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Drunk Boat Driving Murdering Frat Boy Son is Murdered with His Mother (Part Trois / Three)

Carry on.

by Anonymousreply 2618 hours ago

Why did those threads get deleted ?

by Anonymousreply 106/30/2021

They didn't file the necessary paperwork.

by Anonymousreply 206/30/2021

Well this DL murder mystery ended abruptly despite the enthusiasm.

by Anonymousreply 307/01/2021

I wonder why this thread hasn't taken off? I guess the other thread is driven by only one or two posters at this stage.

by Anonymousreply 407/01/2021

No new developments?

by Anonymousreply 507/03/2021

No videotape and Big Daddy is working with the police to keep a lid on things.

by Anonymousreply 607/06/2021

Has there been a woman comforting Ginge Daddy in his time of need?

by Anonymousreply 707/06/2021

R4, I wasn’t able to post in the earlier thread because it was paywalled. And throttled. And disappeared. In roughly that order.

Supposedly Alec the dad had a mistress with the initials “DB”. I couldn’t find anyone with those initials on his FB. I suppose I could ask the person who’s claiming it to PM me. Other people have.

by Anonymousreply 807/06/2021

Tonight on sick, sad world....

by Anonymousreply 907/06/2021

I ❤ you, r9!

by Anonymousreply 1007/07/2021

The Post and Courier (Charleston newspaper) had a public Zoom gabfest about this, this past Thursday, 7/1. I had signed up for it, but was too busy getting ready to leave town (and internet) for the holiday weekend at the time it occurred. Did anyone here attend? Was it notable?

by Anonymousreply 1107/07/2021

R11 You can watch it here, basically a rehash of known information.

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by Anonymousreply 1207/07/2021

Mandy Matney’s dropping her third podcast on the case right now. She’s the FITS News reporter who is the local journalist most knowledgeable about the case and working on it the longest. Unfortunately, she’s become super defensive about her vocal fry. She doesn’t seem to understand that it undermines what she saying and her intelligence and she wrongly states she can’t change it. If she would work with a speech therapist she could learn proper techniques to correct her breath and vocalization. I’m sure even in southern South Carolina she could find someone to help, but she seems completely closed off to hearing that information.

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by Anonymousreply 1307/07/2021

Madeline Kahn trained as a speech therapist.

by Anonymousreply 1407/07/2021

Oh yeah, big time vocal fry. It’s just laziness. She can absolutely change that if she wanted to.

In all fairness, she’s a writerly journalist, and that doesn’t always translate to broadcast journalism.

If I’m somewhere I can’t escape that kind of voice, I can deal with it. But I won’t willingly choose to listen to it I’m my free time. Unless she’s revealing exclusive juicy details, I’ll just read about it.

by Anonymousreply 1507/07/2021

Weird that some people have a problem with "vocal fry" but not nasal voices, hick accents, people who constantly mispronounce words........

by Anonymousreply 1607/07/2021

Lots of people dislike nasal voices, though.

by Anonymousreply 1707/07/2021

Yet, Dataloungers don't seem to go out of their way to complain about people with nasal voices and say they won't willingly chose to listen to someone with a nasal voice or call them lazy for not changing it....

by Anonymousreply 1807/07/2021

That's probably because Vocal Fry is considered a modern phenomenon and DL is mostly populated by "Get off my lawn!" types.

by Anonymousreply 1907/07/2021

r19, true

by Anonymousreply 2007/07/2021

I'm waiting for the sex tape of daddy, sons and the blond gay boy to surface

by Anonymousreply 2107/07/2021


by Anonymousreply 2207/07/2021

Just about every young white women in tv and radio commercials has fry. And, on NPR.

by Anonymousreply 2307/07/2021

No, they don't. But I see someone is itching to complain about women.

by Anonymousreply 2407/07/2021

Many do.

by Anonymousreply 2507/07/2021

This has some new audio and a shot of Stephen’s little yellow banana car.

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by Anonymousreply 2607/07/2021

Those brows.

by Anonymousreply 2707/07/2021

Connor Cook’s lawyers filed new depositions today, the only local paper I could read it in was The State, but a link to the article wouldn’t work. There’s new information about the crash. Is Sea Hunt a brand of boat, or was it the family name for it?

by Anonymousreply 2807/08/2021

^A brand of boat. It was the name of a TV show back in the 60's too, but I don't remember a thing about it. It's where the name of the brand came from, ultimately.

by Anonymousreply 2907/08/2021

Sea Hunt starred Lloyd Bridges as an professional scuba diver and between him and the guest stars it was beefcake heaven. Kind of a 1950s equivalent of Baywatch.

by Anonymousreply 3007/08/2021

I can’t believe they had a Sea Hunt. They are okay boats but are the sort of boat that someone who is… thrifty would buy. I can’t see entitled assholes like Timmy being happy with it. That family seems more like the type to have a Cobia or Freeman, which are nicer and much more expensive.

by Anonymousreply 3107/08/2021

Let's see if TPTB allow us to keep this thread active. Continued excerpts from the new article about boat crash investigation shenanigans.

"What Happened With The Field Sobriety Test?

Paul Murdaugh was not administered a field sobriety test at the scene — a move that was highly criticized by the public. So what happened with Paul Murdaugh’s field sobriety test? According to depositions:

• Robin Camlin, Brock’s supervisor at SCDNR, testified that she told Brock that both Connor Cook and Paul Murdaugh should be given a field sobriety test.

• Brock wrote in his report that he told Pritcher to give field sobriety tests to both Cook and Paul Murdaugh.

• Pritcher testified that Brock only told him to give Connor Cook a field sobriety test.

• When asked if Brock ever asked him to do a test on Paul Murdaugh, Pritcher said he didn’t remember, but said if Brock would have asked him to give Paul the test, he would have done it.

• Brock told Camlin that night that both individuals were offered to take the test.

Pritcher said that he offered Connor Cook a field sobriety test because he was starting to “zero in” on him as the main suspect. Connor Cook refused to take the test and Pritcher “filled the sheet out for refusal.”

Paul Murdaugh was never offered a field sobriety test — so no such document exists for him. Pritcher said the purpose of offering a field sobriety test is to gather evidence. Pritcher said he was trying to get a statement from Paul Murdaugh when Paul’s father Alex Murdaugh and grandfather Randolph Murdaugh III walked in and stopped him.

“They came in and said Paul’s not saying anything else, and I told them I’m talking to Paul and they said no, you’re talking to us now,” Pritcher said. Pritcher said that was the moment when “everything clicked in who the Murdaughs were.”

He said he knew “that they were just lawyers in the area and owned a bunch of land,” the lawsuit said. Pritcher then went into Paul’s ex-girlfriend’s room, he testified. Pritcher described her as “skittish” and told her she was worried because Alex Murdaugh was trying to come into her room.

Pritcher’s report said that Alex Murdaugh tried to enter her hospital room while she was speaking to SCDNR.

According to depositions, it appears as though Paul’s ex girlfriend — who suffered a horrific injury in the crash —at first indicated in her statement to SCDNR that she thought Connor may have been driving, but she changed that statement within minutes. She said her head was under a blanket at the time of the crash."

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Grossly Intoxicated?

While an initial report by the Port of Port Royal police department said that all five boaters were grossly intoxicated when authorities arrived on the scene, multiple depositions and other reports dispute that claim. However, depositions and reports do all make one common accusation — that Paul Murdaugh appeared grossly intoxicated on the night of the crash.

Several of the boaters testified Paul appeared drunk leading up to the crash. According to depositions:

Paul was visibly drunk and it was obvious to the other boaters it wasn’t safe for him to be driving.

After they left the dock in Beaufort, Paul started driving extremely slowly.

Paul took his clothes off while in the boat (while the temperature was about 59 degrees). One boater said Paul was “acting like he was on drugs” and making a fool out of himself.

On several occasions, Connor Cook took the wheel of the boat while Paul paced around shouted at his then-girlfriend

Paul Murdaugh then pushed, spit on, and slapped his then-girlfriend in the face.

Several police reports and law enforcement officers testified that Paul Murdaugh appeared to be very intoxicated after the crash. According to depositions:

Keener said Paul was “just being belligerent and stupid.”

Keener said they had to send a deputy with Paul in the ambulance because “he was being so stupid and drunk.”

Pritcher said that Paul appeared intoxicated at the hospital and was “acting pretty act of control.”

Pritcher said Paul Murdaugh had to be strapped to a gurney and there was a security officer monitoring him at the hospital.

A Beaufort County sheriff’s office report said Paul was “almost aggressive towards EMS personnel” during the ambulance ride to the hospital.

These reports underscore concerns as to why Paul Murdaugh was not administered a field sobriety test.

Because of the initial confusion in the investigation, it took two months for authorities to charge Paul with three felony counts of boating under the influence. Unlike the vast majority of felony BUI cases, Paul Murdaugh never stepped foot in jail. At the time of his death, he was facing 25 years in prison for the charges.

Pic of Paul out drinking a month before he was killed

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Why did police focus on both Paul and Connor?

In multiple depositions, attorneys played audio from the scene that indicated Anthony Cook was very clear about who was driving the boat.

Yet, reports from Brock, Keener, and Pritcher were anything but clear.

For example, Anthony Cook told Brock that he knew Paul was driving at the boat and that “Paul Murdaugh killed (his) girlfriend,” according to a Parris Island military police officer’s sworn affidavit.

But Brock didn’t write that in his report.

Instead, Brock wrote that Anthony “flipped out and was yelling at Paul” and didn’t write why he was angry at Paul Murdaugh in the aftermath of Mallory Beach’s disappearance.

According to depositions in the case, Brock allegedly broke protocol when he didn’t record Anthony Cook’s interview. Tinsley said that Brock indicated in his report he had a tape of Anthony Cook’s interview on scene, but Brock testified that he no longer had the recording.

Pritcher, the first DNR officer on scene, wrote in his report that Anthony Cook said he didn’t know who was driving the boat.

However, after attorneys played audio from the scene in deposition, Pritcher admitted that Anthony told him Paul Murdaugh was driving the boat. Pritcher acted confused when he was confronted about his statement that contradicted audio from the scene.

Like Brock, Keener also wrote in his report that it was “unclear” who was driving the boat.

However, he admitted in his deposition that this assessment was his personal opinion and that no one else said anything to him that would indicate Connor Cook may have been driving the boat.

by Anonymousreply 3407/08/2021

Last one

Murdaugh Connections

The three officers in question all testified to knowing of the Murdaugh family before the boat crash and each said they had some ties to the powerful family.

Michael Brock, who worked at SCDNR at the time of the crash as an investigator and now works at SLED as an alcohol control agent, admitted in his deposition that he knew the Murdaugh family. Brock was asked multiple times about his connection to the Murdaugh family. According to his deposition:

Brock said he wouldn’t call the Murdaughs “friends,” because “(we) don’t go on vacations together or out to dinners or anything like that.”

Later, he said that John Marvin Murdaugh (Paul’s uncle) “probably” had his cell phone number.

Then he admitted to going to the Murdaugh’s river home “once or twice, three times.”

Brock’s wife Sarah Brock used to work at the Murdaugh law firm.

In Brock’s deposition, he told attorneys that John Marvin Murdaugh is friends with Michael Paul Thomas, a SCDNR officer.

Beach’s attorney alleges that John Marvin Murdaugh was in “frequent or very constant communication” with Michael Paul Thomas on Feb. 24, 2019. John Marvin Murdaugh brought the trailer to the crime scene to help get the boat out of the water, according to Brock. Brock, who was responsible for collecting evidence in the case, said he “didn’t recall” ever being removed from the case due to a potential conflict of interest, but said that “it would make sense.”

It’s unclear how long Brock worked on the case. He started working for SLED in 2020.

Austin Pritcher, the first SCDNR officer at the scene of the boat crash around 3:30 a.m., was also asked multiple times about his potential ties to the Murdaugh family. According to his deposition:

At first, Pritcher said he does not know the Murdaugh family.

Then, when asked if he ever hunted with the Murdaughs, Pritcher said he had been to their golf tournament once.

Pritcher said that his father Donnie Pritcher (a captain at SCDNR who was also involved in the case) and was Michael Paul Thomas (Murdaugh family friend mentioned above) also attended the tournament.

Pritcher said he was instructed to meet John Marvin Murdaugh at the crash scene that morning to get the trailer for the boat just hours after the crash.

Pritcher said he hadn’t met John Marvin Murdaugh before the incident. He said that Michael Paul Thomas likely gave him his number.

As FITSNews previously reported, two Beaufort County deputies on scene that night had direct ties to the Murdaugh family.

Staff sergeant Jason Malphrus — who supervised the agency’s response on the evening of the crash — was being represented by Alex Murdaugh at the time of the boat crash. He is not mentioned in the depositions.

Corporal Jack Keener, a Beaufort County sheriff’s office deputy, also had connections to the Murdaughs’ law firm. In 2015, the firm, PMPED, helped Keener and his family win a $2.5 million settlement, according to court documents. In deposition, Keener claimed he didn’t know the Murdaughs.

He said he never met Paul or his family but “knew of the name”

He said he had nothing to do with his family’s lawsuit

“I only know that their family was lawyers and whatnot from Hampton, that’s all I know.”

by Anonymousreply 3507/08/2021

Lawt was the gay boi being passed around? Only gay in the village thing. Everyone wanted him dead!

by Anonymousreply 3607/08/2021

Will heads roll?

by Anonymousreply 3707/08/2021

I would say that Paw Murdaugh is heading for a hell of a lot of trouble right now.

by Anonymousreply 3807/08/2021

^His seamy meddling in all kinds of nefarious activities is going to come to light, even if he didn't have anything to do with the murders (all 3 of them).

by Anonymousreply 3907/08/2021

Listening to Mandy’s screechy voiced podcast about the boat wreck. I’m surprised her sources didn’t alert her to what was coming with the new court depositions today, which would have impacted what she’s reporting on. I guess the good thing is she’s calling this part one and maybe she’s going to use part two as a contrast with the new information. She does call out the 911 operator as problematic and not doing a very good job. She does say the operator left her position a few weeks later, I wouldn’t want someone that incompetent doing that job. She makes Jennifer Love Hewitt look like a rockstar in comparison.

by Anonymousreply 4007/08/2021

FYI this isn’t the third thread that existed and then disappeared, this is a second third thread that someone launched.

by Anonymousreply 4107/08/2021

R38 What really jumped out at me was Alex entering or attempting to enter the hospital rooms of the boat crash victims immediately. That is really, deeply "problematic" as the kids say. Though I'm sure if you asked him, he'd just put on the Andy Taylor act and say "Shucks, I was jus' bein' neighborly and wanted to see how those kids was gettin' along!"

by Anonymousreply 4207/08/2021

Sounds like a cluster fuck of denials and Mariah Carey's "I don't know her".

by Anonymousreply 4307/08/2021

This seems to be a new entry in the local press about this story. I don’t know where the weird stock photo comes from, it’s not in the story when you go to the link. The title seems strange, sounding like they are trying to alert the reader to Paul being framed, maybe this is the paper the Murdaugh have more control over? My favorite part is “…key evidence may still be missing, including Murdaugh’s phone and pants…”. Yes, we all want to know what happened to Timmy’s pants!

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by Anonymousreply 4407/08/2021

R35's item is crazy, even for cops. The various cops disallowing knowledge of the Murdaughs.

Do you know the Murdaughs?

No. I don't know them.

But my wife has worked for them

You might find their phone number on my mobile.

Have you ever visited their beach house?

Umm, one, twice, thrice...

Rich people in small places in the South are crafty about spreading work and favors around. Instead of having one man do all their small household repairs, they call a new guy each time. Excited by the prospect of further work they do a low-ball estimate, get the job, then with some vague promises are never called upon again. Everyone is left hanging thinking maybe, job maybe they call me about that big job they told me about. Never happens, and the big man in the small town spreads his personal ties and gets some cheap work along the way.

Seems the Murdaughs may have been practicioners of this old version of another type of patronage.

by Anonymousreply 4507/08/2021

Now I need to re-read "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil" again, because this case is bringing one of the more chilling things about the book to mind... the suggestion that in Savannah, there is an "aristocracy" that is allowed to get away with crimes from petty cheating to DUIs to murder, because of who their family is. And that the tragedy of Jim Williams was not that he was wrongly accused, but that he thought his social climbing had made him a member of the class that could get away with shooting a piece of ass that had become a nuisance, but... for all this wealth and his friendships with the local Old Money, he was still a jumped-up little fag after all, and the local justice system wasn't going to hush it up they way the rural authorities seem to have been hushing up a crime committed by a Murdaugh.

I think the corruption runs deep in both places, and has for a very long time.

by Anonymousreply 4607/08/2021

I live in Birmingham - same dynamics here.

by Anonymousreply 4707/08/2021

It’s very strange how every southern news agency has exploded in covering the filing of the depositions yesterday, which are only explicitly pointing out the corruptions that existed between law enforcement and the Murdaugh family that were already quite obvious beforehand. The irony of course is that the Murdaughs, who have always used the law as a means to control and exploit others, is now having it be used against them, and I bet they are totally pissed. Corruption seems to be an even bigger news story suddenly then the killings themselves. I do find all the talk of Paul running around in his underwear quite titillating for some reason.

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by Anonymousreply 4807/09/2021

This story, if it did lack spice, certainly has been spiced up by the the latest submissions.

Is there anymore information on who the killer(s) might be? Have the police released any further information?

by Anonymousreply 4907/09/2021

So basically, this is going to be a cold case, then?

by Anonymousreply 5007/09/2021

Civil conspiracy? These are mighty strong words.

I wonder how Pop and Buster are holding it together?

by Anonymousreply 5107/09/2021

They must be shutting a brick.

by Anonymousreply 5207/09/2021

Paul has bossy bottom face

by Anonymousreply 5307/09/2021

In my mind, I keep seeing Paul as Prince Harry. Spoiled drunk ginger.

by Anonymousreply 5407/10/2021

R54 I can totally see Paul in a Nazi uniform at a Halloween party.

by Anonymousreply 5507/10/2021

R55, in all fairness, it was a "Bad Taste" themed party and The Producers had just opened in the West End. Harry was kind of screwed with that.

by Anonymousreply 5607/10/2021

R56 OK then, I can totally see Paul in Vegas with a prostitute playing naked pool, but leaking his own photos instead of paparazzi.

by Anonymousreply 5707/10/2021

Yup, I could see that.

by Anonymousreply 5807/10/2021

I can see drunk Harry stripping down and commandeering a boat which he drives into a pile in a Paris tunnel.


Seriously, though, we all know some rich wastrel who is a similar cautionary tale. I knew one who had a mangled hand because he was holding some fireworks when they went off. He was always drunk and always had booze or drugs for our underage partying. I wasn’t cool enough to be on his radar for special inclusion, but wasn’t so uncool as to be a target for his bullying. Nobody really liked him, but everyone hung out with him anyway, for the booze and cars and to see what shenanigans he’d come up with — and get away with. The cops didn’t like him, either, but their hands were kind of tied.

And now I’m going to google and see if he’s still around.

by Anonymousreply 5907/10/2021

^^ Oh my. He has several mugshots online, and many offenses, including sexual assault. If he’d stayed in his New England hometown, he might have been protected. But the criminal allure of Florida is too great for some…

by Anonymousreply 6007/10/2021

R60 He's become a Florida Man! What are his days?

by Anonymousreply 6107/10/2021

Sad last.

by Anonymousreply 6207/10/2021

^ The legal system of Florida makes it a haven for people who have debt judgments against them in other places. The system protects their assets there. Same for Texas, North Carolina, and South Carolina. This explains a good deal about those places. Criminals and grifters gravitate to them.

by Anonymousreply 6307/10/2021

R63 Which is the way it should be. For once Florida, Texas, NC, and SC are the more progressive and humane of states.

by Anonymousreply 6407/10/2021

The laws were passed, quite cynically, by the legislatures of all 4 states, to attract residents.

by Anonymousreply 6507/10/2021

R65 It doesn't matter why. Only that it is law.

by Anonymousreply 6607/10/2021

Part of Texas mythology is that it was a place to start over. Supposedly people back east would go bankrupt or the farm would fail and they'd say "fuck it." Supposedly they would write GTT on the door, standing for Gone to Texas, then head west.

by Anonymousreply 6707/10/2021

[quote]I do find all the talk of Paul running around in his underwear quite titillating for some reason.

All I can think of is Ned Beatty running through the woods in Deliverance.

by Anonymousreply 6807/10/2021

And squealing like a pig. Since Ned Beatty died recently, it's ALL I can think about, frankly.

by Anonymousreply 6907/10/2021

This is most notable for the plethora of photos, especially Connor Cook and his Justin Bieber “Baby, Baby, Baby” haircut, which he probably had long after the trend. There’s also a photo of the four M girls all together- Mallory, Morgan, Miley and Madison. I bet Madison spends the rest of her life thankful that the oyster roast was on her island and she didn’t have a good excuse to be on the party boat with the rest of the besties. This is also the first time I’ve seen the Paul in the Madras shirt picture captioned as being from the Attorney General’s Office, which leads to the confirmation that it served as his mug shot taken in the court house hallway with an iPhone. The boat images are confusing about the size and setup, can anyone with boat knowledge find an image of the boat style and model that they were in?

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by Anonymousreply 7007/11/2021

I’m wondering if anyone has explored that the remaining girls Madison, Miley and Morgan might be in a Practical Magic covent and have used Magic to enact their revenge? They could be using the Charmed power of three to bring down the Murdaughs.

by Anonymousreply 7107/11/2021

They just needed to visit the old blind, negro hag with a blue door on her shack in the swamp.

by Anonymousreply 7207/11/2021

That boat is a lower-end model Sea Hunt with a center console, storage box built into the bow, and a bench seat in the stern. Here is a example of the general layout, though I think this one is a little larger than the Murdaugh boat. While it can seat six it’s not really interned for that many or more people, especially not going full-throttle.

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by Anonymousreply 7307/11/2021

This new article in the DM has several pictures of the boat taken right after the collision.

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by Anonymousreply 7407/11/2021

^ Sorry, I see I was late to the game with the DM article. I'll try to keep up.

by Anonymousreply 7507/11/2021

See? The DailyMail gets the scoop/photos.

by Anonymousreply 7607/12/2021

That Miley girl has a real Laura Jean Witherspoon quality.

by Anonymousreply 7707/12/2021

The whole boating accident seems like a plot point out of a Final Destination film, I wonder if the other four thought they each escaped death that night only to be living in with complete anxiety that they are next for a gruesome death. I wonder if they’ve gathered since Paul’s murder.

by Anonymousreply 7807/12/2021

Any news on the actual investigation itself?

by Anonymousreply 7907/12/2021

R79 "LOL!" -- SLED

Really, the silence makes me suspect that SLED is every bit as inept and corrupt as the local cops.

by Anonymousreply 8007/12/2021

^Agreed. If the cops got Mom's phone, I just have a feeling it's got something highly interesting in it, since the killer(s) had enough sense to carry it away with them (but were too stupid to destroy it or at least toss it into nearby deep water).

by Anonymousreply 8107/13/2021

Were there alligators on the property who might of molested the bodies if daddy hadn’t gotten there with such perfect timing? Do they come a crawling when they smell fresh blood?

by Anonymousreply 8207/13/2021

[quote]Do they come a crawling when they smell fresh blood?

You are referring to the alligators, correct?

by Anonymousreply 8307/13/2021

R83 Well we already know the lawyers do, especially the personal injury ones. Even Stephen’s family received the call after the coroner from Randy Murdaugh looking to represent them in a negligence case after all.

by Anonymousreply 8407/13/2021

[quote]who might of molested


by Anonymousreply 8507/13/2021

R85 That’s the right term, what are you upset about?

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by Anonymousreply 8607/13/2021

Really? Really?

“Might OF” is the right term?


by Anonymousreply 8707/13/2021

Might have, dear.

by Anonymousreply 8807/13/2021

R74 Connor Cook should have been gunned down for that haircut.

by Anonymousreply 8907/13/2021

This story broke yesterday, it isn't connected with the Murdaugh case and is in a different county and circuit, but not too far from the locations in this case. It gives you an idea of how people can become so powerful in these local positions that no one thinks of checking to make sure they are doing things correctly. This guy was coroner for 40 years now all the records are missing. I would imagine something similar could be taking place in Hampton, as well. Which would cause headaches for investigators, especially SLED. They are already seen with suspicion, just like when the FBI is called in, because they aren't "locals."

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by Anonymousreply 9007/13/2021

That is fucked up, r90.

Sounds to me like the former coroner is a butt hurt bitch and decided to get rid of everything - including the office - so the new coroner looks like a fool.

Man! I would be livid! The taxpayers paid that fuckers salary and he is fucking THEM over. No death certificate, no tax claims, no insurance claims, no death benefit claims. Nothing.

I hope that former coroner gets dragged from his house and beaten in the streets for fucking those taxpayers over. But they're so stupid they'll probably blame the new coroner.

by Anonymousreply 9107/13/2021

The newly elected black lesbian coroner beat his own deputy coroner in the election. A lot of sexism, racism, and homophobia on action. I'm glad she's speaking publicly. The county has a right to sue him, doesn't it?

by Anonymousreply 9207/13/2021

R92 The state and residents probably can. But, the coroner is elected and therefore not actually under the control of the county.

by Anonymousreply 9307/13/2021

This also happened in Newton County, Ga.

by Anonymousreply 9407/13/2021

Bizarre that you Americans elect a Coroner.

It's a professional position, not a political one. Most odd.

by Anonymousreply 9507/13/2021

R95 Worse than that is that they usually also own a local funeral home. Which seems like a bit of a conflict of interest to me.

by Anonymousreply 9607/13/2021

There’s coroners and then there are medical examiners and they are very different.

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by Anonymousreply 9707/13/2021

If I ran for coroner my election slogan would be "I want to be coroner of all the people!"

by Anonymousreply 9807/13/2021

[quote]Bizarre that you Americans elect a Coroner.

[quote]It's a professional position, not a political one. Most odd.

Haven't you ever voted for your sheriff, R95?

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by Anonymousreply 9907/13/2021

Bonnie was the most photogenic. She looks amazing on her mid 1980s album cover.

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by Anonymousreply 10007/13/2021

Georgia seems a sort of Ground Zero for mortuary malfeasance. And South Carolina has had some scandals, too.

Disgusting people.

And coroners as elected officials...not a good idea for modern times.

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by Anonymousreply 10107/13/2021

Mandy has her 4th Podcast coming out today, the 2nd part of the Stephen Smith murder examination.

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by Anonymousreply 10207/14/2021

Has she worked on her Vocal Fry?

by Anonymousreply 10307/14/2021

R103, that made me laugh because it’s the first thing I wondered.

I like what she’s doing, and I’ll happily read what she has to say, but I don’t want to listen to ANYONE’s podcast. If they have vocal fry, I can’t.

by Anonymousreply 10407/14/2021

Yeah, no, she still sounds like…. That.

by Anonymousreply 10507/14/2021

R98: Jessica Mitford, of the famous British Mitford sisters, wrote "The American Way of Death" back in the '50's, a notorious expose' of the American funeral "industry," and she became famous as a journalist. Later, she was living in Oakland with her attorney husband (who ultimately represented Angela Davis, among others), and her husband was running for some local political office out there. People encouraged Jessica to run for Coroner of her county too, and she kind of went along with the joke, and had campaign signs and posters for herself printed up. Her campaign slogan was "DROP DEAD!" (Her book of collected letters, *Decca*, is one of the funniest books I've ever read).

by Anonymousreply 10607/14/2021

It is crazy about coroners. My county had a great woman for years. She didn’t own a funeral home, and really cared about her job. Her main focus was educating the public about dangers. Every year she went to all the high schools to share with us her experiences with drunk driving accidents. Sadly she died from breast cancer. The others since then have been crap. I usually dislike elected officials staying in office for too long, but I would’ve gladly kept re-electing her.

by Anonymousreply 10707/14/2021

Part II of the Stephen Smith case files are up. Some new tidbits:

- a TINY quantity of blue paint chips were found on Stephen but since at some point there was a break in the chain of custody with Stephen's clothes, it could have come from anywhere.

- Stephen had a hookup with an older man (called "Joe" here)

Sandy Smith found a day pass for a Hilton Head gated community with Joe’s name on it.

Joe was older and recently divorced. He met Stephen online, but said “no money exchanged.” Joe said he deson’t do “this kind of thing very often. He said they hooked up on June 28, but it was a one-night stand. Joe said he texted him a few times after that and didn’t realize he passed away until he was contacted by Sandy.

- a drama queen tipster named Kevin reiterates the Buster/Murdaugh rumors, says Buster sold coke to a friend of his, and Moselle was underage party central.

- Kevin says when he originally heard Stephen’s death, he thought it was Paul they were talking about because he’s more the “I don’t want to say troublemaker. He’s more the ‘my last name is Murdaugh, I can do whatever.’”

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by Anonymousreply 10807/14/2021

Thanks, Sylvia!

All the skeletons will come tumbling out, now. I wonder if Buster took services as trade for product.

by Anonymousreply 10907/14/2021

Thank you, Mrs. Prowler.

by Anonymousreply 11007/14/2021

Just listened to the podcast.

I wonder how much older the "older man" hookup was.

Stephen's "boyfriend" sounded like an older guy, too.

by Anonymousreply 11107/14/2021

Mike of "That Chapter" put out a YouTube video re: the Murdaughs. He does mention the rumor that Buster Murdaugh (brother of the murdered Paul Murdaugh) may have had a relationship with Stephen Smith (young gay man found dead under suspicious circumstances). At least that's what I think Mike said in the video.

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by Anonymousreply 11207/14/2021

So, for those who have listened to Mandy’s 4th episode and read the FITS News article, are they the same thing, just her reading it?

by Anonymousreply 11307/14/2021

Local newspapers file more lawsuits for the release of police information.

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by Anonymousreply 11407/16/2021

Here’s my question: if Buster was the one screwing Smith, why would Paul be the one to kill him? Was it some kind of honor killing? Wouldn’t he want to kill his brother for being the gay?

I think if the Murdaughs killed Smith it was about drugs or money.

But I could be wrong.

by Anonymousreply 11507/16/2021

Paul may have had a reason to kill Smith. Timmy may not have been so picky.

When people have alter egos for the binge drinking, you are liable to be dealing with a persona that needs no reason to tear you limb from limb.

by Anonymousreply 11607/16/2021

He does look like his momma.

You know what they say...

by Anonymousreply 11707/16/2021

The family that slays together, stays together.

by Anonymousreply 11807/16/2021

[quote]Here’s my question: if Buster was the one screwing Smith, why would Paul be the one to kill him? Was it some kind of honor killing? Wouldn’t he want to kill his brother for being the gay?

Buster, deeply in the closet, may have told Paul that Stephen was lying and telling people that he and Buster had hooked up, to innoculate Paul lest he heard that rumor.

That might have set Timmy off.

by Anonymousreply 11907/16/2021

If Buster was slinging coke then my money was Smith ran up a debt he couldn’t settle. Smith may have been selling too and dipped into the product. Not an unheard of scenario.

by Anonymousreply 12007/16/2021

My current theory is that Smith was sleeping with either Buster or the Father, who killed him. Paul found out and he and his mother, were planning to try and use that information to try and save Paul. Give the prosecutors a cold blooded murder in exchange for dropping an accidental death prosecution or at least go lenient as part of a plea bargain.

by Anonymousreply 12107/16/2021

Good plotting, r121. True or not, you may have a future in screenwriting.

by Anonymousreply 12207/16/2021

Gay boi could have easily tried to blackmail whomever. Shit, Gboi could have been a dealer for ginger.

by Anonymousreply 12307/16/2021

Rumor was that Stephen was seeing an "older man." I wondered if that was Alex Murdaugh, as he was Stephen's coach.

But now we hear about the old man on Hilton Head.

There was a rumor that Stephen was seen on his last night alive running from an older man in the woods.

by Anonymousreply 12407/16/2021

R124 He could've been seeing multiple older men. It seems like many of the young men on grindr, around here, are looking for "generous" guys.

by Anonymousreply 12507/16/2021

Drug running gigolo twink working for them.

by Anonymousreply 12607/16/2021

Besides Alex, there’s still Randy the Granddad, Randy the Uncle and John Marvin the Uncle Stephen could have been fooling around with. Was Craigslist still a thing back then or perhaps Apps in this small rural community that brought generous older men and entrepreneurial twinks together?

by Anonymousreply 12707/16/2021

The "older man" in Hilton Head said, "no money changed hands."

That seemed an odd thing to say and immediately made me think that it had.

by Anonymousreply 12807/16/2021

R128 Maybe he's a DLer and just assumes that everyone thinks that of him and his twink companions.

by Anonymousreply 12907/16/2021

The only thing of interest from this true crime blog post with the inexplicable stock photo, is that Pat Conroy made mention of the Murdaugh family in his memoir.

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by Anonymousreply 13007/16/2021

Southern Mafia

by Anonymousreply 13107/16/2021

The older man is 65 but looks decades younger.

by Anonymousreply 13207/16/2021

Yeah, well, rich people usually age more slowly. More self-care, and less stress to break down things at the cellular level.

As for the Murdaugh's being a Mafia family... where does one draw the line between Southern "aristocrats" and a Mob family? Both abuse their power and corrupt the local authorities, both rule their tiny fiefdoms through fear, etc. Maybe the "aristocrats" like the Murdaughs have better taste and fewer actual hitmen, but that's about it.

by Anonymousreply 13307/16/2021

Where does one draw the line between any aristocrats and a mafia family?

Some aristocrats go in for philanthropy, school boards and art collecting.

Guess what, so do some of the mafia.

by Anonymousreply 13407/16/2021

This story is its own Friday afternoon drinypoo.

Bad week? Here's a dead Southerner in a fur coat - may also be female.

by Anonymousreply 13507/16/2021

[quote]...where does one draw the line between Southern "aristocrats" and a Mob family? Both abuse their power and corrupt the local authorities, both rule their tiny fiefdoms through fear, etc. Maybe the "aristocrats" like the Murdaughs have better taste and fewer actual hitmen, but that's about it.

The Murdaughs are a powerful, rich, but absolutely not an aristocratic family. These things matter in the South Carolina Lowcountry and politics, influence, and power are viewed with the same skepticism as a fat bald guy in a red Corvette convertible: as flashiness compensating for the social equivalent of mid-life crisis and a tiny dick.

A century of grifting lawyers who ruled the county prosecutor's office, they amassed power and power and money, but that's hardly an aristocratic family by Lowcountry standards which can be pretty cunty.

by Anonymousreply 13607/17/2021

Power and power?

by Anonymousreply 13707/17/2021

R136, can you give an example of what an aristocratic lowcountry family would be like? What would their family business be? I’m assuming there’d be roads and land masses named after them. Would they be academics? Merchants? Landed gentry? Town or country?

I’m somewhat familiar with the Northeastern version of old money, but always curious about other regions. Serious question.

I see how the Murdaughs don’t make the cut, but would love to hear more about those who do.

by Anonymousreply 13807/17/2021

R138: I was taught that it was rude to ask someone about their work but this is so true in Charleston that people make a joke of not knowing if their good friend of decades works or not, let alone at what. It's a joke, of course, friends will have some knowledge of this, but there's truth to it, too, in that friends may genuinely have never discussed the subject.

In the Lowcountry, old family names have been more important than old money from well before the Civil War. Even in the late 18th and early 19thC there were good old Charleston names that were revived with new money from people with money in surplus but a shortage of respectability. But it 's a story much older and more universal than that.From the time of the Civil War the romantic notion of "too poor to paint, too proud to whitewash" that area families traded in until the real estate boon years than began in the 1990s. Even in the 1990s and beyond, there were people who lived in neglected family mansions, scraping by on handouts from family and quietly selling off a painting every time the roof leaks got too bad. Land and houses and history are a very big part of old family names.

Charleston is a 17thC city that grew substantially over 150 years, built on agriculture and trade in agriculture that thrived up until the Civil War. The oldest continuously operating synagogue in the U.S. is in Charleston. In the 18thC it was a city of race tracks and culture and education and trade in slaves, a seasonal city populated by families escaping the rural isolation of plantations and the miasmas of Yellow Fever for the refinements and social entertainments of city life for parts of each year. Charleston allied itself heavily with England: it sent its rich sons not to New England universities but to England to be educated; household goods and finery was bought heavily from England, rarely from America or the U.S. The basis of everything goes back to the the landscape and what it grew and the enslaved people who made it happen. The planter class was a bit rough and ready at the start but with the wealth involved soon became educated and well traveled and connected to worlds beyond fields of indigo or rice or or tobacco or cotton. You could argue that this remove from day to day plantation realities paved the way for a world where money was a dirty subject.

The merchant class took second place to the planter class, though some commission merchants did famously well and sometimes built in the flashier styles of the 19th Century, bigger and better to prove what the old families didn't have to. The sniffing of Thackeray characters for those "in trade" (pe-Civil War at least) has faded in time. The real demarcation, though, is Time itself. A family that has been in the Lowcountry since before the Revolutionary War, or better yet if there's some connection to the Huguenot migrations of the previous century...from splendid base you can weave some connection to any of the other old families of the Lowcountry and fit in if the others will have you.

Old families have both an interest and an aversion to people from away. The way to tell at some point if someone from away has passed muster is if the old family member fabricates some vaguely plausible connection between a distant relation of theirs and a supposed distant relation of yours, and suggests that "perhaps they were friends, or cousins even, I'm sure they were some kind of cousin these connections between your people and mine." If you pass that, you will get invited to parties and luncheons and for cocktails on porches.

There was a system of plantation house (country house) and city house (Charleston filling in for London in the borrowed English model.) The beach house thing was very much of the 20thC and often quite late. That definitely wasn't a big thing for the old landed class. Kiawah Island and the most expensive coastal developments are seen as something of an outsider thing.

by Anonymousreply 13907/17/2021

Having written all that, did you do their genealogy?

by Anonymousreply 14007/17/2021

[quote]The Murdaughs are a powerful, rich, but absolutely not an aristocratic family.

They would have been viewed as uppity trash in Charleston.

The town they lived in is one of the poorest in the state.

by Anonymousreply 14107/17/2021

People talking about the mob, it is very possible that over their years in office they could’ve become acquainted with the Dixie Mafia, which is real and largely underground.

by Anonymousreply 14207/17/2021

R139, some of what you wrote is true but a lot of it, like so much about the South, is lore that people like to repeat about themselves but bears little resemblance to actual life.

by Anonymousreply 14307/17/2021

The Low Country is like many places you have the true aristocrats whom most people don’t really know about and who lives quietly, with their dogs and beat up land rovers, then you have the nouveau riche and the offspring of the aristocracy behaving like money hungry trash, such as on the reality show Southern Charm.

by Anonymousreply 14407/17/2021

Another huge info dump from FITSNews, this time more investigation files into the boat crash. And a video of misc security cam footage from the night of, with Timmy buying illegal booze.

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Link below. Lots of good new stuff from hospital staff.

"Paul’s father, Alex Murdaugh, and grandfather — former solicitor Randolph Murdaugh — appeared at the hospital ten minutes after Paul Murdaugh, according to witness statements.

According to witnesses, Alex Murdaugh appeared to be more concerned with “orchestrating” a plan in the criminal investigation than finding Mallory Beach.

In fact, a security guard overheard Paul’s father on the phone saying “she’s gone, don’t worry about her.”

One of the nurses thought that Alex Murdaugh (above) seemed “cold and detached in regards to the victim/ injured.” She said she saw him monitoring the emergency room screen — presumably trying to track down boat crash victims. She told SCDNR it seemed as though Alex Murdaugh was “trying to orchestrate everyone” and getting them “on the same page.”

Several nurses noted they observed Alex Murdaugh moving from room to room a lot, while the other parents stayed with their children.

The charge nurse also told a security guard to “keep an eye on Alex Murdaugh” because he was “trying to enter other patients’ rooms.”

Specifically, Alex Murdaugh was seen multiple times trying to get into Paul’s girlfriend’s room.

“(Alex) Murdaugh tried getting into her room, telling the nurse, ‘he (has) to tell her what to say,'” the DNR report said.

Paul’s girlfriend did not let Alex in her room, though. However, a SCDNR officer noted that Alex Murdaugh was trying to get in her room while he was trying to get her statement.

Alex also was seen talking to Connor Cook — who broke his jaw in the crash — multiple times and telling him that “they were going to figure everything out.” Nurses also reported seeing Alex Murdaugh attempting to talk to Connor on the way to his CAT scan.

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by Anonymousreply 14607/17/2021

Paw Murdaugh sounds like a fucking creep. I hate these "fixer" types - fat, piggy-eyed bullies.

Is there any chance that Mallory's death was intentional? "Don't worry, she's gone" sounds pretty strange to say of a victim involved in an actual accident. To say nothing of completely heartless to the point of sociopathology.

by Anonymousreply 14707/17/2021

I doubt drunk-to-the-gills Paul/ Timmy would have been in any condition that night to participate in a murder plot, let alone one involving such precise maneuvering of a boat that only the targeted victim would be killed in the crash.

Besides, r147, what plausible reason would any of the Murdaughs have had to kill her?

by Anonymousreply 14807/17/2021

R145 "Timmy" is having trouble walking and seems very argumentative.

Mallory and her boyfriend seem very much into each other and disassociating from the rest of the group.

Paul looks like a leprechaun.

by Anonymousreply 14907/17/2021

[quote]a security guard overheard Paul’s father on the phone saying “she’s gone, don’t worry about her.”

I wonder if he said the same thing about Maggie in the 911 call they are not releasing.

by Anonymousreply 15007/17/2021

Ooh, dayum R150!

by Anonymousreply 15107/17/2021

[quote]"she’s gone, don’t worry about her.”

I assumed from that that Alex Murdaugh had based that on what his son or the others had said of the accident - that the violence of the accident and/or the fact that her body disappeared suggested she was likely dead.

by Anonymousreply 15207/17/2021

The bar receipts show that Timmy paid for his shots at the bar with Mama's credit card. Whole family of enablers who created a monster.

by Anonymousreply 15307/17/2021

"The town they [the Murdaughs] lived in is one of the poorest in the state."

I wonder how much of a role they've had in keeping the place poor?

by Anonymousreply 15407/17/2021

Ugh, Paul /Timmy paid for those shots with Momma Maggie’s credit card which was a Discover Card! My whole image of the family was been downgraded, what a trashy card to have. I’m surprised Paul didn’t insist on a Platinum AMEX and how embarrassing to have Margaret on it, better to have “M. Murdaugh.”

by Anonymousreply 15507/17/2021

Anthony Cook looks like a big, lovable, goofy, good ole boy, gentle giant in those videos and very sweet to Mallory. How weird is it to have some of you’re last few moments of your girlfriend’s life with you captured on video? Paul on the other hand looks to be constantly raging. Connor seems to have the Bieber haircut, wasn’t Feb.2019 late for that?

by Anonymousreply 15607/17/2021

If they do a movie just on the boating party I think they should call it “On Archer’s Creek.”

by Anonymousreply 15707/17/2021

Murdaugh On The Lake.

by Anonymousreply 15807/17/2021

Granddad Murdaugh says his grandson is as drunk as “Cooter Brown,” who is that some legendary lowland alcoholic, the Billy Carter of S. C.? I always thought Cooter was a euphemism for vagina.

by Anonymousreply 15907/17/2021

R159, I had heard -- and forgotten-- the expression, but here's the Wiki etymology.

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by Anonymousreply 16007/17/2021

Mother, May I Sleep with the Fishes?

by Anonymousreply 16107/17/2021

I supposed "The Demon Seed" is already copyrighted.

by Anonymousreply 16207/17/2021

I wonder if Maggie said something to set Timmy off. Like he wasn't getting a new BMW. And he shot her.

And Daddy got back after he'd done it. And was so enraged and disgusted with Paul, he shot him.

And then tied them both up to make it look like a planned double-execution.

by Anonymousreply 16307/17/2021

R160 Totally fascinating, thanks! I guess the drunk all the time kept him from becoming a folk hero like Paul Bunyan or Pecos Bill. I wonder why he re-emerged during the 80s and became better known, I guess those popular musical references helped, but what was the initial bump?

by Anonymousreply 16407/17/2021

"And then [papa Murdaugh] tied them both up to make it look like a planned double-execution."

A good medical examiner might be able to tell if the ropes were put on while a person was alive or not, if they were tight enough to cause chafing or bruising. There's no blood flow after death so no bleeding or bruising happens, so if you ever need to stage a crime scene please be aware of that.

But who knows if that rathole has a competent or honest medical examiner.

by Anonymousreply 16507/17/2021

So again there’s another discrepancy about how many were flung from the boat, this report saying three- Paul, Mallory and Anthony. The two girls at the very front aren’t thrown out at all and the two in the far back are ejected, and just one in the middle. And Connor must have slammed into something on the boat to have broken his jaw. Did Mallory’s autopsy get released with a description of sustained injuries and body trauma? I’m assuming they could distinguish if she was alive in the water for any point of time or if she was unconscious at impact and never retained consciousness before dying.

Another thing I remember from Anthony’s deposition is that he originally makes it to the opposite side of the river from everyone else and is on Parris Island. Then he decides to wade back over to be with everyone else taking twenty minutes and precariously swimming from bridge support to bridge support in rough waters. And from pictures at the scene he has an injured arm. Why didn’t he just walk up the bank and go cross over the bridge? He also would have been at a vantage point to look down and search for Mallory from above?

by Anonymousreply 16607/17/2021

R165 I think we’ve already established that there’s corrupt elected coroners here and not medical examiners, so Alex has all the likely power to control what’s said coming out of that office if that’s what he finagled in the past with Stephen’s exhumation.

by Anonymousreply 16707/17/2021

Who do we want to make the series about this? I don't want Ryan Murphy.

by Anonymousreply 16807/17/2021

I want an actor/director -Kevin Costner and I still want an unshaved Brendan Fraser for the role of Mamma in slip, fur, and pearls regardless of season or time of day.

by Anonymousreply 16907/17/2021

Murdaugh, She Wrote.

With Mandy Matney as Jessica Fletcher.

by Anonymousreply 17007/17/2021

R168 I want the Mare of Easttown team with their new HBO contract to take this on. Kate could even play Momma Murdaugh. They could easily just focus on the boating party for now since those depositions must be public record for them to legally work from.

by Anonymousreply 17107/17/2021

Then we learn Mama was forcing that young homosexual to perform depraved straight acts against his nature....

by Anonymousreply 17207/17/2021

Stephen and Mama? That would be an unexpected plot twist

by Anonymousreply 17307/17/2021

[quote]There's no blood flow after death so no bleeding or bruising happens, so if you ever need to stage a crime scene please be aware of that.

Thank you, Patsy. You are one of the most useful posters on DL.

by Anonymousreply 17407/17/2021

[quote]Murdaugh, She Wrote.

It is pronounced "Mur-dock"

by Anonymousreply 17507/17/2021

r175 = Hyacinth

by Anonymousreply 17607/17/2021

What does the DNR stand for in the SCDNR, because of course I’m always thinking it’s Do Not Resuscitate?

by Anonymousreply 17707/17/2021

Fine! It's "Murdough She Wroten"

by Anonymousreply 17807/17/2021

Dept. of Natural Resources, r177.

by Anonymousreply 17907/17/2021

Someone on Reddit transcribed the part about the Murdaughs in Pat Conroy’s memoir.

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by Anonymousreply 18007/17/2021

It's creepy seeing dead people in those surveillance videos.

by Anonymousreply 18107/17/2021

You know, I don’t even care that much about this story anymore. The Murdaughs seem like repulsive people.

I hope it was the husband and he goes to jail forever.

by Anonymousreply 182Last Sunday at 4:57 AM

People are wondering if cameras caught Paul buying drugs at Luther's bar.

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by Anonymousreply 183Last Sunday at 1:06 PM

R183 It's possible, but really hard to tell. Anyway, I thought Paul and Buster were dealing themselves? On the other hand, as the reddit people pointed out, it would make sense of why he just HAD to make a stop at that bar on the way home.

by Anonymousreply 184Last Monday at 4:03 AM

R184 They could be dealing but most dealers I've known also have dealers who might deal pills or something they don't. Fratty collage UofSC dealers tend to deal just in weed and cocaine. They aren't drug Walmarts. I would also mention that the area in which this family lives, has ALOT of drugs. I-95 runs right through there and is the main drug route from Miami to NYC.

by Anonymousreply 185Last Monday at 12:55 PM

This will come as no surprise. Is it me, or does the phrase “acting a fool,” seem like a southernism or something only your ninety year old grandma would say?

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by Anonymousreply 186Last Monday at 8:03 PM

R186 We all say it round here.

by Anonymousreply 187Last Monday at 8:09 PM

never understood the "acting" the fool, since for so many of them no "acting" was necessary, it was innate

by Anonymousreply 188Last Monday at 8:22 PM

Unlike periods or capitalization, r188?

by Anonymousreply 189Last Monday at 8:23 PM

spare, me

by Anonymousreply 190Last Tuesday at 6:12 AM

[quote]That test result showed Murdaugh, who was 19 at the time, had a blood alcohol concentration of over 0.28, according to a spokesman for the S.C. Department of Natural Resources. That’s more than three times the legal limit to drive a car in South Carolina.

Oops, Daddy Alex let that one slip by.

by Anonymousreply 191Last Tuesday at 6:24 AM

[quote]But deputies who beat DNR to the scene offered one key piece of information: Mallory Beach’s boyfriend was so angry with Murdaugh after the crash that the two had to be separated. The boyfriend was heard yelling, “That asshole needs to rot in fucking prison.”

I still would not be shocked if the murders were traced back to him somehow.

by Anonymousreply 192Last Tuesday at 6:25 AM

R191: I got my one and only DUI, at the age of 22, several decades ago. My blood alcohol level was .22 when I got arrested, and I can vouch for the fact that for almost the entire 24 hours prior to the test, I had eaten NO solid food at all, and had subsisted ENTIRELY on beer, drinking continuously for probably 10 solid hours up until I got arrested. I was DRUNK. That kid Alex was at .28. I think .33 is considered life-threatening.

by Anonymousreply 193Last Tuesday at 11:58 AM

I’m sure this is completely unsubstantiated and perhaps an outright fabrication, but it does sound in character.

Timmy: “Do you want to hold my penis?” (said in a drunken slur)

Grandpa Murdaugh: “Paul, Shut The Fuck Up You Drunk as a Cooter Fool!”

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by Anonymousreply 194Last Tuesday at 12:33 PM


It’s amazing he didn’t die of alcohol poisoning that night.

I can drink with the best of them, but why in the hell would you ever want to be that drunk? It feels terrible, isn’t fun, and you’re frying your brain.

by Anonymousreply 195Last Tuesday at 12:42 PM

He had to have his petite size working against him, despite some earlier chubby shots, he looks quite trim at the time of the accident and I’m sure oysters do absolutely nothing in terms of absorbing alcohol in your system.

by Anonymousreply 196Last Tuesday at 12:46 PM

Alex’s out of control behavior at the ER and that the nurses could smell alcohol on his breath too!

And it seems like there might be some documentation of Timmy asking for his penis to be held, in that when he was asked for a urine sample he asked the nurse if she was going to help.

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by Anonymousreply 197Last Tuesday at 1:14 PM

The Family of disassociative drunks...

"Only Big Shirl's allowed to hold yer pecker, Timmy! And I'm not that drunk yet."

Half the family angry you called them by the wrong name, the other half trying to remember all their middle names.... "Am I Dwayne Wane Payne Murdough or Millie Tilly Ogilvy Murdough?"

by Anonymousreply 198Last Tuesday at 1:27 PM

A three "y" (or two "y" and an "ie") name is just trashy, R198. There's no way about it.

by Anonymousreply 199Last Tuesday at 5:03 PM

Because of this case, I'm rereading "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil", and yeah, it's all very reminiscent. In the first chapter, there's mentions of everyone having guns, crimes and deaths within the upper classes hushed up, alcoholism and drunk driving seen as normal, devotion to a genteel appearance covering amorality, etc. There's even a mention of keeping major industry out of Savannah, because "we like things the way they are"., and to hell with anyone who needs a job. The Murdaughs must be the small-town downmarket version of these glamorous, amoral people.

There's a hell of a fabulous true-crime book in the Murdaugh case, if anyone ever takes the trouble to write it.

by Anonymousreply 200Last Tuesday at 6:35 PM

R200 Mandy’s probably working on a book as well as her articles and podcasts, but she is also spending way to much time on Twitter blocking people calling out her vocal fry. She needs an intern.

by Anonymousreply 201Last Tuesday at 6:42 PM

[quote]The Murdaughs must be the small-town downmarket version of these glamorous, amoral people.

what the hell is "glamorous" about these trashy, inbred, hideously ugly sociopaths ?

by Anonymousreply 202Last Tuesday at 7:03 PM

^Money, R202, money. Love IS NOT all you need. It's just money, old or new.

by Anonymousreply 203Last Tuesday at 7:34 PM

Creaky voice Mandy is dropping episode 5 later today.

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by Anonymousreply 204Last Wednesday at 7:16 AM

Local papers all seem to be dropping articles exploring more of the Friday files dump.

They apparently played some game called cornhole at the oyster roast, I’ve only hear of that as a sexual reference.

The food at the the roast is mentioned and that it supposedly was BYOB according to the party thrower. There was something called a crab boil that is not explained

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by Anonymousreply 205Last Wednesday at 12:16 PM

I think I've had crab boils.

Never thought of eating the bastards.


by Anonymousreply 206Last Wednesday at 12:19 PM

Well done, r206. I laughed aloud on the subway.

Cornhole is a game you play where you toss bean-bags through holes in a board. I don’t see the appeal, but if you BYOB, maybe it’s fun.

by Anonymousreply 207Last Wednesday at 12:34 PM

Crab boil explained

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by Anonymousreply 208Last Wednesday at 12:46 PM

Being a vegetarian all these complicated seafood cooking processes are overwhelming, how do you know what and when to bake, or roast or boil or bisque or chowder.

by Anonymousreply 209Last Wednesday at 12:49 PM

That corn cob cooked in the shellfish crap would not be very veggie at the end.

by Anonymousreply 210Last Wednesday at 12:51 PM

Believe it or not, there's a professional cornhole league. I stumbled across their championship event on ESPN earlier this month.

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by Anonymousreply 211Last Wednesday at 1:00 PM

So you get the crab boils after a game of cornhole?

That sounds about right.

by Anonymousreply 212Last Wednesday at 1:02 PM

I'm all about the cornhole

by Anonymousreply 213Last Wednesday at 1:02 PM

Cornhole is a lot like the concept of horseshoes except you have a sloped board with a hole in it as the target instead of a square of clay with a metal rod in it. Cornhole is a lot more mobile and the bean bags are lighter than horseshoes.

by Anonymousreply 214Last Wednesday at 1:10 PM

We just called it bean bag toss and you played it only at kid’s birthday parties.

by Anonymousreply 215Last Wednesday at 1:14 PM

I've never heard it referred to it as cornhole, just bean bag toss, but I'm on the west coast. It's actually fun and can be a pretty absorbing activity. It's also passive enough that you can chat with other party goers and all people of all ages and physical fitness can play. It's very inclusive. And it's safer than lawn darts.

by Anonymousreply 216Last Wednesday at 1:31 PM

R216 Now you tell me!

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by Anonymousreply 217Last Wednesday at 1:40 PM

Cornhole is extremely fun when high or drunk.

by Anonymousreply 218Last Wednesday at 4:05 PM

R218, I know!

by Anonymousreply 219Last Wednesday at 4:34 PM

The latest MM podcast is worth listening to for an extensive audio interview from the time of the crash with Miley, who apparently was the only one able to brace herself before the impact and was relatively uninjured. Paul borrowed Miley’s phone and insisted on calling his grandfather Randy before anyone else. Impressive that he would know that number, but it sounds like calling his powerful grandfather first was his standard MO when in trouble.

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by Anonymousreply 220Last Wednesday at 8:28 PM

R220 not surprised he knew the number, I’m sure they had drilled it into his head repeatedly.

by Anonymousreply 221Last Wednesday at 9:41 PM

I'm profoundly SHOCKED Paul Murdaugh actually got a blood tested at some point (three hours later?) despite his drunk Papa Alex and drunk Grandpa insistence otherwise when they showed up to the ER, claiming to be counsel for the injured. They kept trying to charge into the ER rooms of the injured.

Oh fuck, when if ever did they realize their profound, profound mistake? When they finally woke up to reality the next morning at another of Alex/Timmy's "transformations." Too many knew.

by Anonymousreply 222Last Wednesday at 11:19 PM

This is information rehash, but there are color photos of the boat after the wreck that others had asked about and blood is very obvious, and there are quick video snippets of Paul on the scene by the river most likely from a dash cam looking very anguished, talking on the phone and walking away.

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by Anonymousreply 223Last Wednesday at 11:28 PM

This captures better an image from the video above of Paul on scene after the crash with his wrist wrapped up and shirtless.

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by Anonymousreply 224Last Wednesday at 11:46 PM

That 911 operator was awful at her job, asking all kinds of irrelevant questions and sending the police to the wrong place.

by Anonymousreply 225Last Thursday at 5:18 AM

Has anyone listened to Mandy's podcast. God, I hope she's writing a book.

by Anonymousreply 226Last Thursday at 4:14 PM

They released Alex's 911 call from the murder night.

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by Anonymousreply 227Last Thursday at 5:04 PM

Mandy gave you bitches who ride her, on here, about her vocal-fry, a shout out on her podcast, FYI.

by Anonymousreply 228Last Thursday at 5:24 PM

South Carolina legal dynasty heir is heard sobbing in 911 call after finding his wife and son shot dead at their estate as murders remain a mystery six weeks on

Police have released the heartbreaking 911 call placed by the heir of a South Carolina legal dynasty after he reportedly found his wife and son shot dead in the grounds outside the family’s hunting estate in Islandton, South Carolina.

Alex Murdaugh, 53, is heard sobbing and gasping in distress as he tells the dispatcher 'my wife and child have been shot badly' and repeatedly pleads with them to 'please hurry'.

He says neither Paul nor Maggie were breathing when he found them by the kennels of their estate and that he has not seen anyone else in the area or noticed anything out of place.

Paul, 22, and Maggie, 52, were found dead from multiple gunshot wounds on June 7, while Paul was awaiting trial for the 2019 boating death of a 19-year-old woman.

More than six weeks on from the slayings, the murders remain a mystery with no arrests, suspects or persons of interest named by authorities - and no one also formally ruled out of the investigation.

Investigators with the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) released the 911 call and redacted call log Thursday after coming under increasing pressure to make records relating to the high-profile murders public.

Murdaugh placed the distraught 911 call at 10.07pm after he said he had returned to the home after visiting his sick father. Maggie and Paul's time of death was placed between 9pm and 9.30pm.

In the six-minutes of audio obtained by Murdaugh can be heard whimpering and wailing as he calls in the gruesome discovery. 'This is Alex Murdaughh at 4147 Moselle Road,' he tells the dispatcher. 'I need the police and an ambulance immediately. My wife and chid have been shot badly.'

The dispatcher confirms the address with him, with Murdaugh repeating it back and begging 'please hurry.'

The Hampton County Dispatcher connects Murdaugh with a Colleton County dispatcher, telling him to stay on the line as he is heard gasping and sobbing.

Murdaugh says 'it's bad' as dispatcher Angel Fraser asks him questions to get more information. ‘Are they breathing?’ asks Fraser. Murdaugh replies: ‘No ma'am.' ‘Are they in a vehicle,’ Fraser continues. ‘No ma'am. They’re on the ground out at my kennels,' Murdaugh replies sobbing.

Murdaugh is asked if he has seen anyone else around in the area and if his wife and son are breathing, to which he cries 'no.' The dispatcher continues to ask for details about the home as law enforcement head to the scene.

The rest (including the call recording) at the link

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by Anonymousreply 229Last Thursday at 7:38 PM

What disturbing about this and the other 911 boating accident calls is that the southern accents seem to be hindering communications, I get that my Northern ears can’t distinguish what’s being said, but can southerners not understand each other?

by Anonymousreply 230Last Thursday at 8:55 PM

So, Alec has been taken quite a beating in the press all along, but exponentially since the file dump on Friday and the “forget about her” quote. Did they release this to garner some sympathy for him, or is this the result of the media suing for the release of more police information?

by Anonymousreply 231Last Thursday at 10:11 PM

There's a history of media suing under FOI in previous thread, maybe this one, too?

by Anonymousreply 232Last Thursday at 11:04 PM

Listening to that 911 recording, my only sympathy for Alex M. is that i, I would have had to go a little Jules Winfield on the operator/s and told them stay on the line if you want but stop fucking talking to me unless you have something vitally important to say

"No, STILL not breathing, STILL very dead. Still my dead wife and still my dead son.Like I told you, the house is still white, but you still can't see it from the road."

And ask me for the address one more motherfucking time and I will turn the phone off, you stupid bitch."

by Anonymousreply 233Last Thursday at 11:37 PM

The operators are probably told to keep the person talking.

by Anonymousreply 234Last Thursday at 11:42 PM

Whenever I call AAA the first thing they ask is if I’m in a safe place, even when I’m calling from my driveway to fix a flat. Here’s 911 and he’s calling about two loved ones that have been gunned downed and are clearly dead, yet there is never a question about his safety, or telling him to go somewhere that’s safe to wait for the police? I hope all 911 operators aren’t as dumb as the one they seem to have in South Carolina.

by Anonymousreply 235Last Thursday at 11:52 PM

He's ringing about a double murder on his own property and the two victims are already dead. The first thought would be that he did it. "Go somewhere safe." Yeah, sure.

by Anonymousreply 236Last Thursday at 11:59 PM

[quote]The operators are probably told to keep the person talking.

Of course, and for obvious reasons, but the female operator is dumber than a box of hair. Had the call continued I don't doubt that she would have asked "Sir, are you sitting in your car, Tell me what color are the floor mats in your car, and are they rubber or rubber and carpet, and now you said brown, is that a dark brown or a medium brown..."

[quote]What disturbing about this and the other 911 boating accident calls is that the southern accents seem to be hindering communications, I get that my Northern ears can’t distinguish what’s being said, but can southerners not understand each other?

I'm not Southern but I can understand the accents perfectly. Murdaugh is more difficult to understand, more for the quality of the recording of his end of the call and because he has a soft-spoken yet high-pitched blubbery voice and because he's not always presenting complete thoughts.

Note how the voice gets louder and crisper in response to "Is that a house or a mobile home?" "It's a HOUSE." Whether he was piqued by the insinuation that he lived in a trailer or the knowledge that, still, no one had whispered into the operator's ear just who this Alex Murdaugh is is not clear.

by Anonymousreply 237Yesterday at 12:11 AM

These people (the Murdaughs) are all the EPITOME of southern trailer trash, minus the poor gayling who got caught up in their web with the closeted son, who is also the older brother of the murdered one, Paul.

A family of psychopaths, who held a small town in South Carolina hostage for over a century, selling their judiciary to anyone willing to pay for a favourable ruling in even the most frivolous of lawsuits.

What Paul did to that teeny bopper, cheer leader girl was inexcusable, but what his family did to her after their son basically threw her out into deep swamp water, was even worse. And Parker’s is just as fucked up and liable.

He should have been locked up for long time after smashing that boat into the pylon, and had he been, he’d still be alive today.

I haven’t finished the podcasts on this case yet, as the podcasters themselves, haven’t either, but I don’t believe this was some revenge motivates, double homicide to settle the scores on behalf of the multiple dead bodies associated with this family. I do believe, however, that whom ever murdered Paul and his mother had zero qualms in doing so, as they probably were under the impression that they were doing the community a favour by getting rid of Paul. A shame that his mother also had to take a bullet for the sins of her lousy, corrupt husband and his ancestors.

Live by the sword, die by it, too.

by Anonymousreply 238Yesterday at 12:27 AM

[Quote] A shame that his mother also had to take a bullet for the sins of her lousy, corrupt husband and his ancestors.

Paul was her son just as much as he was Alex'.

by Anonymousreply 239Yesterday at 12:36 AM

Sure, R239, but the point you make is moot, being that she’s now dead, is it not?

And the two kids who are dead in this web of chaos and bad behaviour by two profoundly entitled and spoiled brats, were ALSO the children of two mothers.

I don’t believe Paul’s mother deserved her fate, nor do I believe Paul did, either. That’s not justice, as much as what the Murdaughs did to cripple and corrupt their judiciary is also, not justice.

But let’s be honest. That double homicide is most probably attributed to their fast and loose handling of all involved in the justice system of that town they hold undue sway over, more than any OTHER really good reason or motive that could easily be guessed as to why they were both executed with their hands tied behind their backs.

The patriarchs of that family dealt MANY a raw deal, and it’s entirely possible that someone decided to settle their own personal score as a result.

You cannot draw that much bad blood and not expect to eventually spill some of your own.

by Anonymousreply 240Yesterday at 12:49 AM

Alex is corrupt but his wife is blameless? Not buying it. And I don't necessarily support the idea that they all had it coming.

I hope Stephen Smith's mother finds out what happened to her son.

by Anonymousreply 241Yesterday at 1:06 AM

There’s definitely some Lady Macbeth in Maggie.

by Anonymousreply 242Yesterday at 1:17 AM

That 911 call is heartbreaking and I now longer believe Alex was directly involved in the deaths of his wife and son. Horrible people all though.

by Anonymousreply 243Yesterday at 1:30 AM

^ no longer, not now longer

by Anonymousreply 244Yesterday at 1:45 AM

NY Post is reporting that the call was released because of FITS News Freedom of Information lawsuit.

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by Anonymousreply 245Yesterday at 4:44 AM

911 operators are fucking annoying. Every time I've had to call one they want to keep you on the line asking the same thing over and over again. They claim it is to calm you down but it does nothing more than to make you furious. Once they have said they are sending whatever assistance I require, I hang up on them.

by Anonymousreply 246Yesterday at 6:43 AM

R246, and they always say “I’m going to need you to calm down”. Even when the caller is perfectly calm.

by Anonymousreply 247a day ago

The Island Packet has two articles out today, one about the towed Suburban, which was owned by the law firms, as was another car on the property at the time of the murders. The other article is about Stephen Smith, apparent he was on the way to the 47 year old boyfriend the night he was killed and last texted him at 3:30 AM.

by Anonymousreply 248a day ago

R247 I know. I called them one time when I saw a drive by shooting of a fast food restaurant. I was thinking, "Fuck woman, if I was calm there would be something wrong with me!"

by Anonymousreply 249a day ago

While Alex's 911 call seems to be getting him much sympathy, I remain skeptical.

When I was listening to him, I thought of two words: community theater.

And the way he snapped out of his sorrow the second the 911 operator insinuated that he might be living in a trailer was telling.

I also noted that he took pains, in his sorrow, to tell the operator his alibi.

by Anonymousreply 250a day ago

That they were murdered at the kennel make me think he was putting down the spare heir and she got sentimental.

Perhaps those two insurance payouts would cover his liability on the boat accident.

by Anonymousreply 251a day ago

A question: where is the info that Maggie and Paul were tied up before being shot coming from?

I didn't listen to the podcasts, but I didn't see it in the linked news articles.

That would make the murders really cold-blooded and execution-style.

by Anonymousreply 252a day ago

R252 From what I understand, very early on a news broadcaster said that, but it was unsubstantiated.

by Anonymousreply 253a day ago

I read that they weren't just tied up, they were "hog-tied"

by Anonymousreply 25421 hours ago

Where did you read that, r254? Do you remember?

by Anonymousreply 25520 hours ago

R252, that doesn’t seem consistent with the early reporting on the case. Investigators said that the son was the intended target, and the mother had been in “the wrong place at the wrong time,” implying that she had been shot when she walked in the scene.

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by Anonymousreply 25619 hours ago




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by Anonymousreply 25715 hours ago

R257 I don’t think that’s how one writes a haiku.

by Anonymousreply 25815 hours ago

R257 “He had it comin’”

by Anonymousreply 25915 hours ago

Honestly, I’ve started imagining Mallory Beach and Stephen Smith looking down on the hunting lodge at the murders like Saroise in the Lovely Bones enjoying the comeuppance of her killer.

by Anonymousreply 26015 hours ago

Except it sounds like both Steven amd much later, Mallory.. She was painted as a Mofo cunt, even as her parents oblivious cunting!!!!

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