James Dean really wasn't that attractive.

If you say so OP.

YOU'RE TEARING ME APARTTTTT!

you must be perfect op

OP, please post a selfie. Thank you.

OP- The REAL problem was, James Dean really wasn't a GOOD actor.

R3 and r4 seem triggered. Did "anus mouth" hit too close to home? 🤔

The whole is more than the sum of his parts. I guess OP doesn't know how to discern beauty.

Go watch your wholly ugly face in the mirror, OP.

I think he was way hotter after his head was torn off after his deadly car accident. He'd be a taxidermist's dream! James Dean's head please. And yes he was a terrible actor. Why he is "legendary" is just bogus.

OP, I never got it either.

Nerdy hometown basketball player wearing glasses James Dean frankly was way hotter than Hollywood Icon James Dean.

I like the James Dean as portrayed in the movie, "Joshua Tree - 1951".

I would agree that the real thing was not that good looking, or that good of an actor.

It's annoying when an OP tries to speak for everyone. Could have said "Do you think Dean was attractive" but no, she insists that her opinion matters more.

OP's single by the way. Anyone surprised?

R12 = James Dean fanboi, keeping the candles in his home shrine burning despite being under imminent foreclosure

R8...He lived (drove) fast...died young.... and left a good looking (depending on opinion) corpse. I guess that gives "legend" status.

He was a human ashtray. So what?

Marilyn Monroe was a drug addicted whore with mental problems.

There I said it.

He never does anything for me in stills but on-screen, seeing the way light plays off his features, it works. He's got that magic thing the screen loves. The weird angles all add up to something more.

He photographed well and had several iconic shots. His tragic death sealed the deal.

He photographed well and had several iconic shots. His tragic death sealed the deal.

He photographed well and had several iconic shots. His tragic death sealed the deal.

According to his latest biographer, Rock Hudson thought James Dean was a “prick.”

I'm not a big James Dean fan or anything like that, but I can understand the fascination he holds for many people. He lived fast, and he died young, and that's a recipe for a legend right there.

IA number of years ago, I had the eeriest dream about him. I was walking along a street somewhere, and Dean drives up in his silver Porsche, opens the door and asks me if I need a drive somewhere. I got in, and we drove to a long, narrow building where there seemed to be a party going on. Then, the dream just faded.

It was the brooding thing he had going on. Or smoldering, if you like.

Some would say brooding, some would say smoldering.

At the time, he was something extremely different. He had a vulnerability that made you want to mother him. And, he had less than subtle sexuality that appealed to both men and woman. I do agree that his early death helped make his career.

Hot-takeism witaf

His characters appeared vulnerable and flawed. He wasn't afraid to show it...even under his "coolness". That's catnip to many girls, women and maybe some gays. The studios knew what they had.

R16 Even in that gif he looks retarded. He could never NOT look retarded in any scene he was in.

...catnip *for....

[quote]soft body

Perfectly sculpted gym bodies were not really a thing then.

I wonder....did the, "live fast, died young...leaving a good looking corpse" start with him...his death?

80 years from now ….people will look back at our time and think…..what a sexually obsessed and emotionally shallow group those homosexuals were back then.

The fact that OP felt the need to post that is a key reason his legend has lasted. Like Marilyn Monroe, he’s perfectly imperfect. People are constantly picking him apart and trying to figure it out.

He had a great build and great hair.

He was never a sex symbol or talked about because of his looks like Tab, Rock or Troy.

He wasn't pretty, but he had a "let's fuck" vibe, which can be very attractive.

Watch that screen test with Paul Newman...There was something about him

R28 but he was a rebel, or so I've been told. So be should either have been enormously fat or loin-tighteningly ripped.

R31 really, which people? Name five

[quote] I wonder....did the, "live fast, died young...leaving a good looking corpse" start with him...his death?

There was Jean Harlow before him.

R30 yes because people eighty years ago were so enlightened, I'm sure people eighty years from now will be so different from us!

R38 eek!

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[quote] He was never a sex symbol or talked about because of his looks like Tab, Rock or Troy.

That's because he was already dead before the public really noticed him. His treatment by them would of course have been really different had he lived longer. By dying so early he became a legend, but he also became de-personalized.

I'm not throwing James Dean outta bed. You guys go right ahead.

I stayed in the bungalow at the Chateau Marmont where he climbed in the window to audition for Nick Ray for “Rebel Without a Cause.” I could still hear the echo of moans as Ray penetrated him — it was eerie.

I lived less than 12 miles from where Dean's car crashed.

He used to visit me at nite and loved haing his ass licked.

No, he was very fucking cute. Non studio shots show that. He did look ancient next to Sal Mineo in REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE, though. I've only seen parts of GIANT but his character seemed supremely annoying.

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Ugh, r46. He looks far older in that photo than he was in real life.

Can you imagine if he'd lived? He'd have looked like the crypt keeper by the 1980s.

[quote]I think he was way hotter after his head was torn off after his deadly car accident.

Oh honey, you're thinking of Jayne Mansfield. And even then you'd be wrong. Jayne makes her appearance at trhe 20 second mark.

I don't even think he would have had Steve McQueen's career trajectory had he lived. He would have ended up in some Spelling prime time drama in the supporting cast.

He had a hot ass. I'm sure, everyone in Hollywood back then had a taste of it.

It’s exciting to think what could have been. I’ve heard that said before r50 about dean ending to on some Spelling show, but in my opinion quentin Tarantino would have rescued him in the worst case scenario and given him some sort of revival.

I think he would have ended up with a sort of Dennis hopper career.

Paul Neman looks like old leather here. He was still as handsome as fuck his whole life.

Dean was more interested in pushing boundaries and hated the phoniness of Hollywood. He probably would have had a Marlon Brando style career. Both were bipolar and lived for shocking people.

R53 I was thinking the other day that as handsome as Paul Newman was he always looked older than his age. I find it hard to believe he was only 40 in butch Cassidy and the sundance kid, I’d put him at a good looking 50 years old.

I also think he comes across as way hotter in non-posed (or at least not filmic) pictures, ESP. when he's wearing glasses. Poster upthread is correct when he/she says the hotness is more noticeable on film. The camera wanted to fuck him six ways from Sunday.

Receding hairlines really age a man. Of course, smoking and drinking and a not so good diet also play a part.

Thank you OP! I agree & his acting is camp. Each year his icon status fades

James Dean is as annoying as Salinger to me. Whiny, pretentious, think they're hot shit because they have ONE good movie. Giant was good because of Rock and Liz, Dean was ok in it. He has a supporting role. I never saw the appeal, he seems like a nasally brat, not a bad face, ok body for the time, but Jesus, to have to listen to him - no thanks.

I wonder if he would have done stage work. I imagine William inge and tennesse Williams would have wanted to work with him. I also imagine he would have been up for roles like ‘hud’

He was a very photogenic teenager

R59 I don’t consider giant his great movie, I’d say rebel without a cause and east of Eden are better.

[quote]YOU'RE TEARING ME APARTTTTT!

The first time I heard that was when it was sampled in a Joni Mitchell song. I thought, "Which community theater did she record THAT at?"

It was his Young, angst against society that made him so hot. And his cool jackets.

R63 doesn’t gene wilder pay homage to it in bonnie & Clyde too?

He was a great beauty and a wonderful actor who likely would have had a career similar to Jack Nicholson's. Dean was near-sighted which gave him a yearning quality that appealed to moviegoers. He's fantastic in East of Eden and Rebel Without a Cause and has many fine scenes in Giant.

OP, I feel the same way about Marilyn Monroe and her supposed "great beauty". She was average looking but she had charisma and the camera loved her. Same with Dean. A lot of Hollywood stars, past and today, are average-looking, short and awkward off the camera but they transform themselves in film. You can be naturally beautiful but have no charisma or star quality.

Attractiveness is an opinion and OP is entitled to his stupidly wrong opinion.

The OP is an idiot. James Dean was quite handsome. And he was "popular" not because of "his nose" but because of his screen charisma. In all his movies it's HIM that you look at; you can't take your eyes off him. The same was true for Marilyn Monroe. They both had that quality.

Never thought James Dean was as hot as Paul Newman or pretty Warren Beatty. But he had a certain charisma. I think this photo shot is sexy as hell!

Hollywood tried to recreate the James Dean image with plenty of squinty-eyed young actors in unconventional roles like Matt Dillon, Charlie Sheen, River Phoenix, Keanu Reeves, Leonardo DiCaprio, Luke Perry, James Franco (even played him in a biopic), Brad Renfro, Ed Furlong, Shia LaBeouf, the list goes on...

Did Warren Beatty have that same lower lip implant as Cher?

Dean looked better in candids than Beatty.

Beatty had pretty eyes but he proved that large lips aren't always attractive. Ol' Fish lips ass.

R72 I know Warren isn't looking so good these days, but he's like a 100. He did hold on to his looks for a long time. I fell in love with him as a child because he was pretty and masculine. He was the prettiest man I ever saw. I just really enjoy a pretty face on a man. And his body was pretty good too.

Warren Beatty was sort of a poor imitation of dean for a while. In ‘all fall down’ and ‘splendour in the grass’ and ‘lilith’ I sort of cringe watching him “act”. I hate to be all Hepburn but you can see the mechanism ticking. I really only like him in ‘shampoo’ and ‘the parallax view’ when I think he had found his own identity.

R37 This three hour old thread has 76 posts and counting.

R76 He was good in Bonnie and Clyde and Reds too. Not the best actor and I think he had a slight stutter. But he was so pretty. And I LOVE him in Heaven Can Wait.

I find Dean way hotter than most Old Hollywood just like with Monty Clift, Paul Newman and Marlon Brando, they had personalities and they weren't just vessels. Hudson, Beatty, Wagner and Redford were pretty but kind of bland to me.

Warren Beatty is clearly a very smooth operator but he's never drawn me in as a screen presence. When I think of "Shampoo," I think of the women - even little Carrie Fisher. I don't think of Beatty at all.

Dean never could've directed a film as great as Reds though -- think Beatty's a better director than actor, but gosh he was beautiful for awhile

OP is looking at a photo of Donald Trump.

Beatty's face was too long. He could be easily done up as Frankenstein's monster in the pic at r81. Did women say he was a good lay?

Dean and Brando were the first actors to portray teens are they really are. Before them it was Andy Hardy "Golly gee dad!" bullshit. For teens in the 50s it was electrifying to see someone on screen they could identify with.

Boomers grew up with the hoax that was the Cold War and also the hoax that Monroe or Jimmy Dean had beauty and talent. They were whores for the film studios, then they died.

[Quote] Dean and Brando were the first actors to portray teens are they really are. Before them it was Andy Hardy "Golly gee dad!" bullshit. For teens in the 50s it was electrifying to see someone on screen they could identify with.

Have you seen "Mildred Pierce"?

We're still talking about Dean and Monroe today. The studios couldn't make us do that.

Warren Beatty was a lean, mean fucking machine with a pretty face. He was also a lazy bitch that didn't make many movies. But if he was passionate about a project (Bonnie and Clyde or REDS) then he would work his ass off. He was pretty back in the day before Brad Pitt.

Teens weren't flocking to see Mildred Pierce.

Beatty has similar, girlishly pretty eyes as Zac Efron.

He had a boyish look about him. It doesn't matter what your physical features are, if you have that young, naïve quality, everyone will be attracted to you.

Teens flocked to see Frank Sinatra. Was he the original teenager?

I can’t not see some of Shirley MacLaine in Beatty’s face. That’s a deal breaker for me.

R87 Yeah, Boomers are talking about them relics of 100 years ago. I'll be so happy when all the Boomers are dead.

Ben Whishaw has never made it as a bonafide movie star. He's a character actor. He's useless for the mainstream majority to project their romantic fantasies onto him.

[Quote] I'll be so happy when all the Boomers are dead.

Why do you visit the Data Lounge?

[quote]Ben Whishaw has never made it as a bonafide movie star. He's a character actor. He's useless for the mainstream majority to project their romantic fantasies onto him.

He gets work because of his boyish quality, not specifically his face or acting talent.

Both Jimmy Dean and Ben are both gay too. So they also have that in common. I think Ben is more on the hot nerd side.

JD was very attractive. I would have loved to hold him kiss him sleep and fuck with him. Everything.

What I want to know is why that ugly woman who later played on Seinfeld said she was engaged to be married to him? Did she remind him of a man? James Dean could have had any in a long line of beautiful beards. Why pick an ugly beard?

Beautiful beards are a pain in the ass. Ugly ones are more grateful and less high maintenance.

I never knew about the circumstances of his accident that killed him. I assumed that he was speeding in that Porsche, lost control, and crashed. There was another car involved (google is my friend). There was a passenger in the Porsche..and some believe that the passenger was the driver at the time. The passenger survived. Dean's car was traveling straight, by an intersection when another car, driven by Donald Turnupseed (yep, that's his name) proceeded to make a left turn...and crashed into Dean's car. It slid into a fence approx. 45 feet away from the impact. Clearly, Turnupseed was at fault. In a deposition, it was ruled as an accident...both contributed in some way. He got cleared off on any citations. Some believe that Dean (or maybe the passenger..assuming he was driving) was speeding at the time...up to 90 mph. If he was going that fast, the car would have flown way beyond the fence...into a pasture, maybe 300 feet. The aluminum car would have been totally shattered. The car was a mess, but kept pretty intact.

*proceeded to make a left turn, traveling the opposite direction.^^

R29 - ..."live fast, die young, and leave a good looking corpse...." is a quote from the 1949 movie Knock On Any Door.

It's said by John Derek....as a young hoodlum accused of murder.

Thanks R104..

Jimmy's anus was a lot bigger than his mouth.

When I’m wearing my James Dean belt buckle and primping in the mirror, I could swear he winks at me sometimes!

I don't get all the love for Sal Mineo on DL either. He was his cutest in Rebel, but after that, forget him. He just looked like a doughy Italian guy.

James Dean really wasn’t all that attractive. Tragically he passed away in his youth and at the prime of his looks.

I always thought James Dean ushered in the whole concept of "coolness". True or not?

Dean’s charisma, which includes looks and personality, projected big time and most importantly has endured. A lot of his photos have a timeless quality in addition to portraying a sensitive yet rebellious personality that wasn’t limited to his time (1950s).

His best acting was in East of Eden where his use of body/ body language was quite terrific in building a vulnerable character who’s always seeking validation and not necessarily affection.

I was obsessed with Dean when I was 17 or 18 (this was late 90s). He had this ethereal quality. And, as someone else said, a yearning quality that my teenaged self fell in love with. I didn't care about his beauty one way or the other. He wasn't my type. But I did want to be him.

"Boomers grew up with the hoax that was the Cold War and also the hoax that Monroe or Jimmy Dean had beauty and talent. "

You are truly a moron if you think that the talent and good looks of James Dean and Marilyn Monroe was a "hoax." Or maybe you're just a pathetic troll trying to get a rise out of people. Anyway, you're really stupid.

Good-looking slobs who seem vulnerable are really seductive. James Dean, among other things, was one. Just like Marilyn Monroe (another slob).

That's a good photo of him at R111 .

James Dean was edgy and a bad boy and that was sexy. Plus he died as fast as he became famous thus the mystery, the melancholy that young girls and boys crave.

Cancel him, OP! Knock over his statue at Griffith Park Observatory! If the dead offend you - if they're not as beautiful or ideal as you'd like them to be - ATTACK!

Still a style influence/ icon after almost 70 years.

[quote]The car was a mess, but kept pretty intact.

The car was part of a touring exhibit promoting auto safety. It disappeared a couple of years later and hasn't been seen since. Probably the most valuable wrecked car on the planet.

Quite big tits.

He sure had some nice dick-sucking lips. I'm sure all those movie execs were lucky to fuck Dean in the mouth.

He was hot trade who got opportunities to be in pictures nothing more.

How many gay movie execs were there back then? People always mention the agent Henry Willson but what about the execs?

Dean’s agent was Dick Clayton, I think?

Never smoked so he held no charms for moi.

[quote] I don't get all the love for Sal Mineo on DL either.

He looked a lot like Ralph Macchio. Neither aged well past their early 30s

Ralph Macchio? The Karate Kid? He's aged incredibly. He was never sexy, though.

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Newman definitely hit that. So did Dick Davolos.

Raymond Massey hated working with Dean on East of Eden. I read that in a biography it was because he did not improvise unlike Dean, who did and it made Massey furious because he couldn’t respond in kind.

Warren Beatty and Paul Newman were both handsome and sexy. I guess Paul didn't have to worry about being outshined with James Dean standing next to him.

I heard stories and tales of how sexy James Dean was when I was growing up. Then I watched Rebel Without a Cause and thought... That was him? The legendary icon? He wasn't even a good actor.

Massey was also very religious and was deeply offended when Dean mocked an Old Testament scripture by inserting profanity into it for laughs. Saying, "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not suck cock." That caused a lot of tension.

Massey was especially peeved during this scene, when Dean - unscripted - practically crawled up on him.

Dean was a piece of work for a lot of people he worked with. He didn't seem to like the Hollywood crowd much either. He had his small group of friends like William Bast and Barbara Glenn.

[quote]I stayed in the bungalow at the Chateau Marmont where he climbed in the window to audition for Nick Ray for “Rebel Without a Cause.”

I was in the Chateau Marmont bungalow next to Nick Ray's when James Dean mistook my bungalow for Ray's. I screamed and threw an ashtray at his head. That was the beginning of his love of pain for sexual pleasure.

Ahem.

OP's next thread: "Marilyn Monroe was ugly and I don't know why any man would want to fuck her."

R138 has no idea how to write a good headline.

Since his death, every actor with dimples and who affected an outsider cool, sensitive persona is wishfully hailed as the next James Dean. But no one came close to the original because he really was that persona and more. One could argue that Paul Newman benefited from not having to compete for roles with Dean. Newman was also mire establishment Hollywood than Dean ever was, so it’s hard to guess what trajectory each actor would’ve had if Dean didn’t die so young.

What Kazan also said about Dean:

When they first arrived in Los Angeles to begin production, Elia Kazan accompanied James Dean to visit his estranged father, who was living there at the time. He witnessed first-hand how badly the father treated Dean and how much the boy wanted to please him. As he got to know Dean better, Kazan saw how this relationship had instilled in him a great deal of anger because of frustrated love, the key to the character of Cal: "It was the most apt piece of casting I've ever done in my life."

“Elia Kazan denied rumors that he didn't like James Dean: "You can't not like a guy with that much pain in him . . . You know how a dog will be mean and snarl at you, then you pat him, and he's all over you with affection? That's the way Dean was."

Who was a better actor? Dean or Clift?

Clift

OP has committed sacrilege. James Dean was one of the most beautiful twinks ever to hit the screen. I love how his features have that cross between an all-American hearty look and European sensuality. And what seemed a nice tight little body and great ass.

I'll never forget the first time I saw Rebel Without a Cause, circa 1999. The iconography of Dean had led me to believe he was some kind of tough, macho guy on screen. Instead I was confronted by this almost oozingly soft, vulnerable presence. That sensitivity was just not something I was used to seeing in men on screen. I was totally smitten.

River Phoenix had that quality.

Bisexual bottoms are always hot.

There is a funny Leonard Rosenman interview where he talks about James Dean asking him to play basketball. Dean says something like, “it could kind of be like you’re my dad.” Rosenman’s reply was something like, “get lost, you fucking creep.”

Dean was genuinely close to Eartha Kitt.

But, I guess if you really want the facts, just ask Peter Lawford.

R142, though Clift and Dean were often placed together, as they were both Method actors, the two had very different styles: Dean was a very external, expressive actor, his face (and body) a flood of emotions; Clift was much more internal, combusting from within, but softly. Compare Clift in A Place in the Sun with Dean in East of Eden - they’re practically polar opposites.

What do you look like, OP?

Never mind, your post explains everything.

“Jimmy inspired a lot of jealousy in people” - Sammy Davis Jr. posting on DL from beyond the grave!!! It’s like he’s reading the thread!

But what was the dick like?

He looked too old to be a teenager in Rebel Without a Cause, he looked about forty.

R149 the thread called, it made similar low-hanging comments in the first ten posts.

What an idiotic thread.

"He looked too old to be a teenager in Rebel Without a Cause, he looked about forty."

No, he didn't, you blind twat.

He was punk.

I always skip the first 10 to 20 posts, R153

He looked like Stockard Channing in GREASE when he was next to Sal Mineo.

OP is so used to seeing the InstaHo generation of men who spend 2 hours a day working out to get a deformed body, use countless beauty products, and filter their pictures that he doesn’t realize that at one time men actually looked like men.

I always get the sense he would have been a nightmare to be around. He seems extreme either too playful in the screen tests with Newman and Davalos or too intense as demonstrated by his dramatic performances. There seems to have been no in between. As for all the celebs who claim to have known him well… it seems he was too popular to be presented as such an “outsider”. I hate when celebs rewrite history and make themselves out to be some Zelig who knew everyone and dodged numerous bad events… like the Manson murders…

[quote]At the time, he was something extremely different. He had a vulnerability that made you want to mother him.

I don't see how that was any different from, say, Montgomery Clift, who conveyed that same vulnerability years earlier with "A Place in the Sun" and "From Here to Eternity." In the former, there are several scenes of Clift being "mothered" by Elizabeth Taylor, with his head either on her lap or against her bosom, like a wounded manchild. I don't think filmdom had ever seen a leading man be so passive, and frankly, I don't find it very attractive. What I do think James Dean was successful at was taking the vulnerability of Clift and combining it with the brooding sexuality of Brando, albeit watered down. He didn't swagger the way Brando did, but he wasn't as passive as Clift either.

[quote]I always get the sense he would have been a nightmare to be around.

Umm you just described 90% of actors and actresses.

I thought Richard davalos was better looking than dean. I always wonder why he didn’t do so much following “east of Eden” he was probably competing with Anthony Perkins and John Kerr for the sensitive boy roles.

Dick Davalos admitted that he never really liked being an actor, which likely explains why his career never really took off after "East of Eden." Acting was just a job, not a career.

And as R160 observed about Dean being too intense, Davalos said that just being in a scene with Dean could be an "unnerving" experience because James had an "instinct too disturb." The shoot was an exhausting and draining experience for him. Also, when they returned from their location shoot, Davalos begged Kazan for separate rooms because Dean was impossible to live with because of his mood swings, slovenly personal habits, and horndog Dean's sexual attraction to him.

Dean was a notorious scene stealer and Rock Hudson hated him for it.

Yes, Dean added the rope-playing bit, and Hudson tried to counter by fussing with the contract and cash. He lost.

Dean absolutely does steal that scene, R165! He's fucking mesmerizing. I haven't seen Giant in decades. I seem to remember him over acting - but maybe I'm confusing that performance with Rebel.

He's subtle and near perfect.

I would have fucked him.

R154 It’s not. Wondeful to read what people think of him. For me he is one of the most handsome movie stars ever. Strong yet very sensitive.

R147, But that's not funny.

R23, Legend, not career. Hardly career.

R29, We doubt it.

He was young and pretty. That's all. Lots of people would become 'iconic' if they were captured on film in their youths and then died young.

Traditional tragedy is dying before you grow old and ugly.

Tragedy to gay men is living beyond beautiful years to become old and ugly.

John Gilmore who knew James Dean in NYC claims that Dean was a top. Dean wanted to fuck him, but Gilmore couldn't go through with it because he had never been fucked.

Let's diagnose. Bipolar?

R174 Gilmore “knew” everyone and has a story to tell about everyone, I don’t really believe him. Isn’t he like Darwin Porter- and they always happen to be dead so no one can sue…

oh yes… his terminal homeliness placed him amongst society’s very dregs.

I seriously doubt Dean and Brando were both bipolar. It wasn't like today where every Millennial turd has every personality/mood/psychotic disorder known to man.

Gilmore may be a liar - but the comparison the Darwin Porter is a bit extreme.

"the" = "to".....

Honestly, someone who could have used a dose of intensive facial help was his costar Julie Harris (!)

Never did a thing for me. And his over-the-top intensity was embarrassing.

A lot of his intensity and OTT emotional output in his acting may have come from unresolved issues from being a victim of sexual abuse by a trusted minister. The minister preyed on a vulnerable 11-year-old Dean after his mother had died and he moved to Indiana to be raised by family members. The abuse had lasted for years with the probability that a confused young teenage Dean believing it was a loving fatherly relationship. There are some biographies and interviews that touch upon it. What we now know about male adult survivors of sexual abuse is that they suffer shame but also some try to justify it because it’d help erase some of that shame. They do this more so than women. Add into the mix Dean’s rejection by his father and you had a boiling cauldron of pent up emotions that weren’t explored at the time. Had he lived, perhaps he would’ve found acceptance and closure in psychotherapy. In the 70s, sexual abuse began to be a more focused area of therapy. But in the 50s it was still a taboo subject even within confines of therapy.

He was definitely on a self-destructive path and most of his sexual relationships were with older men with power. I'm sure he was bipolar and had BPD too especially since he lashed out a lot at people, was an insomniac and also was obsessed with attention and identity. He stalked Brando and Clift to the point, both made sure to avoid him. The women like Liz, Julie, Eartha and Natalie in his life took pity on him and saw him as a lost little boy.

Morrissey’s homage to Dean. Video shot in the Indiana town Dean grew up and is buried.

R134 Punk chewed everything but my foreskin.

Dean would be identifying as a non-binary sexuality fluid queer if he were alive today.

And would be a purple haired 90 year old with a hot young lover.

R184 we don’t have enough evidence to diagnose him as bipolar. What we do know is that he was a victim of longstanding sexual abuse, and as a man during that era he had to have shouldered some immense pain and confusion. It likely impacted his personality up to that point. 24-25 years of age is just about the time that our brain stops developing, the prefrontal cortex specifically doesn’t stop fully forming until that age.

I think he was starting to process it when he’d admitted the abuse to Liz.

He was no Sal Mineo

R148 most of his sexual relationships were with older men with power.

I don’t know if it’s discussed in his biographies, but a friend of mine who worked in NYC at the time said it was common knowledge Dean was kept by some television exec during his early years there.

R183 So not only is he bipolar but also has trauma issues from being sexually abused. Here's some news for you, stupid fuck, everyone and their dog in Dean's day were getting fucked by their daddies, uncles, brothers, neighbors. No one was immune from it.

Oops… meant to quote, like this:

[quote]R148 most of his sexual relationships were with older men with power.

I don’t know if it’s discussed in his biographies, but a friend of mine who worked in NYC at the time said it was common knowledge Dean was kept by some television exec during his early years there.

[quote]R191 Here's some news for you, stupid fuck, everyone and their dog in Dean's day were getting fucked by their daddies, uncles, brothers, neighbors. No one was immune from it.

If only we could go BACK IN TIME ! ! !

R191 you are way invested in this. I actually diagnose patients with mental health disorders including bipolar, and sorry to tell you but it’s impossible to pin a bipolar diagnosis on a 24- year-old who died in 1955. Especially someone whose life and lore have been subjected to lies, innuendo, and recalibrated remembrances of friends/ contemporaries.

R178 You type like a turd with a psychotic mood disorder yourself

[quote] I seriously doubt Dean and Brando were both bipolar. It wasn't like today where every Millennial turd has every personality/mood/psychotic disorder known to man.

Brando wasn't bipolar. He did have a different kind of nature, just a lot more open than most people. He wasn't hung up on this-or-that sexual identity, he was an extremely sexual being and he brought that to the screen and to his personal life, but he was also a moral being who sought out knowledge and then acted upon what he learned. He refused an Oscar to draw attention to abuses of Native Americans, which obviously rubbed some people the wrong way, but he took a stand about something for which he felt deep compassion.

Brando seems to me as if he was an uncommon empath who was open to sexual feelings, open to loving or befriending anyone, open to advocating for others who had lesser voices, and he drew from that empathy in his acting. One of the reasons he is considered one of the great film actors of all time, not just movie stars, is because he gave more emotionally authentic and less theatrical types of performances than almost anyone had before him. Prior to Brando, people performed histrionically the way they do in stage productions. Brando seemed to channel his characters and he performed them in a way that appeared to make them believable human beings who felt things. I think he probably just did this naturally because he was so empathetic.

Being empathetic doesn't make a person sentimental and only compassionate; it means that people can understand and *feel* all kinds of feelings, healthy, destructive and otherwise, when exposed to other people or when exposed to writing that elicits those feelings. This is unusual, and if he had any reputation of behaving strangely on set, it's probably because he was caught up in the emotions of the characters he was portraying, and people at the time were professionals who performed in a different way to be shown and heard but not as deeply felt.

Listen to him talk in this interview. He was sincere. And he doesn't seem mentally or emotionally unstable at all.

I love how you revolting cunts try to "diagnose" everyone with questionable crap. Methinks you cunts are full of shit. You cannot diagnose dead people with your bullshit labels. Who gives a fuck what they were. They're dead!

If Brando were as empathetic as upthread is trying to pain him, he would have been a better partner and father...

*trying to paint him

Dean is over rated as an actor. He's absolutely distracting in Giant, with his hammy, scenery chewing antics. Had he not died young he would probably have had an interesting career. His tragic end was a great career move.

[quote] He was hot trade who got opportunities to be in pictures nothing more.

So the Tom Cruise of the 50s.

I thought "trade" meant nonreciprocal?

Love this shot of him and Richard Davalos

Brando was very socially conscious but that doesn't mean he was a good person to others. He was said to be very mean and abusive to his partners and children and other actors and directors have their stories to tell. People in Hollywood even back then tend to lead left-wing, so it wasn't like Brando was the only person with those views.

[quote]R200 He's absolutely distracting in Giant, with his hammy, scenery chewing antics.

Being surrounded by non-acting black holes Liz Taylor and Rock Hudson in GIANT makes him look like he’s doing more than he actually is.

He’s actually a glorious actor.

[R205] Taylor and Hudson were both great screen actors, particularly Taylor.

And Hudson and Taylor are both fantastic in Giant, actually better than Dean, who's very erratic in the film.

Dean was a fish out of water in 'Giant.' Director George Stevens never gave actors notes or direction, just expected them to hit their marks and say their lines. Dean was emotive and improvisational. Stevens hated that.

He would have came out of the closet in the 60s or 70s during the Sexual Revolution. He wasn't even good at being closeted in the 50s. Though we don't know if he would have still been a big star past the 50s.

[quote]R207 Hudson and Taylor are both fantastic in Giant, actually better than Dean

Yeah, um… Stevens was so disappointed in Taylor’s inability to display emotion on GIANT that he finally jammed her in too-small shoes and an uncomfortable hairdo for one scene so she’d show [italic]something,[/italic] even if it was just a wince.

And I don’t think Stevens kept all the outtakes between Rock and Liz to show guests an example of great acting, either, like he did those between James Dean and Carroll Baker.

I didnt think he was that attractive either, but he was the first moody broody tortured soul that seemed so contemporary at that time so I can understand why he became legendary. He seemed relatable to the teens of that time. The other leading men seemed so formal or as old as your grandfather and uptight.

Personally, paul newman, marlon brando, montgomery clift were so much prettier.

"Personally, paul newman, marlon brando, montgomery clift were so much prettier."

That's really a matter of taste. I think Dean was as attractive as any of them. And NONE of them had his intensity, his sensitivity. Clift did to a degree, but Dean really outshone him when it came to that raw emotion.

I've never seen a James Dean movie, but YouTube keeps showing me this audition of his because it was GAY.

Dean was definitely charismatic, but he was a very undisiplined actor and that would have been a problem going forward if he was working with lesser directors than the three he had. I think he's wonderful in the first two thirds of Giant, but the last part, where he was supposed to be middle aged was just embarrassing.

And this one.

That screen test with Dean and Paul Newman was very amusing. Obviously Dean was trying to have some fun with Newman by doing things like telling him "Kiss me." Newman, having a good sense of humor, simply banters back. I think if Dean had been with a different kind of actor the outcome would have been much different; some actors would have been enraged at his antics. Rock Hudson was that type; he disliked Dean heartily. Actually I would have taken the uninhibited Dean over the closeted Rock Hudson any day.

Dean had an obsessive crush on both Brando and Clift and emulated heavily them in his acting. He stalked them, wrote letters to them and tried calling them repeatedly. Brando who had met Dean in NYC got sick of it and gave Dean the number of his psychiatrist. Clift never met Dean in person but was annoyed by Dean constantly trying to call him that he had his phone number changed. It's rumored that Brando and Dean had a sexual relationship but there's nothing to confirm it and I don't think Brando would have lied about that.

They were both closeted, no?

“Homosexuality is so much in fashion it no longer makes news. Like a large number of men, I, too, have had homosexual experiences and I am not ashamed. I have never paid much attention to what people think about me. But if there is someone who is convinced that Jack Nicholson and I are lovers, may they continue to do so. I find it amusing.”

—Marlon Brando to biographer Gary Carey in 1976

‘Let’s say sex has no sex’, Brando later stated acknowledging sex with men.

Dean was hot but his cum probably tasted like cigarettes...And after reading this thread I'm starting to think he may have been patient zero for the HIV

It's really interesting to think what would have become of Dean and Monroe had they lives to see the Sexual Revolution and aftermath.

Growing up, I only saw photos of him and couldn't figure out his appeal. Then I saw his movies on a big screen and I swooned. (Mary! I know...) He had "it."

r219 Brando was such a pretentious queen!

I'm not sure why but I think the "oozing sex" tag used for James Dean could also be applied to Bo Sinn.

Perhaps he's James Dean reincarnated?

Patricia Bosworth's biography of Montgomery Clift stated that when hearing of James Dean's death Monty, who was in bed at the time, "threw up across the white satin sheets." He said "James Dean's death has a profound effect on me. The instant I heard about it I vomited. I don't know why."

Clift probably deeply regretted not getting to meet Dean and letting him fuck him.

No, Clift (who I adore) probably realized what a petty queen he himself had been. And how he’d had an opportunity to help someone younger who greatly admired him , but instead just retreated to an easy place (dismissal) that made HIM alone feel good.

Actors are self centered.

Or maybe Dean's death made Clift feel some kind of survivor's guilt? Because Dean had tried to contact him and he thought that if he had responded it could have prevented Dean from dying somehow. I mean since Clift was a star, I don't think he was a stranger to being stalked but he didn't expect one of his admirers to become a movie star and then die unexpectedly.

I love thinking about how he would have continued into the late 50s and 60s and onwards. A few parts that come to mind, I see him working with Sidney lumet and Katharine Hepburn in “long days journey into night”, probably the dean stockwell part and while I don’t see him playing cops in the 70s I wonder if he couldn’t have fit into a role like Pacino’s in “dog day afternoon”; aside from this, I’m thinking directors would have tailored roles for him for the chance to work with him. I don’t think he would have had to rely on an Aaron spelling career revival in the 80s by that time though he may have begun slowing down.

Bo Sinn has a gigantic hog that oozes on the regular (all manner of stuff, I expect). If he had a small dick, no one would be talking about sex appeal.

Um… hello?

R217 Articles and books have been written about their sick love affair, you stupid cunt.

R232, were those books by reputable academic presses? Were the articles peer reviewed? (More like "leer reviewed" amirite?)

R233 like anyone needs to prove anything to a fucking idiot like you.

R234, put down the meth pipe, hunty.

[R210] Stevens, whom Clift regarded as more a technician than artist, had already worked with Taylor in the spectacularly successful A PLACE IN THE SUN by the time they collaborated again on GIANT. I doubt he had real issues with her acting ability or lack thereof. In terms of actors and their opinions about acting, Richard Burton thought Taylor was a genius as a screen performer, an assessment I agree with. Given Taylor's later, hyper-dramatic performances (SUDDENLY LAST SUMMER, VIRGINIA WOOLF, most of her 60's and 70's output) I doubt directors needed to resort to slapping her or putting razor blades in her high heels to get her emotions going.

I always thought Taylor was better in her earlier movies than her later ones. She became studied and a little fake whereas earlier she had an ease that she lost.

He was naturally photogenic.

That's about as handsome as someone can be, R238. Damn.

Attractive doesn’t always have to be classically handsome. He oozed sex appeal yet wasn’t a classic Adonis. Handsome enough or he wouldn’t have been a major star.

James Dean was a Dionysus, the "Dying God." Beautiful, vulnerable, emotional, captivating.

Newman nor Brando were all the above. Only Montgomery Clift came close, and then primarily as unsympathetic characters ("A Place in the Sun," "The Heiress").

And only James Dean among them spoke to an entire generation on the cusp of a generational revolution.

His only other compatriot was Elvis.

R241 Nope. He was known to never shower, so he stunk to high heaven. His method acting made him look retarded. Watching any of his scenes now you are embarrassed for all involved. His whole life was built on self-destruction, so at least he succeeded there. Only delusional Boomers think highly of him. The rest of us roll our eyes and say whatever.

[quote]r236 In terms of actors and their opinions about acting, Richard Burton thought Taylor was a genius as a screen performer, an assessment I agree with.

If you realize Burton was a husband talking about his meal ticket, it makes sense.

R242, Your first five sentences are completely irrelevant to my post (r241).

Your final two are absurd on their face.

[R243] He wrote it in his diary after they first met and worked together. Not everyone is as cynical as your are.

For r242.

The camera loved him.

Not according to that photo at r246

He didn't have a soft body for movie stars of his era--it was considered an extremely nice body in the 1950s.

I wish i could have seen what kind of actor he would have become. He overacts ridiculously in "Rebel without a Cause," and his Method acting seems to throw everyone off kilter in "Giant" since no one else is acting in that style. He's better in "East of Eden" because there are other Method actors in the cast.

He was more ‘cute’ than conventionally handsome.

I thought his draw was that he was cute and he was groomed early on to take cock by his pedo pastor? Basically, a perfect fit for Hollywood.

By the time he landed in LA, or was it NYC first, he was ready to ride or blow whatever cock was waved in his pretty face in order to get ahead. Sort of like a less high Corey Haim. Fuck and suck at the drop of the hat. He would have been tossed aside one way or another.

That giant forehead would have only got bigger with his hairline receding. I don't think he would have maintained his icon status like Brando did.

The original Luke Perry, looked like a handsome 40-year-old while in high school!

R252, he would have transitioned to character roles had he not died. Looks would have been less important then.

"Only delusional Boomers think highly of him. The rest of us roll our eyes and say whatever."

I guess you're a troll. Or a retard. Probably both. Definitely the latter.

I wonder if he could have played Holden Caulfield? If Salinger ever allowed a film adaptation in the 50s. I think Dean would have been perfect playing the mentally unstable and emotionally neglected little rich boy Holden.

He looked a little old for such a role, no?

R251 If Dean was smart, he would have moved on to writing or directing which he seemed to have an interest in. Haim was a bit of an airhead and easily exploited same with Marilyn Monroe. Dean was more intelligent and savvy. He was the hustler and exploiting the sugar daddies for his benefit and moving onto the next.

Was Dean into drugs?

R255 Quite the insult with your single digit IQ, cunt.

Yes, I think Dean would have moved on to directing films in the 60's.....

So many people have enjoyed Jimmy Dean's sausage!

He was ugly. Johnny Depp was way hotter and became a bigger star.

I can't quite picture Dean doing stuff like cynical cash-grabs like Pirates of The Caribbean or Willy Wonka. But then again Johnny did those to fund his drug addiction and alcohol habits.

R260, you're pitiful. A sad excuse for a human being. And when it comes to stupidity you are the epitome of it.

R265 Just shush, Janbot. No one needs to read your psychotic nonsensical rants.

r264 Pirates 1 holds up as a damn good adventure movie with state of the art CGI that still holds up well enough today. It was like Shrek, every sequel made me wonder who asked for more of this shit?

James Dean and Tab Hunter, born five months apart, were both hot young stars at Warner Bros. and had the same agent (Dick Clayton). One was clean-cut All-American, the other, not so much.

Hunter didn't say in his memoir whether he fucked Dean. Wouldn't they have made a fun couple? More than Tab with creepy Anthony Perkins.

I expect Dean would have been thoroughly bored by Tab.

Dean was a poor farm boy from Indiana, abandoned by his asshole father, lost his doting mother at an early age, was molested by his minister who he trusted and became a hustler who sucked and fucked anyone to get ahead in the theatre and film world. Most of his supposed relationships were with powerful older men and his female relationships could have been bearding situations. He had a fucked up life and probably was still figuring out his sexuality. He pissed off a lot of established actors in Hollywood with his behavioral issues. So who knows how his career would have fared if he didn't stop alienating everyone?

Op is Helen Keller

R273 yes, yes, that comment was already made upthread.

I wonder what state of decay his body is in right now.

I've seen less attractive people than James Dean.

“ wonder what state of decay his body is in right now.“

The flesh is just a vessel , it rots . Jimmy’s soul is eternal

Fun fact, James Dean was friends with Maila Nurmi (aka Vampira). When he died, the press attacked Maila and accused her of doing some type of witchcraft that resulted in Dean's death. Additionally, Maila refused to sell the rights to her character to ABC which angered network execs. As a result, The Vampira Show got cancelled despite being huge in the ratings. Typical misogyny of the 1950s.

I always wondered about that. Why everyone was so into his looks. Same with James Franco, who portrayed him in a TV movie.

[R279] Bullshit made up by crazy Maila Nurmi. Please produce a single press clipping in which she was accused of "witchcraft." Utter nonsense. And spare us your "misogyny" crap - women were far more revered in the 1950's than today, when femininity itself is vilified in favor of angry, hairy man-women who despise men and children.

R281, autistic incel

R203... Richard Davalos... talk about amazing looking. I just saw East of Eden and couldn't get over how perfect he was.

I wonder if Jimmy banged Natalie Wood?

Wasn't Natalie having a fling with Nick Ray during Rebel?

[R282] Hirsute lesbian.

R286, hates women. What a tard

Anyone with a basic knowledge of history knows women weren't "revered" in the 1950s. If they were so revered then why weren't women in positions of political, economic and social power? The US is quite the puritanical country and even more so in the 1950s with all the Communist witch hunts and fears of racial integration and intermarriage. Maila already was pushing the boundaries by dressing in black in a skin-tight outfit that showed her cleavage and portraying an intelligent, liberated and funny female character in Vampira. James Dean was not a typical Hollywood star, he was a beatnik-hipster who hung out with other misfits. Though I agree that Maila exaggerated her friendship with Dean like many others have after his death and posthumous mega-stardom.

R288 Just DLers talking out of their cunts, as they always do. None of it has to make any sense or have any basis in reality.

"They Live By Night" directed by Nick Ray and starring Farley Granger and Cathy O'Donnell was sort of a prototype to Rebel Without A Cause. I wonder if Dean (and Brando and Clift) took influence from John Garfield. Because Garfield had that tough-yet-sensitive acting style and played angry working-class rebels but added a bit of nuance to it.

[R288] Dumb, superficial pop culture analysis based on conventional wisdom and cliches.

As of 2012, 26% of American women were on some kind of mental health medication for anxiety, depression and related problem. Wooo hooo!

Dear Mr. Ed Wood:

I will appear in your film "Grave Robbers From Space" under the condition that I do NOT have to speak any of your puerile dialogue. Thank you.

He was photogenic, had a hit with east of eden but died suddenly in an intriguing, shocking way, he was the first teenage icon to do so, and kids went beserk. The medias built a legend around him. Only 3 movies! (false) Doomed love with Pier Angeli! (false) et c . He was sold by WB as the young hetro stud, whereas he as was gay as a pink flamingo, a tortured genious whereas he was merely a little broadway trick trying to hide his skankiness. He's so severely limited you kinda cringe thinking about him in BATTLE CRY or any part that would require to stand on 2 feet. he was 5"1 or something. unkempt and rather dumb by all accounts. He was NOTHING like Tab Hunter who will be forever punished for his beauty and his vulnerability. Many fraus on DL are actually part of his original stans . they see now that he was nothing much but he's become a symbol of their innocent, Eisenhower era delusional years and they hold on to that nostalgia. The postwar frau teenager trifecta = Dean/Monroe/Its-all-because-of-Yoko

[quote] As of 2012, 26% of American women were on some kind of mental health medication for anxiety, depression and related problem.

good. That's what you get for killing babies

[quote] I wonder if Jimmy banged Natalie Wood?

God forbid, lady resident frau of DL, he was much in love with Pier Angeli

"Fraus" weren't the only ones enthralled by Dean though. Elvis Presley based a lot of his style off of Dean in Rebel Without A Cause and Marlon Brando in The Wild One. Brando, Dean and Elvis together inspired the greaser subculture of the 50s and 60s which later influenced late 70s-early 80s punk style. Dean was a style icon and many young actors were modeled after him.

Jimmy Dean liked exotic, unusual women. His interest in Maila Nurmi stemmed from his mistaken belief that she WAS her character Vampira. He thought she was into the occult and satanic arts and he found that fascinating. He soon lost interest in her when he realized that she was just play acting, just acting as a tv character; she was not really in death and demons and all that stuff. He was pretty silly to think that "Vampira" was real.

I think he was gay but was attached to strong women that reminded him of his dead mother who was said to be free-spirited and eccentric.

R297...unfortunately

guess who knocked Elvis off the charts ? a guy who was THAT attractive

Let's not get carried away about the significance of that.

Shelley, the most significant thing about it was that Jack Warner was pissed that another company was making money off of one his stars, so he created Warner Bros. Records in response.

R288 Maila Nurmi had a Finnish name and there is a mystery where she was born, either in Finland or Massachusetts. Anyway, at least her father was Finn. She lived a long life and died in 2008. Interesting detail, she had a child with Orson Welles but the child was given to adoption because Welles was married at the time.

[quote] Wasn't Natalie having a fling with Nick Ray during Rebel?

If by "fling" you mean he put his dick quite deep inside her, yes, she was..as was she with dennis hopper, nick adams, most of the crew, the stuntmen, the extras, the guards on the lot, random customers of the Chateau marmont where they were rehearsing, and passers-by

Tell us about the dick you've had, r305.

resident frau triggered alert @ R306

It's funny how Maila was pissed off at Cassandra Peterson for her Elvira character. Claiming that Cassandra ripped her off. Cassandra obviously was playing homage to Vampira but she added her own distinct personality by making Elvira a bubbly and sarcastic 80s California girl. And also Maila clearly based her Vampira character off of Morticia Addams from the Addams Family comic strips. I think Maila was bitter because The Vampira Show faced unfair backlash and her career faded shortly and she never got the chance to profit off the character the way Cassandra did with Elvira.

R305 is lying jealous queen

Oh puh-lease, Natalie was a notorious whore, and she was fabulous because she OWNED it , unlike you hypocrites. When she was at graceland with Elvis and he wouldn't fuck her, she grabbed his bodyguard in the corridor , asked him "are you gay too" and fucked him on the spot, Elvis's mom threw her out

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Every gal claimed to have been in love with James Dean. From Ursula Andress to Liz Sheridan. How much of it was true though?

R312 nothing...at least Tab was honest. Natalie even said that Dean was fascinated by his own fake love story with Pier Angeli and would buy any gossip rag he could that was mentioning it

James Dean never stalked a girl like he did with Brando and he never tried to kiss a girl during a screen test like he did with Paul Newman. He never had any tensions with a girl on set like he did with Rock Hudson or Dick Davalos. He seemed gay or at least a gay-leaning bisexual.

R314 seemed gay ? he was a kept boy in NYC and a well known trick

Even liz taylor said he was a virgin with women. Where do you fraus come from , another galaxy ?

Link to Elizabeth quote?

Not that attractive? I'd have hit it. And I would've asked Brando to come along for the ride. Sadly, Newman wouldn't have participated. But fuck me, he was gorgeous...and a genuinely lovely person it seems.

James Dean was a bright student. For example, he placed 6th NATIONALLY in a high school forensics tournament.

His father didn't "abandon" him.

Dean, through acting, I believe, wanted to show reality---the same way fiction can give insights to real life.

There would have been no point to his portraying Holden Caulfield. Dean already had been Jim Stark.

[quote] ...and a genuinely lovely person it seems.

WHAT??? DEAN??? He was a complete narcissist, a stalker, a mental cas and a bully to natalie wood. What are you even talking about ?

Proof r320

No, R320. Paul Newman. Brando would've been next in regard to likeability, followed lastly by Dean.

Oh brando is "likeable " now ? ...okay

Was his hole loose from all the studio execs he presented hole to?

James and natalie in "I am a fool", their first movie together (Natalie was on nose #1)

What was narcissistic about James Dean? He was difficult and moody but there's no reports of him being a bully or abusive to anyone. A lot of people spoke fondly of him like Nick Ray, Sal Mineo, Liz Taylor and they just said he was misunderstood and only acted out for attention but there was a still a method behind his insanity. He seems more emotionally stunted and neurotic than full-blown narcissistic. The fact he rejected a lot of the Hollywood lifestyle and preferred the company of a small few like-minded creative people shows he actually had more depth than most. There's even a letter he sent to Barbara Glenn where he complained about LA and how much he missed NYC.

R324 he had to wear diapers because he couldn't hold his turds. it was in his contract

R326 Carroll baker among others wrote in interviews how mean and vicious he was to Natalie because of her affair with his lover nick Ray and her celluloid princess status

Dean had affairs with women; Pier Angeli, Ursula Andress, Dizzy Sheridan. And who gives a fuck what Liz Taylor had to say about him? She barely knew him.

R329 you're ridiculous

[quote] , he placed 6th NATIONALLY in a high school forensics tournament.

complete BS, he was a poor student, dumb as fuck, even Kazan said he had the IQ of a cat and directing him was like directing an animal. Tricks and treats

We just know he wasn't straight. Maybe bisexual and he definitely loved dick and none of his girlfriends could have reigned him in.

they "studio girlfriends" not real girlfriends; he was a prostatute for older men . EVERYBODY knows that. I'm okay with star gossip, but serious gossip, not frau stupidities like "dean was STRAIGHT I TELL YOU"

R330, just because YOU want James Dean to be exclusively gay doesn't mean that he WAS. You're the ridiculous one. And R333, you sound unhinged, you poor dumb twat. The fact is that Dean DID have relationships with women. Dean, by all accounts (and by that I mean testimonies from people who actually knew him), was a "dabbler." He "dabbled" in many different things, and that included sexuality. He had sexual relationships with both sexes. but didn't seem like he wanted a committed relationship with either of them. He fucked around with men and women. Sorry if it bothers you that he wasn't exclusively into cock.

ProstAtute? Really?

James Dean had boyfriends like Rogers Bracketts (though he was a sugar daddy), Bill Bast and Jack Simmons. I'm sure he and Nick Ray had a thing too. The fact Jimmy tried so hard to contact Marlon Brando and Monty Clift makes it seem he wanted to be more than friends with them. It's rumored he and Brando had a sexual relationship and Brando dropped him like a hot potato. I'm sure he would have eventually fucked Sal Mineo who wanted his dick like crazy.

R334 yes dear, and Santa DOES bring you presents because you're a good little gurl

R335 is new here

Keep believing that James Dean was into nothing but cock, R337, if it makes your life more bearable, you sad, silly twat.

Liz Taylor, yeah I agree she may not be the most credible. But Nicholas Ray, Gavin Lambert and even Liz Sheridan said Dean was bisexual.

R339 no no I see you hurting. Dean was straight honey. Sorry I lied . I don't know why I did that. Of course he was into women, lots and lots of women. I only said he was gay because I have a sad and lonely life, and I want everybody to be as miserable as I am.. he had tons of girlfriends, he loved them. he wanted to put his penis in them...all the time...

And I think Dean would have opened up about his sexuality had he lived longer just like Sal Mineo and Farley Granger did. He probably become a director and still hook up with hot young guys.

R341= unhinged right up the ass

Jimmy was only 24 when he was killed.

He was "experimenting."

With cock up his ass. Frequently.

Just a phase.

R323 Absolutely likeable. Loveable, even...though worse than the crime of rape in making "Last Tango In Paris", was the fact that he allowed himself to get enormous. I love him, nonetheless. There's a lot to admire.

I don't think I've ever heard the word "likable" used to describe Marlon Brando. Nope, never heard THAT about him.

Brando was a colossal asshole and not a good person

R119 what am I then?

Brando was a very arrogant, bitter, hateful and a fry person. There's tons of information about his sexually abusive nature. Just because he was talented and good-looking (though his looks peaked early) and took up social causes doesn't absolve him of that. His arrogance was part of his appeal when he was young though.

*angry

R331, STOP with the lies, you moron!

James Dean was a high school (Class of 1949) Indiana state champion in Dramatic Speaking, and 6th nationally. This is easily proven with documentation.

R335, That's RIGHT! He was a PROSTITUTION WHORE!

Janes Dean was smart. He managed to flee his bumfuck hometown. He was a pure hustler who took every opportunity that came his way even if it meant fucking and sucking every old fart. He survived NYC theatre and made a name in Hollywood despite his eccentricities. He was assertive and not going to end up used and abused.

Mmmmm, Jane Dean was brilliant. So smart he stalked Brando and let him put out his cigarette butts all over his smelly lil body. Jeeeesasssss.

The poster on this thread are the nadir of imbecility! dean was straight! brando was likeable! wood was a saint!

[R304] Malia Nurmi was a pathological liar and I very much doubt she had a child with Orson Welles she "gave up for adoption." This reeks of bullshit. Orson Welles did however have a "love child" with Geraldine Fitzgerald, director Michael Lindsay-Hogg.

There was a documentary about a child Orson Welles and Rita Hayworth gave up.

Unfortunately he was a shut-in aspie.

[QUOTE] Orson Welles did however have a "love child" with Geraldine Fitzgerald,

everybody knows that's not true, this thread is a disaster

Sorry… it was about Welles and Hayworth’s secret [italic]grandson.[/italic] Now I’m confused.

PRODIGAL SONS (2008)

signed - r357

Rita Hayworth is much more fascinating and more beautiful to me than Marilyn Monroe. She had a tragic life too. I guess because she lived to an old age that's why she didn't enjoy the same legacy as MM.

[quote] Every gal claimed to have been in love with James Dean. From Ursula Andress to Liz Sheridan. How much of it was true though?

He died and became a world-famous icon. They attached themselves to his image and exaggerated whatever flings they had. I'm not saying they didn't have relationships with him but I doubt they were as romantic and ideal as they say. Dean obviously liked dudes more and I bet he would have settled with down a male partner as he grew older. Most bisexuals have a heavy preference for one sex over the other.

[quote]r360 Rita Hayworth is much more fascinating and more beautiful to me than Marilyn Monroe. She had a tragic life too. I guess because she lived to an old age that's why she didn't enjoy the same legacy as MM.

The problem with Hayworth for me is that while she was a superb dancer, her acting is quite leaden and boring (GILDA aside.)

She just doesn’t hold my attention for very long when she’s not dancing.

Rita was great in Gilda and The Lady of Shanghai. Marilyn is not a better actress, singer or dancer than Rita but I think Marilyn is more charismatic and tongue-in-cheek which made her more endearing.

Well, Marilyn was certainly a better singer - wasn’t Hayworth always dubbed?

And MM gave very free performances in Bus Stop and Some Like It Hot that Hayworth NEVER could have approximated.

I don't think Marilyn was a good actress but she was charming and pulled off a good combo of cute yet sexy and had her comical moments. She wasn't a good singer but was distinctive and could carry a tune. Her confidence in front of the camera is really what helped her which is ironic given how deeply insecure she was off camera.

I think what made MM’s persona/life so interesting is she was very contradictory, and even if people don’t pick up on that, it creates tension. She was dumb but intelligent, brashly sexy but somehow innocent, sometimes elegant but sometimes coarse, inept yet talented, a heralded star yet a waif, … there’s just a lot going on with her.

That’s compelling.

Ritra was rather wooden, she had class, couldn't sing, was an ok dancer, lots of charm , charisma and star wattage. Marylin was an extraordinary actress, she started from very low and worked herself to incredible heights. She was a terrific singer, she moved in a unique way, she understood the camera better than anyone and what R366 said

and it's marilyn of course

[quote]r367 Rita was rather wooden, she had class, couldn’t sing, was an okay dancer…

Now JUST ONE MINUTE, young lady!

I’m not gaga for Hayworth, but she was much, much more than “an okay” dancer!

Dean with Perry Lopez

With his fuck buddy roommate Jack Simmons.

[R358] It is absolutely true, smartass. From Wiki: "In his 2011 autobiography Lindsay-Hogg reported that his questions were resolved by his mother's close friend Gloria Vanderbilt, who wrote that Fitzgerald had told her that Welles was his father."

Or do you know better than Michael Lindsay-Hogg who his own father is?

fitzerald denied it, it's completely fake moron just go away you dirty frau

the foul stench of pussy in this thread is suffocating

Little homosexual boys - -

Dean had to butch it up when he started appearing in movies and studios even hired beards for him. He was much more androgynous and flamboyant in those television plays he did in the early 50s.

Dean was a nerdy effeminate theatre kid at heart. He tried to fit into traditional masculinity like playing sports and joining a fraternity but that didn't work out. His true passion was the arts. You can see his effeminancy in the way he hugs his dad so openly and how uncomfortable, disapproving and embarrassed his father looks. Jimmy probably felt like an outsider in his small town and that's where the pastor supposedly was able to get to him and sexually groom him. That didn't make Dean "sexually confused", the predator recognized that Jimmy was different and had a troubled background that's how he was able to prey on him. Dean got connected with a sugar daddy when he started attending UCLA and that sugar daddy sent him to NYC to study acting. He was a typical theatre twink and was having the time of his life during that period. Then when he got to Hollywood, he had to start appearing heterosexual to be marketable and that tough guy image was projected onto him. He always a natural androgyny and that's why his performances were surprising despite his rugged look.

[R375] You're a flop!

I've never thought Dean was attractive either. Marlon Brando has always been more my bag—in his prime, he was the hottest Golden Age movie star IMO. I can't think of any of his peers who had more natural sex appeal.

No fucking way, cooze. Brando was hottest when he had a 200 inch waistline.

Dean was undeniably handsome. But I guess there are people who, for whatever reason, don't see it. But the fact is that he was. Why do you think there are so many iconic photos of him? He had an incredible face.

Not just his face but his attitude. He had this defiance to him. Messy hair, nervous energy, not afraid to show emotion and disgust, a lot of improvisation, etc. He wasn't a passive model.

R379, jimmy was hugging his dad tightly because his father essentially abandoned him after his mom died . Jimmy was the town’s favorite son in Indiana . He thrived there.

I think Jimmy was bi.

So what about Eartha Kitt’s tales about her threesomes with Jimmy and Paul Newman?

If Eartha Kitt said she had a threesome with James Dean and Paul Newman I would say she is full of shit. Totally full of it.

[quote] If Eartha Kitt said she had a threesome with James Dean and Paul Newman I would say she is full of shit. Totally full of it.

Maybe Eartha considered watching them fuck around and pleasuring herself to be a form of participation.

I bet he had a big hairy dick

Nick Adams was another boyfriend of James Dean.

lol

Benicio Del Toro kind of looks like the Spanish version of James Dean but not as good-looking.

80s Spanish cult actor Jose Luis Manzano bore a resemblance to James Dean. He was also famous for playing a lot of trouble dangerous youths.

[quote]I bet he had a big hairy dick

There was some guy that wrote a book that said he tried to fuck him but couldn’t because James’ dick was too big and it hurt.

So we know Dean topped. That's hot. I wonder if Brando bottomed.

[quote]I wonder if Brando bottomed.

bossy power bottom vibes

R395, William Bast?

R398 Yeah, that was the guy!

R398 it was John Gilmore whose book was mentioned up thread.

Laid Bare is the title.

R94: "Yeah, Boomers are talking about them relics of 100 years ago. I'll be so happy when all the Boomers are dead."

—Anonymous reply 94

Oh, how precious. You actually think you have a future!

R401 Silly Boomer. Believes every lie they told her. Stupid cunt.

R402, Silly twerp. What a piece of shit. Retarded douchebag.

And another interesting thread goes south.....

R403 What a fucking moron. A brain dead tard could come up with better insults. Fucking stupid twat.

"Better insults?" It's that retarded troll at R405 again. Poor thing.

It's a shame there aren't some good nudes of Jimmy D and Marlon B (young)

R406 Janbot and her psychopathic rantings as always. No one missed you, cunt.

He would have moved towards direction or maybe retired early. I can see him continuing his passion for music or writing. I don't think he liked Hollywood and he struggled to fit in there.

R314

What about his screen test with Lois Smith? They had nice chemistry.

What was he 5 feet tall?

R314

“James Dean never stalked a girl like he did with Brando and he never tried to kiss a girl during a screen test like he did with Paul Newman.”

He passionately kissed Paul’s wife Joanne Woodward in this screen test.

JD had a great pompadour. That's it, nuthin' else.

R326

You mentioned Barbara Glenn. While people still question Dean’s relationships with women like Pier Angeli and Ursula Andress, his relationship with Glenn was definitely real. I’ve read many of the letters he wrote to her, equal parts sad and amusing. They were introduced to each other by their mutual friend Martin Landau and dated for two years, often breaking up and getting back together. Her son recently gave an interview about their relationship and called Dean the love of his mother’s life.

Dearest Barbara

I don’t like it here. I don’t like people here. I like it home (N.Y.) and I like you and I want to see you. Must I always be miserable? I try so hard to make people reject me. Why? I don’t want to write this letter. It would be better to remain silent. “Wow! Am I fucked up”

Got here on a Thurs. went to the desert on Sat., weeks latter to San Francisco. I DONT KNOW WHERE I AM. Rented a car for 2 weeks it cost me $138.00. I WANT TO DIE. I have told [Redacted] and 5 others like her to kiss my ass and what stench, spineless, stupid prostitutes they were. I HAVENT BEEN TO BED WITH NO BODY. And won’t untill after the picture and I am home safe in N.Y.C. (snuggly little town that it is) sounds unbelievable but it’s the truth I swear. So hold everything, stop breathing, stop the town all of N.Y.C. untill (should have trumpets here) James Dean returns.

Wow! Am I fucked up. I got no motorcycle I got no girl. HONEY, shit writting in capitals doesn’t seem to help either. Haven’t found a place to live yet, still living with my father—HONEY. Kazan sent me out here to get a tan. Haven’t seen the sun yet. (fog & smog) Wanted me healthy looking. I look like a prune. Don’t run away from home at too early an age or you’ll half to take vitamins the rest of your life. Wish you cooked. I’ll be home soon. Write me please. I’m sad most of the time. Awful lonely too isn’t it. (I hope youre dying) BECAUSE I AM.

Love.

Jim {Brando Clift} Dean

My address is (fathers that is) is 1667 So. Bundy Drive L.A. 25, Calif.

R49

I recommend watching his television work.

I disagree with the original post. The “heartthrobs” of today have nothing on James Dean. He’s a timeless icon.

From Wikipedia:

Dean had an affair with actress Geraldine Page during the production of The Immoralist.[63] Angelica Page said of their relationship, "According to my mother, their affair went on for three-and-a-half months. In many ways my mother never really got over Jimmy. It was not unusual for me to go to her dressing room through the years, obviously many years after Dean was gone, and find pictures of him taped up on her mirror. My mother never forgot about Jimmy -- never. I believe they were artistic soul mates."[64] Page remained friends with Dean until his death and kept several personal mementos from the play—including two drawings by him.[65]

James Dean Risque "Be My Valentine" Sketch. A wide-eyed male, in supine position, with "Be my Valentine" proclaimed on his buttocks. Valentine's Day, 1954 arrived six days after The Immoralist opened on Broadway and Dean was undoubtedly still in high spirits over his reviews -- and still devoted to Geraldine Page, who received this risque offering. Blue ink on white paper, 3" x 5", and in Excellent condition. From the James Dean Museum archive. With COA from David Loehr.

James Dean Arrow Through Woman Sketch. Perhaps another Valentine's Day, 1954, offering from James Dean to Geraldine Page: a woman with an upside-down heart-shaped fanny, pierced by Cupid's arrow. Blue ink on white paper, 3" x 5", with slight staining to right of picture, otherwise in Very Fine condition. From the James Dean Museum archive.

Do you think he had a hairy ass or a smooth one? I'm sure his hole was hairy.

Was he decapitated or broken neck?

Considering how horrible his acting was, I like to always think his head was decapitated then run over and squished by a huge semi.

R423 sounds really retarded. At any rate, James Dean died of a broken neck and severe internal injuries due to being in a car accident that was not his fault.

R424 of course it was his fault, you stupid fuck. Did anyone force him to drive such a dangerous car?

James Dean appeared to be a gay-leaning bisexual. Bisexuals are rarely 50-50 they are more like 80-20. He fucked and dated some women but he clearly preferred men sexually and romantically and I'm sure he would have taken on the gay identity in the 1960s just like other bisexual like Farley Granger did. He was a effeminate theatre geek who had to butch up his mannerisms for Hollywood and did some bearding relationships just like Rock Hudson did. Most 100% straight men would not have lived with older men just for a Hollywood career and Dean surrounded himself with other gay or bisexual identified men and fag hags. He had close relationships with women but they weren't necessarily sexual.

Like Alain Delon

R410

Dean had sexual chemistry with Paul Newman, Sal Mineo and Richard Davalos who he straight up was flirting with in screen tests. He was obsessed with Marlon Brando and Montgomery Clift, stalked them and took their last names as one of his aliases. He seems shy and reserved around Lois in their screen test. In fact, most of his photos and clips of him with women, he comes across more platonic like a little brother to them. While in photos with men, he is free and affectionate. Dean vastly preferred men and was a known ho and it's ridiculous to claim otherwise. He would have moved onto directing and took in younger boyfriends like Sal Mineo did.

I find Nick Adams more interesting than JD. There should be a biopic about his life. I saw the house in which he died.

Adams was "roommates" with Dean:

"Hollywood rumor had it that, since big things come in small packages. Adams was a successful hustler while he and his roommate, James Dean were trying to break into acting. (In some versions of the story, it was actually Dean himself out hustling as well.)"

Should James have won either of his two Oscar nominations DL experts?

R428 He had sexual chemistry with Geraldine Page who said he wasn’t gay.

Angelica discovered some notes about her mother’s relationship with Dean.

“She usually wrote with a brown [felt-tip] pen,” Angelica says. “But there is one page, all in red ink, that says, ‘People like to say that Jimmy was gay. Jimmy was not gay. At least not while I was around. I don’t think we slept once in those two weeks before Jimmy went off to Hollywood.’ ”

R28 He looks close to her in many photos.

R28 Another photo.

R28 One more.

R26 Dean had an active sexual relationship with starlet/escort Lili Kardell in the last months of his life. She’s on the left.

I mean she’s the woman on the right.**

I would also say he had a lot of chemistry with Elizabeth Taylor that comes across in photos. She referred to him as gay at the GLAAD awards but she also said this when questioned about his sexuality in 1997:

KEVIN SESSUMS: Part of the poetry of your AIDS service, to me, is an allusion to your performance in A Place in the Sun. It's as if all of us gay men, all of those living with AIDS, are Monty Clift and you're turning to us in close-up and saying, "Tell Mama. Tell Mama all about it."

ELIZABETH TAYLOR: Mmmmm … yes. "Tell Mama all … "

KEVIN SESSUMS: James Dean?

ELIZABETH TAYLOR: I loved Jimmy, too. We used to sit up and talk and talk.

KEVIN SESSUMS: There's been this postmortem debate about whether he was gay or not. What do you think?

ELIZABETH TAYLOR: He hadn't made up his mind. He was only 24 when he died. But he was certainly fascinated by women. He flirted around. He and I … twinkled.

KEVIN SESSUMS: Better be careful—sounds like water sports.

ELIZABETH TAYLOR: Oh God! We had a … well … a … little twinkle for each other.

See here.

Another.

One more.

I love these photos of him and Eartha Kitt.

Jeez, the fangirls really cannot accept the fact that James Dean could have been gay or a bisexual with a homosexual preference. Gay men don't hate women, we can laugh, talk and have fun with them.

R443 For the record I don’t think Dean was straight, I think he was bisexual.

Are these pics meant to prove James had sexual chemistry with women?

The pic at R434 looks like he's with his mother.

R445 Do you make these kind of drawings for your mother?

Barbara Glenn said the glue that held their relationship was sex.

R431 I think he should’ve won for East of Eden and Giant if he had been placed in Best Supporting Actor.

R423 You haven’t watched his television performances and it shows.

@418 and @432 - I think Angelica (Page’s daughter) lied about that affair in recent years. Why? Could be many reasons, but my reason for thinking this is this quote from 1995: “ There may have been some sexual energy there," says Page's daughter, actress Angelica Torn. "But I think he respected her too much to sleep with her.” The link is below. Why would she hide the affair back then and just now reveal they did have one? And then her mother supposedly says that they didn’t sleep for two weeks before he went west? Implying that all they did was fuck for two weeks. Jimmy didn’t have that much interest in sex to fuck for that long, that consistently based off everything I’ve read about him. He wasn’t that sexual a person, he was both bisexual and asexual.

*Reposting because I didn’t tag correctly*

[R418] and [R432] - I think Angelica (Page’s daughter) lied about that affair in recent years. Why? Could be many reasons, but my reason for thinking this is this quote from 1995:

“There may have been some sexual energy there," says Page's daughter, actress Angelica Torn. "But I think he respected her too much to sleep with her.”

The link is below. Why would she hide the affair back then and just now reveal they did have one? And then her mother supposedly says that they didn’t sleep for two weeks before he went west? Implying that all they did was fuck for two weeks. Jimmy didn’t have that much interest in sex to fuck for that long, that consistently based off everything I’ve read about him. He wasn’t that sexual a person, he was both bisexual and asexual.

It’s just weird because she clearly states in one article that her mother told her the affair lasted three months. Both statements were after Geraldine’s death, so it’s not like she was mistaken about anything. I don’t think it happened. I think he was bi but didn’t have great sexual interest in women, certainly not enough to have this supposed intense fuckathon. It smacks against stories from people like Caroll Baker who concluded that Jimmy was gay or asexual when on the set of Giant he was strictly platonic with every woman.

He was good looking , but imo, it's his effortless and ageless coolness that really stands out, He is the father of cool.

For me, I don’t think of him in terms of coolness, but rather have a kind of identification with him based on his own vulnerability/turmoil/paradoxical inner life. His humanity, not his image, is what fascinates me. I think he’s so relevant and compelling even more so today because his modern-feeling acting style (and lifestyle off screen) feels fresh because it foreshadowed our present inchoate, mercurial modes of identity today, more than even Brando (who I actually think is overrated).

R451 Elizabeth Taylor said Dean flirted with her and was fascinated by women.

R450 This book has other people who confirm the Dean and Page affair happened. And it’s written by a gay man who writes about Dean’s relationships with men as well so it’s not like it’s biased.

I think Dean very well could’ve ended up with a man just like Farley Granger had he lived longer but I think his sexuality is more complex than people make it out to be. I know most people don’t believe in bisexuality, but he did have relationships with both men and women.

James Dean was smokin' hot.

R453. Well said. Dean is a timeless icon.

Sad he didn’t get to star in more movies, but at least we have his television shows.

Like JFK and Selena, James died too early, and in doing so became a legend.

[quote]soft body

Listen, Fassbender, not everyone can survive well on 4% body fat like you do.

I just realized that he holds his head much like Lady Di- tilted down, eyes up. And I think he would have looked like Dean Stockwell when he got older.

There's a big difference between being beautiful and being sexy. Beautiful people can be passive, dull and boring. Often never developing a personality of their own and seeking constant attention and validation. They may be pleasing to the eye but they can get annoying real fast especially since they remind us of our flaws and lack of privileges. Now sexy people are dynamic, they are full of life, they are confident, assertive and take risks to get what they want. They make others feel good and are fun to be around. They may not be classically beautiful but their confidence and sexual energy makes up for it. It's very easy for people to mix the two terms with each other. James Dean may have looked awkward at times but he had the sexy factor done with his squinting and posing and overall confidence and lack of modesty.

[quote]The REAL problem was, James Dean really wasn't a GOOD actor.

He was a good OVERactor.

He was obviously young looking but he also has 'distinguished' characteristics, including some lines on his face and the receding hairline at the temples. I think that both youthful "pretty" features and some aged features are both commonly seen as attractive in a man. Aaron Spellings seems to have split the difference in casting Jason Priestley and Luke Perry in 90210. If they could be spliced together, they'd add up to James Dean.

R464 He was capable of giving more naturalistic performances.

He was better in East of Eden, the TV specials and the teleplays than Rebel Without A Cause.

Elvis and Marilyn both got movies made about them this year. I would like to see James get the same treatment soon, he’s yet to have a truly good movie made about him. He lived a lot in just 24 years and was very ahead of his time.

R467 I also think he’s better in Giant than Rebel Without a Cause.

What's up with all the fangurls in this thread? Usually DL is smarter about the overrated tragic middling talents JD and MM. Monty Clift was ten times the actor (and looker) Dean was...

You’re not overrated when your wardrobe tests are more compelling than most contemporary actor’s filmographies.

"Kiss me."

"Can't here."

I'm not convinced the gays here have better taste than teen fangirls. Judging from all the pop star threads. And it was gay men who helped keep the Marilyn and James Dean myth alive. I agree Monty had more talent.

R465 Jason Priestley was very hot. He channeled James Dean a lot and even got jeans ads.

Another James Dean clone that Jason Priestley played was Teen Angel.