Do you correct your elders when they call Asian people “Orientals?”

Why would I? Why would anyone? Do people no longer have the right to express themselves as they want?

Rosie O'Donnell has issued a statement...

I correct “youngins” when they call me a queer.

They don't belong here anyway.

No harm, no foul.

Those people really don't fit in.

Out of hate—(and calling gays queers is always from a place of hate).

Ching Chong.

Bing Bong.

No, I'm fine with it. There's nothing wrong with ti.

*it

No, because they're retards. .

I correct *everyone* stating "the word you're looking for is Asian. Oriental refers to a rug."

What about Occidentals?

[quote] I can’t bring myself to correct them.

Tell them, "I'm sorry, but there's Sum Ting Wong with your choice of words."

[quote] I correct *everyone* stating "the word you're looking for is Asian. Oriental refers to a rug."

Nobody fucking cares.

You're the only one.

I know Asians who refer to themselves as oriental. Should I correct them?

Op, I'd like to order a bowl of Cream of Sum Yung Gai.

Thanks, doll!

They are Orientals which is from the Latin "oriens", meaning "east". Asians are Indians, Bangalis and Pakistanis, they are completely different and can't be lumped in with Far Eastern people.

Oh, the Asian-hating POC DLer is here. Boo.

I don't "correct" my elders. I respect them and I don't bother them.

Because I'm Asian.

Pic your battles OP.

Even orientals sing the Ching Chong Song.

Oriental love to please white master!

FF this racist asshole OP and his"supportive" sock replies. ENOUGH!

MURIEL: BAN THIS RACIST ASSHOLE!

Why can't I see their eyes at R21?

This is what happens when you leave the Datalounge page up on the assisted living break room computer.

Asian-hating POC DLer is triggered. Wah.

None of you old fucks even know any non-whites

[quote]Asians are Indians, Bangalis and Pakistanis, they are completely different and can't be lumped in with Far Eastern people.

Wait, so places like Korea, Japan, China and Vietnam are no longer Asian?

r24 wins, close thread.

OP.

What do you say about this oriental korean guy who refers to another oriental guy?

Is he racist, too?

Rofl.

Asian is kind of a weird thing for everyone to settle on. First, as pointed out, it's kind of vague really. It's a big continent, well beyond East Asia. But second, the whole idea of all these terms is to make people realize that even people that aren't white are real Americans. "Asians" seems to defeat that purpose, basically saying they are really from another continent. I get that it is the term now, and Oriental does sound old and fusty and colonial, but it seems like an odd choice that it is the acceptable word.

Why not just refer to them by their country of origin?

I call them People of Color.

Eh they will be dead soon anyway.

R32 everyone is a person of color, beige, orange and white are colors.

White is a color?

"[R32] everyone is a person of color, beige, orange and white are colors."

In the US," person of color" has been used exclusively to mean black.

You could not be more wrong, if your ass was coming out of your face.

Which, I'm guessing, it probably is.

[quote]In the US," person of color" has been used exclusively to mean black.

No. Not even. Not ever. You have not been paying attention.

orientals are people of color.

They're yellow.

There are two things I absolutely HATE: 1. Using racist terms to describe people of Asian descent. 2. Spics.

If black is a color , white can be as well. I personally have never seen a black person, usually they are different shades of brown..

Meh, R40.

Gooks and Spics are pretty much the same.

The correct terms are: Mongoloid, Caucasoid, and Negroid

[quote] The correct terms are: Mongoloid

Those people all look "tetched" by Mongoloidism to me.

I can't tell them apart.

I got issues with the word "Asian" but I'm gonna guess Mongoloid is not the solution we are all gonna land on.

“Honey, are you Ornamental?” Little old southern lady says to southern born and bred Chinese-American woman whose accent is same as hers. Anecdote at around the 6:35 mark of the video about Mississippi Delta Chinese Americans. Their southern drawls are so heavy and who wouldn’t like Chinese American food southern style?

Definitely better than Gooks I would think.

[quote]orientals are people of color.

[quote]They're yellow.

Tweety Bird yellow?

💛

No. Im not participating in NewSpeak.

[quote] I correct *everyone* stating "the word you're looking for is Asian. Oriental refers to a rug."

Does correcting people make you feel superior? Why is Oriental worse than Asian? And why is Oriental rug OK?

"No. Not even. Not ever. You have not been paying attention."

You must not live in the US. " People of Color" has come to be a euphemism for black.

POC.

However, it has its limits — and that’s why we need to stop saying “people of color” when we mostly (and sometimes only) mean “Black people.” The public use of the term person of color (POC) seems to have become less about solidarity and instead about lessening negative connotations and implicit anti-Black reactions like fear, scorn, disdain, and apathy. In popular discourse, “POC” is often a shorthand for “This issue affects Black people most directly and disproportionately, but other non-White people are affected, too. So we need to include them for the majority to listen and understand we aren’t talking about a solely Black vs. White issue.” Saying “POC” when we mean “Black people” concedes that there’s a need to describe a marginalized group as “less” Black for people to have empathy for an issue.

I prefer oriental for East and southeast Asians. The Caucasoid Indians and Arabs and Jews can have Asian.

[quote]Im not participating in NewSpeak.

Hmm, didn't realize "no fats, no femmes, no Asians" was whatever the fuck "NewSpeak" is.

My grandma called them "Happy Jappies."

How about we just ignore them completely, and not be bothered with them?

That way, it won't ever be an issue.

Far Easterners tan up nicely when they let themselves soak up some sun. It’s when they avoid sun that they take on a sallow look.

R21-The Asian guy is CUTE.

"Far Easterners tan up nicely when they let themselves soak up some sun. It’s when they avoid sun that they take on a sallow look."

A tanned complexion is an indication that you were lower born and worked in the fields. The lighter the complexion meant that you were of a higher class, since you didn't have to go out. This is similar to many cultures.

[quote] A tanned complexion is an indication that you were lower born and worked in the fields. The lighter the complexion meant that you were of a higher class, since you didn't have to go out. This is similar to many cultures.

Plus, it's really fucking DUMB.

It’s exhausting having to teach young people that yes, the word oriental does properly refer to anyone or anything from Asia, especially East Asia.

Sucky sucky fucky fucky long time

My Midwestern family calls them "Chinamen" but they're also racist af so no big surprise.

Yes. A friend of mine lived in Japan and after hearing her correct her mom, I corrected my dad when I heard him say it. It seems like a Boomer thing…I’m a millennial and we never learned Oriental is an acceptable term when referring to Asians.

At the same time, I don’t see how Oriental is considered derogatory.

That Asian people/Oriental rug thing was from the first or second season of Real World. The poster upthread is trying to act like he invented it or something.

My (Indian) seven year-old was trying to be up to date when referring to black people the other day and he paused as he tried to remember what exactly they were called that day. I could see the gears turning in his mind as he tried to summon the words.

"Bla...people of....well...I guess colored people."

Of course I told him that he could say people of color but not colored people. He said both people of color and colored people sounded pretty much exactly the same to him and thought he better just stick to saying black people to be on the safe side.

I remember one time out of nowhere, making some observation to an ex that I was lucky I never had to explain to my parents not use outdated words like that. Then out of nowhere in my late 20s my dad used that word for the first time, I was horrified. LOL I was like where the hell did he pick up that word.

[quote] Then it came out that he only had one science class in college

I'm sure they are saddened that you have not bestowed your bountiful wisdom upon them.

I did with my mom. My nephew's wife is chinese and my mom kept saying that orientla girl .... Finally I said - MOM. You can say asian, chinese or how about just that lovely girl. Oriental is a rug not a person.

R64 is correct. There's nothing derogatory about Oriental, it's just a more old fashioned term. That whole "it's only for a rug" meme is bullshit. That's just an excuse used because so many Asians and others continue using the word Oriental in business names.

The phrases you currently use for people of different races will sound quaint and racist when you're old.

Language changes, context matters, and words won't always be heard the same way they are meant. Human language is a living thing, and so this is natural and unavoidable.

Old people are not incapable of understanding this. So long as they don't have severe dementia, then they will be able to cope and also able, with effort, to change, so don't be afraid to tell them.

They might well be horrified to learn that they were offending people without meaning to.

[quote]That Asian people/Oriental rug thing was from the first or second season of Real World.

I remember my 6th grade teacher correcting a classmate with the "Asian people/Oriental rug thing," and this was back in 1980. It was surprising to me because as an Asian-American kid, who had to endure "me Chinese, me play joke" and "Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees" taunts throughout the '70s (even though I'm neither Chinese nor Japanese) this was news to me. I was happy with this change because "Oriental" was used to distinguish or even demean me as foreign, exotic, different, and as a kid I just wanted to be treated as part of the gang. "Asian" was fine with me because, like "American," "European," "African," it just described continent of origin.

I wonder if the people insisting that the old people are incapable of stopping saying 'Oriental' would correct your elders if they said 'light in the loafers', 'fairy' or 'pansy'. What if they said that to you and your husband? Would you keep grinning and taking it all the way through dinner? Hey, they're old and they mean no harm!

I remember my brother said “there’s a lot of Orientals here” when dropping me off at college. In 1991.

I corrected him then and will correct now. And it’s not a new thing if I knew this 30 years ago.

[quote] I was happy with this change because "Oriental" was used to distinguish or even demean me as foreign, exotic, different, and as a kid I just wanted to be treated as part of the gang. "Asian" was fine with me because, like "American," "European," "African," it just described continent of origin.

That makes no sense, R72. "Oriental" also just describes the continent of origin. It's no different than "Asian" in that regard, and, in fact, it's more precise, as R30 explained.

If anyone was using Oriental to distinguish or demean you, changing the name to Asian is not going to change that.

R73 - I own “light in your loafers.” “pansy,” and “fairie.” Those words can’t hurt…..it’s who we (most of us) are.

If we just call everyone “cunts” like civilized people, we wouldn’t have these problems.

Really, you'd sit opposite an old guy calling you fairy all through dinner and not say anything? Would you use those words yourself to a person younger than you?

R75, "Oriental" in itself is harmless and meaningless. It comes from Latin and from the standpoint of Rome, the Orient, meaning east is correct. But if I'm standing in Tokyo, east is the Pacific Ocean and beyond, so, directional terms lack precision. But that's beside the point. "Oriental," in the US, is a loaded word, which has been used in negative ways to demean or devalue people. "Asian" or "East Asian" or "Southeast Asian," however, are neutral geopolitical terms.

Asian when referring to a place, oriental when referring to a race.

Congratulations, OP! Your shit-stirring trolling has certainly been successful.