Women who have issues with their husband's interests

Is OP a writer on an 1950s sitcom looking for ideas?

Oh great, another queer bashing straight women to justify and to feel superior about his lifestyle. Go away.

R1 Good one for the eldergays. Unfortunately, it falls flat for those of us who weren't around in the 1950s.

[quote]Why do so many women have issues with the interests and hobbies of their husbands?

They don't.

Harry was immediately taken off going hunting. Does he still eat meat?

What did Katie bar William from pursuing?

Any Gays who won't let their husbands have hobbies?

A lot of it is insecurity. Women tend to be that way, even with their husband having other women friends.

As if r7 and her ilk have the slightest clue about the dynamics of a normal straight marriage.

R6 Maybe among lesbians, but men don't set the type of boundaries and rules that women do.

R8 Go take your festering gash elsewhere. This is a gay forum.

Most women are glad to get the husbands out of their hair.

And you don’t know many straight people if you think that men don’t try to curb their wives’ spending.

Working in used and rare books for many years I would occasionally observe something like this, some husband spending a fair bit on collectible or rare items while the wife waits looking a bit impatient. I could only hope that she was paying attention to his collecting and the amount of money he was investing in it because chances are she will end up with it and have no idea what she has.

I've seen the same thing at the record shop. The man is looking through records and his wife stands behind him groaning and making puppy dog eyes at him as if he's not paying enough attention to her.

This type of behavior is more common among less intelligent women who have no interests of their own.

I'm so glad the whole "She Shed" fad is dying down. Did there really need to be some "counterpart" to a "Man Cave"? Aside from one room in the house for the husband, the rest of the whole freaking house is already her "She Shed". These are total insufferable fraus in this video.

Especially the one at 1:45, "busy mother of three and owner of two businesses...". Let me guess what those two businesses are she "owns" - She shills Avon and Monat.

Some of these husbands should counter back with "You've already got two rooms in the house to yourself - the kitchen and the laundry room".

This type of behavior, as r14 calls it, is more common among people who thought they were maybe going to be spending some quality time with their partner, only to find themselves tagging along while said partner does things that only really interest him or her.

See also: men following their wives around clothes shopping, rolling their eyes in between scrolling on their phones.

Because married heteros are fucking weird. And they do it to themselves voluntarily? It’s so weird.

Why do you queens hate women so much? Because you hate the part of yourself that identifies with them so much and wants to be them and/or they get the straight guts you lust for? Whatever the reason, you need to work it out in therapy and not showcase your pathology on this board. Contrary to popular opinion, THIS IS NOT AN EXCLUSIVELY GAY BOARD. Normal straight women post here too, and your misogyny is beyond insulting to us. It needs to stop.

Married heteros ARE fucking weird. All those joint Facebook accounts JimAndPam Smith... all the cubefraus I know have joked about their darling hubseez not approving of their lame craft hobbies or whatever too, or not being able to accept a lunch outing with friends without "checking with Bob." Straight people have control issues, we've known this for a while.

What planet do you queers live on? Uranus? Lolz. Your projecting your insecurity onto normal straight couples. You sound really stupid and ignorant.

College friend of mine married a woman like this, a couple years after their wedding she decreed that he sell off his sports memorabilia collection. They have a big, tacky suburban McMansion, there was easily enough room for him to keep it but she decreed it was time for him to “grow up.” Cannot stand this woman.

This really is a thing. My partner tells me about his mom, who he was really close to, bitching at his father for years over spending time with his best friend, or working on his boat etc. His dad was a very mild-mannered man and by all accounts, a wonderful person. And I loved his mom also. But he has some horror stories about how hard his mom was on his dad about anything that she wasn't a part of or any hobby he seemed to have.

And memo to R1 and the like: Why can we hundreds of threads here about gays and trans and taking issues with everything under the sun, but you lose your snowflake shit every time someone takes an issue with or posts a thread about women in general? That shit doesn't work anymore. You can't shut us up by bullying us, on a website originally for us, just because you have daddy issues.

I am a volunteer with animal rescue. We often see a man's dog being given up within a year of a wedding. Suddenly a 4-yo dog has become 'vicious,' or 'antisocial.' This is especially true if there is a baby on the way and the dog is medium or large sized.

Similarly, a friend at a car dealer reports that it is often his jeep or pickup being traded in for the dreaded 'minivan'. Rarely is it her coupe or sedan.

I don't have a problem with my husvand's interests. In fact, I don't care about anything he does. Just as long as he leaves me alone.

I’ve only recently had any exposure to suburban life— have always lived in urban or rural areas.

There is a certain type of suburban woman that just absolutely sets my teeth on edge.

3 or 4 kids, 75 pounds overweight, no job or much education. Probably has never worked.

But she’s very controlling... about shit that absolutely doesn’t matter.

I always assume these women are from very trashy, chaotic backgrounds and now they are control freaks because the don’t want to end up back in the trailer.

But, yes, this is the type of woman who will run her husbands Facebook account, have a shared cell plan so she can read and respond to his texts, tell him what he’s allowed to do, etc.

[quote] your misogyny is beyond insulting to us. It needs to stop.

I swear, even on a message board full of complete strangers they feel the need to seize control. Seriously, cunt. Fuck off. Go back to diddling your twat over Trump Jr.

[quote] I'd take any one of Trump's older sons over this junkie looser any day. Don Trump Jr. is particularly handsome.

These dudes should cut the cord to the pussy and go gay. I don't feel sorry for them. They buy the rings, sign the paperwork, etc.

Gay IS the way!

Cunts gotta Cunt.

The MRAs on this board are out of control lately

Absurd!

I saw a trend piece once on Today, and an Everybody Loves Raymond rerun confirmed my suspicions-- women are the worst! Why do we even have them?

I am pretty surprised at the commentary here. I was straight-married at one time, and I still know straight-married people, and this stuff definitely happened to me and continues to happen to people that I know. It isn't the same for everyone, and I'm not a woman hater generally, but... sorry, this happens to a number of people.

Spot on R19. Simply reference R18 A self-identified straight woman (telling us as if we're her charges) "It needs to stop!"

R18 I don't have a high level tolerance for misogyny, or being disrespectful to women generally, but then again I don't have much tolerance for women as yourself. If I were the oddball str8 bird here, I'd fly stealth, and not try to control the very gays you enjoy interloping on, and ignore the rest. You're much too much into controlling others.

I have seen this plenty in my life. It does tend to be older people in my life: early fifties here. I know a lady who made her husband give up a cream puff of an old BMW 635CSI because there was too much money tied up in the car, and she claimed it took time away from her at the weekend. I know another who made her husband give up a band he had been in for going on 17 yrs. I know another who made her husband clean out all the vinyl from their place. It's weird. I don't know any gay couples who do this.

Rent free

R20, fuck off fish lips. Nobody here wants to be you. And R18, you can give yourself all the WWs you want, however you're still an abnormal dumb cunt.

[quote] What did Katie bar William from pursuing?

The Marchioness of Cholmondeley's ass, apparently.

Other things "given up" I've frequently heard about with other str8 couples

The bloke's favourite old T-shirts

Golf clubs, Ski equipment or other sporting goods because "they're old and not used frequently"

Going around to the pub, or hanging exclusively with other men, even when they're childhood mates. These men seem to only be allowed interaction as a couple, with other couples, and very little alone time.

Why does the OP have an issue with women having issues about their husbands interests. Worry about your own business, their husbands don’t want you.

The women on this site are tiresome, why can’t they can’t stand any criticism?

Why do Hetero women feel the need to invade gay spaces?

I have not really observed this behavior with the straight couples I know/hang out with (thirties to forties).

No misogyny allowed on this site, Homophobia is perfectly okay though.

[quote]THIS IS NOT AN EXCLUSIVELY GAY BOARD. [bold]Normal[/bold] straight women post here too, and your misogyny is beyond insulting to us. It needs to stop.

Well, as long as you're normal then, we should all mind our manners and be grateful that you've deigned join our lowly sorts, Princess Gash.

R18, as if people like you don't talk shit about us behind our backs. In your post alone, you referred to us all as "queens", and then referred to yourself as a "normal straight women". So what are we? "Irregular gay guys" then? Nice try.

Oh and your post screams of entitlement btw.

I am a straight woman and refuse to be married because its weird. Its not misogynistic to point out these the ridiculousness of marriage in this modern age. Ps-lots of pissed, controlling fraus on this thread.

[quote]Why do you queens hate women so much? Because you hate the part of yourself that identifies with them so much and wants to be them and/or they get the straight guts you lust for?

They hate themselves. They hate gay men because they think all gay men are carbon copies of themselves. They obsessively stalk straight men because gay men "are just like them" so they don't find other gay men attractive. Then they end up hating straight women because they're envious of them landing the straight men.

And no, we don't want to be like you. If I had to ask for help every time I needed to move something heavy I'd fucking shoot myself.

"I'm a straight woman and ..." is DL's new "I voted for Clinton and Biden but ... "

"I demand to speak to a Muriel!"

I thought it was well-established that straight men like to portray themselves as total victims.

Women don't want their men spending what little time they have outside of work on things that don't involve the family. But it's no different then men tagging behind their wives and kids while out shopping or whatever. It's bizarre how many gay men spend so much time analyzing straight women's lives, even the biggest homophobes don't spend that much time analyzing gays.

Don’t look at me!

Great, another misogyny thread.

Another gay man incredulously proclaiming, "WHY WOMUN DO THING?" 😡

R18, Bitch, don't come on an LGBTQ themed site talking down to us all and telling what we can our cannot say! You're not better than of us just because you're hetero and married.

^any of us

This reminds me of a married couple I knew. The guy was a sweetheart but very much a homebody. The wife thought he should have friends and nagged him about it and then made fun of his admittedly lame attempts. I told the guy who introduced me to them why she didn’t leave him alone about it and then he questioned me about my few friends! We broke up shortly afterwards.

That's not entirely true R45. Gay men who are always finding some way to criticize women do want to be women. Not all gay men, but a good number. I think what they want most is the attention women get (or young women anyway). No one really pays attention to gay men, but who pays attention to women the most? Straight men, and that's who this particular group of gay men wants attention from the most. It's envy or jealousy without logic.

[quote]You get my pussy and that means I own your life.

Get a load of the cunt at R55. No wonder fraus are hated here and not wanted.

I work with a guy who I love dearly. He and I both share a love of video games and Star Wars. I'm a lesbian. We used to talk about these things often and still do. I've known him for 20 years. He got married and the wife no longer "allows" him to play video games. He also cannot wear any Star Wars t-shirts or even decorate his home with some of his collection. He complains about her all the time. They have two kids together but I predict their marriage won't last much longer. She calls him constantly at work and he's always yelling, "I'm working."

Worked with another guy who was dating a really gorgeous woman at work. They had a cat and the guy LOVED that cat. She got pregnant and suddenly, the cat had to go. The guy cried about it but did it anyway. I was sort of friends with her and once, while we were hanging out she admitted to me that the guy wanted to marry her, but she didn't want to marry him but wanted a ring. So he proposed, she said yes and they never set a date. She quit work once she had the kid and right when the kid was old enough to start school, he suggested she consider going back to work. Surprise! She got pregnant again while he was working two jobs to support them. They are both Trumpers now so we don't speak anymore but I was always surprised at his stupidity. Men do stupid shit for pussy.

Can't deny it R57

What R58 said: "Men do stupid shit for pussy."

Ask any woman and she'll tell you: no woman (or person) can make any man (or person) do anything. No one is holding a gun to these guys' heads! Men give in because they don't have the balls to stand up to their wives. And that's the truth. Then they blame their wives because they don't want to admit they didn't have the guts to stand up for themselves.

You guys are wrong to blame the women. Blame the straight men for being cowardly and spineless and not having the gonads to leave when they're in a bad relationship.

I agree, r60 but the topic of the thread was about the women who have issues. Straight men are the biggest pussies out there...clinging to their guns because they're afraid of some imagined violence that might happen to them in the future. They have fantasies of being the big hero but in reality it's because they are fucking pussies. The men who choose women who boss them around like they are little boys have HUGE mommy issues. They complain but they must secretly love it because why wouldn't they act like grown adults and discuss this shit instead of complaining to others about it? And for the record, it isn't just men who do this. I have a lesbian friend in a relationship with a woman who completely controls her...to the point where she gave up almost all of her friends because this woman didn't like them. She's constantly complaining to me about how controlling she is and I finally just said, "You enjoy this. You like being her sub and allowing her to be your dom because you would have stood up for yourself by now." She didn't like it when I pointed this out to her but she's now starting to stand up to the girlfriend and of course, the girlfriend is losing her shit.

There are a lot of people who, while they complain about being controlled, must enjoy it. It's good to point that out to them. It's ok. Dom/Sub relationships can work if both partners admit they like it.

A guy on our street had a vintage Corvette as a second card, which he kept in great shape. It appeared to be his pride and joy. His wife pushed him for years to get rid of it. He finally did. Very sad.

And that car grew up to be Russell Tovey!!

But if straight men admitted they liked being controlled by women then who would OP and others have to spit venom at? It's got to be the woman's fault somehow...

Who gives a fuck? This is a GAY message board.

If she has a problem with this site, why does she frequent it in the first place? Shouldn't she be on her "One Million Moms" Facebook group instead?

R66 Because deep down inside she wishes she was a gay man.

R66 Ba Dum Tss!

Because men's hobbies cost a lot of money. That's why. Cars, rare albums, tools, expensive kitchen equipment, all kinds of crap.

Wives are controlling, insecure bItches.

.....

Getting nasty in here....

I know she's divisive, but Camille Paglia once said that the reason that inequality between the sexes existed for so long in the public sphere is that power relations were imbalanced in the other direction in the private sphere, and that, overall, there was an equilibrium.

For example, women still control most domestic spending. This thread may be describing the vestiges of this arrangement whereby the woman wields power in the domestic context. Add to that women's nature-/nurture-driven impulse to rein their wayward men in.

I put this all down to "stupid straight people."

While wifey is off on another scrapbooking cruise. WTF is scrapbooking, and why are their scrapbooking groups? To learn how to scrapbook? Why not an eyeblinkng group? A group to learn how to blink your fucking eyes?!

LOL I'm a lesbian and one of my straight friends asked me recently if I had a "vision board." Bitch, what? Ain't nobody got time for that.

I've been in comic book stores and I've seen straight guys come in with their girlfriends or wives.

The women are all fidgety and anxious. "Can we leave? Are you ready? do they HAVE what you want? Don't you have that already? Why is that guy looking at you?"

I've seen this in a huge way, w. a cousin, an old friend and a sister's approach w. her husband. The guys are so fuckin' weak, treated like shit and accept all of it. Cousin's wife must be 150 lbs overweight, hasn't worked in about 20 years ( stopped when kid was born, never went back), virtually never cooks, doesn't do the grocery shopping, does very little housecleaning. It's ludicrous. And their kid is a fat, lazy slob w. zero work ethic or self discipline. My cousin is a decent guy, has no spine or testes.

In fairness, another friend's wife is supportive of his interests, happy that his for-the-fun-of-it band is getting some local gigs, etc. Everyone really likes both of those folks. Another sister has been married for almost 40 years, has always been independent, but she found someone similar and they spend a good bit of time doing things separately, but it works for them. By all accounts and appearances, they're very happy together and they did a damn good job of raising their kid.

This is the dumbest thread ever. You queens were all about the science when it came to covid and labeling anyone and everyone a deplorable who didn't follow the science. Yet when it comes to women, it's not about the science, is it? This whole thread is about turning anecdotes into fact. Where are your case studies? Where are your peer-reviewed publications? I knew you gays were promiscuous, among other "positive traits", but I never realized you were hypocritical too. This female bashing must stop.

Not to bash straight women but I think society is messing them up when it comes to accepting and sharing a life with a man. Many of them think a man is there entirely for the convenience and society kind of perpetuates that.

Dumb, dumb, dumb thread. Lost a few brain cells myself just reading this crap.

I give my mom shit for harping on my stepdad's interests. He's the sole breadwinner, has a pension and a full time job, helped raise four kids today weren't his and one that is, so let him buy gadgets he will only use a couple times.

You all sound damaged beyond repair. Do you hate your mothers THAT much for being clingy and possessive? You know that this thread only reinforces the stereotype of gay men and their unhealthy attachment to their mothers. But since this thread is about stereotyping women, I didn't think you'd mind if I opened it up to other generalizations. I mean, if one stereotype is true, then all others must be fact as well, correct?

R83 Has stated her boundaries! The comments here must have hit close to home for her.

Not really, r84. My marriage is a two-way street. My hubs get his alone time, as do I, and I would never tell him what he can or cannot wear or buy. My issue is with you stereotyping woman. We have been your allies since day 1, and this is how you repay us for tolerating you and standing side by side in your struggles for human rights and dignity? I will continue to be an ally and treat you queens with respect even if you don't always deserve it. It's called being a martyr to the greater good. You all should try it sometime.

R85 you’re all over this thread referring to gay men as queers and queens, how are you an ally? Condescending cunt.

Straight men are assholes. When women get married they tacitly agree to cook and clean for their husbands, whether they want to or not. Women are make a lot of accommodations without being asked to do so. Men are not going to change their habits without being forced. Everyone knows the kind of woman OP is complaining about, but I think straight men are ultimately the problem.

FF all the fish from all your devices!

R86 Do you think R85 is an actual heterosexual, married woman? Sounds more like some troll trying to stir up the hate. "My hubs", "you queens", "tolerating you" (!!!), claiming martyrdom "to the greater good"? Give me a fucking break! Of course the attitude exists in some, but the post is simply too ridiculous.

I'm going to start off with a thousand apologies how long my rant is here...But you str8 birds have triggered me!

With the exception of our wise beloved lesbian sisters here, I find most of the str8 women to be extremely hyper-defensive here. We aren't bashing on women by pointing this out; it's merely an observation of SOME of you. Guilty conscience perhaps? And hell no, we're not jealous of you, nor do we wish to be female.

I've already stated most of these types in my experience are older. Perhaps you younger women are cooler, and had better role models in your mums. It still doesn't mean this doesn't happen.

I find a bloke's hobbies and interests as part of what attracts me in the first place. I like to encourage and share them. That's part of what being a good partner is all about IMHO. I suggest str8 women ought to do the same. Why would anyone wish to take something away from their partner which provides them with happiness, and a passion? For many men, they don't always derive happiness and satisfaction from their careers, or it's more of a job; they need their sport and hobbies to remain happy and sane. Those of you who claim the women don't want the man to have "interests outside the family" sound selfish. Stop trying to change your husbands. If free time is so scarce, try negociating limits, or a schedule.

Better yet, try to involve yourself and your children in some way to share the hobby. Everyone needs a little time alone as well for mental hygeine and spiritual or meditative reasons. When you kvetch about the money involved, look at what you probably spend on things men do NOT: dresses, purses, shoes (and tonnes of them!), make-up, jewellery, expensive lunches out with other ladies, etc. Salon & spa services, etc.

Str8 men spend gery little generally when compared overall to str8 women. Stop lying to yourselves this is a woman - hatred issue, and check your lesbian counterparts. They also often thrill in delighting their partners with hobby specific gifts, spend time doing activities the spouse likes, etc. Don't listen to us, but take cues from them.

The world of heterosexual is a sick and boring life.

R91 I concur. So exhausting. For something that's allegedly "natural" it sure seems tedious and frought with pitfalls and head games.

What? As opposed to the mentally healthy hyper-narcissism, infidelity, substance use, and mental/physical abuse that exist in many gay relationships? See, that works both way, gays!

Is this the straight woman "ally" from the Candace Cameron-Bure thread?

If hobbies put a dent in family finances then I could see complaining. Otherwise, I think many women are happy to have hubby out of their hair for a while.

"Hubs" is out getting his hole filled while his "wife" is having a meltdown on a gay forum.

Why should women get themselves and their kids involved in their husband's hobbies? Why shouldn't men get involved in their wives hobbies? Let men wrangle the kids into submission so mommy can do her sewing or gardening or whatever. It's amazing how even gay men expect women to make the accomodations to their husband's interests but how often do men? Almost never, in my experience. It's the woman who does what the man wants, who converts to his religion, tries to get along with his family, etc. Anything they have to do to keep a man, they do. And it still doesn't work lmao

[quote] Why should women get themselves and their kids involved in their husband's hobbies?

They shouldn't. They should just stay the fuck away.

Gay men don't have the first idea of what goes into maintaining a happy and healthy straight marriage. And no, gays, an S&M dungeon is not the answer to a failing straight marriage.

Bloody hell, where's that can of Frau B Gone spray when you need it. So many toxic and insecure wenches up in this thread.

Reminds me of the movie High Fidelity. I fucking hated that movie.

The frustrated and unfulfilled hausfraus need to move over to a mum's forum.

This is ludicrous, and doesn’t happen much in the real world.

Most housewives and girlfriends sweep their DHs out the door as often and for as long as possible, so they can have the girls over to do brunch for hours or get their hair did in the kitchen or watch their stories in peace.

R76 same! My straight sister is always like, “oh you need to get a Pinterest and a manifestation planner!” I’m like....sounds hetero but ok....

r103, just woke up from a 55 year coma and thinks it's 1966.

My three women friends (married to men) make salaries on par with (or more than) their husbands.

Two of them married men with kids from previous marriages and they (women friends) seem to have good relationships with the kids. So, the husbands are lucky.

One woman friend is kind of doormat to the husband, IMO. She's someone I've known since college. (I don't think we'd become friends if we met today.) Anyway, the husband makes less $ than she does, goes out a lot without her, has really dumb hobbies like comic books. They have 3 kids and she seems to do all the house cleaning.

It's puzzling to see intelligent, successful women with men in an arrested state of development or who are unmotivated or not on par with with them emotionally or intellectually.

The amount of bullshit a lot of the straight women I know put up with from straight men just to not be single is honestly unreal. Cheating, abuse, lying about finances, outright narcissism, shitty stepkids, total lack of involvement in housework. I don't get what they think they get out of it other than the prestige of fitting in with other straight people which also doesn't seem like much of a reward.

It's not R107. There's not much choice out there so these women are taking what they can get. Either that or be alone. Most people choose companionship over nothing.

In the case of my woman married to the comic-book-loving, lower-earning man: He was her type, physically, when they first met. He's very tall and I think she loves that (I know that sounds stupid). He's now chronically overweight and his face looks red and bloated to me. (I don't think he drinks alcohol that much, he's mostly an eater.) My woman friend (the wife) is also overweight, but "skinny" compared to him.

I think she has low self-esteem. Her previous boyfriend was someone who ended up in prison - not a crazy long sentence. But still. (She used to visit him at the prison.)

It's also the fantasy and expectation of getting married and having children, happily every after. Period.

[quote] Reminds me of the movie High Fidelity.

Is that the movie where John Cusack has to get rid of his record collection for that ugly blonde bitch?

Gays are delusional. You have absolutely no idea what goes on behind closed doors. You see what you want to see in order to conveniently fit your nasty little narrative that heterosexual marriage is a dead end. Actually, the the truth is just the opposite. Studies have shown that married people are generally happier and live longer than single people. Many of us also attend church regularly, and studies have shown that people of faith are happier and live longer as well.

All the fraus from nextdoor are coming here in droves to vent about their husbands.

I'm pretty sure R112 is that wacko bitch who was here in 2016 calling everyone "diseased fags" and saying she hopes all gay people die of AIDS. How is rehab, Cindi?

That's quite a leap R114. I don't even agree with that person about religion and marriage but it's true that gay men have some of the unhealthiest romantic relationships around yet consider themselves experts. Hell, a lot of gay men don't even believe in long term relationships but again consider themselves experts on how women should behave towards their husbands. It's nothing but projection and envy. Straight men don't want gay men, no matter how much they criticize their wives and no amount of Fraus Be Gone! whining is going to change that fact. If gay men think they will find an ally or a partner in straight men, they are seriously seriously misguided.

Straight women will post "What would I do without this goofball!!" as a caption to a photo of a dumpy dead-eyed human thumb.

Why do you guys engage with the women on this site? Only ugly unfulfilled women troll Internet forums.

Yeah and all DLers are mentally stable hot and hung tops

Fuck ya'll.

Ignore to the lot of you. (After FF you from all devices.)

Tell us were you are so we can find you on Sniffies.

Oh, that's right. You are now ignored!

Hilarious since it's not just the gay men on here who have noticed this pattern with straight women. As a lesbian, the men in my life confide in me about their bitch wives all the time and a lot of the straight women do the same about their husbands. I have several friends in my life who were once married and say they would NEVER get married again if given the choice. So yes we do have an idea of what it takes to make a straight marriage work and a lot of it is lies and bullshit. And now that the gays you "tolerate" can get married and do, I see how much more balanced and open gay marriage is in comparison. There are none of these "roles" that we are supposed to fill based on our gender. And thank god for that.

I just put the straight woman who was losing her shit on here on ignore and all the posts just poof went away. I don't care if you consider yourself an "ally" or not. You don't get to come onto a board for homosexuals and inject your bullshit all over when you feel defensive. Maybe try going on some of the many heterosexual forums out there and talk to your fellow straight women about their behaviors instead of lecturing us on how we could never know what it takes to make a straight marriage "work." Your marriage or relationship isn't superior to any of ours and some of us can see why that is. You like to pretend you're an ally but really, you're just a bored woman looking for gays for entertainment and discourse that you cannot find in your sad little lives.

Why do people advertise that they put a poster on ignore. No one gives a shit. And everybody posting here is doing so for entertainment and discourse, regardless of orientation. If you don't like defending your views then don't respond to a post, it's very simple.

All the stupid cunts raging on about OPs supposed misogyny is hilarious. Straight women need to understand that for the most part they're insecure controlling cunts and their husbands interests and hobbies threaten them.

They don't need to understand anything, they know better than some gay man on the outside how their relationship works, despite that gay man wanting so badly to take her place.

[quote] Why do people advertise that they put a poster on ignore. No one gives a shit.

It makes them feel power in their sad, shut-in lives. 😂

I had no idea there were so many fraus lurking around here waiting to spring into action...

I may need to get a second serving 🍿

I used to hang out with some gay guys from work at bars. We had a great time, checked out cute boys,, gossiped about other co-workers. We also went out shopping together. Basically fun, harmless stuff. They were good guys and we had a great time. These queens never once treated me with the disrespect I've encountered on this board. And if they did, I would've cut off the relationship asap. I have always loved my gays, and yes, I do consider myself an ally, but the respect needs to go both ways.

Hold on R129. On another thread you said you were an out and proud gay man. So are you a gay man or a woman who hangs with the gays and considers herself an ally?

Oops sorry R129 misread your posts

This control thing is exactly why a lot of younger men are choosing never to get married. No, not gay, they just realize they don't want to be in a controlling relationship and can walk out any time the fish gets too smelly and cunty to deal with. Once you put a ring on it, she's put the cuffs on it in return.

Younger men are choosing not to get married because they can get sex without marriage. Don't be stupid.

You know an awful lot of dysfunctional straight people OP

R125 you're right especially since itd be too much for their feeble frau brains. Better they should stfu and go back to the fucking kitchen or couch ir wherever they fucking wallow all day.

They wallow next to you at your frau cubicle job R135

Is there a frau equivalent to datalounge. I'd like to go to there and take any and all posts mentioning gay men way too seriously and then start carping about how I MUST BE RESPECTED!!!!

No one has to look outside DL to find that, you can see it multiple times in this thread alone

OP, homosexual cliche on things he knows nothing about

How old is the average frau on this thread?

[quote] Studies have shown that married people are generally happier and live longer than single people. Many of us also attend church regularly, and studies have shown that people of faith are happier and live longer as well.

My sides!

I stopped at the happier long-lived thing, and missed the hilarious faith crap. Lets just say it's usually better for the kids, and very bad for sex, and the rest is a muddle.

[quote]Is there a frau equivalent to datalounge

Pinterest.

Yeah I know, it's not the same but pics are worth a thousand words.

R143 I was going to say Mumsnet, Tattle, and LipstickAlley.

She shed what R15?

Broadly speaking, there are three types of individuals: those who want to run their own lives; those who want to run their partner's life; and those who want their partner to run their life for them.

Male or female, it doesn't matter, in either sex some are attracted to the take-charge personality - someone who will make their life easier for them by making all their decisions for them. However, in the case of men choosing take-charge women as their partners, they will not admit that to themselves, and certainly would never admit it to their friends. So instead of honestly saying they let their wife/girlfriend make all their decisions for them, they tell their buddies, "she made me" or "she won't let me".

To be fair R77, many of the customers in comic book stores stop and stare at any woman who dares step inside as if they’ve never encountered one before. And some feel the need to gatekeep the hobby if the woman herself has any interest in comics.

That's not gatekeeping, R147; that is their idea of flirting.

OP lost me at describing marital assets as "his money" and his "home." With few exceptions, when I've observed women trying to curb men's hobby spending it was to make sure he wasn't blowing the family's mortgage.

Doll collections?

Married woman are very controlling. I'ts just a matter of their style being overt or covert. They see men as something they can mold into what they want with just a few tweaks here and there. Men dont know what hit them until they find themselves in the burbs driving a minivan full of rug rats to school so mom can have her ME time with her personal yoga instructor.

I'm not engaging directly with any of these batshit crazy fraus. It needs to be said though that when any compromise is suggested here, they begin to gaslight and twist everything up as tightly as their panties. The dense ones whinging about "why should the woman be the one to take an interest, etc. are so hung up on gender; the examples set forth by gay blokes doing the sharing are lost on them. EVERYONE should be accepting or try to share their spouse's enthusiasm was the message. Not another command for you already put out beleaguered fraus. Men should do the same for their wives if free time is scarce was the suggestion, rather than denaturing one's partner's personality. I onow healthy families where the husband and children took the woman's lead, and began to run together, play tennis, or ski. Expand your horizons...

Furthermore, don't begin to exclaim how deluded gays are when you foolishly repeat how we either envy you, want to be you, or want your str8 husbands. It's but a tiny weird group of gay men who fetishise married str8 blokes. This isn't a specific forum for MTFs either, and I should think their presence here is highly exaggerated.

Why you see the world as a competition between us only reveals your many insecurities. The comments here regarding how superior you are

^ are nauseating.

OP:{Why do so many women have issues with the interests and hobbies of their husbands? }

Sounds like a question more appropriate for Dear Abby………….

[quote]Gays are delusional. You have absolutely no idea what goes on behind closed doors. You see what you want to see in order to conveniently fit your nasty little narrative that heterosexual marriage is a dead end.

R112, gay folks aren't aliens from another planet. The vast majority of us grew up in heterosexual households, with our parents, uncles and aunts, brothers and sisters, as well as friends, observing their relationships at close quarters for years. We all know something of those relationships and their dynamics.

It's not a generalization of all straight relationships, and nobody said that it was. It's true only of those relationships of which it's been observed. Screaming about unfair generalizations is merely an attempt to shut down the discussion overall, and suggests a controlling nature.

I've observed the phenomenon firsthand in many relatives and friends, and it's not just the women trammeling the men; it can also go the other way. Relationships which begin with one or the other partner determined to change the other are inherently dysfunctional, and bound to create unhappiness.

Women are fucking fools..

Period.

Always have been and Always will be.

It’s a fact of life.

Even some women will admit to that.

R109 I choose nothing 😂

R112 Sadly dear, you are the one that’s delusional 😂😂😂

If the wife wants her husband to clear out his comic book collection and record collection, perhaps he should tell her to clear out her closet as well - she can't fit into most of that shit anymore anyhow. Also, does she really need that many shoes and purses? She should stop buying so many clothes, purses and shoes - which cost more than comic books or records - because, you know, family finances and all...

Here's how I imagine an American, suburban frau

You all just loathe women with every fiber of your being, don't you? Your hate oozes from every one of your disgustingly large pores. I'm sorry daddy rejected you and mommy emotionally smothered you! I'm sorry you can't be us! I'm sorry you don't have our lives, which you crave! I'm sorry our men don't want you sexually and are generally repulsed by you! I can't apologize anymore. The only thing I can do is beg you to seek professional help for your many issues.

Do the activities interfere with the man's pulling his weight with the household chores and the raising of any kids? If he'd rather play video games while his wife does all the household work and childcare, then that's a problem. And if you read reddit, there are apparently a lot of straight men who treat their wives as surrogate mothers/maids.

What are you doing here, R161 (and R2, R8, R18, R20, R79, R83, R85, R93, R99, R105, R112, R129, and socks), in the company of people you despise this much? Does professional trolling really pay that much? Or are you simply that motivated by hatred?

We're glad we don't have your lives. We can spend our incomes on ourselves and not be forced to split it with a stay at home wife and kids. And if we choose to get married, both of us are likely going to be working full time jobs, which means we take in double the income.

We can also work full time jobs, and cook, and clean, and run errands all by ourselves as well. Imagine that!

[quote] I'm not engaging directly with any of these batshit crazy fraus.

It's the new "I'm ignoring you"!

R159 Women dress for their husbands, men don't collect comic books for their wives.

I was just out to dinner with my brother and his family and he literally had to ask his bony, fitness-obsessed wife if it was ok for him to order a certain item off the menu. It made me cringe and I wanted to backhand him for being such a pussy, and her for being a controlling cunt.

Controlling wives seem to be a more common problem among white couples.

r167, it's lovely how you refer to your sister-in-law with such respect. I wonder what she was thinking about you all throughout dinner. Maybe that you're a fat little whore with an "open for business" sign above your tunnel-like a-hole? You know she sensed you flirting with that cute waiter, and watched you as you turned to check him out as he walked away.

R166, well apparently it's not working if they're more interested in reading some comic books from time to time or enjoying some of their albums instead of fawning over you 24/7.

R169 - Take your leaky gash and FUCK OFF!

[quote] Controlling wives seem to be a more common problem among white couples.

Hahahahaha🤣

R166 it’s common knowledge by now that women dress for other women, regardless of sexual orientation.

[quote] I wonder what she was thinking about you all throughout dinner.

Probably that she wanted to go down on me since I'm 10 times better looking than my brother.

The posts here about how it's not about women and it goes both ways are bullshit. You never see threads started about straight men where all the gays chime in about how disinterested men are in their wives, or what terrible spouses straight men are, unless it's an opportunity to criticize women. It always comes back to women and how wrong they are, and it's not a huge coincidence that it comes from gay men, the group stereotyped as having mother issues or wanting to be women. The same observation could be said about lesbians except they rarely speak about straight men even a fraction of the time so there's no logic in it

R163 DL may have hit a record high of triggered batshit fraus in a single thread.

So many gay men are so used to living in a bubble that they aren't used to having to defend their asinine views and it's upsetting their smug inner balance

What part of this do these fraus not get... It's not ALL women... very few people are making any blanket OR mysogynistic absolute declarations. If you're defending this conttolling behaviour, then you're one of the off ones. Take the thread as your wake up call. Take a good look at yourselves. Many of you dig your heels in further and continue to offer up ridiculous excuses. You know you're doing it to your partners, and this is why the claws come out. It would explain how butthurt many of you are. Not all women are like you.

Also PLENTY of threads in the past about str8 blokes... many gay men here don't want anything to do with them, and don't call them friends. Many in fact see them as inferior. ...not the point really, but you can't see the forest for the trees. Just more brainless and unoriginal excuses really.

Since when can't men criticise women? Women do the same about men. We're still a majority, men here. We're going to call it as we see it. Sorry but if you don't like it, you can always leave! Despite some of us having perhaps more close women friends compared to str8 blokes, we still see much of what some women do to be a mystery. This particular controlling behaviour is counterproductive to a happy and egalitarian partnership. If you were smart, and honest you wouldn't defend the women doing this. You'd acknowledge and call it out.

Those of you who cannot fathom ANY criticism of women as being valid are narcissists. Wow, the most astonishing thing is how bitter many of you seem. Our detractors often make claims about "bitter queens", but seriously you trolling sea hags here take the effing prize.

r178, turn that around, and if women make one negative statement about you gays, then you rush to accuse them of blanket homophobia (which is a ridiculous term, but that's for another thread). You can't have it both way, sweetie pie.

MULTIPLE posters are making blanket statements, god the delusions of fairness are pathetic R178. Are you fucking blind or just stupid?

[quote] Probably that she wanted to go down on me since I'm 10 times better looking than my brother.

That wasn't stupid enough to deserve a hit?

The troll posts on this thread are rife with hypocrisy and false equivalencies.

I have a good feeling that the, most likely, one woman that is posting in this thread does not have a husband and is a lonely, mentally unbalanced person who was probably wronged by one of her gay friends and feels the need to lash out at a bunch of strangers on a gay forum. This is troll behavior, and if it's the same person I think it is, it's not worth your time to engage with her. She's posted here before and she's certifiable. Her doctor must have let her have some internet time, but obviously that was a bad idea.

I seriously wonder how many fraus are frauds here, after eliminating several posters taking up for women a bit much, (and arguing with each logical point I make) they claim to be gay men in other threads. Weird. Repeatedly certain ones just keep screaching woman hatred, etc. yet they refuse to address the behaviour. It would be perfectly natural to see some posters say they've never noticed this, or don't have any women like this in their life, and we do see those replies here... yet I cannot imagine for the life of me how any gay man forty-five or older could be completely oblivious to such controlling behaviour, and then carry on denying it, in the face of the several accounts illustrated so vividly here.

I hope it is on its way out, but It does exist whether or not you can face the music, "gentlemen"...

The term Fishwife comes to mind when I hear these stories. Coming from a Jewish family, many of the women do tend to be quite controlling... Badass Ball-busting Balabustas are not simply a product of a misogynist's imagination; sadly they're a reality for some men to live with each and everyday.

R179, why should we tolerate criticism of gay men on a gay site ? Why on earth do women have to invade men’s spaces and then change them ?

R179 If a gay man makes one negative statement about you straight women, then you rush to accuse us all of blanket misogyny (which is a ridiculous term, but that's for another thread). You can't have it both ways, darling. Just in case R178's post was too long of a read and too difficult for you to comprehend.

R183, I was thinking the same thing. It's likely all the same troll. Has she not visited the rest of this site and noticed it's flooded with appreciation for women on here from artists and musicians, to athletes, to political figures?

The troll has already made blanket homophobic comments herself by stressing that she's "normal" thereby implying we're all abnormal. Referring to us all as queens instead of gay men, thereby implying that we're all weak sissies. She accuses of us all needing mental health assistance, etc...

DLers always assume anyone who challenges their views is Boris or a troll. Religion and marriage equaling happiness is nonsense to me but her points still stand, so many gay men always criticize women and flip their shit when anyone dares criticize gay men. I don't give a fuck if this is gay site (which includes lesbians btw) you can't own an anonymous internet space

Honey, if his hobby is worshiping dick he will never include you.

Is this what our 'straight female allies' think of us when we're not around or when we won't do what they say? With "allies" like these, who even needs enemies?

[quote]I don't give a fuck if this is gay site

This says it all right here.

Where did anyone here claim ownership of women's spaces? You're pulling things out of your ass to justify your prejudiced and hypocritical viewpoint. It's not working because someone actually has the intelligence to call you out on it. And just to clarify, I never claimed to be an ally, I'm not an activist in any sense of the word. If you have a problem with a particular poster take it up with her/him

I wish we could all get along, but SOME, BUT NOT ALL, gay men refuse to abandon their ingrained misogyny. These types haven't evolved much past the need to escape their smothering mommies in picture postcard midwest towns in order to only be around gay men and screw their way through Grennidge Village or San Francisco. And to abandon the mentality that straight marriage is dysfunctional. It's no longer 1975, gays! I would love to issue a challenge to all gay men to move into the 21st century and appreciate women for the nurturing and loving allies that we are. After all, we are all basically sisters in spirit, whether we have a penis or vagina.

Yeah, women are such fuckin bitches for wanting their husbands to put down the video games and help with the kids. And then if the wife decides to leave the risk goes up her husband will murder her.

Pssshhh - that would NEVER happen to the Superwife / Superwoman / SuperGayAlly in this thread, R193! Dear Hubby absolutely loves, adores and cherishes her!

Cheers R189. That particular troll is a str8 bloke BTW who's awfully fond of using "you gays". Whatever their sex and orientation, I don't need to read anymore from them. Only trolls work so hard to derail a thread and shit down the conversation. The crazy frau & this str8 bloke are responsible for much of the cock blocking and strawmanning. A barrage of whataboutism from these two.

Would you believe it if some straight women don’t want you self entitled, self glorified fraus here either.👀

I'm not like other moms, I'm a cool mom!

We don't care, R196.

I have a feeling that the gays who post here detest ALL women. They hate everything about women...their appearance, their smell, their voice, their touch. EVERYTHING! They're so viscerally repulsed by women. I'm going to play armchair psychologist here and wonder if it has anything to do with them resenting women for not being able to be them and/or nab their straight men. Let's think about this for a minute. Insert smiley face emoji lol.

R189 Upon further review, believe that poster is bi, with a warped view of what being a gay man is all about. He certainly is no ally of ours. He's the doufus prommulgating the idea we want the women's husbands or want to be them too. Just needed to clear that up, as I wouldn't wish to be accused of mislabelling someone. It's become CUNTentious enough on this thread as it is.

I'm SHOCKED, AMAZED and APPALLED that a [italic]bisexual[/italic] would *ever* be so disdainful towards gay men on Datalounge!

R201 Ha! 🤠 The unmitigated bisexual gall of him!

Those married bi guys are all fucked up.

"Yeah, women are such fuckin bitches for wanting their husbands to put down the video games and help with the kids."

Newsflash, your husband didn't WANT kids in the first place. He just went along with whatever you wanted because he wanted you to shut up about it. There's nothing wrong with playing video games for entertainment. I bet you don't complain when he's watching football. Nope. Instead you're putting on a jersey and pretending you like it, too because it's the only way you can bond with him.

What alternate reality are you living in, r205? Straight men want kids just as much as women do. My hubs and I have three. I really only wanted two, but he wanted four. We compromised and had three. He is a great dad to our kiddos, just as his dad was to his children. My hubs was in tears the other week when he read his father's day cards. He loves being a husband and father. Despite what you think, most straight men are not stunted peter pans looking for surrogate mommies to mother them while they play video games and hang out with their buddies. Please stop generalizing because you only know the bad apples that are somehow drawn to you. You put out negative energy, and that's what you get back.

I really hate this thread. Take it to Lipstick Alley please.

I think this thread is great. It's about time straight female voices are given the opportunity to be heard. Gays and straight women should be united. Just remember, boys, we're all this together. Homophobia=Misogyny.

There are plenty of women who are fine with their husbands having their own hobbies, interests, collections, and going on trips/outings related to hobbies, interests, or collections. Then there are the women who pretty much bitch about their husbands having their own hobbies, interests, collections, going on trips/outs etc and some of those women do put stops to things or make their husbands throw stuff out, not go on trips, or anything else.

My late aunt was pretty nasty whenever my uncle would go fishing, camping, or hunting trips. Yet, it was always ok for to go on trips with her quilting club and her womens' church group. . When I was in high school, I became friends with a girl who hated her mother and described her as a narcissist and emotional abuser towards the dad. She said that the mom was such a control freak that the dad had pretty much cut ties with friends he knew from rec sports leagues, clubs, and other circles. Years later, my friend decided to cut off contact with her mom and stated it was the best decision she ever made. She has kept contact with her dad via, email, ocassional visits at other locations, etc.

"Despite what you think, most straight men are not stunted peter pans looking for surrogate mommies to mother them while they play video games and hang out with their buddies."

I'm not the one who was complaining about the husband not putting down the video game and helping with the kidlets, sweetums.

This thread is more proof that heterosexuality is not only not normal but is a threat to all living things on this planet.

Preach it, R211

r211, put down the crack pipe, doll.

Stop sucking up to the oppressor classes.

OUR HUSBANDS WILL NEVER FUCK YOU! Why doesn't that get through your thick skulls?

WE DON'T WANT YOUR FUCKING HUSBANDS, you stupid cunt.

YOUR HUSBANDS WON'T KISS US ANYWAY

Your husbands are disgusting.

Um...yeah, no we don't want your husband.

I showed my hubs this thread, and he had a good laugh. You boys were getting me steaming mad, but he talked me off the ledge. He told me not to take a silly little gay discussion board so seriously, and of course he was right. I tend to be easily triggered and sensitive, but he has a more rational mind and is a grounding influence. We complement each other in every way imaginable, which is why my marriage works so well. He is a good man, and he is not homophobic, by the way. We suspect that one of his brothers may be gay, and my hubs has often said that he would accept him if he were to come out of the closet.

WILL YOU PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THE STRAIGHTS!?!?!?!

You're the reason they let themselves go to shit.

Why don't you all just block the frau cunt? First thing I did when I saw her raving and ranting at the start of this thread.

Anyway, back on topic: My brother is a weakling, too. He loves this whole "let me ask the wife" spiel. Straight men think it's endearing, some sort of a "wink-wink, I'm going to get busted" attitude, with other straights knowingly smiling at them for they, too, love to be bossed around by a woman.

Here's the thing: Gay men learnt to fend for themselves at a very young age. They are lightyears ahead of straight men when it comes to self-awareness and development. And I don't think the straights will ever have time to catch up.

My mom gets jealous if I pet my dog for too long. She also insisted on my dad quitting bowling and golfing. He only went once a week with friends, but she wanted him to spend more time with her. One of my good girl friends literally has this weird-irrational hatred of video games just because her boyfriend likes to play them sometime. Who knows why they do this? It's either socialized or its some sort of survival instinct from the past that modern women can't get rid of. Men can suck, but women aren't so innocent. They can chip at a man's willpower/agency until he becomes a shell. Also to the straight cis white women --- you can all kindly fuck off and continue to ruin instagram, twitter, journalism, art, movies, and culture.

News flash: don't marry women.

[quote] They are lightyears ahead of straight men when it comes to self-awareness and development.

Clearly.

R210 Please spare us any more of your unrelenting babytalk. I'm willing to bet you're even more utterly revolting IRL. You sound like one of those women.

Homophobia is a form of misogyny, since they're both about fear/hatred of the feminine. We need to stick together.

R210 Sorry sister, just realised you're one of the lesbians... Sweetums & kidlet sounded like the argu-bargy bi bloke w/cutesy baby talk. Still not down w/the language, but hope you'll forgive me. The frau kept peppering every insulting statement w/sweetypie, etc...

^argy-bargy

I knew a guy who was a big fan of horror movies and liked to order them on DVD. His wife would whine at him "but, honey, this is not something we can watch together. I don't like horror movies. blah blah blah....." It got to the point where his stupid wife would start opening his mail then start nagging at him again. He ended up having to get a PO Box and setting up a remote location to watch his movies with friends.

Your anecdotes mean zilch, except for the fact that they illustrate your poor choice of friends. The hubs and I actually enjoy spending time together, but of course we like our alone time too, since I think it makes us appreciate each other all the more. It's a cliche, but absence really does make the heart grow fonder. I have no issue with him occasionally going next door to watch the game with his buddy, and he is fine with me shopping with the girls every now and then. It's all about compromise. We do date night once a month too. I'm just trying to show you gays that most normal straight marriages are healthy, and you shouldn't listen to your disfunctional friends.

OK, R232, you win, please stop now.

"you gays..." What an insufferable festering cunt. R233 Put it on ignore already.

R231 Fuck that. I'd smack the bitch if she opened my mail.

[quote] Put it on ignore already.

I have already. Is that psycho bitch still posting?

[quote] The hubs and I actually enjoy spending time together,

Right. That's why you spend your time hanging out on a board where guys talk about buttsex all day.

Men and women are simply not compatible with each other. They fall in love with each other based on their looks (women) or money (men), but the love hormone (limerence) runs dry after about two years. Once the lust fades away, each party finds themselves stuck living with someone who annoys the hell out of them and doesn't understand them. If they have a kid together (and having kids is an inevitable consequence of straight people's lust), then society pressures them to stay together for the sake of the kid.

This thread is like an episode of Everybody Loves Raymond. The wife, Debra, is portrayed as a shrew who's always ruining her husband's fun. She wants him to stay home and spend time with his kids instead of playing golf with his buddies. But...Raymond prefers to work late so he can spend time with his work buddies at the office instead of coming home, and he acts like it's an inconvenience to have spend time with his kids and help his wife around the house. He's basically a socially-stunted jackass who wants to live like an adolescent even though he willingly bought into the societal norm of a wife, house, and kids.

More indication that intimate relationships between men and women are unnatural and stultifying for men.

r23, honey. Heterosexual relationships work because men and women complement each other physically and sexually, and out of those connections come children. Straight nuclear families are the backbone of civilization and have been since the days of Adam and Eve, despite the LSM and Hollyweird having tried there darndest to brainwash us to believe otherwise. Gay relationships also work because one person complements the other in some fashion, when it be sexually or emotionally. That's why they say in those types of relationships, one person inevitably winds up playing the role of the man, while other takes up a traditional woman's role. It's only natural to be attracted to the "other", and that transcends sexual orientation.

Despite the stereotype, women are usually happier when they're together, even heterosexual women.

Who, or what, the fuck is R240?

I thought the first half of R240's post was written by Kirk Cameron.

R240, the first part of your post sounds like it could have been written by former Pope Benedict XVI.

If you don't see the inherent tension in relationships between men and women, you're blind.

Breeders don't need apologists.

Sorry, R243. I was composing when you posted.

R243: He's been busy as a beaver:

[quote] Some of these husbands should counter back with "You've already got two rooms in the house to yourself - the kitchen and the laundry room".

Nice one, Tim Allen!

[quote] That's why they say in those types of relationships, one person inevitably winds up playing the role of the man, while other takes up a traditional woman's role.

This freak does not belong on this site.

I don't ever block posters or threads, but this bullshit conversation is trying my patience.

R248: That was an anachronistic attitude 40 years ago, never mind now.

[quote]Women dress for their husbands, men don't collect comic books for their wives.

Ha, ha, that's rich, what straight man ever said, damn, she's hot with that $20,000 purse on her side.

R208 Homophobia is not misogyny. Free men are hated because they don't follow society's rules of what is expected of them. Gay men who are not in the closet are free by default. They defy social norms and often gender roles. Straight men who don't follow gender roles either are despised too. That's why we have terms like deadbeat dad. If anything it is misandry. Misogyny means the hatred of women. Gay men are usually... men.

R206 Yours is an example of a man who actually wanted children but a lot of women are unfortunately not as smart as you and keep accidental children from one night stands or lie about being on birth control and then we end up with fathers who are barely interested in being one. You should actually hightlight how important it is to procrate with a man who is interested in taking care of his children and call out the women who create children with men they know don't share the same interestes with them at all. You have made great life choices but it appears to me that we see less and less of people like you.

R248 some gay relationships can be like that because gender roles have biological origins. No need to tell this person to stay away from this site.

That article is from 2008. Geeze you think maybe science has changed since then? I guess that study petered out. And duh, gays are human and have brains just like straight people. Imagine that.

If we can put all the political correctness aside, how do you explain that so many gay men share the same interests and hobbies as straight women? Obviously, there was something hormonally that went terribly, terribly wrong in utero, which caused gay mens' brains to be feminized to an extent (and lesbians to have masculinized brains). And there's nothing wrong with that. Let's call a spade a spade. If you all weren't so paranoid about being labeled women, you'd probably see that and also be less transphobic.

Terribly Wrong? Maybe it's straight people who are the mistake and the blight on the planet and gays who are the gift.

It's said that avoiding the usual gender norms is still such a threatening situation that we have to roll out a bunch of Lady Gaga pseudoscience to justify it.

Ya'll get gas-lit faster than a Molotov cocktail.

[quote]how do you explain that so many gay men share the same interests and hobbies as straight women.

Well that's an simplistic generalization. So like what, knitting and sewing and having babies? So woman who work must also be a mistake since they share that desire similar to men who want a career. Or maybe most of the chefs in the world who are men are a mistake because cooking is a woman's job.

Personally I dont give a shit about women's fashion, hair, decorating or any other stereotype you think all gays have in common with them. And what about woman who dont care about fashion, dose that make them lesbians? You sound like a simpleton from flyoverstan.

I never met one gay man who didn't do "retail therapy" when the going got rough. My gut tells me that gay men have more in common in straight women than they'd like to admit.

I hate shopping.

R260 We are talking about averages. Just because you are a gay man who behaves as what is deemed as manly doesn't mean feminine gay men don't exist. Straight women who work usually work less hours and in different job fields than straight men (!!on average!! ..before you get offended). This explains the "wage gap" by the way which is actually an earnings gap. There is also a "wage gap" between gay and straight men because on average they have different interests. I am also not a gay man who is interested in fashion but I still understand that when stereotypes like that are mentioned that it is usually about averages and it doesn't mean every gay man does or must behave like that.

R255 That article is from 2008, so what? Does that mean that the brain scans discussed in it suddenly disappear? This research explains so much about lgbt but unfortunately many lgbt people will argue against it because they have been fed the idiotic idea that gender is a social construct. The article actually says that gay men have brains more similar to that of straight women, so your argument against it isn't even really a counter argument.

Gay man here. I have several straight women friends with whom I've been friends for 20 to 30 years. The only ones among them who have so-called issues with their husband's interests are the ones with husbands who act like overgrown adolescents with wish-fulfillment spending habits. In almost all instances, these men had mothers who did everything for them, so they transfer that expectation to the wife. They expect to be the center of the universe. They spend far too much money and time on their interests to the exclusion of their wives and children, not to mention the family's financial stability. A couple times this led to divorce, and one of the husbands was shocked even though in marriage counseling this issue came up repeatedly. How can anyone be that clueless?

One of my friends is still married to her husband, who has been fired from countless jobs. He's a big sports fan, and one of the last jobs he was fired from was for spending too much time on the internet reading sports-related articles. His employer monitored his internet usage and found he often spent over two hours or more a day on espn.com alone. Despite being warned several times to curb his internet usage, during football season he did it several times again. After he got fired, he took $3000 out of their joint account to buy some expensive bicycle. He told his wife now that he wasn't working, he'd have more time to enjoy biking, which was one of his hobbies. Unbelievable. I'd have kicked him to the curb long before that incident, but for sure after it. And the bike had all kinds of custom alterations so he couldn't take it back. I told that was on purpose. He knew what he was doing. Nice enough guy, but selfish as all get out.

I have another friend whose husband inherited several hundred thousand dollars after his father passed away. My friend was smart enough to make sure to put a lot of money away in an account he can't touch for their daughter's college expenses (she's starting her freshman year in college this fall). He spent every single penny of what she didn't squirrel away on a lake house and all kinds of big-boy toys for it, like a boat, jet skis, four wheelers, etc., not to mention other things he just had to have. That's always the line. I had to get it because of [fill in excuse].

I'd have an issue with guys like this, too. Interestingly, both of the above husbands get put out when their wives spend money on themselves or their kids and whine that they wanted this or that but now can't have it because the wife spent money.

The gays need to stop sniffing around our effortlessly masculine straight husbands. They will never want you.

MANY want the Ts! Check out the G if you don't believe me.

R264 Ok so these men acted like "overgrown adolescents", so be it but in the end it was the women who agreed to marry them and since women are the only ones who can decide about abortion, they are also the ones who gave birth to their children despite knowing that they disapprove of their hobbies. I bet they will be surprised too when their adult sons will behave like their fathers. ...How could this possibly happen?

R267, my friend whose husband bought the $3000 bike has a son, whom she's raised to help out around the house, do his own laundry, be fiscally responsible, etc. Since the husband was too busy with his hobbies to parent much, she made sure her son was raised differently. Her son is a really great young man who is much different than his father. So, thanks for you post but you're wrong. My other friend I mentioned has no sons, only one daughter.

I make no judgments on their decisions to marry these men, or to stay with them for that matter. Those are their choices. All of us who are in long-term romantic relationships have to deal with our partners' issues, and they with ours, but some issues have more of an effect on the relationship than others.

R254 [quote] Brains of gay people resemble those of straight people of opposite sex

If this were true then an intimate relationship between two gay men would resemble a relationship between two straight women.

Kind of blows your statement (see below) about the assumption of roles in a gay male relationship out of the water.

[quote] That's why they say in those types of relationships, one person inevitably winds up playing the role of the man, while other takes up a traditional woman's role. It's only natural to be attracted to the "other", and that transcends sexual orientation.

Are you even gay?

Most of the time the men are miserable in these marriages. That's why they try to shop their way out of the pain. Either that or torture themselves with ultramarathons or sleeping outside.

R266: I'm not cutting off my dick for a guy who can't admit to his own same-sex attractions.

[quote]I never met one gay man who didn't do "retail therapy" when the going got rough.

Oh please, straight men do the same thing, they just buy bigger ticket items like sports cars, trucks, guns and younger dudes buy video games and large screen TVs.

I have said this before on here but my neighbor down the hall kicks her husband outside the untie about once a month. I stumble across him every once and a while where he is sitting there with a laptop right at the door waiting to be let back in. I know she doesn't work either. To be fair, she also dose that to their cat too.

Woman are controlling manipulators, for all you Fraus who will make up some reason for that being ok, imagine if a man made his wife do the same thing sitting outside. Would that be OK?

R270 my closeted flaming cousin gave up his lifelong passion for classical singing, composing and performing music in order to marry a beard (his older Frau boss at work...), slave in corporate and look after his kid, and his only hobbies now are watching reality tv, cooking gourmet and running marathons (the most recent of which gave him a literal heart condition). It seems like he doesn’t speak with any of his old friends anymore, either. He makes good money and has a nice retro townhouse in a posh area now, but it’s essentially a gilded prison. He’s quieter and meeker than he used to be, and his former wild theatrics now seem muted and forced. It’s really sort of tragic.

That's sad R274. But I guess we are all responsible for our own happiness.

More like sacrificing it in order to be accepted by people who are part of the problem.

So why not live without being accepted? It's called being an adult and making your own decisions

[quote] The gays need to stop sniffing around our effortlessly masculine straight husbands. They will never want you.

and what makes you so sure of that?

Henry VIII didn’t get divorced; he just had his wives’ head chopped off when he got tired of them. That’s a good way to get rid of a woman—no alimony.

People are attracted to opposites. The fascination and inner inattainability of the opposite forms the basis for who you're attracted to. So whether femmy gay men are conscious of it or not, they are attracted to masculinity because it's the antithesis of what they are, what forms their core. It's the same dynamic that attracts straight ciswomen to men.

Now SuperAlly / SuperWoman is using the terms "ciswomen" and "transphobic"... interesting.

See also: any episode of [italic]Silver Spoons[/italic] after this:

[quote] The gays need to stop sniffing around our effortlessly masculine straight husbands.

Why are you so defensive about it?

R280, Please take your continuing bullshit elsewhere.

We all know that never, ever, ever, in the history of gaydom have two femme guys or two masculine guys been attracted to one another.

Can't you find a different forum in which to troll?

It's connected to jealousy and insecurity. I have a cousin whose current husband left his previous wife for her, after carrying on a years-long affair with said cousin. And as the old saying goes, when a man leaves his wife for his mistress, he creates a vacancy. My cousin has tried to neuter him by taking issue with any of his interests that don't involve her or even take him out the house for a few hours (!) because she believes he's capable of cheating on her as well (a correct assumption). This has led to explosive fights, leading him to leave the home for days on end on a few occasions, which in and of itself has pushed her off the emotional deep end every time it occurs. Despite this, she sees no fault in her behaviour and only admits to it when he threatens to leave for good. A few months later she's back to the same old hen pecking and passive aggressive behaviour. The guy golfs, with his GUY friends. She's threatened by that. She even insinuated herself as a singer in his band, which his brothers are a part of so she could tag along for that hobby as well. The woman has no shame.

She doesn't see the irony of her controlling actions. If he's going to cheat, he'll find a way, and her behaviour just gives him more reasons to. I never understood this behaviour on the part of my cousin and believe this type of extreme insecurity is common in relationships with these types of origins.

R269 The statement you quoted was not my statement. But that statement doesn't disprove anything because the research says that the brains of gay men are more similar to those of heterosexual women but not exactly the same.

The statement from that other person wouldn't even be that wrong because it could apply to two rather feminine acting gays being in a relationship which would not be alike but similar to two heterosexual women being in one. That's why most people find gay relationships odd by the way.

Also, according to that person's statement a masc and fem gay relationship could however resemble a straight relationship. A lot of combinations are possible which do not disprove the research.

And regarding your question if I'm even gay. I wonder that too sometimes because I only had two sexual partners, only one relationship, I haven't aquired any stds, I don't use poppers and meth but I use condoms. Yet I still am a man who is sexually attracted to other men. So just because someone thinks differently than you doesn't mean they have a different sexual orientation.

R268 I'm not wrong. What you described shows that the son grew up without his father around most of the time. I'd never procreate with someone who I know will have no interest in raising a child. Her fault and now as a result she was apparently so strict with raising her son that her son probably thinks now that enjoying life like his father did/does is bad and should be avoided. Sad. Let men/boys be free.

Gay men are essentially women in terms of their minds. Men who have transitioned to women are our true heroines, since they had the courage to become their true selves. It's more difficult to admit to oneself that their birth sex doesn't align with their true gender than it is to admit to oneself that they are homosexual. When you mock women you are also mocking gay men. Misogyny=homophobia.

R288 This does not apply to all gay men. In this discussion we have already found out that there are also masculine gay men. If someone is truly trans, this person will notice and should transition. But to label every gay men acting feminie or having feminine interests as trans is asinine.

Fraus on this thread aren't exactly helping combat their reputation as being so defensive, tender to the touch, and easily triggered.

When woman stop hording shoes like a toilet paper pandemic then come talk to us about men's interests.

R291

[quote] Why do Hetero women feel the need to invade gay spaces?

Because their hetero lifestyle is boring. They wish more than anything to have penises and be gay men.

A college friend of mine and his wife just bought a house in the burbs after living in a small duplex the last few years. He has an impressive sports memorabilia collection that's all sitting in boxes in his parents' basement - told the wife he wanted to make a small "sports room" in their new basement. Trite, I know, but he used to talk in college about how one day he'd have a house with a room for all his stuff.

But she said no. That's childish. She wants a "workroom" where she can wrap gifts and work on her scrapbooks and other undefined "small projects." He is not putting up a fight.

Another example, Facebook friend who took the day off work on Wednesday to golf from sunrise to sunset - an annual outing he makes on the solstice - posted an "apology" to his wife for "being so understanding and putting up with my dumb traditions."

Men are, in general, more direct. Women have perfected the, "if I am not happy, nobody is going to be happy" defense. A man may win the battle, but a woman will make you pay for it until the day you die.

R294 Pussy holds no power over me. When the women around me figure this out -- that all their simpering, cajoling, silent treatment and tears are for naught -- it drives them CRAZY.

I pay "hole rent" to no woman.

If I were your friend with the sports stuff, that bitch would come home and see where I put it (i.e., where I want it) and that would be the end of the conversation.

[quote] Why do Hetero women feel the need to invade gay spaces?

This, X 1000

[quote] I pay "hole rent" to no woman.

Ooh, watch out, no filter on this guy!

Women who can't control their husbands often invade gay spaces to do the same this. Exactly what is happening in this very thread. Women love control and it drives them nuts when they don't get it.

Lesbians really aren’t this pressed about straight men. I don’t get the beef...

Everyone in this thread is embarrassing themselves, gay men and Frauen.

I used to go to the Nob Hill theater in San Francisco and women would come in in groups (like a bachelorette party or something)

Totally pissed me off.

Gosh darn, do any of you gays even know any straight married couples? You'll find that most having loving, fulfilling relationships. My hubs and I work as a team. It sounds like most of you are projecting your mommy issues and/or gender dysphoria issues onto straight women, which is not fair. Just remember, we normally hate in others what we hate most in ourselves, hector projectors! And by the by, your transphobia is so telling, but you're all so self-unaware, it's actually pretty tragic.

[quote] Lesbians really aren’t this pressed about straight men.

Because straight men mind their own business and don't try to invade your space.

Not true, r303. This is going to sound strange, but I sometimes look for lesbian porn on the many porn sites out there. I'm serious when I say that when you search for ANY lesbian videos, you will find a few but all of them are peppered with vids of men fucking women and then tagging the videos for lesbians. I would say it's a fluke, but it happens on every site. And yes, sometimes we lesbians enjoy watching porn to get off but it's like these guys get some weird thrill about making sure to thumbnail their vids with pics of their cocks. I'm pretty sure it's intentional simply because of the prevalence of it. For example, go on porn hub, type in Lesbian breast sucking and there will be maybe 10 vids of actual women on women and the rest will be some black dude with a beard sucking on titties.

[quote]Gosh darn, do any of you gays even know any straight married couples?

Yes, 3 our of the 4 couples are now divorced. I went to all of their weddings. In every case the woman was the one that really wanted to get married and the one that wanted the divorce.

By the way, what an odd question, you realize more than 90% of the population is straight right? There is no way to escape straight couples at work, in our neighborhood on TV, in movies, at public events with family, relatives pretty much ALL of society. Our parents were all straight you ditzy Frau. It's a straight world and every weekend is basically straight pride at any given bar or drinking establishment.

I know a lot of het couples. More het couples than I know gay ones. As I said above, I knew the couple where the woman didn't want to have to go back to work so she got pregnant while the guy works two jobs to support her and the kids. She used to bitch about him to me all the time about what a moron he was. I know another couple where the husband really is a moron but the wife stays married to him because she can boss him around. She enjoys it but she also hates that he's a complete moron. I know another couple where the wife is never with her husband. He works, she works sporadically. She goes out constantly throughout the week with her friends drinking and having fun. I know this because I'm one of the friends she goes out with. I'm not sure why the husband is ok with her not doing things with him but she will even go on vacations without him. She used to complain that he was a big Mama's boy and they have almost divorced a few times. But again, it's the case where the woman clearly is in charge of the relationship and he's such a pussy he goes along with whatever she wants. She tells strangers that we meet in bars/restaurants that her husband has a tiny dick. I know another straight couple where my friend just had her boyfriend move in with her but only when she insisted they have an "open" relationship so she could fuck other guys and insisted that he have his own room at their house. I'm not quite sure why people stay in these situations but it's pretty much a pattern with my straight friend that the women have the power and the men are too pussified to do much. Hell, I even had a poly relationship with a woman who's husband knew about us and she made him a laughing stock by posting pictures of us together on social. When I broke up with her, she "married" another lesbian and posted the pics...even though she was already married to him. As far as I know, she's still "married" to both of them. When I say married to the lesbian, I mean they went to Vegas and had a ceremony but didn't actually get the marriage license because that would be illegal. Straight men are pussies, most of them.

R307 How old are these het couples you know?

R286/R267, yes you are wrong. You wrote, "I bet they will be surprised too when their adult sons will behave like their fathers." That was wrong. The son didn't turn out like the father.

You're also wrong in your post at R286 when you wrote, "Her fault and now as a result she was apparently so strict with raising her son that her son probably thinks now that enjoying life like his father did/does is bad and should be avoided." Her son enjoys his life just fine. Why do you assume because she raised him not to be lazy that she was "strict"? That's a leap. She let him have fun, let him pursue his interests, he enjoyed his high school years doing the activities he loved, he's enjoying college for the same reasons. He just doesn't only think of himself. Why are you trying to make that into some kind of bad thing? I know him--you don't. Just stop with the assumptions and pronouncements without an ounce of proof or knowledge of the actual situation.

Always with the posters these days who make such ridiculous assumptions and state them as absolute truth. An old saying but one you need to remember. Never assume, because you make an ASS out of U and ME.

r308, 40's and 50's.

Yeah straight woman have the power and want it both ways too. My partners niece has been married twice on her 4th "long term" relationship. Always to men but she considers herself queer because she likes to sleep with woman. She told me once her husband didn't care if she slept with other woman so when I said "so you are in an open relationship" she said she didn't think of it that way. So I pushed her farther and said is it ok if he can sleep with other woman, she said absolutely not! We're married!

R311 What a dumb bitch

You shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Just because you KNOW OF straight couples, doesn't mean you know all about them. You have no clue what goes on behind closed doors, but because you hate women and straight people so much, you make these blanket statements. That's like me saying all the gays are promiscuous, disease-carrying whores. I would be shredded here for making such a blanket statement, although sometimes it is difficult to hold my tongue. I'm loaded with ammo, but I refuse to shoot, because that's just the type of person I am.

Funny, r311, when I was in the open relationship with the straight, married woman I said that I would be looking to date other women too and she fucking flew into a rage saying that the equivalent would be for me to only date men. I'm a lesbian. Like that would happen. She told her husband that if he wanted to date men he could but not other women. Her husband is straight. It's one of the reasons I got out of that stupid "relationship." Most poly folks are crazy and I was too for getting involved in the first place. But the sex was good so there's that.

Thank God I'm a gay man. Yuck.

[quote]That's like me saying all the gays are promiscuous, disease-carrying whores. I would be shredded here for making such a blanket statement,

And yet lots of straight people come here and say just that.

r311, it's beyond insulting to lesbians when straight women do this. What it means is they don't think sex with a woman can mean as much as sex with a dude. And because I speak from experience, I would never do this shit again. Fuck these hets who think of us as their playthings.

Well, let's be honest. If one believes that the ultimate goal of lovemaking is to procreate, then no, lesbian sex is not as important as straight sex. However, that argument is basically moot, what with straight people fornicating solely for the purpose of pleasure, where sex becomes little more than just another bodily function, akin to peeing or taking a dump.

Straight woman use gay men as play things too. Surrogate husbands, dance partners, gal pals, stand in dates with a male, free design advice, everything except for having babies and actual sex. The reason I say play things instead of friends is that once they find Mr. Right, suddenly the gay friends are just and afterthought. You get a call only if there is nothing else to do, the husband is busy or they just had a fight. They would NEVER think of canceling date night with Mr. Right just because their so called best gay friend is having a birthday for example.

You guys spout these anecdotes as if they're facts. Stop generalizing! Misogyny=Homophobia.

[quote] But she said no. That's childish. She wants a "workroom" where she can wrap gifts and work on her scrapbooks and other undefined "small projects." He is not putting up a fight.

Is his wife a Candy Spelling follower?

[quote]Misogyny=Homophobia.

No it's not. Stop repeating this falsity. It's already been explained to you by another poster.

[quote] If I had all that sports stuff, that bitch would come home and see where I put it (i.e., where I want it) and that would be the end of the conversation.

Completely agree. That shit would be in the living room so the stupid cunt would have to look at it all the fucking time.

But women do that to all their friends R319, it has nothing to do with gay men. Women put a lot of effort into their romantic relationships, they make it a number one priority and there is only so much time in the day after that. If you didn't have such a huge chip on your shoulder you would see it.

[quote]Women put a lot of effort into their romantic relationships, they make it a number one priority and there is only so much time in the day after that. If you didn't have such a huge chip on your shoulder you would see it.

Oh, I don't have a chip on my shoulder, I know they do that to each other but that's their problem if they accept that kind of dysfunctional behavior. I don't have to put up with it.

Odd that making the man the number one priority in their life is still a thing in this day and age were equality in the work place and society in general is still trying to be achieved. Men don't do that which is why woman will always earn less than in society until their behavior changes to mach their desire to be treated as equals instead of dropping everything and everyone to live out that Harlequin novel.

I agree it's dysfunctional, I was just pointing out that it had nothing to do with the friend being gay.

[quote]You boys were getting me steaming mad

Good. We hope it continues.

R306 [quote] our parents were all straight

Well, that'sh a bit of shtretch

R313 I'm gay and I think the majority of gay men suffer from a lot of stds, feel free to voice your opinion here but it is also true that it is mostly the husbands who suffer in marriages these days.