Do women think about sex as much as men?

We're done this thread before, OP. Like 5,000 TIMES!

-1000/100

5,001

My pussy would snap you in two, OP, just on principle.

If I had one and my understanding of female anatomy is correct.

No. It's physically painful for me so...yeah. This thread is basically a 'nam flashback.

I think once women have children, they think about the kids more than sex. It’s probably an evolutionary thing- must protect progeny.

NO! But who cares who thinks about it more as long as she is giving it up when the man wants it.

And this quack on YouTube is crazy. It makes more sense to just suck him off instead of encouraging him to be a fat ass! Then you really won't want him.

Women have it easy. You get to have a man working for you, giving you money, handling the manual labor at home and all you have to do is touch him regularly? You don't even have to be into it. He just wants to get off. Most guys are 2 pump chumps anyway. Why is this such a problem for bitches?

No, just jewelry, romantic inns, and cute tops.

They think about pumpkin spice more.

R7 are you living in the 1950s?

Most women work. Hence the huge issue of childcare.

OP Why don't you ask this question on LSA? Why here? What do gays thoughts about this matter, much less be informed in any way.

R10 Since when is fucking your husband some kind of archaic activity limited to the 1950s? This has obviously gone on for generations - the world is well populated.

What's working got to do with sucking dick? Gay men work and suck dick every day. And if your kids are in your bed every night then maybe CPS needs to visit you.

Stop being ridiculous.

R7 = resident incel or just woman hater. I thought you were banned.

Ask Caitlyn.

All the time...more even.

[quote]Women have it easy. You get to have a man working for you, giving you money, handling the manual labor at home and all you have to do is touch him regularly? You don't even have to be into it. He just wants to get off. Most guys are 2 pump chumps anyway. Why is this such a problem for bitches?

Exactly. Straight women are so lazy. And then they can’t understand why their husbands end up cheating.

R16, R7, R12 (same bitter person), why does this strike such a nerve?

No, most women absolutely do not have the same sex drive as men.. It doesn't mean they don't enjoy it but they have other things going on like children, work, etc. I do think that gay men for the most part become sex addicts so their entire lives revolve around sex. Straight men think about sex probably as much as gay men but they don't act on those feelings on a constant basis. Women have to raise children, work, take care of a home, take care of their family so sex is at the bottom of the list. Also women see sex as a partnership with another and do not have sex just to make themselves feel good.

R13 are you the thought police? You belong in Nazi Germany.

[quote] Women have it easy.

Perhaps, but men still rule.

R19, you still haven't answered why this thread upsets you so.

Men are just sex pigs...heterosexual,homosexual,bisexual...it doesn't matter....,,if a man doesn't like to fuck...somethings wrong

What about that female guard upstate New York who ran off with those two murderers she broke out of prison? You don't see any male prison guards going that far.

[quote] OP Why don't you ask this question on LSA? Why here? What do gays thoughts about this matter, much less be informed in any way.

r11 I had thought there might be some gay women here who could answer that question, because I know gay men have absolutely no idea of how real women work, except their fashion sense ~ in a weird way..

If you clueless gay boys must show your ignorance and answer this question, perhaps you could talk to your biological fag hag and get your lies straight! Even a tired trannie might have a clue about this one.

R21 What's wrong with you? I'm not angry.

^ Fag hags are never truthful

[quote] What about that female guard upstate New York who ran off with those two murderers she broke out of prison? You don't see any male prison guards going that far.

Men are obsessed with just having sex and the feeling of orgasming. Once they cum. They move on with their merry day. That's why some depraved men will rape and then dump their victims in a dumpster. There's little attachment to having sex for men. That's why smart women don't give it up to guys they are interested in right away.

Women are obsessed with being loved and getting attention. They commit crimes of passion and run off with criminals or underage boys. It's more emotional rather than physical. Not to say women don't enjoy casual sex but it's not to the same extent as men.

Right R26. Fag Hags are not even honest about the fact that they are in love with their gay "friend."

They're sick!

It's takes 3x longer for a woman to cum than men. A guy can cum in less than 2 minutes. Guys can train themselves to last longer but many straight guys are lazy. Girls on the other hand can take up to 20 minutes to orgasm. I imagine it's very hard for women to find men who are patient enough to please them. Why bother hunting for dick that can't get you to cum when you can just pull out a dildo?

r27 rape has absolutely nothing to do with sex. It has to do with control and power. If someone cut their dick off they would find a tool to use because the fulfillment is not in the act of sex but in their mind.

R30 I agree it's about power and humiliation. But rape is a sexual crime and it is sexually motivated. Many rapists do target people they find attractive and also vulnerable.

r29 It is not hard at all to find men that please women. Most men Want to please women because it makes their sex better. They don't Need to finish in 2 minutes. The longer the sex the more enjoyable it is.

[quote]Girls on the other hand can take up to 20 minutes to orgasm...Why bother hunting for dick that can't get you to cum when you can just pull out a dildo?

R29, are you serious? Women cum from clitoral stimulations, a dildo isn't necessary. If men knew this, they wouldn't take 20 minutes.

[quote] What's working got to do with sucking dick?

Women will come up with any excuse why they don't want to have sex.

"I have to take care of the kids!! I don't have time for anything else!"

Bitch, your kids are in college!

It depends on the woman, honestly. For some women, it can be extremely difficult and eventually you just despise the act altogether, give up, and retreat to a 2 bedroom and your cats.

[quote]Women will come up with any excuse why they don't want to have sex. [/quote]

Or...how about, it feels like my internal organs are being ripped apart and I'm about to vomit from the pain? I'd say that's a pretty damn good "excuse."

R36 go hole up with some cats then

Damn R36 it sounds like maybe you should not have gotten married. Sex is a natural act and a normal part of marriage. Have you always been so repulsed by sex or is it just your husband that makes you feel that way?

Sex can be a form of power. So yes rape is sexually motivated. Sadists get sexually aroused by humiliating their victims sexually. Molesters groom their victims with the motivation of sexual gratification. Also date rape is about sexual gratification. To say it's independent of any sexual desire is dishonest. Power and sexuality are heavily intertwined and you see that in the animal kingdom.

R38 I'm not married. I'm single. And will remain as such because penetration is very physically painful for me and has been since the first time, ergo my chosen name for this topic (dyspareunia). Nothing seems to fix the problem, so I quit. I was just answering OP's question from my perspective as a female.

And I'm aware it's natural, that's why I'm staying single. It's unreasonable to expect a man to put up with a woman who is literally physically incapable of having sex without pain. Unless he's a sadist who gets off on that sort of thing, in which case...no thanks.

I'm a man so I can't really answer the question with any great certainty, but I do believe that a woman's relationship to sex is completely different than that of a man so they may think about it, but not in the same way that a man thinks about it.

Sex is a woman’s means of going after the things she really wants. As someone here once observed, men do stuff to get sex while women do sex to get stuff.

Is anyone here aware of the fact that there are many types of "sex"? If intercourse is painful, do something else. He should be aware that there are other ways - preferable ways - to please you. And visa-versa.

R34/R40/R41

Um ok... but you quoted the person who said women make excuses to avoid sex. That didn't really match. It doesn't negate his statement. I think you know what he wasn't talking about women with legitimate conditions.

The women's "headache" (for example) is well ingrained in culture.

Women making excuses to avoid sex is a thing. It is very common.

*THAT he wasn't talking about women with legitimate conditions. ^^^^

R45, have you ever considered that women are not interested in sex because their husbands are so bad at it?

R47 I agree with you. A lot of men are awful at sex (as are a lot of women). I feel sorry for anyone in a marriage where they are not being sexually fulfilled.

But what does that have to do with the OP's question?

So many of you steer so far away from the OP to discuss other topics. This question is not about women having conditions that make sex painful.

It is not about men being bad in bed. That is a separate issue. Maybe you should start a thread about men being bad in bed.

[quote] [R38] I'm not married. I'm single. And will remain as such because penetration is very physically painful for me and has been since the first time, ergo my chosen name for this topic (dyspareunia). Nothing seems to fix the problem, so I quit.

R40 Oh honey! Are you still able to use your pinkie to ring your tinkerbell? Women are like gongs and need to be struck, occasionally.

Everyone once in awhile you see something on here asking guys what would they do if they could be a woman for a day or something and almost always it's about going down to the docks and sitting on every cock that breezes by. But, if you're born a woman and were raised as a woman, I don't think you think like that. It's not how you're wired. There are women who like sex and who are slutty but there are usually other things at play than just a love of sex in those cases, at least from what I've seen. Outside of a loving, committed relationship, I think in many cases a woman has to feel something or there has to be a means to an end for a woman to have sex.

I love sex, I'm a slutty bottom. My hole is basically a turnstile. I'm sitting here typing on DL and two smoking hot college guys are moving in the house across from mine and all I can think about is having them both rail me in the alley until I my hole is lopsided. I just don't think it's like that for women.

[Everyone once in awhile you see something on here asking guys what would they do if they could be a woman for a day or something and almost always it's about going down to the docks and sitting on every cock that breezes by.]

r50 You have just expressed every sexual fantasy I have ever had since age 12.

[Quote]Everyone once in awhile you see something on here asking guys what would they do if they could be a woman for a day or something and almost always it's about going down to the docks and sitting on every cock that breezes by.

R50 Just presented the reason why we will NEVER know the answer to that question.

A man is fully empowered to express his sexual desires whether real or fantasy.

If a woman expresses a desire for sex with anyone other than a man she is in a long term relationship (preferably her husband) then she'll be slut-shamed.

And a woman is never allowed to give details about sex. If she says much more than wanting sex, there is a high probability she will either STILL be slut-shamed by women and men will see her as a horny slut "available" for him to pursue.

The average woman is not gonna discuss sex because she has been socialized to keep her mouth shut. Many won't even discuss it with their husbands.

So we cannot expect to get an accurate answer to this question.

[quote] Just presented the reason why we will NEVER know the answer to that question. A man is fully empowered to express his sexual desires whether real or fantasy.

You're ridiculous.. There's lots of erotica geared towards women. Look at how popular 50 shades of gray was.

[quote] If a woman expresses a desire for sex with anyone other than a man she is in a long term relationship (preferably her husband) then she'll be slut-shamed.

r52 Tell us more about those experiences...

R48, the DL is a discussion/gossip forum and we veer off topic frequently. There's no use in being the police, it won't work.

R53 that is Fiction. Real women are not gonna speak that way. Stop being ridiculous.

R55 The examples I cited here though are of people veering very FAR off topic. It's ridiculous. Just start a new thread if there is something you want to explore. That is why everyone has that option when they sign on.

I think women speak more frankly and open about sex with other women. Maybe a woman can chime in to confirm or deny that.

[quote] The average woman is not gonna discuss sex because she has been socialized to keep her mouth shut.

And her legs.

[quote] [R53] that is Fiction.

No, really?!? And you mean those real estate agents in porn films are not really real estate agents? The point is, those books are an expression of that fantasy.

R60 No, unless it is based on factual information, a book is just an author telling a story.

R57 = still trying

[quote] No, unless it is based on factual information

There's plenty of those too.

As a woman, straight or lesbian, you do not have the desire to have sex every day. You do not wake up with a hard dick and have the desire for a relieve. That does not mean you are not hot sometimes. Women are getting wet and horny, probably the same way men do.

Now it is getting more personal: But, it is a absolutely No Go if a guy I want to sleep with takes my hand to feel his hard dick. Honey, I ve got eyes! And I will touch it, when I am ready.

As a couple of times mentioned above, most straight guys are terrible in bed. Really bad. It is not only about that women need love and the emotional feelings, but most men have no clue or interest what women really want.

Just a small hint: It is very painful going in and out with your dicks in our vagina, when we are not wet. And we can have very satisfying orgasmen when our clit is stimulated. And the tongue is very underestimated as the main joy giver.

And like gays, we do not like swallow.

I think they do but it's heavily moderated by fear.

[quote]You do not wake up with a hard dick and have the desire for a relieve

Can't you do that yourself?

R23 Wasn't that a Law & Order SVU episode?

I like quilting.

I had a friend in university who would have sex with guys before, during, or after our study groups because it helped her relax and focus. We were good friends, and I was the last one to find out what it meant when she disappeared with one of the guys for 15 minutes to "get snacks".

[quote] And we can have very satisfying orgasmen when our clit is stimulated. And the tongue is very underestimated as the main joy giver.

r64 In the few years that I questioned if I could possibly be bisexual, I found out that the many times I could not get it up if I fiddled with a ladies pearl, she would be more than satisfied. If not, I'm afraid I had to put on the scuba mask.

As a biological woman, before I had first lost my virginity, I used to orgasm like 15 times a day. NO JOKE.

And the only reason it stopped there was because I had exams to study, meaning the number could arise if I spared more time.

But most importantly, female orgasm, including that 15 times of mine, does not require penetration, dildos, not even fingers curling inside, whatsoever. Like other posters stated, only clitoral stimulations matter.

OP, What do you mean by "having sex?" You mean sexual intercourse, or just sexual activities like blow jobs, fingering, etc?

When women make themselves come, do they have a mess to clean up, like men do?

R73 Their panties are normally damp after climaxing, but nothing like cum gutters like men's

This is beginning to sound like 'Women's Orgasms 101'. Most gaylings never read this book. Are there Cliff Notes?

I really don't feel sorry for women who have to suffer through bad sex with guys who don't know what they're doing. If a guy doesn't know how to fuck, then show him what you like. If someone is doing stuff to you that hurts or is not going to get you off, speak up.

r73 I have always wondered that question and never had the balls to ask.

I'm confused with the term "fag hag". So basically if females become BFF with gays, they are automatically considered fag hag? Are there any other apparent categorization?

^^^ Usually, a career fag hag is single, fat, wears glasses, not stylish, little makeup, have no other friends, love everything about their fag and only live to promote said fag's career. Can you live up to the challenge? Are you worthy?

Lmao I saw DLers called Gigi Hadid a fag hag once

r77. To answer your question and you are in good company. Yes, some women do kind of ejaculate. But it is still some kind of. There is no sperm to transport and the reason for it is even nowadays very bad explored and was a long time tabu. Google is your friend in this case.

You are welcome for asking!

R38 is a moron for his ignorance. Asexuality exists, you jerk.

And I’d like to add that “squirting” is not a normal sexual act for women. It takes both an intense sexual sessions one and vulva stimulation to acquire. Some people feel squirting is something women are expected to perform, it is not.

Pornclip can be a fucking fraud.

^^^ session** I’ll Oh dear myself

R64 So, is there any pleasure whatsoever from a vaginal sex?

r85. From my experience a definitive NO. Only. when combined with the clit stimulation.

There is a reason a guy from lower Bavaria is so successful since four years with his "womanizer". It is the must have sex toy for any woman. It has the size and the shape of a computer mouse and is only stimulating the clit with vibration and sucking.

In other words, It is heaven on earth.

It just seems to me that if I had a pussy, rather than a rectum, I would love to be impaled and spin on the biggest dick I could find.

We love sex us much as men and think about it all the time.

r87. Well, honey, but we do not have a Prostata to stimulate. So everything is fine with you.

No but they think about their looks more than men. Even if they say they don’t.

R72, READ R71

R76, it doesn't matter what you say to them, they instantly forget and go about matters according to their routine.

[quote]“squirting” is not a normal sexual act for women. It takes both an intense sexual sessions one and vulva stimulation to acquire.

R83, squirting is bullshit - one of those porn invented things. And VULVA SITIMULATION? You sound like one of those dopey guys who doesn't know or instantly forgets female body parts and what they do.

Btw, women get wet during arousal, not after climaxing. Contrary to popular opinion, fucking too long will hurt because the lubrication produced during arousal dries up.

R85, I'd say yes...sometimes. Very warm and mild if the guy's not an animal. Orgasm? HA HA HA, never.

Wow, this has seriously been an eye opener for me. I didn’t realize how shitty straight men are at having sex. How disappointing.

Where did this canard originate that rape is not about sex? It is the rape itself - the power & control - that makes them cum. That is as sexual as you can get.

I also do not believe that "asexuality" is anything but a disorder. If you are never interested in or have sexual desire then you need to seek either psychological or medical help.

Humans naturally have sexual urges.

I ascribe this nonsense to those who never had satisfying sex - or never had sex at all. Otherwise it is not normal for humans no matter how many stripes on the flag you get.

R94 Cease being so backward. Asexuality is neither a mental disorder or sexual dysfunction. One could even view it as sexual orientation.

R95, that is utter bullshit. See a doctor. Of your choice.

When the Ashley Madison data leaked it was revealed that, like, 99.9% of the sites users were men. Most of the "women" were bots

R97, that doesn't tell you who thinks about sex more, it just tells you who chooses what methods of executing it.

[quote]I think you know what he wasn't talking about women with legitimate conditions.

R38 I told my first boyfriend that it hurt too much (I was a virgin before him) and that I wanted to stop for a while to work on our emotional connection (I thought that maybe that's why it was hurting so badly). He broke up with me. To him, me not wanting to have sex anymore because it hurt was "an excuse" and I should've "respected" that sex was very important to him and been "mature enough" to understand that we weren't sexually compatible.

So, no. There are some men who don't think pain is a legitimate issue to want to hold off on sex for. I was more or less being tongue-in-cheek with my response since that was the bullshit I experienced and have been too traumatized by that to put myself out there again.

On the flip side, though, I can understand a man not having the patience to deal with not "getting any" until his defective girlfriend can get her shit together and fuck him. I'm just being pragmatic.

R49 When I said "I quit" I meant dating men. I'm remaining single because of that problem. I'm aware of how to take care of my "tinkerbell." I just don't have the urge to do so. Probably because I've psychologically associated anything sexual with pain. It sucks. Sounds like fun from what I hear from others, but everything isn't for everyone. So, it's whatever.

R52 we're slut-shamed because we have babies. And there's nothing worse than bringing a kid into the world with questionable paternity. A child will always know who its mother is. Father...not so much. So, our sexual behavior is more harshly scrutinized because of that. And, honestly, it doesn't bother me. I've seen enough Paternity Court to where frankly, I'm on board with calling a slut a slut if she needs to be. You have people in their 30s and 40s who still don't know who their father is because mama was a hoe. That's not fair.

Like it or not, men and women are not the same. A woman who doesn't know the father of her kid because she's been around the block like that, needs to be called out just as much as a man who abandons his children and doesn't provide for them. Sorry. Rant. Been binging too much Paternity Court on YouTube lately. :-/

Like this type of shit makes no damn sense, lol.

r50 your post made me laugh. I've thought about what I'd do if I could switch bodies with Scarlett Johansson for day. Basically I'd walk up to hot guys and ask to fuck them.

[quote] [R83], squirting is bullshit - one of those porn invented things. And VULVA SITIMULATION? You sound like one of those dopey guys who doesn't know or instantly forgets female body parts and what they do. Btw, women get wet during arousal, not after climaxing. Contrary to popular opinion, fucking too long will hurt because the lubrication produced during arousal dries up. [R85], I'd say yes...sometimes. Very warm and mild if the guy's not an animal. Orgasm? HA HA HA, never.

r92 Wait, what? Speaking as an Eldergay who got all of their sexual learning from National Geographic, Church Bible Sex Camp, and a leather bar in Greenwich Village in the 70's, I never knew that women didn't like to get banged ~ hard! The fact that having a huge, throbbing piston of twinky male flesh sliding through my body, while powerful thighs slap my bottom making them red doesn't interest some people just boggles my mind. And, the thought that they can have a fulfilling life of divine bliss and pleasure, simply by eliminating insertion and then knowing that perpetually twiddling their cherry with their pinky is enough to reach nirvana ~ well, it is inspiring to say the least.

I'm a fag who married my hag. We both knew before we were married that physical sex would be limited on my part, if at all. We have been married for 34 years. She had always told me I could 'wander' if I wanted to, but to be safe and never tell her about it. While I have had a few 'blow-job massages' over the years, I remained celibate until ten years ago. Only a one night stand, but it was the perfect fantasy night I needed to continue. But, I digress.

Anyway, after all these years, my wife has taught me how to hand massage her and satisfy her needs in a loving way for both of us. People will find a way to love if they are patient, caring and thoughtful.

Men and women typically have two different ideas about sex. Usually it's the woman who ends up sacrificing what she wants sexually to keep the man happy. I wonder how many women just let a man pound away so he can get off her quickly and then wait until later to get herself off.

As a gay man and speaking only for myself, I am completely turned off by a guy who wants to have romantic sex. I once got up, walked out and told a guy that I don't have sex with women, when he pulled that shit on me. Candles and caressing and all that. Ugh. No way.

Yes, but only with our prefect selves.

[quote] I never knew that women didn't like to get banged ~ hard!

Probably some do, but being banged by a big one feels like you're being punched in the stomach - repeatedly. Men like the idea, which is why it's in porn. All the moaning and groaning is acting.

[quote] I never knew that women didn't like to get banged ~ hard! r108 Probably some do, but being banged by a big one feels like you're being punched in the stomach - repeatedly. Men like the idea, which is why it's in porn. All the moaning and groaning is acting.

Good heavens! That would mean 95% of the porn industry is based on the sexual perversions and fantasies of old, rich, straight, white men. Nobody likes it except the old farts watching it.

—Anonymous

Could you imagine how chaotic and feral society would be if women’s attitudes toward sex were like r50’s? It’d be the Wrigleyville Cumdump on a mass scale.

R109 What's wrong with men having fantasies? And you clearly have not seen how aggressive black and latino guys can get in porn.

[quote] Good heavens! That would mean 95% of the porn industry is based on the sexual perversions and fantasies of old, rich, straight, white men. Nobody likes it except the old farts watching it.

r109 If we're talking about gay porn, who doesn't like a good old pump-n-dump late Saturday night?

Nothing wrong, R111. But if men are doing it (and not doing anything else) like they see it done in porn, it's no wonder women are not interested in sex as much as men - OP's question.

OP and anyone else genuinely interested and not just trolling—listen in to women talking amongst themselves, or lurk a female-exclusive comment board. It will become clear.

This podcast will explain some things.

R103 sorry to piss on your bodyswap fantasy, but that’s an impossible scenario. If you had ScarJo’s body, you’d also have her hormones and her equipment and her sexual mores & conditioning, meaning you wouldn’t want to walk up to any guy and ask them to fuck you anymore.

R94 well, how do you explain me? I’m a healthy 29-year old woman who has never had sexual contact of any kind, not even a kiss. I’m not religious, not mentally-ill, not an addict, not disabled, not a crazy stalker in love with a prisoner or a relative or a guy from my past, and not a fat unfuckable whore per the DL tradition. I’m passably pretty and smart/well-read and travelled, from a middle-class background (ok, lower middle-class, but still), and I’ve had offers since I was 15 or 16.

Frankly, I just can’t be bothered to seek a sexual or romantic relationship, because in my view it inevitably would spell drama and a toxic level of politicking and emotional narcissism in today’s world. The world of sex & love has always been brutal, but in our time it’s become sadistic. I don’t want to play a game with the pornsick minds of men, or the embittered minds of lesbians either. Everyone has been fucked up in their quest to fuck. As a normal well person, I’m consciously opting out and finding other things to do.

And I feel the same way about friendship, too. People of now are all so selfish and grasping and rapacious, using others and casting them away with the slightest change in the wind. Subculture is gone, collectivism is gone, and everyone is competing for empty plastic prizes of a commodified existence. Loyalty is hard to find—I believe soldiers and sportsmen are the only ones who still get to enjoy it.

But I don’t believe this attitude I’ve adopted makes me more moral or evolved than others. It’s not a superiority complex. I’m just a risk-averse loner who likes and prefers a quiet life, which last I checked was not indicative of mental illness.

I read a long time ago this example how women can feel about being banged. "Just make a fist and hit yourself on the inside of your forearm multiple times on the same spot. It will hurt after a couple of repeats. This is what women feek when the penis hits the cervix".

This describes it precisely.

R116 Is it possible that you're displaying anti-social behaviour? I believe asexuality only suggests how a person shows no interest in engaging in sexual activities. The signs do not include the repulse against platonic and romantic relationships.

I once heard the cervix looks like a pink bagel. Could someone please confirm?

i personally don't give two fucks about women and their sexual appetites. most other gays and dom str8 guys dont either.

Well, r120, I don't give a shit about str8 guys, dom or otherwise. Not sure why you guys are so obsessed with them. They want to vomit thinking gays exist.

[quote] The world of sex & love has always been brutal

No, it's not. It's just a normal part of maturing.

I'm so sorry you are growing up in a world that seems askew when it comes to normal human interaction. It's almost like exposing kids to germs as opposed to fearing anything but a sterile environment. Humans need to see, hear, smell, feel, taste other people. You discover your natural preferences and reject your dislikes. As in real life and not in techie world. Sex involves all the senses but it also involves the environment that allows it to naturally reveal itself.

We have allowed our youth - and, yea, I still include a 29 year old in that (we really have drawn out adolescence haven't we?) - to often miss out on the real interaction that allows them to experience the full interplay of human relationships - both good and bad. There is no other way to mature. They are too protected, too isolated, too easily distracted. We did that to them with our technology, our irrational and rational fears, our unrealistic expectations and our own narcissism which wouldn't let them grow up apart from our beings. We have failed to help them become independent and resilient people who accept the real world and learn to navigate it in a healthy and productive way.

Amen. Off my soapbox.

So true, R121, so true. They just don't get it, do they?

I don't like this "amen" religious shit infecting everything I read, R122. People even interpret Margo Channing's like "Ah, men," at the party in All About Eve as "amen." Sickening.

R124, okay you're just weird. I eagerly await your next irrational screed.

R118/R122 you seem very certain that something is disordered or wrong with me, and that you are qualified to diagnose it, without even knowing me.

It’s your right to think what you like, follow whatever psychiatric or religious dogma you wish, and make judgements; it’s my right to decide to dismiss those judgements, on the basis that to me you sound like a weird generalising quack adamant that everyone should conform in order to be fulfilled and ‘normal’ humans.

I don’t think I’m crazy, let’s leave it at that.

Okay, R126 ad nauseum, now you're even weirder.

R127 but why? All you’ve actually said is that because most humans prioritise fucking or socialising, that makes any anomalywho doesn’t a total freak who needs therapy & medication. I don’t think that explains terribly much about the nature of human bonding, myself.

Great artists & thinkers across time have more deeply addressed the question of social needs, and whether we ascribe too much importance or weight to them in the grand scheme. My favourite Shakespeare play TIMON OF ATHENS is one such; in the play, the tragic hero Timon concludes that social love is but a survivalist tool.

No one said anything about prioritizing it. What was said is it is a normal part of human interaction and life.

You're trying too hard. This may explain some things.

[quote] You're trying too hard. This may explain some things.

R129 perhaps to you. To me and anyone else reading, this is merely an oblique and smugly vaporous thought-ender—as the kids of today might put it, ‘fake deep’.

You still haven’t elucidated your position. We’re none the wiser as to why you think as you do and why conventional human socialisation cannot be subject to change.

Testosterone definitely seems to be key. Years ago I read an article by a woman who tried Andractim gel (DHT) for low libido, and she said it made her horny in a male way—constantly thinking about sex, masturbating furiously, watching porn for hours at a time, etc. She stopped after she started experiencing both hair loss and facial-hair growth.

R119. That is a cervix that has not had a baby push out of it.

Is anyone else really squicked out by heterosexuals fucking? I think I must be heterophobic, because I find it so disgusting.

R116 Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

R121 You're saying gay men are obsessed with straight men?