Gallup: U.S. Black-White relations at a "new low"

Sigh.

It's really interesting to see it was 70% positive only 8 years ago. Have things got so much worse for people in only 8 years?

You lost me at “equity”, OP. Equality under the law is a moral imperative - “equity” of outcome is a Marxist lie.

Racism is the cancer that will kill Murica.

Agreed, r3, but I was just pasting quotes from what Gallup wrote.

Racism is a Marxist unicorn - the fact that standards of racism aren’t equally applied proves that another agenda is at work.

[R3] Thanks for clarifying. Racial harmony would kill many agendas - none of them good for our great country.

what-fucking-evs

just treat people like you want to be treated

Cha-ching!

Who knew using terms like white privilege, forcing "equality" everywhere and rioting under the banner of BLM would cause the worsening of relations.

Please stop with the 2 groups bullshit too. European Americans make up 60 or 62 percent of the population with blacks at just 13% while Asians and Hispanics are collectively now a greater “minority” (by choice) than blacks. Asians and Hispanics overwhelmingly prefer whites to blacks - which explains the hysteria and panic in the black community for “reparations” and other evil schemes. Once white liberals stop indulging blacks in their paranoid fantasies there will be a reset.

BLM and CRT have revealed just how serious the racism problem is this country is. And it’s mostly one-sided and pathetic. If America was so bad to black people wouldn’t there be a counter-diaspora to Africa?

Good question, r12. It seems the obvious move, but is never mentioned.

Perhaps it would be better for everyone if the low IQ blacks who have corrupted our institutions could operate in Africa as high IQ people among their own.

It's time for Muriel to clean house again

Where’s Mamie Eisenhower when you need her?

Once the IQ differential goes mainstream then the BLM narrative collapses as it should. Resentment mixed with dependency is not going to win over the long term.

The BLM narrative should collapse, because it's built on so many falsehoods, but it hasn't and it won't, because it is very useful to the people in power.

Maybe if the media spent less time focusing on systemic racism, people would get a break from thinking about it 24/7. The overkill doesn’t actually improve race relations in any meaningful way. Plus Hispanics and Asian must be getting pissed about being ignored.

While there are still racist individuals and racist social constructs in the US, I still think the recent decline of race relations has more to do with the increasing gap between the classes. Last summer it was obvious that people were pissed about more than just race relations, which were actually improving years before. People are tired of being left behind and ignored. Its the same thing with women, they are now putting their foot down about men taking advantage of them, even if it happened decades ago.

But most people cannot see beyond the BLM organization to realize it is just a component of a larger movement. The elite will use it to divide and conquer. We already have people in this thread criticizing BLM when they themselves are LGBT and part of a marginalized group of people. This is how just how the elite want it. Yes r19 why not throw Hispanics and Asians in the mix? More minorities fighting against each other, meanwhile the wealthy can execute their plans of total takeover.

[quote] The overkill doesn’t actually improve race relations in any meaningful way.

It's not meant to improve race relations, r19. It's meant to destroy them completely, for all the benefits that brings for the powerful. Distraction from their own activities via constant infighting, a permanent "out" for any politician or billionaire who gets in trouble (just take the knee and all is forgivenl!)

Not to mention that there is an expanding class of people who benefits and profits from it, from the Ibram X. Kendi $25,000 per hour speaking fee types at the top, to the people who now can kill, maim, steal, you name it, and often be let off far more easily by the justice system, and rarely covered by the media, because they can claim racism unless they are treated with kid gloves.

The attack on STEM education is also horrifying to immigrants who wish that their very bright children might get a good enough public education to prepare them for STEM jobs, which many of them excel at.

BLM wants to destroy the very foundation of mathematics - they literally argue that 1+1=2 is a white supremacist social construction.

I draw the line at such mindlessness.

"Racism is a Marxist unicorn - the fact that standards of racism aren’t equally applied proves that another agenda is at work."

Pretending racism doesn't exist (while being racist) is Republicanism at work. Remember that guy waving the Confederate flag at the Capitol? Republicans love the Confederacy

" to the people who now can kill, maim, steal, you name it, and often be let off far more easily"

You mean white people? Because studies show black people are punished more harshly when they commit the same crime as a white person

"The BLM narrative should collapse, because it's built on so many falsehoods, but it hasn't and it won't, because it is very useful to the people in power."

The Republican narrative should collapse, because it's built on so many falsehoods

I’ve seen this movie before and fewer prosecution for low levels offense will lead to more serious crime. Crimes in the cities will push out the middle class and lead to lots of future financial issues. Trying to level the playing field in education will fail just as it’s failed for the past 50 years. However, it will also push the middle class out of the cities. The only answer is to focus on economic inequality and move away from the racial equity stuff.

"I’ve seen this movie before and fewer prosecution for low levels offense will lead to more serious crime."

Actually, that's been proven wrong. And it leads to prison overcrowding which leads to serious criminals being let out of jail to make room for people guilty of minor offenses

"The only answer is to focus on economic inequality and move away from the racial equity stuff."

As if economic equality isn't tied to racial equity. And you conservatives are the ones making it harder for poor people of all races but giving tax cuts to billionaires and big business while being opposed to raising the minimum wage

The BLM movement is turning people off and hurting race relations more than anything else. Besides, the USA really needs to start paying attention to ALL minorities instead of going completely overboard on one of them. It's a very toxic and unhealthy situation.

Oprah says she as a black billionaire is less privileged than the poorest white people in America.

Economic inequality means giving people a living wage. If you’re going to focus on racial equity, for example United planning to hire blacks and women in large numbers for future pilot jobs, you will fail. Ditto for increasing black representation in STEM to equal white/Asian representation. Good luck!

Isn’t the media telling us constantly that race relations are the worse they’ve been in years? So why is it a surprise that most people believe that if it’s all they’re told in media.

The argument for reparations and racial equity is so stupid only an Academic would buy into it.

Can someone explain exactly what is meant by the word "equity"?

It seem to be suddenly being used in place of the word "equality", as it has here by Gallup.

What's the difference between the two? Why is "equality" no longer a good word/thing?

Basically “equality” is treating everyone the same.

“Equity” means everyone gets equal Outcomes. And since Blacks are so far behind on various levels (education, income etc) you have to give them MORE to get them outcomes that are “equatable”.

It’s then used to say things like “let’s let blacks into special schools even if their grades and test scores are lower” so their “outcome” ie acceptance rate is the same as whites.

Basically it’s a way to justify giving them special treatment.

There are tons of problems in the black community that only blacks themselves can fix. They have to stop blaming everybody else for their own internal problems that infest their culture.

Thanks, r33

R3 lives for these threads. Luckily, he's blocked for me.

OP, why would your race-baiting self be surprised that people with more melanin in their skin are somewhat sick of your historical privilege?

R33 is R3 and couldn't find equity in the dictionary. Nice job cutting and pasting 4chan talking points, though.

I’m R33 and I’m. It R3. And prove what I wrote is incorrect moron.

^^^. I’m NOT R3

The good news is that there are so many commercials featuring interracial couples now. So much progress.

Don’t worry, guys! My new book - available at Amazon and everywhere - will soon solve any race problem, just as my last book, bestseller White Fragility, did! Did I mention I have a new book out?

Robin DiAngelo has to make money to pay for the crazy property taxes and upkeep in the exclusive, overwhelmingly white Seattle neighborhood where she resides.

In 2001, I never thought about race. Now it's all I think about. I don't feel safe around people of color. I wouldn't want to work with or engage socially with POC who I didn't thoroughly know. It's too dangerous. Everything is so one sided that blacks can do whatever they want and get away with it. Even questioning blatant lies can lead to cancellation. That is a privilege white people have never had.

I hope we do come together. It doesn't feel good in the US right now.

R2 you can't be serious! I'm Australian and even I can see how deeply race relations have deteriorated in the US especially in the last couple of years during the Dump Presidency.

WTF R43? WTF? WTF?

It would be nice if blacks revolted and killed all whites.

[quote] It would be nice if blacks revolted and killed all whites.

Then the whites would have to innocently defend themselves against the black attacks. Blacks have shit on the police, military, hell, even whites who actually try to help are painted as "white saviors". I know which team my money is on. All you need is a foot locker. a best buy, and a protest as a lure and the rest should be pretty easy.

Cardi B recently said that white twinks are to blame for pitting POC music artists against each other on Twitter.

So, race relations are, in fact, at an all time low. Obviously.

However, Cardi, however wise she may be, is wrong. Since most of us here were once white twinks, we can talk on this very important subject with quick precision: Us fags don't pit POC music artists against each other. We just pit everyone against Madonna.

Yeah well, meanwhile "low income", blacks and their supporters (largely white socialist limousine liberal democrats) combined votes put Eric Adams over as next mayor of NYC. Pretty much same for Buffalo and Rochester. Oh and NYC will be getting first black Manhattan attorney general in history.

Relations may not be what many would want between whites and blacks, but clearly the latter is gaining turf. Well at least in cities like Chicago, NYC, Boston, SF, LA, and other areas including (surprisingly) places like Minnesota.

Here in NYC blacks make up > 20% of total population (maybe low as 13%), but again that hasn't stopped them from gaining power. At state level the only white person in charge is King Cuomo, and he likely will be gone after 2022 elections are over. Leaders of state assembly, senate and attorney general are all POC. Oh and they've managed to get out of King Cuomo all sorts of things ranging from bail reform to legalization of pot. The latter included a wholesale catering to "communities of "color" with many things such as big blanket amnesty for pot convictions.

I don't understand why Asians and Hispnics don't demand more. There are more Hispanics than African Americans in the US, yet you wouldn't know by looking at tv. Tv shows are overflowing with black characters, yet very few hispanic characters. How is this fair? Same with holding office. Black people like to play the victim and say they don't get the same opportunities as whites, yet as R48 states there are many blacks in power in the US. I bet you will not find the same number for Hispanics, even though they make up a larger number.

Actually, there are more white people who despise racists and structural violence policies.

We are UNITED.

Black Lives Matter!

R49

We've been through this many, many times.

*Hispanics* as a demographic group means nothing, same as "gays".

Each of above two groups contain a vast demographic made up of persons from a bewildering array of social, economic and racial backgrounds. Many "white" Hispanics such as those of Cuban, Argentine, Brazilian, and other groups consider themselves just that, *white*. They have nothing in common with Mexicans, blacks, and other (what they consider) minorties. More so the higher up socio-economic ladder they sit. Even poverty genteel Cubans believe they have it over poorer and darker skinned people.

Starting from there "Hispanics" are quite well represented in media, government, and elsewhere.

Looking at these images of Latino/Hispanic actors majority can and have passed for simply "white/European".

If Desi Arnaz had been a black Cuban he never would have gotten near Lucille Ball much less became the famous actor/producer and other force in Hollywood. As it was Ms. Ball had to work rather hard to put her husband over with those who didn't appreciate their "mixed marriage" on television or elsewhere.

Blacks demand to be at the center of Latino representation as well.

Don't worry about a thing. The earth is rapidly heating and there's no way we pasty whites are going to survive. Nature will correct racial, colonial inequality. The universe always finds a balance.

It's intersting, has the Census from last year reported any #s yet? Has the 13% black # gone up or down? If it still holds, we should only see about 1 black person per 10 if we were truly being representative in movies and tv shows.

Keep pushing CRT. See what happens. Is November 2022 that far away?

“But they’re not even teaching using CRT.”

Sure.

[quote] An immigrant who came to the United States from the Soviet Union, she is a registered Democrat from San Mateo County, Calif. And she’s alarmed over her state’s new model ethnic studies curriculum, which cites critical race theory as a “key theoretical framework and pedagogy.”

[quote] I don't understand why Asians and Hispnics don't demand more.

They’re busy working and taking care of their families.

raci$t le$bian troll alert!!

r20 for the win. There can be no peace between peoples when we are all fighting over the tiny scraps leftover from the 1%. Improvements in race relations will follow improvements in economic equality and access.

Trump did a number on this country.

Russian trolls are hard at work here and everywhere…busy little bees, making honey, day and night. Keep trying to destabilize…

Very interesting article, R55. This issue is not going away for the Democratic Party or parents, some of whom have very different views. This reminds me of a NYT article that I just read, I'll see if I can share it on the Dl today.

R2...That was my initial thought. I'd say absolutely not. The reason this downturn is spin. People have been convinced that things are worse. I'm sure that most of participants in this poll who responded negatively to the questions posed have no idea how they been unwittingly conditioned by race profiteers & community members who need to convince others to think like they do to justify their own enabling points of view.

R63 I thought voting for Obama would improve race relations. When Trayvon Martin was shot, Obama made the comment that Trayvon could've been his own son. He also made other racially charged comments about the shootings of Michael Brown and Philando Castille that pissed off a lot of Latinos I knew at the time in East LA. Some of them at the time said that Obama had made race relations worse with his comments, and asked why Obama had never gone out of his way to make political personal comments about Latinos who have been shot by police too. I went back to my old neighborhood and found out that some of my old neighbors voted for Trump. I think the Democrats really need to be worried about the Latino vote.

Why can't we elect technocrats? Why are we obsessed with charisma and topics only peripherally related to the economy?

Video games are not real life, R65

In one of the few empirical studies of technocracy, political scientist Robert Putnam defines technocrats as persons “who exercise power by virtue of their technical knowledge” and describes the “technocratic mentality” in terms of five key characteristics:

- Confidence that social problems can be solved by scientific or technological means.

- Skepticism or hostility toward politicians and political institutions.

- Little sympathy for the openness and equality of democracy.

- A preference for pragmatic over ideological or moral assessments of policy alternatives.

- Strong commitment to technological progress in the form of material productivity, without concern for questions of distributive or social justice.

Putnam’s 1977 study further distinguishes between two types of technocrats: those with engineering technical knowledge versus those with economic technical knowledge—noting that the two groups diverge with regard to characteristics three, four, and five. Economic technocrats were more likely than engineering technocrats to grant importance to politics and equality and to be more interested in issues of social justice.

Last year was a disaster for race relations. White people (most of whom are not prejudiced) were villainized in a ridiculous way. Condescended to. Blamed for things done generations ago by people who weren’t even their ancestors. BLM was not a corrective; it was a bizarre overcorrective based on a bs narrative (all cops bad; all blacks innocent victims).

I thought Biden was supposed to bring everyone together?

Only reason this whole BLM movement has gained any sort of major traction is because white socialist liberal democrats have joined in the fray.

Yes, back in the 1950's, 1960's and even before or since until modern times you had whites from various levels of society involving themselves with issues affecting African Americans. People like Eleanor Roosevelt going around telling coloreds about what raw deal they are getting.

Ironically if white limousine liberals of Manhattan had their way the Garcia woman would be on her way to becoming next mayor of NYC. Unfortunately for them low income and persons of color in four outer boroughs thought differently, so there you are....

r70, The NY media got Adams punk ass elected. Dumbass centrists of all colors and striped had his back. Don’t blame him on minorities.

It's as if everyone has tacitly - and tragically, perhaps - acknowledged that MLK's "stay in school, study hard and join society as an equal" message has be jettisoned in favor of a much more combative "fist in their faces/through any means necessary" Malcolm X message that sanctions violence. Equal opportunity is passe and now equal outcome (the foolishly termed "equity") is being demanded with no regard to how it will impact society at large. But "equity" isn't feasible or moral or sane, has no historical precedent and requires the destruction of institutions critical to the functioning of society and/or civilization itself. To make thing worse, the most respected and influential black figures - like Obama and Oprah - have joined the bandwagon so that there are few moderate voices to help dial things back. A corner has been turned - but to what?

R64

After Clinton lost Wisconsin, the NY Times sent a reporter to black Milwaukee neughborhoods. Many responded that after right years having had a black President made absolutely no difference in their lives.

[quote] It's really interesting to see it was 70% positive only 8 years ago. Have things got so much worse for people in only 8 years?

Gee who would have thought that re-racializing the country would have a bad effect on race relations?

I live in a majority black city and the majority of blacks here do not support this re-racialization or even CRT. It is all rather insulting to the majority of blacks. And they are getting fed up with being treated like imbecilic victims.

While I had issues at first with Obama due to his serious lack of experience I came to like him as a person. Michelle I never warmed to. I knew she was superficial and more interested in fashion and Hollywood and living the good life.

Both of them made racially divisive remarks from time to time and all I could do was SMH and wonder how clueless they could be.

I always remember Michelle's turning a short person's request to get something off a top shelf for her in the grocery store into a racist insult and it just blew my mind. it told me how she thought and it wasn't pretty. It also told me she needed therapy. I am forever asking tall people to get things off shelves for me - luckily I shook off her ridiculous rather twisted statement and continued to get top shelf item into my cart. Phew.

Friends of friends dealt with the Obamas as professional clients; word was he was chill, and she was anything [italic]but[/italic] laid back, demanding shall we say.

Democrats are doing the Pee Wee "I can't [italic]hear[/italic] you!" denial thing taking nonwhite voters for granted.

[quote] word was he was chill, and she was anything but laid back, demanding shall we say.

I heard the same.

Blacks are still only 13% of the US population. FYI. Yet they get 100% of the media and “left” attention

R76/R77, my intel comes from before his election and from people who worked with her in Chicago and it wasn't positive.

R64, just stop it. You didn't vote for Obama. Don't lie. You couldn't vote for Obama because you're a fucking Russian BOT. Have a seat, trash.

Things are worse for two reasons: Smart phones recording racist, abusive, murderous cops and Trump.

Period.

Blacks are just pissed that having waited hundred or so years for one of their own to be POTUS gays got more out of Obama than POC.

R81 seems confused about who the President is in 2021.

Biden's America. Way to fuck things up.

I have Black-White relations quite often, youz guyz know!

Sorry R84. The kids conceived on Biden's first day in office have yet to be born.

It's still Trump's America & yes even Obama's America.

R82 What list of things did we get out of Obama?

He came into office being anti-marriage equality for 2009, 2010, 2011 & part of 2012.

He couldn't even give us an openly LGBT cabinet member in his 8 (count 'em 8 years) in office (blacks got 8 of them in 8 years so boo hoo there).

He signed no protection bill for open trans in the military so they were vulnerable to Trump's bigotry.

No openly LGBT SC nominees. Closeted Kagan can't vote on many issues to due her prior job so that was a dumb move on his part.

As long as we continue through the years, decades and centuries to color-identify us human beings as if we are living crayons, I'm afraid and saddened that our relations bar will only continue to sag to ever newer lows, OP.

Yawn. I couldn't care less.

Every time I read this kind of thread filled with all the hypocrisy of the American Libs, I tell myself that saddly, the USA will never succeed in solving racial issues. The issue of racism, many blacks have turned it into a systematic victim card now. And these days, for not REAL reason while there are real issues to be resolved in the first place within their own community. Example: Black on Black crimes is 10 times higher than white police crimes on blacks. But now when a criminal black man who is beaten or brutally arrested after being violent or fleeing he becomes a martyr or a saint. And the useful white idiots foolishly relay this victimistic and unhealthy propaganda.

The real victims of racism that no one talks about, and especially not the white people who do not want to look their history in the mirror are the Natives Americans decimated on their own Lands. Do black people care about them? Never. Are blacks more to complain about? No. All this is shamefully unfair, hypocritical and hideous.

But what has become really distressing and terrible is the way in which Americans are internationalizing THEIR domestic issues around the world, via Internet, without even worrying that they are once again destabilising other countries. On this website we can largely see, every fucking day and on every fucking posts the ridiculous automatisms taken by white so called "cool and inclusive" who treat all those who do not agree with them as racist, nazis, fascist, as if they were 10 years old kids or that they were all mentally retarded. The level is very very low. This leads me to believe that America does not really want to solve this racism problem within its country. There is such an obsession with race, on any damn subject, that it feels like reading people who are interned in psychiatry. All this is primarily a behavioral problem. If you all stop looking at others through the prism of the race to which they belongs and listened to them instead without wanting at all costs to put them in a box, you would begin to heal and grow.

But with the low mentally on here, I guess saying all that makes me look like someone who is a crazy Trumpdard or a conservative or a Nazis or a racist or a fascist. Keep thinking you all are smarter when the whole world can perfectly see you all are stupid asf. It's like you all never learn.

Get a blog r90.

R90,

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

[bold]Everyone[/bold] on this website is now dumber for having listened to it.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Okay, but first, get a brain R91

Yeah, mentally retarded. As I said.

R92 At no point in your childish and pathetic post you were able to give any argument. You are only proving me right and I thank you for that. When you are not able to argue, as adults do, just try to keep your dignity and shut your mouth.

I’ve had sufficient of racism discussions. Let’s move on to something else… climate change, space exploration, latest fashions. Anything but non binary gender issues and I’m good

You sound evil R95.

I say we should focus on black dick. Is it bigger than most ?Are they better lovers ? Etc .

I thought when Dump first became president he said he was going to bring everyone together?🤨😂

Maybe not just black-white relations?

R99 But Black people never do anything wrong!😏

R87

Obama gave gays marriage equality, which for the 1%/power gay set he runs around with was more than sufficient.

Obama's administration got the ball rolling on trans issues (using lavatories, passports issued in whatever gender, etc...).

Obama is the DEVIL!!!!!!!