India

Well they have made progress. I don't really know, maybe China's authoritarianism is better for growth. Anyway, I'd rather see India than China.

Yes.

Wow what a great thread for DL. I'll contribute after after I finish my pithy but insightful posts to "How do I fry a hamburger?" and "How to make ice tea" threads.

Actually, I think it's an interesting question. I don't know the answer and I also don't know if economic growth or prosperity should be the sole measure of a society's success.

[quote] I also don't know if economic growth or prosperity should be the sole measure of a society's success.

I think we can agree that proper sanitation and not having to shit in a ditch and wipe with leaves or your hand is a step forward.

The western democracies didn't become economic powerhouses overnight. It took a couple of centuries. There was massive poverty in the U.S. at the beginning of the 20th century, even before the Depression.

I spent 6 months in India in 1980. There was no infrastructure for anything -- phone, electricity, plumbing, etc. And there was no industry to pay for it. Plus, a huge part of the population was illiterate. The tech industry has been a huge boon to India, and I've been told they have made enormous progress even in the past few decades.

I doubt that the average Indian is worse off than the average person living in China.

[quote]Did the British influence keep them from progressing?

It's the only reason they have progressed. They're WAY too religious and religion hampers development.

India, like the Middle East, like Africa, the Philippines, etc., was drawn up by colonial powers from a patchwork of tribes speaking different languages, adhering to different customs, many competing, fighting for the same resources, land, religious influence, etc. It has taken decades, centuries to build a united India, and not always successfully because factionalism continues to exist, which derails a united goal towards progress.

R7, whatever else they did, the British gave Indians the great gift of the English language. There would be no tech boom if all educated Indians weren't able to speak English at least fairly well, while the upper-middle and upper classes are entirely fluent and thus able to deal with people all over the world with no linguistic impediment.

An interesting question is why the Philippines, where English is also universal among the educated classes (thanks to Yanks, not Brits this time), has not seen the level of advancement that India has achieved in the last few decades.

Too goddamn many people.

R9, Post-war Philippines was well on its way to economic prosperity. It was 2nd only to Japan among the East Asian nations in GDP. However, other nations like Singapore and Taiwan began to rise and surpass the Philippines under Ferdinand Marcos' regime. Then in 1972, under the guise of a Communist threat from the East and a Muslim threat from the South, Marcos declared martial law, ruled for the next 14 years, and the economy collapsed while the Marcoses and their cronies looted the treasury and spent the people's money on extravagant vanity projects and tributes to self. A disciplined, democratic society descended into one where corruption, graft, and bribery became the norm. After four decades, these have become hard habits to break.

Unbelievable levels of bureaucracy for the most mundane tasks. Tons of corruption. Classism on a level that is unimaginable. Regional and religious conflicts. Over population. Superstition. Lack of rights or equality for women.

Countries thrive only when there is a large middle class, which requires some focus on the average citizen and making their lives better. India's middle class is growing, but it's still small.

60% of Indians live in poverty as defined by the World Bank - less than $3/day. The top 1% in India owns 58% of the wealth - which is extremely unbalanced even compared to the US, where the top 1% own 37%. Again - this goes back to extreme classism and that poor people should stay poor as that was their lot in life and needed to repay for things they did wrong in previous lives.

R12 - 75% of Indians live in villages and typically still do hard labor. 35% are illiterate.

And besides everything I stated in my above posts, people will still point to England and other European colonizers as the reason they're in this state still. It gives the wealthy and powerful a way of dismissing the problems and blaming it on someone else instead of looking at each other.

[quote]Nearly 55% of the Indian population is expected to join the ranks of the middle class. In fact, because India's demographics are much younger compared to China and the US, India's middle class could be the largest in the world (in terms of numbers of people) by 2025

Just like Yugoslavia it shouldn't be a country after WW2. Tamils in the south shared no similarities whatsoever with the Sikh in Punjab nor the Christians in Nagaland and Mizoram with the HIndu-nationalist government in Delhi.. How do you even govern a country with a 22 official languages ?

It should be an autonomous federation like the EU.

The whole place reeks of stale excrement and fresh feces.

The smell is overpowering. It's an organic smell.

You can discern what the person ate for dinner on the previous day.

Shithole Indians and their duplicitous culture and deplorable caste system.

My inner woketard is screaming out in a knee jerk response that I'm surprised hasn't yet been posted. Actually, I don't have an inner woketard, nor should any healthy developed personality. It should disintegrate like baby teeth. Some, however, cling to it.

But I reckon the woketard reply to the question would be, "Systematic oppression of a native population to thrive, show acts of authentic compassion one at a time, being crippled with genetic pain by their oppressors, and their children not being given royal titles that don't contain the Indian word for 'dumb.'"

r15 wins! Most nuanced, least cunty answer by far. My undergrad was in anthropology, so I enjoy reading insightful posts.

I've spent a lot of time in India; I've been there many times in real life. It smells like fire.

Your question will soon be answered OP. A billion are headed in your way.

They bathe in a river that has dead bodies and human shit floating around in it. You do the math.

[quote] Why has India never been able to pull themselves up to first world status?

Because those with means get the hell out and move to the first world.

R23 - well, I wouldn't put it THAT way - many would like to stay if things were better.

But 'brain drain' is a real thing. They have lost quite a lot of their doctors, engineers, IT to immigration.

Yes, a lot of smart, talented STEM-industry Indians move to Europe and North America, but I don't think the country is lacking for doctors, engineers or IT professionals.

Since winning liberation after WWII, their leadership has decided that acquiring nuclear weapons were more important than acquiring indoor plumbing.

[quote] My inner woketard is screaming out in a knee jerk response that I'm surprised hasn't yet been posted. Actually, I don't have an inner woketard, nor should any healthy developed personality. It should disintegrate like baby teeth. Some, however, cling to it.

[quote] But I reckon the woketard reply to the question would be, "Systematic oppression of a native population to thrive, show acts of authentic compassion one at a time, being crippled with genetic pain by their oppressors, and their children not being given royal titles that don't contain the Indian word for 'dumb.'"

Ironic that you complain about the ‘woke,’ yet you’re the only one to actually post all that drivel. You should be very proud.

They are, as a society, unwilling to change. It will never progress as long as that mindset exists.

The British Empire was broken up much too hastily because of The Marshall Plan, I think India would be radically different if the withdrawal had been more phased over a longer period of time.

r26 India needed nuclear weapons to protect itself from Pakistan, China, its archenemies which possess nuclear weapons. India fought wars with almost all of its neighbors. Pakistan, China, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka (Tamils-Sinhalese issue). It's like Israel in that all its neighbors want to see it suffer. No wonder it needed to invest a lot in military and security. That's no excuse for its lack of development . It's a miracle that India which have people with vastly different ethnicities, languages, races, cultures, religions is still able to survive as one country without breaking up. There is a lot of ignorance in this thread.

Can’t build big in India. If you try, this happens.

[quote] I doubt that the average Indian is worse off than the average person living in China.

R6… come on.

R28 - Right - cuz it's not like there was no pressure for Indian independence. Remember a man named Mahatma Gandhi? His efforts was a culmination of an almost 90 year effort that started far before him.

There's no right answer for England's departure. England was bankrupt after WW2 - it didn't have the time, political will or frankly money to keep it going for many years more. And they weren't wanted in India anymore - Independence was in the air no matter what.

Overpopulated and IQ disparity.

Too many Indians refuse to take the poo to the loo.

[quote] India needed nuclear weapons to protect itself from Pakistan, China, its archenemies which possess nuclear weapons.

Made them ever so much safer, didn’t it? Just like the USA:!trillions on the military while the country rIt’s from within. Spend a little of that military budget on COVID vaccines.

They need charitable organizations there handing out birth control. Their main problem is astronomical overpopulation. And it's so fucking hot. How does one have any will to live if they don't have air conditioning? And how do they not understand basic hygiene? Or want to achieve it?

The Caste system

Imagine how much more interesting the modern world would be if it wasn’t for European expansion? There would be so many distinctly separate cultures and traditions and countries, more varied language, types of societies etc.

R38 - don't think that Europeans were the only ones who colonized - far from it. That's a very "blame it all on Europeans" approach - and it just doesn't work.

You act like everyone else would have lived in harmony and other countries wouldn't have invaded and colonized each other - which is exactly what has happened for thousands of years.

R32 It could have been tidier and saved a few million lives if it had been done even slightly slower.

Nobody other than the US wanted it done at that speed.

R39 ok entire continent of SA & CA speaking either Spanish or Portuguese as their first languages lol.

Look at Europe, small size, lots of independent nations, most speaking their own languages, with their own individual cultures - it would be nice if some of the other continents had been left alone to keep those traditions of their own.

R40 - huh? Link please to what you're talking about re America's involvement?

1 billion people

The cities have actually improved immensely over the last few decades. Globalization really helped India get better.

Most people still live in villages, however.

It’s hard for any hot country to gain first world status.

Those countries are constantly fighting tropical diseases of all sorts. The water is always terrible and needs to be purified. The heat makes people slower and tired easily.

They’re too preoccupied gang banging and slaying women.

R42 The main condition of The Marshall Plan for UK aid post WWII was Indian independence ASAP.

That caused the speed and carnage in the Indian Subcontinent, The UK would have starved without the funds.

The Partition of India is the biggest regret of The British Empire.

Don't tell me that you're commenting on this thread without at least that basic knowledge?

R47 girl there is no empire. Best thing that ever happened to any country is the brits being shown the door.

Thank you, India..

R47 - the Atlantic Charter was agreed to in 1941, which laid out plans for decolonization - with the understanding that neither America nor UK would take any territories after the war and that all people will have the choice of self-governing.

Don't act like it was all America's doing - it was agreed to before hand, and India was just one of the pieces.

And R47 - you're telling me that the UK or the US would have stopped the Muslim-Hindu bloodshed?

Total bullshit and once again finger pointing to other countries for their own problems.

And Nixon was just fine with 6-10 million refugees coming into India from Bangladesh when Pakistan attacked Bangladesh (East Pakistan at the time).

Indira Gandhi kept asking Nixon and Kissinger to intervene as The US was a Pakistan ally. Nixon, however, used the Pakistan Prime Minister as a go-between in negotiations with China, so refused to tell Pakistan to stop the attack.

There is little reporting of any Hindu-Muslim conflict in India prior to the arrival of the Brits.

Britain did what it did to all countries it subjugated—divide and conquer

They're in the news every day. If it's not an anaconda eating a child, it's a great grandma giving birth to triplets. I guess with a billion people, a lot of shit goes down.

What r8 said. They were the leader of the non aligned movement after WWII but it didn't really work out.

India is only 74 years old as a modern Republic,

The US. certainly wasn’t anywhere near first world status at age 74.

The partition of India prior to independence was ridiculous and the parts were determined by a Brit who had never actually visited India. He just looked at a map and decided.

R53 - that's bullshit - yes there WAS a history of conflict, way before the English arrived. That theory has been dismissed as just wanting to blame everything on England.

Did you just pull that out of your ass?

Curry.

The Brits destroyed India’s textile industry and then forced them to provide raw materials which brought India little return. They worsened an already bad caste system by simply inserting themselves on top. They developed almost nothing in the Raj to benefit the great masses of Indian society. The British Empire was like a plague of locusts robbing non-industrialized nations, destroying their economies and governments. They created states based upon their needs and could care less about putting opposing ethnic groups into the same State. The British were the next to worst colonial power. The Belgian Congo was the absolute worst.

The plague, the leprosy, the bloated cadavers floating by people drinking from and bathing in the Ganges, the horrific food....shall I keep going?

Too

Many

People.

R60 - so when did colonialization help the colonized as much as the colonizers? And the Spanish were worse than the English by far.

Some of your statements are just hyperbole - 'destroying their economies and government' - as if there were centralized, developed economies and governments already in place.

No one likes to be invaded - but it has happened throughout history time and time again. It's always easy to paint this fictionalized account of how great places were before Europeans came - as if they were all peace-loving and equitable and lives were so AWESOME before the European devils arrived.

Unfortunately, that just is not true. And there were some benefits from European colonization. It was a mixed bag, like anything.

The western world enjoys eating their sacred god too much.

R49 could not find a better quality video but tells you the story…

[Quote] that's bullshit - yes there WAS a history of conflict, way before the English arrived. That theory has been dismissed as just wanting to blame everything on England.

No, there was very little history of conflict between the two religions prior to Britain’s arrivals. Tons have been written about this. Educate yourself

[Quote] The western world enjoys eating their sacred god too much.

And the western world gets penalized with heart attacks and strokes

Britain encouraged the partition because it knew it would weaken the subcontinent

R66 Sure, Jan.

The partition of East Pakistan and West Pakistan was especially ridiculous.

Thanks R69 - I did a quick search and there were several credible sources besides Wikipedia to discount what R66 said, but I didn't want to bother.

The 'educate yourself' types are the worst informed people on the internet.

Some fascinating discussion here, but back to the burning question. WHY THE PUBLIC SHITTING? Is this prevalent in other countries? My uncle traveled all over the world, nothing really shocked him, but he could never understand the casual "drop trou", essentially right where you stand, to take a shit the moment the urge strikes. He saw this in all of India and most of China. Why? Especially given these countries have at least a functional knowledge of the importance of hygiene. It's like they know, but don't give a fuck. How hard is it to build public latrines at the very least?

Can someone please explain this who's been there, or, even better, lived there for a period of time? My uncle popped his clogs so I can't ask him, and he didn't understand it himself.

Democracy is quite robust. Civil society is vocal and has some sway.

It makes building huge infrastructure projects almost impossible. It makes doing business at scale almost impossible.

Very good piece explaining things. From November 2020.

Half of India's women are illiterate and only 25% are employed. Economies always do better with educated and employed women.

Imagine the lives of the children of these mothers, who are the primary caretakers. I'm not saying that you can't be intelligent in other ways - but what a barrier to overcome.

How are you supposed to disseminate information to people? Through film or spoken word? This is what causes superstition to take hold. And a lot of abuse - what can these women do?

Oh and let's not talk about rape in India - that shit is all levels of crazy.

105 vs. 82

.....

R77 - the sources on that need to be checked. Britain only formerly ruled India from 1858 to 1947 - 90 years. They also put in a lot of money into India, building an extensive railroad, government, port and communications infrastructure worth hundreds of billions.

Look - the British did some dirty shit in India - particularly the Bengal famine under Churchill. But they weren't 100% evil.

There's a phrase that nationalism is built on shame - overcoming an enemy, etc. There's only so much you can blame England for - but you have to start looking around at yourselves and ask what's going on NOW.

India is 74 years post-England rule, close to the same amount of time that England formally ruled India.

The people of Indonesia are like those in India.

They excrete in the streets. They relieve their bowels in the rivers. They defecate in the doorways. They empty their intestines at the Taj Mahal. They vacate themselves behind vans. They go ca-ca behind cow-cows.

Over population is the main problem

They are using the money from the trans gender clinics. No joke.

[quote] Look - the British did some dirty shit in India -

But, R78, they knew how to do it in the areas especially set aside for such purposes.

They didn't excrete in the streets. They didn't relieve their bowels in the rivers. Nor did they defecate in doorways. There was no emptying of intestines at the Taj Mahal. They forbade the vacation behind vans. And no ca-ca behind cow-cows.

R72 notions about hygiene and manners are historically fairly new to the West. While the Romans did have public latrines, shitting was very social and there was no privacy or gender segregation except maybe for the very wealthy. Farting, belching and burping were all welcomed at the dining table into the Early Modern period if I recall. People often brushed their teeth with urine and clothes were “washed” in urine (from public pisspots). As late as the Depression era most Americans rarely bathed: one a week on Sat night before Church was pretty typical. Some folks went months and years without a full bath. I suspect that in India, traditional notions of excreting perhaps hold sway amongst the poor and less educated classes just as here in the US Deplorables are known to urinate in odd places-especially when drunk.

Oh, R83. Are the unhygienic US Deplorables dying off as quickly as the unhygienic Indians?

India-- So innovative!

The healing powers of The Holy Cow God!

India is filthy. India is backwood. India has extended weird freak's living there.

extremely*^

Same as South America.

This video alone will answer OP question. Try not watch when you're eating.

Do the needful India and kindly adjust!

R69, the reason why that Wiki page is laughably inaccurate is that it lists every conflict that occurred when Muslim invaders came to conquer parts if India as a Hindu-Muslim conflict.

Most were conqueror-native conflicts that had little to do with religion and much to do with outside aggressors trying to overtake a country and people in that country resisting.

R69, interesting how that list ends in 1205.

So there were no significant Muslim/Hindu clashes again until the Brits came in the 1850's. That points to Brits inciting a rivalry.

[quote] Same as South America.

Hot countries can only develop so far because of the heat, poor water quality, and infection rates.

Northern countries don't have to deal with all that.

"In a new research project carried out jointly with Roberto Foa at the University of Melbourne, we critique this rather truncated and romanticised view of the origins of Hindu-Muslim conflict. Using a new historical dataset of religious violence, we argue that the construction of religious identities and the origins of religious conflict in India are not colonial but precolonial processes, dating especially to the 17th-century battles between Aurangzeb and Shivaji."

[quote] Why has India never been able to pull themselves up to first world status?

This is just like those stupid thread always started asking why X obscure star never made it to the big leagures, or why Y hasbeen has their career in the shitter.

So I'll give the same invariable answer:

They just didn't have IT.

Next question.

Sexy guys.

Hotness 💦

The cutest guys live in India.

[quote]just as here in the US Deplorables are known to urinate in odd places-especially when drunk.

Oh yeah, that's exactly the same.

TIL (from some of the comments in this thread) that everything wrong with India is the fault of the British first and the Americans second. Indians had nothing to do with it.

Let’s be real. Most are ugly. .01% of their people are super hot but most look like what the maid cleans out of the shower drain.

KARMA!!!

I think they enjoy shitting in the streets

This Datalounger would feel at home in India

Be patient. Mayor Garcetti will be there soon. He will fix India like he fixed LA.

[quote] What holds them back?

Poor access to birth control. If you don't have that, you'll never be a first world country

They're also barbaric people. America was more advanced when the Pilgrims came over from the Mayflower. Indians act like it's the 13th century

[quote] Indians act like it's the 13th century

Which Indians are you talking about?

Hotties

India isn’t free yet.

R108 That woman doesn't sound impartial at all.

So many hot guys. I’m going to go hump my body pillow. My loins are feeling that pressure-itch-burn.

How’s gay life over there?

R101, are you sure?

Why don’t they wear deodorant serious question. The ones who live in North America at least don’t seem to understand it’s importance.

R108's video is unsubstantiated and overblown. The industrial revolution in UK was preceded and made possible by the Agricultural Revolution of the 17th and 18th centuries.

Plus there were large technological advancements and COAL and a huge maritime and trading network to sell products.

Yes, profits were extracted from India as well as ALL of their colonies, but to say it was all on the backs of India is absurd.

What's stopping India from making their people literate NOW? Health care? Clean water? They have the means to do so, but so much of the money is tied up in the 1% that nothing happens.

India has the 3rd highest number of billionaires behind US and China. That's not counting the centi-millionaires or even those with over $10 million in assets.

But sure - blame England for their 90 year rule over 100 years ago.

It's always fun to pretend a century of stripping a country of its great resources and money has no effect on the country today.

India, as a democratic country is only about 70 years ago. It's pretty amazing how far it has really come.

It has more to go but what country was doing amazingly well 70 years after independence? Certainly not the US.

R117 - no stupid - no one is saying that the British didn't extract from its colonies. It's fun to pretend all of India's problems are because of the British.

The resources the English took - tea, jute, rubber, textiles - these are all agricultural crops and industries. The crops are still there - so why weren't they capitalized on after Independence?

[Quote] It's fun to pretend all of India's problems are because of the British.

Who pretends that? No one

Partition and its aftermath were part of an unfortunate trend that saw ethnic cleansing happen in areas where people from different religions, ethnic and national groups had lived in close proximity, if not always, harmony, for centuries.

Eastern Europe, India and, more recently, the Middle East were all far less mono-ethnic than they are today.

It's that whole nation-state thing.

R119, the British destroyed much of Indian industry. It took raw materials from Indian (including cotton) and resold it back to India as loomed products.

According to the article attached:

“At the beginning of the 18th century, India's share of the world economy was 23 percent, as large as all of Europe put together, but by the time the British were kicked out of India in 1947, it had dropped to less than 4 percent, according to the BBCl

There’s a psychological component to being a colony, always less than, that takes generations to recover from.

India’s population is just too large for its current economy to handle well

As unfocused and undisciplined as Westerners but lacking the human capital to justify high wages.

Vice addresses the $45 trillion.

[quote] Vice

R126 Do you think I'd believe an organisation whose very name celebrates immoral or wicked behaviour such as criminal activities involving prostitution, pornography, or drugs?

[quote] the British destroyed much of Indian industry. It took raw materials from Indian (including cotton) and resold it back to India as loomed products.

That's exactly what China does now.

I suspect you (R122) are an Indian that you're so riled up over what is a normal economic commercial procedure.

[quote] An interesting question is why the Philippines, where English is also universal among the educated classes (thanks to Yanks, not Brits this time), has not seen the level of advancement that India has achieved in the last few decades.

Catholicism.

R129 you have to be kidding. A gay man praising Catholicism?!? Haha now I’ve seen it all.

R83, “Farting, belching and burping were all welcomed at the dining table into the Early Modern period if I recall.”

…wow… how old ARE you, R83?

R130, read the post again. I don't think he's praising Catholicism.

Hint for R130

Filipinos are Catholic

Indians are Hindu

Side note: The Philippines are picking up a lot of the call center work that used to go to India because Americans can understand them. Companies were starting to understand the amount of bad feeling and customer dissatisfaction they were generating by using Indian call centers and switched.

R126 Australia will be saying the same thing about China in 50 years.

Unfortunately if you aren't capable of managing your own natural resources someone will take advantage of you. It's why Prostitutes have Pimps.

R122 - YES - But there were massive changes GLOBALLY between the beginning of the 18th century (1700) and 1948. The rise of the United States, Canada, Spanish colonies, industrial revolution, technological advancements.

It's not like India would have stayed with that 24% share of the economy - everybody else was catching up and other countries were coming on to the scene.

The $45 trillion dollar figure is based on a Marxist economist and needs more scrutiny. Yes, large amounts of goods and services and wealth were extracted from India - that's what you do with colonies - but this doesn't paint the entire picture.

It's lazy and intellectually dishonest to fingerpoint at England and blame it all on them. Total and complete bullshit. It's all about making an enemy and a scapegoat - it's politically good for the Indian elite that people promote this idea, otherwise they'd have to answer for their subjugation of their fellow citizens and hoarding of extreme wealth.

R135, Australia loves selling coal, iron ore, barley, etc. to China. It’s thanks to those exports that Australia avoided recession for 30 years. They’re charging China an arm and a leg right now for their iron ore.

Australia in fact is complaining because China wants to diversify its sources of coal and iron ore.

R150

R150

R150

The Australians are fully in control of their own mines and farms.

R139 - every economy will be hit hard if China's economy falters.

R141, 43% of Australia’s exports go to China. Next is Japan at 9%. There’s no trading relationship like it. They’ve been making crazy money selling to China.

Link for R142

And the US is also locked in dangerous relationship with China.

95% of every Walmart is Made In China.

R144 - 90% of all consumer products are made in China - not just Walmart.

We've sold out our country.

After India gained its independence, they immediately embraced socialism. That stopped them from progressing economically for almost 50 years.

What’s the average IQ there?

Excellent read.

I don’t care, but here are average IQs.

Indian stud

^ That "stud" doesn't look Indian.

The Ganges is crazy.

So what’s with the no deodorant thing? It’s a serious issue.

R146 The only Country that would regard India as ever being Socialist is The United States.

What happened after Independence was that everybody with any power decided to fill their pockets.

Socialism might have been a Good thing for India?

[Quote] That's exactly what China does now. I suspect you ([R122]) are an Indian that you're so riled up over what is a normal economic commercial procedure.

It’s normal imperialism. Take all raw materials from a country, make products in your own country and sell it back without the taxes put on materials made in the original country. Imperialism 101. It quickly destroys industry and makes the occupied country completely dependent on the imperialist country.

Heck England even prevented India from selling salt within its borders. It had to be bought from England

What China does in Africa now makes the British Empire look benevolent (which to an extent it was)

They have multiple Countries on 'Choke Collars.'

R156, what China is doing is close to what America has done for a century around the world. But that’s all a bunch of whataboutism that has nothing to do with India

R155 and R156, you’re crazy ignorant It’s nothing like what imperial powers did. It’s pathetic.

[quote] It’s normal imperialism. Take all raw materials from a country, make products in your own country and sell it back without the taxes put on materials made in the original country. Imperialism 101.

This is so dumb.

What do you mean by “*take* raw materials”?

“ without the taxes put on materials made in the original country”

What?!

You’re a fucking child. Or a state university undergrad.

Don’t discuss things about which you know nothing. “Imperialism 101” my ass.

Retard.

R159 - oooooh that was a burn. But justified. R155 read a couple of articles linked here and then made some wide sweeping statements to sound smart.

I like Indian food but so much of it looks like vomit.

What’s with the deodorant obsessive? I thought everyone was into natural smells these days lol.

I live in a city with a lot of Indian immigrants and many of them reek of BO. It’s really offensive to me because I feel like that’s not fair to others who have to share public spaces with you. I’m not talking natural smells I mean full fledged Bo from sweating. It’s selfish and easily remedied. I’m just wondering if they at least have some kind of justification for it. I know they can afford it.

I work with several Indians and I don't recall ever smelling offensive BO. However, when I go to the local 7-11 run by Pakistanis, the BO hits you hard as you enter. For many South Asians, the wearing of deodorant is simply not part of their culture, that it is a Western thing. And if you look at who the biggest consumers of deodorants and antiperspirants are, it is overwhelmingly Americans. For many cultures, simply bathing and keeping clean, and maybe spritzing some cologne or perfume is enough.

R16, I'm guessing your hometown in Alabama probably reeks like shit, too

R159 is oh so smart and yet he can't think of a better insult than "retard"

Your snobbism towards people who go to state schools is unjustified. I'd rather hire someone who went to Berkeley than a Trump University grad like yourself

R134, that’s funny because Indian English accents are easier to understand than Filipino English accents. There’s something off about the cadence of some Filipino-accented English that makes it hard to follow. It’s not mispronunciation of words per se; it's that the rise-and-fall of their speech is not normal English. It’s like they don’t stress the right words in a sentence or pause in the right place. At it’s worst, the speech sounds chirpy and mechanical.

Indians, on the other hand, are easy to understand, even when they have a strong accent.

Or did you mean to imply that people are prejudiced against Indians, so the accent is a problem for companies for reasons unrelated to understandability? That would be unfortunately.

Best solution: Bring the jobs back to the US and pay a decent fucking wage.

^^^ "unfortunate", not "unfortunately".

[quote] For many cultures, simply bathing and keeping clean, and maybe spritzing some cologne or perfume is enough.

Well it's not. These 'cultural" norms are old and outdate. There is no reason why such cultures cannot move into the modern day when it comes to hygiene.

I’m sure somebody who is not polite has told these people they smell so why not just be considerate and wear some deodorant? It’s the same as people who listen to their music on a speaker in public. Complete disregard for everyone else.

[quote]For many cultures, simply bathing and keeping clean, and maybe spritzing some cologne or perfume is enough.

Fine then stay in your own shit hole county then. If you come to the US you need to wear deodorant. It's OUR culture not to stink.

Indians and other South Indians tends to have strong BO due to their diet with lots of spice which naturally metabolized in their sweat. This made worse by observant Hindus whom regularly smeared their body with oil and ash as part of their daily praying ritual. My brother used to have an Indian tenant with an odor exactly like shit. Seem he wasn't aware about this because this is the first he lived with a non Indian.

I never met anybody from India with body odour. I do however have a problem understanding their English.

I mean, damn - to be fair - French guys smell awful too. But yeah, I hooked up with a super hot Indian IT guy this afternoon (who had been here for long enough to know better), but I had to leave. His crack (even AFTER he washed) smelled like raw curry. And bad breath too. A shame because this guy could have been a model. He smelled so bad (and yes, I admit I am a "Mary" delicate flower in the BO dept), I couldn't even get a hard-on. Made some excuses and left. Ran home and washed my face and gargled before getting some dinner, haha.

*rank curry

I've hooked up with Indian Americans who all smelled just fine.

I was on Best Buy and there was an otherwise normal looking young Indian girl working. I made the mistake of getting too close and I had to leave in a flash. Her bo was so strong I became overwhelmed and dizzy.

man, most of you people on this forum are dumb as shit

try reading Empire of Cotton, it's very enlightening and it answers OPS question perfectly

Disastrous

Nuts

Almost 5 million. Jeeze.

Because it's India OP. Some countries and their citizens are just filthier than others. It's not racist, it's just the truth. A lot of their religious mumbo-jumbo also makes them live in unhygienic conditions and do unhygienic things. South America is similar with this.

Africa is just corrupt throughout and they are constantly killing.

Even the USA has filthy cities.

Places like China are just about expansion so they pollute everything regardless of the price to their people, the environment, or living conditions in general.

Yeah Russians are a good example of filthy Europeans

It is very hard for developing nations who keep women uneducated - and in India - at risk of rape and murder by random mobs of Indian men - to advance their economies.

Indian also favor cousin-cousin marriages, which leads to higher rates of defective offspring, and with each generation, mutations accrue.

Doesn’t India also have a culture of arranged marriages?

The Ganges is recovering.

[quote] Places like China are just about expansion so they pollute everything regardless of the price to their people, the environment, or living conditions in general.

Might want to get updated every now and then. They're cleaning up. That's the tactic: make your money with manufacturing, polluting, then get rich and then clean it up. Think Liverpool or Minamata.

None of this matters. India would still beat China in war.

It's a superpower. China just isn't.

R186 The cousin marriage problem is largely confined to the Pakistani community in the UK, but we aren't supposed to mention it for fear of being accused of racism.

This kind of story only pops up infrequently.

They covered themselves in that story by mentioning by including people of Black African ethnicity also, they barely register on a UK census - probably under 0.5% of the UK population.

This thread has me in the mood for Indian cock now.

I love Indian cock.

Yes, please.

Has anyone else noticed that alopecia seems to be not uncommon among Indian women?

Dishonest people.

R198 is angry that Indians are smarter than him

Yes, cousin marriage is pretty much a Pakistani thing, not and Indian thing. At least not a Hindu Indian thing.

By the way, to a poster or two upthread, "South Indian" and "South Asian" are NOT interchangeable terms.

"South Asian" refers to all the countries of the entire subcontinent+: India, Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldives.

South Indian strictly means people from southern India, from the southern part of the country. Indians from the northern half of the country are different from Indians in the southern part-- different food, different cultures, different languages, different beliefs. But India's differences are baked in as the people have been there for thousands of years. I'm not been sure they're in the same haplogroup, I know they have different genetic makeup.

A person wouldn't call someone from the southern region of the US a South American, right?

Finally, South Asian and Southeast Asian are also not the same thing. I'm not sure anyone in this thread has called South Asia 'Southeast Asia' but I hear it all the time from people who should know better: people on public broadcasting, etc. Southeast Asia is of course, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.

What’s a desi?

R200 British people have that deep and understanding of the Indian Subcontinent (possibly some Portuguese), but outside of that it's a bit vague to the rest of the Western Nations.

They don't have the history or personal experience of growing up with Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi people.

We're a bit unique.

Geography teaching in the US seems a bit shit also.

R201, "desi" means Indian/Nepali/Bangladeshi/Pakistani. It's pronounced "THEY-see."

That region is colloquially known as "the desh", meaning 'the land.'. Desi means 'people of the land.'. Another example would be Bangladesh, meaning 'land of the Bangals' (Bengalis).

^Pakistani, my phone hyphenated it for some reason.

Nice, R196.

Victim.

Wild country

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[Quote] [R198] is angry that Indians are smarter than him

Clever maybe. Like a crooked accountant. Smart, no. Or the country wouldn't be in the state it is.

It is considered clever to cheat and circumvent the law there. The bureaucracy is corrupt. It creates efficiency. The appalling corruption is at every level of society and interaction. The clogged legal system means there is no rule of law and no recourse to law.

This means one can't plan anything, or build anything, properly together. It's an exhausting place to work in. I speak from experience.

You do a project there but don't expect your last payment installment. They'll ghost you. Then what, go and take it to the courts there?

Plus the caste mentality pervades everything. It doesn't affect you much but you can see it. It's very offensive to watch all that ass kissing.

Smart? I don't think so. Deceitful, yes. I feel sorry for the place.

Wow R209 your comment is very poorly written.

[quote] Smart? I don't think so.

You said it!

What you'll expect some damn country of towel heads can't invent an original name?! The injuns already had a nation India in Amurica until we discovered the continent and civilized it proper and brought god. Now you tell me what country is gone get power if they don't follow GOD?! Some of them Chics look like a dark Jesus but that so called country aint got Jesus and they aint got Santy Claus ether.

Doing other things may be clever but for a country of a billion plus to win one or two Olympic medals does not sound very smart to me.

Wait Indians are also snake handlers?

There was nothing wrong with how R209 wrote his post. R210 doesn't have a good response so he tries to insult R209 by calling him stupid.

[Quote] It is considered clever to cheat and circumvent the law there. The bureaucracy is corrupt. It creates efficiency. The appalling corruption is at every level of society and interaction. The clogged legal system means there is no rule of law and no recourse to law.

That’s par for the course in any and every poor country

[Quote] It is considered clever to cheat and circumvent the law there. The bureaucracy is corrupt. It creates efficiency. The appalling corruption is at every level of society and interaction. The clogged legal system means there is no rule of law and no recourse to law.

Ironic talking about rule of law just after America is emerging from 4 years of Trump corruption

[Quote] Plus the caste mentality pervades everything. It doesn't affect you much but you can see it. It's very offensive to watch all that ass kissing.

Um, you think there isn’t caste in America?

[Quote] Doing other things may be clever but for a country of a billion plus to win one or two Olympic medals does not sound very smart to me.

Does number of Olympic gold medals equate to intelligence or wealth?

They have made huge strives, just listen to all the voices on the countless robo calls, they all have the Indian dialect.

a nation of huge strivers making strives.

But I make bigger strives.

R214 you can’t be serious. Most of the sentences are nonsensical, or contain fallacies.

[quote] The bureaucracy is corrupt. It creates efficiency.

Read these two sentences slowly. Read the whole thing slowly, have fun :)

One issue is that they have an elite class that thinks they’re much smarter than they are. IQs matter.

R222 - he clearly meant inefficiency.

R217 - no - believe it or not, the caste system is WORSE than systematic racism. Much worse.

Yes, the caste system is akin to slavery forced upon Africans in the US. It is one of the reasons India will never stop being a cesspool of 1.5 billion souls, half of which have no access to toilets.

R224 thank you. It was obviously a typo as you point out but as r222 has nothing else to say, leave him be.

R215 - r217 too need not just to read but to comprehend. Wiseass responses of no substance like r222. Clever, not smart.

See, OP didn't ask to compare shithole India with other shitholes. Or say it was the only shithole. His question was why India was such a shithole (our word, not his), a question I answered from my experience.

Oh I can give more examples of what is holding the country back. For now, let us say it also includes silly defensive attitudes like r222 and r215-217.

Acid attacks, like in London.

England deserved something in return for giving up India. Like all of mainland Europe as reparations for the London blitz of 1940.

R226 honestly read over your comment before you post, it’s so badly written! But based on the content you probably wouldn’t notice what’s wrong with it haha.

R230 There you go again, chile. Comment on the content? Correct the writing? TIA.

R231 I honestly can’t understand what you’re asking. Mess!

Filth.

70% of rural Indians defecated in fields, roadways etc in 2014.

That’s some serious shit.

It’s because they are smelly bitches

There is some DNA evidence connecting South Indian and Sri Lankan populations with Australian Aborigines, particularly tribes from North-Western of Australia around Broome. I have seen some people living there who I just assumed were native Australians until they spoke with an Indian accent. The Sri Lankan Vedda tribe is very close physically and culturally to the North West Aborigines. One big difference is the way non-native children are taught, Sri Lankan children, in particular, are highly respectful to adults and are well mannered to a fault, whereas Australian Aboriginal children are unruly little shits.

R242 of course you don't "understand" as you have nothing of substance to say! Deceitfulness is an habit sometimes ingrained in a culture like in India :)

In my teens a missionary to Calcutta came to my then church. The way he spoke of the people was so degrading and insulting I walked out of his slide show. Colonial thinking coupled with the absurd claim the “heathens” desperately need the to save them.

He was a true ahole. How, his son, a beautiful guy with a truly wonderful spirit. Took him out for burgers. We chatted like.old friends until the place closed. Not wanting to end our time together we walked and chatted for miles. He was as much in puppy love as me. We both cried when they left.

A true kindred soul. Btw, he hated living in India - Tim loved Indian culture and people. He HATED being forced to be a part of scam his parents were runny at the expense of locals.

Running that is…..

Lol R236 you can’t even tag responses correctly 😂 get a grip!

Ok r239 let's not hog this thread. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I didnt mean you personally but I was responding to OP about shithole india and shithole indians. I'm plain spoken obviously.

One last add: its not just the asskissing that was offensive. What was more deeply upsetting was how the asskissers would turn right around and treat the ones they consider their inferiors abominably. Caste in action, updated.

It's a country of dishonest ugly Uriah Heeps, if you get my meaning. But feel free to say you don't understand what a Uriah heep is either.

Namaste.

@ R240

Can you guys just STFU? No need to say "let's not hog the thread" and then proceed to write three paragraphs. No one cares about your little DL hissy fit with each other. Girls, girls you both stink.

Sorry r241 but stinky trolls need to be slammed.

But I've made my points responding to OP. I can make more.

The Caste system isn't anything unique, it's why the British confused it with the 'Class' system. Every society has an underclass.

For Greeks it's The Turks, for Romanians it's the Gypsies, even the people of Cabo Verde look down on the Senegalese. It's a basic human trait and if you eliminated it between races then something else will fill that space.

My roommate was from Bihar, which I gather is the armpit of India. But it is in the north and he thought he was completely superior to the southerners. He said they looked like devils. I mentioned someone from the south and he said, "Oh, that black fellow?", while he himself was very dark.

[quote] The Caste system isn't anything unique,

R243, no one said it’s unique.

That said, it’s still enforced through violence in rural areas. That’s somewhat rare, albeit perhaps not unique.

Last month, a group of upper-caste men allegedly beat up a 21-year-old Dalit resident, named Jitendra, so badly that he died nine days later.

His alleged crime: he sat on a chair and ate in their presence at a wedding.

R243 there is social differentiation which is a feature of every society. And then there is caste.

This is like saying there are labor laws, and then there is slavery. Get it? Of course you do. You always did I'm sure.

Ganges, everyone.

Original discussion of the R251 photos.

Yah, its not like aristo guys in England are forming gangs and raping and killing women living in council flats.

Women are screwed in India and exponentially screwed if born Dahlit.

But … but it’s the world’s largest democracy!

Meanwhile, in China:

Santa Monica, everyone

Terrifying. Don’t click if you’re sensitive.

Common take among India’s elite.

They're wild over there. If it's for religion, anything's OK, it seems. Jeeze.

r256 That is clearly a skull of a toddler ( with rotting eyeballs ). In Hinduism babies and children are considered "pure" so there is no need for their cremation. Since burial is too expensive for most in India throwing the bodies into the river makes sense.

r257 Decades ago China was similar to India in many ways. Both were huge overpopulated country with mostly poor farmers and a society obsessed with religion and superstitions. Chinese Communist Party despite all its fault managed to control their population growth and cut off their society reliance on superstitions something that democratic Indian so far have failed to do. Not to say China is perfect but you surely wont find any Chinese throwing the body of their own dead child into the river or smearing their body with cow shit due to "tradition".

R259, thanks for the detail. Interesting stuff.

Dalits ? What happened to pariahs ?

[quote] [R129] you have to be kidding. A gay man praising Catholicism?!? Haha now I’ve seen it all.

R130 I wasn't praising Catholicism at all, idiot. I'm sorry that you're ignorant and illiterate.

India isn't known as a country with a lot of Catholics, dumbass.

Compare

The constant gang rape is creepy. Like how women are just raped to death on the bus.

The dalit population is over 200 million, if there was one rape a day (still too many) it wouldn't be statistically significant.

It's not socially acceptable even in India in any case.

Rape is rarely punished.

Violence against dalits.

Teenage brides.

Channel 4

Why is gang r*** so common?

My roommate (here in the US) was a Dalit. Very intelligent, working as a professor at the local university. His wife was from a higher caste (I don't know which one) and her family had completely cut her off when she married him, even her twin brother. I think they had threatened them both. But they were very happy together.

Gypsies in India

There is a bit of a backlash against the Dalit community because a percentage of low grade Government jobs are reserved for them.

The Patidar (Patel's) are the main protagonists.

Slave marriages

Kids in China walk 4.5 km to school everyday. Is that any better?

Are gay gang rape common ? Asking for a friend

It's been shown that the best way to lift people out of poverty are to provide opportunities for women, and to end discrimination against them. As seen itt India is downright dangerous for women, as compared to Communist China which at least purports equality of the sexes. Birth control obviously helps, as it's easier for women to have more economic opportunities with one child as opposed to seven (or more).

R277

R277 full movie

India has triumphed over Covid. So.... you were saying?

R45 is right - the only hot country that's become developed (IMG Advanced Economy status) is Singapore, as far as I can tell. Unless Israel's climate is considered hot. Well, apart from some French territory in South America. And Taiwan and Hong Kong.

*IMF

Is that an Indian gay porn titled Hostel?

R284, it's not porn. It's a drama addressing the plague of male-male gang rape.

Now listen up, you're going to sit at that table until your plate is clear! Do you know there are children starving in Africa.

R259 The difference is that China is controlled and run by the majority Han ethnicity, which subjugates the other non-Chinese people, like Tibetans, Mongols etc. It's multi-ethnic, but one group dominates all the others. India is the opposite, no order at all, it's a melting pot where no one is able to control anything because of Western democracy and humanitarianism. These ideologies had the effect of overpopulating India with lower caste people, while the upper caste with higher IQ was pushed aside and taken away from position of power.

Interesting, R287. Sounds like India's kind of screwed. Huh.

"it's a melting pot where no one is able to control anything because of Western democracy and humanitarianism. These ideologies had the effect of overpopulating India with lower caste people, while the upper caste with higher IQ was pushed aside and taken away from position of power."

What the fuck are you talking about? Evidence?

The Top Drawer Indians are my kind of people.

How does Australia fit your paradigm, R282? Do you think we have kangaroos in the streets? Or a cool climate?

[quote]The cousin marriage problem is largely confined to the Pakistani community in the UK

And, of course, the British Royal Family.

There is so much casual racism in this thread it boggles the mind. I am reminded of all the "filthy China" comments when Covid started, all apparently unaware that the Spanish Flu is believed to have started in "filthy" Kansas.

R291, what paradigm? I was just affirming R45's observation.

Australia is pretty temperate, isn't it? I mean, there's such a thing as winter over there, right? Its most populous cities are somewhat on the same latitude as Argentina's Pampas? Subtropical regions don't matter: we're talking about very hot countries, where AC is necessary for high productivity.

Melbourne and Aukland are almost on the same latitude. Both have winter.

Winter in Australia. It's cold where the most people live.

R291 The British Royal family don't have multi-generational first cousin marriages. The only Royal house that did follow that path were the Hapsburgs and it didn't end well.

Inbreeding is a huge problem among royals. Saudi towards the end of this video. It's huge there.

R259 How is burial expensive in India. Among the Muslim population, they only do burials, but they’re low cost or usually free. Their population sees it as a community duty and a point of honor.

Face it, the majority of Indians are filthy and unhygienic. Between the rat temple and drinking cow piss, it’s one gross thing after another. It’s one thing being cluttered, it’s another bathing happily with putrid, liquified corpses. That takes the cake.

R297 Hindu's are cremated and the wood is very expensive (comparatively). They wouldn't throw bodies in the river unless they were desperate.

298 What? One whole village cannot afford a shovel between them, and the youngest and fittest men cannot dig a six-foot hole? A ridiculous excuse.

R299 Burial is against Hindu beliefs.

The UK has fought massive court battles against them having public open-air cremations here (they won btw) and they are looking for potential sites to hold them.

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And sexual abuse never happens in the USA?

R301 Yes, but their society is far from normal by our standards.

Social media has served to highlight some of the horror they experience. All we can hope is that the Indian Government addresses these things.

Unfortunately the UK/West doesnt have a dog in the fight any longer. Those of us that are older remember the Bhopal disaster.

R297/R301 is a Pakistani troll... they're now bringing over their obsessions to the datalounge.

Temple elephants are chained in spiked shackles and abused. Their lifetime of pain is a tribute to the gods.

Fucking terrible.

There are Indians who are trying to help, however.

Just please don’t forget the elephants.

Why their economy can’t go anywhere.

Robin couldn’t spend more than one day there.

Setting baby elephants on fire.

Read this.

The caste system is horrible.

Half of YouTube commenters. They’re busy on YouTube.

This is why.

R304 You might be correct?

Pakistan can't exactly claim the 'High Ground' though, it's a bigger shithole than India.

😂😂😂😂

[quote] normal by our standards.

^^ this is seriously stupid. R303 ‘normal’ is not an objective set of standards, it’s subjective and relative. Their normal is not the US’ normal. Typical US ignorance why am I surprised. Hindus think eating cows is despicable and morally bankrupt, do you feel like you’re doing society a disservice while eating a burger? Jesus some of you need to travel more and see the world, this thread has a real bang of fear and insecurity off it.

These poor elephants in the US.

Mmmmmmmm delish

550,000 people living on the streets in the US, of those 20% are children and of those children, 42% are LGBT. Gays where is the outrage about that?

Ladies my point with the previous 3 links is that the call is coming from inside the house. You look like losers making fun of a country in poverty while your own country is……well let’s just say….those in glass houses!

And what about the Islamic expansion, R38? It wiped out indigenous cultures from Morocco to Indonesia. The Ottoman Empire? Ghengis Kahn? What about the Aztecs, Incas and other empires in what became the Americas that wiped out other empires and tribes? The world and history are very dynamic. You're not very well educated or capable of thought beyond the childishly simplistic "West bad!" meme, are you?

R319, when half a billion people are shitting in the streets, 100's of millions are illiterate, an underclass cleans out sewers, when dead bodies are thrown into rivers as a tradition, corruption is rife and little hope seems to be on the horizon, we have the right to judge.

So what is the rat temple?

India, Pakistan and Afghanistan sound like hell holes. Even immigrants from there don’t like going back to visit. I knew a girl in her 20s who was afraid she’d be kidnapped by some creepy uncle if she went back to visit.

Oh, get it together, India!

Our beautiful America.

[quote] we have the right to judge.

No you don’t. Your last prez is a trump card for literally every other country lol. There is no way past that.

Terrifying

Climate change’s effects.

R325, that’s newsworthy because in America, that’s the exception, not the rule.

Lead in the drinking water

Poor infrastructure coupled with climate change - what will happen to Miami?

Girls! You're both shitholes!

R322 here you go.....

It’s a nation run by solicitors, like America.

For some reason its engineers don’t run for office.

Intense piece about water in India.

Intense piece about water in the US.

This thread is about India’s economy.

R336 India's water problems are much greater. Whataboutism is not going to solve anything.

R339 yep and complaining about India for lols isn’t going to help the 100m or so Americans living in danger because of uncertain future access to water either ;) or the ones in danger because of fire, or rising water levels, or unsafe drinking water, or homelessness, or lack of healthcare, or mental health treatment facilities, or an unfair political and justice system etc etc etc.

I suppose this thread is really a form of distraction therapy?

R339 so start your own thread. I suggest the title 'United States'. The discussion in this thread is India. No, it's not distraction therapy. It's about somewhere other than the US.

Bureaucracy stemning from that toxic caste system. Someone on here said his friend tried to help by investing in some new electric company tech. But then, he ran into all kind of red tape and permit issues that he end up could not get the innovation project off the ground.

R341 you replied to yourself. Maybe a little distracted?

R343 multi-tasking. Obviously not doing it well.

At least India have #transisbeautiful . No TERFs in sights. Jealous?

p/s the best part is after 3:00

r345 = Alok

One more reason to never go there, R345. Not that we needed another one.

R340 Any Country with a coastline that has the political will can spend their way out of water shortages We even have one in the UK (where it rains a lot) for emergencies and another coming soon.

It's just about prioritizing infrastructure over short term affluence, I'm sure the US will be just fine.

India? Hello? BLM.

Reports of girls and young women being brutally assaulted by family members have recently made headlines in India. The incidents have also put the spotlight on how unsafe girls and women are within their own homes.

Last week, 17-year-old Neha Paswan was allegedly beaten to death by members of her extended family in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh because they didn't like her wearing jeans.

Yeah, we can R326. No matter what issues you raise about what is wrong in the US, it is nowhere on the scale of India or other 3rd world countries and there are mechanisms to resolve them. You are completely clueless. There are many reasons why millions of people doing anything they can to get here and other 1st world countries. If you are too stupid too see the reasons or so blinded by ideology, that's on you.

All of the Indians are getting their panties in a bunch here the minute anyone dares to criticize the cesspool known as India. Heaven forbid you discuss their social maladies lest you be labeled “a Pakistani.” Oh no, how awful! How will I survive, snort!

But, but, but America has homeless people too!!!

I stand by my belief that nothing compares to the level of filth seen in India. Next superpower, eh? Maybe instead of wasting money on nukes and a space program, they should get toilets for all and proper corpse disposal. Just sayin’…

It so interesting the way they intermittently wobble their heads from side to side when speaking.

R351 gosh I didn’t realize there were “mechanisms to resolve them”!!! Tell me, what are the mechanisms in place to get the 550,000 homeless people off the streets? What mechanisms are in place to curb the corporations creating massive climate change which is drastically affecting the entire US west coast? What mechanisms are in place for healthcare for the citizens? What mechanisms are in place to make sure you don’t end up with a nightmare Donald trump type president again? Because I haven’t seen anything change girl haha.

And R351 I agree the scale of problems is worse in India, however the US has the resources and India doesn’t. So while India’s problems can be understood in the context of poverty, the US does not have that excuse. It’s embarrassing - that’s why you shouldn’t cast judgment. As long as the US has it’s own problems (which it doesn’t have to - it just doesn’t have the political will to change) it’s hypocritical, dysfunctional but mainly totally stupid to make fun of a poverty stricken country for having problems of its own. And even if it did have problems it’s still dumb to criticize those less fortunate. Does that make sense? Save your judgment for your own house’s failings. Go lobby your local politicians to do something about the housing crisis or the environmentally crisis rather than waste your time on here making fun of Indians. Pathetic. Can you imagine you as a child thinking this was who you were going to grow up to be?

But it doesn't actually matter whether the U.S. has its problems r355. India still needs to get its shit together (literally, apparently) and stop pretending it's still some poor little colony oh so exploited. Fuck that noise and figure out why women are treated like garbage in your country and stop doing it. Start there.

You are correct that the West has its own problems and isn't actually going to solve India's. That much is true. But that doesn't mean India has to just accept shitty government, shitty bureaucracy, shitty corruption, shitty businessmen, religious bullshit or anything else.

R355 LIVES for whataboutism - he's all over this thread trashing America's problems as if that's even relevant for a discussion about why India hasn't pulled itself up to first world status.

He's pathetic - not offering anything but criticism of everyone else. Hopefully that's not the asshole type your mother wanted their child to grow up to be either.

Then leave asshole, R254. You're not wanted or needed. You wouldn't last a fucking day in India, you loser.

Then leave asshole, R354. You're not wanted or needed here. You wouldn't last a fucking day in India, you loser.

Wow, India's obsessed. Picking a fight... I guess the Indian government really is rolling in dough.

R355 Baby, there’s American poor and then there’s Indian poor.

The good thing about America is that it has social safety net programs (food stamps, SSI, county medical care, section 8 housing, free education, etc). Though they are far from perfect, they are a boon to those who wish to utilize them. As far as homelessness goes, the reality is the majority of the homeless are mentally ill or addicts. This is why you don’t see families living in tents or children begging in the streets. There are resources available to those who want them and can follow the rules. This is also why droves of people come from places like India…even if you’re “poor” in the US, most likely you’ll have food in your belly and a roof over your head. Not the best, but something adequate.

Contrast that with India, where young children begging and prostituting is a common sight, where women and girls are systematically gang raped, where “dalits” have no chance of upward mobility and are tortured on a regular basis. A place where the government has utterly failed its people with its gross obsession with Pakistan, with its brinksmanship with China (really, India?!), and this false belief that a few call centers and computer factories will make it the next superpower. Start with the basics. As the so-called largest democracy in the world, why are you keeping untouchables down? Why don’t you spend your money on basic sanitation and clean water? How about ending the caste system?

As a child, did you ever think you’d be defending India so blindly at the expense of the destitute and the innocent? Jai Hind (if you’re in the top 1%)!

It again boggles my mind that a pakistani is really trying to talk shit about another country.

A woman I work with has been taking OT shifts as much as she can to send money back to her family in India. Several have been hospitalized with COVID. The money she sends is to pay bribes so her loved ones can get basic care....in the fucking hospital no less!

Are the people standing up for India and saying their problems are the same as America should go live there

America the beautiful.

India doesn’t advance because their smartest people all get the fuck out and head to North America at the first opportunity.

They can’t even grasp the use of sword era t

Deodorant

R356 did you read about the huge sewage leak in Santa Monica at all? The US needs to get its literal shit together too.

Did you also see the growing political pressure to make abortion illegal again in the US? The poor US women right?

[quote] shitty government, shitty bureaucracy, shitty corruption, shitty businessmen, religious bullshit or anything else

I’m sorry are you discussing US or India here I lost your point.

R358 / R359 nice double post dickhead 😂😂😂

[quote] There are resources available to those who want them and can follow the rules

This is pure US libertarianism propaganda. You’ve been conditioned to believe that homeless people are homeless by their own fault, and that providing resources is only dependent on them being perfect, that they don’t deserve help or resources, your fellow citizens! 20% of homeless in US are children have fun with reconciling your opinions on that haha.

It wasn't a double post, R370, but you're too dumb to see it. 287 million people in India are illiterate. You'd be at home there. You probably already shit in the gutter, too. You better find out which hand you are supposed to wipe your ass with in India. Getting it wrong could cost you your life. A friendly suggestion: bring your own toilet paper, though just your bare hand will do.

R372 mmm yes it was you fucked up your tagging and posted twice. You wouldn’t have made the comment to the other poster it wouldn’t make sense. Is this your first time on here? Do you know how this website functions? Haha - wow you’re obsessed with shit…are you the scat troll?

I usually hate Asian Boss, but this is interesting.

Foreigners prefer India over China. Look at the comments.

R371 If your parent/caregiver was homeless in any Western Country you'd be taken into Government/State care.

You'd be lucky not to be arrested,

Adults make a choice, children don't and it isn't tolerated.

Twenty percent is a figment of your imagination.

R378 see R318 x

R362 You keep telling yourself that, mate. Or maybe I’m of Indian descent and simply disgusted by the vile living conditions and inhumane treatment of people over there? Dumbass.

R379 You are technically homeless in a Western Country if you live in a well appointed shelter (sometimes even a Hotel or Motel).

'No Fixed Abode' doesn't mean that you are sleeping on the streets, we have a different definition.

Awww R381 well if you say it that way it just sounds glamorous and it’s clearly not even a problem! You’re a shithead x

R382 Children are removed or placed in temporary accommodation with their parents as soon as the authorities become aware.

I'm not sure I'd regard living in a motel/hotel or shelter for month's on end as 'Glamorous', it sounds like hell to me?

They remain technically homeless until they attain a permanent residence.

We have a long history (150+ years) of not allowing that kind of shit to happen in most Western Countries.

[quote] until they attain a permanent residence.

Awwww you swallowed it hook line and sinker. The naïveté is cute I’ll admit. But you should look at the statistics for homeless kids becoming homeless adults. Might dampen your spirits though.

Also R380:

[quote]You can’t make sweeping generalizations about 200 million Pakistanis based on the actions of a few. Pakistanis are very diverse in their beliefs, with some people observing strict purdah (like your friend’s wife...though it is extremely impractical and regressive in the West) and some being very modern and liberal.

Aww... look how obsessed he is along with his other racist posts. So pathetic I can't waste anymore time here. Get a life

R384 We have a different definition of Homelessnes.

You could spend many years in secure temporary accommodation and still be judged to be homeless.

It's not an ideal situation that any Country offers, but it's pragmatic, caring , less cruel and not barbaric on the whole.

Sorry but India is a mess. It’s worse than most countries even some Eastern European ones. You just can’t compare our problems in the west to them because there MOST PEOPLE are living in abject poverty.

[quote] It’s worse than most countries even some Eastern European ones.

I can't think of an Eastern European country that's worse. Moldova? Georgia? Ukraine? I mean... I don't think so.

This was awesome. Like nuts.

A less sensationalistic overview of the Ganges from National Geo.

[quote] You just can’t compare our problems in the west to them

This is true. We have a different set of problems that they don’t have.

For instance the destruction related to carbon emissions per capita is almost totally a North American once you take population into account. The responsibility for the approaching climate collapse that will destroy the environmental and social fabric of the world will lie at the feet of western countries. And they’re the ones with the resources to do something about it!

Shocking greed and carelessness, dysfunctional society.

10,000,000 new toilets.

I read that the Indian farmers in the villages still won't use modern toilets, even when they're installed. Still prefer to go out in the field.

America the beautiful

America the kind

OMG who is the troll trying to pretend the US is even close to the hellfire of India. Here's a hint-if you have large amounts of immigrants moving to YOUR country then generally speaking, your country is superior.

India is also one of the world’s top destinations for international migrants. As of 2015, about 5.2 million immigrants live in India, making it the 12th-largest immigrant population in the world. The overwhelming majority of India’s immigrants are from neighboring countries such as Bangladesh (3.2 million), Pakistan (1.1 million), Nepal (540,000) and Sri Lanka (160,000).

America the beautiful

R404 Asian covers a massive suave of ethnicity in the US, pretty much from Japan to Pakistan, (probably even the Middle-East as their geography is terrible).

The Asian groups can be very racist to each other and the figures aren't broken down to reflect that.

I like how the British pronounce Pakistan like pah-key-STAAAHN

R405, the hate crimes are instances of physical violence. Microaggressions (e.g., a Chinese grandma avoiding sitting next to a Pakistani guy on a bus) aren’t included. East Asians aren’t committing hate crimes against Southeast Asians, who aren’t committing hate crimes against South Asians, etc.

R407 Of course Asians are assaulting other Asian groups, half of this thread is devoted to it

Prejudice doesn't vanish when people move to Western Countries..

R408, prejudice isn’t the same as hate-motivated violence. If you’d like, please show me one news story about an Asian committing a hate crime against another Asian in America. I don’t think it’s out there. Asian-Americans generally just aren’t particularly criminally physically violent.

R409 isn't the comment from R405 about racism and prejudice? How did we make the leap to asian on asian violence?

R410, try to connect R404 with R405. Maybe you can.

Ah-Ha! I have R404 blocked. Must be a nutter. Thanks for helping! :)

It’s a real TED talk. Terrible video title though.

Are Buddhists affected by India’s caste system?

Arunachal Pradesh might want to seek reunification with Tibet.

The British made the caste system more severe.

Burakumin in Japan.

[quote]I doubt that the average Indian is worse off than the average person living in China.

The average China person is smarter than the average Indian. I have had to instruct plenty of both for work, and you only need to tell a Chinese person something ONCE, and they never forget it. They have the capacity to assess any situation correctly, I will always favor them in the workplace because of this. Many Indians are hardworking but are easily distracted. As long as you are happy to keep repeating to them "do it this way..."

Chinese people are smart? Wasn't it a Chinese woman who let her kid shit on a plane full of passengers? In his SEAT

No R420 it was an American woman screaming homophobic slurs on a plane as she was being removed for violating their code of conduct.

No R421 I'm pretty sure it was in the news awhile ago that a Chinese woman let her child take a dump in the aisle or seat of a crowded airplane

R422 wow *whooooosh*

I understood R423. I was ignoring your pathetic attempt at whataboutery when the discussion was about Chinese and how they are smarter than Indians.

R424 my mistake, usually you racists are less wise to those things so you understand why I wouldn’t have given you the benefit of the doubt.

Hundreds of dalits killed by a private upper caste army. Old video though. 1999

You might want to reconsider buying rurally grown Indian food products, until the time that open defecation stops. Some small villages, such as those along the Kerala coast were found to have 100% rates of Hepatitis B in random tests.

I used to buy TastyBites Indian food (shelf-stable curries, etc.), made in India. Then I saw this and I just couldn't anymore.

Don't watch if you're eating.

R434 I've eaten brain curry in India and it's delicious! And no, you can't have my things.

R416 The caste system is as old as the world. It comes from the Indo-Europeans and the Vedic tradition back from 3000 BC back when the Aryans moved from the steppes to Europe, India and Iran. If anything British and Western influence are the reason why it's now abolished in the Constiution and many, many Indians don't consider it anymore for marriage etc, especially in big cities and industrialized areas. That's why Hindutva hate so much Christians and Muslims, because their values are the total opposite, with the latter two being in favor or an egalitarian approach under one God.

Tibet was no better. So what. Countries have/had castes.

Ignore that shorter version at R438.

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Famous channel.

Is WION news basically BPJ Fox News?

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Hilarious: music from "Serial".

Here is another

R445, it makes the local news the US. It happens every 1/2 second in India.

Read the novel A Fine Balance, it is heartbreaking and brutal, but it really brought home to me a lot of what has lead India to the point it was at towards the end of the 20th century. I asked a professional book club organizer which book she would recommend as the best one she ever had for book groups and she said this one and returns to it often.

Yes, that is one of my favorite books.

Why are they all shitting by the train tracks and hanging out by the train tracks? Are they hobos?

India protecting its empire like a boss. Keep 'em down, India!

R451 was sarcastic, BTW.

Just can't build big in India.

Foreign automakers have found it difficult to gain a foothold in the value-conscious Indian market dominated by Maruti Suzuki India Ltd.’s cheap cars. The government’s high tax regime, which imposes levies as high as 28% on gasoline vehicles, has also been a major roadblock. Toyota Motor Corp. last year said it won’t expand further in India due to high tariffs, while Harley-Davidson Inc. has exited the market. General Motors Co. pulled out in 2017.

Ford India had a market share of just 1.42% in August, compared with 1.9% a year ago, data from Federation of Automobile Dealers Associations showed. The local units of Japan’s Suzuki Motor Corp. and South Korea’s Hyundai Motor Co. together control more than 60% of the market.

The retreat by Ford is a further blow to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Make-in-India program, which encourages companies to manufacture locally. Tesla Inc. has urged Modi’s administration to allow it to import cars more cheaply before it commits to setting up a factory in the country.

Ford was one of the first global car companies to enter India when the economy opened up in the early 1990s. The company first set up shop in 1926 but shut down its initial operation in the 1950s.

They’re all too busy shitting by the train tracks to build anything

I read that you can't sleep in India without being attacked constantly by mosquitoes and bedbugs. Maybe not in the 5-star hotels, but in general. Not my idea of a pleasant stay.

I have spent a ton of time in India and never had problems with mosquitoes are bedbugs. I wasn't staying in 5 star hotels either. Where are you getting your information?

I couldn't tell you exactly - but I was thinking of going there and I read lots of books and websites/blogs about living there. And I particularly remember one talking about all the blood spots on the hotel walls from people squashing bedbugs.

That may be true at the very low end hotels. Look for a 3 star.

I expected racism and ignorance. That's exactly what dl gave me.

R461, much of what’s being said here is backed-up with references and video footage.

R454 There is a reason you don't drive a luxury car in India.

R463, ugh some of those are horrific!

Chaos. Looks like riots in Wisconsin.

Rr462 this thread is full of references of ignorance and racism. But nice try, dumbass.

R469, examples?

Ahem.

1. Caste; and 3. Nobody knows where babbies come from. IN 1947 300 million Indians. Today 1.4 billion.

In 1980 the typical Chinese twice the income of the typical Indian, but TEN TIMES THE WEALTH. Today, the gap has widened not dropped.

India is reason why China will never become democracy.

Remember ten years ago when Indians confidently predicted they would take over the world?

Nowadays you can become a certified forecaster! If someone tells the Indians this, they may might do better.

Forgot where I read this, but something like: in their culture, only the lowest caste can clean a toilet. They either think it's nasty to defecate in an enclosed room in a building (one official said what could be better than to relieve yourself in the beautiful, healthful countryside air, with nature all around you?) -- or they can't lower themselves (status-wise) to bend down and clean a toilet so if you go outside, voila, problem solved.

Unfortunately, their habit of going outside, suitably away from their homes, to relieve themselves in the early evening, has proved an excellent opportunity for rapists to grab teenaged girls -- and rape is sorta ok in India, or at least, considered to be more shameful for the girl than the rapist. So dads might pay a rapist to marry his daughter to make everything right with the world (and their "status") again.

I mean, if things have been done this way for many millennia, how can they be wrong?

India sounds horrific

But the Indian cock is so good.

I always think of this song with India.

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Yikes.

Highly problematic. Some democracy.

Overpopulation plus a abominable caste system plus a corrupt government.

It’s tough for any near-tropical country to get pass the disease burden and become a world power.

India is coming close with each decade and has made impressive strides economically.

Just 60 years after Independence, the US wasn’t doing so great either

Untrue, R486. By 1840 American per capita income had (once again) surpassed that of the British, having been previously high than the British prior to the war of independence (including accounting for slave households).

*higher than

R486

1835 per capita GDP:

UK per capita (not PPP): $3861 -- #1 in nominal terms

US per capita (not PPP): $3420 -- $2 in nominal terms

Netherlands per capita (not PPP): $3360 -- #3 in nominal terms

Factoring purchasing power, US per capita GDP was very likely higher than the UK.

12 days ago.

It's almost as chaotic as America.

Massive protests over the hijab ban yesterday.

Can't build anything in India. Chaos will destroy it. Sounds like America.

R487, in 1840, the US had an economy based on slavery. Plus, it was heading into a Civil War because of it.

Half the US was about to secede into a new country at that time, so no, the US was not doing that great

R493, control for slavery, since India has it right now, and is headed for mass unrest and possible civil war given BJP policies towards the huge Muslim minority. Apples to apples.

Modern-day slavery and oppression in India.

Caste is slavery.

Woot.

Girls, girls, America and India are both hellish and chaotic!

(Just kidding.)

But the men are sure cute in India.

They're modernizing quickly. Bullet trains are on the way.

It IS incredibly strange how China has been able to rise as an economic power, while India, much freer and tolerant, is stagnant, relegated to call centers and being the world's virtual service providers. And they aren't even good at that.

The Chinese are just more cutthroat. And China has risen only due to a combination of having a hate hard-on for the U.S., and for investing in a decades-long program of corporate and intellectual espionage which has essentially given them all their technology. The Chinese have never really developed any technology of their own, which is something most people don't pause to realize. They have no innovation to speak of, just manufacturing. But the west's addiction to their cheap labor has made them rich and powerful, which is a bad combination for a warmongering, soulless society such as China.

India, on the other hand, at least has values of kindness built into its culture. They aren't so kind to one another perhaps, but they aren't generally known as an aggressive society, they don't seem to put economic prosperity or global influence at the top of any lists over there. Even getting Britain out of there was done through mostly peaceful means. They have a smattering of billionaires who themselves seem soulless and seem to have little loyalty to uplifting their people. Add that to their caste system and the unchecked misogyny in the way women are treated and you see clearly why India isn't really going anywhere, anytime soon. The society as a whole doesn't seem to have the motivation or stomach for it. They're their own worse enemy.

R503, you sound like a child. A child who knows nothing about China except what CNN and BBC feed you. "Warmongering" China? Really? In the same sentence as "the west"? OMG.

I thank god that on a person-to-person level, Indians and Chinese get along just fine. Peaceful trade and tourism will build more ties between them.

I read somewhere (can’t remember where, but a credible source) that India simply doesn’t have enough water to provide adequate indoor plumbing for their population. Obviously they have plenty of coastline, but I guess the the engineering requirements make an impractical source. I think having a significant portion of the population shitting in buckets and on the street is going to hold any country back.

[quote] It IS incredibly strange how China has been able to rise as an economic power, while India, much freer and tolerant, is stagnant,

India hasn't been stagnant at all, with a growing middle class and economy.

No tropical or subtropical country has become a world power because of the incredibly high burden of disease in these places. Northern countries don't have to deal with disease carrying bugs (although climate change is bringing some of that up north).

[quote] Caste is slavery.

Caste is alive and well in the US.

[quote] No tropical or subtropical country has become a world power

The issue isn't becoming a world power; India is most certainly a world power, given that it has nukes. The issue is high-quality development. And yes, as you say, disease does limit development. As far as I can tell, Singapore is the only tropical country that's become an IMF Advanced Economy.

R508, and your point? Both are miserable, violent, chaotic countries.

From today.

[Quote] As far as I can tell, Singapore is the only tropical country that's become an IMF Advanced Economy.

Singapore is basically a city

Sadly, the whole strongman politics that has infected the world with Trump, Putin, Netanyahu, Bolsonaro, etc, has infected India too, with Modi.

Of course along with that comes religious extremism.

Until India finds a way to deal with its human excrement problem and join the 18th century with proper local municipal and urban sanitation systems, there is no chance for advancement.

ODOR

As a tech culture, India is a millennial, and so we all know who India blames for all its problems.

China had the 1-child policy from 1980 to 2015. That's 35 years. That says a lot about a country. Even if a percentage of the population broke the rules, the majority of the population did stick to having 1 child.

R512, so what? So is Monaco and the Vatican. Do you know what they've achieved since Malaysia expelled them and they had to go their own way? And r507 said "country" and Singapore is a country with a seat at the UN.

So *are

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[quote] As far as I can tell, Singapore is the only tropical country that's become an IMF Advanced Economy.

r509 Made by ethnic Chinese. I don't know how much clinging to the backward religions has also played a significant part in addition to caste and appalling sanitation systems. And no population control? Dragging everyone down.

Today from the Economist.

China centralized government and one party system allowed it to easily and rapidly reform the country from a dirt poor shithole to a major economic and technological power in just few decades.

India on the other hand is a federation of many states many with own language, culture and history all entangled in complex bureaucratic hell. And unlike communist China cracked down hard on religion and superstitions Indians proudly clings to it to this day.

India is an enormously fragmented, diverse country. It's almost ungovernable. The British "united" India, and that was arguably a huge disservice for the long-term economic development of its component parts. Maybe there would have been an Indian state today without colonization, like Amartya Sen says here, but I doubt it.

Maybe they need a one child policy. How could anyone exist in such an overpopulated country?

But freedom, R525! Democracy and freedom are fundamental, right? That's what America, Australia, and the UK say...

Indian professor on British colonialism in India.

I like their exuberant dancing.

And their pelvic thrusts.

This sums it up.

Nothing but bump bitching going on Datalounge tonight R529 R530.