Gay Men Saying They Only Like Penis and Not Vagina Is A Fetish

So many trans are not only completely divorced from reality, they expect everyone else to be as well.

For the vast majority of gay men it isn't enough for someone to "look" like a man (which FTMs rarely do, honestly), it has to BE a man, with working male parts (and cum), and the same situation goes for lesbians. But the Ts want to whine, nag, and hector people into sharing their delusions.

That old fool really doesn’t know who Lil Nas X is lol

CULTURE WARS!!! How refreshing!!

So what’s the penalty if you don’t obey their commands?

r2, he is 52 and British. I'm 51 and American and while I had a basic awareness of Lil Nas X, I had never heard of Jack Harlow before. This is not our generation's music. When you reach your 50s, you likely won't know pop culture personalities.

So are you a penis fetishist?

Gay men started this lunacy.

It worked so well against the lesbians, now they're going to try the same shit with us.

feddish.

R7 - how so? So gay men are to blame for all of this nonsense?

This is what happens when you let mentally ill people take control of our organizations and movement

The funny thing is, ask a tranny this:

“If gender is only a social construct, why don’t you go and hook up with a fellow transsexual?”

You’ll NEVER get an honest answer. But it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out: They want someone with real, working genitals.

On top of that, they don’t experience the same level of validation if they’d hook up with another tranny. Talk about deranged.

It was acceptance of homosexuality that led to this, total moral degradation. Who knows where it’s going to lead next?

We need a conservative cultural revolution, return things to their natural order.

If you only want to have sex with adults that's an age fetish

Perhaps that's next on the agenda.

"If you aren't willing to fuck a vagina you're a bad person" - 'gay' trans men and conversion therapists.

R5 is that your sad excuse for being pop culturally ignorant?

I pay it no mind. Twitter is best avoided.

Yes, R6, I'm a proud penis fetishist.

And apparently lesbians who don’t want to shag ‘women’ with dicks are attacked as transphobic. It seems ‘girl dicks’ are a thing now. So I suppose ‘men’ with vaginas are too.

Transgender people are nuts. Gay men just have to keep repeating that 1) they are homosexual and not LGBT 2) they are only attracted to the same sex, biological born men.

Gay people have to make it clear (and constant) that no one else decides what they are. Homosexuality means being attracted to the same sex. Keep stating your identity and their attacks will eventually fall.

And I think Dreyfus is the actor who has been in pretty shit comedies like The Thin Blue Line and Gimme Gimme Gimme, which are to be avoided.

R21 Gimme Gimme Gimme is great! A bit dated now, but fun.

*Now* it's a "fetish"? They've been saying this to lesbians for years and years now.

Besides, genital "preference" is by definition NOT a fetish, which is a "an object or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete sexual expression." That obviously excludes those body parts that are made for sex.

Coercing, insisting, pressuring, or otherwise trying to convince someone to have sex with someone they don't want to is rape culture.

Telling gay men that they need to unlearn their lack of attraction to the vagina is homophobic.

OP You don’t have to listen to everybody or anybody.

Are they spouting what they think in their heads because it is social media?

Would they actually say something like this to someone's face in real life?

I guess that I am asking, has anyone met anyone who says this crap in real life?

Le sigh.

People on Twitter say ridiculous over the top things because that's what gets attention on Twitter.

Saying the sky is pink causes controversy and gets responses.

Say it's blue and no one cares.

Why spend your whole life freaking out about The Trans OP? Surely there are more productive things you can do with your life.

No one is going to cut off your penis without your permission

See responses in line:

[quote] Are they spouting what they think in their heads because it is social media?

Yes

[quote] Would they actually say something like this to someone's face in real life?

No

[quote] I guess that I am asking, has anyone met anyone who says this crap in real life?

No

Yeah I do think some people overreact when reading that kind of BS on Twitter. They're all doom and gloom - e.g. "society is collapsing!"

Yet I never hear any actual real people in my life ever talk about it.

When are they going to start trying this on straight people?

Does this mean we can start calling straight men homophobes, and shame them into having sex with us?

Their basic problem is that no one wants to have sex with them outside of the fetishists, so now they’re tagging US as the fetishists. This shit has to stop.

Good lord. Well, at least its taking attention off the trans women for being crazy for a moment.

As someone said above, this is sexual coercion and sexual harassment.

A straight [bold]man[/bold] [bold]harassing[/bold] a [bold]woman[/bold] to sleep with him is [bold]sexual harassment[/bold].

A [bold]Transgender[/bold] person [bold]harassing gay men[/bold] or [bold]gay women[/bold] into sleeping with them is [bold]sexual harassment[/bold].

It is indeed [bold]rape culture[/bold] and those that encourage it are [bold]encouraging[/bold] sexual harassment.

R12 Nonsense. There are plenty of trangenders who date their own kind. Caitlyn Jenner is an example. There's a correlation between autogynephilia (arousal at the thought of oneself as a woman) and gynadromorphophilia (attraction to trans people).

Dataloungers love to play the armchair philosopher - to authoritatively discuss a myriad of issues without possessing any data to back them up!

R34 I never heard of Caitlyn dating a transgender — can you back that up?

I have people in my real life (though I've since cut off contact with them) that have espoused exactly these points of view. It isn't just a handful of loons on Twitter. Most but not all of them were "allies" rather than trans.

Why does r13 still exist? This deplorable doesn’t belong on this forum, openly advocating for the regression of gay rights.

This is why we all need to be careful with this anti-trans agenda. It’s fueling the right wing who are against gay people.

I get what you mean r37 , but the Trans lobby, to me, is anti Gay. There are always going to be people who think we are unnatural ,but that shouldn’t stop us from pointing out things that could destroy us.

The idea of the Trans lobby and let’s face it , that is basically all Gay Rights seems to be atm, is totally at odds with being Gay.

The idea that a young boy playing with dolls is more likely to be possibly a girl, rather than a Gay person or with a Lesbian , playing at boy’s sports means maybe your a boy ,is totally and utterly fucked. It plays with stereotypes and plays into every shitty opinion people have about Gays. That we are the opposite sex trapped in the wrong body.

By playing with language and discussing how fluid everyone is , basically fucks with the entire idea of Gay. I am Gay because I am attracted to my own sex.

This whole agenda is being used as a sledgehammer to help destroy society. We are being told to pronounce patent untruths and if we don’t we are bigots. This is bullshit.

You're never going to achieve much arguing with crazy people.

But you also shouldn't compromise reality by agreeing with them.

R38 R40

Okay but we all know that Twitter Trans is worse than actual trans. Like I genuinely feel for people and support those who feel like they are trapped in the wrong body and want to feel closer to their true selves. But the new movement of forcing everyone to change their language and identities to fit be compatible with their world is insane. The They/Them, nonbinary, demiboy/demigirl, pansexual, and abrosexual shit didn't seem to exist before tumblr and twitter. Also we can all blame retards like JVN for causing this "gender revolution" mess. The only reason why she didn't transition is because she knows she would make a troglodyte of a woman.

R38

“Destroy society?” Really? You’re an extremist with bullshit language like this. This is why I can’t rock with the extreme anti-trans.

Every trans person I know supports gay rights. The conservatives overwhelmingly don’t. The Trump administration removed sexual orientation from anti-discrimination policies. The Trump administration targeted gay parents. This is the latest conservative regime and we saw the regression of gay rights during it.

Enabling the conservatives means gay people will suffer.

R43 I am not American. I don’t give a flying fuck about Trump. This bullshit is spreading through the Western World, like many American bullshit ideas it flows quite quickly across the world.

“Destroy society?” Really? You’re an extremist with bullshit language like this. This is why I can’t rock with the extreme anti-trans.” R43

You have proven my point r43. Using language to fuck society. Extreme? I am not extreme. I bet you I am saying what the majority of people who have concerns about Trans are thinking. You are using language to mean nothing.

Extreme? What is extreme? Prove it? Don’t just cast words at people and think by using them you frighten everyone else off.

I have a lot of respect for Trans people. Everyone I have met is nice. No problem with them transitioning at all. I have no problem calling them her or he either. Is that extreme? What I have a problem with is being told that is not enough. No I have to say she has always been a woman, that there is no difference between her and a woman on any degree and that natural born women can be called anything other than women to accommodate a small minority, the rest of the world has to bend over backwards.

That is extremist. Making people think and say things they don’t feel is extremist. Forcing society to accept something they are not ready too is extremist. Making language change so you can confuse people is extremist. CIS, Non binary, womex , Latinx, me ,they, she, them, Demi sexual, what the fuck do these mean to the majority of people who are being made to respect this bullshit?

Many Gay people, Lesbians and women feel we are being disappeared and language is one of the ways it happens.

Many people believe they can just change society to suit them. It has always been like that. Unfortunately the reaction to that has always occurred as well. By pushing this agenda you are ultimately helping push people to an extreme reaction the other way and Gays will be the first to feel that.

R44.

Amen R44.

R44

Of course you’re not American. I bet you’re one of those annoying British posters obsessed with trans and Meghan Markle. You “don’t care about Trump” - of course you don’t. You’re a conservative who probably agrees with him.

Now you’re moving goalposts. Your original post said “the trans agenda is destroying society” which is so far from the truth, and it is extreme. It’s what homophobes say. It’s what Nazis say. It’s what racists say.

What’s “destroying society” is climate change. What’s “destroying society” is unchecked capitalism.

Do you even hear yourself? “New language” is extreme? Language evolves all the time. Gay people and women aren’t “being disappeared”, sounds like you spend too much time on Twitter and on conservative sources obsessing over Twitter randoms.

“Forcing society to accept something they are not ready too is extremist.”

This is so dumb and deplorable. You’re someone who would be on the side of the racist whites during the Civil Rights Movement. Or the slave owners. Or the homophobes during the gay rights movement (they’d still agree with this).

R47, there's a difference between language evolving and the policing of language. What's happening now is not an organic evolution of language but the attempt to forcibly impose an ideology through language. This ideology believes that biological men are women and wants to impose that belief on the rest of society, even if 99% of society does not agree with that. Biological men are not women and biological women are not men. There is already sufficient language to cover the cases of those people who reject their own sex and believe they are the other sex - they are transwomen and transmen. We don't need the "cis" crap for actual men and women, to imply that there are also other kinds of people who are equally men and women. There are not.

A gay man should be able to say he likes dick without being harassed for allegedly being transphobic. And such attitudes are not limited to a few loons on Twitter, but have saturated the so-called "LGBTQ+ community", where in many situations we are attacked for saying we are attracted to our own sex. Especially in so-called "LGBTQ+" organisations, the "LGBTQ+" media, dating sites, the few bars and clubs that are left, even Mr Gay England. They all now serve the trans and there are no gay public spaces or forums left. It's like we almost have to create an underground subculture all over again, in order to meet in secret. At least on DL we can (anonymously) state our views, but we would be stoned for expressing that we are same-sex and not same "gender" attracted in many environments in our real lives. Even on DL until a year or so ago, any threads slightly critical of trans demands were immediately deleted.

This is how the transcult respond to someone saying that gay men should have the right to be attracted solely to other biological men:

[quote]This is so dumb and deplorable. You’re someone who would be on the side of the racist whites during the Civil Rights Movement. Or the slave owners. Or the homophobes during the gay rights movement (they’d still agree with this).

Remember when the internet was like AOL and people didn’t have the same platform they do now? You remember, when boys were boys and MEN were MEN?

If you go to a proctologist, you want a man. A biological man? or is a trans man exactly the same because trans men are men?

If I go to a therapist, I want someone who is gay. Is a trans woman who dates women the same? one who was in what looked like a straight relationship for 20 years until they transitioned, or can I select a gay person who is gay full stop?

The subset of trans who accuse people of literal violence and inducing suicide because of misgendering or disclosing the physical nature of our own attraction are impossible to be with. You will be wrong, you will have said something you can't correct or apologize for; the trans part is not the definining quality of that exchange. It's the ruinous "aha, I've got you now, you son of a bitch" pounce in casual chatter with strangers on the fucking internet. They are not representative of the trans people I know, who simply want to live their lives.

Most gay guys won’t have sex with guys with small penises. Why would they want to have sex with a guy with no penis?

R1 "So many trans are not only completely divorced from reality, they expect everyone else to be as well."

Twenty-somethings in a limbo between education/ first jobs and a first meaningful relationship. If they're 30 they're fluidity stops, the discussions are forgotten and they skip DRAG RACE for THE CROWN. We had this forever because we know bisexuals. Thousands of years two gender existed but thanks to Hollywood celebrities there are now weekly transitions in headline or random news - instead of at least occasional reports on murdered gays around the world. But what else can someone expect from the Twitter TQ+ circle of whom 90% use Asian yaoi manga avatars? Comics for the developmentally delayed unfucked - written and read mostly by women.

When straight men say the only like vagina, gays always complain and want to convince them the reason is because they haven't tried dick or accuse them of homophobia. No don't complain and suck on trans vaginas.

No r54, gays don't care if straight men say they only like vagina. Stop lying to promote your transcult.

[quote] When straight men say the only like vagina, gays always complain and want to convince them the reason is because they haven't tried dick or accuse them of homophobia.

No we don’t. We just nod and wait for them to get horny enough to stick their dicks in our mouths.

R54 bullshit. What world are you living in? Any (sane) gay I know legitimately recognises that straight guys are attracted to vaginas, not dicks. It’s not “discrimination” it’s sexual preference, and we get over it.

r57 Read R56 comment. It validates mine. Gays have no right to complain about being forced to like trans men vaginas.

r56 Trans men with vaginas are nodding and waiting for you to get horny and lick their juices.

Oh look, r58 is an idiot seeking VALIDATION.

How does your brain even think it is possible to be forced to like something?

You are transphobic.

No, I’m pussyphobic

This is because you haven't tried it.

R58, it is good to know that you are in favor of sexual harassment, rape, and conversion therapy.

All people have the right to say no to sex with anyone they want for any reason they want. The reason may not be nice, but it doesn't matter what the reason is. It could be based on race, religion, sex, body size, shape, etc... The bottom line is that people are under no obligation to consent to sex with anyone.

Your statement that gay men have no right to complain about being forced to like vagina is the same as saying a woman asked for it because of her outfit, or that a woman has no right to turn down sex with her husband.

Hate speech against gay men.

How surprising.

This thread is fake and being used to promote the right-wing. These are a couple of fringe people. BTW, dude on the bottom right in OP’s tweet wasn’t being serious.

I saw a lot of trans people on Twitter defending Lil Nas X and disagreeing with this.

Twitter =/= reality, BTW.

R58 people post all kinds of shit on here due to the anonymity. My point stands. I’ve never in my life known a gay guy who felt they were being discriminated against because a straight guy didn’t want to fuck them.

[quote] This is because you haven't tried it.

How many times have we heard that from the gay-erasure crowd before?

r65 Go with your drivel to the gay men who harass and question straight men for being attracted exclusively to women with vaginas then? Double standards.

You should give an opportunity to men with vaginas.

This is a pro-rape thread. We are expected to have sex against our consent.

Trans culture is just an extension of rape culture

I wasn't speaking about rape or coertion, I worded it wrongly, just that you have to experiment a little and give opportunities to male with vaginas, that's all.

Try telling a trans person that they are required to have sex with you against their will. See if they consider it rape or not.

Never said against one's will, I worded it incorrectly, sorry. I was talking about open mindness and experimenting a little with men with different genitalia.

Of course the people crowing about other people defining their gender identity feel entitled to define other people’s sexual orientation. We can play along with their little games, say the sky is purple, pretend that you’re a man with your pubey beard and front home, but you’re a woman, plain and simple. Sexual orientation is based in biological reality, not a thought disorder like transgenderism.

This idea that gay men and women can change their sexual orientation has been promoted by the right for years now. It was homophobic then and it’s homophobic now.

There should be no tolerance for homophobia so it’s time we tell these shrill nutjobs to fuck the hell off.

So do these trolls all of a sudden like Lil Nas X now, after they spent months attacking this explicitly openly gay man who has moved the industry forward for gay men?

The reply to the tweet that said this is what happens when you let the lunatics run the asylum is spot on.

Telling gayen they have to unlearn their preferences, telling them what the basis of their sexual attraction to another person should be is basically conversion therapy via other means. It's homophobic and arrogant control freakery to even try to dream of dictating such things to other people.

THIS IS LITERAL VIOLENCE

Exactly, R78. It’s astonishing how much of other people’s lives they need to control so that they can LiVe ThEiR tRuTh. Guess no one else gets to!

[quote] I wasn't speaking about rape or coertion, I worded it wrongly, just that you [bold]have[/bold] to experiment a little and give opportunities to male with vaginas, that's all.

Not speaking of coertion (sic), but we have to respond sexually the way you say we do?

Do you really not see your hypocrisy?

We don’t “have to” do anything sexually we don’t want to. Neither do you. To assert otherwise is to promote rape.

[quote] That old fool really doesn’t know who Lil Nas X is lol

Not everyone listens to the utter garbage filling the Top 40 these days, sorry.

R75. There are no men with different genitalia. All men have a penis. If they were not born with a penis they are not a man, they are trans and no one owes them their attraction.

r81 English is not my first language, you know I mean being open minded and try new things. Rape or coertion are crimes, expanding your mind not.

I think everyone should be able to be their true selves, but I am against is people who call me anti-trans for not wanting to have sex with a transman, and bisexual male porn performers, selling themselves as gay men who've seen the light and now can't get enough pussy calling gay men narrow-minded for not wanting to have sex with women.

[Quote] give opportunities to male with vaginas

Males have a penis. Females have a vagina. Here's a refresher for you.

R82

Only those who live under a rock don’t know who Lil Nas X is.

Then there are a LOT of people living under rocks.

Are trans the new incels?

“I want to have sex with you, therefore you owe me sex”

I see R2, R21, R82 attacking a gay man in an attempt to cloud his message. Gay men want MEN, real men, no matter what you troons say. Why don’t you go fap to Chris-Chan’s incest saga and leave the adults in peace.

The trans person is in the wrong, but he's playing the same little games you gays invented for straights.

Be ready to be called transphobic the same way you call homophobic every straigth man who dares to affirm that he isn't attracted to other men. Furthermore, you use this wrongly called "homophobia" as a sign of them being gay.

You aren't the avantgarde of the wokeness anymore, so when the presence of trans people in the public scene is more prominent, be also ready for having to play their game: gay actors admiting how sexy this or that trans actor is, being flirty with them (or facing backlash), trans people scrutinizing the interaction of gay men and trans men and reading all kind of attraction and sexual innuendo, accusations of closeted attraction to trans men because the general public is transphobic, etc.

Enjoy your creation, folks.

[quote] Be ready to be called transphobic the same way you call homophobic every straigth man who dares to affirm that he isn't attracted to other men.

Nobody ever did this

Yes, you call them homophobic and interpretet that as a sign of their gayness. The whole DL existence is based on these premises.

Point to an example, please

Sorry if this is a repeat but I couldn't be bother to read the whole thread.

Is liking vagina and not cock a fetish?

I don't need to point to an example, you know it perfectly well.

Whenever a public personality manifests he isn't gay, the "his homophobia is the biggest give away" starts, and you know it.

I even remember a journo from a gay magazine goint to a press conference about a film starred by Tom Hardy and out of the blue and without any connection with the film subject, in front of his colleagues and wife, asked him if he was gay or bisexual. He was pissed obviously, and as expected, the reactions of the gay brigade accusing him of being gay and closeted started. Because he can't be straight just because someone raped him while he was passed out on drugs.

I don’t think r93 is going to be able to come up with too many examples of this.

Just another frau trying to tell gay men what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

[quote] I don't need to point to an example, you know it perfectly well.

No, I don’t, because it’s bullshit.

r94 every time some of you is attracted to an straight man you know, you want him to experiment with you because in your head he can't be just straight, he must lust after you, even after rejecting over and over your advances.

Be ready, trannies will do the same to you.

Apparently to this frau, datalounge is the “gay brigade”

Now she’s reading our minds

I am really tired of breeders telling gay people how they are supposed to think

Frau? You are so misogynistic. I'm not a frau, and you know I am right on the money.

You invented this game, and you are about to be played out.

[quote] Yes, you call them homophobic and interpretet that as a sign of their gayness. The whole DL existence is based on these premises.

The whole of DL is based on a premise that you can’t even find one example of?

Breeders, fraus... what a bunch of disgusting people gays like you are.

Block the "you gays have brought all this on yourselves!!" troll and enjoy the silence.

[quote] You invented this game, and you are about to be played out.

Says the cunt who’s making up gay men’s thoughts then condemning us for them

I hit a nerve, I see.

“This is so dumb and deplorable. You’re someone who would be on the side of the racist whites during the Civil Rights Movement. Or the slave owners. Or the homophobes during the gay rights movement (they’d still agree with this).”

—Anonymous R47

So r47 after saying I am English, you say I would be on the side of the slave owners . Where the fuck are these slave owning plantations in England, Surrey? Oh you mean the Civil War. Your’s or Ours 1642-1649? So to use a word a phrase I love what absolute tosh.

I believe with all my heart in Black Rights. I love love love Black Men. So fucking hot and so superior in hotness to many White men. I absolutely believe in equal rights. I absolutely believe in Gay Rights and I have stood in Gay rallies to bring down bigotry.

But both these things are about Equality. They were neither of them saying Society needed to change itself to fit us in.

The Trans lobby makes us want to believe in several unbelievable things all at the same time. A Trans man or woman who completely becomes the opposite sex they were born in and have the operation, I have no problem with. Go to a Girl’s change room.

But we all know that 90% of this is driven by people who have not transitioned and if that were not enough of a problem, it is being driven by people with other agendas.

This will not go away. So we need to discuss. That means not yelling Nazi and bigot just because you don’t know how to answer the question.

Hit a nerve by lying? Hardly cunt. Liars have no power.

Cunt? Another slur? Why can't you debate without resorting to misogynistic slurs? You know I am right and you can't deny it, hence your rage and barrage of insults.

You declare yourself right without arguing any points, just by arguing use of slurs?

And you wonder why we find you ridiculous?

I won’t be civil with people who just lie to make their arguments

r111 You only spit insults, I made a post whose content you aren't able to deny. You are the ridiculous one.

Once you announced you could read gay men’s minds, you revealed yourself as a troll

[quote] You only spit insults, I made a post whose content you aren't able to deny. You are the ridiculous one.

I already countered your nonsense numerous times. You lied, and cannot back up your lie.

Still waiting for an example of DL saying a straight man is homophobic for saying he’s not attracted to men.

r112 You aren't civil PERIOD. You represent the mentality I described before. You insult and use slurs against other people, try to manipulate others into liking you or you'll cry wolf, but god forbid people call you out on this or others use the same tactics, like trans men.

In others words, you can’t defend what you wrote

[quote] Yes, you call them homophobic and interpretet that as a sign of their gayness. The whole DL existence is based on these premises.

Still waiting for an example of this

In other words, bye bye. Dream about vaginas.

Calling men secretly gay for behaving in a homophobic manner is what straight people do because the punchline “You’re just secretly a dirty f——t.”

And can I please see all the media articles where people give credibility to gay men announcing its homophobic for certain men they find hot to want to fuck them. It doesn’t exist because no one would ever get away with it. The trans acceptance banner is not based in any credibility. It’s getting ad buys over public insanity and humiliation. People love to revel in the freakishness of this.

Gay men and lesbians still have credibility, despite how much the trans contingent tries to lessen it. The trans civil rights movement is the only one in history to LOSE supporters.

To not want to fuck them*

Why do trolls think they can come here and just make these outrages lies about gay men and what we think?

Do they really think we’re not going to call them out on their lies?

r119 Marvel Star Anthony Mackie Objects to Falcon and the Winter Soldier Romance: ‘Homosexuality Has Been Exploited’

r114 Men like sex, Women don’t Talk about reading minds and know what other people like or not.

Hitting on straight guys

If all females disappeared from the earth...

Fine, then I have a penis fetish, if that’s what it takes to make these transwrecks go away.

The moron trans troll on here is literally trying to convert gays.

I'm so full of this trans craziness. Gender is a concept that was created a few decades ago out of the blue and that has no correlation to biology or anything related to human physiology. In reality only SEX exists. It's clearly an agenda to destroy youth. In the past 5 years clinics for trans surgery (on minors!) have been opening at an alarming rate. Mental issues among these people are off the charts and they are poisoning our lives with their nonsense. It's tragic that White gays are the ones who mostly support this shit. I know a few friends who say "FTM are rEal MeeeN" and yes, they think they are gay even if they fuck a vagina, because they are attracted to "masculinity" on the outside. I guess they could fuck a female bodybuilder and still call themselves "gay"...

[QUOTE] Cunt? Another slur? Why can't you debate without resorting to misogynistic slurs?

What is misogynistic about the term "cunt"? Some people are cunts.

Or is it misogynistic to criticize any woman for anything?

[quote] It worked so well against the lesbians, now they're going to try the same shit with us.

Toldja you were next.

DROP THE T.

None of those links come anywhere close to showing that “ the whole DL existence is based on these premises” that “every straigth man who dares to affirm that he isn't attracted to other men” is called homophobic.

In fact, they clearly show otherwise

The pathetic cunt's entire posting history is its 20-30 troll posts on this thread. Ignore it and maybe it will slink away and die.

I just can't think that every trans person thinks like this.

There are a few extremists who want to manipulate others.

r2 seems "special".

r135 unfortunately that is the prevailing trend among trans activists. If other trans think it's dumb but don't want to speak out, it's being done in their name, and they are complicit.

It's a very homophobic movement. Having a "genital preference" is not "transphobic", it's being sexually attracted to a particular sex, not someone's "gender", which as the trans activists have defined as "anything and everything the person wants to claim they are, instantly".

Just because a man suddenly declares he's a woman does not mean lesbians are obligated to date him or they're "transphobic" - it means they are homosexual, i.e., attracted sexually to people of the same sex. It doesn't matter how feminine or masculine a person is if they aren't the sex you are attracted to.

It's like a whole weird ongoing mass conversion therapy attempt.

The[bold] LGBT and Trans movements are[/bold] practically [bold]idolizing rape culture[/bold].

Homosexuality is same sex attraction. Your sexuality is not in question. It cannot change. IF you are gay, you are not going to start sleeping with someone who was born the opposite sex, [bold]unless you are not a gay person[/bold].

A few years ago "organizations" and so called "advocates" were preaching that gay men and woman should use queer because the term "gay" was outdated or (my favorite) not inclusive enough. Remember the Huff Post changing their "gay voices" to "Queer voices" and there was an uproar that was quickly silence when GLAAD and HRC went along with it. Why would Gay organizations be listening to a third rate pop culture website? Where did it came from that [bold]all of the sudden the word gay was no longer an accepted word[/bold] for some reason there was a need to replace it.

[bold]The red flag[/bold] was that along with the word "gay," the meaning of what it means to be a gay person, was also being erased as well.

Does it seem like the big gay advocacy groups are doing the gay community more harm than good these days?

[quote] There are a few extremists who want to manipulate others.

Well they sure seem to be all over the place and all over the media and SM and writing new laws and controlling gay organizations and rewriting school curricula and keeping women from speaking against female erasure and doing whatever the hell they please in the name of trans.

That is a few very busy people.

The only way gays are going to fight this is by [bold]asserting your own identity[/bold].

[bold]Correct others when they call you LGBT[/bold], no such thing exist where you can be Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender at the same time. [bold]You are a gay man[/bold]. [bold]You are a gay woman[/bold]. Period !

By all means don't support GLADD, HRC, and any other organization that is pushing this bullshit.

[quote] There are a few extremists who want to manipulate others.

They are not just a few and you know that. There is a lot of them and they are doing a lot to destroy the gay community.

If you shame, harass, and coerce gay people into having sex with the opposite sex that's homophobia. It's sexual harassment. It's advocacy for rape.

Totally agree, r141. We need to make the break and assert that we are gay again.

[quote] Does it seem like the big gay advocacy groups are doing the gay community more harm than good these days?

What big gay advocacy groups? They’ve been Trojan-horsed by Ts.

When someone tells a gay men who has to be open-minded, that person is just a homophobic dunce who's full of shit. Why do gay men HAVE to be open-minded? That's just another way of applying conversion therapy.

r139 Stonewall is a disgrace in the UK and I hope the British government pulls the public government funding aspect of its finances.

To everyone saying this is limited to people on Twitter, those people are loud enough to have legislation passed.

[quote]Lesbians will be breaking the law if they exclude biological males who are transgender from social events, after a controversial discrimination ruling set to become a national test case.

[…]

[quote]”I want to exclude people with penises, because being a lesbian is about same-sex attraction. It’s not about same-gendered attraction … There are many events that cater for the trans community in Tasmania that are all-inclusive.

[quote]”This event was going to be just for lesbians who are same-sex attracted.”

Transmen aren’t as aggressive or influential as transwomen but it’s only a matter of time before something like this happens to gay men.

There are no men with vaginas, get over it.

There are no women with dicks, get over it.

If that makes me trans phobic, so be it. I can live with that. I won't be forced to deny the laws of reality by anyone.

We are being bullied to say the unbelievable and what frustrates me is it is our own. They try to fling every piece of manure at you. You are a bigot, a Nazi, a Transphobe, a racist, fascist, Trump supporter, Far Right, Boris, Bot , everything they can throw at you

I am a Gay Man. I believe I am a Gay Man. I am not attracted to women, I am attracted to dick. What frustrates me is that other Gay men believe I am a traitor. But as I am still Gay, I still believe in Gay Rights and I still love cock, what have I betrayed? What am I a traitor of ? Unless what we are saying is being Gay is more than liking cock?

If it is a Political leaning, if it is thinking a particular way, then that is not being Gay. That is your political beliefs. You can believe that sexuality is safeguarded by espousing political beliefs. But that is not makes you Gay . If it did, everyone who espoused those beliefs would be Gay.

Until a few years ago I would have said that most Gay people would have been Centre Left. But that was more from observation. Now I feel we are being pushed towards a further political stand. Trans Rights have made many of us question the wisdom of what we are seeing in front of us.

If we don’t support Trans Rights, what do we mean by that? For me it is quite simple. I believe they should have the same rights as you and I. No more, no less. Don’t tell me I am killing Trans kids by not supporting bullshit, because I will say you are not supporting Gay kids who are killing themselves.

Trans seem unhappy with their own physical bodies, they don't satisfy them so some to cope with that have embarked on what I consider to be an extreme reaction and that is to totally reject the importance or central role of physicality in sexual attraction . Of course there are other aspects of attraction too particularly for long term relationships but physicality is the basis of sexual attraction. Physicality is not incidental and irrelevant to sexual attraction, we are not minds that just happen to be attached to a body that has no purpose or relevance. Physicality is cental and foundational to well physical and sexual attraction. All people thinking clearly understand this. Trans people and those who support the ideology dominant amongst trans activists are of course free to choose to say they reject dislike etc the role of physicality in sexual attraction regardless of how irrational that is.

But what they are not entitled to do is elevate their perspective to the moral highground, try to establish it as some self evident universal moral law and chide and harrase others into agreeing with them and sharing that perspective. In other words they have no ride to impose their belief and tell us we have to buy into it and go along for the ride . As well as telling us how uneducated and awful we are if we choose to not buy into their perspective. Trying to downplay the role of physicality in physical sexual attraction is utterly bizarre. People who are unhappy with the level of ability their physicality gives them to attract sexual romantic partners do not have the right to redefine the basis and nature of sexual attraction for all of us to accommodate their frustrations. In simple terms its not our fault or our problem or responsibility that you struggle to get laid . So sod off and stop being so sinister.

And yes it IS sinister to try to impose this on others. Choose for YOURSELVES only. Sexual attraction cannot be mandated through moral dogma born of disappointment.

R149.

I suffered a lot of crap growing up just because people thought I was gay. It took a lot for me to come to terms with being gay and admitting my attraction to men. The trans movement doesn't get to rob me of that just as I wouldn't presume to tell them to whom or what they should consider dating.

R150 Well written. On a different note, but that still regards this mindset, it's really worrisome how they (not only trans activists, but gay guys with extreme woke views as well) are trying to push the idea that your sexual attraction is indeed political, that you don't have control or ownership over your own body. I'm talking about that I'm reading more and more that if you reject someone from a certain ethnic group you are "racist". Apps removing ethnic filters and such. We will arrive to a point where we will have to be raped against our will just to demonstrate how anti racist we are to avoid social stigma. Just to think that it's impossible to do professional porn without doing interracial. What happened to "My body, my choice"?

[quote]I'm reading more and more that if you reject someone from a certain ethnic group you are "racist".

The interesting thing about this is the majority of the people I’ve heard/read say things like this are white. Remember when an episode of the Golden Girls was deemed racist because of so-called blackface? Black people objected (to that and similar acts of TV/movie censorship).

And FYI, 153: apparently you’re ableist for excluding someone with a disability from your dating pool.

Don't forget, dating apps need to make money and have as broad a clientele as possible. They can't (in their minds) have some of their customers "refusing" to date some of their other customers when their customers are their product. Bear in mind, it's a business model not just wokery. Of course, they overlook the fact that by not permitting their customers to make choices about who they date (which can mean excluding some groups), or looking down on certain choices actually drives many of their customers away.

r153 Thank you.

Itsxamazing to me how some woke gay guys support stuff that is self defeating to them and akin to conversion therapy. Much of the left of the 1980s or earlier always argued their sexual choices were their own business and their own free personal choice and not to be meddled with by outside forces such as religion, politics and oppressive societal norms being imposed.

What happened to that?? There's no real sound underpinning to their thinking these days. It's not grounded or rooted in anything coherent and it shows.

Might as well vote Right, huh, Trumper at R156?

Nope I am not right wing and its really unhelpful to refuse to criticise your own side in politics when they are going badly wrong. On this forum many of us criticise the Republicans for being partisan and refusing to criticise, condemn or reject Trump enough when he goes obviously wildly off track and promotes bad or immoral policies. So let's not be hypocrites and refuse to criticise our own side of the political divide when they are getting serious stuff wrong.

Above for r157 ^^ Who seems to think none matter how much we disagree with the consequences of wrong policies and actions by our own side in police must never criticise. Criticism and democracy being reduceded to debate and hostility between parties or sides but never within them. Ridiculous and damaging to democratic politics.

r159 In policy not police!!

Both Sides! typical European.

Fuck off, Piers Morgan.

Many of these anti-trans trolls are the same conservative trolls who have been attacking Lil Nas X. They can’t even appreciate what Lil Nas X has done for gay men.

They don’t give a fuck about openly gay men, especially if they don’t act a certain way (or if they aren’t the “right” complexion).

r161 Your post makes no sense. I AMNOT saying both sides are equally as bad as each other .I am saying both sides can legitimately be criticised by their own side or own supporters voters sympathisers etc

If you are saying it's not right to ever disagree with your own side then you actually a big part of the problem in politics.

Okay, Kirstie Alley at R163.

What utter nonsense and drivel. That goes for you too R163.

r164 I honestly think you are showing the worst of immature political partisanship at its worst.

I don't think I've ever heard of Kirsty Alley giving the Republicans the serious criticism they deserve especially when Trump went against democratic norms for 4 years cumulative in a violent coup attempt. Whereas I am advocating that she SHOULD have criticised her own side then. So your remarks don't really don't stack up to being anything of substance. Infact you have totally missed my point.

r165 Drivel to say politics and political debate should take place within parties and not just between parties? Drivel to acknowledge your own side can get serious things wrong and need a course correction? Wow that's actually anti politics because your treating politics like tribalism supporting a football or sports team . My side can do no wrong is silly.

SurvivingTroll.

R167 I apologise. I meant R164. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

No worries r169 Easily done . Thanks 🙂👍

r169 I said nothing remotely troll like. People calling out their own side so to speak in politics when their going in the wrong direction can actually be good for that party or side of politics in the long run . If the UK Labour Party had never listened to its internal critics post their 4th defeat in a row in 1992 then they may never have been elected in 1997 with a majority substantial enough to keep the conservatives out of office for 13 years. In that sense constructive internal or criticism from the same side is a useful corrective. If such a point being made doesn't feel comfortable to you it doesn't make the person making the point a troll.

R162, are you really that stupid? The trans have been attacking Lis Nas for saying he's a gay man who likes dick. In their opinion, he is a transphobic bigot for not being attracted to "gay men" with vaginas. You're on their side.

R172

Idiot. I’m talking about the conservative, racist, toxic masc prudes (who are also several of the anti-trans on this thread, no doubt) on this forum who have been attacking Lil Nas X for a while now. Calling him “gremlin”, attacking his black features (like his lips), attacking him for embracing his fem side, pearl clutching over “Satan”, calling him “demonic and evil”, etc. These trolls overlap.

Several of these anti-trans are FAKE and have attacked gay men for things like being too feminine and being black, which completely goes against their message.

[quote]Several of these anti-trans are FAKE and have attacked gay men for things like being too feminine and being black, which completely goes against their message.

It does. And I say this as 100% anti-trans.

R174.

Stop stalking ^.

R176.

People need to stop being so picky about your allies. If we could hold our nose and ally with fucking Stalin then so can you.

Whoever helps me fight this craziness is my ally - for now.

Well r173, Lil Nas is deliberately trying to get a reaction from people who have issues with homosexuality. We all know that right-wing homophobes are right-wing homophobes. But the trans are supposed to be part of the LGBT and pro-gay, right?

And don't try to dismiss those attacks from the trans as fake troll accounts. I had a good look at the accounts of the main protagonists and they are most definitely trans activists. Trans always attack gays/lesbians for saying we are attracted to our own sex, not our own "gender". That trans cult and the right-wing are united in their hatred of the gays and their disgust at same-sex relationships.

Also, the original tweet that prompted Lil Nas to say he likes dick was from some hard-leftist type who was accusing Nas of pretending to be gay to get publicity. The hard left, hard right and trans are united in their hatred and disrespect of gay people. The hard left only care about gays as a political cause, and then only as the "LGBTQ++ community". They don't like it when we start talking about enjoying sex and enjoying life.

For once I agree porn is sending a bad message to gay youth.

I hate, hate, hate the format. I can't see a way to see the posts in chronological order beyond the six in the "The Latest" section. What a mess.

Gay men have a right to not have sex with vaginas, but their repulsion of them is rooted in misogyny.

How would you go about proving that R182?

What of gay men who indicate no dislike of women, are friends with women etc but are repelled by thought of having sex with them? What would you say to them?

Jesus, R182, you win the award for stupidest person on the Internet today.

Or the trolliest, R184.

Indifference to vagina is one thing. Gay men who make latest protestations about how repulsive they find our bodies is another.

Gay men also don’t face the threat of physical danger from FTMs that we as women face from MTFs.

Fuck’s sakes, R186 - yeah, I’m repulsed by the THOUGHT of vaginal sex, not by women’s bodies. I like cocks - real cocks. It really is that simple. And by the sounds of things, so are you. And by your statement re: threat of violence from MTF, I’d bet you’re just a man-hating lez with penis envy.

Oh, and R 186 - see how easy it is to generalize?

R166, you’re using Kirstie Alley as your benchmark of appropriate political conversation? Really?

Lots of Straight women hate the look of cock and I know many women who love sex but hate giving head, I don’t think vagina is appealing to me , but I love boobs, but cock is the thing I hunger for. Thank god I am Gay .

I find this American obsession with being Republican or Democrat really weird. I have never defined myself by a Party, so it feels incredibly bizarre to associate so much of your sexuality on who you vote for. I also think in the future it will become more and more redundant. So many people are thinking issue based decisions and many times it is grey.

It's fascinating to me that most str8 men don't like going down on women and most str8 women don't like going down on men, but 99.9% of gay men positively hunger for going down on other men.

r191 This is simply not true. Straight men love going down. What the fuck do you know about hetero relationships, nothing at all. Just showing your misogyny and hate of vaginas. The DL is plagued with hate towards women. Everyone wants to be a woman or envy us, jealousy is very powerful.

R192 Girl, you have plenty of other places to hang out where you won't have to deal with all the "envy" or "the haters".

[quote] The DL is plagued with hate towards women.

Then find another forum.

[quote] Everyone wants to be a woman or envy us, jealousy is very powerful.

You're delusional. There is nothing to envy about being a woman.

I call b.s., I don't think r192 is a woman, I think they're just a troll trying to derail the conversation.

It's a tactic. They try to turn gay men against lesbians and vice versa. Used many times in threads like these.

Anonymous Twitter accounts with cartoon avatars are not real people. And one or two trans people on Twitter are not representative of the entire trans community. Jeez you gals are so easily triggered. But of course you’re willingly triggered because it allows you to piss and moan about trans people for yet another thread.

R182 is correct. If you’re a gay man and you think a vagina is repulsive but an ankle is not then you are misogynist. It’s just part of a human body, there is no logical reason to find it repulsive. And not wanting to have sex with a vagina does not mean you find it repulsive for clarification. It’s the loser gays that are like “ewww a vagina can u imaj?”. Cringe.

If a gay man is repulsed by vagina it was probably his mother's fault so women only have themselves to blame for gay men's so called mysogeny.

[quote]mysogeny.

What are you trying to spell, honey?

Isn't a trans man who wants to have sex with men basically a straight woman?

Yes, r199.

R196, the rhetoric about same-sex attraction being transphobic is not just from one or two crazies on Twitter - it's the mantra in the so-called "LGBTQ+ community".

I understand were they are coming from, but damn, you don't have to be mad at everything, the implication is that only a man with dicks are man, aka transfobic

R201 no it’s not, you’re responding to an algorithm that over-inflates a certain argument because they know you’ll keep scrolling if they keep showing it to you. When in real life someone comes up to you and tells you you’re transphobic because you are attracted to a cis man report back. I won’t hold my breath.

Also as R202 says, the argument is an extreme version of the one that says that trans men aren’t trans men. If I was a trans man and I was being berated with that all day I’d prob react in the same way too. Think about these issues empathetically and from different perspectives, your reaction isn’t considered or calm, which of course is what you’re complaining about from these Twitter avatars lol.

I'm talking about people I encounter in real life r203, not just a couple of loons on twitter. Even you share what you claim are over-inflated ideas. Trans men are not men, by the way, but that's not what I spend all my day saying. Gay men are not obliged to be attracted to transmen nor should they be. As a lesbian, I have no interest in any sexual encounter with a transwoman. To oblige gay people to be sexually/romantically interested in people of the opposite sex is homophobia, and we're sick of it.

Lil Nas is gay because he likes dick. The idea he should have sex with people with vaginas when he has no interest in vaginas is preposterous.

[quote] As a lesbian

And there we have it.

[quote] Trans men are not men, by the way

Answering your own question there.

[quote] I'm talking about people I encounter in real life

This is a lie.

What we have r205 is you basically admitting you're a homophobic misogynist. Are you suggesting that if I were to encounter you in real life you would not argue that, e.g. a gay man should be open to sex with a trans man who identifies as gay?

R206 lol no can you read?

I’m saying a gay man can be open to a trans man that identifies as gay, if they both are interested in each other of course. Why wouldn’t this occur it literally happens every day lol.

What I was mainly saying is that you’re inventing an oppression that doesn’t exist in your real life in order to satisfy your transphobia. It’s very #radfem of you.

Oppression of all LGBT+ people comes from one common group, the straights. I’m confused by, and bored by, the totally embarrassing pretense that it comes from tiny, politically inconsequential other LGBT+ minority groups. But you have fun with channeling your rage that way. Spoiler alert; it won’t help any of us.

Why would a gay man be interested in an anatomical woman, r207? Men who have sex with men may also have sex with transmen, but they are then bisexual men as they are having sex with people of both sexes.

"Oppression of all LGBT+ people comes from one common group, the straights" - as r199 pointed out, a trans man who wants to have sex with men is basically a straight woman. So, yes, in this instance I agree - a transman who insists gay men must be willing to have sex with her is a straight person trying to oppress gay men.

Sure, I'm a lesbian so I must be #radfem, which is the source of all evil for you, right? Like I said, you are a homophobic misogynist and you're probably straight too (someone who is attracted to people of the opposite sex, regardless of "gender identity").

R208 girl I’m not your soundboard to work out your issues. Get a therapist and get off Twitter. Actually just get off Twitter, you’re living in a world where you’re just being gaslit by the algorithm, trapped in a cycle of being triggered. Im not gonna argue the trans women are women / trans men are men point with you sorry, you’ll have to find someone else to bore to tears. Hope you figure it out. Bis.

But of course a gay man is only attracted to a person with penis, what is there so hard to understand. If Lil Nas was a straight guy it would be completely acceptable if he only wanted to date supermodels being a young and handsome pop star, but as a gay he is not allowed to have such a modest and basic request for his guy to have a penis.

r209 I have clicked onto the twitter accounts of numerous trans activists and many are geniune accounts tweeting about all kinds of stuff both mundane and local etc. I think you overstating the algorithm issue.

[quote]I guess that I am asking, has anyone met anyone who says this crap in real life?

Yep - I've heard it in real life and lesbians hear it every fucking day.

Congratulations 207/209. For someone who thinks 206/208 is being gaslit by the algorithm, you seem to be doing a great job of lighting up the sky with your own invention. You added paranoia and Transphobia as well. Congrats you really have done an Oscar worthy Charles Boyer on Ingrid’s 208.

Mmm let’s see “Oppression of all LGBT+ people comes from one common group, the straights. I’m confused by, and bored by, the totally embarrassing pretense that it comes from tiny, politically inconsequential other LGBT+ minority groups“

To a point a agree partially about with the first statement. In theory this is sort of true, but Gay people have always been willing collaborators in adding to Homophobia. The Closeted person can sometimes be the biggest threat to Gays as they can point fingers at others while busy trying to escape the same judgment on themselves. I also agree in Third World countries Straight Society would help oppress Gay society. But in the West, at the moment? It is people like you who keep pushing the agenda that there is nothing to see here. It is just algorithms and noise. Mmm no.

It is clearly now the Gay agenda that Trans Rights and neutral language are foisted on to the world. It is all we hear about. It is all that comes out of the Gay Community, other than all White Gays and Women are racist as well.

This is not a small minority. This Gay people fighting for their political lives. Because this is all being done in our name.

I am Gay because I love big fat cock . That is why I am Gay. I don’t care what colour it is ,I just want it. If a woman became a man and had a dick that was big and fat, it is possible I would have that.

But just calling them a man , without the dick, no thank you.

R209, I don't use twitter, although I do sometimes read the crap written on there by the very numerous trans activists. You're not going to convince us that what the twitter trannies are saying is some fringe marginal stuff when you yourself are making the same claims as them (e.g. that it's transphobic for gay men to want dick and not be open to relationships with transmen, i.e. anatomical females).

Many (not all) of the anti-trans are the same ones attacking Lil Nas X in other threads. They don’t care about this explicitly gay man. Actually, they despise who he is (a black gay man who is putting it all out there). What they care about is their conservative agenda.

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R215, do you think Lil Nas should suck pussy? According to the trans, as a gay man, he's transphobic if he doesn't.

R217

No, I don’t. But at the same time I will never trust most of the extreme anti-trans. Especially when they are the first to attack gay men like Lil Nas X.

R218, where is your evidence that what you call the "extreme anti-trans" attack gay men like Lil Nas X? The only people I've seen attack him are the trans and the hard left.

R190, You "love" women's boobs, but not the rest of their body? And claim to be a gay man?? Wtf lol that is weird. Breasts may not be sexual organs like penis and vagina but they are inherently female and that's what makes them sexually appealing to men and some women aka lesbians. So are you a fetishists or is this some bizarro attempt at a "half-way there" conversion you're performing on yourself? Lol

...Or maybe you're just one of those obnoxious bisexuals who label themselves as gay?...

[quote]I find this American obsession with being Republican or Democrat really weird. I have never defined myself by a Party, so it feels incredibly bizarre to associate so much of your sexuality on who you vote for.

One party is actively against homosexuality and the other party isn't, duh. It's not hard to grasp, maybe if you were actually gay this might be better understood.

R219

Go in any other Lil Nas X thread on this forum and you’ll find them attacking Lil Nas X. They are the main ones attacking him. They aren’t hard to find at all.

R221 and you've decided they're all "anti trans" because...?

Some trans activists honestly believe they are somehow going to get cis people to fuck them by guilting them.

I would be amazed if that has EVER happened.

They definitely don't want to fuck each other!

r223 They have no right trying to dictate to people their preferences and what criteria they use for attraction or the basis for who they choose to go into a relationship with. It's absurd and out of line to try. Such a tactic could logically evolve overtime to women owe certain types of men sex or a relationship. The left presumably wouldn't support that so why are they giving succour to this mindset?

R222

Because they’re making it obvious.

Fuck your feelings badge is ugly as shit to me and I have to validate your stupid ass to say it's just a body part. I don't wanna see if, eat shit if you don't like it. Homophobic bitch. Don't tell gay men how to feel. We know what we want and it ain't you. Why does it matter if I say ew, stop seeking validation from gay men. That would solve your problem.

R219, I don’t see any "anti-trans" on the Lil Nas threads also attacking him. Can you give a specific example of a post where an "anti-trans" attacks Lil Nas X?

Same for r226, there's nothing in that thread which shows an "anti-trans" attacking Lil Nas X. Note: not liking his music is not the same as attacking him, but you can't even connect those who don't like his music to the "anti-trans".

R228

You must be blind. I’m not going to hand hold, especially when you’re just going to deflect and lie anyway.

123: “ [R121], Luv, you're dreading it happening, right? Because you KNOW it is coming.

All LNX is about is controversy, and he's using "gay" as his opening to the world. Soon, he will have to SHOCK the world by choosing to change his sexuality to "fluid" or "pansexual" or "bisexual," because GAY isn't shocking enough.”

124: “[R121] as if you would mind Ooze/Luv. You are into the fluids, pansexuals, bisexuals, trans, non-binaries, queers, and MAPS (Minor Attracted People).”

No one is saying you have to like his music.

Also, ignoredar some of the people attacking Lil Nas X, like r6 attacking his black features who posted numerous times in that thread. He has praised DeSantis in a trans thread, he has made racist comments in numerous threads, and he has attacked numerous gay men. He has even promoted staying in the closet.

R230

I’m talking about the r 6 in the thread at r226.

Wow r229, you find one DLer who doesn't know much about Nas and extrapolate from that that all "anti-trans" all hate Nas for being a gay black man. That's hardly a general principle that all the "anti-trans" are all attacking Lil Nas X for being black and gay. The poster you quoted can at least rest assured that Nas is a proper gay, not a fluid pan and that comment cannot be described as hating Nas because he's "a black gay man who is putting it all out there".

R232

I didn’t say ALL are. I said the majority of people attacking Lil Nas X (especially when it comes to personal things) are also conveniently some of the loudest anti-trans. They also are conveniently some of the biggest racists on this forum. All you have to do is ignoredar some of the worst in that thread to see the truth.

You’re pathetic.

I’m basically saying a lot of the anti-trans are guilty of attacking gay men and saying homophobic shit. It’s the truth and I won’t let these scum railroad me.

But you haven't proven what you claimed r233. You said most of those who are "anti-trans" are also attacking Nas for being a black gay man. You've shown no such thing and you also haven't proven in any way that a lot of the "anti-trans" are guilty of attacking gay men and saying homophobic shit, at least not on DL.

There is a lot of homophobia and attacks on gay men from the trans rights activists though - the attack on Nas by crazed trans for saying he's a gay man because he lies dick, which is the subject of this thread, being a case in point.

R235

Yes I have and you are doing exactly what I knew you’d do, fucking troll. I’m not doing the homework for you.

I’m talking about the (also anti-trans) trolls who have been attacking Lil Nas X for months over his black features, “Satan”, embracing his feminine side, etc.

Anyone who has been in several Lil Nas X threads know the truth. Don’t be willingly obtuse.

I've been in several Lil Nas X threads r236 and have not see the "anti-trans" post the things you allege. I'll remember you as anti-same sex attraction, though.

I would back up the assertion that the anti trans trolls have a lot in common with the racists who also have a lot in common with the misogynists who also have a lot in common with the homophobes who also have a lot in common with the right wing trolls. It’s like Russian dolls lol. I’ve blocked a lot of anti trans trolls, and all of a sudden I have all these big gaps in the BLM threads, and any thread in which “femme gays” are being discussed etc. it’s a self evident correlation.

R238 agrees with the transloons who attacked Lil Nas X for saying he likes dick.

R239 no actually I didn’t. I didn’t say anything about it either way. And I don’t think it was transphobic of him to say that, I didn’t think it was an exclusive phrasing by him. It’s difficult to bother to have a discussion with people like you because you just lie all the time like you did just now. Le sigh.

R239 But even if it was exclusive phrasing why would it be transphobic? If he did say he liked dick only he would be speaking about himself and his sexual preferences, why would it hurt transmen, women, plants and others that dont have that organ. Anyone who is not included in his preferences can find someone that will like him or her. As I mentioned above straight male celebrities are dating supermodels, but I dont hear plain girls and middle aged women protesting that they are doing it against them. I am very supportive of trans people but not of those that are looneys.

Trans No Lil Nas X Yes.

I love trans people and I'm aware one twitter person does not represent the whole collective. Also, the hate displayed by certain collectives makes my conviction to stand by them more solid. Thank you boris.

I will never ever be attracted to a vagina. No amount of faux shaming by the trans brigade will change that. I like dick.

That said, I love O'Keefe paintings.

R243 continuing to be delusional about what the concept of "gender identity" actually means and incredibly naive in thinking that it's just one person on Twitter.

R226 uh that thread opened insulting everyone on the DL and accusing them of supporting white supremacists, among other things. I doubt you're going to get positive responses after that nonsense, so perhaps that isn't the best example.

R243 ah, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. If only it were just one person.

What I get from this thread is there are anti-trans trolls who are also homophobes and there are pro-trans trolls who are also homophobes...

Basically both should be avoided.

Trans ideology is the new homophobia.

r244 Very true. It does seem in some people's eyes we are allowed to have preferences for what pizza topping we like , whether we prefer or like apple , Apricot, blueberry or rhubarb pie, whether we prefer gin,vodka or bacardi but not whether we like vagina or penis. Illogical and bizarre.

What is Boris? Is it something against us Slavic people. Should I be offended?

R251 it's a lazy way to dismiss any argument you don't like or are afraid of engaging with by accusing the poster of being a Russian disinformation operative. It's tiresome and the people who use it are usually the types who put their fingers in their ears and "lalalalala! I can't hear you!" while posting low-denominator memes.

R252 Thank you for the explanation.

r252 Agreed and calling anyone transphobic if they have concern about gender ID and some transactivists demands like removing the word mother from vocab because it might upset a small number of transmen is also extremly lazy and is an attempt to win an argument by force rather than debating and properly defending your opinions.

R252 and R253 It’s also a way of erasing the opinion. An attempt at creating the illusion that it doesn’t exist organically among the population but rather is only inspired by “fake” online profiles in order to cause problems among the population.

R199 and R204 That's in fact, quite literally, a conversion therapy. It has been said many times but it's never enough. The concept must be spread and told, because we gay people are full of it. Thank you!

R245 Oh, look, another example of gay erasure. What a shock.

Just ignore these types. Don’t even acknowledge their existence.

Me like penis.