I think many people diagnosed as bipolar, borderline and other mental disorders are just plain evil.

Is OP posting from the sixteenth century?

Borderlines yes. Bipolar and various other illnesses no.

I agree. Bring back mental institutions.

Borderlines are straight sociopaths

OP is just undiagnosed.

Borderline

Feels like I'm going to lose my mind

The borderlines I know are just downright spiteful and mean.

They aren't evil. Evil is a religious construct. They can't regulate emotions and feelings or lack emotions. Once you understand that you can understand them. I worked within the prison system. They also have a higher than normal drug usage and the drugs if they do use them which are commonly used in conjunction with prescribed drugs fuel the illness.

i think it beomes a badge to be nasty mean and cruel! Lifes to short, no reason to have these people in your life.

Bipolars are spiteful and mean. Passive aggressive to the extreme and just bad mojo being near them.

There’s a diagnosis for evil: Anti-social Personality Disorder. BPD and BAD may not be very lovable, but the bases for the diagnoses are not a person’s volitional, dark qualities. Study the DSM more, OP, or pick up a good case book. Decision trees (from old DSM editions) can also be illuminating. Great topic.

OP forgot her meds.

R11, you described evil . Thank you

Bipolar disorder = genius. We owe a lot to people who have it. Bipolars are responsible for some of the greatest creations known to man-kind. It’s destructive undiagnosed and unmedicated though. They can be the life of the party and then take to their bed. They burn the candle at both ends.

NPD are the fucking psychopaths. People with BPD and Bipolar disorders are usually fucked up because of trauma involving their narcissist parents.

R14, is a bipolar ( evil) in obvious manic phase, which is bringing the darkness to a heightened alert.

R15, borderline feeling attacked .

R17 nope. It’s the truth. Read a book.

Take some responsibility and see your part in things you psychotic CUNT and r18

Borderlines are convinced that they and ONLY they have suffered in life. And their entourage of enablers usually encourage this nonsense.

Huge step backwards. Most people will have to deal with someone in their lives who falls under these categories. Could be a family member, a boss, a neighbor, etc. Recognizing their category actually gives you some tools to figure out how to deal with them (or when to shut them out/move on altogether)

Yes. R21 . Your peace is more important than their harmful craziness.

R19 you’re the psycho. Calling strangers names and flipping out. I think they call that “inappropriate rage”. Maybe you have BPD.

Borderlines like r23, main defense is gas light and projection. This borderline above is offended ( per usual) and lashing out. He’s a bunny boiler .

R24 exactly. So stop projecting.

I wouldn't say they're all evil, but I would say the majority of them are PITAs. My personal view is that if you can't or won't behave yourself, I'll do all I can to avoid dealing with you.

Immunity from what? The vast majority of mentally ill people are not criminals

They cause emotional and psychological trauma by just being them. They are rarely prosecuted in court because they get a pass due to mental illness.

r28 is an idiot

If you are talking about legal immunity, having any of those conditions is not a pass. The legal definition of insanity is quite narrow. While it may vary by jurisdiction, generally it requires being UNABLE to distinguish right from wrong and/or being UNABLE to control your behavior. It is a rare defense. I don’t think a personality disorder would ever get you there. Perhaps an extreme manic episode.

Borderlines and bipolars are considered a form of psychosis .

OP is like -

Both BPD ( borderline) and Bipolar people are destructive and unhealthy to be around.

I think there are a lot of arseholes who will claim they have something like bipolar to justify their behaviour, when they really don't actually have it at all. I have bipolar and I can tell when someone is pretending to have it.

Borderlines are truly sinister .

Wasn’t Judy Garland Borderline? Why is she so beloved? She sounded exhausting.

Due to the shame and stigma, most people with bipolar don't disclose it, so I'm not surprised people think we're all arseholes, given that they're the attention seeking people who bandy it about all the time. Nobody in my life other than my family and my husband know I have it and I would never tell anyone. I take my meds and don't drink/take recreational drugs, so I don't think people realise I have it. I'm pretty sure most people will be around someone with bipolar disorder, but just not realise because we get very good at hiding our illness.

That’s a very mild case you got there you fuckin liar liar 🤥

No, I have bipolar 1 and take heaps of meds to the extent that I can't work because they're exhausting and i feel like I've been hit by a truck.

I just tend to "disappear" from people's lives when I'm sick, to hide my illness. I get the impression that a lot of people do that, but your comment explains why we have to.

Bipolar1 is the psychotic version . You must be immobilized by the drugs. Poor thing . 😞

R39 is trying to manipulate by making people feel sorry for them. I’m sure there are two sides to every story if you asked your family about your behavior.

And r41 is a troll

Whatever R41. I was not trying to make people feel sorry for me at all - just giving some posters information they may be interested in. I don't feel sorry for myself at all - you are dealt the hand you're given and just have to get on with life, no matter what challenges you are faced with. There's no point getting bitter and angry about it. Maybe you can learn something from that.

This is all on you OP!! Not me, oh no! Fuck no, I’ll tell everyone how you are! All on you! Yep, you know it’s true!

bipolar's genetic - it's a chemical imbalance in the brain

The Lord provideth thee uglier asswipes some bipolar folk so that ye too mayest get fucked with vim and vigor...or vinegar.

Nobody else will fuck thee.

Bipolar rages are terrifying

OP, that's what they thought in the 17th-19th Centuries.

[quote]Wasn’t Judy Garland Borderline?

Judy Garland was TEXTBOOK bi-polar. Though many of her fans excuse her behavior by saying, poor thing was used and abused by MGM....her mother put her on pills....she was tired and couldn't work! Boo hoo!

Not Evil. Mentally ILL.

The drugs Judy was initially forced to take cause bipolar symptoms.

People with Borderline, Narcissistic, and Anti-Social Personality traits cause so many problems.

Understatement of the century r51. They are a tornado of wickedness .

I agree with OP.

It's a continuation of the long trend of pathologizing everything - because if it's a disease, they aren't responsible, can't help it, and shouldn't be held accountable.

It's also a continuation of the pill-a-day for everything mentality to fix things the easy way.

The majority of these people are just crappy human beings with poor impulse control and are just plain self-absorbed.

"The majority of these people are just crappy human beings with poor impulse control and are just plain self-absorbed."

And those that aren't in the majority? How can you tell?

Borderlines are sneaky and vindictive. Pretty mendacious too.

Personality disorders are psychological. Schizophrenia and bipolar are physical. Both are genetic; bipolar is in families. Britney Spears is bipolar, so is her father. Another reason for her not to have kids: she can transmit it.

There are genetic markers for schizophrenia. And all first degree family members of a person with schizophrenia carry the markers though the disease might not manifest.

Bipolar can be controlled with medication (usually lithium) but many bipolars like Britney refuse to comply with their medication which suppresses the highs bipolars love as well as the depression which they don't.

Medication for schizophrenia is problematical. While it can prevent hallucinations, It tends to reduce the person to a zombie. And they can wind up with tardive dyskesia.

OP's just a garden variety asshole.

R56 I read the opposite. I don’t know a lot about the differences in Bipolar vs BDP, I googled them. May of the sources I read from claim that Judy Garland, Britney Spears, Marilyn Monroe, Lindsay Lohan and others (I can’t remember) all have BDP. I get the feeling that DLers are biased and want to veer away from BPD when it comes to celebrities they admire or have an affinity for. Judy and Marilyn in particular seem to fit BDP traits.

BPD. Excuse my dyslexia and fat thumbs.

I've always suspected Judy was a borderline.

Have a family member that is not mentally well. Don't know exactly what it is, but it's not good, and clearly (at the time I knew them) were probably not properly diagnosed or medicated. I was one of the last ones in the family to still have a strong connection to them, and everybody warned me, but I didn't really heed those warnings...until the time when that individual just blew up on me, for absolutely no reason at all. It was terrifying. A level of anger and emotion and antagonizing that was unlike anything I ever experienced. They had a level of glee in their eye when doing it too. I got defensive, and fought back, because I didn't really know then what I know now...that this was something most likely regarding mental illness. We had to ask them to leave, and I haven't had contact with that individual since. And to this day, they think everything that went down was my fault. I think it's undiagnosed/unmedicated Bipolar disorder, but it could be something else. I wish that person the best, but I just can't be around that anymore.

Yeah, my ex had serious colitis (we met in a support group as I have recto-colitis) and he actually had some heavy duty steroid treatment early on and was essentially dysfunctional. Shortly thereafter he started having mood swings and rages and depression and anxiety. He was diagnosed as bipolar 2 and was put on a mild drug cocktail. I wouldn't call him evil at all, as I have hardly met a more kind-hearted human being or crazy as he was well aware when he was sick and went to his doctor. He kind of lasts about 1-2 years in a job before he leaves and keeps moving. Part of it was his privileged upbringing and his medical condition. One of the exes who I was able to stay friends with because he's always there for others. He just needs meds or his anxiety and depression mixed with acute panic attacks make him useless. Brilliant at every job he has ever had and smart guy.

R53 = has never known a bi-polar individual

Since i stopped drinking every night to oblivion, i think my depression diagnosis might be upgraded to bipolar. I can't sleep - the last 3 nights i've had no more than 6 hours with melatonin and trazadone help (not both at the same time). I have the most difficult time sleeping and when I do fall into a dream state, experience those annoying hypnogogic jerks that wake me up, or the worst nightmares that cause me to wake myself yelling something.

I never thought i was bipolar, but my mind races when i try to sleep without alcohol or other sleep inducements. which would be now. i ran out of alcohol, i have no melatonin and am not going the trazadone route tonight/today so i fried a sausage and started breakfast even though it's a long time until i'll eat.

wish me a good breakfast when i finally eat it.

[quote]I've always suspected Judy was a borderline.

Let's evaluate: Drug addict, alcoholic, sex addict. Endless stay-up-48-hours energy. Depths of depression. Numerous suicide attempts. Sounds bi-polar to me.

I am bipolar myself (was hospitalized several times in my early 20s but more or less stable now; quitting drinking and drugs helped a lot). I've known a couple of people with (diagnosed by professionals) borderline personality disorder as well.

I hope I'm not evil -- which, as someone pointed out upthread, is a theological construct anyway. I admit I had a poor sense of how my behavior affected others when I was younger (teens to mid-20s), but I think that had more to do with immaturity than mental illness.

I don't think the borderlines I've known were inherently bad people, but they had been through very shitty childhoods. One had exceedingly poor insight into herself. She believed that "having a boyfriend" would solve all her internal turmoil. She also lacked a sense of humor and was a self-mutilator. The other borderline I knew was a homeless crackhead (this was during my wild partying days) who had been diagnosed during a contentious divorce. He was a lifelong drug addict who could also be quite charming, and he didn't come out until late in life (his 50s). He died a couple of years later.

I'd go so far as to say they were both, at heart, good people who were afflicted with a terrible disorder that had ruined their lives and caused massive heartache to those around them.

I don't really have any great insight though. I've lost many years of my life due to depressive episodes. I have many grand ideas when I'm up that never get completed. That, in turn, depresses me. It's a vicious cycle. But a friend once pointed out I get far more accomplished when I'm on the upswing than most people without bipolar disorder, so who knows.

r65 those symptoms could all indicate BPD as well, and she probably stayed up because of amphetamines. Also, she had a great deal of interpersonal conflict in her life, which screams BPD to me.

R67, is the word bi-polar somehow shameful to you? What interpersonal conflict, husband beat her, no rent money? Everyone had a complicated childhood, everyone has issues with their parents and spouses. No reason to go completely nuts.

r68 anyone in the psychiatric community will tell you BPD is a far more stigmatizing diagnosis than bipolar disorder

OP, you sound just like my cunt sister!

Okay, psychiatric community, verify R69's ridiculous claim!

[Quote]Bipolars are spiteful and mean. Passive aggressive to the extreme and just bad mojo being near them.

I will admit, R10, that when I am in a bipolar rage (well, what I can remember) I am extremely spiteful. I'm hurting so badly inside that I want to bring the smug cunts causing me anguish down too. It's not nice, it's not (usually) fair on the recipient but it's also largely out of our control. I know many, like the OP, will call it a cop out but a bipolar rage comes on suddenly. It's terrifying for the person with bipolar too, it's akin to an earthquake erupting out of nowhere - you begin to boil and without warning, you're suddenly spewing angry lava everywhere. Laugh all you will, but if you have it, you know what I'm trying to convey.

r71

A lot of stuff is being smushed togeher.

I have anyone ever use any of these disorders to evade responsibility. However, those with characterological disorders do not even think they are responsible.

I think most people have some sympathy toward mood disorders. And they are treatable. As annoyed as we are by people with bipolar or depression we get that you are doing your best end encourage treatment.

People wilth characteralogical disorders are another matter. They resist treatment and you cannot reach them. Any attempt to make them understand their actions will not work and somehow become your fault, not theirs. As my shrink recommended, do not speak to them without witnesses. I feel sorry for them, but they really are not fit to interact with other humans. The pain and suffering they cause is immense.

Diana was widely believed by the mental health community to have borderline personality issues, as well as a strong strain of narcissistic personality disorder. Was she simply "evil"?

Perhaps you'd like to bring back auto da fes for the purely evil?

They usually do cause grief and difficulty for those who become engaged with them, either willingly or forced to via family ties (Cf. the Windsors and Diana and Meghan and Harry).

But even I wouldn't characterise them as simply evil.

We've seen banal simply evil. This isn't it.

When people start acting out around me I've found that the only thing that really works is to beat them physically senseless into silent submission. You have to speak to these creatures in a language they can understand.

R74 to a certain extent, I agree.

As someone with a developmental disorder, it annoys me when people conflate my challenges with those of a mentally-ill person. It happens too often, because autism/ASD is not addressed correctly by the psych field.

Just because I have a type of autism—only moderate and high-functioning—and that can entail occasional mood dsyregulation or relatively ‘strange’ behaviour, that doesn’t mean I suffer with any kind of psychosis or callous selfishness or lack of empathy as a mentally-ill person would. In fact, autistic people are often overwhelmingly sensitive toward others, to the point that the empathy is crippling.

R58 the best books on bipolar are by Dr. Kay Jamison Redfield, a psychiatrist who is bipolar herself. She's written several books on the connection between bipolar and the arts. Some of the greatest artists and writers were/are bipolar. Not that I consider Britney a great artist.....lol

They’re damaged and not fixable. We had to let our 50 year old brother go because of it. He stole from the family and lied one too many times. We enabled him for 30 years and now he lives under a bridge.

R79, I think what you are doing is part of the problem. You are saying your brother is damages, without specifying what his disorder is.

A mood disorder, the autism spectrum, and a chariteralogical disorder are VERY different. Some can be treated. Others are harder to treat.

Putting them all in the same bucket confuses the issue. It analogous to joining a discussion of cancer, bunyons, and food allergies, saying that you know someone with it and it is a death sentence. Not all physical maladies are fatal--only some are.

Be specific.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OP!!!

R77, oh, my hurting sides 😂 . Empathy is not a trait people associate with autism , quite the opposite. I do know that delusions are prominent in autism as well as lack of awareness .

bipolars can't help they're bipolar, but they can take their meds and seek therapy

R82 the stereotypical high-functioning cases of autism in men can work that way.

For milder more manageable forms of autism such as Asperger’s, and autism in woman, empathy is a noticeable trait—often to the degree that it causes crippling social naïveté.

I know that the anti-autism troll is here, trying to sell us on the idea that autism is a form of sociopathy.

Sure, r84

I'd forgotten about the anti-autism troll, r85. I always assumed it was Matt

R84, this is true. I work in the arts education and a large number of performers are on the spectrum. The disorder gives them the quick responsiveness needed....and their empathy does the rest.

Many high functioning autistics are erroneously diagnosed as borderline. Many similarities. My experience with autistic people is there is a coldness and serious lack of understanding which comes out as lack of empathy. They have a difficult time putting themselves in shoes of others.

Evil is by definition a lack of empathy. Bipolar and borderlines lack empathy in spades. Borderlines especially. Pay attention to their actions, not fake words .

Not evil. Souless.

R89, you seem to think that lacking theory of mind is the same thing as lack of empathy. Autistic people usually either have to work hard to read emotion or simply cannot. And lacking theory of mind it is hard for them to imagine what your perception and thought process is.

But that is not the same thing as lack of empathy. You just have to be embarrassingly explicit with them. They might not recognize when you are sad, but if you say "I am heartbroken because my mother has cancer." they can empathize. But they might not be able to figure out your emotional state unless you explicitly tell them what it is.

A smart friend made his autistic son care for a dog. The kid had to learn to read the dogs emotions and now that he is grown up, he does it with people. But he said, it is like being a detective since he has to work it out.

Exactly r91

Autism is a terrible thing and they are working arduously for a cure , or to detect in womb like DS

R56 that is a simplistic explanation and you have some facts wrong. Even neuroscientists, researchers, and those of us practicing in mental health don’t know the exact etiology of the psychiatric conditions you’d described. While there are indeed genetic components to schizophrenia, bipolar, etc…there are also environmental factors that “switch” on the genetic propensity, such as the use of recreational psychotropics.

I have many patients with schizophrenia who’d experienced first psychotic episodes after taking cannabis, meth, etc…. For vast majority of people thy can snap back after those trips end but for those who are genetically predisposed to mental illness with psychotic components, they’re not as lucky. However, most patients with psychotic disorders weren’t diagnosed because they smoked weed or did other drugs. There are usually gradual signs before a decompensation episode. We tend to see these presentations in older teens to young adults. The ones who are diagnosed early during mid-teens are usually the kids you know there’s something off/ odd about them. Makes tend to be diagnosed younger than females. With women, the onset of schizophrenia can be into the 30s while for males it’s typically mid-teens to 20s. I had a longtime female patient who was diagnosed in her 30s after a string of hospitalizations , she’s in her 70s now. Very well-spoken and nice, we often talked about art. But when you engaged in longer conversations with her you’d know her thought content and auditory hallucinations were unfortunately part of her life.

There are many people with psychotic disorders that are controlled who are living amongst us. You walk past them in supermarkets and you’d never know it. Some of them have family, children, and even hold jobs. Antipsychotic meds have come a long way in managing symptoms so that people can function as members of society. Contrary to popular belief, good symptoms management is not cessation of all symptoms. For instance, I’ll say to my (not real) patient “last time I saw you, you said you were still seeing angels and they talk to you sometimes. But you said you’re able to tune that out by playing music on your phone. How has anything changed or things still the same?” I’ll go deeper into contents of hallucinations from there. Good control of symptoms for example, means ability to understand that visual/ auditory hallucinations are not real/ part of their illness and having ways to deal with them so that they don’t impede on daily life.

As for personality disorders, they’re not as prevalent as people think. Sometimes a shitty person is just a shitty person. People hide behind mental health and psychiatric disorders to excuse bad behavior.

Borderlines scare the bejesus out of me. Bipolars are psychotic.

Um, sorry, R96. Bipolar is not a psychotic disorder.

Psychosis is about misconceiving reality. Bipolar disorder is a mood disorder, meaning that the perception of reality is fine, but the emotional response to it is what is off.

r97 I'm not r96, but bipolar patients in an acute manic episode can experience psychosis

I agree but I think quite a few people are evil not just the “mentally ill” the human race is bad

Right, R98. But they also might not experience psychosis, because that is not the nature of the illness.

Typical DL. Everybody we love is bipolar and everybody we hate is borderline. I don’t agree that Judy was bipolar. She threatened suicide and self harm to manipulate people in her life. So did Princess Diana. That definitely sounds more like borderline.

[quote]But they get full immunity because - mental illness .

This is a complete fabrication. Even as a legal defense, mental illness rarely gets a pass. It's the most stigmatized of all medical issues. Also, talk to anyone with these disorders who's tried to hold a job, Capitalism isn't kind to people who are different or who have unique needs.

This place is so blitheringly stupid and conservative most of the time now. It's so depressing.

Bipolar is classified as a psychosis. Here's a well-known bipolar who was misdiagnosed (postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis, schizophrenia) her whole adult life while her father and brother kept their own disease secret from the numerous psychiatrists who diagnosed her while she was in and out of psych wards for years: Andrea Yates.

This seems to me yet another false paradox or strawman argument. I don't believe I've ever heard a therapist or researcher claim being evil and being mentally unwell were mutually exclusive.

Of course we should have empathy, and aim for greater understanding of those who suffer with these disorders...Such a diagnosis can affect culpability in many areas, but it doesn't deny the fact SOME can indeed be quite evil, and guilty of committing very evil deeds.

For purposes of definition, I subscribe to the theory that the state or quality of being "evil" is very much a process of becoming. One becomes evil through a slippery slope of poor choices (very damaging and hurtful actions towards others) whereby excessive rationalisation, and desensitisation negates both our humanity, as well as our notions of a conscience. Through this process of becoming evil, one is completely more generally desensitised to the suffering of others, and more specifically desensitised to the suffering they themselves cause others.

No Satan, or other mythical boogeyman needed to justify an explanation of evil, or a category of antisocial and inhumane behaviour. It's a most useful and universally understood term.

This is an almost literal attempt to demonize mental illness. F&F OP.

R105 that’s what I was thinking. If you go down the thread it is pretty clear that OP is probably living with antisocial disorder, or some other form of cluster-B. She seems really angry and hateful.

R105 He certainly doesn't very well himself, now does he? Seems he has some rage boner for people struggling with mental issues. Just another childish stirrer really.

I knew a lovely, intelligent guy who was bipolar. I liked him very much, but its true he was exhausting. He finally killed himself which was tragic. So many people loved him.

I don't know what to make of these sad cases. The crazy, violent ones are easier to write off, but the decent ones are heart-breakers.

What a bizarre thread. I have never met anyone who was proud to disclose their mental diagnosis. The stigma from uneducated people, like OP, is very real.

R108 sorry to hear that, what a sad story.

And I can empathise. I had a best friend in my late teens and early twenties who had manic depression/BPD of some kind, and she was the most intelligent and creative and witty and sensitive beautiful soul I’ve met. She was also an annoying headcase who couldn’t stay out of trouble or maintain a functional existence. Last I heard from her, she had been sectioned for a third time, and despite attempts I haven’t been able to reestablish contact (she has dropped off the map and changed details, including her name which she has done a few times in the past). Sometimes I miss her terribly and worry about her, and other times I’m relieved I no longer have to deal with her exhausting mad drama and antics. Everyone else I’ve ever known is boring and 2D by comparison.

At least I'm not old

Evil psychotics are taking umbrage to this thread .

I just wish those who prescribe librium would take a cycle of doses themselves to understand what they are doing.

We have docile zombies walking around who are vulnerable and require protection. They have a delayed reaction to some of the shit people pulled with them, then they throw away their meds, and then rage at everyone for their torment.

r113 = Jamie Spears

Lithium you mean r113.

R114, poorer and trashier and never a legal guardian, Toots, but I've seen people who abused that position.

lithium is a mood stabilizer, not an anti psychotic

Bipolar cunt at r117

How is r117 cunty? So many men here act like they authored the DSM.

R119,/the dinnertime meds haven't kicked in and some are sundowning. Don't take any of this seriously.

R77, you are confusing personality disorders with mental illness. FOH.

Producer/author/director Joshua Logan was prescribed Lithium in the late 1950s for his bipolar disorder. He said in his autobiographies and interviews that it turned his life around. Unfortunately, although he continued to have minor successes on stage and in films, he never again had a major hit.

I know a few people with bipolar, all of them medicated and struggling to get that right. And I can tell you, the one thing they all have in common is that they don't ever wish harm on other people, they only wish harm on themselves because of what a terrible thing it is to live with.

They can certainly be exhausting, as said above. But they have so much love in them too.

Axis I is major mental illness, a disruption of perception. Psychosis. Schizophrenia, bipolar, major depression, etc. Axis II is personality disorders. Neurosis. BPD, NPD, etc. There is a difference.

[quote]Just because I have a type of autism—only moderate and high-functioning—and that can entail occasional mood dsyregulation or relatively ‘strange’ behaviour, that doesn’t mean I suffer with any kind of psychosis or callous selfishness or lack of empathy as a mentally-ill person would. In fact, autistic people are often overwhelmingly sensitive toward others, to the point that the empathy is crippling.

R77, your discriptions of "mentally-ill" people possessing "callous selfishness or lack of empathy" reveal your extreme ignorance and prejudices. You're stigmatizing mental illness just like OP is. Disgusting behavior, and you're truly lacking a great deal of empathy yourself.

I once hired a grad student who looked great on paper. After she started working, everybody discovered that she was a mean bitch. When I tried to give her the 'talk' if she continued to fight with all her colleagues, she'd be fired, she announced she was both bipolar and autistic. Fuck's sake.

Autistics are colossal trouble makers . They get off on it .

Real autistics are not verbal and have low IQs. Fake autistics - Aspergers Syndrome - are just selfish, narcissistic whiners who don't want to have to play by the rules because they are 'special'.

Is the Asperger's troll back?

R128, pretty much

I’m Bipolar. High I.Q. Married 33 years, retired professional with two adult sons both doing well.

I have to admit, it can be a struggle and it takes quite a lot of energy to appear “normal.” I have been on medication since I was a child.

I admit that I enjoy hypomania as I can get lots of things done in a short amount of time. I have to cut it off at the pass to keep it from going overboard.

I don’t consider myself “evil” anymore than I would if I had cancer.

R131, people with cancer are not evil. Its the ones with lupus and diabetes who would slit your throat as much as look at you.

It can be both. In one of the parent threads on here, I told stories about my evil mom and was told that she suffers from BPD. I think that's true, but she is also an awful person.

I had to back away from someone I cared deeply about. She had the worst childhood of anyone I know and I'm sure one or both of her parents were mentally ill. She probably has more than one disorder, PTSD for sure. She has been off her meds for a few years. She became so verbally abusive that I just backed away. I still pay her cable bill but I don't have much to do with her otherwise and neither does anyone else. It's very sad because she really suffers.

Read Kay Jamison Redfield. She tells one story about going to a university tea for her fellow professors when she was off her meds and having a manic episode. She dressed up in a slutty outfit and spent the whole tea sexually assaulting her colleagues.

"full immunity" from what? OP, you're a grade a asshole. You sound more like an entitled self absorbed piece of shit that sulks when your comments, "jokes" and quips go over like a lead balloon and land flat.

I've been diagnosed with depression and severe anxiety several times already. I don't go around touting it like some "VIP Card". I've never asked for preferential treatment. Did it ever occur to some of you that the super extrovert manic part of your personality is actually one of the traits of Bi-polar disorder? Only, you're on the "manic" side 24/7 nonstop. Guess what, you're insanely annoying as well.

R136, a bipolar in. A psychotic state .

R88 - It also serves those in the arts well, particularly actors, because borderlines have a huge capacity for fantasy - they believe their own lies, and this makes them more capable of slipping into roles.

Borderlines are to be avoided at all costs .

[quote]Lifes to short,

So is your spelling.

Women borderlines usually calm down after menopause. There are relatively few male borderlines so I've never read any literature about how BPD progresses over age with men.

R141, male borderlines are far more dangerous.

Bipolar assholes are not healthy to be around. Very toxic and self centered.

I think male borderlines are underdiagnosed and female borderlines are overdiagnosed.

R144, many female ones are actually autistic.

Agree r145

I’m bipolar 2. I’ve been medicated for years. It did take me quite some time to get my medications regulated. I’ve been in the same career for years. It’s extremely stressful but I need the stability otherwise I spin out of control. I’m definitely not mean or an asshole. I’m a very kind generous and loving person who is extremely loyal to my friends and family. My challenge is settling down somewhere permanently. My bipolar has taken me all over the world jumping from city to city. It sounds glamorous but to be honest it’s very lonely. When I was unmedicated the impulsivity and grandiose ideas fueled the desire to pack up and move. The result of this is I have friends all over the place. I’d love to have my support system all in one place but that’s never gonna happen. Although I’m medicated it’s a daily struggle. It’s hard for people to understand that you’ll never be 100% ok. Sorry I know I’m rambling..It’s hard to have relationships with people over the phone sometimes.

I think people who talk about evil are superstitious reactionaries.

R148, borderline feeling attacked

R123 I agree with your statement. I wrote r147. I know were exhausting to be around sometimes. I’m fully aware of it. I feel guilty sometimes for putting people through all my crazy ideas. I don’t want to be a burden ugh.

Me too, r150, which is why I'll most likely always be single. In my 30s, I finally came to accept that I'm best taken in small doses, and that it's unfair to let someone pursue a relationship with me.

The OP is ….character disordered? Plum evil?

r151, I think you should let the other person decide if you are best taken in small doses.

At this point, I am set in my ways and not interested in pursuing relationships r153

I’m nuts. Don’t rile me up.

R138, actually Borderlines as a whole, do not do well in the arts. Being delusional does not help one as a performer.

And because the performing arts are largely a gig economy, one needs to be able to keep booking jobs...and no one wants a delusional actor.

[quote]...and no one wants a delusional actor.

Is there any other kind?

[quote]And because the performing arts are largely a gig economy, one needs to be able to keep booking jobs

Isn't that what an agent does?

Not necessarily evil, but often malicious.

Definitely fucked up.

Malevolent

Cursed

Someone upthread said that clinicians are trying to identify autism before birth, like Down Syndrome. I guess so they can be aborted? I'm not saying this is good or bad, there's no easy answer. I was reading or watching something a few days ago about how autism is becoming more and more common. Is it connected to the fact that we are supporting earlier and earlier pre-term babies who end up surviving? Not saying this is good or bad, but maybe the brain can't develop correctly.

R162 autism has genetic markers. Some autism self-advocates are trying to prevent further research into this because they fear it will eventually be diagnosed in utero and get aborted like fetuses with Down's and other genetic anomalies.

Thinking of unintended consequences, throughout history societies have benefited from having a few autistic people around. Tesla, Jobs, and Einstein seem very likely to have been autistic. Some think Jefferson was. But you get the point. While you would not want a society in which everyone was on the spectrum, it does seem like a good idea to have a few.

R,164, so you advocate selective abortions if and when science will be able to determine the level of disability? You sound quite ableist and delusional.

R164, is unwell.

I used to work with autistic kids. Most of them have severe mental retardation and aren't verbal. Kids with Down's are much higher functioning (and much nicer) than kids with autism. The 'idiot savant' claim is largely a myth.

I’m bipolar and I’m not evil, spiteful, or mean. Ask me anything.

[quote][R138], actually Borderlines as a whole, do not do well in the arts.

Actually, there are lots of successful Borderlines in entertainment, like Pete Davidson. He's overly nice until he gets you locked into a relationship, and then he turns into a psycho. If he feels that you're going to break-up with him, he threatens to kill himself, or starts cutting himself. This is a consistent pattern with him. He's a master of using guilt to control people.

The main characteristic of psychotic and personality disorders is the inability or unwillingness ( due to narcissism) to see their part in anything. R168, is prime example. Borderlines love to feign fault just to manipulate.

Back to my assertion that male borderlines are far more dangerous and deadly .

OP I agree. I think more and more that old terms like evil, fate, drunkard, are better and more useful.

R165, think for a moment you will get my point.

If I am saying that having some autistic people in a society benefits that society and to eliminate them will have unintended consequences, I am arguing AGAINST aborting fetuses because they are likely to grow into autistic adults.

Her body, her choice r173 ! You can not force a woman to take that kind of chance when vast majority of autism is profound mental disability.

Autism is brain damage and not normal!

READ THIS BOOK by Arnhild Lauvneng: «A Road back from Schizophrenia». This clinical psychologist was in and out of mental institutions for years.

«For ten years, Arnhild Lauveng suffered as a schizophrenic, going in and out of the hospital for months or even a year at a time. A Road Back from Schizophrenia gives extraordinary insight into the logic (and life) of a schizophrenic. Lauveng illuminates her loss of identity, her sense of being controlled from the outside, and her relationship to the voices she heard and her sometimes terrifying hallucinations. Painful recollections of moments of humiliation inflicted by thoughtless medical professionals are juxtaposed with Lauveng’s own understanding of how such patients are outwardly irrational and often violent. She paints a surreal world—sometimes full of terror and sometimes of beauty—in which “the Captain” rules her by the rod and the school’s corridors are filled with wolves.

When she was diagnosed with the mental illness, it was emphasized that this was a congenital disease, and that she would have to live with it for the rest of her life. Today, however, she calls herself a “former schizophrenic,” has stopped taking medication for the illness, and currently works as a clinical psychologist. Lauveng, though sometimes critical of mental health care, ultimately attributes her slow journey back to health to the dedicated medical staff who took the time to talk to her and who saw her as a person simply diagnosed with an illness—not the illness incarnate. A powerful memoir for sufferers, their families, and the professionals who care for them.»

R173, is a pro-life troll.

R125 read the thread in its entirety, then tell me about the typical behaviours of mentally-ill. I did not imply at any point that these behaviours were in the purview of their enactors, and I imagine it must be so painful to lack control over one’s damaging actions. I don’t believe enough is done to help and support these people to cope, and that medication & asylum can tend to torturous and unethical. How is that for empathetic?

R128 just...stop talking. You know nothing of what you speak. You cannot explain the life I have had it or the lifelong default personality traits I exhibit without an Asperger’s diagnosis.

It’s clear most of the posters in this thread have serious mental issues. Especially OP. Her response to anybody disagreeing with her is, “borderline feeling attacked”. As if to say of we are not with her then we must be against her.

Watch this. Fascinating.

And this

I started a relationship with an admitted bipolar. A few years later, he stopped taking his meds. After reading so much material, I think he’s really borderline but the bipolar meds helped mask it. I don’t sign up for borderline and wish he’d just leave or even just fucking die. I know it will be explosive when I say get the fuck out. I’ve only held on this long because I know he’ll do his best to embarrass me professionally in the small town where I ‘m known to a large percentage of the population.

^^^on top of that, he thinks he’s a “targeted individual” by the left because he’s a trumper. He’s also being attacked by frequencies. Whenever he leaves, I hope he disappears as he says he will someday.

R183,prepare for possible violence when you kick toxic to curb. Have friends when you do it. Tell the police about him too . I wish you all the luck in world . You’re life will be so much better without him.

You wish your partner “would just fucking die” but they are the crazy one. Ok. Have fun cosplaying Sleeping with the Enemy.

R185, borderlines deserve it!!

Not plain evil, but very self-centered.

Are there meds for BPD and NPD? And are these hereditary? An elderly family member married someone with this. It's been nightmare.

I know someone with BPD..........they have their moments......like venting rage.....their emotions are intense and overwhelming at times...........but for the most part ........is a good person

As far as drugs are concerned.....people with a lot of internal pain seek out drugs to live a happy life.

They deserve compassion ..not shaming

I started a relationship with an admitted bipolar

you signed up for it hun, you make your bed....

BOrderlines are vengeful and mendacious.

Is there such thing as an ellipsis disorder?

(r189, I'm looking at you!)

R192

I love you too.

R188, it seems hereditary to me. I have several extended family members who are all bipolar and alcoholic, in a straight line.

They traced their family on Ancestry and then it became apparent what happened. An alcoholic married a bipolar and a bunch of the grandkids are one or the other, or both. They have some extended family that only share one common relative, those people seem a lot more stable, although some have issues too.

After researching more about the alcoholic, I wonder if they were also bipolar but undiagnosed. They were very unstable.

Here’s the breakdown: alcoholic parent + bipolar parent

Child 1: alcoholic, unknown kids

Child 2: alcoholic and mental illness parents, all grandkids one or the other or both

Child 3, alcoholic parent, one different stable parent: stable kids and grandkids

Child four: mentally ill parent, one different stable parent, mild mental illness but functional, healthy kids

Child five: mentally ill parent, one different stable parent: mild mental illness, no kids

That’s got to be a much higher percentage of health issues than average.

I watched a YouTube channel called living well with schizophrenia and in it the host explains that schizophrenia is also a fiscal disease in which the fiscal brain is also affected like parkinson and dementia. I could cry 😢😭😪 in sadness if it wasn't for my meds blocking my emotions

We have a guy in my building that is autistic, has a college degree, works part time in a handicapped person job and is the rudest fucking person I have ever met. I know I should feel bad for him but frankly cannot stand the bastard.

R194, then not guilty due to heredity.

R196, he has no empathy coupled with rage .

r194 bipolar is hereditary- that was established many years ago - the reason many bipolars decide not to have children

I’m bipolar. So was my grandfather. My cousin is too.

Bipolars are crazy

I’m pissed off. I hear those fucking squirrels running across my roof! One of those bastards will be inside my house before long.

R194, R188 was asking if BPD and NBP are hereditary, not bipolar disorder.

Cluster B personality disorders like NPD and BPD are NOT the same thing as mental illnesses like bipolar. They cannot be treated with meds.

Many posters on this thread would do well to learn the difference between these disorders.

I work on my college's faculty with someone with severe emotional problems, and most of us in her department suspect she has BPD. I don't think she's genuinely evil, but we all hate working with her because she's an aggressive monster who makes every meeting about herself and lashes out against everyone. But she's tenured so we can't get rid of her.

Her constant complaint the last ten years is that our department is isolating, but the real truth of the matter is that she's so alienating we all avoid hanging out with her because when we have tried to be nice to her in the past she has bitten us all in the ass for it.

She's miserable--her husband divorced her, and her children have all fled from her (one even moved out of the country when she turned eighteen, we suspect mostly to get away from her).

Academia attracts the crazies by the bucketful.

Especially narcissists r205

Was borderline personality disorder a hot topic in the 70s-80s? I’m wondering why so many here throw around “BPD” and pretend to be experts when I’ve never heard anyone use it in real life or on tv.

so what you’re saying is that mental illness isn’t real?

Y’all are so weird for agreeing with this post

From what I have been reading, BPD isn’t even what a lot of you are alleging it to be. It is an emotional disorder, that can sometimes have overlapping mental illness. There are four types of BPD and not everyone who is diagnosed with it acts the same way.

DL has been obsessed with borderlines for as long as I can remember.

It would be so useful to have a secret litmus test you could do on meeting someone for the first time, to know if they are personality-disordered or emotionally-unstable. It would save a lot of heartache and drama and toxicity.

That, or bring back asylums. I’m serious. In many cases it is more compassionate to take these people out of society and all its stress and expectation with which they cannot cope, as well as keep them away from others without these challenges. A lot of damage was done and a great deal of burden was dropped onto individuals and families when permanent sectioning was stopped. Maybe someone can implement a future model of sheltered care less torturous than the old stereotypical Nurse Ratchet one.

R212 learn English and then come back to us with a response.

“More compassionate to take these people out of society” and lock them up in asylums! You sound like a villain in a Disney movie.

I'm somewhat glad I am not a teenager and have my whole life in front of me. The amount of psycho meds that a large number of people are taking will have a huge impact on future generations, insofar that everybody's mind is pickled with a cocktail of drugs that prevents them from thinking clearly and rationally.

My boss was Borderline. I didn't know it at first. In the beginning I was like her angle, she even said she wanted to put me in her will. Later on I was the devil. Literally she would say things like that. Hot/Cold on a dime. And she was like that with almost everyone except her grifty life coach.

You people seem to be describing a lot of un-diagnosed and un-medicated people. of course these people then are gonna make some of you go trough hell. I know a few people that are un-diagnosed and are like the devil incarnate and turn on and off on a dime. With the proper medication and lots of therapy progress can be made with these people if they are willing to put in the effort.

Stigmatizing and discriminating people with mental health problems doesn't add anything and encourages the individual to eschew treatment because then they end up believing that they are fine and don't need treatment.

I noticed that a lot of the people here on the Data Lounge who bully people they call "crazy", bi-polar, borderline etc are themselves not that stable and could really use help dealing with their mental health issues.

R216 my last boss was the same way. She ensnared me at a very vulnerable point in my life, lovebombed me and gave me a lot of things I wanted, then turned on me when I confronted her about her business ethics. I was so naive, and unfortunately gave her a pass for too long out of pity and out of a misplaced sense of female solidarity (beware of that, it can bite you). I walked, went no-contact and sued, and it was the best thing I’ve done for myself in a decade.

R217- borderline fuming .

The National Education Alliance for Borderline Personality Disorder refers to it as both BPD and borderline personality disorder, and you can read about it the link, @207. If it's good for them, it's good for me. Plus, it's easier to type.

Back to my elderly mother's borderline husband who impedes her care at every turn.

Borderlines are sympathy seekers and manipulators. I’ve seen some ruthless bipolars too.

R216, she was diagnosed by a professional?

I thought BPD wasn’t a thing anymore. They were instead diagnosing multiple factors rather than using a one size fits all blanket term.

r223 I read a theory once (can't link because I forget where) that posited BPD was a sub-type of bipolar disorder.

Ultimately, all mental health diagnoses are social constructs anyway.

It would be interesting to have a time machine to see how the same symptoms are classified and treated in, say, 250 years.

[quote] I read a theory once (can't link because I forget where) that posited BPD was a sub-type of bipolar disorder.

BPD is a personality disorder, bipolar is a mental illness that has a brain chemistry component to it. I don't think they are sub-types.

Classic dichotomy, OP. Sick vs bad. The decision says as much about the decider as it does about the subject.

There may be an organic component to BPD symptoms as well, r225. Iirc, that was their theory.

The three bipolar people that I know are actually very good-hearted (though at times self-absorbed). They can be very exhausting, though.

r216, I think you meant 'angel,' yes?

I'm seeing this spelling error a lot lately, and it's making my teeth itch.

You have no idea what you are talking about R215. The drugs can help people think clearly and rationally again. Are you a Scientologist?

[quote]You people seem to be describing a lot of un-diagnosed and un-medicated people. of course these people then are gonna make some of you go trough hell. I know a few people that are un-diagnosed and are like the devil incarnate and turn on and off on a dime. With the proper medication and lots of therapy progress can be made with these people if they are willing to put in the effort.

[quote]Was diagnosed by a professional?

Oh yes, big time. She was on about a dozen meds, met with very expensive psychiatrist every week for 2 decades apparently. Of coarse it's not like she told me that during the interview, it's shit I find out after I was stuck there and had left my other job. She tried every psyc drug out there nothing worked according to her. I think she enjoyed the high she got from some of those. High levels of depression, narcissism and suicidal ideation for good measure. Was hard to feel sorry for her, she had so much going for her both in terms of looks, wealth, healthy that other woman her age could only dream of. Still a miserable bitch half the time. On other days, a dream fruit fly, loved gay men.

R215- the right meds make it so we DO think clearly and rationally. You’ve got it backwards.

Jodi Arias is a borderline

Crazy people generally have no real principles. They just love to stir the pot.

Their suicidal / violent threats are almost invariably manipulation . They absolutely don’t care about anyone but themselves.

I’m not letting go of my assertion. They are wicked to their core.

R176 that sounds really fascinating. I think I will check it out.

Never get in a relationship with one !

Avoid all psychotic people.

I am trying to close on my deceased mom/step-father's house with the step-sister, who is likely BPD. It's like being strapped to a bomb. When she gets wound up, attempts to pacify her on seem to further enrage her rather than calm her down.

Scary! Video the times you are with her. They are prone to mendacious lies.

[quote]Their suicidal / violent threats are almost invariably manipulation

If this were true, then they would rarely commit suicide. But suicide rates among people with both bipolar disorder and BPD are much higher than the general population.

My uncle was bipolar (or manic depressive, which somehow seems like a better description); in a strange way, I think his mania is what enabled him to thrive up to a certain point in a high pressure job in the military, but once his promotion called for a different set of skills, he washed out & eventually retired. He consistently medicated with alcohol & though he wasn't a bad guy, he made life for his wife & kids very difficult and he died relatively young. I didn't know him well, but he always seems like a tragic figure: someone who wanted to do the right things, but just couldn't get him sorted enough to actually do them. So I do feel pity for bipolar people but also feel compassion for the people trying to deal with them as it's not easy

Borderlines are cruel and cunning. I never met a bipolar that didn’t have passive aggressive rage .

Yeah, the average life span of someone with bipolar is 50-65 years and that's natural deaths, not skewed by suicides. So that's not so great. I think the meds just fuck you up big time and if you have bipolar 1, you're pretty much screwed. I just try not to think about it and try and have a good, stable life. Pointless bitchery at DL helps.

Sounds dreadful r245

The diagnosed bipolar people I know are fully functioning and funny people. Highly productive. However, you will notice them sort of retreat from time to time. Other than that it seems that everyone who has any exposure to bipolar disorder, it's always the worst case scenario - someone strapped to a bed and shit. There are a ton of bipolar people who function just fine while on meds. It's true that some go off the meds but quite honestly that's in part a product of the horrible mental health treatment in America. You can't have a person who's bipolar seeing an ongoing therapist and then a psychiatrist once a month for a 15 minute med check. They need to be with a psychiatrist full time. The behavior can change and 15 minutes isn't enough to witness it. Many psychologists are equipped to pick up on it and when they do they can't fully explain it to the psychiatrist. Psychiatrists need to witness it themselves. Insurances only want to pay for a psychologist and a 15 minute psychiatrist. It's criminal. And then the poor individual goes off and does something destructive and they wonder why. Bipolars get every side effect known to man and no one knows why. So they need to be followed by a psychiatrist carefully. People go off meds because they get side effects and they have no one to turn to talk about it or explain it to them.

r243 interesting observations. I'm an academic, and in some ways, I'd say being a manic depressive gives me a certain "edge" in the profession.

Bipolars are toxic people

Actually the assholes on this thread, R249 included, are more toxic than anyone with a diagnosis.

R250 is borderline offended

They're not assholes, r250, they're trolls.

Punch and delete!!

Borderlines are prone to irrational rages like r252

R253 Why would anyone get mad about being called a toxic sociopath to be avoided at all costs? Moron.

Borderlines are toxic sociopaths. Very covert about it too

It seems the only ones who are very toxic are the ones with personality disorders like borderline, histrionic, narcissistic and antisocial. Mood, developmental or anxiety disorders like bipolar, ADHD, major depression, autism and social anxiety seem more self-harming and misunderstood. Schizophrenia is just horrifying and heartbreaking.

Bipolars are toxic and mean fucks

I’m bipolar and I’m not toxic or mean.

I spoke about bipolar disorder at the UN if you’re interested.

My dads second wife has BPD and it makes her demonic. It’s completely different from bipolar, she is actually an evil person. She tormented my dad so much, he suddenly died of a heart attack one day when she was being especially difficult. I try to pretend that she just doesn’t exist, the reality of her is too much to acknowledge and there’s never going to be a upside to knowing her.

So sorry r260, they are demonic , exceedingly cruel

90% of the 'borderlines' described in this thread don't even sound like they have BPD.

R262, borderline offended and threatened