Ann's Crisis

She’s awful

I'm not going to watch that so tell me what her crisis was? Ran out of Henna Rinse? Batteries in her vibrator died? That mole on her left tit is now bigger than her nipple? Do tell...

Duh, R2 -- she's turning 36.

OMG, 36, can you imagine? Oh, the humanity!!! I watched the entire series (nine LONG seasons) on Antenna TV last year. Painful

I just started watching the series last night, after years of reading the Bonnie Franklin threads.

I fucking hate her as Ann. It just wells up in my soul and it started the minute she started bitching about no one buying her crappy make-up except a guy. Maybe because you're a shrill, metallic bitch, Ann. That could be it.

Having said that, I will continue to watch.

[quote] she's turning 36.

Again? Christ she's been 36 since Nixon was elected.

She really has it in for Julie. Did she remind Ann of the father?

Julie seems like an average kid who gets into trouble sometimes. Not 'Dammit, Julie' material at all.

Ann hated that girl.

Sad story about Franklin:

Many years ago (early 2000s), I was working as a concierge at a very ritzy 5-star hotel in midtown Manhattan and it was common for celebrities to walk by. However, one day this dirty-looking rumpled homeless person enters the lobby and I'm thinking how the fuck did that get past the doormen? Then I look closer and I shit you not, it was Bonnie Franklin. She was wearing a super-cheap plastic-looking orange winter coat with stains on it, and her hair was all over the place.

R8, would you say that she smelled like dirty panty hose?

Julie was, what, 17 when the show started? If this is from season 3, that means Ann was herself 17 when she had Julie, right? That's why she hates Julie: girl stole Ann's youth.

R9 I wasn't that close to her to smell her, fortunately.

The best part is at @ 16:10 when people are disco-dancing with abandon in the living room.

The long soliloquy is so strange. Is it supposed to be taking place in her head? or did the writers think people really talk out loud to themselves like that?

It's weird to me that their apartment building has so much traffic noise outside of it. It seems whoever was directing the show thought it took place in Manhattan rather than Indianapolis.

Ann didn't need plastic surgery, but she did need a better hairdo. No wonder her plastic surgeon was dating a college-aged girl instead of her--Ann looks like she's wearing a bright orange mushroom cap on her head.

That was very BROAD-way.

Good point about Ann hating Julie, R10.

R8, years ago, someone on a DL thread said Ann/Bonnie looked like she'd stink of dirty pantyhose and I've never been able to forget it. It's the first thing that comes to mind when I see her. After 'TOO MUCH.'

I think the smell of those dirty pantyhose turned Glenn Scarpelli into a gayling.

Someone should turn that episode into an opera, so Ann's soliloquy can be an extended aria.

In season one, Schneider is just a one-note, disgusting lech, hitting on and making gross remarks to Ann. By season two, he has a personality transplant and becomes the family's loyal, protective, and trusted friend. The writing on the show was all over the map during its nine LONG seasons!

Do you suspect Franklin was thinking, "This will get me an Emmy, damn it!"

The show required quite a bit of suspension of disbelief. Such as the idea that three women could share one bathroom with no one getting pushed out a window eventually.

I heard she was a really nice person....which makes it so much harder to enjoy hate-watching this. But, I will.

Force yourself, R21

R19, she's thinking that in the pilot. She's thinking it in the intro, when she leaps into the air.

Michele Lee had a similar obviousness when she'd go for the Emmy.

I think I need high and continue with this series. I didn't laugh once in that damn pilot and that augurs well for a hate watch.

Absolutely horrible and her stupid laugh in the mirror..

I loved it!

If only Bea Arthur could've played Ann Romano. She knew how to make a soliloquy work.

Bless you, OP. This episode is DL legend. The Bonster in its ultimate form, traumatizing gaylings for decades to come. I had no idea such a violent trainwreck could be in accordance with Youtube's content policy.

R23, funny you should mention Michele Lee. Both she and Franklin were received their once-only Emmy nomination in 1982. They both lost. Franklin lost to Carol Kane ("Taxi") and Lee lost to Michael Learned ("Nurse'). However both Franklin and Lee had the last laugh as their series went on and on forever while both Kane and Learned are more or less forgotten.

How did Mary Louise Wilson describe Bonnie? Something about closing her eyes and tilting her head back in self-adulation?

MLW being cast as Louis Creed's rich bitch mother-in-law in Pet Sematary was a scream. So random and what she does with her two or three lines is pure MLW. In a horror movie.

Bea Arthur was an amazing actor, both in comedy and drama -- and she sang too. She had a preternatural sense for comedic timing.

Interesting, R27. Michele sure went hard for another nomination in 1983-84 with that pill addiction storyline. Hell, she was in the rafters that entire year. It came off more as demonic possession than addiction.

Public Service Announcement: "Alice", also on Antenna TV, is much more watchable, funnier, and more enjoyable than stinky ODAAT.

I absolutely love how the thumbnail looks like a still from a horror movie.

Linda looked ready to kill Lutter at the end.

Terrible actress.

[quote] I absolutely love how the thumbnail looks like a still from a horror movie.

Well, it kind of was the precursor to American Horror Story

R30

Fourteen fucking years on Knots Landing and still Michele Lee couldn't grasp the concept of playing it small for TV. She might as well have had Boar's Head stamped on her forehead. I can't imagine what Julie Harris was thinking when they shared a scene.

I'm so glad I didn't know 36 is the end of life when I turned 36 seven years ago. Avoided that crisis.

R37

Bad news. 43 is the new 37.

r37 You're not a woman! You don't know what it's like to turn 36 and know you won't be able to wear a bowl haircut much longer!

R38 Oh, FORTY-THREE! MIDDLE AGE! FORTY-THREE!!! WHY!!! WOE!!! WOE, WOE IS ME! WOE AM I!! WHY, OH WHY?!

FORTY-THREEEEEE!!!!!

She was such a snatch in the show and perhaps in real life?

R39 One way we gay men and women are alike is that when we hit age 30, we get half the attention from men we got from 18 on. And by 35, it's down to 10 percent and by 40, it's over, except from men over 55.

Annie should've slapped someone!

That woulda cheered her up!

She should have went on a slapping rampage at the party,bitch slapping every guest dancing while screaming, "I'll show you 36!"

I watched another episode a few months back when Julie leaves Max and the baby and Ann is sitting down with her Mom and she yells out, fist clenched in drama, "Damn her!"

It was hilarious

I coulda showed her how it's done.

To be fair, since Ann was basically a child bride, 36 was a bigger deal for her in 1974 (or whenever this is from) than it would be today. Its hard to remember that divorced mothers as the major breadwinners in the family was just starting to be a thing in this time, so Ann would have been secretly thinking that the best way to get her and Julie and Barbara out of their situation would be to marry again, and marriage was a deep anxiety in those days if you were over 35. Remember the infamous Newsweek statistic from a few years later that turned out to be w rong but was widely reported, that wmen were more likely to be killed in a terrorist incident than get married after age 40? That freaked out a lot of women.

R46 And made them join the Symbionese Liberation Army

Like mother, like daughter.

Middle-aged meltdowns are hereditary, even among TV families.

The scene R44 referenced is kind of ironic. Julie made a mistake in getting married and having a kid way too early. Actually, she made the same mistake that Ann made. Ann had tried to raise her girls to be independent, but she must have felt that she failed Julie when Julie made the exact same mistake. But...Julie put herself first, and she ran away from her life of indentured wifedom and motherhood. It was a horrible thing to do to her husband and baby. But what does it say about her feelings about her mother's life. Julie must have thought that Ann's life sucked, and that she was running away to avoid ending up like her mom.

This is Ingmar Bergman-level existentialist dread. She deserved an Oscar for this performance.

It’s no coincidence that Franklin and Lavin could one wrangle single Emmy nomination each for long running series of close to 10 years. They were just too obvious with the big dramatic or comedic moments. In Franklins defense, the writing really is bad for her soliloquy. But she couldn’t find the nuance and beats to play it as written. She comes off as bit of a lunatic. That’s why a more skilled performer like Bea was able to nail hers on Maude.

Only wrangle one ^

God, she was insufferable. One of the most grating "actresses" to ever stink up the boob tube in the 1970s and 80s.

Bea's episode on the pyschiatrist's couch was FLAWLESS.

Don't know if she won an Emmy for that specifically, but she damn well should have.

It closed after six months. Everyone in show business preferred Marie's Crisis.

Damnit, R5! Damnit Julie!! Damnit Schneider!!!

David was fat n ugly. But he was a lawyer who drove a Honda Acord.

One Day At A Time episode entitled "Barbara's crisis" won the Emmy for outstanding directing

Wrong thread, sorry

I'm guessing "damn" and "damnit" were really pushing the envelope for broadcast TV in the 70s, yes?

I was born in 78 and I recall how shocking it was to hear cursing on cable TV when it came around. I was really shocked years ago to hear "fuck" said on FX because it's basic cable, and I didn't realize that it doesn't have to abide by the same standards as broadcast TV, but even so, that was pushing it for basic cable.

I can't imagine "damn" being said in I Love Lucy. That would have been shocking. But wife spanking was normal and it went totally under the radar to Christian Americans that Ricky Ricardo sang a voodoo-esque song dedicated to the African god of plague, Babalu-Ayé.

They couldn't even say the word "pregnant" for a married woman on I Love Lucy.

Ann's Cry-sis would be a better way to describe it.

Her pussy stunk!

I really shouldn't be watching this before bed. She'll be singing in my nightmares, in those pants. Worse than Freddy Krueger.

[quote]She should have went on a slapping rampage

Oh, dear.

Remember that one year she infiltrated the Tony Awards with those weird, mug-cradling voiceover interjections? Anybody else would have been uncomfortable listening to themselves read terrible, navel-gazing dialogue in a crowd of superiors, but Bonnie looked tickled clit pink!

You should watch Gidget on Tubi. Bonnie is in several episodes. Baby Bonnie! I wonder what Sally Field thought/thinks of Bonnie.

Bonnie always looked like a freakish hybrid of middle-aged frau and toddler. I don’t know if it was the haircut or the smile.

I think she's an ok level actress, but the material was horrible. Pure shit. The idea behind that just couldn't be sold. I would like to see ol' Bon in something decent. I bed she'd so ok. There was something fearless about her.

What do dirty pantyhose smell like? I’m thinking equal parts feet, bo, ass and pussy.

Cat food, cheese, dookie and a hint of perfume.. Get's me hard.

R69 her acting got more tolerable as the show went on - I think she realized by that point that every actor on the show was more popular than she was and stopped playing to to rafters in every scene.

[itatic]The Passion of the Romano

^^ well that was pathetic. Sorry.

MURIEL ! !

Schneider got the last laugh, literally. The very last episode was all about him and was intended as a "Schneider" spin-off. Our Ann had moved to London. Poor Brits!

Watch this performance of "How Long Has This Been Going On" and tell me that Bonnie's not turning herself on.

A problem always with stage actors when they move to television is that everything has to be re-calibrated for a more intimate screen. Bonnie was really a stage actor, so all her beats and mannerisms in the big monologue are off--they're calibrated for the stage and not for TV.

I think she honestly did get better as the show went on because she learned to play smaller and closer and be more subtle. Her problem was always that Ann was written as a bitch, for whatever reason, and so she was just about impossible to like. She was too angry with her daughters, too angry with Alex, too angry with her boyfriends. in that way she seemed like a real person, but not like anyone you want to spend time with--more like the person in your life you're glad you only have to see occasionally.

R77 well Bea was a stage actress and she did just fine - even when she would go a bit OTT (to wit, her sometimes quadruple takes in the early GG seasons) it still worked. Because she was just that good.

Here's Bon-Bon on "Hazel."

r54, sadly Bea didn't win the Emmy for the analyst monologue. Mary Tyler Moore won that year for "Chuckles Bites the Dust" (hard to argue too much with that, though Bea really was even better). Bea won the next year for "Maude's Desperate Hours," which is funny, but not one of her very best. But she deserved one either way, so whatever. (This is labeled episode 16; it was actually 17, but this is the right one.)

Didn’t Bea come out publicly and say it was just a make up Emmy for her not winning the previous year?

Travis Bickle was less crazy than this.

[quote]Here's Bon-Bon on "Hazel."

Is she with her gay boyfriend?

They should have spared us the long soliloquy and had all the party guests line up outside her bedroom door to give her a good hard slap a la Airplane.

Is Bonnie Franklin the least respected actress in DL history?

When Bea was on the Tonight Show a couple of weeks after Betty White won the Emmy for Golden Girls, she talked about winning for Maude. She said she had expected to get it for the psychiatrist episode and it was the only time that she felt she had a real chance at winning an Emmy. She was shocked the following year when she won. To be fair, everyone thought that Mary Tyler Moore would get it that year since it was her last season. Interestingly enough, the Tonight Show interview mentions the recent Emmy's but host Bill Cosby doesn't mention that Betty won the Emmy, nor is it brought up by Bea. Instead, they talk about the dress Bea wore.

[quote]She really has it in for Julie. Did she remind Ann of the father?

Julie was the screw up who never seemed to do anything right. The free spirit who couldn't be held down for too long in one place. There might have been some resentment on Ann's end. Because Ann got married and had kids too young. Barbara was the dependable girl who was more level headed.

What's interesting is that the show mirrored what was going on the set. Bonnie and Mackenzie had a cordial but distant relationship while Bonnie and Valerie became very close.

R80, where do I find information on which episode actors won (or were nominated) their Emmy Awards? I'd like to know what episodes Lindsay Wagner (The Bionic Woman) and Cathryn Damon (Soap) won for.

She made me so nervous in especially the first season when she was especially "extra" most of the time.

Wagner won for "Jamie's Crisis" and Damon won for "Mary's Crisis".

I think Lindsay won for an episode where she plays twins. (The press backstage actually booed when Carol Burnett announced her as the winner)

I think Bonnie Franklin was nominated for the episode where she has a breakdown and gets drunk over Barbara getting engaged.

Ann's Crisis, Jamie's Crisis, Mary's Crisis... bitches in the 70s sure did have a lot of crises.

Ok, r90, I actually snorted with laughter!

Angie's Crisis. Her soliloquy made me tear up.

^^^That newsboy cap and vest did half her acting.

Ann was a crisis actress!

Ann....Julie...young mothers...resentment?!? Stop with the analysis ladies. They simply had to find a plot device twice to get rid of Mackenzie before she snorted up the shag rugs.

R60 Here are my elder gay recollections of the first times I heard formerly-forbidden words on TV in the 1970s. Maude said, “You son of a bitch,” and my mouth dropped open. Johnny Carson had a punchline, “How’re you gonna keep ‘em down on the farm when they've seen this kind of crap?” that startled me. One of the most shocking to me was early in the run of All in the Family, when one of Archie’s neighbors, played by Vincent Guardino, knocked on the door to warn him about a black family moving into the neighborhood. The character used the Yiddish word for black people that had derogatory connotations. I literally could not believe what I heard.

An interesting thing about the famous Saturday night lineup on CBS in the 1970s was how it bridged the 60s and 70s: All in the Family and M*A*S*H (even though the latter was set in the 1950s, it was decidedly anti-war, and in a sense, anti-establishment), and then the “relief” of MTM, Bob Newhart, and Carol Burnett.

"The Crisco Kid"

In pretty sure IRL Bonnie F was some spoiled Bev Hills brat with rich Jewish parents. It’s just funny to think about, I certainly wouldn’t have pegged her as that growing up (I think I figured she grew up on a hippie commune somewhere, who knows)

I think Julie they were just using MacKenzie’s real life drama to up the ante and the worse she got the worse Julie’s antics became (like abandoning her child) . They basically threw her character under the bus the way they did Charlie Sheen the last season when is off screen antics took over the show.

Did they have Julie abandon her child under a bus?

I never ever liked Bonnie’s acting until her last role on Y&R. She was pretty good in that.

"Karen" (at the 7:20 mark)

I show with Lady Gillette, Colgate & cat food for sponsors basically couldn't land a sponsor in those days, which was a bad sign. It was part of a 3 series lineup that took place in the same apartment complex. This was the only one to finish the season.

It’s a blessing Bonnie Franklin returned to theater (and tap dancing videos) after ODAAT. Think of all the Lifetime Original Movies she could have destroyed if she put her mind to it.

Her tits were weird.

Call me crazy, but this just seems rather par-for-the-course for 70's TV.

I mean, yeah, it's bad, especially by today's standards, but I seem to remember a lot of this type of stuff on TV growing up. A lot of awkwardly trying REALLY hard to say something serious and meaningful...and missing the mark by a mile, but nobody at the time seemed to notice or care, because this "serious and meaningful" stuff was new for TV.

We weren't that far removed from June Cleaver and Carol Brady being the ideal archetypes of TV motherhood. They now had the freedom to do more, but they were still figuring out what to do with that freedom, and how to do it. And they got it wrong WAY more than they ever got it right.

Bonnie's problem, it seems to me, is that she lacks gravitas as a performer. I don't think that's something you can learn or develop with practice...it's either there or it isn't. Bea Arthur and Esther Rolle both had it. I think Franklin might have been better served in a Mary Tyler Moore type show...a lighter tone, with a large ensemble of professionals to help with the heavy lifting. There's something appealing about her, but in this setting, there seems to be something off-putting about her as well.

[quote]r107 There's something appealing about her, but in this setting, there seems to be something off-putting about her as well.

Agreed.

What a BAD actress!

One of the greatest scenes is when Glenn Scarpelli breaks the potted plant for no reason and Bonnie slaps the shit out of him. It’s fantastic because Scarpelli seems SO into it. You can tell the little gayling thought it was some high thespian art he was involved with. I’ll never forget the way that little queen cocked that finger and said, “Well let me tell you something...!” LMAO!

For once, I'd have loved to seen someone hit her back.

A real punch to the kisser and the audience reacting to that sanctimonious Romano cunt picking herself up off the floor, bloody nose and all!

The thing about this show that I can’t get over is that it is set in some alternative universe where people lived in high rises in 1970s Indianapolis.

R111 She is simultaneously jumping and slapping the shark.

You can't blame her "big play it to the rafters" acting on the theater...Bonnie Franklin is a California native who spent her youth working on TV sitcoms like Gidget and The Munsters before she headed east to snag her breakout theater role in "Applause".

And, Ann's awfulness and poor Bonnie's role as the DL Icon you love to hate isn't entirely fair. It's not so much that Ann/Bonnie were awful but the fact that the whole show is really rather awful. It was mildly entertaining dreck, at best.

Though still better than the puerile "Alice".

Last night, I fell asleep with the first season on. I woke up at 2 a.m. and the first thing I heard was the weird jaunty end theme.

I like the contrast between the girls- who probably take after their dad- and their perky-naggy mother. Age-old conflict of a mom who wants daughters to be mini-me's, and the daughters who want nothing of the sort.

I remember my mom chasing my sister with a steak knife- and we're white!

I thought I was your most hated actress who starred in a mediocre 70s sitcom!

Now one of you bitches need to find the "Hold me David, I'm scared" scene.

That hairstyle did the cunt no favors.

Broad overacting seems to have been pretty popular in 70s sit coms, esp. from Norman Lear. The credits are interesting because the story editors (maybe they were script consultants) were Perry Grant and Dick Bensfield, who had worked on Ozzie & Harriet and numerous other sitcoms, so they had a wealth of cliches on which they could draw. They also were responsible for "Hello Larry".

There is a video posted on youtube of Bonnie Franklin in a Broadway show about 1970 and she

STINKS

"Alice" is much better than ODAAT. Amusing cast. Linda does NOT emote (or scream) nearly as much as Bonnie. Mel is much more likeable (and hilarious) than cheesy Schneider.

Agree with r123 -- I'd much rather watch Alice than One Day at a Time. The former had a genuinely funny supporting cast, better writing, and rarely tried do "serious" episodes.

Watching the credits at r116 (the theme song was always the best part of the show), I noticed Robert Mandan was in that episode. I always liked him. I looked up what the episode was about and had to laugh:

"When her boyfriend gets her a job at a public relations firm, Ann is worried that they are more interested in her sex appeal."

HA HA HA HA. What sex appeal?!

Geez, just look at the screen cap IMDB uses for it. Sex appeal!

She sure is unsexy

[quote]I thought I was your most hated actress who starred in a mediocre 70s sitcom!

No, Linda. You're our most hated actress who starred in a mediocre '80s sitcom.

Alice premiered in 1976.

Personally, I'd rather watch ODAAT than Alice.

At least I could hate watch Em Ess Romano but Alice was just too fuckin boring.

R128, we don't hate Linda Lavin. Stop that shit, it's tired (like you).

Alice is better. Mel, Flo, Vera, Jolene.

Fuck you, R132!

[quote]It just wells up in my soul and it started the minute she started bitching about no one buying her crappy make-up except a guy.

At least that was less cringeworthy than the outright TQ+ propaganda of that shitty and criminally overrated reboot.

First they came for Annie,

Then they came for Ann Romano,

Now they're coming for Ariel.

R132, and Tommy, Earl, Henry, Chuck, Elliott, and Carrie. "Alice" had good guest stars: Telly Savalas, Jerry Reed, Art Carney, George Burns, Boss Hogg, Ruth Buzzi, Jay Leno, Dinah Shore, Ron Rifkin, Victor Buono, etc. I especialy like the episodes where the diner is destroyed/damaged (by a semi truck, falling tree, wrecking ball, and plunging hot air balloon).

"That hairstyle did the cunt no favors."

With her red hair, freckles and name 'Bonnie' I always thought she must be Irish or Scottish.

Interesting they never got Burstyn as a guest star for the show as an Alice relative or something. Maybe they tried initially, but Lavin probably threw a fit, and was so intimidated by the Oscar winning chops of Ellen she nixed it.

It was the most violent show of all time.

They got Diane Lane to replace Polly Holliday and that went over like a lead balloon.

More of Ann's violence:

Heterosexual men deserve what they get.

r141, I bet Ed was glad that Ann left him. He probably had bruises all over his body.

Sometimes Ann would just threaten violence.

Ann even used violence when trying to save lives.

At least they had the good taste not to make Ed Cooper a monster. That would have made things seem really one-sided.

Sometimes even Barbara got into the physical violence act.

"They got Diane Lane to replace Polly..."

Because it was child labor: Lane was only 14 at the time, too young to be a Waitress- even in Arizona!

This show proved male violence is a misandrist myth.

And that's one thing in Alice's favor -- I don't recall Alice going around slapping people all the time. Mel often threatened it, but never carried through.

Mel couldn't afford a pink dress big enough for Tommy.

The opening credits, the way they should have been.

Alice is a great show during the Flo years. The first two seasons are closer in tone to the movie. And they all had great chemistry together.

Once Flo leaves, the show starts to fall apart. It just becomes a glorified ego trip for Lavin by the last two years. Painfully apparent in Vera's wedding episode, where five seconds are spent on Vera's nuptials while Alice gets a four minute close up song performance.

Larry from [italic]Hello, Larry[/italic] didn't slap his kids, yet that couldn't save his show.

[quote]Alice gets a four minute close up song performance

She probably demanded that whatever Streisand got in her movies, she wants for herself on TV.

R140, you mean Diane LADD. LMAO!

True. I don't know why I said Diane Lane. Maybe it's because she started acting in the 1970s.

R148 Diane was pushing 60 at the time.

Diane Ladd was born in 1935.

Diane Lane was born in 1965.

The only way the latter would ever have been on [italic]Alice[/italic] was as Tommy's girlfriend.

Dammit, DataLounge. Why must every Bonnie Franklin thread become a Linda Lavin thread, and every Linda Lavin thread become a Bonnie Franklin thread?

Someone on Youtube about ten years ago posted a lot of the Emmy awards shows in full. They posted the 1982 show and it was clear that they thought that it was going to be Bonnie's year to win. Bonnie, Valerie and Pat presented one of the first awards. A short time later, when Alan Rafkin wins for Barbara's Crisis, he gives a gushing speech on Franklin, comparing her to Alan Alda and Carroll O Connor in terms of artists who fought to maintain high quality of their shows. The camera pans on Franklin, who is absolutely beaming in the audience.

They get to the nominees for Best Actress. I think the presenters were Tom Selleck and two others from Magnum PI. They fuck up Swoozie Kurtz's name, calling her Susie Kwertz or something. Nell Carter was the only no show. When they get to Bonnie Franklin, again she is beaming and looks completely serene. When they read Carol Kane's name, the others smile and start applauding. But Franklin just sits there like she's completely frozen, with that same serene grin on her face.

It was the funniest thing, to be honest. I know that sounds shitty. But I can just imagine her sitting there for the rest of the show still frozen and smiling.

Beats us!

Nancy McKeon was on one episode of "Alice" (season 3, Thanksgiving episode), two years before she started on "The Facts of Life". Just thought you should know!

ODAAT also has another link to [italic]Family Ties[/italic] besides being co-created by Meredith Baxter's mother: they had Marc "Skippy" Price as one of Alex's friends in the episode "Mrs. O Leary's Kid" (from season 7 IIRC) where he burns down Schneider's camper. He was that flaming.

The subtext was that Julie fucked her dad which led to the divorce. And the subsequent face slapping.

As far as Alex goes, Ann caught him sniffing Max’s dirty underwear.

Everything old sucks and needs to be rebooted with trans, trans, and more trans. I won't even watch shows with cisbitches in them anymore.

[quote]R12 For once, I'd have loved to seen someone hit her back. A real punch to the kisser …

[italic]To the moon, Annie ! !

Why didn't Julie's older doctor lover call CPS or the cops on slap happy Annie?

She physically assaulted her own daughter.

Was that not illegal in the 70s?

The writers' parents probably treated them the same way.

Linda Lavin proved she could play Italian-American when she played Annette Funicello's mother.

So they could arrest him, r168, for dating a girl under eighteen?

This is what a hatred of exercise and a love of tap will do to you.

Lavin has a much more likable persona than the Bonster (may she RIP). Ann didn't seem to have a maternal bone in her body, she seemed like she sort of liked Barbara as a friend but not Julie.

Interesting thing about Bonnie, both her parents were immigrants from Romania and Russia, respectively. Her father became an investment banker and the fam wound up in Beverly Hills. You'd think with her pedigree Bonstress would have wound up an Olympic gymnast.

The original pilot, [italic]Three to Get Ready[/italic], didn't even have Barbara in it.

And at over 25 minutes long, notice how this is uncut while the [italic]Diff'rent Strokes[/italic] episodes they uploaded are syndicated edits unlike the DVD versions.

Franklin said in one of those old Truth Behind The Sitcoms shows she didn’t feel maternal towards Mac, especially when she was having her major drug issues. Sounded a bit cold and aloof to me. I really think what partly made Macs drug problems endure to the early 90s was she had little to no support from friends and family. It was worth it to the show to get Mac back on her feet. ODAAT was much less without Mac. No one else could fill her absence. Mac is to blame of course too, but it might’ve turned out different if Bonnie and the producers would’ve cared more.

Sometimes caring is not enough. She lived. Dana Plato died.

OP…..That was insufferable. Really. I would rather have a tooth extracted than watch that again.

Imagine if she had become a dentist.

I hate Mackenzie Phillips being referred to as Mac. I know in her inner circle she is.

I was the Cheese to her Mac.

Mackenzie was so bold to expose her incestuous relationship with her father…it still boggles my mind that she shared that with the world.

How many times does she do that vocal intake of breath that conveys deep, deep, DEEPLY felt emotion?

[quote] "Middle aged, at thirty five..."

I wasn't middle aged until I hi... I won't be middle aged until I hit forty!

Linda Lavin is the poor man's Sylvia Miles. Bonnie Franklin may be annoying as all hell, but at least ODAAT looks like it was produced on more than $10 a week. Alice also looked so low-brow and trashy. Kiss Mah Grits, indeed.

[quote] When they read Carol Kane's name, the others smile and start applauding. But Franklin just sits there like she's completely frozen, with that same serene grin on her face. It was the funniest thing, to be honest. I know that sounds shitty. But I can just imagine her sitting there for the rest of the show still frozen and smiling.

Bonnie was secretly peeing on her seat.

It's disgusting how these young actresses go wild with sex and drugs when they land a TV show. How embarrassing.

What was Ann's profession? Was she educated?

[quote]Franklin said in one of those old Truth Behind The Sitcoms shows she didn’t feel maternal towards Mac, especially when she was having her major drug issues. Sounded a bit cold and aloof to me.

There was tension from the get go with Bonnie and MacKenzie because their managers initially fought over who should get top billing on the show. MacKenzie's manager thought she should because she was the bigger name with her most recent success in American Graffiti and the just released Rafferty and the Gold Dust Twins. Bonnie's thought she should because she was the main point of the show. Bonnie won out.

Bonnie then threated to quit the show after the first season because she was it was too light hearted and wasn't really about anything. That's why they dumped Richard Masur and brought in Mary Louise Wilson as the friend (who left after the season because she couldn't stand doing the show and working with Franklin).

Maybe the show should've killed off the Ann Romano character. Sandy Duncan could've taken over as the girls' sassy aunt/guardian.

^^ well, anything would be better than what we got.

One Day at a Time/Ann's Family/The Cooper Family

r188, Richard Masur did an interview with the AV Club a few years ago, and he tells it differently--namely that the character was useless, which he knew from the start and warned them about. I started to copy and paste it, but the ODAT section is too long. The whole interview is long, but a good read. (He doesn't say anything negative, or anything really, about Bonnie herself.)

Why was there never A Bonnie Franklin Christmas?

Richard was also on "Rhoda", where he was also underutilized.

Even Maureen McCormack won an Emmy for "Marcia's Crisis."

Poor Bonnie.

Did Franklin do any unsold pilots for new shows, later on?

WE may detest her, but that show did run for almost a decade… so you’d think she’d be offered another series.

[quote] What was Ann's profession?

Ann was an advertising executive.

[quote] Was she educated?

Apparently not, since she was pregnant and married at 18.

"Rhoda's Crisis"...she divorced Joe. That killed the show's premise, ruined the show's momentum/ratings, and the show went out with a whimper. Pity.

R196 There was a script being sold on EBay a couple of years back for the pilot episode of The Bonnie Franklin Show that was done in 1985 or 1986.

The original title of "Family" was "Kate's Crises".

Fascinating.

As awful as Franklin and the show was, Wilson sounds completely unprofessional here.

[quote] According to her memoir, My First Hundred Years in Show Business, prior to being cast as Ginny, Wilson had never seen One Day at a Time and immediately sat down and watched an episode one night in her apartment. She did not find the sitcom funny at all and was not given a script until the first read-through of her first episode. Wilson also did not get along with Franklin, "who took her role as arbiter over moral issues very seriously" and who considered herself "our foremost authority on Broadway". She also thought that Harrington's character of Schneider was not funny at all, although she liked Harrington himself, and found him hilarious offscreen. Wilson wrote that "aside from Lear, nobody thought I was funny...To make matters worse, each character, according to the show's formula, had to have a 'serious' moral dilemma at some point, and I was given some problem about an illegitimate child to work out in these increasingly sentimental scenes that made my bowels shrink." At the end of the second season of One Day at a Time, Wilson begged her agent to ask Lear to release her from her contract. Wilson later admitted, "I felt terribly wrong to be so miserable. I knew this was the kind of break actors longed for." Wilson was also unaccustomed to working on a sitcom with four cameras in front of a live audience where "you said your line when the red light on the camera went on...and there follows a pause longer than the river Styx before the light on camera four goes on" at which the character you're speaking to says the next line. After the meeting with her agent, Wilson impulsively changed her mind and agreed to stay with the series, but it was too late. Her agent had already informed Norman Lear of Wilson's unhappiness and she was released from the show after appearing in 14 episodes. The character of Ginny Wroblicki was never seen, referred to, or heard from again[4] except in a fifth-season episode ("Retrospective") made up mainly of clips from earlier in the series.

The only episode I remember watching as a child during its run was where Ann gets to go on her dream trip to Paris, I think she takes Barbara with her. Ann gets a cold or something and never leaves the hotel room.

I remember being disappointed they didn't show any of actual Paris.

[quote]R200 The original title of "Family" was "Kate's Crises".

Was it about Sada being fired from Charlie’s Angels?

R200, more like "Lawrence Family Crises"! Just watched the season four episodes in which ex-con Paul Shenar threatened the family, Willie Lawrence fell in love with a married Kim Cattrall, Willie Lawrence fell in love with an almost unrecognizable Shelley Long, Kate Lawrence bought a Christmas tree from a very young Michael Keaton, and Nancy Lawrence Maitland fell in love with real-life husband David Birney!

Bonnie Franklin and Marisa Hargitay emote in the same manner. Not a subtle bone in their bodies.

^^Mariska. Old eyes strike again!

Do we like ANY Bonnies? Bedelia, Hunt, Parker, Pointer, Raitt, Tyler???!

Only Prince Charlie.

I will be interested to see an episode "Carrie's Crisis" in an upcoming extra series based on "Sex and the City" called "Meanwhile, Across Town...," where Carrie Bradshaw worries at 76 she's over the hill.

r207, I like Hunt. Do people have a problem with her?

[quote] What was Ann's profession? Was she educated?

She worked in advertising, but I have no idea if she even finished high school getting preggers and all.

R207, it calls for a poll.

[quote] Even Maureen McCormack won an Emmy for "Marcia's Crisis."

Backstage drama: Eve Plumb put on a black wig and kept whining "Emmy! Emmy! Emmy!"

Can someone please post a clip of Ann saying, "Ohhhhhmyyyyygoddddddd."?

[quote]r207 Do we like ANY Bonnies? Bedelia, Hunt, Parker, Pointer, Raitt, Tyler???!

Bonnie Bartlett from Little House on the Prairie’s okay.

Poll

[quote]Do you suspect Franklin was thinking, "This will get me an Emmy, damn it!"

Trust me, she thought that about every goddamn line she read, R19.

R215 but shes “limited.”

R214, oh, yeah, Ann Romano *did* have a catchphrase. OH...MY...GAWWWWWWWWWD. Hilarious.

Wasn't 'Dammit, Julie!' her catch phrase?

BTW, I haven't finished S1 yet and have caught myself slow jogging to the front door. This isn't a good sign.

God help me if I start sitting on the side of the couch to have a casual conversation.

Does anyone have the link to her loss to Carole Kane? I really want to see it. I googled all over the place and couldn’t find it

Gold, all of it.

She speaks of a TV special called 'Bonnie and the Franklins,' starring her and her entire family. We must find this and have a party.

Whenever she did an interview, Franklin always talked about how she hated LA and wanted to move back to NY so she could perform on Broadway. I mean, it was the ultimate in biting the hand that feeds you, especially since she was trying to parlay her TV infamy into a Broadway career. Then came her notorious Tony Awards performance that cause the entire theater community to shun her.

"Alice", apart from Polly Holliday's Flo, was the most boring piece of shit sitcom. I remember watching it as a kid and not really liking it but there wasn't anything better on opposite.

I can't remember one episode or even a scene that was any way memorable.

Meanwhile, ODAAT, which was certainly a mess at times, was far more energetic and had better characters and more evolved storylines. And, since we quote memorable lines, bits, scenes and episodes all the time, it was certainly more memorable.

Other than "Kiss My Grits!" and Vera messing up the straws in the credits and annoying Linda trying to sing every few episodes, what else is memorable about that shitty contrived show?

R223 We need to start a Leta Powell Drake thread....she's a national treasure.

I grew up watching her on TV in Nebraska.

Cartoon Corral!

[quote]I was the Cheese to her Mac.

R180 We know, John.

The biggest shock in this whole thread is hearing Valerie Bertinelli say she is 61. Holy shit!

[quote]"Alice", apart from Polly Holliday's Flo, was the most boring piece of shit sitcom. I remember watching it as a kid and not really liking it but there wasn't anything better on opposite.

Which is strange since the Scorcese film is so compelling. I've probably seen it a dozen or so times and it never loses my interest and I always find something new to appreciate about it.

Thanks for the visual, R228

Bonnie and Michele backstage... phew. I wonder which one threw the other's wig in the toilet.

The behind the scenes drama of Mac’s whacked ut druggie period was much more interesting than this stupid show

And now she's just Bony Franklin.

Speaking of which, Mackenzie, was your dad a good lover? Generous?

R226 is nuts. Watch Alice again. It's good.

R225, what did she do at the Tony Awards that caused the theatre community to shun her?

Exposed a tit and called it Pippen.

R231 Marty’s film does have its silly moments. I think the series would’ve been served to have some more dramatic episodes. None of the waitresses on the show had a pot to pee in, and it would’ve been better to show the consequences of that sometimes I.e. food insecurity, not being able to pay bills etc. But they chose to go the more sitcomy route. I do love the Flo years. I can watch a few Belle episodes, but can’t watch the Jolene years. The show lost so much after Pollys exit.

Better served^

Food insecurity?! LMAO! They could've eaten (for free) at Mel's. The waitresses were not dirt poor. They got by. Nobody wanted a "serious" Alice sitcom!

Dammit, Julie!

Of all the men out there, Barbara chooses Boyd Gaines?!?

Even a dog like Julie landed a hot piece of ass like Max.

r228 How does the Franklin Family compare to the King Family?

Ann would have been a wildcat in the sheets. I respect that.

[quote] Wasn't 'Dammit, Julie!' her catch phrase?

I would say it was "Dammit, XXX!", as in: "Dammit, Julie!", "Dammit, Barbara!", "Dammit, Schneider!," "Dammit, Alex!", etc.

This was considered pretty shocking back in the early 1970s. People had just started being able to say "hell" and "damn" and "butt" and "breasts" (or mroe commonly, "boobs") on TV: "ass" was still more than a decade away from being uttered in Prime Time. So Ann came off as something of a potty-mouth.

[quote]Of all the men out there, Barbara chooses Boyd Gaines?!? Even a dog like Julie landed a hot piece of ass like Max.

Boyd Gaines's character was a nebbish (he loved playing golf, for God's sake), but at least he was a dental student and would one day mike quite a bit of money.

Max may have been a hot piece of ass but he was just a flight attendant. He was never going to make very much money.

Remember, Ann Romano was once married to Captain Stubing. But she was NOT the mother of darling Vicky.

She should have been called Ann Velveeta. "Romano" is an insult to that fine Italian creation, as well as all the cheeses better than Miss Franklin to the aesthetic palate.

R240 almost every sitcom has its dramatic moments and shows. True they could eat in the diner, but I think you catch my drift.

I had a crush on Boyd Gaines watching this show as a gayling. And I remember one scene in the last season where he’s wearing sweat pants and displaying a very nice basket.

I think Boyd aged well...although I don't have photographic proof.

Boyd never talks about his time on the show and never shows up to any of the reunions.

A fun video from Youtube for the ODAT/Alice fans/debaters. Extended credits from the Season 5 clip show that lead directly into a promo for Flo's last episode of Alice.

Does Howard Hesseman show up for reunions and talk about the show? He married Ann Romano and he was the father of Boyd!

I wanted Boyd’s semen deep inside me.

Yeah, I thought Boyd Gaines was really cute back in the day. Sadly, he hasn't aged particularly well (using this photo on his Wikipedia page strikes me as unkind--and this is from 8 years ago), but at least he's still around.

[quote] Watch Alice again. It's good.

But not as funny and good as Hee Haw.

[quote] She should have been called Ann Velveeta. "Romano" is an insult to that fine Italian creation, as well as all the cheeses better than Miss Franklin to the aesthetic palate.

This never made sense to me. Bonnie Franklin couldn't look less Italian if she worse a curly black mustache and twirled a pizza. Why was her maiden name Romano? And then, as if to add insult to injury, they have frigging Joseph Campanella (who looks more Italian than just about anybody) was some WASP named Cooper. Was the casting agent on drugs?

[quote] I had a crush on Boyd Gaines watching this show as a gayling. And I remember one scene in the last season where he’s wearing sweat pants and displaying a very nice basket.

Me too, R250. And I got all tingly when I actually got to meet him briefly in NYC where he was working on a show at the theatre I worked at. Couldn't tell if it was gaydar or wishful thinking. He was plenty cute back then. As for now, well none of us aging into utter hotness. Boyd is now 68. Photo is seven years old, when he was 61.

And Nanette Fabray as mother to Ann Romano? MTM should have sued for libel!

No! No, Nanette!

Bonnie Franklin reminded me a lot of Julia Duffy.

Go figure.

^^ Except that Julie Duffy is beautiful, and can act.

I said "go figure".

[quote]As for now, well none of us aging into utter hotness.

*ahem*

Some of us remain forever young.

Gaines has won four Tonys. He is tied with Langella for the most Tonys ever won by an actor. I’m sure the theater is where his heart lies, not Porkys or some forgotten sitcom outside of DL. That’s the reason he doesn’t do reunions I’m sure.

When Broadway star Bonnie watched Boyd and Mary Louise accept their Tonys, did she slap her TV set?

[quote] Even a dog like Julie landed a hot piece of ass like Max.

Julie actually had two men competing to marry her and didn't choose Max until the wedding ceremony. Neither man seemed to care that she was a drugged-out mess who looked like shit.

Currently watching a two-parter on IMDB.TV in which 'Ed comes back.'

They were playing charades and Ann was trying to do the Hindenburg.

Was it bra-less charades, with a lot of shaking and jumping?

Don't you just love the "talent show" episodes? Ann Romano dressed in a Shirley Temple/sailor outfit singing "On the Good Ship Lollipop" is DISTURBING!

/shudder

Yes, R270. It was.

It ended with Ann having Ed stay over on that awful couch and now it's All in the Family instead.

I love these random channels switching from Maude to Little House to Dallas to One Day to Good Times to McMillan and Wife.

[quote]Gaines has won four Tonys. He is tied with Langella for the most Tonys ever won by an actor. I’m sure the theater is where his heart lies, not Porkys or some forgotten sitcom outside of DL. That’s the reason he doesn’t do reunions I’m sure.

And who the fuck outside of obsessive theater queens would even know what four shows Boyd Gaines won Tonys for?

ODAAT still gets airplay on those vintage channels, and the reboot just finished its run of several seasons . I'd say it's a little more well known than Patti Lupone's execrable revival of Gypsy.

R273 don’t get your panties in a bunch ok. I’d certainly be prouder of my track record in the theater versus a corny sitcom where I wasn’t even a main character. Gaines would probably tell you it was just a job. Just like Porkys. M-O-N-E-Y. ODAAT wasn’t a huge sitcom ratings wise or won a big Emmy toll. I think it only won one for Harrington. It was a middle of the road show whose ratings were just passable enough to keep it on the air. As far as the reboot, what ISN’T rebooted or cloned to death nowadays?

[quote]They were playing charades and Ann was trying to do the Hindenburg.

Oh, the humanity!

DL had a thread devoted to Boyd and ODAAT. Bless you all, dammit.

"True they could eat in the diner"

Every bite them broads eat comes outta their paychecks! This ain't no charity for dingbats!

Not dingbats, Mel Sharples, DINGIES! Get it right, burger brain!

[quote] They were playing charades and Ann was trying to do the Hindenburg.

Did Ms. Ann smoosh her boobs together to signal a zeppelin falling?

R279, she flailed around and jumped in the air and hit the floor making an explosion sound. It's exactly how you'd imagine it.

Ann's apartment was so basic. I think in one episode the rent was revealed to be $200.

Was her apartment ever broken into? That side window by the front door was a security liability.

What was in the alcove nobody ever ventured into?

I swear I saw a couch and a lamp in there the other day. Some kind of weird sitting room?

I grew up in crummy apartments with a single mom and Ma would have used that space.

I prefer Alice Hyatt's apartment. She had a cool couch bed. Plus she could walk to Mel's Diner from home...in the Phoenix heat.

I always love reposting this abomination, performed during those dreadful Sylvia Kaye PBS specials. Bonnie doing Nellie Forbush, or rather Nellie Romano.

Julie shot up in the alcove in one Very Special Episode called "Julie's Crisis".

The Romanos awful apartment was pretty much the exact same setup as the Evans apartment on Good Times.

One of the problems with sitcoms is they get trapped into ....well, their situations and they avoid making many changes with things like settings. Even though it's not logical that Ann Romano would live in that basic apartment for that long of a period, especially after she miraculously became a top business woman despite her lack of education, training or credentials.

In the pilot she’s an unsuccessful Avon lady.

That humble Ann Romano clawed her way to the top of the business world is a tribute to her (or the show’s writers’) heroic, unflinching tenacity.

[quote] Ann's apartment was so basic. I think in one episode the rent was revealed to be $200.

That does sound pretty cheap for a 2/1 apartment in Indianapolis in the 70s. By today's dollars, that just barely $1,000 a month.

[quote] What was in the alcove nobody ever ventured into?

I think it was a mural.

[quote] I prefer Alice Hyatt's apartment. She had a cool couch bed. Plus she could walk to Mel's Diner from home...in the Phoenix heat.

Without deodorant or even so much as a whore's bath before heading out to work. Customers always though the daily special was tuna.

Here's a clip from Bonnie's special

Mackenzie seems to be playing it seriously while Valerie is pulling faces that suggest Elton's post-plastic surgery look.

Thanks R293, I was looking for something to give me nightmares. So which one is Bonnie?

If sitcoms weren't limited to 30 minutes, I'd still be going on and on today.

Christ, who choreographed that dreck at R295, Bobby and Cissy?

And it’s obvious the applause was canned, if you see the two seconds when they show the audience they’re just sitting there wishing they had anything else to do.

Jesus, I agree about Bobby and Cissy choreographing that scene from the special.

Those male dancers were very talented, especially at allowing Bonnie to almost look talented.

All I could see was her trying to keep up, enraptured with herself, in that dress, until 'I DID IT!' God, the self-satisfaction.

The very end of that clip promises a rap segment, it would appear.

R298, If I remember correctly the rap/hip-hop section of Bonnie's special included her in a track suit, doing a medley of N.W.A's 'Straight out of Compton', 'F tha Police' and 'Gansta Gangsta'. Obviously some of the lyrics needed to be changed for television.

R27 Lee and Franklin are forgotten also though .

[quote]In the pilot she’s an unsuccessful Avon lady.

Been there, done that.

r285, Alice is definitely one who needed to upgrade to a new apartment. Nine years in a one-bedroom where Tommy had the bedroom and she had to sleep on a fold-out couch? Did Tommy at least move out at some point so she could take the bedroom? I don't remember the later seasons well.

Can anyone pick a worst moment from Ann's Crisis? Because for me it's the "Are you talkin' to me?" followed by the happy birthday serenade in the mirror.

"YOU need THEM!" is also very bad.

Was her real crisis a dry pussy?

[quote]And it’s obvious the applause was canned

I think Bonnie's applause in "Applause" was canned too.

[quote]Was her real crisis a dry pussy?

I can't speak to its moisture situation, but it did stink to high heaven.

Tommy Hyatt went to ASU, where he played basketball, and moved into a college dorm. Mother Alice no longer had to sleep in her living room.

Ah, thanks r307! Still, according to this Alice wiki (seriously, does everything have a Wiki now?), he didn't go to college until Season 7. She should have found a new place long before then.

Have Bertinelli or Phillips or Scharpelli ever spoken about what it was like to work with Franklin, now that she's dead? I'm curious if she was abrasive and annoying as Ann was, or if she was a nice person.

I honestly can't take Wilson as an expert on this because she sounds like Wilson was such a passive-aggressive bitch during the whole experience of working on the show, according to her own account.

[quote] One of the problems with sitcoms is they get trapped into ....well, their situations and they avoid making many changes with things like settings.

Which is why i kind of liked it that Mary Richards move to a nicer partment. Even though the original apartment in the Lindstroms' house was so iconic (and was changed only because the owners of the actual house in Minneapolis got sick of being a stop on tour buses and so hung an "Impeach nNxon" flag outside of their window to discourage further location shooting), it did make sense that Mary would make more money at WJM-TV the longer she stayed there and so could move to a nicer apartment.

The weirdest thing about the Cooper-Romano apartment was the layout. There was that weird gigantic alcove in the back with all the hanging plants--I guess that was to establish that Ann was with-it and nurturing, even though she seemed like a middle-aged witch. But there was no movement in or through that alcove--it was always just behind the other actors as a backdrop.

It's not as insane as the Brady house or the Golden Girls' house, but it still was very strange.

I presume the alcove was there simply to give the set a sense of depth. I'm watching episodes of Soap and the sets for both the Campbells and the Tate homes have similar areas in the back of the set.

[quote] One of the problems with sitcoms is they get trapped into ....well, their situations and they avoid making many changes with things like settings.

Viewers generally don't respond well to setting changes. They want everything to look the same, even when the show runs for years and years. When Laverne and Shirley finally moved out of their basement Milwaukee apartment and moved to California, everybody hated it.

r309 Bon-Bon guest-starred on "Hot in Cleveland."

Viewers generally don't respond well to setting changes. They want everything to look the same, even when the show runs for years and years. When Laverne and Shirley finally moved out of their basement Milwaukee apartment and moved to California, everybody hated it.

I think that had to due with the fact that they didn't just change apartments, they changed cities and jobs.

There were almost no complaints when Mary Richards moved apartments in Minneapolis and stayed at the same job.

*Sorry, "had to do," not "had to due"

Well, The Facts of Life changed their sets practically from season to season.

Mel Sharples' apartment was tiny. A studio. Vera's apartment was also a tiny studio. For some reason, she slept on the upper bunk of a set of bunk beds (no one slept below). Why??? Flo, of course, lived in a trailer / mobile home. Remember when her trailer was stolen? She had to move in with Alice for a bit.

I'd love it if R203 was dead.

Please learn the definition of iconic, R310.

R261, No NOSE Nanette 😈

My friend told me he spotted Bonnie Franklin once in a public library in Los Angeles. That was his big "celebrity sighting." He said her hair was the same.

Did she slap the librarian who told her she had overdue fines?

She just said "Dammit, Bonnie!" in a hushed tone.

The two parter where Julie marries Max is on now.

Sorry, but the blonde guy was hotter, and had the better occupation (doctor)

Of course they had Julie fuck it up and marry the flight attendant.

[quote] Did she slap the librarian who told her she had overdue fines?

Well, I never in all my life.

Did the librarian tell Bonnie to take off her noisy tap shoes?

No lie-people told my mother ALL THE TIME how much she resembled Bonnie Franklin. She dyed her hairs red and had the same bowel cut.

So she leaked feces all over, just like BF?

[quote] No lie-people told my mother ALL THE TIME how much she resembled Bonnie Franklin. She dyed her hairs red and had the same bowel cut.

Was your mother also Lee Grant?

[quote] Lee and Franklin are forgotten also though .

R300 = Claudia Lonow

Was she inspired by Dorothy Hamill for that awful hair? Or was it the other way around?

All of America wanted the "wedge cut" after Dorothy Hamill.

Why is Claudia Lonow poppin' up in this thread? Is she hateful? Bitter? Was she slapped by Bonnie? I am currently enjoying Claudia on Knots Landing, season 3 (Sid just died).

Good to see in the 90s Julie trying to get her act together at the No More Victims boot camp. Of course she had to deal with another violent prone red head in Kimberly Shaw.

R334, I grew up conflating Claudia with her ornery Diana character. I had the good fortune to speak to briefly speak with Claudia in her capacity as a TV writer and oh my god, she is a delight and so damn funny. After that, I just viewed Diana as a New York girl made very angry having to live in Southern California. The character made more sense. From the pilot, I read Diana as not entirely fitting into the California sunshine. That girl had a New York vibe.

Claudia is funny as fuck in person. But now I can't hate Diana anymore.

Sorry for typos, I'm typing stoned while watching Good Times.

How was she received in Broadway circles?

r338 Like a poz load.

[quote] Like a poz load.

OMG. That's both terrible and hilarious.

Bonnie at 1983 tonys singing How Long has this Been Going on. Starts at about 5:00 mark.

Damn you DL--you got searching youtube for Bonnie Franklin shit!

Bonnie roasts Fred Flintsone!

Go to 07:30 to watch the Bonz murder "Lucky Star"

You can’t deny her raw, almost animalistic sensuality.

I would have enjoyed Linda Lavin's Alice Hyatt as a single mom. I have a similar wisecracking bitter quality and I bond easier to women like that. Unfortunately, I can see where Ann Romano reminds me of my mother and it's not pleasant. Did Julie hit Ann back? My mother slapped me the same way and I hit her back. They should have done that.

[quote] All of America wanted the "wedge cut" after Dorothy Hamill.

That was popularized at the 1976 Winter Olympics in Innsbruck. Bonnie, of course, was far ahead of the curve.

[quote] How was she received in Broadway circles?

Lynn Fontanne crawled over the footlights to kiss the toe of Bonnie's tap shoe at the curtain call for "Applause."

omg….

[quote]'On the Air' Franklin, second from left, is seen with Richard Crenna, Jim Nabors, Linda Lavin, Bert Convy and Eve Arden in the miniseries "CBS: On the Air."

[quote] Hal Linden, a former Broadway singing star and Tony Award winner, shows off his talents in "The Hal Linded Special." Linden will sing and dance in the show with his three costars, from left, television actresses Linda Lavin, Cathryn Damon and Bonnie Franklin.

Jesus… can you imagine if they had to share a dressing room ? ! ? !

She was a shit mom it is no wonder her daughter started sleeping with her father.

The 70’s -early 80’s had horrible television it is no wonder there were so many serial killers back then.

Definitely a direct causation, r352.

It's not common knowledge but Bonnie was the one who overflowed the toilet at the Bellagio . . .

R310/r315 Jack’s bistro was an example of a great change/evolution. He said he wanted to open a restaurant the very first episode, and it was a nice payoff - plus they couldn’t stay kids forever.

Sally said she had a flatulence problem.

Ann just got a job and erupted through the door in chaos. At one point, she starts jumping up and down and the camera just cuts away from her to the girls mid-jump.

Bitch, you haven't even started the job yet but there she is crowing to Ed, 'I'm set! I'm set!'

The ancient gays seem to hate her. I don't call you elder, because you're all over 80 by now. Ancient.

I wasn't even alive when this show was on your Magnavox. Ann's monologue is unplayable - but the actress did OK with it. Who was she? A lot of this type shit was popular in all those terrible Norman Lear shows, am I right? They all did it.

Archie and Edith are unwatchable it's so characterized and Good Times is one of the most offensive shows to ever be on my grandparents TV set.

It had sliding doors that covered up the screen. Like eyelids. My dad made a bar out of it. Just like the ancient gays do with everything. Before shit got ironic - it ended up in the trash. Ann seems cool enough.

Sorry r358, but it’s a proven fact that the genetic makeup responsible for homosexuality is the same wiring that initiates hatred towards Bonnie Franklin. It was all tested in the late 80’s during a trial at Oxford. A peer-reviewed study measured a young gay male’s brain activity during a rerun of ODAAT, and was found to precisely mimic that of a bull upon seeing the color red.

In the late 80s I was 4 to 5 years old. Not exactly a young gay. Though I loved MJ, Diana Ross and Whitney. Things have changed since then gramps. That was one of the points of my OG post @ R358. Weren't you all suffering the consequences from being Ass UP in a bathhouse and taking loads for more than a decade by the late 80s? Living and dying with AIDS. A terrifying time. Like Norman Lear. You can't really blame Bonnie Frank for that now, can you R358? Maybe it was poppers.

Sorry, I accidentally dissed myself. My post at ^ R360 was directed at R359.

I just read she died at 69.

It’s funny- because I didn’t understand or care when I was younger how old I live a few decades either way, especially growing up as a teen in the thick of the AIDS crisis- but now that I’m 52, 69 seems SO much closer. I lived with a Jewish grandmother for a few years and when anyone died before 70, she’d always comment, “so young!”

I recently saw my mom after not seeing her during the shutdown and at 80, her skin is glowing and eyes bright- she’ll live well into her 90’s like her dad.

I am becoming more like that Jewish grandmother every day.

I follow Glenn Scarpelli on Facebook and he says fond things about Bonnie.

And, while the 70s had plenty of garbage TV shows (uh, The Dukes of Hazzard for one) it also had plenty of terrific shows: The Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart and Carol Burnett Shows....All in the Family....Maude...M*A*S*H*.....tons of amazing TV movies and miniseries. Brilliant imports from the U.K. like I, Claudius. Oh..Soap!

Certainly better than TV today. The broadcast networks gave up years ago and now only show crap. There's good stuff on cable and streaming but there's also plenty of shit, too. HUGE amounts of it, in fact.

R363 Less channel choices should have meant less shit. Most of those you listed like mash are overated crap.

Hal Linden looks painted like a drag queen at r351.

Take that as a sign to shut the fuck up, retard R361.

[quote] She dyed her hairs red and had the same bowel cut.

Ewww. Maybe that wasn't dye but just blood.

Was Bonnie cross-eyed?

Her nipples were.

R309, I saw a very interesting interview with Valerie Bertinelli on Howard Stern’s show not long after Bonnie Franklin’s passing. (Stern can be an excellent interviewer when he keeps the crassness to a minimum — his interviews with Lucie Arnaz and DL favorite Mia Farrow were terrific!)

Stern brought up Bonnie Franklin and Bertinelli immediately teared up and politely and firmly told Stern that she didn’t want to talk about her and implied he’d better not badmouth her. I looked for it on YouTube, where I initially saw it, but couldn’t find it. My impression was that she thought warmly of Franklin.

I remember seeing Valerie Bertandernie in a TV interview where she basically mouths off at how Franklin was treated (presumably in the industry) and looked quite angry. Yes, I imagine they were close.

Bertandernie - interesting auto correct there

I Griffined it up.

At 00:28, Bonnie: "I sound like a freak show."

A different interview with Leta than the one I posted earlier. The other one got awkward when Leta said all she could see in Bonnie's Margaret Sanger was Ann Romano.

I’m just glad we were spared a follow up show where Bonnie and Nancy Dussault played divorcee twins or something.

[italic]Or am I ? ?

R375, Muriel Rush's Crisis, a very special episode.

This thread asks some questions regarding Bonnie Franklin covering Helen Reddy's role in Pete's Dragon.

That number where she yells at the Gogans (a reprise of their yokel song) would take on new braless dimensions.

"You can't have him! You don't love him!"

Ann Romano > Infinite Earths > Cuban Missile

Disney actually thought about giving Bonnie Franklin a sitcom since they were able to revive Bea Arthur's low post-[italic]Maude[/italic] TVQ rating ([italic]Amanda's[/italic] probably had as much to do with that) by making her a Golden Girl, but they decided against it.

This was the highlight of her post-ODAAT career:

She appeared in a Drug-Free kids special in the late 80s. They had dramatizations of various drug-related shit with various 'stars' appearing. Bonnie was advertised as being among them. I haven't been able to find it yet, although it was listed on Ebay.

[quote] I think the smell of those dirty pantyhose turned Glenn Scarpelli into a gayling.

Actually, it was Pat Harrington's jock strap that did it.

Leta: "Bonnie, I couldn't help but notice that Margaret Sanger slapped her children as frequently and as hard as Ann Romano did. Was that historically accurate, or something you brought to the role?"

Bonnie Franklin was absolutely sexless and too "cute" with the little button nose, raisinette eyes and mushroom hair. My mother would walk into the room if that show was on and announce "I can't stand that bitch" and now I get it.

Slapping children is a Bonnie Franklin trademark. It's why Jerry Herman decided to give Mrs. Santa Claus to Angela Lansbury.

Poor Nancy Dussault. Just imagine being the poor man's Bonnie Franklin. What would that do to your self-esteem?!

Now I know why they called TAT Communications Company. Everything they did was tit-for-tat. So you could say that Bonnie owed her whole career to showing tits for TAT.

Markie Post is now in sitcom heaven with Ann Romano. Thanks for the memories, gurls!

Bonnie gave Markie Post the cancer.

Maybe she could have replaced Gwen Verdon as Roxie in Chicago.

Whenever someone says "Tit for Tat", I respond with "Tat!". I find myself in the HR office frequently.

R383, we need a thread about 'celebrities our parents hated with a passion.'

With my mother, it was Meredith Baxter and Kate Jackson. She'd walk into the room and lose her shit. I don't understand it, I love both. Meredith for Betty and Kate for that movie where she kidnapped Tracy Gold's kid and accused her of being a Satanist. I love that one.

I feel this way about actress Alison Sweeney.

My mother was repelled by any appearance by Debralee Scott. She always said she seemed slutty.

Which Lee arguably did.

Not sure I would say slutty so much as skanky.

My dad has an abject disdain for Anthony Hopkins and Sidney Poitier. I can't remember my mom ever expressing dislike of someone famous (mostly indifference), but she didn't like people who looked dirty or trashy. I doubt she would have been a fan of Miss Debralee.

My mother hated Peggy Lee. She said she always looked like she was constipated when she was singing.

My mom did not like Sinatra. She called him scrawny and ugly, and my mom never badmouthed anyone.

It’s interesting to read what people thought of her acting in ODAAT. I used to think she overacted but didn’t know if my observation was correct or not. I was youngish and had no one to discuss the show with.

Remember when Sinatra appeared on a VSE of ODAAT, as Schneider's alcoholic uncle (was dad during production week, but changed to uncle on taping date).

R342, she’s lip-syncing.

And she still sucks.

Nothing sexier than Bonnie in love…

CBS wanted Lucy to appear in a VSE episode of ODAAT, as Ann’s homeless aunt, but Gary wouldn’t let her. Instead we got “Stone Pillow”.

My dad just could not stand Carol Channing or Steve & Eydie.

I never could stand Carol Channing either. That huge mouth and her voice was horrible.

I remember some anti-Ann Jillian sentiment in our house after The Ann Jillian Story aired and then again when her 'Ann Jillian' sitcom failed. I think I got sick of hearing her name. I had nothing against the woman herself and I love It's a Living.

My dad hated Esther Rolle and Vince Edwards. My mom hated Carol Lawrence and Shirley Jones.

My mother hated Kathie Lee Gifford. When the news story came out about about the man claiming to have seizures caused by Mary Hart’s voice, Mom said, “I know how he feels — that’s what that phony Kathie Lee does to me!”

GETTV just showed the episode where Ann slapped Alex. I decided to watch the whole episode and never realized that Alex wasn't officially in her custody and that he was just the son of her boyfriend. The boyfriend gave Ann grief for slapping Alex and saying he and Alex's mother never slap him and Ann replies "maybe you should have". Then the writers pretty much leave that issue alone and go on to issues of Alex wanting his mom and dad back together again and stupid comedy of fiddle players hired to play at a romantic dinner the dad has planned for Ann.

The show was terribly written and I get the feeling the writers, and Bonnie Franklin, thought Ann was supposed to be a likeable, admirable person, with a couple of flaws, but still the hero of the show. Ann's awful.

Didn't Bonnie fight very hard to keep the contrived drama at the forefront of the show? She loved the plant-breaking scenes and slaps and soliloquies. I bet she looked down on Linda for letting Alice turn into, well, a comedy.

The comedy stuff they put into that episode where Alex acts like a bitch and Ann slaps him were so contrived. And not funny. Especially Schneider. Mary Louise Wilson was right about that character. And he stayed around the entire run while the rest of the supporting cast was a revolving door. Nearly every episode of One Day at a Time that I've seen was like that--A very special episode. I guess the show appealed to fraus, or fraus who've gone through a divorce and identified with Ann and Bonnie Franklin's empathic portrayal of that woman?

Say what you will about Alice, but for many years that show was run by the people who wrote and produced I Love Lucy so they knew a sit com should be a comedy.

They're both dreadful. but I'll take ONE CUNT AT A TIME over PHALLUS any day. If for no other reason than the former had Valerie Bertinelli.

r385 Nancy Dussault is TWICE the woman that Bonnie Franklin was.

But Nancy Dussault is a nobody compared to Oscar-nominated Grayson Hall!

Trying this again...

Factoid: Nancy Dussault’s college boyfriend was Warren Beatty!

Did Warren know?

[quote]The comedy stuff they put into that episode where Alex acts like a bitch and Ann slaps him were so contrived.

Well, I guess that just about sums up ODAAT. The drama in the comedy is contrived and the comedy in the drama is contrived.

I like to imagine the "This is it!" repetition in the theme song being an apologetic warning to the viewers. "Sorry, this is as good as the show gets!"

Huh. I always thought that was Bonnie singing "This is shit!" over and over

The theme song in reverse.

Susan Richardson should have played Julie. She resembled Bonnie and Valerie. But she was a shit actress.

The monologue is a bit cheesey and not realistic.

But I don't mind because she makes a few good points, it's deliberately funny sometimes and there are things you think that you would never tell another person out loud. A monologue like this or voiceovers are the only way to convey our inner thoughts in this medium.

I felt the piece was truthful and not over-the-top UNTIL ... she starts singing to herself at the end.

UGH.

Just cut the singing and I'm okay with this.

[quote] I lived with a Jewish grandmother for a few years and when anyone died before 70, she’d always comment, “so young!”

Try before 95!

I just watched about 15 seconds of that fucking monologue at the end and had to stop when she did her first quick inhalation of breath which shows just how deep and meaningful her monologue is.

The most entertaining aspect of One Day at a time now is watching Bonnie Franklin take the material so seriously.

Bonnie as Shirley Valentine…

If Bonnie were still alive, I'd be writing a vehicle for her where she plays a well-meaning but grandiose, sideboob-baring, shrill woman leftover from the 1970s. Instead of seeming empowered and feisty, she now seems monstrous and evil. We'd explore her life through flashbacks and perhaps there could have been production numbers to indicate her emotional state throughout the saga. Maybe some voice over while she grins trollishly at the camera.

Every episode would have a monologue.

R423, I'd attend that show!

MeTV airing the pilot and episode 2, starting at 8 pm ET tonight.

Did she slap herself in that one-woman show?

At the end, R426. Fade to black.

Good God, Shirley Valentine was a terrible play. I can't imagine how many blue-haired matinee ladies there must have been to keep that monstrosity running. It made Rattigan look like Beckett.

Was Shirley Valentine written specifically for Pauline Collins? That was the vibe I always got, basically a showcase piece for a particular actor, not something to be reused or rotated in rep.

Has Shirley Valentine ever been staged with Tovah Feldsuh, Bonnie Franklin, Linda Lavin, or Sally Kirkland essaying the role?

r430 Did you somehow miss r422?

R407 The Jeffersons knew that too - it was by far the lightest of the Norman Lear shows. That’s probably why it never really got the respect of his other shows like Maude etc etc. (Certainly a far better show than Alice or ODAAT of course)

And The Jeffersons is the only one of those Lear shows that's watchable (maybe All in the Family), but the others are so 'heavy' and preachy. Though, at least Maude had Bea Arthur. As has been said before, ODAAT's scripts read like they were written at the local community center's feminist playwriting workshop.

To be fair, the Norman Lear shows are a product of their time. Similarly, you can go back and watch a bevy of forgotten (but once popular) Broadway and Off-Broadway theater from that time and think the same thing. Back in the late 60s and 70s, it was de rigueur to deliver heavy-handed social drama (what we would now call progressive) as entertainment. But now that times have changed and many of those messages have already been incorporated into our mainstream thinking (e.g. equal rights, abortion, gay families, anti-war, etc.) that it now comes across as preachy and over-the-top. It's the result of a battle fought at full tilt, frozen in time, and then viewed backwards as quaint and forced when out of context. I doubt that "Kennedy's Children" or "Fifth of July" would seem as relevant now as they did then. Or, for that matter, even classics such as Ibsen's "A Doll's House" or "Ghosts".

R431, ooops! I must have scrolled by too quickly.

R433 wrote: And The Jeffersons is the only one of those Lear shows that's watchable (maybe All in the Family), but the others are so 'heavy' and preachy. Though, at least Maude had Bea Arthur. As has been said before, ODAAT's scripts read like they were written at the local community center's feminist playwriting workshop.

I agree. Jeffersons was written as a straight out comedy. And the writers of All in the Family were much more skilled in blending the comedy and drama elements than One Day at a Time.

The final season of Maude tried blending drama and comedy on a more regular basis, sometimes as Emmy bait. Conrad Bain gave a surprisingly touching performance as he tried to make peace with his son who was a draft dodger and it was after Carter offered amnesty.

Really? I found the last season of Maude barely watchable. Bea knew the gig was up, and apparently so did the writers when they planned to completely reformat the whole show.

There's so much ass-kissing in the YouTube comments of Ann's Crisis! People actually praising her acting! People calling her attractive!

Scary that these creatures live among us.

I just saw the entire final season on FETV and although some elements like the new maid didn't work at all, I liked the new Phillip much more than the first an some of the episodes, like their annual musical offering, where they tried to help Baby Sally dance again were hilarious. It also feature the Borden Twins, aka Teensy and Weensy.

I will agree that new Philip was 1000x hotter than old Philip, even if he looked NOTHING like Carol or the ex or Maude.

I'll give you the Baby Sally episode. The whole season wasn't crap, but it was definitely in steep decline from where they started.

And yes, I recently watched the entire run online too using a "liberated" amazon streaming stick.

[quote]R422 [italic]This is the only recording of Bonnie Franklin in the one-woman show “Shirley Valentine”[/italic]

And thank god for that.

36??? That face??? 😂😂😂😂😂

The final season of Maude also began with one of the best episodes ever, the "death" of the hated Aunt Tinkie. It was the first episode to air after Bea Arthur won her only Emmy for Maude and the LA Times noted that it was a great episode to cap off her win. The final season also had the very interesting episode where Arthur tries to stop a gay bar from opening in Tuckahoe only to back off when he realizes it's correctly zoned.

I'll bet you all miss me now that I'm gone.

I'm watching the second episode. Ann is having some kind of manic episode (!!!) where a guy picked her up over Moo Goo Gai Pan and a martini. She has come home to rave to her daughters about it.

"Brace yourselves, Annie Romano met a man in a restaurant!"

Moo Goo Gai Pan and martinis? Did she vomit at the table?

R446, I'm sure she came home and puked it up on Julie's bed from sheer spite.

Another episode that I watched last night had her melting down over flat ginger ale. It's all about her her her and the girls have to forgive her after some long monologue. I feel sorry for those kids and I maintain Julie is a good kid if rebellious. Fuck, who wouldn't be in that house? I hate seeing her get ganged up on by Ann and 'Barbie.'

[quote]R447 I hate seeing her get ganged up on by Ann and 'Barbie.'

I thought this said [bold]gangbanged[/bold] by

All that slapping and angst and crises led Ann to a heart attack.

All this over a yeast infection that left her too raw for a properly triumphant shuffle-off-to-Buffalo finale to the scene.

[quote] I thought this said gangbanged by

Her Dad?

I do love the idea that the Bonstress was all bent out of shape with the writing in the first season for trying to make it funny. Well, she clearly was successful in nipping that whole humour thing in the bud.

R452 I don’t recall the earlier eps being funny either do you?

I was born in 79 and of course I know who Bonnie is. I’m glad I’m not the only one who found her monstrous.

"When Plucky is really monstrous: The Ann Romano Story"

Gonna turn 30 next year, and that monologue is totally unrelatable to me. A 36 year old woman fretting about being a grandma? Seems medieval.

As for me? I have no idea how I got here. I feel more 19 than 29 and I live that way too (somewhat by choice but more by circumstance/misfortune). I don’t have kids or a partner, don’t have property, don’t even have a full-time career, and I only have about 10k in the bank. Plus I haven’t even had sex before! It’s tough relating to anyone in my peer group, or really anyone over age 20.

It’s weird—intellectually I know my situation is pretty dire, to the point I should be panicking every night and wanting to jump off a bridge or having a schizophrenic breakdown about it; but I just feel sad and numb, that a third or more of my natural life is now gone and I didn’t really enjoy that much of it (hellish adolescence followed by 10-year depression) or experience/create anything that memorable. You’ll all rightly say ‘carpe diem’ and ‘it’s not too late’, but there’s so much I have to change and fix and get done in a short time that it feels insurmountable to me. I wouldn’t know where to start, or how to sustain the necessary energy.

And it’s getting hard to control the growth of my nascent bitterness toward people who knew what they wanted to do and pursued it singlemindedly from young, or people who had big supportive tight-knit communities around them that were actually healthy and not-toxic, or people who enjoyed the company of others and themselves too in a full honest open way.

Don’t think I’m about to start talking to my reflection in a nightgown, but I’m definitely feeling quite fragile and down and paralysed by age.

R456=rambling frau cunt who has weddings for her cats.

By the way: tl; dr.

R456, I'm up early and you're not alone. I'm struggling with much of the same with some variations.

R456 is this the Millennial spin on Ann's monologue.?

r456 sounds like Rhoda Morgenstern circa 1970.

Is r456 cradling he mug while she’s typing?

R457 try again babes! I’m allergic to cats and also hate them! Plus marriage is rape as practise so why would I support that? If you want to talk to a Frau call my hetero sister🙃

The rest of you are slimy limpdick dogpilers as well but I can’t be fucked rebutting your all your nonsense!

R462=retard frau cunt trying way too hard to matter and failing.

R463 adding ‘crazy’ and ‘cunt’ to the mix huh? wow v cute and original no one has ever called a woman those things in conjunction before!!!maybe this will be a new classic read for misogynists everywhere👏😂

btw you forgot to add ‘bitch’ and to roast me for my weight (tho that would be a waste of characters given that im slim so)

Ann's heart attack was a one and done. Had no follow up whatsoever. Other than donut rating and bopping around with a ridiculous feathered hat on what were her risk factors?

Beer Belly would have been the better candidate for that story.

R465, that heart attack story was written for me when I told the writers I want an Emmy Award this year so you better give me something Emmy worthy!

It was either a heart attack of chlamydia. The writers conceded that Ann was so unfuckable no one would believe she got an STI.

You're too stupid to be a bitch, R464, but just stupid enough to be a cunt. Your use of emoji confirms my opinion.

R460 Rhoda Morgenstern rarely gave up, despite life beating her up repeatedly, and she had a sense of humor about her problems. She had, what they would have called when she was a little girl in the Bronx, “moxie.” I think that’s partly why she was such an endearing character, despite being an abrupt person who might not sit well with some American viewers. I’ve read that the reason Phyllis’s daughter Bess liked Rhoda in the first MTM episode was so the audience wouldn’t totally hate Rhoda for fighting with Mary.

Ann was supposed to be raped but it was nixed. Edith Bunker was nearly raped instead.

She ended up with a 3 episode arc with a married man that BF had to be coaxed into

[quote] She ended up with a 3 episode arc with a married man

That Henna-rinse Whore!

R463/R468 ok if it makes u happy then i’m a cunt....something all the straight men you crave and can’t have want to fuck. so!!!

and just for u bc u love it🙃😂🎈🌴☄️🥦⛳️🛵🔮🛍🍫🐸👹🌂

Took you that long to come up with that lame response, R472? That’s your best?

Sad.

R472 actually is Ann Romano and, DAMN IT!, is slapping people's faces in cyberspace.

R472 learned how to overuse emoji and post retarded abbreviations from the stupid frau cunt Tik Tok channel.

[quote]can’t have want to fuck

R472=retarded frau cunt

Can you two get a room? Even Ann locked herself in the bedroom so as not to disturb the party.

If Ann Romano were reading this thread right now she'd be closing her eyes while talking...that's how you knew she was angry.

DAMMIT, r456! *slaps*

DAMMIT, r457! *slaps*

DAMMIT, r463! *slaps*

DAMMIT, r464! *slaps*

DAMMIT, r468! *slaps*

DAMMIT, r472! *slaps*

The above posts scare me.

R486 1) Those are brilliant; 2) I’ll never trust another photo as long as I live; and 3) Bonnie Franklin is already trying to get posthumous awards for her work in those films.

Bonnie Franklin used to chew threw the scenery of One Day At A Time, That's My Mama, Alice, and The Price Is Right while taping one scene where she typically yelled at Mackenzie Phillips and then slapped everyone within a three foot radius. I couldn't stand her.

At least with Linda Lavin you knew someone famous was going to drop into Mel's on their way to Tucson or something for a bowl of Mel's chili and to get their grits kissed.

Do people actually dip their feet in boiling water the way Lavin did in the ending credits (while sounding like Ella Fitzgerald getting fucked in a washing machine as background ambience)? That water always looked way too hot. I swear her son was trying to kill her.

I think it would have helped Alice's tip money if she'd bothered to wash her feet BEFORE going to work.

A shame there was never a cross over episode between One Day at a Time and Alice. Julie has a fight with Ann and runs away to Phoenix. Ann finds out she's in Phoenix and discovers Julie hanging out at Mel's Diner. Drama and hilarity both ensue.

Ann slap Alice, Alice beats the shit out of Ann, and then they have torrid lesbian sex. A very special episode on CBS.

This was horrible then, it’s horrible now.

An Alice/One Day at a Time cross over would have had to feature a tap dance competition between Vera and Ann. And Ann's mother and Mel's mother could have tension as well. Two part episode could end with Julie deciding to go back home with Ann, after she realizes she'd rather get slapped on occasion rather than assume Tommy's duties of having to wash Alice's sore feet every night.

Sadly, no ODAAT/Alice crossover/mashup, but thanks to God there was an Alice/Dukes of Hazzard crossover episode (Alice, season 8, episode 1). Boss Hogg and Deputy Enos show up in Phoenix! OMFG!

R480 - R486

First off... LOL

Second, apparently, Ann was having an identity crisis.

Would One Day at a time have been as successful if the show itself had been called "Ann's Crisis"?

After 9 long years and pushing her hard plastic shell of a charter on us, the only one people ever liked and remembered to this day is Valerie Bertinelli. Shocking when she resurfaced 60 years old on the Food Network all bubbly like she was still 16.

I hope they do One Day at a Time live on TV next year.

[quote]David (Richard Masur), who disappears in season two

I think he disappeared before season one was over. Masur was on the Gilbert Gottfried podcast and said he BEGGED Norman Lear to let him out of his contract. He wanted to appear in just one episode where David was killed "so he could never come back." Lear said no and they ended up taping just a few more, but Lear didn't let the character die, much to Masur's disappointment.

Much to MY disappointment, Gilbert didn't ask why he wanted off the show so much, nor if it had anything to do with Bonnie.

There should have been a ODAAT/FOL crossover, they taped next to each other and Norman Lear would also switch the writers and producers of both shows back and forth

That gay kid from ODAAT, Glen, said he would hang more with the FOL girls on set than Valerie, too snobby, or Mackenzie, too drugged out

I would have loved to see those two redheads Bonnie Franklin and Charlotte Rae chewing the scenery together

[quote] I hope they do One Day at a Time live on TV next year.

Only if they cast Mike White as a trans Ann Romano.

If they did do a One Day at a Time episode as a new live version, which one would work best? A slapping episode? Barbara's friend? David hold me? Ann's Crisis?