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are the folks on HOARDERS really that bad?

I'm hooked on Hoarders and it seems in every single episode the hoarders are reluctant to let go of anything.

Do they ever encounter people who say "thank God you're here; I want to keep this and this and this -- everything else can GO!"

by Anonymousreply 166July 29, 2021 7:34 PM

No, because usually by the time they call the show, the family has already done a cleanup various times and they re-hoard or pull things that were thrown away out of the trash.

by Anonymousreply 1July 20, 2021 5:39 AM

R1, you're probably right. I would say I'm hoarder adjacent. I've been hanging onto way too much stuff, but tomorrow I'm going to start trashing stuff; stocked up on a lot of trashbags and am trying to get in the mindset of 'if I haven't worn it in a year am I ever going to wear it again?'

Wish me luck!

by Anonymousreply 2July 20, 2021 5:46 AM

Yes - I love the show Hoarders, but realized I too hang onto stuff because I don’t want to deal with the anxiety of getting rid of them. I started selling stuff on Facebook Marketplace and when you realize how little people will actually pay (or pick up locally) it makes you think about what things are worth keeping—and what is easier to donate/sell/throw away. Dealing with flaky people, people who ghost you, and people who offer you nothing (or have weird expectations despite photos and exact measurements) has been rough, but have sold things to some nice people as well. However, it has made me think twice about what I buy now and made it easier to get rid of stuff. I am definitely on a path to simplicity and no longer want so much stuff.

by Anonymousreply 3July 20, 2021 6:30 AM

It’s also a lot of work getting rid of stuff. It takes rune to sort, organize, sell, etc. I’m doing it now so I don’t have to do it later.

by Anonymousreply 4July 20, 2021 6:33 AM

*time

by Anonymousreply 5July 20, 2021 6:33 AM

Yes, hoarding is real. And it really is that bad (like on the show called "Hoarders"). There's another show called "Hoarders: Buried Alive."

by Anonymousreply 6July 20, 2021 6:36 AM

It's like going to an alcoholic's house and pouring all their booze down the drain. They will immediately go out to the liquor store and buy more booze. A hoarder will immediately go out and start acquiring more junk if you clean out their house.

by Anonymousreply 7July 20, 2021 6:58 AM

My fave was the folks that had a burst septic tank that resulted in a literal river of shit through their house.

by Anonymousreply 8July 20, 2021 7:59 AM

I have the hoarder gene from my mom and it’s terrible. I had moved into an apartment with double closet with nothing but a duffle and suitcase and when I met my husband three years later was able to fill an entire moving van right to the roof when I moved in with him. I was walking down with the last two items- an old iMac and a laptop tray for bed-and he made me throw them out then and there on the street. I would keep really nice gift wrap, high quality paper, etc. and for awhile would hoard things like towels and socks- when they went on sale.

I’ve since learned to curb my habits, but I have a white shirt fetish- about 50 that I have to stack and restack in my closet because they fall down and I catch myself thinking about buying any more- and have to stay away from the aisle when shopping because I’m attracted the new crisp white look of them, Mary! LOL

by Anonymousreply 9July 20, 2021 8:04 AM

What about the rat hoarder?

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by Anonymousreply 10July 20, 2021 8:04 AM

I grew up to be a tosser because of hoarders.

I intentionally stay out of people's personal stuff because my first instinct is to toss shit as soon as their backs are turned.

by Anonymousreply 11July 20, 2021 8:13 AM

Clothing is easy because you pare down to what you actually need and toss/donate the rest. I bought three nice wire bins from The Container Store and figured out how many shirts, pairs of pants, underwear, socks etc I actually needed and only what fit in those bins and donated everything else. Also only kept one type of shoe (sandal, boot, tennis shoe, etc). I also have four long sleeve and four short sleeved button down shirts., etc it’s amazing how much you can offload and it makes you less inclined to impulse/sale buying because you know what you need.

by Anonymousreply 12July 20, 2021 8:17 AM

Does anyone have any book recommendations for help with getting rid of stuff?

by Anonymousreply 13July 20, 2021 8:19 AM

The shows where all the bathrooms in the house are piled floor to ceiling with junk so they're unusable, so the hoarders are shitting in the backyard and using the garden hose as a shower. OMFG!

by Anonymousreply 14July 20, 2021 4:01 PM

I think hoarders are reverting to an earlier primate/mammalian behavior of nesting in order to self-soothe. Surrounding yourself with soft materials can be comforting, even if it looks like hell from outside. If you've ever had small mammals as pets you know what I mean.

I think people are fascinated with hoarders because they get off on feeling superior and grooving on the suffering.

by Anonymousreply 15July 20, 2021 4:06 PM

My mother is pretty bad because she always thinks she can sell stuff.

"Oh I can get $5 for that at a garage sale"

Even broken shit. It is really frustrating.

by Anonymousreply 16July 20, 2021 4:32 PM

It’s a mental issue that is linked to depression.

Getting rid of all the stuff without mental health treatment concurrently will only cause great anxiety and won’t stop the problem at all

by Anonymousreply 17July 20, 2021 4:39 PM

I’ve seen hoarding start by my parents and uncle as they got older.

by Anonymousreply 18July 20, 2021 4:39 PM

My rule is...One item in, two items out!

by Anonymousreply 19July 20, 2021 4:57 PM

I adore Matt Paxton, and he is the least fucking judgmental guy out there. He's got his own horror stories about being homeless and ready to die under a bridge. I think he had a horrible gambling addiction that nearly did him in.

He sums it up by saying something like "we are all 5 bad decisions away from shitting in a bucket". I've heard different numbers, but talk about splitting hairs. 4? 5? But he says it with compassion. What a guy.

by Anonymousreply 20July 20, 2021 5:01 PM

My mother is a hoarder, the shit is literally piled up to the ceiling, two rooms in her house can't even be entered because there is too much shit. Her mother was the same way.

by Anonymousreply 21July 20, 2021 5:11 PM

When a date asks me - What are your deal breakers? Hoarding is def on the list. I can't stand stuff and things everywhere. It's suffocating. I dated this amazing guy years ago.. a serious catch - and serious hoarder. He had bags full of stuff pilled up to ceiling in his 2 bedroom. The whole apartment was a disaster. I lasted about 3 mos.. and had to break it off.

by Anonymousreply 22July 20, 2021 5:13 PM

I have it too, I MEAN MY FRIEND DOES but it's not so much clutter, it's grub. There needs to be a show called Grubbers.

My boss has the kind of hoarding we see on TV that is so bad that when I don't hear from him in two days I assume his hoard fell on him. I'm stunned he hasn't been reported by the few times the utility companies have had to show up.

by Anonymousreply 23July 20, 2021 5:18 PM

R15 similar to the people that watch My 600 pound life

by Anonymousreply 24July 20, 2021 5:19 PM

r15 Holy shit. My long estranged eldest sister would say about a messy place, either her or her own, without apology, "it is very nesty in here" And that was ancient times. Glad to have found this thread.

by Anonymousreply 25July 20, 2021 5:21 PM

I've known four hoarders. One of them on Sunday drives would pick up junk at overpasses; another could not bear to empty a cigar box full of thread, broken buttons, and hairpins. The third when she sold her house actually moved her "stuff" to rental storage places because her new apartment didn't have enough room. The fourth was a compulsive overeater who stored junk in her shower/tub. She would go a friend's house to shower. She was so fat she hadn't seen her feet in 20 years.

by Anonymousreply 26July 20, 2021 5:21 PM

I always knew my mom had hoarding tendencies but it really got bad as she got older. I'm sure it's a part of dementia.

Anytime I tried to throw something away, she would attach some meaning to it and why it couldn't be given or thrown away.

When she died, I just went like a bulldozer and threw everything away without looking at what most was.

by Anonymousreply 27July 20, 2021 5:21 PM

R27 here again--The reason I am so vigilant about my own home and making sure there is NO clutter is the fear that I will end up like my mom.

Of course, some may think I have a mental issue in the other direction.

by Anonymousreply 28July 20, 2021 5:23 PM

[quote] Clothing is easy because you pare down to what you actually need and toss/donate the rest.

Not trying to argue, but nothing is easy for a hoarder.

by Anonymousreply 29July 20, 2021 5:31 PM

I lived by a couple who were on the show. They were divorced and fighting over the crap in their house and it was all just trash. Gorgeous Victorian in Lower Haight in SF. People started staring at their house more after the show aired and one day the wife came out and freaked out on some lookie loos. It was kind of awesome.

by Anonymousreply 30July 20, 2021 5:36 PM

The rat hoarder at R10 was surprisingly very sympathetic. Dr. Zasio ended up adopting one of the rats.

Yes, love Matt Paxton. Didn't realize he was a gambling addict. Ugh!

Hoarding would be a deal-breaker for me. No way in hell would I try to combine households with a hoarder.

[quote] The shows where all the bathrooms in the house are piled floor to ceiling with junk so they're unusable, so the hoarders are shitting in the backyard and using the garden hose as a shower. OMFG!

Totally agree! Why would you not "preserve" the functionality of your toilet? How is that not a priority? I can understand hoarding up a kitchen and then subsisting on takeout, but to sacrifice your toilet? SMH.

by Anonymousreply 31July 20, 2021 5:36 PM

I used to work/was friendly with a woman who was a hoarder. Her house and her car were filled with STUFF and trash. She came from a wealthy family and had plenty of money that she blew on crap like collecting Happy Meal toys.! I went to her house a couple of times and I couldn't believe my eyes. It finally made sense when I learned that in college she had gotten pregnant (by, GASP! a black man) and her parents shipped her off to a home for unwed mothers and made her give up the baby. I have a feeling that's when the hoarding began.

The last time I saw her, for the most part, was when she had bought this nice new house with the money her parents had left her. She had inherited a lot of their really nice antiques as well. It looked really nice when I went over to see it. I remember telling her she should keep it this way...and then I opened the door to the garage and she was all, "No, don't!" It was filled to the brim with JUNK.

I eventually had to step away from that relationship. She kept getting nuttier. I bet the new, big house is full of crap now, too.

by Anonymousreply 32July 20, 2021 5:37 PM

I'm fascinated by hoarding, hoarders, and the mental gymnastics they go through. My spouse isn't a hoarder exactly but he just buys things because he likes it -- there is never a thought as to how he will use it, or if he needs it. It's all based on "I like it, I want it, I have the money." It doesn't help that he has great taste in clothes and expensive stuff looks really good on him (he's tall and slim). But it's more than that really; anything that strikes his fancy he buys (candy that goes uneaten, note cards that go unsent, soaps that get stockpiled). His sister is more extreme and I think she buys things to fill an emotional need (she is single and has a lot of money): there is a UPS truck at the house 5-7 days a week. And my God! The worst taste imaginable, totally Frau junk like snowy village centerpieces, anything holiday-related (I keep quiet when I visit her house and see it decorated for St. Valentine's Day). "Stuff" has value and that value never lessens and it never expires. It's interesting to see the two of them on a spectrum.

Me? I grew up as one of the younger ones in a large family whose parents watched their spending. I understand hand-me-downs, the "wear it up, wear it out" thinking. I may love a sweater that I see and it's on sale, but I have eight sweaters -- I know when I don't need anymore. I have kept five articles of clothing that I can no longer wear but I will never throw out. They're just there in my closet reminding me of happier times. Those items, five or six photo albums, and a shoe box of mementos are the only things that really mean anything to me.

by Anonymousreply 33July 20, 2021 5:43 PM

My housemate is a not a hoarder but I think what they call a “churner” to some degree and compulsive with unfinished projects/clutter. I’ve cleaned up areas of junk and created space, and he will bring a plant home and leave it on the verge of being repotted in the middle of the floor for days. He’ll go through these short cleanup spurts and give you hope, and then clutter starts piling up again—or a project is started and left unfinished—tools out, mess everywhere—just abandoned. I cleaned the garage and made room (it was filled with random clutter) and he decided to buy and resell things during COVID and filled the area back up —guess where it all still is a year later? What space remains is no filled with landscaping materials—this year’s grand project—which happened for a few weeks then stopped, so garage is full again.

These folks don’t see clean areas as a resolution, they see them as an opportunity to fill up with crap or more space for messes. Interestingly, attempts to help clean up or make things look nice (not redecorating—just putting things that have been sitting in a pile where they belong—are usually resented, and it’s weird the things they overlook or are fussy about. So it’s ok to leave it on the floor for months, but if I put it in the wrong cabinet, that’s a problem? I finally gave up and have been slowly retreating from all areas of the house by removing my things and ignoring old/new messes/clutter. He works from home now and no plans to go back so the situation has ramped up and I realize the only solution is to get out.

by Anonymousreply 34July 20, 2021 5:57 PM

*now

by Anonymousreply 35July 20, 2021 6:01 PM

I also don’t understand how they won’t throw away empty boxes, unneeded packaging, etc. Nope—get something from Amazon, leave box/packing material in the middle of floor. Bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 36July 20, 2021 6:09 PM

Yeah, I don't understand trash hoarders. This lady, Sherry, I hated. She sat on a chair in her living room, throwing needles onto the floor. Soda cans everywhere. Kids were serving her meals. She had a shitty personality.

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by Anonymousreply 37July 20, 2021 6:22 PM

This lady is a prime example of victim mentality. The problem is not the mess, it’s the fact that even if they clean it up, she feels justified in making it again.

by Anonymousreply 38July 20, 2021 6:37 PM

My dad and his mother were both hoarders, not like you see on the show but bad enough. Dad was very good about organizing his stuff into boxes and storing it nicely, so you didn't really realize he was hoarding. As I get older I struggle with getting rid of stuff I know I don't need and sometimes spend a few days worrying about (or missing) some junky old thing I threw out. A decade ago I wouldn't have acted this way. It's worrisome.

by Anonymousreply 39July 20, 2021 6:51 PM

I have some shared common areas with my neighbors. They're not hoarders, but they don't ever seem to get rid of anything. I do sometimes need to pick stuff off the ground so that nobody trips, etc. It is sometimes an eyesore, looking at stuff piled up and stored in every possible space. For the most part, though, I like my neighbors and I just deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 40July 20, 2021 6:57 PM

Hoarding is clinical psychiatric condition associated with OCD. These people are mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 41July 20, 2021 7:00 PM

I would say yes, they are as bad as what's depicted on the show. I bought the house right across the street from the one I live in 5 years ago. From the outside, it was in perfect condition, great detailed paint job, nice lawn, with wood fencing all around and an electric gate in the back at the driveway. But the people who had lived there for the last 10 years (renters) , who were totally nice and seemingly normal, were hoarders. When they moved out and I went inside for the first time, I couldn't even see the floors for the mounds of stuff they had left. The basement had a room that I couldn't even enter because it was filled four feet high with stuff. It has a huge yard, and there was a single path that went from the front gate, to the basement door, to the back door, to the driveway gate...the entire yard was filled, at least four feet high, with stuff. None of it was trash or garbage, it was just a collection of stuff, in fact, there were many things that I kept myself because they were new or unusual or useful. I made the Sellers remove it all prior to closing, and it took 27 trips to the dump with large trash trucks to clear it out.

by Anonymousreply 42July 20, 2021 7:14 PM

I haven't watched Hoarders in a while...but, I could never eat anything while watching it. It could be so totally gross... especially bathrooms and kitchens.

by Anonymousreply 43July 20, 2021 7:17 PM

A resident in my condo (where I'm on the condo board) is a hoarder and she has been for 20+ years. She's insufferable. A retired teacher, she had to come out of retirement to feed her shopping addiction. Intermittently the condo corp has to intervene because her hoarding creates both pest control issues for adjacent suites and poses a fire hazard (she's a recovering alcoholic who smokes in amongst all that garbage, I think she just replaced her alcoholism for this).

Every time help is offered and given, such as allowing her to repay the condo corporation back in installments for clean up efforts that normally are required every 1-2 years, she finds something to complain about. She has repeatedly accused workers (who specialize in this sort of cleanup) of stealing shit she didn't even know she had, despite the fact that she is made to supervise the entire cleanup to avoid this very thing. She's a horrible asshole, and I know this is a mental illness intellectually, but I still find her contemptible.

The last time we cleaned her shit up, we even arranged to have her place painted and flooring installed (she was living on BARE CONCRETE because she couldn't see the floor anyway, her logic) she fucked up her place all over again in one year's time. Despite all this and sure as shit, she is always shopping based on the daily stream of packages we receive for her.

It's an extremely difficult illness to treat apparently, with a very low recovery rate. She knows what's wrong with her, knows she needs consistent medication and treatment with a psychiatrist, but she continues to resist it. I don't think she can he helped.

by Anonymousreply 44July 20, 2021 7:22 PM

If you knew the high I got off clearing out my dad's basement and garage and barns....filling contractor bags, loading up the jeep, driving to older Walgreen's (dumpster in the alley) flinging bags(great shoulder&tris exercise) and then driving off...so transgressive.

I may be a sadist.

by Anonymousreply 45July 20, 2021 7:37 PM

^^ Ah, so you're trans then ^^

by Anonymousreply 46July 20, 2021 7:42 PM

My partner is a hoarder. When he “cleans” he just moves things to another room and fills it up. I’m depressed everyday. I can’t keep up with his clutter anymore.

by Anonymousreply 47July 20, 2021 7:43 PM

My mother was the ANTI-HOARDER, she wanted everything thrown out. She was one of those mothers who would "clean" your room, give away toys without asking and throw away stuff like baseball cards that would be worth thousands today. My brother is exactly like that, but his wife won't let him in the daughters' rooms.

by Anonymousreply 48July 20, 2021 7:49 PM

Collectibles are only worth thousands because mothers had common sense.

by Anonymousreply 49July 20, 2021 7:53 PM

The American lifestyle seems suited for hoarding. (I'm American.) All this consumer crap, Amazon ordering, etc. I wonder, in countries that are more austere, if hoarding is an issue.

I saw a U.K. show about hoarding, so, I realize it's a problem there as well.

by Anonymousreply 50July 20, 2021 8:18 PM

I feel so good when I throw things out--I pray I never become a hoarder.

by Anonymousreply 51July 20, 2021 8:24 PM

I know a hoarder with real money. She orders stuff from TV shopping channels and piles the packages without even opening them. Floor to ceiling.

by Anonymousreply 52July 20, 2021 8:24 PM

R33 That candy would never go uneaten in my home.

by Anonymousreply 53July 20, 2021 8:24 PM

[quote] My partner is a hoarder. When he “cleans” he just moves things to another room and fills it up. I’m depressed everyday. I can’t keep up with his clutter anymore.

I'd break up or, at least, move out. I'd go nuts living with a hoarder.

by Anonymousreply 54July 20, 2021 8:41 PM

Me too R51. I take too much pride in my home.

by Anonymousreply 55July 20, 2021 8:47 PM

Last summer, I did a clean-out of all of my stuff. I opened every single drawer & cabinet and looked at what was inside. Threw out things I wasn't using.

by Anonymousreply 56July 20, 2021 9:05 PM

The people who hoard animals in cages should be taken out and shot.

by Anonymousreply 57July 20, 2021 9:20 PM

R48, I'm also an anti-hoarder, as was my mother. While I didn't like that most of my stuff got purged on the regular, and occasionally 'miss' some childhood items, I am grateful that I have the foresight to stay organized and on top of my belongings.

My partner is a slight hoarder. He knows he has a problem sorting and organizing all the papers he retains, but his 'cleaning spurts' aren't long enough to sustain the rate of collections. Any piece of mail, weekly free newspapers, receipts, shopping bags, any/all paper or plastic bags - he thinks he'll need at some point. When I get on a cleaning binge, I organize some of it, put it into piles, and recycle/throw out lots of items that he never misses or realizes. But occasionally he will notice and get mad that I threw something out. When we moved in together, I demanded that he throw away 75% of his possessions, and he did. It's now 5 years later, and he has probably accumulated/netted about 10% of the paper hoard back.

At least it's not food or animals or anything...

by Anonymousreply 58July 20, 2021 9:22 PM

r18 you see a lot of that on Hoarders. Many of the hoarders were very neat when they were younger but as they aged they started hoarding, much to the bafflement and horror of their family members.

by Anonymousreply 59July 20, 2021 9:25 PM

These ladies are funny —they make fun of thr nastiness they find so some might be triggered

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by Anonymousreply 60July 20, 2021 9:27 PM

*the

by Anonymousreply 61July 20, 2021 9:28 PM

When I was very young there was an old woman who lived on my street who was what we would now call a hoarder but back then they were called "packrats." Every window of her house was piled up with junk, you couldn't see inside. After she died, there were dumptrucks in the front yard to haul away all the crap that was inside the house, it was unbelievable, everybody in the neighborhood was standing out in the street watching it. Back then the hoarding disorder wasn't as commonly known as it is now and I remember the neighbors who were standing in the street saying things like "what IS this? What the hell was wrong with her?"

The house was so damaged it was unsalvageable, it was torn down a short time later and another house was built on the property.

by Anonymousreply 62July 20, 2021 9:30 PM

My issue is that I have stuff and yet buy more of the same, because I can't find my stuff at home when I need it. I once tried to get more organized and found like 20 scissors, of the same type, and half of them were still in their package in mint condition. I was so embarrassed by that discovery (wasting all that money), that I had to stop with my organizing attempt.

by Anonymousreply 63July 20, 2021 9:34 PM

A pair of brothers who were among the first famous hoarders

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by Anonymousreply 64July 20, 2021 9:36 PM

[quote]My boss has the kind of hoarding we see on TV that is so bad that when I don't hear from him in two days I assume his hoard fell on him.

A few years ago there was a story on the news about a woman who lived in my area who died exactly that way. Her hoard fell on her and she wasn't discovered for several weeks.

by Anonymousreply 65July 20, 2021 9:37 PM

[quote]Do they ever encounter people who say "thank God you're here; I want to keep this and this and this -- everything else can GO!"

Are you serious? The show would be over before the first commercial. No, that doesn't happen.

by Anonymousreply 66July 20, 2021 9:49 PM

R12. Of course, but before I have to get rid off all the other useless books I am hoarding on my bookshelf, so I can find it in the third row.

On a more serious way. Just start looking in your closet. Try everything which is in there. Two options: still your size or not. The hill with not your size anymore, pick max a fourth or better less. Would you buy it again in a store? If not... Gone. The other part, put it on. Comfortable, looking good on you, worn in the last two years. Keep it.

by Anonymousreply 67July 20, 2021 9:49 PM

R63 that is why so many people end up hoarders. There is so much emotional energy tied up in their mess (including shame) that it’s easier to just put it out of their mind and think it will happen someday. Best to say “I get to donate these to a person who needs them” and commit to cleaning a box/area/drawer a day. I’ve been doing this and when you start seeing progress it feels good and inspires you to do more. I also take “stress breaks” where I will say to myself, “At 5 you are going to do—“ and commit to it for an hour or so. Then I take a break for 30 min to an hour and repeat. That way you don’t burn yourself out. It’s like when people go to the gym and do way too much the first day and end up super sore and never go back, when they could have done a half an hour of light exercise and increased over time and made real progress.

by Anonymousreply 68July 20, 2021 9:51 PM

I do like shows where they do want to make the changes. The lady whose husband died and she kept his pants and it started a hoarding habit and the gay guy that was collecting puppets and toys were great shows.

by Anonymousreply 69July 20, 2021 10:02 PM

I like how the show always follows a predictable trajectory:

1. Person is sad/embarrassed and wants to change 2. Day of cleanup—hoarder there but looking anxious 3. Hoarder begrudgingly starts to help with clean but won’t throw anything away (keep pile) 4. Has meltdown over some minor thing/starts fight with relative/ finds reason to leave 5. Hoarder starts crying and says the inevitable, “You’re throwing everything away, you might as well just throw me in the dumpster too!”

by Anonymousreply 70July 20, 2021 10:20 PM

I think they call in Matt P when the hoarder is a frau bitch wheels. He doesn’t play around and tells them what’s up!

by Anonymousreply 71July 20, 2021 10:27 PM

*frau bitch on wheels

by Anonymousreply 72July 20, 2021 10:27 PM

[41] is right. Hoarding is just the visible manifestation of other pathologies. These people are often the victims of earlier mental or sexual abuse.

It was only after therapy that I realized my "hoarding tendencies" or as I like to call it "acquisition fetish" is the result of two withholding parents who used to moderate/control my behavior by allowing me access to, or denying me access to, the things I loved. Great books, records, so forth. I would ask permission to buy something and would get "well, let's see how you behave for the next XX and we'll talk about it then." After that, of course, every time I did something that didn't meet with their approval (almost daily for a young gayling like myself) it would be..."Well, looks like somebody isn't getting that trip to the library they wanted so bad." By about age 13 or 14 I realized what their stratagem was, and when I would get the party line, I would say .I'll take that as a no," and walk away. Later in life, when I had my freedom and my own resources, I would acquire the things I had been denied as a child. Bags of books from bookstores, only 20% of which I ever got around to reading. It's never too late to reparent yourself, but it's a fucking struggle.

by Anonymousreply 73July 20, 2021 10:39 PM

A lot of hoarders are forced into an intervention because of legal consequences. E.g., the outside of their house is hoarded-up and the neighbors are complaining. Fines and even jail time can be involved.

Or CPS or APS (adult protective services) finds out that there is an ingress / egress problem. EMS / fire department wouldn't be able to get into the house if someone needed help.

by Anonymousreply 74July 20, 2021 10:54 PM

I can't watch Hoarders, it hits too close to home. My father has obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, and my mother has borderline traits, if not the full-blown disorder. His hoarding and procrastination around home maintenance issues were a constant source of conflict. They should have divorced. But I'm kind of glad they didn't. As shitty as our house looked at times, my dad was still the sane, emotionally-stable parent, at least in comparison to my mother. Living with her alone...no thank you.

My dad's hoarding has worsened with age, and my mother decided to move into a retirement home because she finally can't take it anymore. My brother and I moved her in a couple weeks ago. I won't go into the details, but it was rough. Suffice it to say, I am thoroughly over my parents' shit, whether it's their physical belongings or their emotional issues. And while I know some of their belongings are worth money, when the time comes, my brother and I will be donating most of it, because we've already expended way too much energy coping with their co-dependent insanity. You can't put a price on freedom.

by Anonymousreply 75July 20, 2021 11:31 PM

I just can’t believe some of the extremes. Like the lady who would tie herself to a chair in the kitchen to sleep at night and had to call paramedics because she slipped down and was trapped hanging there. I think that was the lady whose bathroom floor was rotted away due to piles of dirty Depends. Depressing.

by Anonymousreply 76July 20, 2021 11:31 PM

I remember that episode, R76. That was depressing.

by Anonymousreply 77July 21, 2021 12:42 AM

Anti-hoarders are almost as sick as hoarders. I knew one who saw the musical version of Grey Gardens and claimed she went into convulsions and had to leave the theater. I'm not kidding!

by Anonymousreply 78July 21, 2021 12:49 AM

The hoarding on the Hoarders TV show is so extreme though. Most of the people featured aren't even really hoarding stuff anymore - its trash. They can't even bother to throw away old newspaper, plastic bags or empty Pepsi bottles. Part of it is mental illness but part of it is also laziness.

Very few people ever have neat hoards.

by Anonymousreply 79July 21, 2021 12:58 AM

Dr. Robin Zasio looks like David Bowie in Labyrinth.

by Anonymousreply 80July 21, 2021 1:04 AM

Have to realize they have distressing thoughts, obsessions, compulsions/rituals around their hoard.

by Anonymousreply 81July 21, 2021 1:09 AM

R79, trash hoarding is HOARDING. The most common for the very mentally ill ones.

by Anonymousreply 82July 21, 2021 1:12 AM

I don't even like going in a house with lots of clutter. I feel contaminated by the miasma.

by Anonymousreply 83July 21, 2021 1:14 AM

r76 I also remember that one. That lady had piles of used Depends covered in shit, all over the house. They were kind enough to pixellate the piles so the viewers didn't throw up.

by Anonymousreply 84July 21, 2021 1:16 AM

Dr Robin Zasio needs an intervention with her makeup artist regarding her foundation and the person who does the lighting for those interviews. Not flattering.

by Anonymousreply 85July 21, 2021 1:23 AM

Oh god R76 ,that episode broke my heart. That old lady was so sweet,but in absolutely horrendous physical (and mental) condition. I hated the way her daughter lied to her that she was going to move her in to her house then at the end shoved her in some medicare home.

by Anonymousreply 86July 21, 2021 1:27 AM

I am somewhat OCD and those shows do make me anxious. And if I need to clean, those episodes get you moving.

by Anonymousreply 87July 21, 2021 1:27 AM

I think it’s easy to condemn family members, but old people can be very stubborn, manipulative and combative. By the time they do the shows, the family has gone through hell, and the person is often so deteriorated both mentally and physically the family doesn’t have a lot of options. I’m dealing with this right now with an elderly and very ill grandma who owns property so everyone is jumping through hoops to let her be at home and Is denying hospice care, which keeps her holding court/power over family members. It’s been going on for twenty years and it’s exhausting. Jo one will lay down the law and get some kind of conservatorship, so people just play along.

by Anonymousreply 88July 21, 2021 1:38 AM

No one

by Anonymousreply 89July 21, 2021 1:38 AM

[quote] I think it’s easy to condemn family members, but old people can be very stubborn, manipulative and combative.

I don't watch these shows and blame the family members. I actually feel sorry for the family members. The only time I feel judgmental is when kids (under 18) are living with a hoarder & the other parent won't step in to help. That was Sherry's situation (at R37 ), IIRC. Her husband had moved out of the hoarded house, but left the two children there. What the fuck?

by Anonymousreply 90July 21, 2021 2:02 AM

My brother always had hoarding tendencies and it was a mild cold war between him and our mother. He would get all enthused about something (lego, airfix planes, Tin-Tin etc) and had to get everything he could related to his latest obsession. But he could never let go once his interest had waned and he'd moved on to the next thing. So he would have dusty boxes of broken toys and dog eared magazines piled under his bed. Our mum had to set very clear boundaries or he would have slowly taken over the house. If it could fit under his bed or the bottom of his wardrobe he could store it, if it was one of his current treasures on display in his room, it had to be dusted weekly. My brother is a lovely guy and our mum was a dedicated parent. She could see he was headed for trouble. I really think if she hadn't forced those habits on him in childhood my brother would have been a full-blown hoarder by now. He STILL gets enthused and collects and finds it hard to let go. He carves off chunks of his family home to house his collections, which then lay untouched for a decade or two BUT the treasures are organised into a specific space and occasionally turned over if he can't find a new space to carve off for the latest hobby.

by Anonymousreply 91July 21, 2021 2:09 AM

It's no joke. My MIL is a hoarder. We tried to help her clean out her basement, she panicked because I threw away McCalls magazines that were soaked from when the basement flooded - 20 years ago. She yelled at me telling me you cannot get those magazines anymore and she was saving the recipes (she does not cook). When her husband died. she forced us to shred every piece of mail they had saved - 20 years of unopened mail - that she said we had to open every piece of mail and shred and if you opened something when she was not in the room, god help you.

by Anonymousreply 92July 21, 2021 2:16 AM

IMO, if you want to keep your "stuff" at a reasonable level, there is *always* a chance that you will regret throwing out something. This applies to maybe 2% of the items you cull from your belongings. That's just part of life. The tradeoff is that you know what you have and what you don't have. You're not buying a 19th pair of scissors because you can't find the other 18 pairs (they're somewhere around here, just can't find them right now).

by Anonymousreply 93July 21, 2021 2:25 AM

I think there's a correlation between homelessness and hoarding. There's a shit ton of homeless encampments in my neighborhood and it's dismaying how much SHIT they have. The city will flush them out and it always involves a couple of dump trucks, a bobcat or two and reluctant city workers to clear them out. Next time you see an encampment watch them and think of this: they're ALWAYS fucking around with their hoards, moving this pile of shit to that suitcase or digging around in the fourth trash bag and scoping out the neighborhood dumpsters for more shit to add to the piles. My neighborhood's NextDoor page is full of accounts of theft and piles of human shit in alleyways and driveways.

Cut me and I bleed blue but I'm fucking SICK of their bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 94July 21, 2021 2:28 AM

I do wonder if this compulsion increases with age? I wonder if it’s an illusion of security or a coping with their own mortality?

by Anonymousreply 95July 21, 2021 2:32 AM

R15, I think it’s more of a “there but for grace of god, go I” psychology.

by Anonymousreply 96July 21, 2021 2:32 AM

My MIL blames it on her "generation" and how they didn't have anything so they save everything. She is overly sentimental. She attaches meaning to everything. She has a 30-year-old lime green polyester suit coat for a 10-year-old in the front closet. I wanted to throw it out and she started crying. She was saving it for her nephew who is 17. I told her no one would even want to wear it, it was hideous. She switched from crying to anger. She lashed out and told me who was i to judge style? Guess where the coat is now? In her hall closet.

by Anonymousreply 97July 21, 2021 2:41 AM

That's maddening r97. You see that on Hoarders all the time, people who have sentimental attachments to worthless junk. It amazes me that the family and even the therapists and cleaning guys don't throttle these people.

by Anonymousreply 98July 21, 2021 2:43 AM

I’d fuck cleaning pro Cory Chalmers for sure. He’s kind of studly. Yee-Haw.

And probably chunky little Matt Paxton, too.

I binged this show last year and watched all the episodes. Sherry was probably my absolute least favorite. She was infuriating. Roaches everywhere, insulin needles, depends. She was an absolute pig. I felt so bad for her daughter.

And there was another one where a 50 something year old man was a hoarder, and his son and daughter in law would drop off their 4 kids everyday for grandpa to babysit, and they claimed they had no idea his house was a death trap. The son got in his father’s face yelling “you endangered my kids!” I was like, bitch, please, you want free child care and don’t care that your kids could die in the mess. Stfu.

I’d like to see some more updates on the hoarders.

by Anonymousreply 99July 21, 2021 2:53 AM

Yeah, Cory makes me hot too.

by Anonymousreply 100July 21, 2021 2:54 AM

A fair number of the hoarders profiled on this show are older and have health problems and look like they have maybe three years left if they're lucky. In those cases I think "why even bother?"

by Anonymousreply 101July 21, 2021 3:00 AM

I can’t with Corey he’s always got a major “cold sore” on his lip and it kills the hotness. 😵‍💫

by Anonymousreply 102July 21, 2021 3:13 AM

Hoarding runs down my father’s side of the family. My brother had it, my grandfather has it. I have to be careful. After having to deal with both my grandfather and brother’s out of control homes, my anxiety level starts climbing if someone even mentions the word.

The research is fascinating. Depression is a huge factor. Some think it’s in the genes and not strictly a learned behavior.

by Anonymousreply 103July 21, 2021 3:15 AM

I've never seen a cold sore

by Anonymousreply 104July 21, 2021 3:17 AM

[quote] The research is fascinating. Depression is a huge factor. Some think it’s in the genes and not strictly a learned behavior.

Yes, it does seem like all the hoarders were depressed. I do think hoarding does have a genetic factor (not just a learned behavior).

by Anonymousreply 105July 21, 2021 3:20 AM

In my year of full time drinking, a fb asked me to help clean somebody's house - garbage can next to the recliner, soda bottles as ashtrays, kitchen filled with half empty frozen dinner trays, pizza boxes and clothes thrown everywhere, stacks of magazines and a bathroom with balled up sanitary napkins next to the toilet.

The fb said it had been a week since his last visit; the first cleaning took 40 hours with the father standing guard over the trash bins.

The father owned the building and paid for cleaning and laundry. The daughter had a few degrees and taught adjunct.

by Anonymousreply 106July 21, 2021 4:31 AM

With the father standing guard over the trash bins.

Why?

by Anonymousreply 107July 21, 2021 5:01 AM

I see many of these hoarders getting into a snowballing situation where they get so overwhelmed they don't know how to get out of it. Same thing with overweight people, they gain 20, 30, 40 pounds and they don't know where to begin to lose it. I'm talking about otherwise mentally normal types, not the 600 pounders or the ones where their house it condemned.

My favorite hoarder is Denise of Chicago. A series of events plus depression has put her in a hole. She knows she's a hoarder and wants help. Not only is her house a pigsty, her house is in foreclosure and the tenant's apt is overrun with mice. I wonder what happened to Denise:

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by Anonymousreply 108July 21, 2021 1:42 PM

R8 I remember that one and her sister freaking out when she visited.

by Anonymousreply 109July 21, 2021 1:50 PM

The freaked out neighbor or family seeing the hoard for the first time is my favorite scene in every episode. This is Denise's neighbor Barbara conveniently sitting on the stoop of her building so she can be invited up. Excellent performance, Barbara!

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by Anonymousreply 110July 21, 2021 3:17 PM

I love it when Dr. Melva Green changes wigs mid-show.

by Anonymousreply 111July 22, 2021 4:52 AM

OP here; this has all been very illuminating. I had a zoom thing last night (not for work) and hid the video; most everyone, including me, was muted; while it was going on, I picked up a year's worth of magazines that I buy only for one column in it.

I tore out the column of like 52 issues and this morning an entire bag of magazines (minus the one column from each issue) went out.

It's not much but it's a start.

This weekend, I'm setting time aside to hit the closets and clothes that don't fit and are never going to are going out.

by Anonymousreply 112July 22, 2021 6:27 AM

My friends dad was a major hoarder. However, if this makes any sense, his place wasn't dirty/filthy. Everything was meticulously organized, you just barely had any room to walk around in his house. In particular, he would save flyers and junk mail for some strange reason. He would stack them neatly on top of each other, they were all the way to the ceiling. The areas of his house you could walk into, like the kitchen or the bathroom, were spotless.

by Anonymousreply 113July 22, 2021 7:47 AM

My mom would go into hysterics whenever I went through her mail when I visited. She’d go back into the trash and tape together junk mail. I’d find it the next time I went through it- neatly sorted and back where it was before.

She always had tons of stuff she’d carry with her, flashlights, sugar packets, deeds to property, decades-old rent receipts- tons of stuff- even if going to the corner store she insisted on taking her pocketbook and had a beach bag-sized one that kept growing and eventually was so heavy, one day she fell over at the bank trying to carry it over her shoulder!

When we got home I promptly grabbed the bag and dumped everything out on the floor and confiscated all other bags in the house but a tiny one. I had to trot a good mile away from her home and dump them in a different dumpster than the one she uses in her complex- or she would’ve gone back to get them.

The same thing with her shoes, they were split and worn, a chunk of the sole held on with laces- and I had to yank them off her feet and run out the door with them- as she had two brand new pair sitting in their boxes for MONTHS, same exact size and model and she still insisted on wearing the old ones until I got fed up with her behavior and threw them out.

by Anonymousreply 114July 22, 2021 10:40 AM

R114 here again - when we finally put my junk mail aficionado mom in a nursing home just before shutdown, I got to visit her a year and a half later a few weeks ago and opened her dresser drawer- only to find she had kept every single daily food paper menu that she received since admission- hundreds of them stacked inside a FedEx envelope.

Old habits never die!

by Anonymousreply 115July 22, 2021 10:48 AM

r44, I understand completely. My partner isn't a hoarder but he does have some mental illness issues (though has avoided getting diagnoses beyond GAD) and he's been to see seven therapists and with every single one, after several visits, suddenly he doesn't like them anymore and he won't continue to go. He once accidentally revealed he'd been lying to a therapist the whole time he went.

He knows he's got a problem that needs professional treatment but avoids treatment as much as possible. Logically I know it's part of the illness but it's incredibly difficult to not blame him for deliberately making bad choices.

by Anonymousreply 116July 22, 2021 10:51 AM

The missing dead kittens episode was classic. Comedy gold.

by Anonymousreply 117July 22, 2021 11:10 AM

The only thing I hoard is cloths because I have the delusion that some day I will fit in those again. Yeah, mental illness.

by Anonymousreply 118July 22, 2021 11:38 AM

If you think about it, the instinct for hoarding is not a bad trait for one person to have in a group of hunter gatherers moving from campsite to campsite. They're prepared to carry the extra weight of broken flints, worn out baskets and a spare elk shoulder blade "just in case" while everyone else travels light. You can imagine there are plenty of situations where their hoarding might save lives. But in this modern world of over abundance that old instinct has become a terrible burden for those who can't control it.

Back on the savanna your hoard was as much as a single adult could carry, today.....

by Anonymousreply 119July 22, 2021 12:32 PM

Slightly off-topic. Have you every noticed that people with messy desks have very organized minds, and people with organized desks have very messy minds?

by Anonymousreply 120July 22, 2021 1:18 PM

Were they sackcloths, R118?

by Anonymousreply 121July 22, 2021 4:57 PM

[quote] Slightly off-topic. Have you every noticed that people with messy desks have very organized minds, and people with organized desks have very messy minds?

No, I haven't noticed that.

by Anonymousreply 122July 22, 2021 5:53 PM

R97, I would add to that - the older generations didn't have the ability to quickly purchase things online - so when you found that unique bric a brac shelf you kept it forever in the garage. Nowadays, when you're serious about buying, you can go to an antique shop that has an internet page.

by Anonymousreply 123July 22, 2021 6:47 PM

What the hell is a "messy mind" and how would one diagnose that??

Such stupid shit gets posted here.

by Anonymousreply 124July 22, 2021 6:51 PM

Talk to a lawyer, R124. But first look at the desk.

by Anonymousreply 125July 22, 2021 6:57 PM

When we cleaned out my MIL basement we put all the stuff getting thrown out on the curb. The neighbor came over and asked if my MIL was moving out. I told her no, this was just what we were throwing out of hte basement. She goes "how much does she have in that house??"

by Anonymousreply 126July 22, 2021 7:29 PM

r118 By the time you can fit into those clothes again, they'll be horribly out of style and may not fit you well either. If youre curious about getting back into a specific size or what they'll look like when you lose the weight, keep one pair of pants, one shirt....Clear out the rest. It's probably worthless unless its designer brand stuff you can put on poshmark for some extra cash

by Anonymousreply 127July 22, 2021 11:24 PM

[quote]Have you every noticed that people with messy desks have very organized minds, and people with organized desks have very messy minds?

There is a lot of truth to that. People with messy desks tend to be more creative types. People with perfectly organized desks tend to tend to have a lot of physiological issues like OCD, Bipolar, Narcissism, Addiction, Borderline etc. They say things like "I cant think if my desk is out of place".

by Anonymousreply 128July 23, 2021 5:40 AM

The people that kill me are the ones who complain about ness while you are doing something.

by Anonymousreply 129July 23, 2021 6:33 AM

*mess

by Anonymousreply 130July 23, 2021 6:34 AM

Thr question

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by Anonymousreply 131July 24, 2021 7:53 AM

I think a lot of elder gays of yesteryear are horaders. The ones the grew up with Boys in the Band as their mantra. Now in their 60's 70's and 80's they tend to have houses filled to the brim with antiques no one wants. That fad and look died out decades ago but not for them. I will probably get flamed just for saying that.

by Anonymousreply 132July 24, 2021 11:42 AM

When I was a social worker at a hospital, we had this diabetic guy come in who had a prosthetic leg. He gave me permission to go to his home to go get his leg because he needed it for physio. I was warned I’d likely need to wear protective gear. They weren’t kidding. I’d never seen a real life hoarder. There were little trails to walk through the house, and dog and cat poop everywhere. The basement stairs were loaded with trash bags full of stuff. I have no idea how he moved around that house on a prosthetic leg.

by Anonymousreply 133July 24, 2021 11:55 AM

R120 , yes.

by Anonymousreply 134July 26, 2021 6:04 AM

R127, OP here; you've made a great point; I've spent the weekend going through my closets and all my clothes. I have two trash bags filled to go to goodwill/thrift store; first, I'm going to go through them one last time and pick out the designer stuff and see if I can get a couple of bucks for them at a resale place, but you've inspired me to go through the closets one more time...even if I fit into the stuff again, it won't be the same.

I remember years ago when I had lost 40 lbs. People called me skinny and I felt great and looked so much better but the old stuff never really fit the way it did the first time.

I'll treat myself to new clothes once I take the weight off (again!)

I am on the fence about renting a small storage unit solely for my comic book collection. 3 x 5 feet. I want to get about 30 short boxes in storage -- at least long enough to get the rest of the place cleared out and organized.

I know for now I want to keep the comic books but if I can get them out of here for a while I'll be able to get to the other crap that definitely needs to go.

by Anonymousreply 135July 26, 2021 6:12 AM

I have a really hard time getting rid of things that were gifts. Even if they're completely useless.

Can't stand Matt Paxton, what a dick. I generally like the other specialists.

by Anonymousreply 136July 26, 2021 6:18 AM

R135 have a set plan about a storage unit. They can be a trap for not dealing with clutter—out of sight, out of mind…

by Anonymousreply 137July 26, 2021 10:24 AM

r135 I do that twice a year. Go through my closet and get rid of anything I haven't warn or doesn't fit or I just think why did I buy that? Donate it all to the veterans. Now when I shop I am ultra-conservative on clothes thinking "will I just give it to a vet in six months?"

by Anonymousreply 138July 26, 2021 4:58 PM

I can't even leave a dirty dish or glass in the sink I'm so OCD. I watch Hoarders in morbid fascination because I am astounded at how people can live like that.

by Anonymousreply 139July 26, 2021 5:00 PM

My pick for the most disgusting person from [italic]Hoarders[/italic] is Augustine from New Orleans.

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by Anonymousreply 140July 26, 2021 5:29 PM

R137, I will, thanks. I am tackling the bedroom first; last night I disassembled a stacking unit in there (effective but unattractive and not dealing with the situation): I've been able to move some furniture that was blocking other furniture in that place; I need to keep tossing to create more room.

I think if I get the comics out of here for two months I can really get to the other stuff and create more space; hopefully enough to get the comics back in (and then sell half to 75% of them); I can use the money to get digital copies. I've talked about doing this for years and now I'm taking steps.

Fingers crossed I keep going.

by Anonymousreply 141July 26, 2021 6:48 PM

Augustine was what in the South they call "touched."

by Anonymousreply 142July 26, 2021 6:52 PM

I like that lady’s accent at r140

How many roooostuhs does she hay-av?

by Anonymousreply 143July 27, 2021 1:09 AM

Laura's sons are smoking hot.

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by Anonymousreply 144July 27, 2021 1:12 AM

R137 here good luck, r141. It’s tough to stay motivated. I have health issues so I tend to take breaks. I also make a list of goals for certain days. That way there is some tangible structure. I’m a horrible procrastinator so it has helped since I’m generally too tired by the end of the day. Easy to make excuses.

by Anonymousreply 145July 27, 2021 1:27 AM

OMG r144 that family is SO New York, I love it!

by Anonymousreply 146July 27, 2021 1:40 AM

R145, R141/OP here.

I get tired too; I've recently started taking magnesium -- not sure if it's a placebo effect or not but I feel I have a smidge more energy.

for years, I've been paralyzed; don't get the storage unit; deal with the stuff; wait, maybe get the unit; put the stuff you know you want to keep there so you can get to the trash...

I realize now the important thing is to just try to do something every day, even if it's small.

I also have a cleaning lady coming to help me; I find I tend to throw out stuff more if somewhere is here literally holding the bag.

by Anonymousreply 147July 27, 2021 4:34 AM

Don't get a storage unit OP, you will never get rid of the junk in it. I had a friend that did that for what he thought would only be 6 months. Then 6 turned into 1 year and 1 year turned into 10. When he finally deiced to clean it out he realized he paid thousand and thousands of dollars for what was basically yard sale crap. He saved one thing out of that whole ordeal. Unless you have thinks worth thousand of dollars that can be sold at auction in one big sale or some very precious family heirloom not worth it. I know you said you have comic books, but are you really going to sit there selling them one by one?

by Anonymousreply 148July 27, 2021 5:17 AM

I would also vote against a storage unit. You will probably never stop renting it. You’ll have more room in your house for more stuff, including comics. Then, if you stop paying rent on the storage unit, poof, your comics are gone.

by Anonymousreply 149July 27, 2021 6:40 AM

I "temporarily" stored an old car I was going to have restored and the next thing I knew, it had been eight years and the restoration folks I was going to use had moved to a bigger city several hours away. Decided to sell the car and didn't quite recoup the cost of the storage.

Do NOT put anything in storage. Out of site, out of mind.

by Anonymousreply 150July 27, 2021 9:07 AM

Delta Burke used to have 12 storage unites during her days on Designing Women. She had a shopping addiction. Ordered things she never even opened. That should tell you everything you need to know about storage units.

by Anonymousreply 151July 27, 2021 9:17 AM

I think the general issue is, why drag these mentally sick people, and their home's condition, in front of a camera? On one hand, it can scare viewers straight with their own early stages of clutter and hoarding and maybe even show compassion towards people going through that. On the other hand, they are exploited as freak entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 152July 27, 2021 9:21 AM

It's show business R152 not show therapy.

Both of those things could be true at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 153July 27, 2021 9:26 AM

[quote] I think the general issue is, why drag these mentally sick people, and their home's condition, in front of a camera?

I think the Hoarders shows made people realize that hoarding is a disorder or a sickness. It's not just being a "pack rat" or a "junk collector." The shows were probably more helpful to the families of hoarders rather than the hoarders themselves. (Feeling validated helps a lot.)

The families of the hoarders featured on "Hoarders" were at the end of their ropes dealing with the hoarder family member. The tradeoff was that the hoarder got a therapist, a professional home organizer, and all those "Got Junk" trucks to haul shit away. (It's actually expensive to rent a Dumpster.)

by Anonymousreply 154July 27, 2021 4:29 PM

all good advice on the storage unit.

I've been putting it off for the very reasons you've all listed; I'll have it forever; I'll never deal with the stuff once it's out of sight.

Here's the plan: get the storage unit; $115 a month. put all the comics in there; then clear out the junk in my apartment and then bring the comics back in when I have more room.

I'll post an update in 2 or 3 months and hopefully, the unit will be gone.

by Anonymousreply 155July 27, 2021 4:45 PM

the comics are all mostly Bronze Age; I can get some bucks for them once I start selling.

by Anonymousreply 156July 27, 2021 4:46 PM

[quote]I'll post an update in 2 or 3 months and hopefully, the unit will be gone.

So 2 to 3 years then.

by Anonymousreply 157July 27, 2021 4:49 PM

[quote] I've been putting it off for the very reasons you've all listed; I'll have it forever; I'll never deal with the stuff once it's out of sight.

[quote] Here's the plan: get the storage unit; $115 a month. put all the comics in there; then clear out the junk in my apartment and then bring the comics back in when I have more room.

[quote] I'll post an update in 2 or 3 months and hopefully, the unit will be gone.

You acknowledge all the pitfalls and "hope" that the unit will be "gone" in 2-3 months. I don't understand why you can't clear out junk without putting these comics in storage. Start with a large piece of unused furniture. Boom. There's now space for your comics.

by Anonymousreply 158July 27, 2021 5:21 PM

[quote]the comics are all mostly Bronze Age; I can get some bucks for them once I start selling.

But how are you going to start selling if they're in a storage cubicle?

by Anonymousreply 159July 27, 2021 5:32 PM

all good advice, everyone; I'll skip the unit and continue to work around the stuff I do want to keep and toss the stuff I don't.

thanks!

by Anonymousreply 160July 27, 2021 6:28 PM

The new season of hoarders on netflix features one subject and usually large properties that require many tons of junk removal....

Yes, some of the subjects welcome the help. They all fall back into warped thinking though. It's a disease of the mind. They are not being exploited because they are given help and for the first time, we hear a price being attached to the junk pickup and removal costs--over $100k for one of the properties just to get shit removed so the county doesnt take the house.

by Anonymousreply 161July 28, 2021 7:50 PM

just for variety I'd like to see a smaller scale operation; someone who has clutter and is overwhelmed.

not someone deeply disturbed.

by Anonymousreply 162July 28, 2021 10:50 PM

The UK has a show called "Call the Cleaners" that covers a lot of different situations.

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by Anonymousreply 163July 29, 2021 12:08 AM

[quote]just for variety I'd like to see a smaller scale operation; someone who has clutter and is overwhelmed.

It's been done.

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by Anonymousreply 164July 29, 2021 4:07 AM

R162 see R108

by Anonymousreply 165July 29, 2021 7:23 PM

Corey Chalmers is a closet MAGA idiot.

by Anonymousreply 166July 29, 2021 7:34 PM
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