Californians

What’s long with Gavin? Can’t you let the R take it then let Gavin wipe the floor with him 1-on-1 or have CA voters turned stupid since November?

There is no need for an alternative. We should be uniting behind Newsom and vote NO on this stupid and wasteful recall on September 14.

If Gavin is removed, we have to unite on an alternative or else we will be stuck with Elder. Are you brain dead R!?

G - Accept no substitutes

He's not going to win in the second round if they kick him out in the first round, moron.

Look what's at stake. "School choice," which is a republican cash grab at the expense of actual schools, has led to illiteracy, drugs, and youth violence everywhere it's been tries, while the schools get worse and worse even with cheating and dumbing down the standardized tests. It is FAILED conservative social engineering brought to you by psychopath and white collar criminal George W. Bush.

There is no reason drugs should be illegal. Cannabis has been legal in California for 25 fucking years. Anyone who is a baby then is old enough to be in grad school by now.

I thought all the conservatives moved to Texas or Florida already, so why worry?

OP is right. Gavin is going to be recalled. Better to get ready now.

[quote]What’s long with Gavin?

His cock.

R10 - why? Nobody will ever get it if he likes to put it into cows like his ex...

Do not vote for Gavin in round 2. If he loses round 1 he will not win Round 2 and you've just split the progressive vote. We need to AGREE on a progressive democrat for round 2, period.

Elder is the top choice by voters, which is batshit crazy but after Trump…

Shut up, OP. You don't even live here. Troll.

[quote] Do not vote for Gavin in round 2. If he loses round 1 he will not win Round 2 and you've just split the progressive vote.

Wait, is round one him being recalled? You think he would win again after being recalled? How is that possible??

The Mexicans that make up California are conservative. Liberals didn’t think this pro-immigration and Dreamers thing through.

David Geffen would be a great Governor.

Let's pick our progressive and stop race baiting. He's not on the ballot R17.

I’m voting for Angelyne!

Progressives are shithead losers.

Newsom is so selfish he told people to leave the second part blank. Outrageous! Don't be stupiid.

Ventresca is looking like our best choice.

I always write in Cher for offices where I don't know who the candidates are.

Maybe that could catch on.

writeins can't work. the people don't know how to do them and if they don't do them exactly right, they won't be counted.

Ventresca Ventresca Ventresca

Ventresca

Newsom is really feeling the heat....I'm thinking the San Diego mayor.

I'm voting for recall - gay man in LA and an independent.

R21 / R23 / R24 Agreed. Really pissed at this whole thing. That Democratic supermajority California didn't learn the lesson of 2003 in all these years since, to raise the bar for recall requirements in the state constitution and make sore loser recall proponents foot 100% of the bill. That Newsom's often questionable judgment and political instincts have actually made him vulnerable in what should be a no-brainer landslide to hold his office.

Having said all that, I refuse to leave the second question blank and in fate's hands. I also refuse to ever support candidates with zero experience in public service for statewide / national offices like governor and president (hello...Reagan, Schwarzenegger, Trump...looking back at all your buffoonery). I'm voting Ventresca.

Depending on political insiders to solve problems they created is how we ended up with Trump.

You’re not an independent R25. You’re a liar. You’re a Trump voter.

R28 - or maybe he is just dumb. A lot of "independent" voters are closet conservatives who haven't come out to themselves yet. Not all...but a lot. Many have one thing they are adamant about that the Democrats don't serve...be it racism, homophobia, religion...something so they go the independent route. It's like, yeah, I'm a pretty liberal guy but...I HATE f@gg@t$/n!!@@€*s....you know the story.

A couple months ago everyone on DL was saying this recall was not going to be successful and were just blowing it off. Now it seems like they're worried about it.

I'm writing in Brenda Dickson.

R26, amending the recall process would require a vote of the people. It would never pass in a billion years. (See also: prop 13 reform.)

If this happens California will be the laughing stock of the nation. You’ll be getting black Trump.

If Democrats snooze on this California will be fucked.

You should be getting a ballot in the mail.

Please vote NO. Don't even bother answering the second question.

Got my ballot in the mail couple days ago. On one side the yes/no choice over recall. On the other side I swear there were something like 30-40 names of alternates in random order. Ridiculous! Who are these people!! You don't have to select an alternate if you're voting no. I suspect most voters will just vote NO in disgust, as I did.

r34 You are either a troll or an idiot.

WRONG R35

Are you purposely misleading others??

You vote NO to recalling Newsom

THEN you hold your nose and vote for the LEAST repugnant Republican candidate - correct me if I’m wrong, but there ARE no democratic candidates running against Newsom.

You must choose a candidate and NOT leave it up to chance if the Democrats have a lousy turn-out and the repugs win by default.

PICK THE LEAST OFFENSIVE ALTERNATIVE JUST IN CASE.

Now. Can we come together on who that might be?

And don’t just namedrop - SHOW YOUR WORK.

The Credible organizations are only endorsing Gavin Newsom. There is a reason for this. The rest are all psychos. This is why we are saying this is a very dangerous recall effort.

Join: Stop the Republican Recall

Join: California Action for information

R37 How is what I said misleading?

Is Angelyne a Republican?

From the link above:

"Do you have to vote on both parts?

No, you can vote on just one or the other — and your vote still counts. For example, you can vote against removing Newsom on the first question, but also skip choosing a potential replacement (which is what Newsom and party leaders are telling Democrats to do)."

Huntington Beach is state capitol.

From the LA Times:

Column: Why I didn’t vote for any of the candidates in California’s joke of a recall election By Nicholas GoldbergColumnist Aug. 15, 2021 3 AM PT I got my ballot in the mail last week, but in a fit of pique, I didn’t vote on Question 2.

For those of you who haven’t been paying attention, I’m talking about the second question in the two-part recall election that we’re conducting here in California. The election is underway and ends on Sept. 14.

As far as I’m concerned, this whole recall is a big, unpleasant joke. Set in motion by a group of Trump-loving malcontents, it offers us an extra, unscheduled opportunity to vote against Gov. Gavin Newsom — in the middle of his first term no less — even though he hasn’t done anything particularly wrong.

It’s a circus, but it’s also seriously problematic. It could leave us with a new governor supported by only a tiny portion of the electorate. It will cost hundreds of millions of dollars. It may be unconstitutional. What’s more, it’s entirely unnecessary, since the regularly scheduled election is only a year away.

California has only recalled one governor since the option was added to the state Constitution 110 years ago. That was in 2003. That year, there were 135 random candidates vying to replace Gov. Gray Davis, including a pornographer, a sumo wrestler, some college students and an action hero movie star. The movie star won.

That was not a great outcome. And now, we’re doing it again.

Here’s the way it works. The first question on the ballot asks: “Shall Gavin Newsom be recalled (removed) from the office of Governor?” The second asks voters to select a candidate to replace him in the event he is recalled, offering a long list of candidates who have met the state’s minimal candidacy qualifications.

(cont.) Even if you vote no on the recall you may vote for a Newsom replacement. Your 46 choices include former Olympian and Wheaties spokesperson Caitlyn Jenner; perennial candidate John Cox, the guy who’s running around the state accompanied by a 1,000-pound Kodiak bear and an 8-foot-tall ball of trash; pink Corvette-driving self-promoter Angelyne, and a crop of others you’ve mostly never heard of. Newsom cannot run to replace himself.

Perhaps the two most likely-to-win candidates are Kevin Faulconer, a former Republican mayor of San Diego, and right-wing talk show host Larry Elder. Another recent poll showed Kevin Paffrath — who has a million and a half followers who watch his real estate and finance videos on YouTube — at the top of the heap.

When I opened my ballot, I was utterly depressed by the possibilities.

There were Republicans I disagreed with. There were way too many amateurs and unserious glory seekers. (It’s simply too easy to become a candidate; just gather 7,000 signatures and pay a fee of about $4,200.)

And there were no viable, experienced, appealing Democrats.

When we played this silly recall game in 2003, there was at least one Democrat with experience who ran — then-Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante. You could vote against recalling Gov. Gray Davis, a Democrat — but then you could also vote for a Democrat to replace him, just in case.

But this time, thanks to Newsom’s machinations, there are no Democrats with substantive political experience in the race. The governor, apparently worried that having a tested Democrat on the replacement ballot could harm his chances of surviving the recall, urged his party mates not to run.

(cont.)

That strategy, however, could backfire. If a majority of Californians vote to recall Newsom but there is no reasonable Democrat on the replacement ballot, then what? A Republican governor would probably be elected — even though Democrats in California outnumber Republicans by nearly 2 to 1.

Or we could end up with someone like Paffrath, I guess, who is a Democrat but seems thoroughly unqualified. It’s idiocy to check a box next to the name of an untested YouTube star who wants the National Guard to rid the streets of homeless people and would do away with income taxes for anyone who earns under $250,000.

So I voted no on the recall. And I left Question 2 blank.

My only other option, as I see it, would have been to vote strategically. In the absence of a candidate I liked, I could’ve targeted my vote to help ensure the defeat of the candidate I liked least — Larry Elder, who has said in the past that climate change is a myth, has defended President Trump vociferously and whom many consider the front-runner if Newsom is recalled.

To help block Elder, I could’ve voted for Faulconer, a Republican with experience in public office. Unlike many in the GOP, he at least believes climate change is real and doesn’t hate immigrants. A few years of Faulconer probably wouldn’t destroy the state.

But here’s the problem — and I am sorry if I sound like a foot-stomping 6-year-old: I don’t want to vote for Kevin Faulconer. It may be the shrewdest move in this dumb situation, but I wasn’t about to do it.

Faulconer is moderate, but only by GOP standards. He’s called the Democratic Party “captive to the far left.” He voted for Trump in 2020 — that’s pretty much a deal breaker for me. Even after Jan. 6 and the second impeachment, he reiterated that “it was the right choice.” Frankly, I resent that a) the state b) the governor and c) the dummies who started this recall have put me in a position where my only rational choice is to vote for the likes of Faulconer. Maybe I did the wrong thing. If Elder becomes governor, I will rue my decision. If Newsom keeps his job, as I still believe he will, I’ll be glad I didn’t vote for a Republican I don’t want in office. As I trudged to the ballot drop-off box, I remembered a 2003 headline that called California “ungovernable” and another that ridiculed the recall as “A Circus Fit for the Fruit and Nut State.” If we’re going to have a recall process, let’s fix it so it works and, even then, use it sparingly.

So if Newsom is removed and replaced by a Repug with 18% of the vote, how long until that Repug can be recalled?

R46, the soonest a new governor could be recalled is 6 months after taking office. But he will have to run for re-election in 2022 anyway.

Californian here. I have my ballot and have voted NO on the recall. I'm afraid Democrats won't turn out, Gavin will be recalled, and the biggest vote recipient on part 2/replacement will be Elder with no more than 25 percent of the vote. Elder would be a complete and utter disaster. I'm frankly at a loss as to who to vote for on round 2 because I do not want Elder to be the winner by a small plurality.

Isn’t there another Democrat running?

Voting YES!

R48 Californian here too. My ballot arrived today. I immediately voted NO to recall Newsom, and on question 2 I voted for Joel Ventresca. Of the handful of Democrats in the clown car, Ventresca is the only one I can tell who has any prior public service experience. He was a prior airport commissioner in San Francisco.

R49, there are other Democrats running but their public office experience is light (Ventresca, see R51 above) to non-existent. They could all divide the Democratic vote allowing a quack job like Elder to win with only 20-25 percent of the vote.

Da Preziduntgovnerz!

Hmm, a plot twist. I'm no constitutional lawyer, but reading the article it sounds like the argument might be pretty tenuous. We'll see.

Credible Organizations are only endorsing Gavin Newsom. There is a reason for this. The rest are psychos.

It's inexcusable that the potential replacement is chosen this way. I'm 100% against the recall, but if there does have to be one, there needs to be a run-off between the top two finishers--and even better would be a three-way with Newsom included.

[quote] and even better would be a three-way with Newsom included

R56 I have no problem with the idea of including Gavin Newsom in a three-way. 😉

I had no idea who Angelyne was until I made the connection to this Earth Girls are Easy scene. I suppose she's too much of an asshole to be totally harmful to the state.

R58 Angelyne would be exactly what California deserves if this recall goes through.

I voted for Kevin Falconer who seems like the best bet. Pro LGBT, a fiscal not social conservative.

[quote]Californian here. I have my ballot and have voted NO on the recall. I'm afraid Democrats won't turn out, Gavin will be recalled, and the biggest vote recipient on part 2/replacement will be Elder with no more than 25 percent of the vote. Elder would be a complete and utter disaster.

I think there are some Democrats who are considering voting YES.

If this is someone you know, remind them that Dianne Feinstein is 178 years old and the governor is likely to pick her successor. This could mean a Marjorie Taylor Greene representing California in the Senate. This also could mean GOP control of the Senate.

mathematically, it is not possible to vote no on the recall/and unite everyone around one replacement. Moreover, all the replacement candidates are psychos. They are not sane. If there was a great person, I would say.

Our only hope is we can get keep Gavin Newsom, who is a very good governor, in office. I hope Democratic Voters VOTE NO. I hope we also get sane Republican voters to vote NO (on first question.) We keep a good governor. Prevent any psycho coming into office.

VOTE NO (on the first question of the recall).

Gavin Newsom is the best choice. In fact, I want to vote for him again. He is intelligent, compassionate, and my god, he is working his ass off for us. Go to Stop the Republican Recall and California Action for more information.

Of course Elder is popular. He's an asshole and people love assholes. Too many people are sick of the "woke" shit coming from our side lately. I tend to agree that we've gone batshit overboard, but Gavin is the best choice. I'll be voting to keep him.

Gavin is a good governor? I needed a good laugh.

Lots of misinformed posts in this thread. There is no "round two" or run-off in this election. Write-in votes are not allowed.

Question 1: Shall Newsom be recalled?

Question 2: IF Newsom is recalled under question one, the person with the most votes gets the job. There are a bazillion names -including some Dems, but as others have pointed out they are people who largely have no experience and wouldn't be considered viable candidates in a general election. Here are some of the people who are running (copied and pasted from the official voter guide):

Daniel Mercuri | REPUBLICAN

As a father, Jesus is my foundation. As a veteran, I still honor my oath. As a business owner, I believe we are a community not a profit margin. As a patriot, I will fight to starve the government feed the people.

Dan Kapelovitz | GREEN

Can you dig it?

Denis Lucey | NO PARTY PREFERENCE

As a teacher I took an oath to uphold the United States Constitution. A distraught kindergartener crying told me, “I love my mommy, I love my daddy, why can’t I love them equally by living half of the time with each?” My teary eyed student wanted a 50 50 Child Custody arrangement prescribed in the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause, I respect California’s students.

God help us!

Liza!!

This recall election is dangerous.

Vote No ( on first question of your ballot).

Leave the second blank. The rest are psychos. This is the reason.

I hope dems vote NO. And we can pull in some sane republicans and independents too.

We have to keep Gavin Newsom in office. He is actually a very good governor. He's great and I would vote for him again.

[quote]David Geffen would be a great Governor.

Get off my beach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R67, leaving the second part blank after voting NO on the first part is a terrible strategy. The recall could happen, then we're left with Larry Fucking Elder becoming governor with about 20 percent of the vote on part 2.

Ventresca round 2

Sounds like Newsom's legal strategy will fail.