Why has Sally Field been forgotten?

Ewwww, Burt Renyolds...another average looking guy who achieved sex symbol status.

And why does he have his arm around my boyhood crush, Ms. McNichols?

Because we don’t like her. We don’t really like her.

Did Kristy just kill someone? It looks like she has blood droplets all over her face.

She hasn't been forgotten. She received a third Oscar nomination a couple of years ago, won an Emmy for Brothers and Sisters and had a little bit of fun with The Amazing Spider-Man films. And IMDB lists a number of upcoming projects. Not as annoying as the inevitable "Why has Covid-19 been forgotten" posts in 5 years time but a bit of a silly question OP.

Two time Oscar and three time Emmy winners aren’t forgotten. Maybe she finds the work she’s doing fulfilling. There’s only so many roles for an older actress Meryl isn’t gobbling up. And there comes a point, especially when you are older, when you want to slow down a bit and enjoy life. She’s never disappeared. An Oscar and Tony nom in the last ten years isn’t falling off a cliff either.

OP, do you have brain damage? Sally Field is still doing movies, TV and live theater. She's never gone away.

She is battling personal demons?

She got really annoying.

She was a hit in London with 'All My Sons' in 2019. I hear there is Broadway talk for the show.

I like Sally but she was miscast in the forgettable, overblown LINCOLN. (Does anyone even remember that thing, years later?) That Oscar nom was well intentioned but undeserved.

I also think that her long run on BROTHERS AND SISTERS hurt her a bit. The series started out strong but was a ridiculous cartoon by the time it ended. It was also network TV, not a cooler "limited series" for HBO or streaming.

Good for Sally for doing theatre. I agree with OP in that I don't think she's getting the offers that Streep, Keaton, or Fonda are getting.

Cute as a bug on “Gidget.”

The BF curse, OP

We love Sally, but she was never the biggest actress in Hollywood. That’s odd revisionist thinking. And her roles in Forrest Gump and Mrs. Doubtfire were supporting.

R13- You have to admit she was good in Places In The Heart

OP- Forget about Sally Field

Why had Kristy McNichol been forgotten?

Norma Rae and especially Places in the Heart do not hold up well. She’s known for her histrionics rather than her acting (see Sybil, Steel Magnolias, et. al.) and for enduring emotionally abusive relationships with noted assholes Johnny Carson and Burt Reynolds. She’s stayed in the game so long because she makes people nostalgic or protective. Judy Davis should have been nominated and won the Oscar for my brilliant career instead of sally for Norma Rae.

I think with a really good script, she could win another Oscar.

R17, especially if G is nominated.

Isn't she constantly on Twitter whoring her son out like a pass around bottom?

Don’t pick on Sally!

Diana Keaton is Diane's less known cousin. She fared rather well in the 70's, but unfortunately, even though she was one of the finest dramatic actresses of her generation, she was always competing for parts with her more bankable cousin. It's a sad story. She took her own life at only 32yo, and left a suicide note "Diane, you bitch, it's all your fault"

Has she shown her nipples? She can't be very good if she hasn't shown her nipples.

[quote]. Why had Kristy McNichol been forgotten?

Because she is a lesbian, now. She has been living on a beef farm in Montana with her wife. They shovel shit and make marmalade.

Diana's last name was Keatan, r21. While the two did compete for roles, they weren't related. Diana's brother is Michael Keatan.

Because Hollywood don't like them getting old. Is Hollywood sexist? Absolutely!

R23- and drive a SUBARU

R24 What was so tragic was that contract negotiations would often get very advanced before producers realized they were hiring Diana instead of Diane.

She was sometimes paid off, sure, but it was nothing like getting to actually perform the roles.

Counseled to change her name professionally by Pauline Kael, she vowed in print, “I was born Diana Keaton and I will die Diana Keaton!”

Well, she got her wish.

KeatAn, r27.

R27- They must have confused Diane Keaton with

DIANA PRINCE aka Wonder Woman

Why has Vivian Lee been forgotten ?

She was in way over her head when she did "The Glass Menagerie" on Broadway. It was painful. Overall, her best quality is a general earnestness that makes her appealing and compelling. But its not like she should be doing "Lady MacBeth"

R30- Because they confuse her with Vivian Vance

Blame the director for that Glass Menagerie debacle. She played Amanda in DC back in 2004 and was great. The broadway production was a disaster.

[quote]She got really annoying.

That's exactly what I was going to say. She's too annoying.

Squeaky Field deserves to be forgotten. She is the patron saint of frau actresses. Can't stand her.

Are you referring to Vivien Leigh Taylor-Young, r30?

Is Vivien the mother of Janet Leigh-Taylor young ?

I think one of the issues is that Sally and/or her manager have stuck to projects where She Is The STAR. The lead. And those are not plentiful for women over 70. She did a great job with Hello My Name is Doris and needs to pursue more quirky things like that.

Fonda, Lange, et al have either found a lot of small but juicy roles to play (Fonda) or had a benefactor to write leading roles OR supporting roles dressed in the pageantry of a leading role (Lange).

I also think the fact that she was, for a time, SO famous does hobble her a bit - she's always seen as Gidget/Flying Nun, or Sybil, very much an icon, and icons are hard to place elsewhere.

Vivien is the mother of Jennifer Jason Leigh Taylor-Young, r37.

She was LUCKY enough to be MOLESTED by one of our most attractive Tarzans and she COMPLAINS about it!

The Flying Nun, Smokey and the Bandit, cutting all ties with the real life Norma Rae, Not Without My Daughter!

Sally is loved by many.

She is and always will be an icon. She honed her acting chops in Sybil and only improved with age.

David! David! DAVID!

I think "Norma Rae" holds up well, including Sally's performance. Its strong pro-union message had added resonance when Reagan fired 11,000 air- traffic controllers and union membership began its steep (20%) decline through the 80s.

She's no Marsha Mason

I doubt Broadway will get that ALL MY SONS REVIVAL. Roundabout just did a production with Annette Bening.

She’s also “cute” and age doesn’t become cute as well - Streep, Fonda, and the great “Diana Keaton” - age just suits their persona and physical type much better.

Still she’s had a very good run and it’s not like she totally disappeared (like, say r46)).

R46- Who knew that Marsha Mason was such a VIXEN in 1972?

I did

R49 do you mean to tell me that you haven't seen CINDERELLA LIBERTY?????

R51 you ain't kidding

She didn't disappear, she had a terrible air collision with a pelican and is slowly recovering...

My favorite Sally bad film 'Surrender' with Michael Caine.

R53- That Puerto Rican guy on The Flying Nun was so good looking.

She's not forgotten; she's suffering the fate of most old actresses. Even so, she's cried all the way to the bank for years. Latest case: her autobiography In Pieces which was a bestseller. Places in the Heart is dated but its closing communion scene still moves me. Enjoyed her role in Lincoln.

[quote] But its not like she should be doing "Lady MacBeth"

I just had this vision of Sally Field as 'Sybil' doing Lady MacBeth!

I thought "Eye for an Eye" deserved a better reception than it received.

The scene where she overhears her daughter's murder over the phone while stuck in traffic is chilling.

Hi, I'm Beverly Macbeth and I'm a pig. Do you have trouble getting that damn spot out?

Maybe she'll be home in the Spring.

The Burt Reynolds picture holding Kristy McNichols is disturbing.

R61, forget it Jake, it was the 70s.

Caan was super hot around that time: "The Godfather", "Slither", "The Gambler" mmmm

R51- I just read the original NYT review from 1973-They didn't like the movie overall.

R63- James Groh, Rhoda's husband on RHODA - he look like a POOR MAN'S Scott Caan.

"The Burt Reynolds picture holding Kristy McNichols is disturbing."

Not really. It's just a picture of Hollywood stars smoozing, with Reynold's girlfriend (Sally) on one side of him and the youthful tv star Kirsty McNichol on the other. A Hollywood pose,

Sorry NOT James Groh- DAVID Groh.

R31, that production was a nightmare. The critics hated it and Field doesn’t talk about it. She earned everyone’s sympathy and respect when she followed that idiot director.

Field is good in 'Hello, My Name is Doris' (2015) the most recent role I've seen her in.

What's disturbing is that eternal killjoy Sada Thompson was just off camera telling Kirsty in no uncertain terms that it's past her curfew and "Family" call time is 6:00 a.m.

R63, Pauline Kael did a great review of two current movies that starred Caan and Reynolds. I think it was called The Actor and the Star. She appreciated both actors abilities but thought Caan was the real thing.

[quote] "The Burt Reynolds picture holding Kristy McNichols is disturbing." Not really. It's just a picture of Hollywood stars smoozing, with Reynold's girlfriend (Sally) on one side of him and the youthful tv star Kirsty McNichol on the other. A Hollywood pose.

The fact is that Burt is snuggling with a known lesbian while his girlfriend looks on gave EVERYONE a bearding story for years!

That photo is from the set of The End, where Field played Reynolds' girlfriend and McNichol played his daughter. (And Joanne Woodward played his ex-wife.)

R73, And Myrna Loy played his mother.

R1 Burt Reynolds was sexier and manlier than Ryan Gosling and Ryan Reynolds whose mouth sprouts purses every time he opens it. Hairy chested men like Reynolds, Jim Brown, James Caan, Hugh O'Brien, Clint Walker, Sean Connery, Tom Selleck, John Travolta . . .were popular sex symbols in the 60s/70s

Field has been working in Hollywood for about 60 years. She has earned the right to pick and choose roles, and to turn down a role. She is 74 years old! Why is there an expectation she continues acting until she drops dead? She's earned a well-deserved life in retirement, if she chooses. Personally, I would enjoy this time of life to the fullest.

She'd make a cracking Miss Marple.

and what of Goldie Hawn or Mia Farrow who are both 1 year older than Field?

Goldie had a great career in broad comedy but never really moved beyond that, perhaps by choice. Or not.

Mia really doesn't have much of a body of work at all beyond her 1960s roles and her films with Woody Allen. No further comment on that.

Not Without My Daughter is a guilty pleasure.

This one is kinda fun, as it features DL faves Linda Lavin, & Kristy McNichol.

"Like Mom, Like Me" (1978). It's worth a watch on a rainy day.

Oh, wait! This thread was about Sally Field? I totally forgot.

I wish they had done an actual biopic of Crystal Lee Sutton rather than the fictionalized Norma Rae.

Because Boniva doesn't work on alzheimer's.

I thought she was charming in Murphy's Romance. Am I the only one who likes that movie?

Of the all the ladies on this cover, Sally is the most forgotten today.

In terms of legend status:

1. Barbra

2. Jane

3. Goldie

4. Jessica/Sally (tie)

Lange is the only one of that group who was never considered commercially viable - I’m not even sure why she’s on there.

Sally honestly had a really good run. Even if Eye for an Eye wasn’t a great success, she was 50 abs headlining a commercial movie. Goldie had a good run too (people would actually say “I’m going to see a Goldie Hawn movie” - like that term existed.)

[quote]Why has Vivian Lee been forgotten ?

More importantly - why is Vivian Vance not sufficiently remembered?

She OLD!

[quote]Jane Fonda, Streisand, Midler, Jessica Lange, Michelle Pfeiffer and Diana Keaton

Really op? Field is the only one to be Oscar nominated in recent years.

Fonda has had a few good roles and the sitcom.

Striesand hasn't made a good film in decades, same for Midler.

Lange only had the Ryan Murphy stuff which once she left didn't seem to land her anything else.

Pfeiffer is trying for a comeback but to no avail yet.

Keaton just does stupid comedies for the money. (she lost a bunch flipping houses and needs the cash.)

R85 So you're the one who saw 'Murphy's Romance'!

I just saw it yesterday oddly enough r85.

I thought it was a nice film. Some people must have seen it r92. Garner got an Oscar nomination (in a year that Field presented.)

I like how Field mocks her age and her infamous speech from the previous year.

I like her. I don’t think anyone has forgotten her.

[quote] [R85] So you're the one who saw 'Murphy's Romance'!

Murphy's Romance was a hit. It grossed $30m on a $13m budget.

[quote]R70 What's disturbing is that eternal killjoy Sada Thompson was just off camera telling Kirsty in no uncertain terms that it's past her curfew and "Family" call time is 6:00 a.m.

Kristy has written that Thompson eased up on her “mother hen”/prison warden behavior once she started rehearsing her replacement role (was in Marge?) on CHARLIE’S ANGELS.

Unfortunately Sada was fired after a disastrous week’s filming and came back to FAMILY more bitter and rigid than ever.

She flew nunder the radar.

I liked Murphy's Romance. And Brian Kerwin was hot in it. James Garner was past his peak of Rockford hotness, but Brian made up for it.

Now that you bring this subject. Mia F. has such a thin body of work that's it's incredible how famous and ubiquitous she's been. Seriously. When I was a kid, she was like, a MAJOR star ('round Gatsby)- mostly because of Peyton place. Good peoplz didn't go see RB, a' 'satanic piece made by a pervert jew' ' (some of you will remember that the opinion largely held Polanski responsible for Tate' s death, along the lines of ' why did it happen to HIM', or' ' He brought it on himself' '.) of course there was the immortal DEATH ON THE NILE. and the popular PURPLE ROSE OF CAIRO/HANNAH AND HER SISTERS but everything else was far between and flopped. She managed to remain a huge star thanks to her private antics. One thing she knows is how to work this business.

I remember when a tumblr post from her gay son was unearthed about 5-7 years ago. It was before he started thirsty for fame. He spilled family tea, like Sally being a mess when it comes to men and her sister being a mess in general. I wish I could find it now.

At least her older sons are successful.

A star photographer told me that Burt Reynolds had a ' fuck slave', a gorgeous young blond hunky personal trainer , that he had hooked on coke and used/degraded for years, until the guy was so wasted he had become a human rag. Burt dumped him and cut ties. The guy died shortly after. The photographer told me he hated Reynold's guts for that completely deliberate destruction of a human being. I believe it.

... More likely ' DESTROYING GUS'S HOLE' on GaymaleTube.. But whatever

Ouppsss sorry, wrong thread

Well, she never forgot my juice. So that's memorable to me.

[quote]Her peers like Jane Fonda, Streisand, Midler, Jessica Lange, Michelle Pfeiffer and Diana Keaton have all fared much better as they've gotten older.

Sally Fields' movie career does not stand in the shadows of Midler, Lange, or Pfeiffer.

Compare:

Midler: After the high of First Wives' Club (25 years old), Midler's relevancy on film has slowly dwindled. She would be the most forgotten from your list.

Lange: After TELEVISION (namely in the form of Ryan Murphy) resurrected her career in the late 2000s, after her relevancy evaporated in the 1990s, she has yet to make a notable film as a lead in the last ten years. She currently has no project in production, TV or film.

Pfeiffer: While she has recently been welcomed into the Maleficent and Avengers universes (in a thankless role) and worked in a unmemorable role in an awful Aronofsky film, she has had three small films which have garnered her some attention in the last 12 years (Cheri, Where Is Kyra, French Exit), yet the impression this whole package has left was pretty minimal.

None of these three ladies stand above Field in film if you look at the last two decades:

She was Oscar-nominated (and arguably RU) in the 2012 Supporting Actress race for a film that made $175M, for a role which she fought for and worked with Steven Spielberg and Daniel Day-Lewis. She also won for NYFCC and BFCS. She had a showcasing role in the Legally Blond franchise, as well as the second incarnation of the Spider-Man series. She also had a charming turn in the indie vehicle, Hello, My Name Is Doris.

But, if we want to go the TV route in this timeframe, she won Emmys for both Brothers and Sisters and ER. And she had a large role in Maniac.

She is not forgotten. Certainly not more than Midler, Pfeiffer, or Lange.

Streep and Keaton have obviously done quite well for themselves. Streisand and Fonda are above reproach.

Also, she has the Boniva commercials.

This follows R86.

I couldn't make out the year on the LIFE cover. It looks like 1985 or 1986.

Goldie was in her prime commercially. Protocol and Wild Cats were big hits. Lange was also in the thick of being in demand, a few years after Frances and as Sweet Dreams was coming out. Fonda was cresting before she started to wind down a few years later. Field was riding off her second Oscar. Babs had just won the Globe for a directing a few years before for Yentl, which was a huge hit.

R107 I wonder why M wasn’t on that cover? She was officially “the actress of the 80s” (TIME magazine and every 80s retrospective issue you can find said so), already had a record number of noms by then, and Out Of Africa would have just won best picture.

Jane is of course a decade older than all of those women (save Babs and looks by dad the best).

*by far / geez

Comparitively speaking, Fields' success was pretty evenly spread out over the 1980s through the mid-1990s.

1981. Back Roads: $12M (Not a bad outcome for a film she costarred with Tommy Lee Jones) 1981. Absence of Malice: $41M (Paul Newman vehicle and gets most credit; yet Field also got a lead Globe Drama nomination) 1982. Kiss Me Goodbye: $16M (it made over double its budget; nice hit with Caan and Bridges) 1984. Places in the Heart: $35M (award juggernaut where she drove the story; winning Actress and Screenplay) 1985. Murphy's Romance: $31M (it made over double its budget; nice hit with Garner)

In 1987, she flopped with Michael Caine (Surrender). She played opposite rising star Tom Hanks in Punchline, which did okay. She is the matriarch in the memorable female-centric classic Steel Magnolias (1989).

In 1991, she tried her hand at driving the plot again in Not Without My Daughter. The film flopped, but she bounced back in yet another beloved film as the matriarch, Soapdish (1991). She took supporting roles in the highest grossing film of Robin WIlliams' career (with him as star), Mrs. Doubtfire, and then one year later in one of the highest grossing dramas of the 1990s, Forrest Gump. She drove the plot of the film An Eye for an Eye (1996), which made well over its budget back. This decade, she was also nominated for Emmy/Globe/SAG (A Woman of Independent Means).

R108, I thought you were talking about Bette Midler at first, lol. That period was pretty much the sweet spot cinematically for the Divine Miss M. She was going into Ruthless People and Down & Out in Beverly Hills. Maybe a little too early for her if this was 1985/1986, as 1987/1988 is when she had her "own" hits or shared them (with Long/Tomlin/Hershey)

But, yes, Meryl was firing on all cylinders as well. Post-Sophie's Choice win, she was enjoying her first and only BP winner where she was decidedly the lead (as opposed to Kramer vs. Kramer). It may have also been her highest grossing film ever (with her as main lead). While she would continue to enjoy more success, she was also focusing more on family and her success wasn't as big as Out of Africa. I'm assuming she was just "too big" to be featured on such a cover with other women? Or was unavailable? I'm sure Sharon Stone has opinions on this! (considering what she was in the news for recently).

Agree about Fonda.

Diane Keaton hasn't turned in a good lead performance since Baby Boom (1987) or maybe Manhattan Murder Mystery (1993) if one is being generous, though the latter was really just Annie Hall: The Menopause Years; in Father of the Bride and First Wives Club she's just a second banana to others (Steve Martin/Martin Short, Bette Midler/Goldie Hawn). Jessica Lange's last good lead performance was in Blue Sky (filmed 1990, rel. 1994), for Fonda it was The Morning After (1986). If Fonda hadn't been born to a famous father or hooked up with other famous men (Vadim, Hayden, Turner), she certainly wouldn't be remembered today in quite the same way.

Considering Sally's work in Brothers & Sisters and Lincoln she seems to be doing as well as can be for any actress who first came to prominence in the '60s. Mia Farrow, by contrast, was only in one successful film (Rosemary's Baby) before hooking up with Woody Allen in 1980; everything in between (John and Mary, A Wedding, Hurricane, Avalanche, Death on the Nile. Great Gatsby, A Dandy in Aspic) were FLOPS. She was reduced to doing Romantic Comedy with Anthony Perkins on Broadway in 1979, back when going from Hollywood to Broadway meant your movie career was over.

So, this thread seems to be......angry or frustrated that these actresses haven't been in the same roles they were 30 years ago?

They did age, you know. The parts are different.

[quote]R108 I wonder why M wasn’t on that cover? She was officially “the actress of the 80s” (TIME magazine and every 80s retrospective issue you can find said so),

She was invited to be a part of the cover but declined. Whether unavailable or just uninterested, I don’t know.

Actors (especially stars) don’t do everything they’re asked to do.

R114, LIFE very much wanted Katharine Hepburn and Bette Davis to pose together for a special Hollywood issue.

Bette was all for it, Kate refused to participate.

She was responsible for popularizing the most damaging psychological profile ever. MPD was a total fraud, and she helped destroy tens of thousands of lives. But she can't be bothered to apologize for her part in the cover up and fraud.

She's a total bitch for the vast number of people she harmed.

GATSBY and DEATH ON THE NILE were HUGE hits R112, don't be silly

Bette Davis ?...no, I don't know her

I think the LIFE cover was on actresses who had set up their own production companies.

JOHN AND MARY was not a success upon release, but after 2 years, it had made a benefit for te studio

R117 hardly. Critics savaged gatsby and it won no awards except for costume design/art direction and death on the Nile made half of what murder on the orient express grossed. Whatever minimal successes these were can’t be attributed to Mia Farrow.

I recall reading Pauline Kael's description of Mia's wig as Daisy in GATSBY as "disfiguring."

I don't know why, but that made me LOL. She does look a bit... extra-terrestrial.

R121 why are you so stupid ? award and commercial success are the same since when ? You can check the numbers online. These movies were enormously successful financially . Murder on the orient express was the biggest money maker of british cinema to date, of course Death on the nile didn't reach that bar ? Why are you so stupid and useless ? are you a woman or something ? (answer being yes, no need to justify yourself

The person upthread who said "She got annoying", more or less got it right. She was a guest on Graham Norton not so long ago:

R93 R95 I think Murphy's Romance is forgotten more than Sally and I was surprised that Garner received his only Oscar nomination for it.

R121 = Soon-Yi .

Why doesn't anyone ever ask Sally Field if she would like to work with ME?

Yes Sharon, we know, YOU and also Princess Di were THE MOST FAMOUS WOMEN IN THE WORLD and then you both disappeared, and it was the end of an era...we got the memo

R99, what's your damage, man? Mia was/is great in any film she graces. She wanted a real life and to raise her children personally. If she hadn't, you'd be the first to call her on it.

[quote] r116 MPD was a total fraud, and she helped destroy tens of thousands of lives.

MPD?

[quote]R129 Mia was/is great in any film she graces. She wanted a real life and to raise her children personally. If she hadn't, you'd be the first to call her on it.

Agreed. J’dore Mia Farrow!

When I was younger I kind of dismissed her because I didn’t find her traditionally glamorous enough. Now she’s one of my favorite actresses.

Very special.

R129 what are you even talking about ? I'm Mia greatest fan , you dumb whore, I'm not the one trashing Mia! Also, are you Ronan ?

[quote]That Puerto Rican guy on The Flying Nun was so good looking.

Handsome and hot Alejandro Ray wasn't Puerto Rican, he was born in Bueno Aires, Argentina. He died in 1987 of lung cancer, he was only 57.

[quote]R122 I recall reading Pauline Kael's description of Mia's wig as Daisy in GATSBY as "disfiguring.".. I don't know why, but that made me LOL.

Farrow herself said she hated that wig, calling it stiff and ugly.

I don’t think it looks soooo bad. But then, it doesn’t look so great either.

The Gatsby Look

I don't know her.

Why is someone contaminating this thread with multiple photos of Mia and not talking about ME?

It’s a bit sad Our Sally’s being upstaged in her own thread by Mia Farrow’s wig.

But Sharon Stone is not the answer.

R117 The Great Gatsby was much anticipated with Redford on the cover of Newsweek and Farrow on People magazine cover, but it was not a huge hit and considering all the publicity it was a disappointment both critically and financially. Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry with Peter Fonda and Susan George grossed more than Gatsby with $28 million to Gatsby's $26million which was far from the huge hits like Blazing Saddles and The Towering Inferno made well over $100million each. The Life and Times of Grizzly Adams grossed $45million and was among the10 highest grossing films for 1974!

$27M was a lot of money for a movie gross back in 1974. It made 4x its budget back. Gatsby was a hit.

Where it fell short was with awards.

Can someone explain why Faye Dunaway and Diane Keaton weren't on the cover too?

Cinesnatch @ R140, you can't fight stupid. That frau has decided to trash Mia and Gatsby, and no matter what you say, her brain won't process it. Pearls to swines. By the way, Mia was never more beautiful than in Gatsby, wig or not wig. Lady frau @ R139, we understand that you're unfuckable, childless, and probably damaged from childhood rape and overweight. However, you're annoying. Please go away. Shooo

They only chose 5 actresses who were attempting to produce their own films.

Shally who?

R141, I love that photo. A second after it was taken all the divas head-butted each other and a catfight ensued. Lange won and the rest had to admit that she is the BEST actress.

Jessica actually did the worst as a film producer or film star.

R143=M

Barbra's hair is looking suspiciously "wiggy" here to me. Just saying. Miss Streisand is no stranger to artificially augmented hair.

It's the mid-80s, so it's kinda hard to tell.

R141 Why did no one as ME to be a part of this photo shoot?

R142 'unfuckable, childless, and probably damaged from childhood rape and overweight' would be an apt description of someone who's getting upset over an abysmal 45-year old film!

I bet Dave Annable hasn't forgotten about mama's sweet puss.

[quote] They only chose 5 actresses who were attempting to produce their own films.

I tried to produce masterclass , for 20 years, until Meryl killed the project, because she couldn't stand the competition

[quote] getting upset over an abysmal 45-year old film!

Oh you don't know! Mia has been my favorite actress and my ideal of beauty since I was a small kid watching Peyton Place. Death on the Nile is one of my all time favourite movies. Do you think I'm gonna let a stupid frau walk over that with her stinky obese feet ? + I am sick and tired of stupid fraus posting here + I am slim, very fit, rapefree, and I 've got kids, so...turning the table (only ever srtategy for stupid fraus) is a bit redundant here missy

PLus I forgot to mention, I am a legit slut, so an average of 5 men /month find me fuckable... Back to Gatsby and DOTN, I don't see how the (real and verified) box office success of a movie could NOT be attributed to it's leading lady, but again, can't cure stupid

Gidget should never have been cancelled - what a great show! Between that and "The Flying Nun", Sally would always have been remembered, even if for nothing else.

Cue the troll to tell us that Mia + The Great Gatsby = Box Office POISON!

Almost 75 years old.

Anywayz I don't think that Sally has been forgotten by people over 35 yo, but if you go down the street and ask random millenials, and gen ZYXs who Sally Field is, they 'll probably tell you that she's a contestant on superchef. But they wouldn't know fonda or keaton either. Being french and all that I asked my cousin if she knew who Isabelle Adjani is (Isabelle is french cinema's most iconic actress , bar Deneuve, for my generation) and she had no idea, she's in her late 20s and she's not uneducated

She hasn't been forgotten. Check her out at the National Theatre online. She's in "All My Sons" and does a terrific job.

R153 R154 Amazing a cum dumpster like you has time to concern themselves with such trivia on DL. After all Jan, it sounds like you have a busy active life even if your angry tone suggests otherwise.

[quote] Amazing a cum dumpster like you has time to concern themselves with such trivia on DL

and that's what people who LIKE ME say about me generally....imagine the rest

R140 I don’t think their careers were in a great place in the mid 80s (and of course, Dunaways never recovered). Plus as was said I believe it was about women with their own production companies (were any of them successful?) I guess that’s why M went missing.

How did someone as bland and forgettable as Fally Sield ever become a star?

[quote] Dunaways never recovered)

I was the TOAST of CANNES. Why won't you talk about THAT ?

R162 Well Jan, shit attracts flies after all!

R30 IT'S VIVIEN LEIGH .

WE DON'T REALLY LIKE YOU...SALLY .

R166, this is DL. We only know Vivien Vence

R166 , it's VIVIAN VANCE , DUMBASS .

Why has Florence Lawrence been forgotten ?

R161 Well, Jan, I'm sure they're saying you've one of the nicest trailers in the park.

Helen Lawson founded Foreplay Productions in the early 1950s and produced her own films until she retired a very wealthy woman.

R171, do you really think you're going to hurt me ? wow! you ARE a woman aren't you ?

R173 Jan since you seem to take it personally that some don't agree with you regarding The Great Gatsby, I've got to wonder how you deal with all the men who cum and go in and out of your trailer.

Lady, nobody here, except you, is interested in our little war. You're the only person hurt here. if you have a contribution to make in this thread, do so. you are tragic . Again this is a board for gay people. Byiiiie

R175 Could have fooled me Jan. You negatively characterized people because they don't think the way you do and provided TMI about your slutty self. Who's hurt?

ok we have a crazy person here...sad, moving on please, back to sally field

R177 You must be new to DL. Threads often divert from the topic and since the topic is Sally Field, consider it a mercy!

R178=Bette Midler

I've only ever seen her in Norma Rae. She was very good, typical 70's homely energetic chick, but nothing to write home about.

[quote]R163 How did someone as bland and forgettable as Fally Sield ever become a star?

Because she’s a skilled actress who studied hard at the Actors Studio, and she has a likable “everywoman” quality that made audiences identify with her.

Not everyone has to be Marlene Dietrich. [italic]Someone [/italic]has to portray normal, everyday people.

Normal, everyday people don’t act like Sally in the Steel Magnolias cemetery scene. That was embarrassing.

She hasn't been forgotten.

She got a Kennedy Center Honor. Something her contemporaries like Jessica Lange, Goldie Hawn, Susan Sarandon, and Diane Keaton haven't recieved.

R182 oh I've seen that too..tried to watch the entire movie, and couldn't. What was that CRAP? It was like a parody of a chick flick on SNL, with old hags trying to out-overact each other. That was GROSS

I guess she's normal, everyday by Hollywood standards, but she's much too attractive and photogenic to be normal, everyday by normal, everyday standards.

R183 but DIANA Keaton died just a few days short of her Kennedy Center Honor. What tragedy

I feel bad for M'Lynn. She knew her daughter having a baby would kill her. She was just trying to protect her, and then Shelby went begging for her support and into that whole 30 minutes of wonderful vs a lifetime of nothing special guilt speech.

I think that Sally Field is miscast in ANYTHING that she's cast in. Major film stars shilling eventually also for medical products on TV gets a thumbs-down vote from, as well. I respect her productions she's been involved with, but she's never been one of my most favorite actors personally. Too many vocal and personal tics in her acting style, for my tastes.

R188 - even The Flying Nun?

Sally was really, really funny in Soapdish, but nobody seems to remember that movie for some reason.

Isn’t Sally an accomplished woman who is a multimillionaire and you are unqualified? It’s amazing how people still think their anonymous comments have any impact.

[quote]R185 I guess she's normal, everyday by Hollywood standards, but she's much too attractive and photogenic to be normal, everyday by normal, everyday standards.

Right, she’s “normal, everyday” by Hollywood standards.

It’s always so funny to me when there’s a breakup in a movie or a TV show because “it’s just not working”… and we in the audience are like, “But they look like a MOVIE STAR!! You think you’ll get someone like that AGAIN???”

Oh, but they will - because most everyone in film and TV looks like a movie star : ) The policemen, the waiters, the mail carriers, the Sunday School teachers….

[quote]R186 DIANA Keaton died just a few days short of her Kennedy Center Honor. What tragedy.

Well, it wasn’t a regular Kennedy Center Honor, was it? I think it was their Valor in Anonymity Award. They give those out before the broadcast, at a breakfast buffet thing.

They may have been discontinued by now.

Still it could have been Diana's big break, escaping finally the shadow of her cousin

Did Burt ever slip and call Sally Dinah in bed?

Sally Field may be forgotten, but no one will ever forget Diana Keaton - may she rest in peace.

R196 you know what Diane said, learning of her death through the press ? "who?".....bitch!

This is an interesting interview/overview.

It cracks me up that she was very dedicated and went into the SYBIL audition in character - very meek, looking dowdy, not making eye contact as she was in the waiting room. Basically just being a blank, frightened lump as befitted the scene. And everyone on staff at the casting agency was like, “Oh. Oh my goodness. We had no idea Sally Field was so… drab. And depressed!”

33:00 MARK

Sally field sounds like an area of a siege.

[quote]Valor in Anonymity Award

I'll take one of those!

R117=Mia's publicist.

R140 It also fell short of BO expectations, audience expectations with a 47% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes and poor reviews.

Stanley Kauffmann THE NEW REPUBLIC 'A long slow sickening bore'

Jason Bailey FLAVORWIRE-'the pace is overwhelmingly sluggish, the scenes full of dead air . . . '

R121 Death on the Nile ranked #31 for BO in 1978; The Wiz was #26!!!!

"casting agency"

Casting Directors are not agents, nor do they work in an "agency".

Just trying to do my part to stamp this out!

As I already wrote, the film was a disappointment on the awards circuit (even though it won two tech Oscars and a globe).

But, name me one film that made 4x its production budget back (even with heavy promotion) that was considered an outright flop.

R203 and R204 don't understand the difference between critical and commercial success, or successful vs biggest box office. How stupid is that seriously ? But then again, what to expect from fraus

R207 Doesn't understand the term BO disappointment or the words underperformed, sluggish, bore or Byiiiie.

R208's pussy STINKS

Sally Field is so forgotten that all anyone can do in this thread now is debate Mia's box office pull in Great Gatsby and Death on the Nile.

Death on the Nile is an eternal classic, much better than the boring orient express, and a lot of it thanks to Mia , of course, the rest of the dreamy cast doesn't hurt. i personally cast a spell last year on the reboot= R208 you should worry, you in danger GURL.

Did Fally Sield deserve either of her Oscars? I feel she definitely did not deserve the second win. I thought she was good in Norma Rae but I forget who the other nominees that year were, apart from the awful Bette Midler who definitely was far worse.

Places in the Heart=little widow on the prairie.

R212, Jane Fonda deserved to win for "The China Syndrome".

Diana Keaton understood the words BO disappointment.

[quote]r205 re: "casting agency"…Casting Directors are not agents, nor do they work in an "agency". Just trying to do my part to stamp this out!

What would you have us call them?

Are finance directors really directors? Is an advertising agency really an agency?

These are terms we use broadly.

For that matter, FBI agents are not “agents”, in Hollywood terminology.

Why isn't anybody asking Mia Farrow if she wants to work with me ???

The casting agent troll is getting tiresome.

Anyway, we talk about M not having “memorable” movies on her resume but that may even be more the case with Field - except two where she played the “wife” and the “mother.”

I’d rather watch Foul Play or Private Benjamin any day over Norma Rae, as I think would most of the normal world.

I like Sally a lot, because I tend to root for the underdog. And she has said of herself that she's not wired to have the confidence and gutsiness etc. that her female peers do. She is constantly on the outside looking in. She even willingly agreed to audition for her part in Lincoln because she wasn't on Spielberg's short list. At industry social events, she's got that Lucy VanPelt grimace going full tilt; she's tense and on the defense.

This isn't word for word, but Pauline Kael said this of Sally around the time of Not Without My Daughter. She has a whole range of feeling and emotions that she brings to her roles—angry, happy, scared, devastated, flirty, the list goes on and on. And she plays them all very well, but only one at a time. There's rarely a mix of emotions going all at once.

She moved to NYC to do more theatre about five/six years ago and she lives at 2 Horatio.

R220 I usually think Kael is full of shit but that’s spot on.

R210 Gatsby was about Redford who in the previous year 1973 was in 2 huge BO hits: The Sting #2 and The Way We Were #5. Redford was the top BO draw for the period 1970-1979 followed by Harrison Ford, Richard Dreyfuss, Burt Reynolds and Gene Hackman. Streisand was the only female in the top 15. Even Paramount chief Bob Evans derided The Great Gatsby.

^ MIA=missing in action

R222 every body agrees that the great gatsby, except for Mia 's and Dern's performance was a miss. It's a disaster. But.it.was.financially.successful

I've loved the Redford/Farrow Gatsby since I was a little kid. I still do.

Mia's 70s films Avalanche (1978) and Hurricane (1979) were disasters in every sense of the word and 2 dull films The Haunting of Julia (1977) and The Public Eye (1972) sank without a trace. Ensemble films The Wedding (1978) and Death on the Nile (1978) fared better.

Her portrayal is the same psycho-neurotic squeak-and-squawk routine Farrow has foisted on us since Peyton Place-Judith Crist New York Magazine

Nor can we understand what's so special about Daisy. Not as she's played by Farrow-Roger Ebert

Farrow is far too stilted to evoke Daisy's signature quality of intoxicating carelessness-Peter Hanson -Every 70s Movie

I think a reboot of Murder, She Wrote with Sally would be a wonderful idea. She's the right age now to play it, and she's the only actress who could fill Angela's big shoes.

Farrow is PERFECT as Daisy, anyone who can't see that is mentally deficient.

OP is Sam, trying to get his mom more work so she ups his allowance

She's 75 years old. Most people retire around that age, especially when they have the money .

R228 she looks perfect, yes (and especially compared to Carey Mulligan, I mean shit). But her acting is atrocious.

The movie is a total guilty pleasure for me - I watch it for the clothes and Newport mansions - but objectively it’s not good and most of the acting is pretty terrible.

THE PUBLIC EYE aka FOLLOW ME was way ahead of it's time and is delicious. THE HAUNTING OF JULIA IS haunting and Mia is GREAT in it. HURRICANE has great moment and is gorgeously photographed by a master of cinema. Secret ceremony is a cult movie. SEE NO EVIL was successful. You know, you don't need critics, or millions of other people's approval to validate your taste R226. You could be your own judge of what is enjoyable for you. But odviously you are an unattractive , damaged , mentally unbalanced jewish woman, who prefers to troll a gay board, while stuffing yourself on your soiled bed thinking of that day when you thought you'd get laid, rather than try and live your life, and have no sense of self, and you will never be able to appreciate someone like Mia Farrow, who lives on her own terms. So I suggest you just switch to another thread, perhaps : When has DL officially become a straight women board , are there still any gays out there even ?

[QUOTE] she looks perfect, yes and especially compared to Carey Mulligan

ANYONE looks perfect compared to Carey Mulligan (wasn't she the one about whom critics said "why give a part meant for a fuckable woman to that fug" last award season ?)

R228 Polite critical reaction was torn between Farrow is ineffective/Farrow is miscast. All you have to do is quote/post the reviews that counter that. And while you are at it, you might try looking for Madeleine McCann! LOL!

There's never been a really good film version of THE GREAT GATSBY. I include the 1949 version with Alan Ladd. (There was a 1926 version that is now lost.)

It really is an unfilmable story, IMHO. You can regale an audience with lavish Jazz Age sets, costumes, cars, but that's not the heart of the story.

Of course, now that the novel is in the public domain, expect an avalanche of shitty adaptations. There's at least one stage musical in the works.

R234 Farrow's performance has been wildly reevaluated these past decades, she was even honored on the cover of PEOPLE MAGAZINE

Why isn’t anyone asking me if I can play Daisy?

Shut up Sharon

Speaking of miscast Daisys, Gatsbys, etc... does anyone even recall this Brit/US co-production?

With (inexplicably popular on DL) Paul Rudd as Nick and Mira Sorvino as Daisy.

Just kill me now.

R236 Where and by whom? Dylan Farrow?

R240 FYI

R238 Hi, bitch.

[quote]R228 Farrow is PERFECT as Daisy, anyone who can't see that is mentally deficient.

A deeper question may be, is Daisy even a playable role? She’s more symbol than fleshed out human being.

R236 The People magazine cover was part of the publicity campaign for the film along with Redford on the covers of Newsweek and Time and the magazines were on the stands before the film opened. And what exactly was Farrow being honored for?

Being STUNNING and BRAVE ,you stupid cumdump

R245 You counter arguments have about as much foundation as the Champlain Towers South in Miami. LMAO!

R215 that's all she's ever known

Some of the novel’s too deep for me, but I adore Lovey’s chapter in GILLIGAN’S WAKE (2003) by Tom Carson. It explores Lovey’s jazz baby days and friendship/affair with Our Daisy Buchanan.

The story devotes a chapter to each GILLIGAN’S ISLAND character away from the island.

[quote] Sail Away (Lovey's story): Mrs. Howell (not actually named Lovey; that was Thurston Howell's later nickname for her) was born into a wealthy Eastern family. She loved her oil-driller father, but despised her suffragette mother and their maid, Lil Gagni. Eventually, her father moved out to Los Angeles on the pretext of drilling for oil, but instead began living with another woman, leaving Lovey feeling betrayed. Upon growing up, she lived the opulent lifestyle of the young and rich in the Jazz Age, but her obvious and admitted Elektra complex prevents her from sustaining any real relationship with men, despite Thurston Howell's dogged efforts. She begins a friendship with Daisy Buchanan (a character from the novel The Great Gatsby). Daisy is struggling for companionship after her husband's death, and tries to get Lovey closer by addicting her to morphine and pursuing a lesbian relationship with her. At first Lovey resists when she realizes Daisy's lesbian intentions, but in the end, she misses the experience of the morphine trips (which she describes as "sailing away") and drives back to East Egg – past a Maxwell House billboard – to be with her again. Over time, however, Lovey finds herself annoyed with Daisy's possessiveness, unintelligent daughter and yappy lap dog (named SooSoo). Ultimately, she realizes that the only person she could ever really love would be an idealized version of her father and leaves Daisy. She comes home to find her mother dead. She destroys her mother's life work, a memoir about her work as a suffragette, which highly offends Lil Gagni. She then proposes to Thurston Howell, not out of love but instead the desire for a steady, loving presence in her life.

Right. R1. Definitely average looking and just not hot at all.

gross

[quote]R215 Diana Keaton understood the words BO disappointment.

[quote]R247 that's all she's ever known

Tragically, shortly before her death Diana Keaton had developed a bio pic script about her own troubled life… exploring what it was like to experience the ups and downs of being a struggling actress. Financing was in place as long as Diana’s cousin Diane would play her.

When Diane’s agent called her about the deal, she cruelly said, “WHO?”

The film was never made.

Bitch...

Why does no one ever ask ME to play Diana Keaton?

Sharon FFS...

Sally Field has had a long and rewarding career and probably doesn't care if she's out of the Hollywood loop at this point.

Sally may have been forgotten, but I still masturbate to Burt Reynolds periodically.

Why isn't anybody asking R256 why he doesn't masturbate to ME ???

R244, No one has mentioned that Mia's 1974 issue was the debut of PEOPLE Magazine, when it cost 35 cents.

"The fact is that Burt is snuggling with a known lesbian while his girlfriend looks on gave EVERYONE a bearding story for years!

"A known lesbian?" Little Kristy was no "known lesbian" back then. She was deeply hidden in the closet, and stayed there until her late forties, when she finally came out, as if it mattered anymore since she'd long ago abandoned her career due to mental illness.

R259 Everyone knew about Kristy. Jodie Foster knew. Sophia Petrillo knew. Hell, even Meryl knew!

The 1970s was a wonderful time for female child actors who were proto-lesbians: McNichol, Nancy McKeon, Jodie Foster, Tatum O'Neal

A few of us were proto-straight!!

R262 Did you have to go bringing TV's Sweetheart Sue Richardson into this?

"Everyone knew about Kristy."

Her fans didn't know. If anyone had suggested to them that she was a lesbian, they would have gasped "Kristy? That sweet little girl? A lesbian? NO!"

R264, Wasn't her character on "Family" a tomboy?

She wasn't a lesbian, she was a doll!

We knew, R264

She hasn't been completely forgotten. I think I kind of recall that we like her, we really like her.

R265 Her character's name was 'Buddy'!!! Letitia 'Buddy' Lawrence is how it's listed in the credits. Did anyone ever call her Letitia?

At Studio 54, Sally and Burt called her "drinking Buddy". Totally inappropriate.

Not all of her fan base "knew", R267. Maybe her gay fan base. And although her role as "Buddy" made her seem a bit tomboyish the show made it very clear she was interested in boys, not girls. At any rate, she projected the image of a heterosexual when she was a young star, although any one with gaydar could see through that. But a lot of people didn't. She and her brother Jimmy cut a record together and were considered "singing stars"; they had some tv special where Kristy confessed to Jimmy her crush on Donny Osmond. Ugh. But that's what she wanted people to believe, that she was a girl who loved boys.

Did Jimmy reveal to Kristy his crush on Marie Osmond?

Sally was a slut for stealing Burt away from Dinah Shore. I'll never forgive her for that. Sally's career died because of Dinah's voodoo against her.

R271 It was the just the name "Buddy', look at the image at R266 she looks like Michael Beck from The Warriors and Xanadu!

And I'll steal your man next, R273!

On Family all of the characters called her Buddy, except for Sada who called her 'Lezzy Tush' which was a play on Leticia. Sada raised two lesbians, good for her!

I wrote the screenplay for Lincoln.

Sally Field has osteoporosis which has affected her ability to work long hours on a movie set. She has gone back to television work.

Willie, Annie, Timmy, and Doug also now self-identify as lesbians, and I have not seen any of them since they left for Michfest many years ago.

R85 There was a great scene in the movie where we get to see a flash of James Garner's low-hanging balls swinging between his legs from the back as he's fucking Sally Field.

The interesting thing about Sally's first Oscar for Norma Rae was she only got the part because Jane Fonda, Jill Clayburgh, Marsha Mason and Diane Keaton turned it down. (her fellow nominees that year were then Clayburgh, Fonda, Mason and Midler.)

Mason recently said on awardsdaily.com that she wanted to do it but Neil Simon wanted a stay at home mother for his daughters and didn't want her to be away from them that long.

Keaton said in her bio that all the attention of Annie Hall freaked her out so much that the next few years instead of taking a lead in a film of her own she "hid" in the ensemble of Woody Allen movies (Manhattan, Interiors) where she felt safe.

Don't know why Fonda and Clayburgh passed.

Sally's second Oscar she really didn't have much competition for. She was in the most popular film so she won. (Judy Davis was in a popular film but her performance was panned by some and she was considered miscast.

Sam honey, mommy is retired. You'll just have to get a job!

Someone said her other sons are successful. What do they do?

R280, That scene earned him the Oscar nomination.

Sally’s film debut, making out with Jeff Bridges.

um no r284 and r280 they don't even kiss until the last scene.

Brian Kerwin has a nude butt scene and is quite cute in it.

[quote]The interesting thing about Sally's first Oscar for Norma Rae was she only got the part because Jane Fonda, Jill Clayburgh, Marsha Mason and Diane Keaton turned it down.

Now that is one bland group of actresses, isn't it? Not an ounce of charisma among the lot of them. Diana and Jane could muster up a tiny bit of charisma with the right director, but the rest of them are forgotten for a reason.

Streisand and Dunaway blew them away when it came to star power. Just like Davis and Crawford blew away the actresses from their generation.

R286 The scene was from the last scene. It was shown in the theatrical and cable versions of the film, but cut from the video release.

no r288 cut it out

[quote]R287 Diana and Jane could muster up a tiny bit of charisma with the right director, but the rest of them are forgotten for a reason.

AT LAST the ill fated Diana Keaton gets some long awaited professional recognition!

DL loves Diane Keaton in Looking for Mr. Goodbar.

Jane is excellent in The China Syndrome (1979) and more deserving of the Oscar than she was for Coming Home (1978).

Yeah. Coming Home is a bland performance. It was a political win. Sort of an apology for the Vietnam flack she received.

(Jane was bitchy and ungrateful though when The Deer Hunter won Best Picture and she said it was "the Pentagons version of Vietnam." Then admitted she hadn't seen it.)

Jane Fonda's performance in "Comes a Horseman" was Oscar worthy as well.

That was the same year as Coming Home so she couldn't be nominated for it. Maybe that helped with the win for Coming Home sort of like how Keaton had two big films the year before.

From (the not always reliable) not starring dot com - —— Friday the 13th: Lost the role of Alice in Friday the 13th. (Actor who got the part: Adrienne King)

The Graduate: Turned down for role of Elaine Robinson in The Graduate. (Actor who got the part: Katherine Ross)

The Hunt for Red October: Sally Field turned down the role of "Caroline Ryan". (Actor who got the part: Gates McFadden)

The Last Temptation of Christ: Sally Field was originally cast as Mary Magdalene but had to drop out due to pregnancy. (Actor who got the part: Barbara Hershey)

Moonstruck: Sally Field turned down the role of Loretta. (Actor who got the part: Cher)

No Small Affair: Sally Field was originally set to star alongside Matthew Broderick in this film. (Actor who got the part: Demi Moore)

Sophie's Choice: Sally Field was considered for the lead role. (Actor who got the part: Meryl Streep)

Thelma & Louise: Ridley Scott, having little interest in casting Geena Davis as Thelma, preferred the beautiful Sally Field. (Actor who got the part: Geena Davis)

Time After Time: The studio had wanted Sally to star in Time After Time. (Actor who got the part: Mary Steenburgen)

To Die For: Considered to play the mother, "Carol Stone". (Actor who got the part: Holland Taylor)

R293 Coming Home is a poor film, and apolitical. The cliched story could have happened during any war. There's nothing specific about the Vietnam War in the film.

R296 and she said yes to one of the worst films ever? Beyond the Poseidon Adventure (1979) in which she's awful!

Sally’s mother was a minor actress named Maggie Mahoney.

R287 Ahem....

sorry

I disagree r298. I think she brings a bit of humor and fun to the otherwise flat Poseidon.

She did it for the money. Norma Rae was a very small film and she had no idea it would become the sensation it did. She was a single mother of 2 sons.

R302 She received $250,000 for Hooper (1978) and $400, 000 for Norma Rae (1979) that's a lot of money today and in the late 70s it was a huge amount. She's embarrassing in BTP, her lines are idiotic, and so are her costars Shirley Jones, Mark Hamill, Angela Cartwright, Veronica Hamel, Slim Pickens,

you are no fun r303

BTP is bad but it is fun bad and Sally is game for it. Why did Michael Caine do it? Money.

They'll show a clip from Norma Rae when she dies. That was her high point. Most actors embarrass themselves in a lot of lousy movies. De Niro was a god in the seventies and look at the drek he's been in.

Faye was never a box office star. Not as a lead. Glamorous yes. But her star efforts mostly failed. Eyes of Laura Mars, Mommie Dearest, were not box office hits. Even Barbra ran out of gas with The Main Event.

She did explain on Inside the Actors Studio that her career was always one step forward then one step back. Sybil then Smokey and the Bandit. Norma Rae then Beyond the Poseidon Adventure.

I don't know if she explained why she took Poseidon. Maybe to boost box office appeal? She said she took Smokey and the Bandit because after years of being typecast as perky Sybil typecast her as depressing. She said the response she'd get was that she had been very good in Sybil but people would say she's too dark, ugly and intense for our film.

She did Smokey for the validation that if Burt Reynolds, a major star could see her as attractive maybe other people could to.

R304 BTPA is no fun. Not even campy fun. It's dead in the water and largely because of it's mostly TV cast including Fields it feels like a cheap, dull, bland made-4-tv film. Michael Caine will do anything for money. Wasn't he in another awful and completely unnecessary sequel Jaws: The Revenge (1987) Lost Horizon (1973) IS bad fun.

BTPA has Metascore of 22 on IMDB which is really low and Jaws The Revenge has a 15!!!! Valley of the Dolls by way of comparison has a 49 and Exorcist II has a 39.

[quote] Even Barbra ran out of gas with The Main Event.

Not even the least bit true. Streisand made very few films after she began directing. The Main Event and Yentl were box office hits. The Prince of Tides was huge. Even The Mirror has Two Faces did $82m. And then she had the two Fockers movies, though she wasn't the star of those, but they were both huge.

Her only real flop in that time was All Night Long (and Nuts and The Guilt Trip were disappointments.)

Dunaway was NEVER box office. BONNIE AND Clyde never happened. Not TOWERING INFERNO. Or 3 DAYS OF THE CONDOR. or LITTLE BIG MAN. She never played Milady de Winter. She never existed.

r311 is one of her FANS!!!!!

Has anyone even ASKED Faye if she wants to work with ME ????

Please use the proper Miss Dunaway and not Faye or just plain Dunaway.

There was a time when I was the most famous Faye in this country.

She's nearly 75. She should be retired, watching "Blue Bloods" and playing Bingo. Why do show business people refuse to retire? Follow Linda Ronstadt's example.

R316, Linda Ronstadt stopped performing because she's seriously ill.

Faye added to the box office, r311, but she wasn't *the* box office.

Faye! Sally! Mia! Everyone in this thread is BOX OFFICE POISON!

Can anyone ever imagine a family or couple saying, “We have nothing to do tonight. Let’s watch an old Barbra Streisand movie.”

Well, not a heterosexual family, R320.

Mentioned upthread: can you IMAGINE Sally playing Loretta in MOONSTRUCK? That might have killed her career--and the entire film.

[quote] Faye! Sally! Mia! Everyone in this thread is BOX OFFICE POISON!

It's actually not a joke that Faye is a big deal in France. She was recently honored at the festival Lumières in Lyon (birth city of cinema). It's a very highbrow festival, considered the nobel prize of film.

Faye is especially loved in France for her more recent work.

R323 why did you delete the actual sound of the video ??

Sally who?

Oh right, I forgot Sally ! the thread was about Sally

Faye Mess!

There has been comment that Sally's win for Places in the Heart was undeserved .She was up against Judy Davis for A Passage to India, Jessica Lange for Country, Vanessa Redgrave for The Bostonians and Sissy Spacek for The River.

Who is the elderly Vietnamese man in the photo at R322?

No one who was nominated for the 1984 Best Actress Oscar was deserving of the award. It should have gone to Kathleen Turner for Crimes of Passion/Romancing the Stone. Other performances more deserving of nominations than the dregs in that category were Lesley Ann Warren for Choose Me, Gena Rowlands for Love Streams, Diane Keaton for Mrs. Soffel, and if you want to place her in lead (I felt she was supporting), Mia Farrow for her wonderful gangster's moll in Broadway Danny Rose.

That was a really bland year that Sally won her second Oscar. Those movies are all forgotten.

Yeah, outside of Amadeus, nothing from 1984 is really remembered. You'd have to go all the way down to Sixteen Candles to find another classic from that year.

[quote]r318 Faye added to the box office, but she wasn't *the* box office. —Paul, Steve, & Dustin

Ya know what? FUCK Y’ALL!

I throw PISS IN YER FACE!

One might well ask: who has Sally Field forgotten?

I wonder if Sally had been more dignified in her acceptance speech whether she would had more serious offers. That whole “you like me” remarks made her into a joke all over again.. But that’s her personality to be really cute, annoying and chirpy.

Sally kisses Stephen Colbert. For a long time.

That list at R296 seems like a big pile of bullshit. Sally Field as Mary Magdalene? As Sophie in "Sophie's Choice?" As one of the two insane women in "Thelma and Louise?" What a crock of shit!

Shally as Shally Bowlesh!

[quote]r337 That list at [R296] seems like a big pile of bullshit. Sally Field as Mary Magdalene? As Sophie in "Sophie's Choice?" As one of the two insane women in "Thelma and Louise?" What a crock of shit!

Haha. I myself doubt she ever considered doing FRIDAY THE 13TH. But as for the rest, they always consider a lot of performers for any particular role. In the end it’s many people who vote on who finally gets cast - and they all have their own ideas, different industry people they owe favors to , different agents they share, etc.

They also have to consider a wide selection because top stars are notorious for breaking off negotiations when something better comes along… so producers really need 3 or 4 strong candidates for when it gets down to the wire.

This is an interesting interview. I’m surprised the actor who played Moon Doggie eventually killed himself (!) And her acting at the 6:00 mark is quite strong for someone on their first professional job.

^^ Sorry, it wasn’t the Moon Doggie actor who committed suicide, but the one who played John Cooper (Pete Duel).

(I’ve never seen the show.)

This guy:

Faye was a big box-office draw. Eyes of Laura Mars in 1978 was her last big hit though. Both Laura Mars and Mommie Dearest are huge cult favorites and have made lots of money over the years. She was never as big as Streisand, who was the biggest box-office actress of the 1970s.

R326 It detoured with the 1st reply which was about Burt and Kristy with no mention of Sally.

The film work of Meryl, Jane and Faye holds up the best.

Barbra - no one will watch her old movies.

Sally, Jessica, Sissy, ... Meh.

Will Ally Fields be nominated for an Oscar ever again? When she was nominated for playing Mary Todd Lincoln as a brazen, schizophrenic sexpot who turned Gay Abe bisexual, Mrs Don Gummer was terrified that Fields would win and match her tally of 2 BA / 1 BSA.

R344 Actually, a number of Spacek's films are more beloved and respected than all the others you have listed combined.

Badlands, Carrie & 3 Women. Coal Miner's Daughter is the look at pic when any filmmaker wants to make a bio-pic about an entertainer. They don't come any better than that.

Fonda is next with They Shoot Horses Don't They & Klute. Barbarella has a cult following as well.

Aside from Manhattan and The Deer Hunter Meryl's films are laughable.

Sally Field will NEVER be forgotten for her performance in Norma Rae.

R342 Eyes of Laura Mars was a flop. It has however gained a cult following.

Faye hasn't had a hit since Network but at least Eyes of Laura Mars and Mommie Dearest have endured with the later having a large cult following.

Eyes of Laura Mars grossed the equivalent of $80m today, so it was not a flop.

R330, thanks for mentioning one of my all-time-favorite movies, Choose Me.

Back to the topic at hand...

Yes Lesley Ann Warren's breathy sexy shtick can get tired quickly but she was good in Choose Me as was Genevieve Bujold.

R350, Her "Cinderella" Prince Charming, Stuart Damon, just died.

Why don't you mention The Champ, R342, I was terrific in THAT, why do you always have to focus on the negative?

Just showing some love for NOT forgotten Celeste.

Meryl has Death Becomes Her, The Devil Wears Prada, Postcards from the Edge, Defending Your Life, Kramer v Kramer, all beloved.

It amazes me that someone as plain looking and not-so-pretty as Sally Field has gotten as far as she has. Even surviving work as a child actress.

[quote]Barbra - no one will watch her old movies.

Have you lost your mind? Funny Girl, Hello Dolly, What's Up, Doc and The Way We Were are some of the most beloved films of all time.

The real question is, why hasn't Sally Field been forgotten?

Must agree with R356. It's easy to dismiss Barbra merely because you don't like her, or stopped liking her, etc. But you can't deny her contributions to film.

Of the 4 named, WHAT'S UP DOC? is my personal fave. Easily one of the funniest movies of the 70s, with a stellar cast around Barbra.

God, Soapdish is still hilarious, thirty years later. One of the funniest films of the past 50 years.

R346 Don't forget Cat Ballou(1965), Barefoot in the Park(1967), The China Syndrome (1979) ,9 to 5 (1980) ,Coming Home (1978), On Golden Pond (1981) and Julia (1977). The last 3 titles were Best Picture Nominees and Fonda received Oscar nominations for 4 of those films winning her second Oscar for Coming Home.

Mary Tyler Moore should have gotten an Oscar for her performance in "Just Between Friends."

Totally agree it’s easy to dismiss Barbara.

R361 And don't forget her performance in Six Weeks (1982) with the other Moore, Dudley. Mary plays a wealthy cosmetic tycoon whose 12-year old daughter is dying from leukemia.

Mary Tyler Moore needed to learn her limits.

I love MURPHY'S ROMANCE! I worked at a video store in 1987-1988, and I remember it was a hugely popular rental. It is also one of those movies that seemed to pop up on HBO, constantly, in the years following its release. (THE BIG CHILL was another)

Could they remake it as “Murphy’s Bromance”?

Sally could have a cameo as the understanding aunt/granny.

Is there a part for Sam?

Absolutely.

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R364 So true. And that limitation was sit-coms. She had no place in cinema.

I could never sit down and again watch that grief and revenge porn which is "Eye For An Eye". It was a ghastly and tasteless exploitation movie, yet the fraus went wild for that shit. Even Oprah devoted a whole hour to that film declaring it was "thought-provoking and provocative".

It's amazing that Barbra now looks younger than Sally, Faye and Jane. The work she's had done is flawless.

R371, Flawless? Seriously?

Not up close

R371 Bwahahahaha

I prefer Jane Fonda’s work. She is flawless.

Has DL stopped calling her Our Sally?

There's only one OUR

Barbra is getting that lioness look women with too much work get.

They need to hire a new surgeon in the mall.

[quote]R371 It's amazing that Barbra now looks younger than Sally, Faye and Jane.

Babs lived a physically healthy life without abusing her body via years of bulimia (Fonda) or substances (Dorothy Faye).

Babs has always been lazy and spent years sitting on her widening ass and planning new shops in her basement mall. A lack of any exercise can be as damaging to one's health as smoking. She is fat enough to play Nanny Fine's mother in a reboot these days.

R370 That movie is so campy and bad it's fun to watch.

R371, Does Barbra use tape on her face? She's 80 and her face and neck have the tautness of a 50 year old woman. Kudos to her plastic surgeon.

Two words, r382...hydraulic pulleys

[quote] Barbra is getting that lioness look women with too much work get.

That's it, R378. I saw that picture of Streisand and couldn't quite put my finger on whom or what her face reminded me of. You described it perfectly. It really does have the look, shape and form of a lioness. I think Streisand looks awful and has had too much surgery. Fonda is another one who looks like a freak show.

There's only one "Our Sally" and that's Gracie Fields! She's in our alley!

No, r385, there's only one Sally.

Did Sally ever play crazy, delusional Sally in Follies?

No, and she didn't play Sally Rogers either.

And she totally sucks at hostessing.

R389, can you imagine her in a foreign setting? She would embarrass the entire country by serving some frau shit like tuna casserole, congealed salad and fruit from a can at some state banquet.

Sally should play Karen Pence in the Trump movie.

Sally would be perfect as Mother Pence. She has the same frumpy, dumpy, sow frau look.

But Barbra is still going to play Mama Rose, even if her children will be 60 year olds.

1984 actually had a ton of classics. The summer movie season alone was an all-timer. Overall, the 80s were a rather weak decade for highbrow cinema (especially in north America) but a golden age for fun movies.