Tyler the Creator wanted to fuck Justin Bieber

Why not? So many other black rappers did.

He strikes me has having a massive schlong - and not just because he's black.

TTC fucks Bieber - I'd watch.

[quote] Why not? So many other black rappers did

Usher them in.

I'd like to fuck Tyler the Creator.

TTC fucks Usher. I'd watch that too.

Selena Gomez should release a statement about how she doesn't appreciate being the object of "beard lust." If you've ever been closeted, even for a little bit, you may have used lust and explicit sexual comments about women, to try to appear heterosexual - "man, she's so fucking hot, I'd love to fuck her" or some other obnoxious "this is what het bros would say" statement.

I am NOT a rapper!

He looks so awkward next to Lil Nas X.

He definitely fucked X when both were in town for the BET awards.

I don't know who should be more insulted: Selena Gomez, or Selena's pube groomer.

Tyler like androgynous white skaterish twinks. And nothing else. (Thus Justin)

He affects to like mixed women with loose curls.

[quote] He affects to like mixed women

Women mixed with what? Men?

I've heard he only goes for young, white guys, so Nas and him definitely didn't hookup.

Tyler seems to like anyone who is light-skinned with "good hair". It doesn't necessarily equate to white. Tyler seemed to have a thing going on with Jaden Smith. Frank Ocean on the other hand seems more into Asian or Hispanic guys. Frank was the one who got that twink Evan Mock, media attention. These gay Black rappers are not different from the straight ones who similarly worship light skin and good hair aesthetic which is expansive to include Beyonce, Mariah, J-Lo and Kim K. Tyler and Frank grew up in predominately Black neighborhoods and their inner-circles are other weird alternative Black hipsters. I don't know enough about Lil Nas X but he seems like he would stick to other Black guys similar to Miss Jussie Smollett. Kevin Abstract though seems like a complete snow queen.

What is “good hair” in this context?

You know damn well they fucked.

I think Justin also fucked Jaden Smith. JB has more chemistry with dudes in candid shots than girls. He always looks bored with Hailey.

Does he still want to shag him?

How vivid!

So true r14 they are either into white guys or they only date light skinned guys.

Jussie has only been associated with dark skinned guys

That's hot. I'd destroy that white trash boy cunt too

What’s the “good hair” aesthetic?

He's fugly, Justin is cute

That’s HIS problem. And TMI.

I think Tyler is cute.

Tyler is cute, Bieber is legitimately hot, but his excessive tattoos are gross (as is his music, personal beliefs, etc.).

Didn’t someone on a recent thread say that Tyler is only bisexual or was only pretending to be bisexual but is really straight? What was that poster on about?

This guy is a socio/psychopath

R15 and R22, I, too, would like to know what "good hair" means. I'm guessing it means black women with hair like Beyonce's. I find it curioius that the other 20 posters either do not know or choose not to answer.

Tyler’s not straight or even bi. He’s a gay top obviously.

Nah, Tyler is a troll. He invented that gay conceptual circus for clout. According to reddit and youtube he stole his fictional ex boyfriend Wyatts girlfriend

R28 It means hair that is loose and long. Usually indicates racial mixture. Historically in the Black community, the wealthiest were light skinned and heavily mixed with European and Native American and they enacted skin lighter than a paper bag and hair straight as a pen test. The European beauty standards are very entrenched into the Black community sadly.

R30 Tyler was head over heels for Wyatt and they were attached at the hip for months, Flower Boy is very obviously about Wyatt. When Wyatt got a girlfriend Tyler started getting petty in his lyrics, like in Bronco: [italic]"my new nigga pretty, your new bitch is tacky"

More Wyatt

Tyler's nickname for Wyatt is Grape, it's all over his instagram if you scroll back to 2018

[italic]

With that tall pale boy that I met last year

Grape, that's what I call him, love, that's what I fall in

then why would he steal his girlfriend, as a revenge?

R35 Who's the girlfriend he's supposed to have stolen?

Tyler likes a lot of ugly white dudes tbh. Bieber is good looking though when he doesn't look like a methed out trailer park hoe. Frank has better taste but he's more refined as a person overall.

Tyler and Wyatt

R36 If it is to be believed what people say, some hoe as she left her handsome boyfriend for his ugly but rich and famous friend.

I remember when Tyler posted this and his straight fans got mad

R31, Thanks for your reply. Wish everyone was as considerate

Wasn’t Bieber 16 in 2010?

I thought the relationship between Tyler and Wyatt is like between two girls, in which one is pretty but poor and the other ugly but rich, or Cinderella and her stepsister. So, the ugly and jealous one has to prove she is more powerful. Of all the hoes and groupies in the world he was only interested in Wyatts girlfriend.

[quote]What is “good hair” in this context?

Anything over $17.

Tyler was so hysterical when a young fan came to close to him interviewing him in Norway. It was a perfectly harmless young boy, did not seem even to be gay, probably straight fan that wanted to be close to his idol, but Tyler was acting like some Victorian maiden afraid to lose virginity if a male came too close. Like a typical homophobic dude. So, I think all this gay thing was just conceptual act.

It wasn’t

Around 0.50

And his taste in guys was like it was stolen from a teenage girl. He probably checked what guys are considered to be hot, and found it on internet, but based on teenage girls taste.

Tyler was pretty flirty with him in the second part. Tyler is very awkward overall though, I always thought he had Asperger's because he doesn't seem to understand conventional social rules.

Oh god was HE the DL poster who would constantly post here that you couldn't POSSIBLY be gay unless you wanted to gleefully buttfuck Bieber?

R25 He is ugly and looks 50, even though he is only 30.

Eat your heart out beotch.

I think he was always bitchy and nasty towards this guy Wyatt, more like he hated him or was jealous. Some toxic relationship. Think that Wyatt should stay away from him, maybe he learned the lesson by now.

Some lyrics

[quote]“Next line, I'll have ’em like whoa / I've been kissing white boys since 2004”

[quote]”And I pedal through the city with the wide frame steer / With that tall pale boy that I met last year / Grape, that's what I call him, love, that's what I fall in / Fell in, I ain't like sports growing up, but now I'm ballin' / I guess I'm a late bloomer”

[quote]Pro black but this twink white

[quote]“Shout-out to the girls that I lead on / For occasional head and always keeping my bed warm / And trying they hardest to keep my head on straight”

[quote]”How I got this far? Boy, I can't believe it / That I got this car, so I took scenic / Passenger a white boy, look like River Pheonix”

[quote]“Truth is, since a youth kid, thought it was a phase / Thought it'd be like the phrase; poof, gone / But it's still goin' on”

[quote]“Fuck global warming, my neck is so frío / I'm currently lookin' for '95 Leo”

[quote]“Tell Timothée Chalamet to come get at me / Skin glowin’, clear of acne”

[quote]”And he do what I says like Simon / No violence / And my guy mixed like jambalaya”

[quote]”Niggas mad at T, where the tall freckled white boys at? / Cause I don't fuck with niggas”

[quote]”How can I be homophobic when my boyfriend's a fag? / And we been hiding in the closet like our passion is fashion / Still trying to come out”

Or, if him and Wyatt were ever a thing, than maybe Tyler is some particularly nasty and petty bottom that took revenge over Wyatt for leaving him, and hurting him by taking his girlfriend.

Not that I have anything against bottoms otherwise.

R55 Wyatt's gf Morgan? Tyler isn't with her so I'm confused, what girl are you talking about?

Does he have to be with her, or he just banged her once to fuck with Wyatt?

R57 No, some new girl.

Tyler and Wyatt were messy. They would fight, unfollow each other, get all emo, make up, re-follow each other and spend every minute together again. That happened a few times lol.

Some clothes sharing:

R58 Allegedy it was more then once, but i dont know the real nature of their relationships

More

Anyway, there is some unhealthy obsession with Wyatt on Tyler side, but Im not sure of the true nature of their relationship.

Is Tyler supposed to be attractive?

R64 No, he is fugly and looks like a grandpa

He's got a hot body

You wrong for that r65

But his face! And he looks so much older lately.

Bieber looked like a literal child in 2010 so that's kind of awkward.

That is how he looks now. 50 yo.

R69 I hope he is trolling, because Bieber was a child then.

Run away Wyatt from that creep, you can always turn to me!

It’s just laughable that anyone would claim he’s not really gay or bi.

He's gross, most of the time he has resting bitch face just like the psycho Kanye.

Yeah I think he is a big bitch too, just the one that would mess with friends girlfriend

He also was bitching about white girls, as he said lil white bitches on his new album, so seems he is anti white, too

R45/r47

Seems more like he was flirting with the boy - seemed just like his type as well.

"Good hair" is an old Black expression for hair on Black people which approximates white hair. Namely straight hair.

I have Indian hair which is basically Asian hair. My Russian Jewush barber calls it "Mayan hair."

Tyler seems like he's full of shit. TBH that's why I think guys like him (Frank Ocean, Steve Lacy, etc) don't date black queens. Just like black rappers and athletes go for white girls. They know black queens would eat them alive, the white girl route is just more easily managed.

R72

You realize that Tyler is only 3 years older than Bieber, right?

It's true though that Tyler definitely likes them young.

This was only included on the physical release of Igor, right? Or has it been added to subscription services?

R80 Frank Ocean and Steve Lacy are honest and open, unlike Tyler who is playing this ambiguous games. I only do not believe in their bisexuality, I think they are as bisexual as Rock Hudson was. Frank Ocean has had only boyfriends and Lacy is so queeny and Its hard to imagine him with a girl. I guess it was so much easier for them to come out as bisexuals, its only half gay they can still present as pussyhounds. While Tyler, I dont know, he seems like a manipulator to me, he might be a straight guy doing all the circus to get attention.

R81 Again, I hope he is trolling, because Finn was just a baby in that period.

Tyler is a rapper. There's a whole set of associations to contend with... Ultimately, it's very telling that he'll kiss a woman in a music video but not a man. He can be gay as a goose but gay don't pay, only as a niche, so he'll foreground things that engage straight audiences. It's all $$$.

R85 That was what I was missing. His videos, like Boy is a gun. It was lovely, but so cold, that I thought that he has no chemistry with guys.

Tyler is too good for Justin Bieber.

You can be 100% straight and still want to fuck Justin Bieber.

R88 Yes, a straight woman.

R85 But he was always vague and ambiguous about the same sex desires. He could get the wanted attention by this ambiguous "homosexuality" and still remain straight to wider audience and not lose them, because they would say : he is just trolling. And maybe right so. Because maybe he was making a conceptual gay love affair to get attention, yet he was protected by the ambiguity. And as you noticed well, he is kissing women in new videos quite freely, while the "gay" videos were rather impersonal, could have been two friends mad at each other over a girl they both liked.

Eh... there are people in the comments of the "Boy Is a Gun" video still claiming that he's trolling. He could be at the centre of a bukkake, and they'd still claim that he loves to joke.

There's nothing vague about some of his same sex lyrics.

[Quote] Because maybe he was making a conceptual gay love affair to get attention

Do you live online because takes like this... they don't related to the real world.

Straight people do not rush to a Tyler the Creator track to squee over some same sex "teasing." They rationalize it away. It's not attractive or juicy to them.

R92 But it gave him some mysterious appeal. I dont claim to be 100% right, but I got such impression. As I said I see no chemistry between him and guys. The only one he has a little chemistry with is his friend Asap Rocky.

And it is because they have such a relationship where Tyler is making some homo jokes, and Rocky is defending himself and they giggle like two teenage girls.

Given Tyler rapped about killing people, raping women, dead babies and used every slur imaginable in his older music. I can see why people thought he was lying about being gay too. It's basically like crying wolf. Tyler was an asshole back then. I can see why Earl, Frank and Syd distanced themselves from him as they wanted to be taken more seriously as artists. Tyler had a good image makeover and is trying to come across as pro-Black now but old OF fans and the internet will not let Tyler forgot what the stunts he did in the past.

Really, do you see chemistry between him and the guys?

Tyler is awkward. That doesn't make him heterosexual.

[Quote] Given Tyler rapped about killing people, raping women, dead babies and used every slur imaginable in his older music. I can see why people thought he was lying about being gay too.

How odd that you equate homosexuality with those other things.

R98 what are you talking about? Obviously he didn't kill anyone or rape babies. His early rap was filled with gay slurs. That's why people thought he was lying about being gay because he made up such an outrageous persona based on shock value and is a notorious troll. Yes, there are people would equate being gay as depraved if they are from conservative homes. Which is why many gay guys also didn't want to claim Tyler as one of us because he was pandering to those stereotypes of gays being demonic.

When Frank Ocean came out everyone believed him. Nobody questioned it. When Tyler did everyone questioned if it was true or not because of his history of attention seeking and trolling. Lil Nas X actually didn't need to come out, we all knew he was gay. No straight men has a Nicki Minaj stan account.

Gays slurs are to be expected from a male rapper. They're not a reason to disbelieve Tyler. Frank Ocean's music is "sensitive." Tyler's persona is different. It's actually fans who don't want him to be gay that harp on about "trolling." No gay person would raise an eyebrow that someone who is gay has made homophobic comments in the past. It's a rite of passage for many.

[quote]His early rap was filled with gay slurs.

A lot of black gay identified men pick that behavior up from black men they grew up around and talk the same way to each other even though they are gay. Point being, they are still gay

A straight woman woman wouldn't want to fuck Bieber.

He looks too much like Ellen.

There’s only a one letter difference between rap and rape. Just saying.

Hmmm... Not just his gay slurs though. He rapped about murdering and raping people, torture, arson, mass shootings, necrophilia, etc. Nobody took him seriously because of this reliance on shock value. Tyler was that antisocial kid in class who interrupts to say stupid and outrageous things for attention. That's why people were reluctant to accept him as gay not because of the slurs but because he was a full of shit asshole. Plus Tyler wasn't a mainstream rapper like T.I., Kanye, Ludacris, T Pain or Lil Wayne, most of his fans were white suburban skaters or alternative Black kids. He is obviously gay but the initial disbelief was not unwarranted.

Lots of women enjoy a soft looking man. Most teen idols fall into that category. And women still hold a candle when they are no longer teens themselves.

R103 You obviously dont know a lot of women. I have sister, cousins and friends and trust me, most of them would not be against Bieber.

[Quote] He rapped about murdering and raping people, torture, arson, mass shootings, necrophilia, etc. Nobody took him seriously because of this reliance on shock value. Tyler was that antisocial kid in class who interrupts to say stupid and outrageous things for attention. That's why people were reluctant to accept him as gay not because of the slurs but because he was a full of shit asshole.

Nah. They didn't want to believe it.

There's nothing antisocial about saying you like men.

[quote] A lot of black gay identified men pick that behavior up from black men they grew up around and talk the same way to each other even though they are gay. Point being, they are still gay

Tyler grew up in an affluent Black neighborhood, Ladera Heights in Los Angeles, with doctors, lawyers, actors, businesspeople and athletes. I think he would have been more exposed to different cultures and lifestyles. It's not like he grew up in the actual hood like Crenshaw or Compton.

R108 You don't seem to grasp the idea that people tend to not believe people who lie about absolutely everything. If he wasn't a pathological liar with an exaggerated persona then nobody would have been in initial disbelief about him being gay. Sure, he was not a flaming queen like Lil Nas X but he was far from the most masculine guy, plus his fans were not typical hip-hop fans that were listening to gangsta rap. Most were suburban kids who leaned into the alternative subcultures and would be more accepting of LGBTQ.

Male children are raised by rap culture. They may be from middle class or affluent households but rap still teaches them what's "Important."

[Quote] You don't seem to grasp the idea that people tend to not believe people who lie about absolutely everything.

We're not talking about SZA here.

R111 No. I'm Black, I was raised on Motown, gospel, blues, soul, R&B and also hip-hop. I was taught to value actual education. I knew I was gay at a young age and never caved to pressure to behave homophobic. Tyler grew up upper middle-class in LA, a metropolitan area. He just said those gay slurs because he wanted to be shocking and edgy.

[Quote] nobody would have been in initial disbelief about him being gay.

Famous people with a big (read:straight) will always have people expressing disbelief when they come out. That disbelief is rarely reasonable.

You don't know why he said those slurs because you aren't him. How many men have been gay for attention in popular culture? I don't think games of chicken count.

You clearly never hanged out with skaters and alternative weirdos at school. They say the most outrageous stuff and have no filter because of lack of social skills and not caring either way. Tyler's fanbase is that. You act like Tyler was this big mainstream name. Have you listened to this man's music in Odd Future? I was an OFWGKTA fan back in the day and I could not take anything they said seriously because of how far out the left field the lyrics were. I cringe now looking back at it, given how fucked up the content of the songs were. A lot of people in the Odd Future fandom don't have an issue with Tyler being gay at all because most of us are those weird and alternative kids. Similar dynamic with Brockhampton who have no issue with Kevin Abstract being gay. We just didn't take Tyler seriously because he acts like a walking cartoon character who lives to be offensive to everyone. We accept he's gay but it was taken seriously at first for the same reasoning nobody took him burning down buildings, raping dead white girls and other stuff seriously.

You associate gay with offensive? I'm still not following your logic. From your background, it's surprising that you put gay into the category of "crazy shit."

Everybody believed Lil Nas X, Frank Ocean, Kevin Abstract, Steve Lacy, but Tyler, there is something about him that still makes me still think that he is a troll, and I am not one of his homophobic Odd future fans. Something false and theatrical about his "gayness" and remember how goofy was his courting of Cole Sprouse. Like from some comedy. And I watched some of his lives with this Wyatt kid, he did not seem to like him at all and was unpleasant to him. If I was closer I would have slapped him.

And now he came out as hetrosexual on new album. What shall we believe.

R117 You're a troll. Also are you American? Because it is offensive to many conservative religious types here and many straight men do find it offensive because of their homophobia. Also were you ever a teenager because teens love to be offensive. I knew some guys in my high school who would mock homosexuality by pretending to be gay just to shock others.

I wonder who actually popped Bieber's cherry.

[quote] He also was bitching about white girls, as he said lil white bitches on his new album, so seems he is anti white, too

No, Tyler seems to worship whiteness. He seems very self-hating. He wants to be a white man to have access to white women and get away with abusing them like white men do. He also bashes Black women too. The Weeknd and Kanye West are similar in their fixation of white girls. It is a power fantasy of theirs as it represents them reaching a high status. Black women would not put with this shit which is why they resent them. It's odd to find the features of your own race unattractive and bashing the women of your race despite them sharing the same features. It's beyond just preference. Steve Lacy and Frank Ocean do not insult Black people or disrespect women. Frank especially adores Beyoncé and Solange being from New Orleans. Though Steve said he feel weird dating a Black guy because he seems them like brothers and has a hard time sexualizing them, I don't think he said it wasn't a possibility because that seem self-hating. It's similar to what Lena Horne said about feeling too weak to handle dating a Black man with all the societal baggage and racism that came but she loved Black men.

Really, how can you believe in anything about him. First he was a rabid homophobe. Then he seemed to come out as gay as he rapped how he was leading girls on just to keep his head on straight. And it seemed he made two albums about a love story with this guy Wyatt. Now he comes out as straight man again, and raps about stealing his friends girl, and it turns out the friend with the stolen girl is Wyatt. Is this some Dynasty in which he is Alexis or what?

[Quote] it is offensive to many conservative religious types here

I don't think those people are of any concern to Tyler the Creator.

R122 Interesting analysis. That would give an explanation to this strange friendship with a handsome young white guy with a string of girlfriends, "little white bitches" as Tyler calls them. Tyler wants to be Wyatt and envies him. So he is bitchy and unpleasant but cant let him go. But he can show him who is superior because of the bigger wallet. So he manages to usurp his place with one of the bitches. Could be the material for the new album.

R123 Exactly, he's a liar for attention. So who knows what's true. I mean many celebrities are liars. But Tyler seems mean-spirited and lacking in empathy. He was a notorious asshole to his younger friend Earl Sweatshirt who looked up to him. Tyler released a clip recently of him making out with a light-skinned girl. I really don't know what to believe anymore. I think Tyler is very talented but certainly very messed up in the head.

R124 He's American and lives in The US. So yes, they are a concern and they dominate our politics. You seem to have an issue connecting things to other things.

[Quote] Black women would not put with this shit which is why they resent them.

How many of Future's baby mama's are black? The narrative that black women don't put up with shit is beyond silly.

[Quote] It's odd to find the features of your own race unattractive

It's odd to reduce a race to a narrow set of features. People do it with not only faces but bodies. It's very odd.

[Quote] Steve Lacy and Frank Ocean do not insult Black people or disrespect women.

Steve Lacy has said that he only sees other black men as homies or competition. That's asinine.

R129 That is very silly, but I think that he gave this dumb answer just to avoid the truth, that he prefers white guys. It is really stupid to see all your race as family so it would be incestuous relationship. What the hell? Should straight guys look at black women as sisters?

Tyler might have tried with all of Wyatt`s girlfriends, but this one was the easiest lay so he succeed.

Yes, R42. Justin was 16 in 2010, and looked even younger. I wonfer if Tyler has ever slept with/abused underage boys. It's disturbing.

R132 That wouldn`t surprise me. He seems like a creep. I would prefer him to be a troll.

R132 Seems like quite a few rappers are into it, unfortunately.

Justin looked 10 at 2010. Like someone from Jacko company.

R127, *sips tea* *clacks fan* shadeeeeee

And what do you all here at the DL have to say about these guys only being into white guys? Does it say anything about race and beauty standards in America?

He sure is looking old.

R137 Well Dr, Steve Lacy is one very pretty guy, so is he forgiven, even though he was giving these shit excuses. Abstract seems a nice guy, so forgiven too. Ocean polite and decent. But this Tyler is somehow off, either trolling, or worse, in very very young male kids. And fugly. Lets give him to the straights.

R137 And dr, Lil Nas X should take Jack Harlow to continue the tradition.

I hate this jerk and his constant making a joke out of being gay and relying on trying to shock people with gay stuff instead of just using talent. He has put out nothing of note.

A joke? This video is beautiful.

"I'm not even gonna give her this back so she can learn her dumbass lesson."

R137 It's not necessarily about beauty standards either. Most gay Black men prefer other Black men. A lot of times ones preferences are also based on exposure.

Frank Ocean, Kevin Abstract and Steve Lacy are all good-looking and could get Black boyfriends if they wanted. I definitely think Frank has been with Black dudes and he's not against dating them, he's from NOLA, one of the Blackest cities in America. Kevin grew up in suburban Texas and was raised Mormon and Steve grew up in Southern California but lived a sheltered life in private school, so both came from very whitewashed environments. They probably mostly interacted with white and Latino boys growing up and that informed their taste.

Tyler is pretty ugly. Though he has nice body. Tyler actually grew in an affluent Black area in the LA area. Ladera Heights is the "Black Beverly Hills". So maybe he felt intimidated because he was surrounded by children of Black actors, athletes, lawyers and other professions who were good-looking, talented, optimistic and overall blessed in life. Tyler has a weird face and poor social skills, so likely was bullied for it and ignored by the hot Black jocks in school. Maybe he felt more kinship with the weird white skater kids and internalized a lot of racism and colorism. He was that Black best friend who joined in on their racist jokes and was liked because "he wasn't like the other Black kids". Tyler's "boyfriends" Wyatt Novarro and Lukas Vercetti were both ugly white dudes imho.

Some of you sound a little hurt, trying to explain away his apparent preferences by taking digs at him.

Doesn't Madonna have a preference for black and latin men but her husbands are white. Kerry Washington was engaged to a white man for the better part of a decade but her husband is white.

If who a celebrity dates gets you all in your feelings, you need to step back and reassess your (over) engagement.

R145 Well... given he takes digs at everyone and was an abusive bully and asshole online for years. I would say he's fair game. He was extremely problematic throughout the early 2010s. Then when he dropped Flower Boy and became "woke" and "queer", all was forgotten and forgiven.

*her (Kerry Washington) husband is black.

Madonna and Kerry didn't mock Black people like Tyler did for years. Kerry is very proud to be a Black woman, she can date whoever she wants. Madonna was vocal about racial equality and ending systemic racism. A lot of male rappers have made careers out of saying very offensive things usually targeting Black women and gays yet get a pass for it.

Madonna also said that the most she'd been mistreated in romantic relationships was by black men. You can cherry pick quotes from everyone to make up the narrative your favor...

Well, nobody thought Steve was a troll.

Tyler keeps his personal life close to his chest. Steve shows off his boo thangs.

Hard to mistake Steve for a straight guy on the photo at R152.

Justin Bieber in 2010. How sick is it to want to fuck him?

It's weird the way you're pushing for a pedo narrative over a 27 year old and a 30 year old.

The article said: "This is for all the little girls out there! "

Have you heard it Tyler?

R155 He is 27 now. But look at his picture at R154, it is the period Tyler mentioned. And Tyler was grown guy then. Do you really find it normal?

What? That someone who is three years older than someone else might have a crush on the latter?

Tyler was 18 or 19 at the time of the tweet. In bad taste yes but not really pedophilia. Though Bieber did look 12 at the time. He seems finally off them puberty blockers.

Bieber's great crime was that he looked like a girl.

Bieber is that typical dirty meth addict blessed with a pretty face that you can find at any trailer park. By the age of 30, they usually are overweight, bald and lost some teeth.

Just how commercially successful has he been? He apparently doesn’t get mainstream radio play

His latest album went to number one, did it not?

You have no empathy, he was just a little kid, and nit developed for his age. And you mucho animal at R161 some little boys do look fragile and pretty.

[quote]Bieber is that typical dirty meth addict blessed with a pretty face that you can find at any trailer park.

Not anymore, that "pretty" has been gone for about ten years.

[quote]Bieber's great crime was that he looked like a girl.

No he didn't. He looked just like Donny Osmond did at that age. But Donny was handsome as an adult. Odd that Donny and Marie are very nice looking and the rest off the Osmonds are off-the-charts ass ugly.

R164 Bieber was rude, violent and obnoxious. Nobody made him to spit on his fans, act inappropriately, use the N word and get into fights. He was the one lacking empathy for years until he "found God". How old are you?

Straight men openly talked about how beautiful young Bieber was. It became a pop culture meme for dudes to swoon over Bieber

He absolutely did look like a girl.

Even as an adult he easily serves butch lesbian.

It is your problem that you have a ugly and bland faces. Are your standards from fifties? If a guy has a pretty face he is a girl? Are you girls when you are bottoming, for Christ sake?

Was Jagger a girl? Were Stones bunch of girls in 70s?

Some men do look feminine. Jonathan Rhys Myers. Michael Pitt. Elizabeth Hurley's son Damian. Victoria Beckham's son Romeo. David and Shaun Cassidy in the 70s. Kpop and Jpop regularly feature pretty boys. A lot of straight women love the feminine non-threatening look.

Bieber was just a child with no one to take care of him, except his immature and silly mother. If I was his brother I would have broken the balls of all these dirty rappers around him.

That tweet was made in 2010? She was 18 at the time, Justin was 16.

R172 Jagger was and is not pretty. He was considered ugly even back then. Same with Steven Tyler. Robert Plant had a very masculine face. And hate to break it to you but gay men are attracted to men and many tend to favor masculine features. Some do like pretty boys of course.

[quote] Bieber was just a child with no one to take care of him, except his immature and silly mother. If I was his brother I would have broken the balls of all these dirty rappers around him.

Would you have done the same for Chris Brown who had a similar upbringing?

R176 To me Jagger was the most beautiful men on world in his younger days. And look at the video, he was not masculine at all.

R177 Of course I would. I would brake the balls of the abusers of black boys without hesitation.

R178 You like what you like. Other people like what they like. And Jagger was pretty masculine to me, an 100% straight male, given he wrote and sang songs about fucking girls and his flamboyant peacock nature. Nothing about him is feminine seeming besides his fish lips.

Henry Cavill was pretty. He didn't look a girl. Bieber did. Deal with it.

*look like a girl

Marlon Brando was very beautiful too. Men are beautiful. The Ancient Greeks, Romans and Italian Renaissance artists knew this. I don't know why people associate beauty with femininity now.

The only woman I'd ever mistake Mick Jagger for is Lily Tomlin, at a pinch.

[Quote] And look at the video, he was not masculine at all.

Disagree. He had that spastic, aggressive energy. Very male.

Flamboyancy is very male behavior. It's in-your-face and a way to gain attention to assert dominance. Look at the male aristocrats who wore elaborate clothing. Or African tribes where men wear makeup and flex their muscles. James Dean, Chuck Berry and Elvis had flamboyancy to them with the pompadour and moving hips. 60s, 70s and 80s rock stars were another to be flamboyant and getting sex was a big motivation for some of them. Modern hip-hop is now flamboyant with trap rappers with colorful hair, clothing and grills. Maybe it all derived as a mating call similar to how colorful peacocks and big-haired lions strut around to impress females. Even flamboyant gay men do not really act like women.

Bieber looks way better now to me than he did at the prime of his career. I didn't find that Donny Osmond look very attractive.

R187 that doesn’t even look like him. Photoshop and trick photography.

Did TTC REALLY need to come out?

I never noticed before but Bieber might have had a nose job.

He looked like a child. He was not yet physically developed. Late puberty obviously. It certainly tends to attract a lot of creeps. Jagger was in his 30s in the video, and of course Jagger had a lot of masculine energy, but I was talking about his fragile body, rather effeminate features and mannerism when talking. He certainly didnt look like a woman, he reassembled more a drag.

R168 Are you sure those men were so straight. Because straight men I know would be more into Monica Belucci than in some sweet little boy.

R167 I am 33, and children tend to be obnoxious without proper care and guidance.

R160, R168, R169, Some hot pictures to arouse you.

Pardonez mois

But this one would make R160, R168 and R169 really wet.

[Quote] might have had a nose job.

I'm more interested to know if he had Pastor Carl.

People don't believe me when I come out of the closet. It's possible. I have to prove that I'm gay...

Maybe some guys want to hook you this way, I mean by daring you to prove.

R198 How so?

They ask for hole pics.

[quote] R69 I hope he is trolling, because Bieber was a child then.

[quote] Bieber was just a child with no one to take care of him, except his immature and silly mother. If I was his brother I would have broken the balls of all these dirty rappers around him.

In 2010 Bieber was 16 and Tyler was 19.

The "rappers" were "dirty" but Bieber was clean? How so?

This baby heard of Tyler and Justin.

Bieber lost a lot of his baby fat. I don't think he had a nose job. Also straight men aren't sexually attracted to men regardless of how pretty they look. Calling something attractive is not the same as being physically attracted to them. Bisexual and gay men wanted to fuck Bieber.

On a side note, I knew a young lesbian who had said she had a crush on Bieber when she was young before she realized she liked other girls. I've noticed this with other male pop stars like Nick Carter and all those Kpop stars, some pre-lesbians develop an infatuation with them.

The baby atR203 looks like Justin.

Nose job or not. He is way more attractive now that he looks a bit more masculine.

No. He's never been my type but copious tats make anyone look a mess.

R202 I would say the same if Charlie Sheen and Bruce Willis said they wanted to fuck Jaden Smith at 15.

Charlie Sheen and Bruce Willis are three years older than Jaden Smith?

Well to refrase: if any fully developed white guy said he wanted to fuck a black teenager that looks like a prepubescent I would call him dirty.

Define fully developed.

16 isn't a child, it's an adolescent. At age 16 you can work a job, you can drive a car, you can start looking into colleges, you can consent to sex, in a year at 17 you can enlist in the military, etc. Adolescent years are a distinctive category from childhood. While children have little to no autonomy. Teenagers have more freedom to make decisions and are capable of learning and using judgment. While they aren't mentally mature due to ongoing brain development and do have more tendency to act impulsively because of hormones. A lot of immaturity in teens has less to do with the neurological factors and more with societal. American society treats teenagers like children often sheltering them and restricting them from making choices and learning responsibility. High school is basically daycare for teens rather than preparation for the real world. Most maturity actually comes from experience and gaining wisdom. A teenage waitress with a child working many jobs would be more mature in ways compared to a spoiled 25 year old who has their parents make all their decisions. Justin Bieber is a spoiled former child star who never got to grow up nor learned to be an adult due to being controlled by his team and given everything he wants. Basically he's in the same boat as Lindsay and Britney.

You dont know what is a fully developed male body?

R212 Look at the picture R154, he was late with the puberty and physically not developed. Who can be attracted to such a boy?

[Quote] Who can be attracted to such a boy?

Who can't?

First of all. Puberty is not linear and not everyone develops traits of adulthood at the same time. Bieber around 16 had a high voice and a chubby face. But that doesn't mean he wasn't developed in other ways. At 16 he would have been able to impregnate a girl. The age of consent in many places is 16. Tyler was 19, so that's within the Romeo and Juliet style laws.

The people on here must be too young to remember what ignorant and problematic assholes Tyler the Creator and Justin Bieber used to be (and probably still are). They're both major clowns and I don't how why anyone is defending them and treating them like precious flowers. Both of them bullied others and were extremely rude to their fans yet somehow criticizing them isn't okay. It's crazy how much revision of one's public image can be effective.

Not defending, just saying that Justin was not physically developed for the purpose Tyler mentioned. I do hope Tyler is just trolling to justify his tweets to Selena.

[Quote] were extremely rude to their fans

They sound like DLers.

So Steve Lacy is out here bottoming for white men hunny?

R220 Well, if he likes them, why not? nim

Lil Nas X is said to be seeing this dancer.

See some guys on Reddit offered a threesome

I like Lil Nas, but Steve Lacy is my favorite.

I wanted to like Steve Lacy's Calvin Harris collab but it did nothing for me.

But he is a pretty guy.

I listened, not a bad song.

Not bad isn't good enough. Ask Normani.

You are into Normani? I am more of a The Smiths fan.

Are you Mexican?

Kidding. I really like the Smiths but I listen to different kind of music.

Igor was a good album, even though I think Tyler is a creep.

No, Im from Croatia.

Gurl......get your life

The Spiderman kidnapped Steve.

The guy on the left looks like a young Nick Grimshaw.

A sensual picture.

[quote] [R187] that doesn’t even look like him. Photoshop and trick photography.

Yes it does. Go look at Bieber’s Instagram — that’s exactly what he looks like. You don’t have to look at any of the still photos either; look at his videos, that’s really what he looks like now.

And as for Tyler’s 2010 Tweet—while Bieber was in no way attractive to me at the beginning of his career when he looked like a “lesbian” and had *that haircut*, it was in no way inappropriate for Tyler, aged 18, to lust after him. 18-year-olds fuck 16-year-olds all the time, every single day.

I can’t believe the shirtless pastor seen at R197 isn’t gay or bi and didn’t fuck Bieber. Jesus Christ.

Didn't one of those British tabs write an article on Pastor Carl fucking a major celebrity and the article studiously avoided using pronouns for the celebrity?

Yes R239 but I think some sleuths (here or elsewhere) discerned who the celebrity was, and she was a girl.

I still don’t see how that’s possible though.

Pastor Carl is a typical Evangelical scammer. All of these "godfearing" Christians with megachurches are hypocrites and con artists who take advantage of the tax exemptions and exploiting poor, uneducated and mentally unstable people who send tithes hoping for salvation and financial prosperity. Despite his fame and wealth Bieber is an uneducated and drug-addicted guy with an absent father and childhood trauma, so easy to manipulate and get roped into scams. It's similar to how Tom Cruise got hooked on Scientology. Hollywood is full of New Age scammers though like Goop and Oprah.

There were people claiming it was Selena Gomez.

Yall remember this era of Justin when he was bussin it wide for all his rapper friends???

R222 He's hot. Lil Nas never gave me snow queen vibes. He's sexy and other Black gays in Georgia would have been hitting him up all the time.

Frank Ocean has been with Black guys like Ysham. Frank is from New Orleans where basically everyone is Black, so if he was only into white guys, his dating pool would have been quite narrow.

[quote] Not defending, just saying that Justin was not physically developed for the purpose Tyler mentioned. I do hope Tyler is just trolling to justify his tweets to Selena.

At 16 he was dating Selena Gomez. Was he "physically developed" for that?

[quote] [R212] Look at the picture [R154], he was late with the puberty and physically not developed. Who can be attracted to such a boy?

What do you believe pubescent 12 yr olds look like? Forty yr old men?

[quote] Frank Ocean has been with Black guys like Ysham. Frank is from New Orleans where basically everyone is Black, so if he was only into white guys, his dating pool would have been quite narrow.

New Orleans is 35% white.

[quote] [quote] Well to refrase: if any fully developed white guy said he wanted to fuck a black teenager that looks like a prepubescent I would call him dirty.

This is 18 yr old Tyler in 2010. When he was lusting after 16 yr old Bieber. They both looked like the teens that they were.

Justin Bieber has never been sexy to me. He has either looked like a little girl or a wife beater.

The rapper Kevin Abstract has a pretty hot bf

Have you seen him recently, R246?

[quote] New Orleans is 35% white.

Most of the native white New Orleanians have some Black in them. It's a Creole cultured city with a mix of French, Spanish, Indigenous and African influence and the population who have history there have a similar mixture of that in the genetics. More similar to the Caribbean than the rest of The US. Frank's music and style is heavily seeped in the African-American experience and he never seemed to disassociate himself from being a Black man. He's not like Tyler, Steve or Kevin Abstract who have "new Black" post-racial mentality due to their environments (Southern CA and West Texas respectively). Most other Black people I know love Frank Ocean but don't fuck with Tyler or Brockhampton.

R160 R168 So what is your point here? Ok, some guys have facial features that are traditionally considered feminine, and are smaller and fragile. Especially when they are very young. So, they are not men? They have to become trans women or what?

Should they be the sex toys of some "straight men", I mean should the real girls either be the sex toys of pervos?

R245 Selena was just a little girl, and little girls are the sexually most harmless demographics.

A little predator.

Danger alert. look up your sons.

[quote] Tyler the Creator wanted to fuck Justin Bieber

Is his hole really all that great?

[quote] [R245] Selena was just a little girl, and little girls are the sexually most harmless demographics.

Gomez is 2 yrs older than Bieber. She was 18 in 2010. You're arguing that at 16 Bieber had not gone through puberty and at 18 Gomez had also not gone through puberty.

[quote] Most of the native white New Orleanians have some Black in them. It's a Creole cultured city with a mix of French, Spanish, Indigenous and African influence and the population who have history there have a similar mixture of that in the genetics. More similar to the Caribbean than the rest of The US. Frank's music and style is heavily seeped in the African-American experience and he never seemed to disassociate himself from being a Black man. He's not like Tyler, Steve or Kevin Abstract who have "new Black" post-racial mentality due to their environments (Southern CA and West Texas respectively). Most other Black people I know love Frank Ocean but don't fuck with Tyler or Brockhampton.

None of this rambling supports your claim that everyone "in New Orleans is black."

r247

Nah. AWG.

R245 What an ugly boy!

Ugly is as ugly does.

Baby Bieber Boffage; I'm a believer Bieber loves to get boofed by buff Black blokes...

R260 You say like it is something to be ashamed of.

R261 How so exactly? I'm simply being cheeky, on account of his devout Christian, and "pure"Heterosexual identity. (you know, Hillsong Church, saving himself for marriage, and all that allegedly good stuff)

NOTHING Shameful about enjoying the company of another man, being a bottom, or appreciating buff Black blokes. Nothing at all.

You mean the way he fucked Timmy Shalimar?

R263 Are you an ex- Charmie, starting new fanfiction?

R255 it used to be.

R256 You mean Usher is a pedo? Where there any other kids?

Sorry, R265 about Usher

There were rumors that Usher was the victim of abuse as child, too.

All this child abuse thing makes me sick to my stomach, I really don´t see it as a joke, like some of you ladies.

LSA likes to say that Puff Daddy abused Usher and that Quincy Jones abused Tevin Campbell. Campbell has even tweeted about it, telling people to knock it off.

R270 I read that Tupac accused Quincy Jones of molesting boys.

According to rumors he was not only into boys but men too. There is a rumor (that Quincy denied) that Tupac told how Quincy offered him sex while he was dating Quincy daughter. At least, all stays in the family.

I still hope Quincy has a memoir manuscript hidden where his daughters won't find it and that's it's published via water tight contract right after he dies.

R144 I have to disagree with you there, to me Wyatt is a handsome guy. He is not femme, he is very tall and has masculine and striking facial features. What makes him look so boyish is his lankiness and the fact that he has (or had, I dont know how he looks now) skinny arms and legs. But then, he was very young when he was hanging with Tyler. He was too cute to really be with Tyler. Anybody knows where is he now?

Your standards are... interesting.

He has a hear bleach gone wrong her, but you ca see he is an imposing guy.

What about him is imposing?

R275 As I said, it is only that hear bleach has gone wrong, but otherwise he is a handsome guy.

R277 What is not?

[quote]As I said, it is only that hear bleach has gone wrong, but otherwise he is a handsome guy.

I hear bleach is good for treating Covid.

It is hard to obtain a decent blonde from a very dark hair as he has. Maybe now he uses bleach as Covid prevention, as you suggested.

Has Navarro some Mexican roots?

Like Ramon Novarro

[quote] R256] You mean Usher is a pedo? Where there any other kids?

Usher and Scooter Braun own a record company. They signed Bieber. Which somehow translates to Usher fucked Bieber. Because while white men can sign black artists of any age and make money hand over fist, day and night. Black men cannot sign white teens and make money. Obviously the only reason that Usher would be interested is sex.

This is probably the best he's looked. He always has a sourpuss expression, though.

R284 My question was based on the insinuations of other posters. That is why I asked that, not because of their cooperation. I dont think that every man (black or white) that works with kids is a pedo.

R285 There is Steve Lacy in the back.

Anyway Tyler came a long way from wanting to kill Wyatt´s girfriend on Igor to fucking her on Cmigl.

That sounds like a soap opera plot. It wouldn't be surprise me if Wyatt and the woman are a way of running interference so Tyler's real private life remains under wraps.

Makes sense. Who nows what is hidden?

Now we came to something interesting. Do the DL detectives know what secrets are hidden behind Tyler's soup opera? Any clues?

Maybe he is an incel.

Nobody had a problem when Tyga was fucking underaged Kylie Jenner! Was it ok because she came from family of prostitutes?

The babies at R203 are crying because they know the truth about Tyler.

So anybody seen my baby..., I mean anybody of you savants know where pretty Wyatt is at?

My taste isn´t eurocentric as Tyler´s.

Love this beauty.

Only Steve bisexuality is a little sus to me. In a song he said he could have either boyfriend or wifey. Might be wrong, but I got the feeling that having a wifey for Steve would be like feeding a cat with vegetarian food.

While Tyler is feliciagoat. He may be vegetarian.

Why isn't Steve more famous? He's dime and just as beautiful as justin

Steve looks so much better with short hair

r300 I like both, he got bone structure hunny

How would DL connoisseurs characterize him, what type would he be?

Blasian.

Lovely in a dress.

Who is hot dude in pic with him?

Don´t know.

Just a fan. "Briac from Brittany."

Some fans are better then others.

R307 You know about this Briac, bit you can`tell me where is Wyatt these days.

Can`t say he isn`t beautiful with the right hair.

Chacun a son gout mais...

As an apprentice for DL detective I found this from pic from 4 days ago. Tyler goes shopping in some snobbish shop and in his entourage is Wyatt. Either Wyatt is the most forgiving guy in the world or they are fuckin with us all with this soap opera. Maybe R289 was right.

Maybe the pic is older, only posted a few days ago, but Wyatt tagged it on his instagram.

And I think the woman behind Wyatt is "the stolen bride"

He really is a megatroll!

Jaden Smith and Steve Lacy are both 23. I need them in my harem!

They aren’t my type

You prefer Keiynan Lonsdale?

[quote] Not defending, just saying that Justin was not physically developed for the purpose Tyler mentioned. I do hope Tyler is just trolling to justify his tweets to Selena.

Lol, as if Selena didn't look every bit as childlike as Justin... But that's homophobia for you.

R319 With Selena the damage is already done, he already had written the most disgusting tweets about her when she was a kid. Ok, he was very young too, and I tend to be forgiving toward youth, but the things he wrote to her were so vile that an eight year old wouldn`t have written that for clout. And now adding to all this the fact that he wanted to fuck a child isn`t really necessary. So, I hope it is trolling.

And I ain`t homophobic (to quote Tyler, how can I be when my boyfriend is fag), and I ain`t a medical expert, but I am not in favor of anal sex between a boy and a man. Kids` colon and rectums are not fully developed, and are sensitive, so they could be physically damaged too. Well, if Tyler explained that he wanted to bottom for Justin, i would have been less judgemental, surely.

I actually think wanting to fuck Selena Gomez is more perverse than wanting to fuck Bieber. Gomez looks like a tiny, cutesy little girl, now and ten years ago.

No, I prefer Austin Dunham. He’s my type

[Quote] I am not in favor of anal sex between a boy and a man.

You're doing all of this over a 27 year old and a 30 year old.

That video link at R296 is ridiculous. “Being iconic” = obviously the uploader doesn’t know what ‘iconic’ means, at all. And that “for (x) minutes straight” thing is so pointless and played. What does the number of minutes have to do with anything? I see it all the time on YouTube from users who are obsessed with Marvel comics and similar bullshit: “Evan Peters being a goof for 146 seconds.” Okay…?

God, I hate the Internet. The Taliban needs to bomb it into oblivion.

Picture on R312 is older only it was posted and Wyatt was tagged on Instagram 4 days ago.

And this is the girl in question, the one allegedly stolen from Wyatt.

Sorry, the stolen bride.

Seems that instead of Bieber he ended fucking this

Here is some gossip and pics.

Some more.

Tyler' s been to conversion therapy that included a bonus conversion from white to biracial.

OP, time to open a thread about someone who hasn't been through conversion therapy and isn't fugly, and my suggestion is young Steve Lacy. Or maybe some interesting closet case.

@R17, yeah, here is Justin looking bored with Hailey

Maybe Tyler went to Justin's pastor too, to make him straight.

The gay was chased away by pastor, but does the girl with big boobies uses some butt plugs on Tyler?

Let's get it straight: just because Black American men are obsessed with whiteness and lightness. It doesn't mean it's the case for black men from Africa or the Caribbean who overwhelmingly prefer a black aesthetic.

Also, non of Frank Oceans boyfriends that we know of has been white.

[quote]Kerry Washington was engaged to a white man for the better part of a decade but her husband is white.

Kerry Washington's husband is black. Nigerian, even.

[quote]What is “good hair” in this context?

Chris Rock made a documentary about it. Black Americans have been brainwashed into believing their natural hair and features are unattractive so they spend literally billions of dollars to make themselves appeal to a whiter aesthetic. For example, most hairstyles that come naturally to black women (and men) like afros, dreadlocks or short but natural and unprocessed, are considered unpalatable to corporate America. Black women spend considerably more on their hair than women of other races. And Hollywood plays a huge part. The only black women cast as objects of romantic desire are light-skinned with a European aesthetic. From Lena Horne to Halle Berry, it hasn't changed.

^ Oh, and the people that profit the most from the black hair industry? White and Asian businesses.

So he was straight all along? Another one the DL got wrong. Lol. Y'all think everyone is gay.

[quote]According to Rock, he was inspired to make the movie after his three-year-old daughter Lola asked him, "Daddy, how come I don't have good hair?" She has curly, wiry hair typical of many people of African descent. He realized she had already absorbed the perception among some black people that curly hair was not "good".[3]

[quote]Rock delves into the $9 billion black hair industry, and visits such places as beauty salons, barbershops, and hairstyling conventions to explore popular approaches to styling. He visits scientific laboratories to learn the science behind chemical relaxers that straighten hair.[3][4]

This is what black parents have to deal with.

R342, every child says shit like that. They need to grow up if something as retarded as “good hair” is a detriment to their life.

[quote] Let's get it straight: just because Black American men are obsessed with whiteness and lightness. It doesn't mean it's the case for black men from Africa or the Caribbean who overwhelmingly prefer a black aesthetic. Also, non of Frank Oceans boyfriends that we know of has been white.

Most black American men and women date/marry black people. This trope about black men lusting after white women (that has often resulted in murder eg. Emmett Till) is such a white supremacist throwback. I will add that being that "ebony" and "black" are the most searched porn terms, in the south. You've probably got that obsession backwards. Also attempting to pit black people against each other is equally as disgusting your well worn trope.

R344 It is just porn. In real life they wiuldn't bring a black person home to mama.

Justin Bieber literally just went on a "date" with Usher to Lakers game and he was beaming. There are pics of Justin with his are around Usher.

I find it hard to believe he would be hanging around Usher if Usher molested him.

That pic r334 is not a candid photo as r17 mentioned.

Bieber has always been very flirtatious and touchy feely with a guys and until Hailey every female he dated has been either biracial or Hispanic which is why I personally think the Hailey marriage was arranged.

When he was a teen, his idol was Farrell Williams. Frank Ocean too. A young Farrell was kinda cute.

Been there done that.