Gays That Are Anti-Capitalism

No!....nor could they live without Instagram, TikTok, OnlyFans, etc etc...and all the other offerings Capitalism brings.

Could they live a minute under socialism?

And live in a real, physical sense—not a metaphoric sense.

(No)

This is different from Breeders how? Everyone's like that these days.

I'm not anti-capitalism but the phone example doesn't work for me. See this cartoon.

I could live without the predatory capitalism we have in the US. There's no reason it can't be managed to benefit people.

R6...Predatory capitalism, that's perfect, as people have no idea the extent to which they're solicited these days, nor the extent to which they patronize those opportunities taken. I feel that very, very few of the goods/services we acquire today are sought out of a genuine, independent need or desire. Everything's unwittingly instigated through sources no one really suspects. Just look at all the bad make-up & cosmetics that have been sold simply because people have thought the person hawking them just stumbled upon a great product. None of those products are honest pitches based on personal experience.

I know so many gays who full-blown communists it’s not even funny. Do they not know what communists have done to gays??! They always turn around and say that that wasn’t real communism.

Yes, I could las a minute without my phone. OP, maybe define a longer time - an hour during the day, maybe not but I can make it 8 hours when sleeping.

[quote]Do they not know what communists have done to gays??!

That’s probably the appeal.

Scandi-Socialist here. Not a perfect system, but the best that's feasibly possible. Anything more radical than that is just unrealistic. Ideologies always look good on paper, seldom work that way.

I've never owned a cellphone, and plan never to have one if I can possibly escape it. (I'm anti-religious, and don't believe in the Apocalypse, but I swear to Glob that smartphones are the closest goddamned thing to the 'Mark of the Beast' I think I've ever seen.)

That aside, I see no intrinsic connection between "phones" and "capitalism" - there's no reason phones could not exist in a non-capitalist milieu. This is just another wacky-ass far-right attack on the imagined terrors of socialism, like those who claim socialism will take away hamburgers, or the right to have kids, etc.

[quote]Could they live a minute under socialism?

I'm not sure what you imagine socialism is, R2. We all already live under socialism, and wouldn't even really have smartphone plans and technology without the corporate socialism and the subsidization of communications giants that's currently being practiced.

[quote]Do they not know what communists have done to gays??! They always turn around and say that that wasn’t real communism.

Do you not know what Christians have done to gays? Was that not 'real Christianity'? How about Islam? How about capitalists, and the nuclear family norms they imposed? How about what straight people have done to gays? How about subsistence farmers under feudalism? How about doctors? Priests? Postmasters General? Terrible things have been done to gays by all sorts of people, carrying out all sorts of occupations, under all sorts of systems. It's generally absurd to try to make out that atrocities characterize the systems under which homophobic individuals lived - unless it was codified or specifically enjoined by a system like, say, the Christian bible?

Let's look at the "communists" to which you allude. When it came to dealing with homosexuality under something like Soviet Communism, the cultural and sexual mores under which they criminalized and persecuted homosexuals was informed by the already-established cultural homophobia of the Russian Orthodox Church. All of that Christian sexual baggage concerning sex outside of marriage, which kinds of relationships were proper, that children born outside of wedlock were bastards, women who slept around were whores, as well as homosexuals being damned - all of that came from the underlying Christian culture of the Russians. None of that lapsed or went away simply because of a Soviet government. It remained unchanged for the relatively brief 72 year span of Soviet communism (1917 to 1989). The current Russian Federation (ostensibly capitalist, but really more a right wing kleptocracy, kakocracy, or kakistocracy) is more anti-gay than the USSR was. Using Russia as an example, your point regarding communism is not made.

Are you taking about our cell phones made in Communist China?

The problem is American isn’t just capitalist; it’s predatory, malignant capitalist. It’s capitalist for the wealthy when they are doing wealthy and then suddenly becomes socialist the second the economy dives and the wealthy lose money.

The poor are treated like slaves and rarely get out of the repression cycle.

We need to be more like Europe—Capitalist economies with socialist safety nets. Pay for education, healthcare, child care—the basics of living—and everyone is happy and fine

OP, Europe, Canada, Australia all tax the Rich much more than here. Do you think people are doing without mobile phones there?

Do gays are who are totally all in on capitalism forego their Social Security, Medicare, free roads, law enforcement, and all other public services?

The OP is being disingenuous.

The US constitution had clear notions of REGULATING commerce (and capitalism). Had that blueprint ever been followed, we'd be in far better shape. It didn't take long for the rich and the corporations to water down and weaken every provision for governmental regulation by financing the election of corrupt officials and courts. The history of capitalism is that, unchecked, it always devolves towards monopolies and plutocracies. Adam Smith quite rightly saw the benefits of capitalism for a nation of 3 million farmers, each competing and pricing agricultural products in a way that kept a balance between profits, costs, and labor, with a little bit of reward for the farmer who was a little cleverer. He could not possibly have anticipated a situation where we now have 3 million farmers who work for 10 agrigiant corporations who set the prices arbitrarily in secret meetings and screw over the public (consumers) AND the farmers. There's no reason in the world that we should have 25 flavors of toasted oats, each one priced at $2.49 . Unfortunately, we're stuck in an ideological world where people PRETEND that Adam Smith's vision is still the model we should follow, when the facts on the ground are that his vision doesn't exist anymore.

Not me!

Would I say that I am "anti-capitalism"? No. I AM however, against unethical and/or criminal profiteering. I am against plutocracy because it goes against democracy. But, since the majority of our society consists of uneducated (or wrongly educated) sociopaths, they believe those unfortunate offshoots are simply the welcome PERKS of capitalism.

R2 I lived in socialism for awhile as a child before Yugoslavia colapsed, so yes I could.