. Caroline Lucas is widely respected, whether you disagree with her or not, but they're tearing themselves apart over the trans issue.

The currently leadership favourites are a "women's rights supporter" and notorious antisemite called Shahrar Ali, and a "dream team" of a Welsh woman and the non binary co-founder of Extinction Rebellion, who recently filmed a video with her/their female partner describing TERFS as the shit in a toilet that won't flush.

No one is making any effort to bring two sides back together and look for common ground.

The shemale in charge of the center fundamentally misunderstands the purpose of a rape crisis center. As the actual expert quoted in the article says:

[quote] One expert on sexual violence, author Dr Jessica Taylor, said it wasn’t “true at all” that addressing subjectively defined “bigoted” beliefs is necessary to process trauma.

and

[quote] “The priority, and primary focus, should be their own journey, trauma, experiences, processes and practical issues after they have been raped.

R82, is there a common ground? I think not. Sometimes people just need to be defeated and cast out of the party. No one seems to want to do that with any party in the UK or USA except perhaps the UK Conservatives. Maybe that's why they keep winning.

The GOP doubled down on the fascists which is working here. The Dems need to cast out the most extreme members however.

Only women bleed

R71 Gay men don’t do that, dumbass. It’s trans.

It’s obvious China will completely obliterate the EU and USA in the near future. They think we’re decadent wimps.

I swear to God.. if a lesbian comes in here and says gay men want to exploit their bodies. Delusional. You.Fucking.Wish., The pussy has zero power or sway with gay men (that’s the facts and the whole point) plus only the lowest among us won’t recognize a woman is a human being who should be protected and have rights. Gay men aren’t into sick trans shit. This is a full blown woman vs trans shit war. Period.

[quote][R82], is there a common ground? I think not. Sometimes people just need to be defeated and cast out of the party. No one seems to want to do that with any party in the UK or USA except perhaps the UK Conservatives. Maybe that's why they keep winning.

The common ground is acknowledging that trans people deserve the same rights and protections as everyone else and can change their legal status if certain criteria is met. Once changed however, there are still some exemptions that will apply,

Feminists are more likely to concede that a trans woman who has gone through a full medical transition and has a vagina and breasts should be housed in a female prison than TRAS are to concede that a self identifying trans woman with a beard, hairy chest, penis, testicles and multiple sexual assault convictions should be housed in a men's prison.

TRAS have gone so far down the TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN road that there's no way back in accepting a Yaniv exemption that protects women in beautician salons who don't want to touch a trans woman's penis and testicles when giving a bikini wax.

I don't think any party now can force that compromise on its members, R89. The GOP, the Dems, Labour are seemed captured by their extremist wings, by movement members who act in bad faith in that they don't really about the party. The answer is expulsion of such members in the UK and refusal to cater to those groups in the US or the formation of a new "centrist" party which is unlikely to win against the right. In the US that's especially dangerous. In the UK not so much as the Tories remain somewhat center right. In fact that's their winning strategy. In the US the GOP exploits weaknesses (states power over election, gerrymandering, the Electoral College, the Senate as a non-representative institution) to hold on and have no need to disown fascists in its ranks.

The Tories are "liberal" enough not to be too frightening. They're also ideologically flexible. The current bunch are unfortunately also stupid cunts and highly incompetent, but being "liberal" enough and ideologically flexible is what means they continue to win. Other "secrets to their success" are being generally loyal to their leader and all following the same general policy line. Those MPs and other top party members who disagree are seen simply as mavericks or highly principled on particular issues, which actually benefits the party image.

Leaving the EU was a highly ideological act of complete folly which will damage the country immeasurably for the next several decades and forever really, but the Tories still manage to look more reasonable than Labour today. Starmer is simply rubbish. Our only hope is someone like Andy Burnham, who as Mayor of Greater Manchester has managed to reinvent himself as someone who is close to the people and has also proved himself as listening to and representing the people of his district. But that is still some years off.

I had hopes for Starmer on the trans issue as he'd managed to keep some distance from it. Now he's pledged wholehearted support for gender self-id, so he can go fuck himself.

r91 I didn't know he'd pledged that? Do you have a link please?

I was shocked last year when the otherwise reasonable Lisa Nandy supported convicted rapists being allowed into women's prisons if they declared themselves female.

Some female labour mps like Rosie Duffield are pushing back against the trans stuff.

“I was shocked last year when the otherwise reasonable Lisa Nandy supported convicted rapists being allowed into women's prisons if they declared themselves female.”

Wtf? Is this for real? Why are women putting up with this insanity?

R82, just read about Tamsin Ormond, that idiot from Extinction Rebellion. According to Wikipedia "They were educated at Westminster School and Trinity College, Cambridge." I think that tells us all we need to know about their privileged social background, which has enabled them to indulge in such whacky politics.

Andy Burnham went to Cambridge too (albeit not to as illustrious a college), but he got there as a bright, hard-working kid from a modest lower middle-class family who went to state schools.

Here, r92.

r95 Arrgh awful. More wilderness years for Labour I suspect. r93 Yes it's real she was asked it at a leadership hustings last year at a party meeting but an undercover journalist recorded her.

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Labour is conducting an "investigation" into its MP Rosie Duffield for liking an "anti-trans" tweet.

During the Labour leader and deputy contest last year there were 3 men and 5 women standing.

All 5 women were bullied into signing the Labour Trans pledge. The sycophantic creeper Emily Thornberry initially held out saying she disagreed with the description of feminists groups as hate groups, but she bowed to pressure and signed. The three men all refused. One of them was the far left's preferred candidate Richard "Dick" Burgon, a straight white man who has experienced no pushback on his stance. He was interviewed by his friend Owen Jones this week and trans rights weren't even mentioned.

And then there's Dawn Butler who thinks the word penis is a transphobic dog whistle.

From the Times article. Labour couldn't give a shit about how gay people feel about all this, yet they claim to be supporting gays because they're supporting the "LGBTQ+ community".

[quote]Duffield, 50, liked a tweet by Kurtis Tripp, an American rapper, accusing trans people of “colonising gay culture” and saying they were “mostly heterosexuals cosplaying as the opposite sex and as gay”

[quote]Wtf? Is this for real? Why are women putting up with this insanity?

Because whenever women object, they get fired, stalked, harassed, threatened with both physical and sexual violence, driven off of media platforms and just generally hounded into silence. Then there are the so woke it hurts types who happily acquiesce to every trans demand, and act as their enforcers when it comes to other bio women.

At least we know this insane shit will not come to the US, it will not be tolerated here. I'd just like to see some man declare himself a woman and walk around like a hairy pig in lipstick.

A sexual assault victim should have the right to request that their forensic exam be performed by a woman. The victim might feel vulnerable during the exam itself, right after a traumatic experience, and shouldn't have to be worried about being triggered by having a biological man standing between her legs, poking and prodding around her naked body.

Anyone who doesn't understand that has no business working at a sexual assault treatment center.

r102 I thought a recent equality act had been passed in the US that some said would bring exactly this? The UK government has dropped self identification as a policy.

This is the new left. Why is anyone surprised?

R104 Please tell us where this new policy is taking place in the US.

r106 I thought Biden signed it into law in his early months in office hence its the law of the land? I remember people on datalounge discussing it.

The US is just as bad on trans issues as the UK. The trans bullshit even started in the US. Unfortunately, things are now completely bonkers in Scotland, but parts of the US are also introducing the "let 5 year olds choose their own gender identity" crap and allowing boys to take part in girls' sports.

In some states such as California where they have gender self-ID, fully penised "transwomen" can walk around naked in the women's section of a spa.

[quote] It’s obvious China will completely obliterate the EU and USA in the near future. They think we’re decadent wimps.

Because China uses its trannies for national greatness instead of navel-gazing bullshit.

[quote][R104] Please tell us where this new policy is taking place in the US.

In California, where male prisoners are self identifying as women to be transferred to women's prisons

In CA, XYs who fancy themselves as woman but still have XY genitalia go to a special population yard in Tehachapi. I have worked as a MD on the special pop unit there. This unit also houses gang drop outs and flamboyant gays.

XYs who have had their male genitalia removed can be housed at Chinchilla or Chino, where the two women's prisons are.

A lot of the new British MPs are idiots.

Twitter is exposing their idiocy.

Diane Abbott is now getting competition as Britain's most stupid MP.

r99 Dawn Butler is an idiot.

Current attitudes say 'Representative Government' means that if the 50% of the population are female therefore 50% of parliamentarians MUST be female.

And similarly, if the 20% of the population are mentally retarded therefore 20% of parliamentarians MUST be mentally retarded!

F&F OP, we don't care about your personal obsession with all things trans.

WTF are these TRANSLOONS yammering about now?

Get the FUCK off this thread, r117. You are NOT welcome here.

It's the TRAs writing divisive shit to turn gay men against women and lesbians. Divide and conquer is their MO.

You are in a chronic rage like the rest of the hate-filled Trans Agenda crowd!

Go ahead, be more ragey and profane!

I'm OP and I was telling the asshole at r116 to get the fuck off the thread.

Apologies to r117.

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Nicola Sturgeon faces anger over proposed gender legislation Power-sharing deal with Green Party commits SNP to Gender Recognition Act reform

Tim Wyatt

Gender critical feminist campaigners in Scotland have attacked the SNP’s plans to make it easier for people to legally change gender.

As part of the party’s new power-sharing deal with the Scottish Greens, the SNP have agreed to introduce a bill within the next year to reform and simplify the Gender Recognition Act, which governs how trans people can legally change gender.

Currently, the Act requires people to prove to a Gender Recognition Panel they have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, they have lived in their new gender for at least two years already and then make legally-binding declaration they intend to live as this gender for the rest of their life.

The Scottish government has already held several consultations in recent years on amending the law to allow people to simply self-identify their new gender with a form which would automatically be recognised by the panel.

Their agreement with the Greens, who are supporting an SNP minority government in a formal confidence and supply deal, commits them to reforming the Act in the next 12 months.

The text of the agreement stats: “We will reform the Gender Recognition Act in a Bill introduced in the first year of this parliamentary session.

“This will ensure the process by which a trans person can obtain legal recognition is simplified, reducing the trauma associated with that process.”

But For Women Scotland, a lobbying group which formed in opposition to self-identification in 2018, has accused Nicola Sturgeon’s government of ignoring the views of women and trying to push through changes out of step with the public’s views.

“As usual with the SNP, it is not listening to the wider general public,” Marion Calder, the director of For Women Scotland, told The Daily Telegraph.

“This is the SNP forging ahead with its Bill without any consultation – it’s a farce – and it will try to rush this through as fast as it can.

"The general public have an understanding there’s only two sexes and they will be confused and astonished.

“Of all the things we could be looking at – economic recovery, drug deaths, falling education standards – the Scottish Government has decided it’s so important it’s got to be done in the first year."

For Women and other campaigners argue simplifying and speeding up the process of gender transition could open the door to men pretending to be trans women to gain access to female changing rooms or other spaces in society reserved for women.

Trans activists dismiss this as fear-mongering, and have said the current gender recognition process is overly bureaucratic and interfering with trans people’s private lives.

Under Theresa May, the government in Westminster held its own consultation on reforming the Act and introducing self-identification, but concluded last year the current process was fair and scrapped plans to change the law.

However, a spokesperson for the Scottish government insisted reforms to the Gender Recognition Act in Scotland posed no threat to women or their rights.

"This reform will be undertaken in a way that ensures women’s rights are preserved and protected,” they said.