I said I have no idea. He replied "You are disgrace to queers everywhere!"
My partner of 25 years asked me if I knew who Sally Bowles is.
|by Post Gay||reply 84||July 24, 2021 4:07 PM|
Is he hot
|by Post Gay||reply 1||July 21, 2021 12:38 PM|
Both things can be true.
|by Post Gay||reply 2||July 21, 2021 12:39 PM|
It's not your fault that you were not well educated, OP.
After 25 years, your partner should have known that.
|by Post Gay||reply 3||July 21, 2021 12:42 PM|
You are! Hand back your gay card.
|by Post Gay||reply 4||July 21, 2021 12:45 PM|
Next you'll be telling us you have no ideas about who should play Phyllis in the movie of Follies, OP.
Dear God, you might as well join a fraternity.
|by Post Gay||reply 5||July 21, 2021 12:51 PM|
Maybe this time...
|by Post Gay||reply 6||July 21, 2021 12:59 PM|
So who is Sally Bowles? Who is Phyllis? What are Follies? A movie about what?
|by Post Gay||reply 7||July 21, 2021 1:33 PM|
Forgive him. Gays only need to know about Follies and Sondheim.
|by Post Gay||reply 8||July 21, 2021 1:38 PM|
|by Post Gay||reply 9||July 21, 2021 1:41 PM|
Perhaps tomorrow will not belong to you in regards to your relationship continuing.
|by Post Gay||reply 10||July 21, 2021 1:53 PM|
|by Post Gay||reply 11||July 21, 2021 1:55 PM|
Even if you care nothing for Fosse, Liza and Halston(!), surely Isherwood’s “The Berlin Stories” should be on the mandatory syllabus for every young gayling?
|by Post Gay||reply 12||July 21, 2021 9:57 PM|
Geez OP, you are a disgrace to humanity!
|by Post Gay||reply 13||July 21, 2021 10:20 PM|
[quote]He replied "You are disgrace to queers everywhere!"
In fairness, I think he's talking about how rotten you are at sucking cock.
|by Post Gay||reply 14||July 21, 2021 11:01 PM|
If I were him, you would not make it to 26 years. The HORROR!
|by Post Gay||reply 15||July 21, 2021 11:05 PM|
Obviously, life isn't a cabaret for OP.
|by Post Gay||reply 16||July 21, 2021 11:35 PM|
Who ish Shally Bowlesh?
|by Post Gay||reply 17||July 22, 2021 12:06 AM|
Lady Peaceful..Lady Happy....
|by Post Gay||reply 18||July 22, 2021 12:36 AM|
I agree it’s disgraceful someone your age doesn’t know about salad bowls!
|by Post Gay||reply 19||July 22, 2021 12:48 AM|
[quote] "Is he hot"
If he was already eighteen years old twenty-five years ago, my guess is no.
|by Post Gay||reply 20||July 22, 2021 12:58 AM|
Liza Minnelli as Sally Bowles.
|by Post Gay||reply 21||July 22, 2021 1:01 AM|
He's really referring to "Sally Bowls," a movie in which the late, great burlesque queen, Sally Rand, demonstrates her extraordinary takent to fan dance and pick up a spare at the same time. Bravo!
|by Post Gay||reply 22||July 22, 2021 1:12 AM|
Seriously OP I am disgusted for you. Disgusted I say.
You DO know who played Sally in the movie?!?!
|by Post Gay||reply 23||July 22, 2021 1:58 AM|
I’m not old enough to have seen Jill Haworth, but if you’re not familiar with Natasha Richardson’s ASTONISHING performance, even if only vis a vis the cast recording, then you truly are a sorry excuse for a gay man.
I particularly loved the way she performed the dialogue leading up to “Perfectly Marvelous,” starting with, “I think people are people, I really do, Cliff. Don’t you? I don’t think people should have to explain anything…” Every syllable was inspired.
Not knowing Henry, Sweet Henry or I Had a Ball would be bad enough, but this is a simply going too far.
|by Post Gay||reply 24||July 22, 2021 2:18 AM|
I'm embarrassed for you, R23. You obviously have no inkling that Julie Harris played Sally Bowles twice before Liza Minnelli got a turn. On Broadway in 1951. And on film in 1955.
|by Post Gay||reply 25||July 22, 2021 2:23 AM|
The other remarkable thing is he is obviously ignorant of “I Am A Camera” as well.
|by Post Gay||reply 26||July 22, 2021 2:59 AM|
it's gonna happen. Happen sometime. Maybe this time I'll win...
|by Post Gay||reply 27||July 22, 2021 3:01 AM|
R25 I’m sorry but…there is only LIZA.
|by Post Gay||reply 28||July 22, 2021 4:40 AM|
For poor OP.
|by Post Gay||reply 29||July 22, 2021 4:43 AM|
Are you still together?
The youngest you can be is 43. I'm only a few years older.
I was in theatre, so, of course, I knew. But, in the 1990s and early 2000s, cabaret had a big resurgence on stage and big-named celebrities had a revolving door hopping into the role.
I mean, you have to have had actively avoided pop culture or not been into movies to not know. Are you not American? Honestly, what Gen-X-er gay doesn't know Cabaret?
|by Post Gay||reply 30||July 22, 2021 4:45 AM|
OP, was this the sample of your creative writing you sent in to one of those correspondence courses in the 1970s? Because if not, your partner is dumber than an autistic box of rocks that just downed a fifth of voddie to wash down a handful of Mandrax. for sticking with you for 25 years. If ever DL had a Prayer Circle, this would be the perfect opportunity to create one.
|by Post Gay||reply 31||July 22, 2021 4:57 AM|
R26 and I no Leica you, OP.
Oh dear, I suppose OP doesn't know what a Leica is either.
|by Post Gay||reply 32||July 22, 2021 11:55 AM|
Sally Bowles , Sally Fields what’s the difference?
|by Post Gay||reply 33||July 22, 2021 12:00 PM|
Sally wasn't so great. If she were, her name would be the title of the movie like Sophie, Norma, Erin, etc.
|by Post Gay||reply 34||July 22, 2021 12:11 PM|
R34 Sally made choices! Sally spoke (or sang) of a living wage in her own manner! Sally would have went out and had that water brought in special for you folks, as long as it was German spring water!
|by Post Gay||reply 35||July 22, 2021 12:19 PM|
Were there vicious face slaps? If not, call me the next time
|by Post Gay||reply 36||July 22, 2021 12:27 PM|
|by Post Gay||reply 37||July 22, 2021 12:28 PM|
For the record, I am older than most on DL.
When I came out, I went to a gay bar in Studio City. I got rejected because of my age.
Since then, I want little to do with the gay culture.
|by Post Gay||reply 38||July 22, 2021 12:29 PM|
[quote]Sally would have went out
|by Post Gay||reply 39||July 22, 2021 12:30 PM|
You’re gay, not an encyclopedia. If that name hasn’t come up in 25 years, there is a reason for it. That reason is likely because they are irrelevant to your interests. Apparently your partner hasn’t bought it up sooner either.
|by Post Gay||reply 40||July 22, 2021 12:30 PM|
R39 Erin wasn’t very articulate or good at grammar either!
|by Post Gay||reply 41||July 22, 2021 12:32 PM|
Don't worry about it, OP.
Thanks to social media, 500 channels from which to choose (if you still have Cable), any streaming platform, Sirius radio, we no longer have common reference points when it comes to popular or middle brow culture.
While Christopher Isherwood's "Berlin Stories" are good, I'm not sure they fall into the category classic literature.
I had no idea who Lil'Nas (spelling?) was or that gay guy who wears dresses to Awards events.
I did know who Carl Nassib was when he came out. I follow the NFL, and I noticed his tight butt when he was a rookie...then again I know a great many athletes by name -- gay or straight -- because they have tight butts!
|by Post Gay||reply 42||July 22, 2021 12:33 PM|
I'm sorry to say this, OP, but....you and your partner DO know each other? Are acquainted?
|by Post Gay||reply 43||July 22, 2021 12:35 PM|
[quote] ...because they have tight butts
When I realized that I was gay at 50+ .. I suddenly remembered being infatuated with my friend Eddie's ass from the showers in 9th grade PE class. It was perfect..
Football uniforms are so distracting.
|by Post Gay||reply 44||July 22, 2021 12:53 PM|
“Eddie my love, I love your ass so, so, so!”
|by Post Gay||reply 45||July 22, 2021 12:56 PM|
Maybe OP isn't Amercian. Most countries have their own gay icons. I'm sure many DLers never heard of people like Leslie Cheung, Jolin Tsai, Raffaella Carrà or Googoosh.
|by Post Gay||reply 46||July 22, 2021 1:12 PM|
... and yet you are willing to come to this public forum and crow about your ignorance?
|by Post Gay||reply 47||July 22, 2021 1:21 PM|
The 'real' Sally Bowles
|by Post Gay||reply 48||July 22, 2021 1:22 PM|
The Wikipedia article has a picture of the actual woman Sally was based on. It also quotes Isherwood's introduction to her in the novel, which is very DL:
[quote]"A few minutes later, Sally herself arrived. 'Am I terribly late, Fritz darling?'.... Sally laughed. She was dressed in black silk, with a small cape over her shoulders and a little cap like a page-boy's stuck jauntily on one side of her head.... I noticed that her finger-nails were painted emerald green, a colour unfortunately chosen, for it called attention to her hands, which were much stained by cigarette smoking and as dirty as a little girl's. She was dark.... Her face was long and thin, powdered dead white. She had very large brown eyes which should have been darker, to match her hair and the pencil she used for her eyebrows."
In other words, at first sight her gay-bestie-to-be is already wanting to give her a makeover.
|by Post Gay||reply 49||July 22, 2021 2:06 PM|
[quote] Maybe OP isn't Amercian....
Sorry!. Part of my family rode over on the Mayflower, landing on 12/8/1620.
|by Post Gay||reply 50||July 22, 2021 2:22 PM|
Watch Cabaret op it’s an amazing movie
|by Post Gay||reply 51||July 22, 2021 2:27 PM|
[quote] He replied "You are disgrace to queers everywhere!"
Is English his second language?
|by Post Gay||reply 52||July 22, 2021 2:33 PM|
He should move out.
If he needs a place I have a girlfriend known as Elsie. They could share four sordid rooms in Chelsea
|by Post Gay||reply 53||July 22, 2021 2:39 PM|
R50 Were they rowing behind the Mayflower OP? Kind of like the short bus? November 11, 1620 After more than two months (66 days) at sea, the Pilgrims finally arrived at Cape Cod on November 11, 1620.
|by Post Gay||reply 54||July 22, 2021 3:42 PM|
Even the name "Follies" sounds ridiculous.
|by Post Gay||reply 55||July 22, 2021 3:46 PM|
come on you didn't watch Schitts Creek where Moira put on CAB R REY? and Stevie played Sally?
|by Post Gay||reply 56||July 22, 2021 3:46 PM|
[quote] ..Were they rowing behind the Mayflower OP?...November 11, 1620...
Guess we were both wrong, R54
|by Post Gay||reply 57||July 22, 2021 3:51 PM|
Years ago at a party, my then partner (who was nine years my junior) said he'd never heard of Liza Minnelli until he met me. Someone yelled "Kill him now!"
|by Post Gay||reply 58||July 22, 2021 4:31 PM|
R30 I’m gay gen-x and while I know that Cabaret is a thing, I’ve never watched it, don’t know anything about it, not esp interested, etc. It falls into the category of “things I can’t muster the energy to be interested in” with other stuff like sportsball. So I think it’s possible to be of an age but not know anything about the details of Cabaret. I clicked on this post too see why I’m a failed fairy, lol,
|by Post Gay||reply 59||July 22, 2021 4:33 PM|
[quote] My partner of 25 years asked me if I knew who Sally Bowles is. I said I have no idea. He replied "You are disgrace to queers everywhere!"
This is why you get that [italic]ring on your finger.[/italic].
If you were in a position to say, “Talk to a lawyer about it,” you’d have something. But as it is you’ll just be cast into the street.
|by Post Gay||reply 60||July 22, 2021 4:36 PM|
I dated a guy a few years ago who'd never heard of Cabaret. I showed him the movie. He loved it. End of story.
Sometimes, people just need to be exposed to these things.
|by Post Gay||reply 61||July 22, 2021 5:19 PM|
Had Sally made her way back to Chelsea by this point?
|by Post Gay||reply 62||July 22, 2021 5:57 PM|
[quote]r25 You obviously have no inkling that Julie Harris played Sally Bowles twice before Liza Minnelli got a turn. On Broadway in 1951. And on film in 1955.
All previous Sally Bowles were blown from memory by Our Miss Brooke’s scintillating interpretation in 2001.
Brooke is a star of TODAY. So there is no excuse for not knowing who Sally Bowles is.
|by Post Gay||reply 63||July 22, 2021 8:26 PM|
It’s truly sad that there are some gay men who think Cabaret starts and ends with the movie when true fans of the theater and Kander & Ebb should be appalled that the score was hacked to bits and the heart of the show (Fraulein Schneider and Herr Schultz) were ripped out of the story.
The movie as a vehicle for Liza is fine, but aside from K&E, the debate with Cabaret should be between Hal Prince and Sam Mendes. Do you miss Why Should I Wake Up? and Meeskite in the revival? Do we need the back-to-back Don’t Tell Mama AND Mein Herr from the film inserted into all new versions (yes!). Which version of The Money Song/Money is better? Is What Would You Do? the most underrated song in the show?
As completely brilliant as Prince’s original staging was, is this a rare case of the revival/revisal improving upon the OG model?
|by Post Gay||reply 64||July 23, 2021 12:59 AM|
The movie of Cabaret is like a rapier going through the original musical - and a very good thing. He removed the heart of the show because the Weimar Republic didn't have a heart.
|by Post Gay||reply 65||July 23, 2021 2:28 AM|
Weimar Republic? It is Herr Schultz and his doomed love for Fraulein Schneider that is the heart of the show. His act of bringing her a pineapple is the heart of the show and when she turns his back on him to save herself is what rips our hearts out.
The stage show never argues that the Weimar Republic had a heart. Far from it. Schneider thinks only with her head to stay alive. Schultz acts on his emotions and pays the price.
Sally and Cliff are fun and flashy, but a great Herr Schultz makes or breaks the show.
|by Post Gay||reply 66||July 23, 2021 12:09 PM|
Actually R48, this is the real Sally Bowles.
|by Post Gay||reply 67||July 23, 2021 1:23 PM|
You've led a sheltered life...you need to get out more. What good is sitting alone in your room?
|by Post Gay||reply 68||July 23, 2021 3:25 PM|
You don't need to know all that faggoty stuff be a gay man. Who decided about all this gay stuff anyway?
|by Post Gay||reply 69||July 23, 2021 5:20 PM|
Herr Issyvoo decided.
|by Post Gay||reply 70||July 23, 2021 6:59 PM|
[quote]Sometimes, people just need to be exposed to these things.
Keep it zipped, buddy--no one needs to be exposed to your "thing."
|by Post Gay||reply 71||July 23, 2021 7:13 PM|
R59, same. I had to look up Sally Bowles. Cabaret is one of those movies I've meant to watch for about 20 years now; just have not gotten around to it [yet].
Not knowing about Grey Gardens and Big & Little Edie is another gay cultural milestone I need to eventually tackle at some point.
|by Post Gay||reply 72||July 23, 2021 7:18 PM|
The movie of Cabaret is really quite good. It's well worth watching.
|by Post Gay||reply 73||July 23, 2021 7:52 PM|
Yes Darling, you linked to the same wiki page R67
|by Post Gay||reply 74||July 23, 2021 9:16 PM|
I just realized Joel Grey probably isn’t gey.
|by Post Gay||reply 75||July 24, 2021 1:31 AM|
Does he know Fraulien Maria is OP?
|by Post Gay||reply 76||July 24, 2021 1:34 AM|
I think it's either very sweet or very sad that after 25 years, your partner doesn't know you that well.
|by Post Gay||reply 77||July 24, 2021 3:05 AM|
[quote]R75 I just realized Joel Grey probably isn’t gey.
My friend knows the (tiresome) author who wrote the novel WICKED. She brought her handsome husband backstage, and Grey was relentlessly flirting with him.
|by Post Gay||reply 78||July 24, 2021 5:00 AM|
[quote]Yes Darling, you linked to the same wiki page.
|by Post Gay||reply 79||July 24, 2021 11:19 AM|
Sally Durant Plummer is the only Sally you need to know. If you don't know who she is grab your pooch and jump off a building.
|by Post Gay||reply 80||July 24, 2021 11:49 AM|
Excuse me. Sally Rogers???
|by Post Gay||reply 81||July 24, 2021 12:20 PM|
Gives a new meaning to the pineapple song.
|by Post Gay||reply 82||July 24, 2021 12:42 PM|
There really needs to be a gay cultural quiz one can administer on potential boyfriends to see if they meet the criteria and worth dating.
|by Post Gay||reply 83||July 24, 2021 12:49 PM|
R78 OK, well that makes sense!
|by Post Gay||reply 84||July 24, 2021 4:07 PM|