“Knots Landing” stars want a reunion show to happen

Joan Van Ark looks worse than Kurt Cobain's corpse.

I hope they film her parts in a blacked-out room.

Seriously, though, has Donna Mills's face actually moved in 34 years? I mean, apart from when making room for the botox cement and steel girder trucks to back up to her face..??

Ha r1! I was just thinking…too bad they can’t get Joan’s original face to reunite with her!

R3 How about a show featuring only the hideous plastic surgery failures sitting together on a couch telling each other how normal they still look? They could show little interview segments off to the side where friends and relatives discuss what these women used to look like, and all the work they used to get before they went to Guatemala for a cheap face-lift.

We could call it "Hack Job!"

I used to have such a crush on Ted Shackelford. Sad to see what he looks like now, but at least he aged gracefully

Was Falcon Crest the one with Ronnie Reagan's first wife?

Sadly, the only was for this to work now, they would have to explain why Val looks like monster. But, shit Gary was a Ewing certainly he could've bought her better plastic surgery than that...even JR wouldn't have done that to her.

The original show was terrific but they are too old now. This is a terrible idea.

DAAAMN r1! LOL!!!

Joan's bad plastic surgery would the elephant in the room

No way to have this much-wanted reunion show without addressing it

Maybe she had to go into Witness Protection and the government forced her to use a bad surgeon

Maybe she was in Nexvm-type cult where the leader forced her to have bad procedures

I just want to hear Lilimae's ethereal image say to Val, "Child, what have you done to yourself?"

They could pretend Val has crossed into another dimension

and show her only as an animation character with Joan do the voice-over

Gary was hot bad in the day

Too bad he looks a Mormon funeral home director now

Gary was fine as fuck.

Paging the Constance McCashin Troll.

Constance McCashin Troll to the courtesy phone please.

r6 yes, Jane Wyman.

Michelle Lee doesn't look good but of the three she is the least hideously disfigured lol

Joan Van Ark is returning to THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS as Gloria this fall.

Michael Fairgate needs to be gay.

I'M AVAILABLE!!

Joan van Ark's plastic surgery is awful, but she would look much better with different makeup. She needs a darker lipstick, and less black around her eyes.

Knot's Landing was the nighttime soap most like a daytime soap and is probably why it outlasted all the others. But I'm not sure if it was showy enough to warrant a reboot or some kind of follow up movie this far away from the original run.

Question, was Knot's Landing a suburb of Los Angeles?

[quote] Michelle Lee doesn't look good but of the three she is the least hideously disfigured lol

She’s almost 80. Donna Mills is 80. Ted Shackleford is younger than the ladies (75).

Do it as an audio drama. Problem solved.

So glad now

I'd didn't live out my fantasy of sucking Gary's cock and eating his ass

R21 it was in the San Fernando Valley.

r24, I also wanted to suck Gary's cock and eat his ass when he was 35. But I didn't expect to keep wanting to do it forty years later.

Yeah, put your penis and your perineum away, Grandpa

"But I was hawt in 1979, I tell ya!"

The reboot would be a huge success if they got Kim Lankford back and had her sing in each episode.

R29 her version is so much more memorable than Ciji’s. Though Ciji’s “New Romance” was an ear worm.

Joan Van Arc doesn't need to be anywhere around a camera.

"When a California wildfire burns through Knots Landing, Val survives — but at a price."

Wait'll they get a load of me.

[quote]Joan Van Ark is returning to THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS as Gloria this fall.

I'm assuming Gloria is burn victim who was disfigured in a grease fire...

R20, changing Joan Van Arc‘s makeup is about as pointless as shuffling lounge chairs around on the deck of the Titanic, dear.

I loved the show, but yeah, it's too late to a reunion at this point. Maybe 5-10 years ago and only if David Jacobs was heavily involved.

The Back the Cul De Sac reunion mini series they did in 1997 sucked because the person they had do it had no idea of the history of the show.

I can't fathom why they go to the trouble of a reunion and then hire a sucky writer. I heard David Jacobs offered to consult on the Dallas revival but they passed.

Unreal.

There were some good moments in the revival but overall, it was done by people who didn't know the show.

Maybe they could cross it over with that Munsters revival I've heard about and have Val and Gary as reanimated corpses. Alec Baldwin could appear as Joshua's ghost!

R37 the Dallas revival season 1 was great.

Why the terrible plastic surgery? The old bats have been around on tv since the early 70's, it isn't as if anyone is gonna think they are young starlets.

Joan Van Ark could be my sister.

It’s not that she had bad plastic surgery, it’s that she’s had so much plastic surgery! She’s been getting work done since the 80s! 30 years of face lifts and fillers etc. will start to look bad on some faces.

I loved Knots Landing so much. I missed that time so bad.

I think she started fucking with her nose around 1984. There's a big change in Val's face between S5 and S6. I think something similar happened in 1987, because her face changed considerably around that time, too.

I'm guessing Michele had a face lift around 1986.

R20 What is up with that lipstick color, anyway? It makes her look like she's not getting enough oxygen.

[quote]"Child, what have you done to yourself?"

"Sweetpea, what have you done to yourself?"

I tend to believe that yes, Joan's face is damaged beyond belief forever more, however, different make-up COULD help her look better... different lipstick color, different eye make-up, hairstyle and so on....

I think Michele and Donna look great. For God's sake, they're octogenarians now - they could be someone's great grandmothers! How many great grandmas do you know who look that good?

Donna is stunning

Considering the state of Joan's face, it will have to be a Halloween special.

The 1997 reunion was so bad that I forget it exists.

According to Ann Marcus, David Jacobs and Michael Filerman weren't very interested in making the reunion. They wanted Ann to write a script where a Sid Fairgate look-alike would have returned, posing as Sid, to break up Mack and Karen. Shudder. Don Murray, Michele Lee, and Kevin Dobson would have been unbearable in that triangle and over two nights? Forget it.

I would have liked a fake Sid. I love Karen

Van Ark just needs darker make up... she makes this odd choice to wash herself out with light colours that emphasize the work. Why paint your lips paler than your skin tone?

I love Karen, too, but I worry the guys would have hogged all the air in the room in that triangle.

My favorite Karen moment in the series was when she locked herself in the trunk of a Jaguar to solve a crime and exonerate another lead character. The way Karen so gamely hops into the trunk and closes it, crying out that she did it in a gleeful voice, is priceless.

I’m glad some posters mentioned that Joan started messing with her face decades ago. I remember then how dramatically different she started looking. This link isn’t the greatest evidence of this, but it’s the best I could find looking quickly.

Of course they want a reunion. Bette Davis and Joan Crawford and so many others couldn't resist working. But it will never happen for the Knots crew. Takes money and there is just not enough interest. The execs would want the story to focus on the younger generation...and not even Karen's kids, but Karen's grandkids: the 25 to 30 year olds. And we don't know the grandkids. The children were dull enough, but the grandchildren would be like launching a whole new show. So, the true potential viewers would see the core cast only 20% of the time, the rest on new people.

Also, the show started with Knots as a middle class enclave but everyone gradually got rich as the 1980s went on and the interiors of their homes did not meet the modest exteriors. I don't know if new viewers would understand rich people living in small ranch homes with neighbors so close. Audiences have been so trained today that houses define a character. And the show just cannot work away from the cul de sac.

Also, as OP said, Knots is not streaming, so no new fan base or older fans up on the intricacies. I would however watch an intelligently done cast reunion, with a good host who knew his or her Knots history.

I heard that Joan is in talks as host of a series they're rebooting. Tales from the Cryptkeeper.

What is it about those nose jobs that age so horribly? They're so extreme that as a woman's face ages. the tiny boneless noses have no support and seem to crumble into their faces. Joan's and Michelle's noses have the same issues that the aged Ann Miller's and Nanette Fabray's did.

I'm sorry but this is all very upsetting to me. I hope the cul-de-sac has faired better than it's inhabitants.

R21, Knot's Landing was supposed to be near the ocean, i.e., one of the LA beach suburbs like Palos Verdes. The actual cul-de-sac filmed for the opening credits was in Granada Hills which is nowhere near the beach.

Wasn’t Gary Ewing rich? He just decided to separate from his family and try and be his own man in a middle class suburb, but in reality I’m sure he had a trust he could fall back on if he needed to.

The 1997 reunion sucked because they couldn’t get Nicolette Sheridan to do it.

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With California property values where they are right now, having millionaires living in ranch homes (which are now probably worth over $1 million) does make sense, but…

What doesn’t make sense is a group of neighbors being this friendly in 2021. Who the hell hangs out with their neighbors like Val, Karen and Laura did today? It made sense when more women stayed at home, but now?

As someone mentioned above, the principal actors are too old or dead. The actors that played their children are in their 50s, and the only two of those actors with name recognition in 2021 are Nicolette Sheridan and Brian Austin Green. I don’t see anyone greenlighting a show with those two as the big draw.

This is the wishful thinking of three old bags, who haven’t realized that life passed them by on Wilshire, as they were driving to the plastic surgeon for another tuneup.

R64 Yeah but look at Desperate Housewives, they are hanging out with their neighbors

Can it be true that Ms. Joan Van Ark might grace my screen once again?? Give her the Emmy!

Have any of you even watched the clip that OP put up (and completely mislabled)? No one is saying they want a KL reunion show or reboot or anything of the sort to happen, they're just saying they would love to find something for the three of them to do together.

Michelle now has a gravelly voice. Heavy smoker?

Too much belting.

Sandra Bernhardt is currently in LA, staying with Michelle.

The OP link is an interview made in 2019.

Here's the most recent Knots Landing reunion a few months ago

[quote]What doesn’t make sense is a group of neighbors being this friendly in 2021. Who the hell hangs out with their neighbors like Val, Karen and Laura did today?

When was the last time you were in the suburbs? Oh they all hate each other and envy each other and try to outdo each other, but they still congregate. They usually come together via the children who go to school together and they develop relationships that way. If the children don't bring them together, it's usually the hatred for either a neighbor (usually a woman) or a particular house that they can't stand which unites them.

In these threads I always expect Constance McCashin to show up. Where are you Connie?

Knots Landing Cast reunion just a few months ago during the pandemic.

R72, Constance had the last laugh. I saw a picture of her with Bill Devane a few years ago and she still looks like Constance/Laura, just the older version.

Connie gave up acting to become a psychotherapist, so she didn't need to go the way of botox, fillers, and bad plastic surgery. Here's a photo from 4 years ago. She still looks great, having aged naturally.

Umm, you might want to get your eyes checked, R75. Career or no career, McCashin is pulled tight in that photo.

What is DL’s obsession with McCashin? Lmao

Because Laura Avery Sumner was everything in Knots Landing! R77

Laura, as an outsider with acerbic wit who never quite fit into the main group, was someone I identified with as a gay teenager.

She was always sort of isolated, even within the claustrophobia of the cul-de-sac.

Laura wasn't as melodramatic as Karen and Val or as sexed up as Abby.

Everyone knows who the REAL STAR of the show was once they were added… look at the one up front in white!

I loved Laura. Let it be know that “Red” was the love of Gregory Summer’s life, not that slutty Paige. Laura’s exit from the show was one of the saddest moments of the show.

Joan Van Ark doesn’t have a face left.

And to think I would have fucked Michele Phillips back in the 80s if she had asked. Although I'm really gay, I would have gone bi for her. So pretty and sexy.

R61 Gary wasn’t independently wealthy until Jock died. Before then, Miss. Ellie bought ALL the cul de sac houses (go big or go home) one of which was for Gary & Val to start anew after years of being terrorized by JR. (This detail was never brought up again…I mean are we supposed to believe everyone else in the cul de sac was renting from a Ewing Oil subsidiary?) But as far as Gary, don’t forget JR hired a bunch of good ole boys to literally steal infant Lucy away from dirt poor teenage Valene and deliver her to Jock and Miss. Ellie. Anyway, Gary and Val were game and Gary got a job selling cars for Sid. Lucy tried to give it a chance with Gary and Valene, but please: Lucy was way too spoiled for boring middle class Knots Landing. Damn, these plot points are giving me chills!

My cousin in Idaho named her daughter "Courtney Grace" so she could call her "Ciji" after Lisa Hartman's character on KL.

Thank God she realized that was a stupid name by the time the little girl was three, and instead called her Courtney thereafter. "Courtney" is a very dated name, but at least she doesn't sound like she was named for a trashy TV show character.

Laura became an interesting character once John Pleshette left as her husband.

R86 Remember when she was going to bars and picking up men in the middle of the day?

I need to rewatch this

R64 What. Ever. “The actors that played their children are in their 50s, and the only two of those actors with name recognition in 2021 are Nicolette Sheridan and Brian Austin Green.”

Why are gay men always obsessed with the aging of females? Straight men just accept it.

R90 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That must have been a joke.

Maybe they could set the new version in a retirement home--Val would be in memory care, which might explain her strange appearance. She would constantly be shrieking "MY BABIES! MY BABIES!" at the nurses who would have no idea what she was carrying on about.

I’m currently watching season 10 and Greg and Abby have agreed to get married for career purposes. The only “reunion” I can see happening at this point, what with all the remaining actors being gargoyles, is maybe some filming at the actual cul de sac site, and then some interviews with them all. Ted S. looks like he died about 2 months ago and was never told.

I never watched the show, I just wanted to see who the wax figure in the thumbnail is. Yikes.

I think there was a fear that Knots was going to be canceled in its second to last season so Van Ark grabbed a pilot; even tho it didn't get picked up the show wrote her out till the end.

I had heard, had she stayed, Val was supposed to go to the clinic where Laura died to research Greg's biography and she was going to find Laura there, alive.

That would have been great.

As a child, I enjoyed the Knots Landing reruns on TNT in 1991 and started watching the later seasons on CBS before it ended in 1993.

Around this time, my parents bought our first computer and it had a modem and we connected to the Prodigy service, which turned out to have a Knots Landing bulletin board. There were some really cool fans there and a co-producer on the show in those later years would come in and post and talk with us. Very nice guy and he can be seen in the series finale at the end, the new owner of the old Avery/Williams house.

Anyhow, he did a swell thing for some of us Prodigy fans and used our names in background/ADR (some were paged at airport, my name was muttered by a background player but you couldn't miss it). My parents thought I made it up because I had no friends. No, I was telling the truth and it happened as we were watching live on CBS.

"See?" said the little gayling with relish.

I joined AOL in college when I got my first computer in early 1996. I was in NYC and going to NYU. I had been a rabid Knots Landing fan and at the time, there were rumors going around about a reunion show or a TV movie. I had been going into some of the chat rooms on AOL and was perusing the list one night and I found a room called The Knots Room. So I went in, no one was talking, so I posted- Has anyone heard anything new about the reunion movie? No response.

About five or so minutes later, I get an IM from someone in the room. It was a photo. And you remember with dial up back then how long it would take for a photo to come through, so finally after 90 seconds, it starts to reveal itself and it was a nude middle-aged woman getting fucked by a dog. I was totally shocked and grossed out (and confused).

So I picked someone else in the room and IM'ed them and asked- Is this room about Knots Landing? And they answered- Nope. So I asked what it was about, and they said- Guess. I wrote back, I have no idea but some perv just sent me a photo of Mrs. Johnson screwing the family dog! He wrote back- BINGO! I still had no idea what "knots" meant so I asked him to explain.

Meanwhile, some guy came into the room and asked the same question I had about the Knots Landing reunion show. No answer. Finally, my helpful pal explained to me what "knots" meant in terms of dogs and fucking, and I was utterly horrified. So I im'ed the guy who had just come in and said- This room is NOT about Knots Landing. he asked me what it WAS about, and I told him, and the guy reported me!

R97 great post…and no good deed goes unpunished.

“This room is NOT about Knots Landing. he asked me what it WAS about, and I told him, and the guy reported me!”

R4 "How about a show featuring only the hideous plastic surgery failures sitting together on a couch telling each other how normal they still look?"

Joan van Ark and Donna Mills already did that part - with HOTEL's Shari Belafonte and DALLAS's Deborah Shelton in an episode of NIP/TUCK (S5E12).

R97, I'm dying, I'm dying, murder! Loved your story.

Considering how old Knots Landing is (premiering 42 years ago) it's astounding that the vast majority of the cast is still alive. For instance, Dallas premiered only one year earlier but four of the main players (Jock, Ellie, Cliff, and JR) are dead. The only main actor of Knots that leaps to mind as being decreased is Julie Harris. Am I forgetting someone?

R41 Odo, I'm your sister!

*deceased.

Kevin Dobson is dead, and Steve Shaw (Eric Fairgate) died in a car accident while the show was still on. But yeah, amazingly, all the original actors and just about all of the major players are still alive.

Lisa Hartman. Lisa Hartman.

Ted Shackelford drove me wild with lust when I was a teen gayling. I used to fantasize that I was their Latina housekeeper and that Gary would mount me on the kitchen counter. THIS was pure masculine beauty. Can you just imagine the whiff if musk and testosterone while he was working out? Yum.

R104 I can’t believe I hadn’t heard about Steve Shaw at the time. Jeez, he was only 25.

Black, dear. Lisa Hartman Black

R106 r107 Knots Landing. Sex and Death.

I am currently watching season 3. Sid has died and Karen is reluctantly dating again. Lilimae joins the cast. Gary and Abby have their first kiss! Guest stars include Don Stroud, Jessica Walter, and Gary Ackroyd (the original Gary on one episode of Dallas). Ginger has sung one song thus far. Diana (DL fave Claudia Lonow) has frizzy hair and is into aerobics and jazzercise.

R101 Mack. Kevin Dobson started later than Julie Harris but he was a main player.

And Kevin just died in the last year, so the cast really did stay alive and healthy for a long time.

RIP Julie Harris. I wish I could have met her and say and chatted about James Dean.

I know I'm in the minority, but my favorite seasons are 1 and 2. The way the show captured a feeling of community in those early seasons was really unique. I feel season 3 completely collapses without Don Murray's steady presence, and everyone seems isolated in their own little stories. Season 4 was highly entertaining, but it started going full-on soap, and that feeling of community began to fade.

R114, I agree. I loved the first two seasons. Season 3 is clunky, with too many ridiculous episodes. Ginger and Kenny are totally underutilized. But, I must say, Gary is at peak hotness. Hot AF!

Larry Riley did 99 episodes of the show. He played Frank Williams. A the time he attributed his drastic weight loss to kidney problems. After he died, his wife revealed the kidney issues were the result of AIDS. He died in 1992 at 39.

With Lynne Moody who played his wife on Knots.

R116 He withered away on screen, it was obvious the reality of the situation. But total class he was not fired.

Whaddabout William Devane?

Was Larry Riley bi? Wasn't he on the daytime soap The Doctors? A lot of the male actors on that show were gay and contracted AIDS.

We never saw Laura die. She'll reappear on the reboot...back from the "dead".

Where's the love for my incredibly hairy torso?

Larry Riley on the show during his weight loss. Poor man.

They could do something with these three women and introducing grandchildren (but don't forget the kids)

it's all in the writing so ....get a good writer (duh)

These women know their characters so well, it could work...

I wonder what that's like, having something SO HUGE and then...you're not working; not so much the financial realities but not having that weekly star thing going on.

Donna, Joan, Kevin, and Ted all slummed in daytime after it ended, even though they all, aside from Kevin, got their start in soaps. That had to have been a come-down. Donna remained great friends with John Conboy.

Donna, Michele, and Joan were on the same Nip/Tuck episode. Remember? Nip/Tuck is on hulu!

[quote]We never saw Laura die. She'll reappear on the reboot...back from the "dead".

If Laura can come back from the dead, then so can Linda Fairgate. After all, we never saw her throat slit, just her lying in a pool of blood. And then Karen can finally address her lesbian tendencies and attraction to Linda.

OMG, Linda Fairgate! Total blast from the past!

They did Linda dirty :( She was a rare highlight in the later seasons.

R117, if he had been on GL, I would have fired him. We needed Frank Williams to be a strong, virile man.

Laura was the most interesting of the all the female characters IMO. Richard/Laura marriage/relationship was really wonderfullyy complex, and they played that complexity for all it was worth. Constance and John Pleshette were probably the two best actors on the show in those early years.

I can't remember, was Richard beating Laura?

R131, not in seasons 1, 2, or 3. Maybe in season 4? Season 4 is when Ciji shows up!

Gary is hot AF in this IMDB.com link pic. Lucky Val.

No, Richard never beat Laura, but he became physical with Ciji when he walked in on what he thought was an intimate moment between Laura and Ciji. Richard was just an all-around loser, but Pleshette was so good in the role.

Ciji/Lillimae duet.

Where is Diana's boyfriend, Chip, today?

Isn't he married to fauxlez wannabe Crystal Chappell IRL?

R135 Good on Julie Harris for keeping Lilimae's Texan accent throughout the show. It slipped a couple of times in the later episodes, but she kept it up and softened it appropriately as she became more Californian. Unlike Gary, who started to drop the accent after the first couple of episodes.

Why did JR hate Gary and Val so much?

R133, most guys dream of big dicks; me? I'd love a big hot sexy chest to lay my head upon.

No wonder Gary and Val and Ciji and Cathy and Pat and what's her name's friend and Kate all wanted Gary.

Ted is rumored to have an exceptionally large endowment. There was talk here years ago about his fabled "third leg."

R138, Lillimae didn't have a Texas twang; she was supposed to be from Tennessee. However, Harris seemed to use a rounder Tidewater Virginia accent.

Harris' enunciation in reality was very refined and theatrical.

I love hearing about people watching for the first time or rewatching. Feel free to go on and on.

Season 3 is such a weird tonal shift. Even the color palette seems darker. I still think the haunted house episode is just a fever dream of Val's after seeing Gary and Abby take OIivia to Father's Night together. God, I loved that scene. 'I'm serving dessert!'

My favorite period of Knots is from the very end of S3 through the first six or so episodes of S4. There's something giddy about those eight or nine episodes where the show quickly retools, with oil fortunes falling from the sky and book launch parties and people buying restaurants and the mob and new boyfriends and lots of Gary-Abby sleaziness. I almost watch it like a miniseries.

MARY.

These Grannies can't even get their original show on DVD....

I agree about the dark look of season 3 versus the sunnier tone of seasons 1-2. I thought I was the only one who noticed that. I find the first half of season 3 almost unwatchable, which is dominated by Karen trying to pull things together after Sid's death. It was all very dull and plodding, and it really suffered from not having a strong leading man with Don Murray's departure. Things picked up in the last half with Richard's breakdown and the start of the Gary/Abby affair. Ratings tanked that year. It was probably only spared cancellation because of Jacobs' clout with the network re Dallas and the fact that his Secrets of Midland Heights had failed to catch on that year. Season 4 was sort of a rebirth of the show, though I preferred the episodic format of the first three seasons rather than the serial format from Season 4 and on.

I'd love to see a show that had their glamorous characters confronting the actual problems of real octogenarian women.

I was once pulling into the parking lot of Bristol Farms in Beverly Hills. My lights flashed on this creature coming towards me and I was like....what is that? Just some strange looking type of human I'd never seen before.

It was Joan Van Ark.

R147, that JVA encounter reminds me of the time I drove into a Popeyes drive-through at night and there was a man dressed as a sad clown in a satin suit standing in my headlights in the drive-through lane. I reversed out of the parking lot and went to the other Popeyes down the road.

R143 I love your MARY-like enthusiasm for Knots. It is a uniquely excellent show.

So who did Abby fuck? Richard, Gary, ex-husband Jeff, J.R., Greg, Peter, the Michael York character. Am I forgetting anyone?

Video of Hunt Block (Peter)....Such a beautiful man. Hard to believe he is almost 70....Never married?....How is that possible? LoL

R151 meh. He was just ok

I miss that time so bad, I hate hate hate the times we live in now

R143, you're totally spot on. I'm on the last few episodes of season 3 and, yes, things are starting to fly! First time watcher of, thus far, seasons 1-3. I was a tween when the show first aired...was mainly watching Chips, The Dukes of Hazzard, The Jeffersons, and Alice in the early '80s...but I do remember watching the "Val's kidnapped twins" and "Jill forces Val to overdose" seasons!

R153 I miss the simplicity of the 80s and 90s, even early 00s. By 2008 things started becoming over the top.

You lames don’t have to keep acknowledging Gary was hot. Everyone knows. That’s why Ted was cast as him. You think they were casting a fug to lead off the spinoff? No. They wanted a handsome, fit blond All-American White Boy playing that part.

He was a Ewing, after all.

R155 Yes, Exactly. And you know what? I know it's ridiculous and some would laugh at me but I'm often dreaming about the Time Machine. This is how bad I miss that time. Ff tomorrow someone announced such an invention, I wouldn't hesitate for a second, I would jump right in

^If tomorrow

R156, then explain Mac MacKenzie's total non-hotness! FU!

Gary looked so good in those blue bloomers they always had him wear in the early seasons

R159 was he the character to lead off the spin-off?

R159 Mack was fuckable, but he would have looked better without the hair piece. But not in the same league as Gary. Apples and oranges.

did I missed something? Of course Gary was hot.

Any clip of Lillimae butchering "Amazing Grace" at Joshua's funeral?

Richard, not hot. Mac, not hot. Gary, hot AF!

Nope, only this incredible Julie Harris acting R164

Omg it’s like people on here do not know how to read. It’s scary.

Gary the cheater was very hot, yup!

Gary was hot. We know. Jesus

It'll be like watching a bunch of shiny marionettes moving around with all those Botoxed and filler faces.

Joan pre-Crypt Keeper…

Actually they were going to go with David Ackroyd who had originally played Gary on Dallas. Ackroyd wasn't available, so they cast Ted. Ackroyd was anything BUT the blond all-American type. Ackroyd was probably the better actor, but looking back, he never could've pulled off the raw sexuality mixed with vulnerability the way Ted did.

When J.R went at Cul-De-Sac. What a diner hahaha!

Is Ted family or not?

R174 of course not. Dumb question.

Ted is not gay. He's been married and he was fucking Terri Austin at one point.

THIS is the most incredible episode in all seasons. My heart! Jesus!

loved the episode when val (presumed dead) came back in her disguise to surprise her best friend Karen..

what a reunion! i've tried to find this episode and scene on youtube, to no luck though..

This thread makes me mourn the loss of Soapnet. That's where I first watched Knots (and Dynasty). When they originally aired, I was a kid and had no interest.

DO NOT start linking full episodes on YouTube here. They keep getting pulled.

I will always love this Lilimae

R180 Eh? Really? what do you mean by that?

Someone posted the entire first, third and fourth seasons on YT during the pandemic, but they were pulled. The 14th season was on daily motion a while back, but I don't think there was much interest in that.

Fuckwad at r175. Not a dumb question. This is Datalounge. We get to ask shit like that. Have a seat.

Ted made my mussy wetter than the Nile River after a week-long rain storm.

R184 it is a dumb question. There is nothing gay about him.

I didn't know about that R183 why did they pulled them? Can we have some good things?

R181 what a great cliffhanger. Also great was when Eric slapped the shit out of Diana. She so had it coming.

^ Can't we

R187 that is the mystery. They enforce their copyright on YouTube but refuse to make the episodes available commercially. So frustrating.

There are still some episodes up. I would advise asking around on a soap board that has Private Messaging. Don’t post the links in public.

R186, your stupidity is almost supernatural in scope. Please stop it. And get some therapy.

R179 that’s how I watched it too. I was in high school when SoapNet showed it. So millennials in their late 20s/early 30s who saw it then are likely the youngest Knots fans.

I would pay $8-10/mo for a soap streaming service that ran Dallas, Dynasty, Falcon Crest, The Colbys, Knots Landing, and '70s-'80s CBS soaps. Anybody else?

Also, I want a Paper Dolls reboot/continuation. One of the loopiest prime-time soaps EVAR!

Lee had the nose job a lot of women had in the 60s/70s, the one size fits all model: Michelle Pfeiffer and Sissy spacek have similar nose jobs.

Mccashins bio says her and Julie Harris were let go because of cost cutting. They were much more interesting and compelling to watch than Sheridan and Phillips.

I think Michelle Phillips had some health problems the last few years

What, no love for Emerald Point (1983-1984)?!

[quote] says her and Julie Harris

Oh, DEAR!

The first two seasons on DVD were not commercially successful, so WB will not be releasing any more. Season 1 did marginally, but season 2 totally tanked. Dallas and Dynasty DVDs were big sellers, thus probably why they got the reboots. Knots was just never as iconic a show as Dallas or Dynasty. As has been said many times, it was basically a P&G soap stuck in prime time.

R195 R197

Julie Harris stole the movie I sucked in! Critics raved about how she was the only shining light in the puddle of bong-water that was "The Dark Half."

Her character wasn't even in the novel. They just invented her for the sucky movie, and cast that old crone so they'd seem less idiotic for hiring me!

It's been so long and nobody cares anymore.

Better that they do a Golden Girls or variety type show.

R200

Three of the old cunts are long dead! Even most of the supporting cast are long dead!

Here's a solid idea for television: Write some new fucking content! No more reboots, revivals, reunions, or rehashes.

The "I'm offended" generation will never know how good the openings from these shows were. Recently, David Jacobs, in the Cast Reunion a few months ago said that the foreign countries where Knots Landing was very huge were Germany and France. Even the French opening was pretty good. Very 80s.

(Don't worry they won't delete the French opening from Youtube)

Yikes! The French pop music in R02 is cheesier than Velveeta.

John Pleshette pings to me, he is Suzanne's cousin. He starred with Jonna Lee in the TV movie Shattered Innocence based on the life of pornie Shauna Grant.

It's an opening, not the French pop music you ignorant R203

Pleshette isn't gay. His ex-wife married David Jacobs before Jacobs cast him in Knots, so they all remained very friendly. Now Michael Filerman HAS to be gay.

R206, he looks like the downlow type of gay. Like a lot of married to women guys who like dick occasionally.

R202 Ah, Doug Sheehan. He was so sexy. He seems to have just disappeared.

R208 didn’t he get fat and play Cher’s dad on the TV adaptation of Clueless?

Doug was totally adorable.

Did Ben really die on the show or did he come back from the dead? I don't remember.

R211 he left to go to South America and then Jill manipulated recordings to make it sound like he was calling Val. When Jill revealed this to Val, Val said, “that means he really is dead.” I don’t think they ever mentioned him again after that.

A pic of Doug Sheehan from 2017. He’d have been in his late 60s then.

They should do a crossover event with Falcon Crest. I hope Jane Wyman is available.

Hot Irish men seldom age well.

I don’t think Doug Sheehan was hot. But he was boyishly handsome. I think the writers did a great job writing the Val/Ben relationship so it was believable that he was Val’s second great love after Gary. They, unfortunately, could not repeat this feat with the Danny Waleska fiasco.

This is silly, but the thing I loved most about Knots Landing was their final scene never ended in a freeze frame like the other nighttime soaps.

To me, the absolute best Knots Landing plot was when when Jill concocted her elaborate scheme to try and kill Val and make it look like a suicide. It was brilliant. She goes to San Francisco for a convention, picks up some dude, drugs him so he passes out in her hotel room, then drives to LA, forces Val to write a suicide note and swallow pills, then drives back to San Francisco in time to "wake up" next to the guy she picked up so she has an alibi.

And it all would've worked out perfectly if Mac hadn't seen Val through the window, passed out next to a pill bottle. He broke into her place and got her to the hospital in the nick of time!

R218 Yes. That was one of the best storylines. "Poor, poor Valene"

And oh boy, was Poor Val's retribution ever sweet!

Didn’t Val also get to slap Abby?

Anybody who was ever bullied can relate to what poor Val went through.

r221, Val slapped the shit out of Abby! LOL!!!

[quote] the foreign countries where Knots Landing was very huge were Germany and France.

I wouldn't say that's true. Cannot speak for France. But in Germany, KL only aired in the afternoon on a daily schedule like a daily soap (in the late eighties and nineties.) Dallas was on its way out when KL started in Germany. Not many took notice. But hey, it was never cancelled; they aired every episode and re-ran them for years.

Michelle Lee actually said in an interview that the lack of international success is the reason why there probably would be no reboot of the show. She called the show a national success but nothing of the sort of Dallas or Dynasty which were huge worldwide. She may want a revival, but she's always been very aware that it's not gonna happen. William Devane's take was: There is no reboot because the reunion special was fucked up by people who didn't understand the show (his words!)

Joan's make-up is horrendous, she needs a real pro to help her. I saw her up close a few years ago and it looked like at old comedy bit where some one gets hits the face with a giant powder puff.

Joan was on RuPaul’s Drag Race as a judge several years ago and she looked pretty good, much better than she had in years. Maybe she borrowed Ru’s makeup artist.

Summarizing 50% of the entire show, Abby to Jill: "Let the second Mrs. Ewing give the soon to be third Mrs. Ewing some advice. The first Mrs. Ewing doesn't go away - ever!" Best line ever uttered on KL.

Can we talk about hot Gary was?

R228, why, yes, we can. Go for it. Tell us about Gary's smokin' (pole) hotness in great detail!!!

Val slapped Abby so hard Donna Mills' face froze that way for the next three decades!

R224 Here is it David Jacobs talking about foreign countries where Knots was a huge show. I think they know better than you. Michelle Lee is also there. Donna Mills even agreed. This is the most recent interview from the cast.

I thought they already did a reunion show. Wasn't it called "Tales From The Crypt 2"? Donna Mills looked fabulous!

Recent pic of Connie and Michele.

Gonna nitpick R218. It wasn't Mack who found Val after the forced overdose - it was Frank, her running partner, who had seen the twins playing on the front yard unsupervised and suspected something was wrong. When they told him Mommy was "asleep on the floor," Frank dashed upstairs to Val's bedroom and called for help.

Also, Jill flew back and forth between San Francisco and LA - she didn't drive! Her plan would never have worked with a 12 hour round/trip journey!

A LOT of discussion went on among the writers to make sure the plot was actually feasible.

Abby and Val should've scissored. You know they wanted to.

R235 I'll give you Frank finding Val, but Jill definitely drove between SF and LA. She didn't fly.

R236 - this is stupid - I worked on the damn show - on that VERY EPISODE.

She fucking flew.

End of fucking discussion.

Funny how DLers always “worked on” shows out of thin air.

No you didn’t.

Go fuck yourself with a chainsaw, R238.

You don't know shit.

R237 If you had "worked on the damn show," I'm pretty sure you'd have led with that little bon mot.

GTFOH

Read my signature at R234, you fucking twerp.

R240 exactly. They never mention such a thing until someone challenges them and then suddenly they “worked on” the show or film as well, specifically that episode etc.

Look at that posters posting history. He never worked on that show, and has posts that imply he is a Millennial.

I guess he worked on the show since birth.

R241 that wasn’t your first comment. If you worked on the show why didn’t you disclose this much earlier?

R234, I'd love to hear about the planning that went into that particular storyline. I enjoyed 'Poor Val' more than the stolen babies and was surprised that, after a weak 1987-88 season, they came back with such a strong finale and momentum that lasted for most of the next season.

R241 Oh, well that settles it.

Now read my signature.

Jill had to drive back to SF because planes were grounded. See the summary at the link.

Okay, R237. Any comments on the write-up from R246? I mean, you worked on the show after all.

*snort*

R246 yes, I knew that too. Just like I knew that poster was lying. They’ve been commenting for a while, but not suddenly claim they worked on the show. Why not say that 100 comments ago?

And why does he claim to be a Millennial in some posts if he worked on the show? He was working on the show at 2 years old?

Does anyone else remember when CBS tried to showcase reruns hosted by the cast? This was in the late summer of 1989. They ran a handful of 'newer' episodes (they were all from S9 and 10, so I'm guessing those hadn't gone into syndication yet?) and had little intros from various stars out of character. They appeared to be in a bunker surrounded by Knots Landing artifacts and video tapes. It looked like my bedroom in high school.

At any rate, they re-edited the last two episodes of S9 and showed them as one episode, without any of the Santa Tecla scenes. I think Lynne Moody and Larry Riley covered the intro for 'The Perfect Crime.'

Who was the dude who went on the "watermelon diet" to cover his AIDS diagnosis?

[quote] At any rate, they re-edited the last two episodes of S9 and showed them as one episode, without any of the Santa Tecla scenes.

This is how most fans watch them anyway.

Actually, if you read that plot summary, it sounds like Jill both flew AND drove. She flew there, did what she came to do, but then the flights were grounded so she had to drive back. So both of the posters are correct and incorrect.

R252 And the "I worked on the show" poster is a liar.

I remember when Val was put in the psych ward after her so-called suicide attempt. No one would believe her about Jill (anyone who'd seen Jill drunk should have at least considered it, shit) with the exception of her senile roommate Sheila, played by Billie Bird.

Val coming out of her coma only to see Jill standing there... God, that was good. And then Jill got shoved out of the hospital room by said dotty roommate.

man, i need to get a bootleg of the full series and watch it again. Fuck the cheap bastards for only putting out the first two seasons on DVD. You cannot fucking tell me that Falcon Crest sold better than KL.

KL used a lot more popular music than the other nighttime soaps , because of Ciji/Cathy, and Anne/Mack later on. I wonder if that’s why it isn’t available.

I, for one, would be fine never having to hear Ciji/Cathy sing again.

R257, it certainly did come across as filler, didn't it? By 1984-86, I was fast forwarding her song sequences.

I hated Latham/Lechowick era. Their writing was very tongue-in-cheek, and it was if they were mocking some of the characters. I switched to LA Law at that point and rarely watched it again. The earlier seasons were played much more dead-seriously, even when the storylines started going over the top by S4 or S5.

Man, Larry Hagman was truly great as JR. Very handsome too!

Wow. What great acting!!!

Joan Van EEK!

I liked Lisa Hartman’s singing in season 4, but when she sang on Joshua’s show it became overkill.

Damn, who played Chip? Sexy!

Too bad they never had Julie Harris and Barbara Bel Geddes share any scenes. That would've been gay nirvana. I wonder if they would've had to shoot their scenes at different times and then splice them together, a la Jane and Lana on Falcon Crest.

R264 Michael Sabatino, who later played Lawrence Alamein on Days.

R266 thanks. Absolutely sexy!

The Leta Powell Drake interview with Miss Donna Mills.

Julie Harris truly elevated every scene she was in. She was a terrific actress.

R269 no lie

This photo is so cheesy. Also, too many blondes. It sort of washes out the entire image.

Young Alec Baldwin was a beauty

I never cared for Lisa Hartman's singing on Knots but I like when she has sung with her husband. Her voice really blends well with Clint Black's.

You know, the digital equivalent of the LucyMAME filters can work wonders these days.

R274 They haven't developed a filter to fix what JVA has done to her face. You could probably dig Lucy up and she wouldn't need as much filtering as Joan does now.

Knots Landing Drag Queens

They're too old now. They could be great grandmothers at this point.

"Seaview Circle" is really Crystalaire Place in Granada Hills (north SF valley).

Drag queen Abby is hilarious!

R277, we know. Been there several times. The owner of Karen's house invited me inside.

R26 Alec Baldwin was really great in that scene.

r279 That's awesome! Did it resemble the set for Karen's house?

R279, no, not at all. But the interior of the Falcon Crest house matches the studio set(s) for that show.

Years ago my friend and I went to Crystalaire Place.

Before we got there, he put that Television’s Greatest Theme Songs CD into his car’s CD player, and cued up the Knots theme.

We pulled into “Laura’s” driveway, as the owner came out of the garage. He suddenly yelled at me, “HOW DARE YOU SLEEP WITH MY HUSBAND” and slapped me across the face. Before backing out and driving away.

The owner of the house looked confused. I was annoyed. My friend laughed.

I hate the way the they always single out Karen, Abby, and Val as the central female characters. Laura was very important to the series too, and gave the show a unique voice. Yeah, okay, she didn't stick around for the entire run, but neither did Donna Mills, who only did a net of one additional season than McCashin. I think they tried to recapture Laura's wit/sardonic personality with Melinda Culeo's Paula, who probably came much cheaper than McCashin, but it just wasn't the same.

Melinda Culea, from "The A Team"? She was on KL? Terrible!

Where are Bill Devane and twink Pat Peterson? Who's the brunette behind Tonya Crowe?

[quote]Laura wasn't as melodramatic as Karen and Val or as sexed up as Abby.

But I could do a helluva pivot!

R287 Ha! I always loved Michelle's Greek goddess pose!

Why does no one acknowledge Ginger? Wasn’t she an original?

[quote]Who's the brunette behind Tonya Crowe?

Larry Riley

Ginger was useless on the show (first four seasons). Lame storylines, underutilized character...but Kenny was the show's #2 hot guy...after Gary, of course. 😍

There was hotter than Gary on the show. Young Alec Baldwin was far more attractive than him.

Love Lilimae!!!

Is this the show with Sada Thompson as the cunty passive-aggressive mother and SJP's father-in-law as the father with the odd-shaped head? Or am I thinking of "Kings Crossing"?

The 2005 reunion special no one watched

I loved Ginger! She was stunning! And her husband too!

The public’s perception of California now is a bit different than it was in the 1980s.

I also found Ginger to be gorgeous

I forgot Ginger husband name. Jeez, I know him! alzheimer is already attacking me!

Kevin? No.... I really forgot his name

What happened to Knots Landing Motors? Did Karen finally sell it? Did Gary commit arson for the insurance money?

Paul Carafotes (Harold) and Boyd Kestner (Alex) were the two hottest guys on the show for me. Too bad they didn't know how to use either one of them, though.

I enjoyed the later seasons a lot too, although the much maligned first half of Season 13 left a lot to be desired. However It wasn't all bad. Thankfully they turned things around for the second half.

Melinda Culea's Paula character was originally brought on to come between Mack and Karen, but viewers weren't having that and they eventually paired her up with Devane. She wasn't intended to be a Laura replacment. She wasn't particularly memorable, but there far worse actots and charaters than she was. Jean Hackney, Amanda Michaels, Joseph Barringer, Pierce Lawton, Benny Appleman and Vanessa Cunt, err Hunt were far worse. Thankfully most of them didn't last too long.

When Desperate Housewives started, I hoped in my heart that I would find the neighborhood atmosphere I loved so much in the first three seasons of Knots Landing. You know, the cul-de-sac mood... It was definitely not the same. It was good but different. They don't make them like the soaps from the 70's and 80's anymore

Well DH did have a familiar face from Knots on it r301.

R292 Kenny. Played by James Houghton. Very good looking, but the weakest of the original cast.

Wait, I thought Teri Austin's Jill was the one that was supposed to come between Mack and Karen. When the viewers weren't having it, they rerouted her into Gary's orbit. Or am I getting that wrong?

Whoops, my post was directed to R298 not R292.

Thank you R303 Kenny!!! Yes, of course it was Kenny! Jeez.... He was so hot!

(Dirty) Diana Fairgate never returned to the show after she split? How was she written off? Went to NYC to star on Broadway?

Kenny was supposed to be a total manwhore. He was fucking Sid's daughter in the pilot, but they toned that down after the pilot.

Kenny (James Houghton), is unrecognizable now.

He looks fine r309

Michelle Lee seemed so much older back in the day, but her plastic surgeon seems to be the most talented. If Donna had had Michelle's surgeon, she might look so much better. But Joan, well, she looks like a female Caitlyn Jenner, bless her heart.

R304 I think Jill was supposed to be just a tease for an affair for Mack, but untimately would't happen. Jill was originally intended to be a short term character, but Teri Austin impressed TPTB so they kept her on. Then they seen the chemistry between her Shackleford and paired them up. They were lovers in real life for a few years also.

I think the Mack and Paula affair was supposed to happen, or Karen at least thought it happened, to break them up for a bit.

Always interesting when a character is created with the intention of a short story arc or just a one season character but they end up popular with viewers or with producers so they’re kept around.

Ciji was supposed to be a one season character who is killed at the end of her debut season but she became so popular they kept her around longer. Devane's character was supposed to have an 8 episode arc then be gone but he became so popular he ended up on for 9 seasons, etc.

I thought it was a nice touch that they had a disabled actress on the show. I wouldn't know any other show that had a disabled actor on the payroll without much fanfare. Being temporarily disabled as part of a story, yes. But casually as unspoken part of daily life? Cannot recall it. Is there a show these days that has one?

Strange... Young James Houghton had blue eyes and the old Houghton has brown eyes.

They’re two different people you morons

Here's a recent-ish photo of James Houghton.

Why are you insulting me? This thread was cool. Don't start ruining it R316. Google James Houghton and you'll see the same old face I posted above at R309.

R317 Ah! THIS is Kenny! Thank you!

Again, you can watch the 2005 reunion special here, where the actors reminisce at the cul-de-sac.

Will they do another reunion like this in 2023 for the 30 year reunion since it ended?

Hot

WTF is this real? Lmao

Gary is still spanktastic! 😍

r279 I visited Spring Mountain Vineyard (Falcon Crest) in the late 80s; at that time there was a paved driveway in front of the mansion. The new owners have made it much nicer, the pavement in front has been replaced with a lush garden, as shown in this video.

Lmao

William Devane was by far the male actor of Knots

R324, Gary and Abby look like circus performers in that photo.

Gary looks great in that speedo. VPL and all

Yes, we got it Garrison Arthur Ewing was hot.

And just think...

Gary & Valene would never be the couple we all know and love if it hadn't been for Wonder Woman.

Joan and her original face played Joe's snobby ex-wife on Rhoda. Valerie would later go on to poach Danny Ponce, who played Laura Avery's son Jason on Knots, and cast him as her son on her '80s series.

Who had the better pivot? Constance McCashin or Susan Sullivan? Both were very forced IMO.

They lack your busted grill, Jan.

Constance and William

Connie, Bill, and that Nicollette person. This is from this past March. Where are their masks?

R299 IIRC she sells it in season 7 or 8. She wants to pass it on to the kids but Eric tells her he doesn’t want it.

John Pleshette claimed in an interview that he was the one who had the idea for Knots Landing Motors. He told the producers that the characters needed a place other than the homes and cul-de-sac to interact, so David Jacobs incorporated his idea. Looking back, that was never a place where the characters inter-mingled. I think the creation of the Daniel restaurant in S4 was a much better vehicle to have the characters interact. Too bad they dropped it at the end of the season.

R283 That made me think of when they were doing like a new reality soap every few months...I wondered why no one thought of basing one in that neighborhood...or buy those houses to film one in...

Why does no one ever mention the fabulous Kathleen Noone, who clawed her way from daytime soaps (All My Children) into prime time as Greg Sumner's cunty sister Claudia?

^Because the show was on its last legs and almost unrecognizable when dear Kathleen joined the cast.

They all did a Nip/Tuck episode and Joan Van Ark played a Jocelyn Wildstein character and Dr. Troy showed everyone his giant cock and surgery hijinks ensue. I loved that show...

UPROAR ON KNOTS LANDING, as co-star gets the ax after 7 years.

Laura’s character was played out by season 9 anyway. Honestly she is barely in the show from season 6 on.

Kathleen Noone was great on the show, but the writing for her character was all over the place, and often did her no favors. Claudia was most interesting when feuding with Anne. Noone and Michele Phillips had great chemistry and their dialog was very well written and entertaining.

[quote] Because the show was on its last legs and almost unrecognizable when dear Kathleen joined the cast.

Oh Devon, you couldn't even figure out how to eat pussy.

[quote] Is Ted family or not?

I think he's bi. A friend (who I believe) hooked up with him in the early-mid 80s. He was a top, and liked them young. But he was also with women so he swung both ways. And no, I give zero fucks if you believe me or not.

Lies r345

R233 - It's nice to see there's no hard feelings

R291 - Poor Ginger, she really was dead weight. But I did enjoy her episode (I think it was called Constant Companion) wherein the mother of a deceased long-ago boyfriend was stalking/tormenting Ginger for having aborted their love child years earlier. Lankford was actually pretty good in that episode. Overall, the Wards were always an afterthought and not well developed. They were lucky to hang on for four seasons.

[quote] Why does no one ever mention the fabulous Kathleen Noone, who clawed her way from daytime soaps (All My Children) into prime time as Greg Sumner's cunty sister Claudia?

Please! I'm trying to forget she was ever on the show. Did they seriously think Kathleen NoOne could replace La Mills? That would be like recasting Michele Lee with Linda Dano.

The 1980s paradox: sex was never more dangerous but men were never hotter.

The 1980s paradox: sex was never more dangerous but men were never hotter.

Patrick Peterson's birthday was Monday. Happy belated birthday, Patrick!,

All seasons are out to download.

Both of Karen's sons grew up to be hot. Shame about the one who died. He was in a Disney TV movie called [italic]Child of Glass[/italic] with one of the kids from Willy Wonka prior to this show's premiere.

I don't really care about these old broads (although Abby still looks pretty good), but back in the day I thought Doug Sheehan and Larry Riley (RIP) were so damn hot!

R220 It looks like Joan took some acting lessons from Betsy Palmer on how to play psycho in that scene. I thought she was going to decapitate Jill with those scissors!

R268. Donna was 40 in that clip. Gorgeous.

Didn’t Donna do her own makeup because she knew ways to keep herself looking younger than she really was?

[quote]Why does no one ever mention the fabulous Kathleen Noone, who clawed her way from daytime soaps (All My Children) into prime time as Greg Sumner's cunty sister Claudia?

Knots was filled with former soap actors. Van Ark, Shackleford, Mills (in one of daytime's most popular and biggest triangles), Baldwin, Noone, Haughton, Riley and probably many more that I'm forgetting.

I remember those dialogs between Claudia and Anne. They were quite entertaining, hilarious actually. At some point they overdid this type of dialog, but this one was the first I think.

I never found Donna to be as hot as everyone else did. I guess back then but now? Meh.

Is KL running on streaming services? I see "Dallas" all over the place but no "Falcon Crest" or KL

I believe Dynasty and The Colbys are on Hulu.

Dallas was on there too, idk if they still are.

KL is nowhere. And no, they were never as big as the other two anywhere in the world. Michelle Lee says that they had “good” ratings but nothing compared to the other two and hardly anyone would speak about their show because everything was about Dallas and Dynasty. KL was secondary to those two. One of the creators said KL “struggled” for a long time because they were always overshadowed by the other two.

Now that the streaming industry is starting to consolidate, I am hoping that services shift their effort away from gaining customers to keeping them. What other show type is better suited for that effort than a serialized soap? Here is to a new dawn of weekly soaps. (I refuse to call 2017 Dynasty a worthy soap, or even a TV show)

I think KL never did well in syndication/reruns. No reason to stream it if it’s not going to be profitable. But if they know it’s not profitable, they shouldn’t enforce their copyright so aggressively either. Just let it be “abandonware.”

[quote] I believe Dynasty and The Colbys are on Hulu. Dallas was on there too, idk if they still are.

None of those is streaming on Hulu, which only has the new Dynasty.

Dynasty and The Colbys very much was on Hulu at one point, with both being taken down.

I think original Dallas is in IMDb TV right now.

Warner Bros. owned Lorimar at one point so maybe KL will run on HBO Max. If not there perhaps Paramount+ since it was a CBS show.

The final verdict: KL is not streaming anywhere, Dallas is free on IMDB, The Colbys is free on YouTube (search for it, duh), Dynasty is not streaming anywhere, and Falcon Crest is not streaming anywhere.

Obviously there are no plans to reboot Knots. If WB was even scoping out a reboot, they would've made old episodes available somewhere, even on a pay per view basis, to get attention and an audience for a reboot.

KL is on YT but in French

[quote] KL is on YT but in French

And Val is still juste stupide poubelle blanche.

R373 Yes but Gary is hotter in French hahaha

You can set the subtitles in English in the right corner of the screen.

Season1 episode 1

Kenny was on The Colbys, season 2. Hot as ever. 😍

If you rewatch the early Dallas episodes where they discuss and introduce Gary...through the eyes of today. It really seems like it would be leading to Gary coming out of the closet...instead of moving to Southern California with his hillbilly wife.

R377 times have changed. People move non stop now, but then it was expected of you to continue life with/near your family.

R378I mean more the drinking...them going on about how he was closer with Miss Ellie rather than Jock...he was "highstrung"...Lucy could have been the result of a young Gary sleeping with a woman to figure out his sexuality...etc...

Instead it was Kit Mainwaring who came out of the closet.

Most men are straight. Get over it.

Thank you r381.

Yes, most men are straight, but they are also willing to experiment with the right guy. My current FB is straight, and married with two brats, and a third on the way. I give him something that wifey is unable to, and I'm more than happy to do it.

Well done r383, but I don’t see what that has to do with Knots Landing.

Fuck you, R381, and your fatalistic self-loathing.

R383, you live such a rich life. Lame ass.

R383’s anthem:

All 14 seasons of Knots are on youtube but unlisted, but are currently set to private by the uploader. You can only access them in their playlist. They do this fairly often, unfortuately. I think they do this to keep them from being removed by copyright claims. I need to get a new external harddrive and download them all the next time they're unlocked.

R388, not anyone. The episodes were removed this past Tuesday.

R389 They might have just set to private where only the uploader can see them. I'm guessing they found out it was linked somewhere and set it to private. They've done this several times before. They also renamed the account, so it could be back at some point. Check back a few times a week and they might have them viewable again.

Fuck WB for continuing to shove [italic]Friends[/italic] and [italic]Full House[/italic] down our throats while holding out on the great [italic]Knots Landing[/italic]. If MTM Productions had made it, it would have won 50 Emmys.

C'mon can you see some of these characters in close-up on a 75" TV in 4K?

R392 lol. The look of the original series starts getting more washed out in season 8 as the actresses demanded Vaseline on the camera lens.

By season 5, Donna Mills looked like someone doing a poor drag impersonation of her.

David Jacobs said that Diana Fairgate was the most hated character on the show by viewers. Not love to hate, like Abby, JR, etc, pure hatred because she was so damn annoying. She was really miscast. Unlike Pat Petersen and Steve Shaw, she did not look like she was swimming in the same genetic pool as Michele Lee, Don Murray, or Donna Mills.

Diana was very annoying, especially in seasons 4 and 5. I think they realized it was a mistake making her a main cast member. After the Chip storyline ended, mid-season 5, she wasn't seen very much, before being totally written out early in season 6.

Though to be fair, Knots real weakness was intigrating the younger cast into storylines once they grew up. The same thing happened with Michael, Eric, Olivia, and Julie.

They did a reunion in Palm Springs recently.

.....

A Knots thread is incomplete without Lucille Ball and Michele Lee's interaction.

R399 that interview is so cringe.

There's some queen who wrote a Knots Landing cookbook or did a Knots Landing calendar or something who was at that Palm Springs event and there are photos of him all over some KL instagram account (so I'm guessing her runs it), and he's practically got these three old bags in headlocks trying to get them to pose with his book/calendar thing.

It sure is. Lucy is not having it.

Lucy took a pin and pricked that pretentious twat right in the hot air valve and I love her for it.

Lucy was fine.

R398 Joan Van Ark doesn't seem to be the least bit bothered by the fact that she's aged horribly compared to her two co-stars.

She's terribly chagrined, you just can't tell because her chemical peel never healed.

R403, Lucy in this clip is a hint of how damn funny she could have been as a 'dirty old lady' type in an 80s sitcom. If only she'd been less dependent on the old persona, Gale Gordon, writers. etc. She's bawdy and bitter and fantastic here. This should have become her schtick.

R407 nobody wanted that from Lucy. It’s horrifying.

You're right, R408, lol. Our nation's collective unconscious was still recovering from the Here's Lucy puppet. It didn't need Lucy's Lady Elaine Fairchild act.

R407 instead Betty White used it…

Connie plays $25,000 Pyramid.

You mean Betty Slush.

I was not a fan of that long hair on Constance in R411. I think that was Season 3 or 4 hair. Before the mullet, which I also disliked but for different reasons.

Constance always killed on Pyramid. I can't see Michele or Joan pulling that off, though I love them dearly.

Quick note about Season 4: Ginger really hit her stride as a character that season, with Kim Lankford playing her as constantly irritable and near murder and full of eye rolls and smirks. Ginger's just done.

[quote] Though to be fair, Knots real weakness was intigrating the younger cast into storylines once they grew up. The same thing happened with Michael, Eric, Olivia, and Julie.

One of the biggest mistakes [ital]Knots made was writing out Olivia. She was groomed to be the new Abby, including being married to that lunkhead beefcake. Instead they abruptly send her to live in Miami for no reason whatsoever. And then they brought on the God-awful Stacy Galina and the gorgeous but vapid Felicity Waterman who both flat-lined.

How do you make italics on here? Clearly not like my failed attempt in 414

[quote] They did a reunion in Palm Springs recently.

R397 - There wasn't a straight man within miles of that event.

R416 I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't one or two...hoping to pick up Mrs. Mills.

The other year when she was on GH, my father was flipping through the channels and saw her. After figuring out who she was he said, "Damn...she's still hot!"

[quote] Joan Van Ark doesn't seem to be the least bit bothered by the fact that she's aged horribly compared to her two co-stars.

Miss Joan Van Ark is a Yale-trained actress. Yale, darling, YALE! Her ambivalence is a Master Class of subtlety.

On another thread they are talking about Jennifer Lawrence is playing agent Sue Mengers, whose first real break as an agent was when the then primarily stage focused Julie Harris signed with her because she wanted to do an episode of Bonanza, and more tv... Mengers arranged it and the producers had a special script commissioned. So...without her we might never have gotten Lilimae.

[quote] So...without her we might never have gotten Lilimae.

I could've had that role if it's weren't for that stuck-up ginger bitch! That's what I get for offering David Jacobs a blowjob.

[quote] One of the biggest mistakes Knots made was writing out Olivia.

I feel the opposite. To me they should have written her out along with Abby. I never cared for the character. I don't think she had (m)any redeeming qualities, so I could have loved to hate her. She was always unreasonable and confrontational for no reason. She was basically whining all day about her evil mother or inconsiderate boyfriend or whatever else rubbed her the wrong way. Urgh... When she was fighting Abby, I always rooted for Abby. The other aspect is that the actress was not strong enough to convey a multi facetted character that could carry her own stories. Not her fault. Like any other child actor, they were hired for their cuteness, not for their acting chops. But bottom line: When she left it wasn't too soon for me.

r421, but surely you don't think that Stacey Galina, Penny Peyser, or Felicity Waterman were any better? At least Olivia had history.

Remember when JR Ewing’s shooter Kristen Shepard came to KL and Ginger walked in on her and her husband Kenny having sex? It was implied that Kristen was giving him a blow job.

Remember Gary grieving over his brother Bobby Ewing’s “death”? Great acting by Ted Shackelford. Interesting that they never acknowledge he was actually alive.

Who did Lucy Ewing suck and receive on her one and only KL episode? She never returned to meet her half sibs, visit her grandmother, comfort her mom when her dad ran off with Abby, etc.? Now THAT is trashy!

It's funny, I thought Stacy Galina was more interesting in her two episodes as Mary Frances than in her three seasons as Kate. She at least had a little fire as Mary Frances and such a bore as Kate. I hated that they used her so much (along with Brian Austin Green) in the 1997 mini series.

R419, I'm imagining Lilimae playing her autoharp and trademark songs for Sue Mengers.

The reunion they should have is who got the worst plastic surgery contest. They all look like shit.

Oops, Lucy Ewing didn't have half sibs, she had *full* sibs (the twins). Still, she never met them. What a B!

My assumption was that Gary's affair with Abby, the separation and divorce, Val's book and tabloid publication of her life with Gary, etc. all caused a massive estrangement between the three somewhere in the middle of S4. At the beginning of S5, Val confides to Karen that she hasn't heard from Lucy in months and months.

Maybe Lucy just got sick of their Gary and Val shit.

Lucy was tired of Val trying to pass her off as her barely younger sister. Bitch please!

Does anyone remember why DL fave Danielle Brisebois was replaced as Mary Frances by the complete and total cipher Stacy Galina?

Stacy was 10 cents on the dollar.

Abby should have manipulated Gary into adopting Olivia and Brian, to ensure they received a Ewing inheritance. It also would have given them both a reason to stick around after Abby left.

I loved how Olivia had Abby’s number , even as a child. Olivia and Val’s relationship was interesting-Olivia resented Abby for keeping her away from Val.

I liked Olivia and her character was important as she humanized Abby.

Can someone give me a little context behind the Amy Carter reference in that JR interview? I know who she is but I'm not familiar and don't get why it was so funny.

Thanks

Ted Shackelford had a nice lean body the first few seasons, but by season 4 he was seriously packing on the muscle. Was that all natural, or was he juicing?

Where would it be filmed? At Shady Pines Retirement Village?

You clearly don’t know what a “juiced” up body looks like r436

R438 Larry Hagman 🥃🍹🍷

In one of the Lorimar threads years ago, it was suggested that Donna Mills join "The Hills." Someone posing as Nicollette then suggested they rename the show as "Over the Hills". I still giggle when I think about that.

R435 Can you tell me what JR interview you are talking about?

Was Michelle Phillips on this one?

Miss Van Aark, the sixties called and would like you to return the Pale Powder Pink Frosted Lipstick.

I'm pissed that Knots is pulled from YT. Thank god for my sack of shitty old tapes and the TV/VCR combo. Do I dare start over from S3's 'Acts of Love,' in which Gary and Abby fuck for the first time while Val and Olivia are stranded at a diner in the middle of nowhere because Val forgot her billfold?

John Pleshette said that he and Connie didn't get along so well at first, since she had wanted her real-life husband to be cast as Richard. Sour grapes on her part. He also said that he and Jim Houghton did not get along at all.

Were the four women the prototype for the SATC gals?

Karen = Carrie

Abby = Samantha

Val = Charlotte

Laura = Miranda

R446 no and none of them were alike.

The Golden Girls gals were more prototypes, and back then the two shows got compared.

Wouldn't Lucy be a little P.O'd that her parents dumped her with her grandparents?

When you grandparents are worth billions, while your daddy is a drunken loser and your mama is a waitress in a dive diner in Tennessee, it's really a no brainer.

Lucy was a pass-around ho in Knots Landing.

And Richard Avery clearly wanted to fuck her, too. Weird episode all the way around.

Was (were?) Cosmic Steeple supposed to be like a new wave The Monkees?

I don't blame Lucy, though. Who the fuck wants to go to Marineland with Gary and Val?

R451 I mean at least it could be Knott's Berry Farm.

[quote] Was that all natural, or was he juicing?

David Jacobs was juicing him regularly.

[quote] John Pleshette said that he and Connie didn't get along so well at first, since she had wanted her real-life husband to be cast as Richard. Sour grapes on her part.

I figure Constance didn't want to get straddled with a short, balding, unattractive TV husband. Constance McCashin was NOT a Vivian Vance.

[quote] He also said that he and Jim Houghton did not get along at all.

Talk about sour grapes. BTW, how the fuck did Richard bag Abby in S2? Huh? I know she was playing him for free legal help against her ex-husband Jeff but she should have been savvy enough to put out for that chimpanzee-looking man. He wasn't even hot enough for Laura.

Joan van Ark = 🤡

[quote]R59: I'm sorry but this is all very upsetting to me. I hope the cul-de-sac has faired better than it's inhabitants.

We're sorry but your post was very upsetting to us. We hope the English language has fared better than its user at R59.

Oh, dear.

Oh, dear.

Did they ever explain how Laura's face got pushed in?

Did Laura used to eat out Ciji and Cathy, or just Ciji?

R454 I thought it was realistic for Laura’s character that she would have a husband who wasn’t good looking enough for her. In the earlier seasons, she had extremely low self-confidence.

Valene gets called “the little engine that could” by Karen, but it’s just as apt a description for Laura, who truly transformed with her successful real estate career and started putting her foot down with Richard on occasion.

Donna Mills wears the worst lace front wigs now.

Donna still looks 39. It's like she hasn't aged a day since she joined Knots in 1980. Superior genetics + exercise + healthy diet must be the answer to looking eternally youthful.

[quote] Donna still looks 39. It's like she hasn't aged a day since she joined Knots in 1980. Superior genetics + exercise + healthy diet must be the answer to looking eternally youthful.

And a portrait rotting to hell in the attic.

Time is so fucking cruel.

R463 - OMG. Is the one in blue Tonya Crowe?!!!

Seriously, Michelle and Donna look fine to me. My mom (who's about their age) doesn't look anywhere near as good. Joan, well, bless her heart.

When Gary married Abby, I always thought it was sweet karmic justice when Abby’s daughter Olivia bonded with Valene more than her mother.

I still remember Olivia's crying scene when she learned that Gary banished Abby from the ranch, thinking she had to leave him too. True-to-life, Abby tried to guilt Gary with her broken-up kids.

In 1980 women who were stars in the late 30s did not look this horrific. They looked anywhere from surprisingly well preserved to elderly; with some pulled a bit too tight, but they still looked human.

I never ever liked Gary and Abby as a couple.

I think the brunette is Sean Young, isn't it?

R463 Aside from Joan, Michele and Donna look great for their ages. Michele is 79 and Donna is 80. We should all hope to look that good when and if we reach their age.

I don't think that's Tonya Crowe with them in that picture. Looks more like a fat Sean Young to me.

Is Donna a bitch IRL?

Not that I've ever heard.

The only nasty reputation I ever heard from Knotts was Nicollette.

R470 When did she start wearing her hair like that? That is the way the one that played Ellie Mae Clampett wore her hairi, n her later years. In fact...she looks like a brunette version of Ellie Mae.

I'm just a little bit curious about what some of you think these women should look like. Or is it that because they look like they look it calls into question how you look. Because time hasn't stood still for any of us, and I'm assuming that if you're posting on a Knots Landing thread you are at least in your late 40s. Tick tock, cunts.

I have no problem with how Michelle and Donna look. They look extremely good for their age and could pass for women much younger.

Joan however....

R474 no one is bashing these women for aging. We all do. It’s all the work they’ve done that is questionable. Joan in particular looks ridiculous

R474 is this.

Tick tock, asshole.

If you don't get it her, you don't belong here. And your attempt to replace your perception of misogyny with ageism and homophobia is going to keep you what you are. A phony.

R477, honey calm down. It's a thread about Knots Landing. None of us is here to try and reach world peace. Take it down a skosh. 😘

Grammatically, it is try to reach world peace. And I will [bold][italic]NOT[/bold][/italic] take it down a skosh about that!

Damn it, now I have to kill myself!

Hard to find images of Tonya Crowe today. These images are from 2016 when she was in her mid-40s. I'd say she looks really good.

Tonya is a Trumpster, covid denier and anti masker, or at least was last year.

Donna needs to go slap some sense into her.

R477 - Stop showing us your revolting Grindr pic.

[quote] I don't think that's Tonya Crowe with them in that picture. Looks more like a fat Sean Young to me.

I was joking about Crowe; I doubt she's still in touch with those ladies. I assumed it was some random middle-aged suburban fan frau.

I last saw Sean Young in a decent indie horror movie called Darling (2016) and she looked very matronly (which was also the role) but not especially fat. I linked a pic if it works.

R484 I thought it did kinda look like her, like it could have been her.

OMG, is Tonya a deplorable?! Please post the evidence! 🤮

I showed the photo to a friend who said the fat woman was the owner of the Hollywood museum.

[quote] gorgeous but vapid Felicity Waterman

Felicity was the loony nanny in that dreadful [italic]Titanic[/italic] miniseries with Catherine Zeta Jones and Marilu Henner. She overreacted horrifically. It’s still on YouTube.

R488 I know people who prefer the miniseries to the Cameron film

Really r489? I’m not one of them. I thought that it was terrible. Henner should have been waterboarded for her inept and hammy portrayal of Molly Brown. And Waterman was equally craptacular. Then the ship sinks she lets loose this feral wail as she holds the baby of the family she works for. Her acting throughout was ghastly.

Felicity Waterman was no Fiona Hutchinson. That's for sure.

R490 I liked the film better too, but do know people who liked the that tragic tv one more. Idk why.

My mother was one of them.

Wow, a Titanic mini-series sounds terrible. Why would anyone want to watch that? 🤮

Because cast member from KL was in the miniseries r493.

I don't even remember Felicity Waterman from KL. I know who she is, I ONLY know her from KL, but I can't picture her, nor do I remember who she played.

OMG! Donna Mills looks like a freak. Who would do that to some poor old lady.

She's a cross between a bad Barbra Streisand and that Cat Lady.

She needs to be locked away so no one has to look at her. They'll just turn to stone if they do.

R486 Just looked at the more recent posts on her facebook page. She also liked the page "Donald Trump For President."

And for anyone who doesn't want to go facebook, check out who Tonya follows on instagram. Republican shitstains galore.

Ok, now that Tonya is dead to us, let's move on. Whaddabout Johnny Rourke? Where is he now? Is he deplorable? Is he a rude gay?

Caption this.

You haven't heard "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" until you hear Ricky Schroder sing it:

I always found Tonya Crowe to be rather homely. Mills must’ve made sure that whoever played her daughter couldn’t be as attractive as her.

[quote] I know people who prefer the miniseries to the Cameron film

R488, I know people who would prefer sailing on the Titanic to the Cameron film.

[quote] Wow, a Titanic mini-series sounds terrible. Why would anyone want to watch that?

Please! No spoilers!

@ R500

"You're fucked!" - Betty White

R501 -

Oh Dear, Michele Lee really was a Karen and that husband is gay, gay, gay!

R502 - Yes, I'm sure that Donna Mills was petrified that she would be out-sexed by a nine year old.

I always got a lipstick lez vibe from Donna Mills. Ya sort of had the feeling that Abby fucked Gary, Greg, etc., solely for money and power, but it was Karen she really wanted to scissor with.

Rumor has long been that Donna Mills is a lesbian. A friend of mine (yes, I know) ran into her at an LGBTQ fundraiser back when Knots was still on the air, and she she was there with a female companion with whom she was clearly intimate.

Personally, couldn't care less one way or the other. At least she was her then-cache to support gay rights.

Imagine how different the show would have been with Penny Marshall cast as Laura Avery.

This was never a thing, was never going to happen, but yet I wonder.

Sort of like if Elder Lucille Ball has been cast as Lilimae Clements. Gary and Val's house would have reeked of cigarettes and there would have been a subplot about Momma having to go smoke out back and her growly-voiced resentment of her dim bulb daughter and that jellyfish husband of hers.

Will Brad Pitt reprise his role as Randy from Dallas?

If they can bring back [italic]Smellgross Place[/italic], they can bring back this show which makes them look like the overpriced ghetto they always were.

Can David Jacobs get Halle Berry to reprise her role as Debbie? That would be a great selling point for a Knots reboot.

I don't think Halle has been very busy lately so it's possible.

R509 I've heard that rumor, too. Never married, but does have an adopted daughter.

She's part of the Lezlie Charleson/Jane Elliot/Dee Hall clique. She used to accompany her pal John Conboy to events throughout the 80s and 90s. Make of all that what you like.

Ted Shackelford or Alec Baldwin? Which one would you have preferred to fuck when they were at the peak of their masculine beauty? I'd go for Ted, since I have a weakness for blond surfer types.

R517 I’m also gonna say Ted.

There were many other gorgeous men on this show. The man who played Ginger’s husband was very sexy. Chip was nice. Etc. you can find many attractive guys

I am watching Gary in an episode of "Cybill" (season 4, ep 14). He was still scorching hot in 1998. Hot damm! 🔥

R498 Glad her career is over. Cunt.

ugh, that dreck.

Tonya was a very good child actress but somewhere around her promotion to ingenue in 1985-86, her performance became super whiny and unfortunately mannered. It was like she started taking acting lessons and ruined herself.

I wasn't sad to see her go in 1990. They sort of tried to make her more Abby-like, but she played it at sitcom level and just didn't have the chops. Lar Park Lincoln was doing the NuAbby thing much better. Tonya's dramatic work was sitcom-level. God, I hated Harold and Olivia's poverty storylines/bits.

In the early years of Knots, I assumed Brian Cunningham was slow, like Carrie Ingalls. When the Notorious BAG took over the part in 1986, Brian was suddenly articulate, outgoing, lively, etc. Before that, he was kind of a slug and had about three lines each season. Even the legion of Jason Averys got more to do.

"Harold" is a terrible prime-time soap name.

R520 it was only like 4-5 years after Knots ended.

Harold was hot as hell though (too hot for Olivia). The hottest guy ever on the show besides Boyd Kestner to me.

Harold was fuckable.

I liked the abused kid that Karen and Mack adopted. Forgot his name but they didn’t do enough with him.

Shouldn't they all be dead by now?

Whose got the recent Pat Peterson pics? Or nudes, whichever?

Were there any Dallas crossovers besides JR, Bobby, Lucy, and Kristin? I could swear Donna (fundy Susan Howard) made an appearance, but I could be wrong.

I think it made sense they didn’t have tons of crossovers because the family lived in TX. While rich, they wouldn’t be flying to California every time they need to speak to Gary or Val.

We’ve posted Pat Peterson’s appearance on Circus of the Stars before. He showed major dong in his tights.

When is JVA returning to Y&R as realGloria?

For R530

Is Pat Petersen gay?

Did Joan ever do anal?

Yes, Pat is gay. His life is pretty low key.

He's married with two kids and runs a health food business.

R539 Man-married or woman-married?

Man. Rinse. Repeat.

Woman married. He married his high school sweetheart in 1995.

Can I be The Stacy Galina Troll? I promise to do a good job if chosen.

There is definitely room for a Stacy Galina troll.

Pat Petersen peaked in hotness around 1988 and the Santa Tecla garbage. By late 1989 and Linda, he was coming across as a mama's boy and the hotness was gone.

Isn't a Stacy Galina troll an oxymoron?

Lawd have mercy. He is definitely the son of Dong Murray.

The video of him performing on the trapeze is way more revealing than these pics.

R547 His segment starts at about 57:33. Wow.

R548 Dayum! Looks like he has a hardon. You can even see the balls!

I haven't seen a Knots kid flying that high since Claudia Lonow!

Was Karen fucking Mr. Ed while Sid worked late at Knots Landing Motors?

R1

cobain's corpse prob looks better

What was Constance thinking with that mullet in season 4? She was thin to begin with, but after she lost the baby weight, she was scary thin for a while, and that hairdo just accentuated her sunken facial features. Then she had that perm for a while, which was aful. She looked much better with her trademark longer hair. I think she looked her best in season 3.

What is a "sunken facial feature"? Show it to us on poor Constance.

[quote] What is a "sunken facial feature"?

It's when the splooge gets absorbed into your face.

[quote]R528: I liked the abused kid that Karen and Mack adopted. Forgot his name but they didn’t do enough with him.

His name was Jason Lochner, played by Thomas Wilson Brown.

And he's aged abysmally.

Mack opens up to Jason? Does Karen know about this yet?

Couldn’t the producers have found a way to cut the budget other than dumping Laura and Lilimae. It’s not like either of them were in every episode. I hated that Lilimae wasn’t brought back after Val overdosed , or “died,” or was battling Danny Waleska- she should have been there to support her grandkids.

Aunt Ginny was a fine replacement. Betsy Palmer was amazing. I was like, Julie Harris who?

Long hair doesn't look good on older women, unless it's put up. Someone needs to tell Joan...

I wouldn't label Joan exactly an older woman. It's not like she's 85 or 90 sitting in a nursing home making lanyards all day, for heaven's sake.

Joan Van Ark is like 98 years old and is rocking a middle part!

Oh I hated Aunt Ginny. Nothing against Betsy Palmer, but it was a weak substitute for Lilimae (and a slap in the face to Julie Harris, who gave that show some much coveted class).

Aunt Ginny was so loud.

I liked when Lilimae went bonkers for a period in S5. I hated how they wrote her after Joshua's death.

Aunt Ginny was a big ol' country dyke. She scared the hell out of Paige.

Jim Houghton once said in an interview that most of the cast was intimidated by Julie Harris and maintained a bit of distance, except for Kim Lankford, who basically had no idea of how big a star Julie was. Jim said that Kim was the first person to knock on Julie's dressing room door. She introduced herself and welcomed her to the cast, and they became fast friends.

Bump

What was the point of Kenny and Ginger?

Joan is 78, r562...This does make her a "senior citizen"

The great thing about JVA these days is that she could be anywhere between 78 and 150 and no one would know because aging is not the problem...As they say: when you get older you have two choices: To look old or to look weird.

I always considered Knots Landing, the older version of 90210, with similar characters and friendships and bonding mixed with the obligatory soapy theatrics and social issue stories

Melrose Place was way too over the top, campy and mean spirited tonally compared to Knots or 90210

But KL lasted long. Longer than anyone thought that it would. The characters were much more relatable than the characters in [italic] Dallas & Falcon Crest[/italic].

R569 Kenny and Ginger were supposed to be the young, newly married couple. You could always tell they were afterthoughts to the show runners/writers though. It was pretty telling that they didn't appear after the pilot episode until episode 4. Ginger did get some decent character development though overall. You got some of backstory and could understand her motovations. Kenny was pretty one demensional though. Both were disposable though, and their departure was no loss really.

I wanted Gary and Kenny to spit roast me, while Richard jerked off his super-hairy cocklet in the corner.

Will the circle be unbroken, bitches? WELL, WILL IT?

R575: I wanted a hot tub orgy with Ben, Mac, Gary, and throw in one of those sons, preferably Michael. That would’ve been a massive Meat Fest.

Will you be tuning in to see Joan Van Ark reprise her role as the original Gloria on THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS?

Actually Joan will be playing Kay's long-lost grandmother Clara Reynolds, who comes to Genoa City to lay claim to the Chancellor fortune.

Has Nicollette moved up to be more than a six on the "Abby Scale" yet?

Constance was the Cynthia Nixon of her day.

[quote]Didn’t Donna do her own makeup because she knew ways to keep herself looking younger than she really was?

Donna gives step-by-step makeup instructions in her video. And her beauty routine puts to good use a cucumber, laxatives, and yogurt spread.

[quote]And her beauty routine puts to good use a cucumber, laxatives, and yogurt spread.

EXACTLY like my masturbation routine!

A reunion for a show that only people in nursing homes remember? I don't think so.

I remember one of Knots' funniest moments was when Greg tried sneaking in on Abby in the shower, trying to catch her without make-up on, declairing "Gotcha!" only for Abby to turn around, fully made-up, blinking her meticulously made-up eyes at him and giving him a coy smile as he frowns in dissapointment. Too funny.

[quote] Constance was the Cynthia Nixon of her day.

... and the Dorothy of soaps.

Wasn't there an episode where Abby wakes up and you can see a perfect imprint of her entire face and eye-makeup on the pillow case?

[quote] only for Abby to turn around, fully made-up, blinking her meticulously made-up eyes at him and giving him a coy smile as he frowns in dissapointment

I don't remember this scene. Did that really air? That's almost breaking the fourth wall. Must have been in one of the later seasons.

R588 season 10 to be exact. It was a little too cute/too clever as the later seasons tend to be, but it worked.

I loved that they played the Fargates as a regular nuclear family those first few seasons. That element kind of faded away when Don Murray left.

That's because the show got more soapy after Murray left.

R591 a similar thing happened with 90210

The early years were mostly self contained episodes revolving around the wholesome Walsh family then its spin-off Melrose Place took off and 90210 became more soapy and now serialized to compete with Melrose and the Walsh parents were soon written out

This has been one of my favorite DL threads, right up there with the Family appreciation thread. I hope someone will continue it with a #2.

Poor Tonya Crowe. The only season she was elevated to the opening credits was the season they went without cast shots, and instead used that stupid sand castle. They probably did that so that viewers wouldn't be reminded that Donna Mills had just left, but still it was stupid. However, this is the worst of their opening credits IMO. So fucking pretentious. And Connie's pivot is the worst pivot in the history of opening theme pivots.

[quote] However, this is the worst of their opening credits IMO. So fucking pretentious. And Connie's pivot is the worst pivot in the history of opening theme pivots.

That’s what you focused on? Not JVA’s hair?

[QUOTE] Wasn't there an episode where Abby wakes up and you can see a perfect imprint of her entire face and eye-makeup on the pillow case?

Yes, and the time when Greg had sex with her pillow never noticed the difference.

Agreed, R594. That pretentious, faux-Leroy Neiman painting with the oh-so-precious artsy black and white head shots in dramatic turns was incredibly cringe-worthy. Favorite all time was the floating boxes (season 4-8?), then the cast shots inside the cul-de-sac (seasons 1-3?), then the sandcastle. They also did kind remake of the floating boxes later on with very 90s color frames... meh.

R580, that "6" was a GIFT!

Time to end

this thread.

I hated the sandcastle opening

Granted, Constance's head twirl was no Susan Sullivan on Falcon Crest, but I wasn't expecting to see her at all once news of her exit came out.

If they had gone to Connie and said, 'here's what we're paying Samantha Sollers and her husband and daughter; we can pay you that much.' She might have stayed.

I heard a rumor that if JVA had stayed for that last season, Val would write Greg's memoir; she was going to go to the hospital where Laura went to die and FIND HER THERE.

Remember they lost her body after she 'died.'