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Attention everyone, Just because you are vaccinated, it does not mean you are posing Zero threat from Covid (Part 2)

Let's look at Israel, which had 85% vaccinated with the GOOD vaccine:

""We are seeing a doubling every few days," Mr. Ash told public radio. "Another thing that's worrying is that the infections are spreading."

The requirement to wear masks had been the last remaining restriction after all other measures, imposed during lockdown earlier this year, had been gradually dropped.

Amid fears of a resurgence of the disease, the town of Binyamina in the north which registered the highest rate of cases in the country was designated a "red zone" on Wednesday - the first to be listed as such for months."

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by Let this be a warningreply 37516 hours ago

No more masks! I wont wear a mask anymore, the vaccines work! Get vaxxed! And STFU!

by Let this be a warningreply 106/25/2021

I mean Israel was vaxxed, but then it still broke through

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by Let this be a warningreply 206/25/2021

Ahem.|

[quote]It implemented the fastest vaccination programme, under which well over half the population of 9.3m has been partially or fully immunised.

Still leaving MILLIONS unvacinated or with just one versus two shots.

Someone needs to find a tin purse and shoes to match your hat.

by Let this be a warningreply 306/25/2021

[quote] And STFU!

But if we did that we would be able to discu—

Oh.

by Let this be a warningreply 406/25/2021

Que sera, sera

by Let this be a warningreply 506/25/2021

[quote]No more masks! I wont wear a mask anymore,

You must be one of those people that give store workers a bad time.

by Let this be a warningreply 606/25/2021

[quote]No more masks! I wont wear a mask anymore, the vaccines work! Get vaxxed! And STFU!

It's only a matter of time before a mutation thwarts the vaccines, for which there is already evidence. Stupid cunt.

by Let this be a warningreply 706/25/2021

There’s already evidence of a mutation that’s thwarted the vaccines?

by Let this be a warningreply 806/25/2021

R3 Anti-mask trolls must really hate America:

"Nearly a third of the new cases recorded in the past week have been found in vaccinated people, with many of the new infections being the delta variant."

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by Let this be a warningreply 906/25/2021

Don't be obtuse, R8.

by Let this be a warningreply 1006/25/2021

You MSNBC addicts are spinning this as you desire.

Some unlucky vaccinated will test positive - no one claimed a 100% immunity. Israel is freaking out over this. If anything, this will achieve herd immunity among the vaccine resistent without particularly straining health care facilities.

by Let this be a warningreply 1106/25/2021

In other words, there’s no evidence, r10.

by Let this be a warningreply 1206/25/2021

Exactly, r11. A positive test means little.

If they had said the hospitals are being overrun with patients who were vaccinated, or that over half the death toll were people who were vaccinated, we’d have something to talk about.

by Let this be a warningreply 1306/25/2021

Vaccines were meant to prevent people from dying if they caught Covid, not make people immune to the virus.

by Let this be a warningreply 1406/25/2021

Calm down

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by Let this be a warningreply 1506/25/2021

[quote] [R3] Anti-mask trolls must really hate America: "Nearly a third of the new cases recorded in the past week have been found in vaccinated people, with many of the new infections being the delta variant."

Wow, so FORTY (40) people, out of the 5.2 MILLION fully vaccinated people in Israel, experienced Delta breakthrough infections.

FORTY PEOPLE.

40. Not 40 thousand. Or 40 hundred. Or 4 hundred.

Out of the 5.2 MILLION fully vaccinated people, *forty* of them came down with Delta COVID.

Thank you for the link, R9. Very illuminating clickbait about this utter NON-issue.

by Let this be a warningreply 1606/25/2021

Yesterday local news was reporting that we're seeing a spike in cases from the new variant and several breakthrough cases of people who were vaccinated, one of whom is in the ICU. I've been lax about wearing masks for a couple of weeks and even went shopping to multiple stores the other day, but I'm going back to only necessary trips and masks in stores again.

by Let this be a warningreply 1706/25/2021

How can it be herd immunity if it is still there in the herd and doubling everyday? Also, even if you have a mild case, you are still at risk for long term Covid effects like brain fog and heart inflammation.

" As many of half of those new COVID-19 cases were among vaccinated people, Chezy Levy, the director-general of Israel's health ministry, said earlier this week.

However, the infections among vaccinated people were mostly mild. Vaccinations have been found to protect people against severe forms of COVID-19."

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by Let this be a warningreply 1806/25/2021

[quote]Wow, so FORTY (40) people, out of the 5.2 MILLION fully vaccinated people in Israel, experienced Delta breakthrough infections.

Israel is experiencing 100+ infections a day, so it's more than 40 people ... though, still small, in the scheme of things.

However, we still don't know if or what percentage of vaccinated people who become infected will experience long-term issues, as asymptomatic and mild cases in the unvaccinated can.

by Let this be a warningreply 1906/25/2021

Some of you need to get a breakthrough infection and die from it. Just put yourselves out of your misery and spare us this alarmist bullshit. Truly.

by Let this be a warningreply 2006/25/2021

Anyone who thinks the pandemic is even close to being over is a complete fucking moron. Probably the same people who, in March 2020, thought the virus would magically not spread.

by Let this be a warningreply 2106/25/2021

Panic merchants rejoice!

by Let this be a warningreply 2206/25/2021

Epsilon.

by Let this be a warningreply 2306/25/2021

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated.

Goodbye deplorables, Magats and anti-vaxers

by Let this be a warningreply 2406/25/2021

^^^ and paranoid black people

by Let this be a warningreply 2506/25/2021

[quote] Anyone who thinks the pandemic is even close to being over is a complete fucking moron.

Yasss kween

by Let this be a warningreply 2606/25/2021

For now, r15.

For now.

by Let this be a warningreply 2706/25/2021

[quote]^^^ and paranoid black people

rACisT! 🥴

by Let this be a warningreply 2806/25/2021

[quote]Yasss kwee

Yaaas kween is right, kween!

by Let this be a warningreply 2906/25/2021

The CDC says about 600 fully vaccinated Americans have died of Covid-19. At least 750 have died with Covid, but 142 of them were asymptomatic or unrelated to the virus.

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by Let this be a warningreply 3006/25/2021

[quote] Israel is experiencing 100+ infections a day, so it's more than 40 people

Of vaccinated people?

by Let this be a warningreply 3106/25/2021

[quote] The CDC says about 600 fully vaccinated Americans have died of Covid-19. At least 750 have died with Covid, but 142 of them were asymptomatic or unrelated to the virus.

Uh, something is wrong here. How can 600 die yet [bold]750[/bold] have died of COVID?

by Let this be a warningreply 3206/25/2021

750 have died [italic]with[/italic] Covid, 600 have died [italic]of[/italic] Covid.

by Let this be a warningreply 3306/25/2021

[quote]Israel is experiencing 100+ infections a day, so it's more than 40 people

[quote]Of vaccinated people?

100+ infections a day, 50% of them in vaccinated people.

by Let this be a warningreply 3406/25/2021

The guy screaming about "only 40 people" was apparently taking the figures for one day (which was 83 a day ago, per Reuters) and halving it, since Israel says up to 50% of new infections are in vaccinated people.

Today it's already up to an average of 124 new infections per day, meaning it could be as many as 62 vaccinated people per day have it. That's those who have it and were symptomatic enough to be tested, probably, so the number is likely much larger.

The "only 40 people" thing was completely wrong. Probably on purpose.

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by Let this be a warningreply 3506/25/2021

The World Health Organization on Friday urged fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks, social distance and practice other Covid-19 pandemic safety measures as the highly contagious delta variant spreads rapidly across the globe.

“People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves,” Dr. Mariangela Simao, WHO assistant-director general for access to medicines and health products, said during a press briefing from the agency’s Geneva headquarters.

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by Let this be a warningreply 3606/25/2021

If you keep telling people that vaccinations don't make a difference, then more and more people will say, "Fuck it. What's the point of getting this vaccine?"

by Let this be a warningreply 3706/25/2021

R37 I am not telling you a vaccine doesn't make a difference, I am telling you that you need to keep that mask on, jabbed or not.

by Let this be a warningreply 3806/25/2021

Suck my asshole, R38.

by Let this be a warningreply 3906/25/2021

[quite]Just because you are vaccinated, it does not mean you are posing Zero threat from Covid

Yes, yes, continue to pin the blame on those who *have* been vaccinated, for weeks, for months, for years, for decades maybe. Everything is the fault of those who have done right, not those who's chose and chose again not to do.

by Let this be a warningreply 4006/25/2021

R40 I am not blaming you all, I am telling you getting the vaccine is not a permission to ditch the mask and social distancing.

by Let this be a warningreply 4106/25/2021

R40 you do realize there's people that can't be vaccinated -- including ALL children under 12? Don't be such an asshole.

by Let this be a warningreply 4206/25/2021

[quote] [R40] I am not blaming you all, I am telling you getting the vaccine is not a permission to ditch the mask and social distancing.

Yes it is, in the U.S. According to the CDC and our President.

[quote] [R40] you do realize there's people that can't be vaccinated -- including ALL children under 12? Don't be such an asshole.

Vaccinated people do not pose a threat to unvaccinated people. How many times do you need to hear this before it sinks in? Freak.

by Let this be a warningreply 4306/25/2021

Don’t bother, R43. OP is a certified nut case who was worried that what he called “whore-cations in Puerto Vallarta” would lead to airborne COVID-syphilis hybrid, going by his posts from his first disinformation thread.

Add in the fact that most of his posts seem like they ran a few laps through Google translate before finding their way onto DL, and we have more than enough reason to not just ignore him, but to FF him into oblivion.

by Let this be a warningreply 4406/25/2021

[quote]I am not blaming you all, I am telling you getting the vaccine is not a permission to ditch the mask and social distancing.

We're not asking permission. We're outside, we're inside, we're everywhere and we're not wearing masks anymore. Stay inside and hide, OP.

Deal with it or don't, no one cares.

by Let this be a warningreply 4506/25/2021

R38 is right. R39 needs to find a convenient grease fire.

by Let this be a warningreply 4606/25/2021

Fuck you, freak @ R46. There are more of me than there are of you and R38. We’re looking at the rates of infection going way, way down—and hospitalizations and deaths even further down—and listening to the CDC and the Biden Admin, and there is no reason to continue to mask after vaccination.

Fuck you, fuck the Delta variant, fuck the unvaccinated, fuck the vulnerable who apparently never learned how to take care of themselves pre-COVID and now expect *the rest of society* to live in the plastic bubble instead of them. Give me a break.

by Let this be a warningreply 4706/25/2021

Did some of you just buy stock in one of the mask companies or something? You're gonna have to accept that masks aren't coming back.

by Let this be a warningreply 4806/25/2021

R46 Thank you for being the few reasonable life boats among this sea of anti-mask Russkie trolls. You are tight.

R48, R47 It is SOOO interesting that y'all are active in what is essentially morning hour in Russia. Keep working for those rubles, hon.

by Let this be a warningreply 4906/25/2021

It’s 12:52am here in Brooklyn, weirdo @ R49.

What the fuck do the Russians have to do with this? We’re PRO-vaccine. We WANT black people and Deplorables to get vaccinated. We WANT people to follow the science and our public health experts. Why don’t you? You just want people to wear a mask and socially distance forever. Maybe YOU are a Russian troll hoping to tank the US economy by convincing us to stay home?

by Let this be a warningreply 5006/25/2021

More from the OP, from other threads.

[quote]If I was to engage in some unholy dalliances with a taken man, I would have kept it to the grave! Yet, DLers proudly spin the yarns on this uncomfortable topic, often in full gory details. It is so hard when you are here for tasteful friends, but the unpleasantness just keep showing up. Anyone feel the same?

by Let this be a warningreply 5106/25/2021

Oh, interesting. Your rhetoric has been totally anti-mask R50, and is totally in line with Putin, but you are somehow not a troll? Ok, Sure, Jan. By trolling this thread, You already KNOW Israel, which had 85% jabbed, still struggled with Covid among vaccinated ppl. I guess it is DEATH TO AMERICA at all cost for you then.

Honestly, we need to look at Israel very closely, because it is a window to what will it be like even after reaching herd immunity:

"As Israel faces a surge in cases driven by the Delta variant, its health officials suggested that as many as half of new cases were among people who'd been vaccinated."

"We are seeing a doubling every few days," Mr Ash told public radio. "Another thing that's worrying is that the infections are spreading.""

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by Let this be a warningreply 5206/25/2021

Attention, attention. This is Miss Schuster. Please listen very carefully.

The Delta variant is headed this way. Close off whatever area you may be in at this moment!

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by Let this be a warningreply 5306/25/2021

[quote]that as many as half of new cases were among people who'd been vaccinated.

So? At no time did anyone say that the vaccinated wouldn't be able to get Covid. The vaccine is doing everything that it is supposed to be doing. It is working as promised. It is so counterproductive that we have people who, instead of celebrating the successes of the vaccine and trying to encourage more people to get it, are just focusing on variants and doom and gloom scenarios.

by Let this be a warningreply 5406/25/2021

[quote]that as many as half of new cases were among people who'd been vaccinated.

[quote]So? At no time did anyone say that the vaccinated wouldn't be able to get Covid.

No, but given what we have been told about the vaccines, such a large relative number of infections in Israel's vaccinated is surprising. And again, we do not know if the vaccine will protect against the long-haul symptoms that debilitate 10-30% of the asymptomatic unvaccinated.

by Let this be a warningreply 5506/26/2021

Fun fact: Covid eats the brain in asymptotic and symptomatic.

The kids who have been exposed will have issues 20 years from now.

Thanks to the deplorables and their orange clown-god.

by Let this be a warningreply 5606/26/2021

This is why I continue to wear my mask when shopping and crowded indoor places. I am fully vaxxed but still feel comfortable with my mask on. I will wear my mask every winter. I am tired of getting sick. Feels good to be sick less these days.

by Let this be a warningreply 5706/26/2021

And you think that was exclusively the mask, and not the fact that all but essential businesses were closed, no one was around, and everyone stayed far away from each other?

by Let this be a warningreply 5806/26/2021

[quote] not those who's chose and chose again not to do.

Oh, DEAR!

by Let this be a warningreply 5906/26/2021

Israel had a super-spreader event with the Delta variant in a town that broke out in a school, where a family with most likely unvaccinated kids had gone on holiday to nearby Cyprus, which you can enter with just one vaccine dose and measures are fairly loose.

Super-spreader events tend to be really potent and that's why fully vaccinated people were infected with this variant.

But, unlike in the UK, in Israel the Delta infections in the fully vaccinated are mostly in clusters and do not lead to hospitalisation or death. Because in the UK, where infections are rising rapidly and there have been 50 deaths in the fully vaccinated, they mostly used AstraZeneca.

Whatever you've been vaccinated with, keep taking precautionary measures.

by Let this be a warningreply 6006/26/2021

Wear a mask and stay safe!

by Let this be a warningreply 6106/26/2021

[quote] I am fully vaxxed [bold]but still feel comfortable[/bold] with my mask on.

I have no problem with this if it’s your comfort level. None at all, you do what makes you feel comfortable. Just don’t pretend there’s any science whatsoever that supports it.

by Let this be a warningreply 6206/26/2021

[quote]I have no problem with this if it’s your comfort level. None at all, you do what makes you feel comfortable. Just don’t pretend there’s any science whatsoever that supports it.

The global agency responsible for international health, which has hundreds of scientists and epidemiologists on its staff, supports it.

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by Let this be a warningreply 6306/26/2021

It's not about your personal safety. Everything seems to go straight to "me" in US culture.

The main concern if vaccinated people are still getting infected is not with what happens to them (almost certainly very little unless they're already frail), it's with how freely they can pass the infection on to the unvaccinated. That is bad for YOU because the more people who get infected, the more likely it is to mutate to something even worse. This has been glaringly obvious as the pandemic has developed. If it mutates to something worse, your level of protection is reduced: maybe obliterated depending on the mutation.

It appears neither Pfizer (Moderna uses the same technology) nor Astra Zeneca (which uses similar tech to J&J) is as effective against the Delta variant as it is against previous strains. Astra Zeneca is probably only 60% effective against Delta infection, Pfizer 80% or higher. Much less for both if you've only had one shot. Both seem to be pretty good at insuring against hospitalisation and death, though according to these stories not 100%.

But nobody yet knows the impact being vaccinated has on your ability to transmit the disease if you do pick it up. You might be as dangerous in that regard as an unvaccinated person.

by Let this be a warningreply 6406/26/2021

"Let's look at Israel, which had 85% vaccinated" - this is not true, OP. Israel has fully (i.e. two doses) vaccinated 55% of its population. Where the heck do you get this 85% figure from? Even those with just one dose are only 59% of the population.

The number of new daily cases in Israel is tiny in comparison to the UK, which has a similar number of people fully vaccinated, taking account for different population sizes. Yes, we should be vigilant, continue with measures, etc. but we should also understand that there are significant differences in vaccine effectiveness. AstraZeneca - mostly used in the UK - is not the same as Pfizer.

by Let this be a warningreply 6506/26/2021

R62 if you seen how ugly I am, you would be thanking me for keeping my mask on.

by Let this be a warningreply 6606/26/2021

Trump and his Girl Friday, Jared, fucked this all up. But they're gone now, we actually have adults in charge these days. Those of you who keep harping on Trump and deplorables are just keeping this political shit going because of your PTSD. Maybe instead of a mask, talking to an analyst about your trauma may be the best medicine for you.

by Let this be a warningreply 6706/26/2021

You'd be surprised who I'd find attractive, R66. Not every gay guy is so picky.

by Let this be a warningreply 6806/26/2021

R68 slide into my DMs maybe we can exchange pics.

by Let this be a warningreply 6906/26/2021

The Delta variant was detected in a fully vaccinated individual the county adjacent to me, the first case on this side of the state.

The county's health department today said that "vaccinated people may want to consider wearing masks out of an abundance of caution."

by Let this be a warningreply 7006/26/2021

Is he ill? Is he hospitalized? Is he dead?

by Let this be a warningreply 7106/26/2021

[quote]Is he ill? Is he hospitalized? Is he dead?

No details, but I imagine he or she was symptomatic or wouldn't have gotten tested.

by Let this be a warningreply 7206/26/2021

Not sure where you are, but here in the States, that’s not an accurate assumption.

In my state there are many mandatory tests for a lot of professions such as teachers, barbers, nurses, ambulance workers, etc.

by Let this be a warningreply 7306/26/2021

[quote] The main concern if vaccinated people are still getting infected is not with what happens to them (almost certainly very little unless they're already frail), it's with how freely they can pass the infection on to the unvaccinated.

Vaccinated people broadly speaking do not transmit the virus. That’s why the CDC amended their mask mandate, saying vaccinated people do not need to mask.

Stop pretending that WE JUST DON’T KNOW this stuff.

by Let this be a warningreply 7406/26/2021

Also WHO THE FUCK CARES if vaccinated people spread it to UNvaccinated people.

by Let this be a warningreply 7506/26/2021

Like kids?

by Let this be a warningreply 7606/26/2021

Yes, like kids.

by Let this be a warningreply 7706/26/2021

R74 Yeah, you basically invalidated your statement when you use the word "broadly speaking", that just means you admitted that vaxxed people can still spread it. Anti-mask trolls are so exhausting.

by Let this be a warningreply 7806/26/2021

Forever-mask trolls who don’t trust the vaccine, don’t trust the CDC or Biden or Fauci, and don’t understand relative risk or statistics, are who’s fucking exhausting, R78.

by Let this be a warningreply 7906/26/2021

Forever-masked, I want to love forever-masked!

by Let this be a warningreply 8006/26/2021

*live

by Let this be a warningreply 8106/26/2021
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by Let this be a warningreply 8206/26/2021

When I'm out amongst the great unwashed I mask.

by Let this be a warningreply 8306/26/2021

[quote]Also WHO THE FUCK CARES if vaccinated people spread it to UNvaccinated people.

R75, see R64:

[quote]The main concern if vaccinated people are still getting infected is not with what happens to them (almost certainly very little unless they're already frail), it's with how freely they can pass the infection on to the unvaccinated. That is bad for YOU because [bold]the more people who get infected, the more likely it is to mutate to something even worse[/bold]. This has been glaringly obvious as the pandemic has developed. [bold]If it mutates to something worse, your level of protection is reduced: maybe obliterated depending on the mutation[/bold].

If it's still difficult for you to understand, ask anyone who finished middle school to decipher it for you, R75.

by Let this be a warningreply 8406/26/2021

^^ class clown.

by Let this be a warningreply 8506/26/2021

Kids and teens are vectors. This isn't going away until kids and teens have all had the vaccine or, unvaccinated, have reached heard immunity in their age cohort.

by Let this be a warningreply 8606/26/2021

Still don’t care, R84.

[quote] The main concern if vaccinated people are still getting infected is not with what happens to them (almost certainly very little unless they're already frail), it's with how freely they can pass the infection on to the unvaccinated.

Exactly how “freely” DO vaccinated people pass on their (already incredibly rare) breakthrough infection to the unvaccinated? Do you know?

by Let this be a warningreply 8706/26/2021

Vaccinated pozzes result in a mild, weaker case. Essentially, it's the non's among themselves that's the issue.

by Let this be a warningreply 8806/26/2021

Yes but the word “essentially” in your reply gives away the game, R88 —

by Let this be a warningreply 8906/26/2021

[quote]Exactly how “freely” DO vaccinated people pass on their (already incredibly rare) breakthrough infection to the unvaccinated?

You have an interesting conception of “incredibly rare.”

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by Let this be a warningreply 9006/27/2021

[quote]fuck the vulnerable

Tells you all you need to know about the new form of anti-masker. Trump fuckers and ignorant vaccinated people who don't care about anything beyond getting to do what they want RIGHT NOW can join together in a confederacy of the intentionally obtuse.. The Trump fuckers didn't care about infecting other from the beginning and now the ignorati contingent of the vaccinated have joined them.

by Let this be a warningreply 9106/27/2021

Keep in mind the vaccines are not 100% effective cult and the anti-vaxxer cult are cut from the same in-denial of science cloth.

by Let this be a warningreply 9206/27/2021

In the United States, anyone who wants to get vaccinated can get vaccinated. There’s a surplus of shots, no restrictions, and plenty of locations.

If you’re not vaccinated and get sick, it’s entirely your fault.

And people are suggesting the rest of us should wear masks to protect those idiots?

by Let this be a warningreply 9306/27/2021

R91. Preach

by Let this be a warningreply 9406/27/2021

Agreed, R93

Without going back to lockdown/stricter mask mandates, herd immunity via un-vax exposure is the way to end this. At this point, given the four week waiting period, it's almost too late if the gloomier Delta predictions come to pass.

by Let this be a warningreply 9506/27/2021
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by Let this be a warningreply 9606/27/2021

^^Again, affects unvaccinated people, not those who did the right thing, listened to our president and got vaccinated.

by Let this be a warningreply 9706/27/2021

There are still effective treatments, though the need is not substantial (I didn't say non-existent).

by Let this be a warningreply 9806/27/2021

R92, that's utter bullshit. We know according to the science that the Covid-19 vaccines are pretty good, but they aren't 100% effective.

by Let this be a warningreply 9906/27/2021

[quote] [R92], that's utter bullshit. We know according to the science that the Covid-19 vaccines are pretty good, but they aren't 100% effective.

No one, but no one, said they’re 100% effective.

R92’s point was that those who keep harping on it still don’t understand the science. Or the data, more specifically.

[quote] The Trump fuckers didn't care about infecting other from the beginning and now the ignorati contingent of the vaccinated have joined them.

Please tell me what exactly I’m ignorant of here. What fact am I not understanding? Why does every fully vaccinated person need to wear a mask?

by Let this be a warningreply 10006/27/2021

[quote] No one, but no one, said they’re 100% effective.

[quote] Keep in mind the vaccines are not 100% effective cult and the anti-vaxxer cult are cut from the same in-denial of science cloth.

So if you follow the science that says that vaccines are not 100% effective you're in a cult just like that anti-vaxxers. Is that you saying that? Because that's what I responded it. It's utter bullshit, like I said.

by Let this be a warningreply 10106/27/2021

That wasn’t me who said that, but I understood what that poster meant.

There is definitely a shared denial-of-science + innumeracy between the two camps.

by Let this be a warningreply 10206/27/2021

Another thing the two ends of the spectrum have in common is that neither side currently believes what the CDC, Biden, and public health experts are saying.

by Let this be a warningreply 10306/27/2021

[quote] There is definitely a shared denial-of-science + innumeracy between the two camps.

Maybe so, but at least we know how to do math!

by Let this be a warningreply 10406/27/2021

Nah, it's 100% bullshit trying to link two diametrically opposed groups together to support a flawed stance.

by Let this be a warningreply 10506/27/2021

What’s the flaw in the stance, R105?

by Let this be a warningreply 10606/27/2021

My personal rule as someone who's vaccinated: mask indoors, always. Mask outdoors, never.

by Let this be a warningreply 10706/27/2021

R106 The CDC and WHO both recommend wearing masks and social distancing even if vaccinated due to the Delta variant.

by Let this be a warningreply 10806/27/2021

The CDC absolutely does NOT recommend mask wearing for the vaccinated.

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by Let this be a warningreply 10906/27/2021

You're right, my bad. From the article I read I thought it was both, but it's just the WHO. I still say lumping those still wearing masks out of concern for others, and anti-vaxxers together is bullshit.

by Let this be a warningreply 11006/27/2021

No more masks bitches, follow the science, get vaccinated.

by Let this be a warningreply 11106/27/2021

The science in Israel?

by Let this be a warningreply 11206/27/2021

Move there if you like their current policies so much, R112.

by Let this be a warningreply 11306/27/2021

I live in Sarasota but the county above me (Manatee County) there were 6 town hall employees who were exposed to COVID. The one person who did not contract the virus was vaccinated; the remainder got COVID and I think 2 or 3 of them died. Idiots-- get the vaccine!!

by Let this be a warningreply 11406/27/2021

From CNN today, stop being wankers and follow the science you bunch of chicken little queens. You eat ass anyway.

To be sure, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said there's a low chance people who are fully vaccinated may get infected with virus variants.

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by Let this be a warningreply 11506/27/2021

[quote] My personal rule as someone who's vaccinated: mask indoors, always. Mask outdoors, never.

Until Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow say otherwise!

by Let this be a warningreply 11606/27/2021

[quote]The CDC absolutely does NOT recommend mask wearing for the vaccinated.

Correct. The WHO does and Israel does. If Delta takes off here like it has in the UK, I would not be at all surprised if the CDC changes its tune -- or, at least, says something like, "Vaccinated individuals may want to wear masks and socially distance out of an abundance of caution." The CDC has reversed its recommendations on mask wearing before, no reason they can't do it again.

by Let this be a warningreply 11706/27/2021

[quote]Please tell me what exactly I’m ignorant of here. What fact am I not understanding? Why does every fully vaccinated person need to wear a mask?

Because you can still carry the virus and not everyone can get vaccinated. My asshole brother refuses to let his teenaged children get the vaccine because he's a Trumpfucker. They have jobs with the public. If you wear a mask, you'll protect them if you are a carrier.

Because the Delta variant is running rampant through the world and will soon be dominant in the US. It is much more transmissable and is able to evade the vaccines to the tune of about a 10-15% drop in efficacy.

Because even if you are infected and do not show symptoms or have a very light case, you still become a host for mutations to occur.

Because the way they will know that there is a new variant that the vaccines do not work against is by the number of hospitalized and dead vaccinated people.

Because we haven't reached herd immunity and half the country is filled with fucking morons who will not get vaccinated making the likelihood of a vaccine evading mutation the US high enough to be concerned.

Because it takes zero effort to wear a mask when inside with other people unless you have the impulse control and selfishness of a toddler.

by Let this be a warningreply 11806/27/2021

^^ OLE !

by Let this be a warningreply 11906/27/2021

[quote] Because you can still carry the virus

Gonna need a citation for this one.

[quote] Because even if you are infected and do not show symptoms or have a very light case, you still become a host for mutations to occur.

…and this one…

[quote] It is much more transmissable and is able to evade the vaccines to the tune of about a 10-15% drop in efficacy.

…and this is just wrong. It’s a 5-6% drop in efficacy for preventing symptomatic infection, in Pfizer and AZ vaccines respectively.

Worrying about transmitting the virus as a fully vaccinated person makes about as much sense as worrying that you’ll get struck by lightning. You’re just looking for something to worry about and scold others over. Normal people have gotten the vaccine and are going on with their lives. If the notoriously conservative CDC decides vaccinated Americans need to start masking again, they’ll let us know when that happens. Hard to imagine it ever will.

by Let this be a warningreply 12006/27/2021

"My asshole brother refuses to let his teenaged children get the vaccine because he's a Trumpfucker. They have jobs with the public. If you wear a mask, you'll protect them if you are a carrier."

And why should I care more about your brother's kids than he does?

by Let this be a warningreply 12106/27/2021

[quote]You’re just looking for something to worry about and scold others over.

Exactly.

by Let this be a warningreply 12206/27/2021

If you wear a mask, you'll protect them if you are a carrier.

I don't give a fuck if your entitled relations get the virus, that would be their fault not mine, get the fucking vaccine or STFU, god I hate people.

by Let this be a warningreply 12306/27/2021

You still need to be careful even if you have been fully vaccinated with a highly effective vaccine because some of these variants can break through the vaccine.

by Let this be a warningreply 12406/27/2021

OP: You are a fucking sadist…….

by Let this be a warningreply 12506/27/2021

R124 stands a better chance at a sizeable lottery won than double vax infection. But, if Rachel says so...

by Let this be a warningreply 12606/27/2021

So are we going to be wearing masks again this fall/winter?

by Let this be a warningreply 12706/27/2021

I see very few wearing masks where I live. I will continue wearing mine.

by Let this be a warningreply 12806/27/2021

Not really r126, there have been a number of cases of infection with the Delta variant in people who have been double vaccinated with Pfizer in Israel. There are very many cases of infection with the Delta variant in people who have been double vaccinated with the less effective AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, even around 50 deaths so far.

by Let this be a warningreply 12906/27/2021

That’s been posted repeatedly, R129, and he chooses not to address it, so It seems he’s just trolling.

by Let this be a warningreply 13006/27/2021

This thread is madness. No, we are not going back to mandatory masks or social distancing. I am assuming that once the FDA officially approves the vaccine (beyond emergency use) it will be mandated by local health officials, at least in blue states. If not by local health officials, then employers and retail will require it for employment or to just enter their businesses.

No one will stop individuals from wearing masks in public, if they so choose.

by Let this be a warningreply 13106/27/2021

Why hasn't the FDA given full approval yet? It would allow schools to require it. It will allow the military to order all members be vaccinated. From what I've read, it's a six month approval time vs. the two month emergency approval and they look at the same data used for the emergency approval. The real world effectiveness and safety has been proven beyond a doubt with hundreds of millions of doses of Pfizer and Moderna administered around the world. They need to move it along.

And, to the assholes wondering why they should possibly care about my teenage relatives who have begged their idiotic parents to allow them to get the vaccine, the reason is that they are fucking human beings who, through no fault of their own, cannot get vaccinated. You know, like children under 12 and people with allergies and the immunocompromised. You are as awful as the Trump fuckers who refused to wear a mask this whole time. Worse, maybe, because you are supposed to be smarter than those stupid fucks. There is no reason at all that you can't wear a mask indoors when around other people except absolute selfishness.

by Let this be a warningreply 13206/27/2021

[quote]There is no reason at all that you can't wear a mask indoors when around other people except absolute selfishness.

I'm not the person you're responding to, but there is a reason why I won't wear a mask indoors. Because I followed the rules and did what I was supposed to do. I trusted the science. I masked and social distanced when I was supposed to. I got vaccinated. And now I'm still trusting the science that says I no longer have to mask up or social distance.

I did the responsible thing. I don't give two fucks about your Trumper brother and his children. Sorry, not sorry.

by Let this be a warningreply 13306/27/2021

R133 pre-vaccination: “Those horrible people who won’t wear masks! Don’t they understand we’re all in this together?”

R133 post-vaccination: “I got mine, screw the kids!”

by Let this be a warningreply 13406/27/2021

Exactly, R134. You'd think they'd be smart enough to realize they are parrotting the Trumpfucker's shit from the entire last year and a half. "Doesn't effect me, so, fuck off! I'll do what I wanna do!" Straight out of the Trumper playbook.

by Let this be a warningreply 13506/27/2021

[quote]“I got mine, screw the kids!”

If the father doesn't care about his own kids, then why should I?

by Let this be a warningreply 13606/27/2021

Because they’re human beings?

by Let this be a warningreply 13706/27/2021

For all you OCD loons that insist we're all doomed if we don't wear masks, please read this article by 2 doctors from Columbia University about the effectiveness of vaccines against variants. Of course it is based on science so you may not quite get it.

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by Let this be a warningreply 13806/27/2021

Oh fank you. Paywalled.

by Let this be a warningreply 13906/27/2021

Ugly mouth breathers refused to mask up and will not observe social distancing measures. Ugly, inside and out.

by Let this be a warningreply 14006/27/2021

People who think vaccinated people need to be worried about the Delta variant and continue to wear masks indoors are not wiser than anyone else, they’re just scientifically illiterate and innumerate.

1) Breakthrough infections are incredibly rare. No, vaccinated people who experience one do not have enough of the virus to transmit it to anyone. Further, a positive PCR test is likely just picking up dead virus fragments in the nose. It is not a sign of symptomatic illness (or asymptomatic illness) that can be spread to someone else. The test is very sensitive.

2) the Delta variant is more transmissible but that is really only cause for concern for unvaccinated people and those for whom the vaccine is more likely to fail to trigger an immune response. Fully vaccinated people who will experience a breakthrough infection — again, still an incredibly rare event — that is transmissible, are going to be catching the Delta variant more and more because that is what is spreading more and more. It doesn’t mean we’re going to see alarming or skyrocketing rates of symptomatic infection, hospitalization, or deaths among fully vaccinated people. If THAT happens, we’ll hear about it, and public health policy in the US will likely change to reflect it. But it is still highly unlikely because infections in *vaccinated* people are so incredibly unlikely (yes, even where the Delta variant is concerned), and transmitting that variant to at risk people is even less likely.

[quote] there have been a number of cases of infection with the Delta variant in people who have been double vaccinated with Pfizer in Israel.

“A number” — how many? What type of tests did they use? Were they symptomatic?

[quote]There are very many cases of infection with the Delta variant in people who have been double vaccinated with the less effective AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, even around 50 deaths so far.

How many? Even 50 deaths from COVID in fully (not “double”) vaccinated people is not unexpected or out of line with the efficacy rate. Were those full vaccinated deaths in elderly people or people with other risk factors?

You can’t just cite cases and not be specific about these things; it’s essentially just noise.

by Let this be a warningreply 14106/27/2021

[quote] No, vaccinated people who experience one do not have enough of the virus to transmit it to anyone

This was supposed to say “generally do not have enough of the virus to transmit.” There are a handful of instances of transmission, out of hundreds of millions of full vaccinations.

by Let this be a warningreply 14206/27/2021

No more masks you silly cunts!

by Let this be a warningreply 14306/27/2021

[quote]It doesn’t mean we’re going to see alarming or skyrocketing rates of symptomatic infection, hospitalization, or deaths among fully vaccinated people. If THAT happens, we’ll hear about it, and public health policy in the US will likely change to reflect it.

How many fully vaccinated will have to be hospitalized or dead before they identify that variant? Are you willing to be one of them?

And, even though transmissability is of a low likelihood from a fully vaccinated person, how many immunocompromised people or children are you okay with infecting instead of doing something as simple as wearing a mask inside when you are around people until community spread has stopped?

You are using the same exact arguments that Trumpers have used the entire time. "The chances are so small! Why worry?" "You do what you want, but I'm not wearing a mask!" "There's only a tiny chance of getting really sick or dying so I'm not changing my life!" The exact same arguments with the exact same excuses due to the exact same selfishness. Yeah, you might only help kill one person. Oh well, it's just one person.

There is literally no unselfish reason to not wear a mask indoors around other people.

by Let this be a warningreply 14406/27/2021

Then for the love of all that's holy, wear a mask then R144. No one is stopping you.

by Let this be a warningreply 14506/27/2021

A MailOnline headline on 13 June read: “Study shows 29% of the 42 people who have died after catching the new strain had BOTH vaccinations.” In Public Health England’s technical briefing on 25 June, that figure had risen to 43% (50 of 117), with the majority (60%) having received at least one dose.

It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying in England with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it, it’s what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine, a risk profile that varies hugely by age and the way the vaccines have been rolled out.

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by Let this be a warningreply 14606/27/2021

R145, as I've stated earlier in this thread, I have young family members whose asshole parents aren't letting them get vaccinated. I've been fully vaxxed for months. We still wear masks at work because unvaccinated children are there. Explain how you are different from the Trumpers by saying what you just said.

The mask, as always, protects other people to a greater extent than it protects you. Because you can't know if you are a risk to those other people who can't get vaccinated for whatever reason, you are being selfish just like the Trumpers during this entire last year. There is no reason to not wear a mask inside with other people around other than "I don't wanna and you can't make me!". We will eventually reach a place where there is no community spread but we are not there yet. You've become what you hate. Congrats.

by Let this be a warningreply 14706/27/2021

Could r141 be more tiresome?

by Let this be a warningreply 14806/27/2021
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by Let this be a warningreply 14906/27/2021

[quote] How many fully vaccinated will have to be hospitalized or dead before they identify that variant? Are you willing to be one of them?

I’m certainly willing to take my chances, yes.

[quote] Could [R141] be more tiresome?

Try me. Which point did I get wrong?

by Let this be a warningreply 15006/27/2021

[quote] Because you can't know if you are a risk to those other people who can't get vaccinated for whatever reason

Can’t know? Says who? Certainly not the CDC. Gonna need a citation on this.

You can’t know that you won’t fall asleep at the wheel of your car, or have a heart attack while driving and veer into oncoming traffic and kill a person. Does that mean you’re never going to get behind the wheel of a car? You really shouldn’t. There’s no unselfish reason why you can’t give up driving forever to possibly save at least one life.

by Let this be a warningreply 15106/27/2021

If they’re going to make me wear a mask at least bribe me with halvah and a beer first! Help a brother out…

by Let this be a warningreply 15206/27/2021

"You can’t just cite cases and not be specific about these things" - That's the problem r141, we're not being told who these fully vaccinated people who died of the Delta variant are other than that they were over 50. Sure, you can dismiss that and say they were elderly or whatever. But the fact in the UK that we aren't being given a fuller breakdown of who these people are or how many fully vaccinated people have been infected while at the same time the government starts to panic is what worries me. I have no doubt that the vast majority of them, if not all, had the AstraZeneca vaccine.

There were over 200 cases of the Delta variant in fully vaccinated people in Israel, where Pfizer has almost exclusively been used (the other vaccine being Moderna). They were linked to a super-spreader event caused by a family who had returned from Cyprus. But it just shows how rapidly that variant can spread and jump from country to country and it does break through the vaccine.

The AstraZeneca vaccine clearly has a problem with the Delta variant. Perhaps because you're in the US where AstraZeneca is not being used, that doesn't bother you. But there is clearly a problem here.

by Let this be a warningreply 15306/27/2021

[quote] There were over 200 cases of the Delta variant in fully vaccinated people in Israel, where Pfizer has almost exclusively been used (the other vaccine being Moderna).

They do PCR testing, which can pick up traces of dead virus in the nose. It means they came into contact with it and the immune system quickly killed it. (See also: the NY Yankees, who’d had the J&J vaccine; only one of the Yankees was even symptomatic). That’s not at all the same as having a symptomatic illness and spreading it, or getting long COVID from it, etc.

by Let this be a warningreply 15406/27/2021

Then why fucking bother?

by Let this be a warningreply 15506/27/2021

I never said it was the same as long Covid or infecting others r154, but the Israelis found it serious enough to reintroduce the mask mandate indoors.

I'm also more worried about the AstraZeneca vaccine.

by Let this be a warningreply 15606/27/2021

R151, your hyperbole just proves my point. Putting a mask on when you are indoors with other people is next to zero effort but could save someone's life. Like I said, absolutely immature and selfish...just like the Trumpers you hate.

I also love all the pretzels and tantrums now being thrown as more and more vaccinated people get infected with Delta. The so-called science-based people are now making up stories that they aren't really infected, you see, it's all just dead virus. All of it. No scientific basis for that conclusion. I guess the ones that died must have just choked on dead virus particles.

The indoor mask mandates will be back in place in many states and federally by the end of August. We've always been about a month or so behind the UK and Israel and the Delta variant is expected to completely take over in the US in the next month. Wait until you see the explosion when schools go back to full capacity in August. I feel sorry for the medical workers, especially in the red states. Here comes the next wave.

by Let this be a warningreply 15706/27/2021

UGh, ANTI-MASK TROLL is sooo toxic. His rhetoric are basically: you die not my fault, no one cares about Trumper's kids. It speaks volume about who he is.

by Let this be a warningreply 15806/27/2021

[quote]The AstraZeneca vaccine clearly has a problem with the Delta variant. Perhaps because you're in the US where AstraZeneca is not being used, that doesn't bother you. But there is clearly a problem here.

The AZ vaccine clearly struggles with the Delta variant -- one UK study found just 60% efficacy after two doses, compared to 79% efficacy after two doses with Pfizer. There are similar concerns about the J&J vaccine in the U.S.:

"Infectious disease experts are weighing the need for booster shots of mRNA-based vaccines for Americans who received Johnson & Johnson's one-dose vaccine due to the increasing prevalence of the more contagious Delta coronavirus variant.

A few say they have already done so themselves, even without published data on whether combining two different vaccines is safe and effective or backing from U.S. health regulators. Canada and some European countries are already allowing people to get two different COVID-19 shots.

The CDC is not recommending boosters, and advisors to the agency said at a public meeting this week there is not yet significant evidence of declining protection from the vaccines.

Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a researcher at the University of Saskatchewan's Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization, said on Twitter she had gotten a dose of Pfizer's vaccine this week after receiving J&J's in April.

Rasmussen, who declined to be interviewed, encouraged Americans who received the J&J vaccine to talk to their doctors about a possible second shot."

The above is from Reuters, which apparently can't be linked here.

by Let this be a warningreply 15906/28/2021

[quote] they are parrotting the Trumpfucker's shit from the entire last year and a half. "Doesn't effect me, so, fuck off! I'll do what I wanna do!" Straight out of the Trumper playbook.

What a ridiculous and specious argument.

At a time when all public health authorities, including Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, and the CDC were imploring—begging—people to wear masks, those idiots didn’t, in direct contradiction of science as well as guidelines put in place.

Now, ALL of those very same people, including our president, are saying you do not need to wear a mask if you’ve been vaccinated because science, so we are following the guidelines and you want to compare that to trumpets?

by Let this be a warningreply 16006/28/2021

From today's NYT:

"The vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna set off a persistent immune reaction in the body that may protect against the coronavirus for years, scientists reported on Monday. The findings add to growing evidence that most people immunized with the mRNA vaccines may not need boosters, so long as the virus and its variants do not evolve much beyond their current forms — which is not guaranteed. People who recovered from Covid-19 before being vaccinated may not need boosters even if the virus does make a significant transformation."

by Let this be a warningreply 16106/28/2021

[quote]Putting a mask on when you are indoors with other people is next to zero effort but could save someone's life. Like I said, absolutely immature and selfish...just like the Trumpers you hate.

This is the biggest bunch of bullshit that I've read on DL all day. You all are the Trumpers, because this isn't about saving anyone's life. This is about your political bullshit. You're keeping it going, in spite of growing evidence that mask wearing for fully vaccinated people is ridiculous. Again, instead of spending your money on masks use that cash to invest in some therapy for your Covid trauma.

by Let this be a warningreply 16206/28/2021

More than 4,000 people fully vaccinated by Pfizer have died of Covid

by Let this be a warningreply 16306/28/2021

Yeah, gonna need a link for that, R163.

by Let this be a warningreply 16406/28/2021

[quote] The so-called science-based people are now making up stories that they aren't really infected, you see, it's all just dead virus. All of it. No scientific basis for that conclusion. I guess the ones that died must have just choked on dead virus particles.

I’m not making anything up. I didn’t say “all of it”, either. Of course if someone is symptomatic and they test positive, the positive test result isn’t triggered by DEAD VIRUS FRAGMENTS. Those people have a real breakthrough case.

You evidently don’t spend as much time reading about this subject as you do freaking out about it. Do a Google or Twitter search for “PCR dead virus” and you’ll be able to read what I have, from public health experts who are just as concerned as you but way more informed and not as retarded. And no, these aren’t quacks or Trumpers or whatever you no doubt suspect about them.

Or don’t. Feel free to stroke out and die over your COVID hysteria.

by Let this be a warningreply 16506/28/2021

No, R163, simply not true.

You can't pull numbers from your ass —or was it Tucker Carlson's ass?—and expect us to be awed by them.

178.3 million doses and 46% of Americans fully vaccinated and the figure of "4100 hospitalizations or deaths from breakthrough Covid infections of fully vaccinated persons" is the worst figure I can find that doesn't begin to reach your claim, even if expanded internationally. As for what hospitalization and death numbers those 4100 might have represented without the vaccine is unknown, but you're mistaking everything.

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It's lovely how the anti-mask troll keeps citing CDC's theoretical vaccine success scenario, when the REAL data in Israel are showing breakthroughs and increasing Covid hospitalization among vaxxed ppl with Pfizer.

“I don’t think we should undervalue the Israel data, but I think it has to be studied more carefully,” said Robert Hecht, a professor of clinical epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health.

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by Let this be a warningreply 16707/09/2021

I've been fully vaccinated and I'm still wearing a mask when I'm out in public to do only what is necessary. I'm not willing to dine in a restaurant, attend the theater, concert or go into a bar. No large gatherings such as picnics and parties, and the holidays this year will be small and quiet celebrations.

Face it, we don't really know what we put into our bodies when we were injected with a vaccine with short term testing and little known side effects. Every day the story changes regarding side effects, and the actual effectiveness of the vaccines and timelines. We haven't a clue to what those long term side effects will be.

People have become so selfish and impatient.

by Let this be a warningreply 16807/09/2021

[quote]It's lovely how the anti-mask troll keeps citing CDC's theoretical vaccine success scenario, when the REAL data in Israel are showing breakthroughs and increasing Covid hospitalization among vaxxed ppl with Pfizer.

Israel is an outlier:

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by Let this be a warningreply 16907/09/2021

Nope Israel is real time future scenario. Israel got vaxxed in big % way before CAN and UK, it shows Delta and Epsilon will eventually breakthrough. UK and CAN only started vaxxed in good % less than a month, give it couple more days, the Delta and Epsilon will breakthrough like Israel

by Let this be a warningreply 17007/09/2021

I'm a contact tracer and we're seeing an increasing number of breakthrough cases. But fewer than 20% have severe symptoms. And no one has died.

by Let this be a warningreply 17107/09/2021

R171 NOT YET

by Let this be a warningreply 17207/09/2021

I'm fully vaccinated but while I won't wear a mask walking outside I do wear a mask entering a business or public transportation. You don't want to be an asymptomatic carrier for others.

by Let this be a warningreply 17307/09/2021

I just bought a bunch of new masks on sale at REI. My old ones are all shriveled up from being washed 50+ times.

by Let this be a warningreply 17407/09/2021

OP: ok chicken little ....you've had your fun .....it's time to go back in your bunker now.

I'm vaccinated and the future is unforeseeable.......so why fret about it?

by Let this be a warningreply 17507/09/2021

Well, actually the future is forseeable in Israel, so you better keep that mask on R175

by Let this be a warningreply 17607/09/2021
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by Let this be a warningreply 17707/09/2021

R177 Exactly, this is happening in real time, Epsilon is coming and y'all need to recognize this breakthrough.

by Let this be a warningreply 17807/09/2021

Why don’t we just wear space suits.

by Let this be a warningreply 17907/09/2021

OP, go live in a bubble and leave us alone. The science is clear. The vaccine works and even if you get covid now you are not at a risk of dying from it. Risk is a normal part of life, if you don’t like it, don’t go outside.

by Let this be a warningreply 18007/09/2021

R180 Get that ruble hunty.

by Let this be a warningreply 18107/09/2021

R180 thinks Hunter Biden hasn't gotten enough negative media attention.

by Let this be a warningreply 18207/09/2021

What is this “Epsilon” bullshit? The next variant is Lambda and they’ve already found it in Las Vegas sewage.

by Let this be a warningreply 18307/09/2021

I will unmask in stores once I am convinced the information is fairly accurate. Right now their are still too many unknowns about long term effects and whether I as a vaxxed person can pass it along to others. It's just not that big of a deal to me to put a mask on when I go in a store.

by Let this be a warningreply 18407/09/2021

You stand a better chance of a big lottery win than transmitting covid after second shot. But, you're obviously so invested in the issue you can't let it go.

by Let this be a warningreply 18507/09/2021

Having only had one Pfizer (fucking administration couldn’t give me a second until August’s end?), I’m in this really weird space where I feel somewhat less anxious and stressed (say, a level 7 down from 11 out of 10) to leave my house and encounter others, but I still don’t feel at all comfortable unmasking or getting very close to people, or being indoors where there is more than a couple of others.

Plus I still believe it’s way too soon to have gatherings and crowds, or even half-full indoor venues. Viruses don’t care about the fact that it’s summer, or there’s an entertainment industry going under, or that people are bored and lonely. At the same time though, by now the stress of being cooped up and standing a mile away from someone to say hi is even starting to get to me, the world’s biggest reclusive introvert. So idk.

How protected am I, approximately, with one Pfizer? I live out in the country, don’t go into work or on public transport (luckily), and I’m young (under 30) and healthy, but I know that means almost nothing to this awful disease. I’m guessing one shot gives about 50% of a protective shield (+ mask), right? And less than that for Delta variant?

by Let this be a warningreply 18607/09/2021

Girl drive yo ass down to the nearest Kroger, plenty of FREE pfizer there r186

by Let this be a warningreply 18707/09/2021

[quote]How protected am I, approximately, with one Pfizer?

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by Let this be a warningreply 18807/09/2021

R186, where the hell do you live that you haven’t gotten your second Pfizer shot yet?

Also, you’re under 30? FUCK OFF, no one cares.

by Let this be a warningreply 18907/09/2021

Let’s not be too hasty. If he’s under 30, I may care.

Pics?

by Let this be a warningreply 19007/09/2021

R187 almost made me piss myself.

😂

by Let this be a warningreply 19107/09/2021

[quote] Right now their are still too many unknowns

[quote]You stand a better chance of a big lottery win than transmitting covid after second shot.

He stands a better chance of passing a grammar class than transmitting it.

by Let this be a warningreply 19207/09/2021

[quote] My old ones are all shriveled up

Boy, do I know what you mean!

by Let this be a warningreply 19307/09/2021

"So sick of covid. It's been a year and a half and this thing still have us running scared. Enough. Time to live our lives. I don't care anymore. Let cases soar. I just don't care."

Yes, that is what the anti-mask troll said in the other thread. She really wants America dead.

by Let this be a warningreply 19407/11/2021

Who’s dying except unvaccinated losers, r194? I’m not the person whom you’re quoting, but I agree with the sentiment.

by Let this be a warningreply 19507/11/2021

Oh, so you are super OK with Covid soaring too R195? Boris found her Natasha. How romantic.

by Let this be a warningreply 19607/11/2021

Yes, what’s the problem, R196? Why do you care?

by Let this be a warningreply 19707/11/2021

Oh, nothing R197, it's just proof that you are a troll noise, so everyone needs to ignore you and KEEP THAT MASK ON.

by Let this be a warningreply 19807/12/2021

💉 [italic] Nobody Knows Nothin 'Bout The Corona Vaccine

by Let this be a warningreply 19907/12/2021

Better start lining up for Phizer shot #3

And #4

And #5

And #6 ..........

by Let this be a warningreply 20007/12/2021

😷 I'm not saying you should panic, but after a two month layoff from my job as an official Covid Tracer in Darfur, I was back on the job today as a full time tracker, and my supervisor asked if I was available on weekends. Better put those masks back on!

by Let this be a warningreply 20107/12/2021

The nervous nellies are ALWAYS going to cling to any bit of news they possibly can to try and keep EVERYONE wearing masks etc. GET A LIFE LOSERS!

by Let this be a warningreply 20207/12/2021

Get long haul symptoms, loser @ r202.

by Let this be a warningreply 20307/12/2021

What percentage of Americans are suffering from long-haul Covid symptoms, I wonder? We hear SO MUCH about them.

by Let this be a warningreply 20407/12/2021

Those who are refusing the vaccination, and waiting for everyone else to do so, can go fuck themselves. I actually have an aunt and uncle who are lovely people and otherwise very rational. But they're refusing to vaccinate. I don't wish COVID-19 on them, but if they contract it, it's on them.

All this in the face of the fact that another aunt and uncle (aunts are sisters) came down with COVID-19, though the experience was mild. THAT aunt and uncle ARE vaccinated. It's really fucking ridiculous.

by Let this be a warningreply 20507/12/2021

The Miami-Dade County commission chairman and his chief of staff have been infected with Covid, even though they are both vaccinated.

[quote]"Breakthrough" infections - fully vaccinated individuals who contract the coronavirus - do happen, although they are very rare. An Associated Press analysis of government data in May showed only about 1% of such cases resulted in hospitalization or death. The analysis suggested that nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. recently have been in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths could approach zero if every eligible person gets the vaccine.

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by Let this be a warningreply 20607/13/2021

Of course, we really have no idea how "rare" breakthrough infections are, because most are asymptomatic and those afflicted don't generally get tested.

by Let this be a warningreply 20707/13/2021

Cases are surging! Keep that mask on !

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by Let this be a warningreply 20807/13/2021

Cases are surging among the unvaccinated. Get vaccinated and stop worrying about masks, R208.

by Let this be a warningreply 20907/13/2021

Then why did the VAXXED Miami-Dade County commission chairman AND his Chief of staff get covid, hmmm, R209?

by Let this be a warningreply 21007/13/2021

Because breakthrough infections happen in rare instances, as they’ve been happening since the vaccines were first rolled out. This is expected.

Do you think they’re occurring in a third of all vaccinated people? Half?

by Let this be a warningreply 21107/13/2021

If it is sooo rare then why do we hear about it all the time the past few week, hmm, R211?

by Let this be a warningreply 21207/13/2021

What's this "hmmmm..." shit? Once was more than enough, Janik.

Anyway, I'll play along and pretend you don't understand how this works. When the vaccine was about to roll out, no secrets were made of the fact that the vaccine's feature was not that it completely prevented infection, but that those vaccinated were far less likely to be hospitalized and/or die of Covid.

by Let this be a warningreply 21307/13/2021

If it is sooo rare then why do we hear about it all the time the past few week, hmm, R213?

by Let this be a warningreply 21407/13/2021

R212 - Because the media wants the clicks and to keep you in constant fear, tuning in 24/7. Turn off the cable news, make sure you are vaccinated, and go live your life.

by Let this be a warningreply 21507/13/2021

Boris R214, your reading comprehension isn't good.

Have you heard about lots of Moderna and Pfizer fully-vaccinated people being hospitalized and dying "the past few week", as you put it?

Links please, HMMMMM?

by Let this be a warningreply 21607/13/2021

No country in the world was "85% vaccinated," as OP stated Israel was. Untrue.

by Let this be a warningreply 21707/13/2021

Actually you are the one who preferred that cases of Covid and death soar , so YOU are Boris

by Let this be a warningreply 21807/13/2021

No more masks bitches!!!

by Let this be a warningreply 21907/13/2021

Mask on Bitches! Epsilon is here!

"When the researchers of the University of Washington in Seattle and Vir Biotechnology, scientists studied the variant's built and infection machinery and how it is different from the original coronavirus that started the pandemic, they found that they are responsible for rearrangement in critical areas of the spike protein. Some crucial structural changes were also noticed in the electron cryomicroscopy study.

The researchers used plasma from an already Covid-19 infected and recovered person and of a fully vaccinated person to understand the neutralizing event of the Epsilon variants on the antibodies present on the samples and found that their effectiveness was reduced to...

... 2 to 3.5 fold."

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by Let this be a warningreply 22007/13/2021

You are all disease spreading WHORES!!!!!!!!!!

Wear a mask, don't wear a mask, but just shut the fuck up!

by Let this be a warningreply 22107/13/2021

I got vaccinated months ago, stopped wearing masks as soon as the guidance indicated they are no longer needed for vaccinated people, and am going about my life. Some people just love drama and can't let go of this obsessive need to be superior to others and scold people for not living in their world of fear.

by Let this be a warningreply 22207/13/2021

Keep living that imaginary guidelines hon, Real data is showing mutations and breakthroughs

by Let this be a warningreply 22307/13/2021

This is just pandemic drama stirred by news outlets to get views/clicks now that they can't use Trump anymore. Just get the vaccine and do whatever you want. And until new guidelines come out, STFU already!

by Let this be a warningreply 22407/13/2021

No R223 real data is not showing that.

by Let this be a warningreply 22507/13/2021

Mutation means change. It does not mean a plunge into horrifying death on the sidewalk because you breathed in a particle of air when walking less than 20 feet away from someone not double masked.

by Let this be a warningreply 22607/13/2021

Check with Israel and see what they said R225

by Let this be a warningreply 22707/13/2021

Check reality R227. You have a chronic fear disorder. Get some help in dealing with your fear.

by Let this be a warningreply 22807/13/2021

Sounds like someone could not deal with the REAL data, so they have to resort to name calling. Go away, Boris.

by Let this be a warningreply 22907/13/2021

You are the one calling people names R229 and believing delusional fear media. Get help.

by Let this be a warningreply 23007/13/2021

PEOPLE!!!! Turn off CNN and CNBC for a month. Your life will improve greatly without the constant stream of ratings-driven fear, panic and sensationalism. Just try it.

by Let this be a warningreply 23107/13/2021

Numbers are real darling, just because you are blinding yourselves, it does not mean the comet is not crashing down.

by Let this be a warningreply 23207/13/2021

Why does mask-wearing annoy anti-maskers so much? They're common in Asian countries, and may become more common here.

How does this impact anyone else? What business is it of theirs what people choose to wear, for fuck sake?

And when you see someone with a mask, maybe they're undergoing chemo (1 out of 2 people will get cancer in their lifetime.) OR maybe someone in their family is having chemo. Or maybe they have severe allergies or asthma that's worsened by pollution or pollen or whatever. Maybe if they catch a cold, it could kill a fragile person in their family, or interfere with their caregiving...

I could go on and on. There are many reasons to wear masks that have nothing to do with covid -- and I'm glad it's becoming more common in this country. Wearing a mask never hurt anyone else. NOT wearing a mask can certainly hurt someone else.

by Let this be a warningreply 23307/13/2021

R223 the first coronavirus (SARS 1) also mutated, just like the new one (SARS 2), A it busted into a less transmissible form of itself and stopped spreading. You assume that mutation necessarily equals more deadly, but this delusional belief is not based in science or precedent, and reveals your true motivations, fear mongering.

by Let this be a warningreply 23407/13/2021

Yep, I have had friend in the hospital before with cancer and other stuff where they basically had no immune system. You cant go in their room without a mask. Some can even leave the hospital IF they keep a mask on so people should not assume its always about Covid.

by Let this be a warningreply 23507/13/2021

We've got Trump II here in the UK. We are about to embark on a mass infection exercise next week as restrictions are lifted, because BoJo doesn't have Tory votes to keep them in place. Our government's actions will result in more infections and more, avoidable, deaths.

by Let this be a warningreply 23607/13/2021

R234, REAL data in Israel are justifying my concerns, but of course, your main concern is spreading misinfo to infect Americans. Nice try, Boris.

by Let this be a warningreply 23707/13/2021

I will get my first shot on Tuesday. Looking forward to it. I'm 34. It was the first available slot. I'm in the last prioritized group. That's why it took so long.

by Let this be a warningreply 23807/14/2021

R233, it offends their politics. That's it. The only grief I've gotten for wearing a mask was from Trumpers.

by Let this be a warningreply 23907/14/2021

"4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough." Mask up please, everyone.

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R237 Yes, people get infected. Even in vaccinated people. Vaccines don't stop infection. It stops people from getting seriously ill and die. Remember, it isn't 100 % effective and it's especially weak in older people, like 90 year olds etc. That is why you will continue to see some people getting sick and die. But it's a lot less than if people hadn't get vaccinated. Most vaccinated people will get mild symptoms if they get infected, because the vaccines work in most people. But you have the mutations. The vaccines are less effective on them. Pfizer and Moderna were developed before the mutations. Pfizer have said they will tweak it and that some people will need a third booster dose. With all this said, vaccines prevent people from getting seriously ill and they prevent deaths. Please stop this anti-vaxx bullshit. Vaccines save lives.

by Let this be a warningreply 24107/14/2021

...AND keep that mask on. That's the most important part.

by Let this be a warningreply 24207/14/2021

4100 breakthrough cases leading to hospitalization or death out of 159,000,000 fully vaccinated Americans is .002 percent.

by Let this be a warningreply 24307/14/2021

It is the beginning of the end R243, viruses do grow exponentially

by Let this be a warningreply 24407/14/2021

The guy in OP's link has a weird belly bulge, as if his balls and cock are attached to his torso.

by Let this be a warningreply 24507/14/2021

There are more variants they just haven't discovered them yet, viruses mutate, that's how they survive.

by Let this be a warningreply 24607/14/2021

😷 [italic] Nobody Knows Nothin 'Bout The Corona

by Let this be a warningreply 24707/14/2021

😷 [italic] Nobody Knows Nothin 'Bout The Corona

by Let this be a warningreply 24807/14/2021

R246, I was listening to NPR a while back and a virologist said that the world was producing 3 new variants a day, at that time.

by Let this be a warningreply 24907/14/2021

And that is probably the case with all viruses (viri?), not just the virus that causes COVID.

by Let this be a warningreply 25007/14/2021

I think a public education campaign on PTSD is in order. There are obviously many people suffering from it, as evidenced by all the fear posts here and elsewhere. Common sense precautions are normal. Crossing over into irrational fear where the fear response is out of proportion compared to the actual risk is not.

by Let this be a warningreply 25107/14/2021

R249 I bet it's even more than that. They tend to the conservative side with things like this.

by Let this be a warningreply 25207/14/2021

Except the fear is real hon R251.

"4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough."

A fellow user Voice of The Night was infected with Covid TWICE, even though he was vaxxed

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by Let this be a warningreply 25307/14/2021

😷 Masks

🧤 Gloves

🤲 Sanitizer

[italic] Don't Leave Home Without Them

by Let this be a warningreply 25407/14/2021

If you're including mask-wearing in the "irrational fears" R251 - I feel much LESS fear when I'm wearing a mask.

by Let this be a warningreply 25507/14/2021

Yeah but Voice of the Night is an attention whore. Always has been.

by Let this be a warningreply 25607/14/2021

You can never win

by Let this be a warningreply 25707/14/2021

Plus isn't VOTN a doctor, anyway? So it's not like he's a typical DL shut-in who got infected, vaxxed and reinfected just shuffling out to the fence line to feed the feral cats.

by Let this be a warningreply 25807/14/2021

That proves even docs are not invincible with covid

by Let this be a warningreply 25907/14/2021

Why would doctors, of all people, be invincible? They're around people with Covid, or around people who are around people with it.

by Let this be a warningreply 26007/14/2021

Doc typically show up for 3 min top, it is mostly nurses, most doc have their own little private space now to do work in Covid time to limit exposure.

by Let this be a warningreply 26107/14/2021

R208, 212, you just keep on wearing your little masks or better yet, just hide under bed for the rest of your life. I'm vaccinated and there will be NO more mask wearing for me!!

by Let this be a warningreply 26207/15/2021

It sad to see so many mask loving, nervous nellies here on DL.

by Let this be a warningreply 26307/15/2021

^^^Gay men have never been known to be very stable.

by Let this be a warningreply 26407/15/2021

It's some form of too much covid disaster porn, along with a political statement, R263.

by Let this be a warningreply 26507/15/2021

It's called virtue signalling. Self righteous people love to do it.

by Let this be a warningreply 26607/15/2021

The rep at my bank this afternoon was wearing two masks! He was clearly over 12, so I suppose it could've been medical issue, but seemed healthy enough to me (able to work a full time job), so I took it as a political starement.

by Let this be a warningreply 26707/15/2021

All the mockery of mask wearers sounds like Trump supporters last year and the mockers now probably all voted for Biden.

by Let this be a warningreply 26807/15/2021

A while back, they did a survey asking what respondents felt was the "threat level" for various covid-related issues. Self-identified Democrats answered in some cases 20x more dire than the actual situation.

Moreover, vaccinated folks, even if unlucky enough to experience covid breakthrough, would have a weaker case (lower viral load) that's less easily transmitted.

by Let this be a warningreply 26907/15/2021

WTF do you mean by "the actual situation?".

just wear a mask indoors. Think of others not just yourself.

by Let this be a warningreply 27007/15/2021

Questions like "how many do far in this age range have been admitted to ICU?" Whatever the factual number at the time was, the Dem average response was 20x higher.

"Think of others" is a slogan to instill a sense of permanent guilt.

by Let this be a warningreply 27107/15/2021

No, bitch. It means stop the. virus globally. You've shown yourself to be a senseless troll,

by Let this be a warningreply 27207/15/2021

R263 LA County has now returned to mask mandate, this is not irrational hysteria

by Let this be a warningreply 27307/15/2021

Yes, it still is R273. LA County is over-reacting. The people getting infected and ill are UNVACCINATED. People who have declined to be vaccinated need to take steps to protect themselves like stay home until they wise up and get vaccinated. The rest of should not have to start having restrictions because of their stupidity.

by Let this be a warningreply 27407/15/2021

People who are vaccinated generally don't get sick if exposed to the virus. True they can probably pass it on to others. But as long as everyone is vaccinated it's not an issue. People who refuse to take the vaccine need to quarantine until the pandemic over or until they get their ignorant asses vaccinated. Enough of this bullshit.

by Let this be a warningreply 27507/15/2021

Either get vaccinated or assume the risk of your stupidity. Nobody else should cater to your stupidity or adjust their lives because you are stupid.

by Let this be a warningreply 27607/15/2021

[quote]just wear a mask indoors. Think of others not just yourself.

The people who need to start thinking of others are the ones who are causing this surge....the unvaccinated. If they had just been vaccinated we would not be in this situation.

by Let this be a warningreply 27707/15/2021

Oh OK, so I am supposed to trust the opinion of some randos on DL ( who is likely Boris) over LA's finest with education and experience. Dream on.

by Let this be a warningreply 27807/15/2021

You should probably back off the Boris accusations until you learn to write sentences that aren’t in broken English, OP/R278.

by Let this be a warningreply 27907/15/2021

So the people who are unvaccinated are actually expected to mask up? Good luck with that.

by Let this be a warningreply 28007/15/2021

You should probably back off the vague Boris accusations until you learn to stop farting Putin's propaganda R279

by Let this be a warningreply 28107/15/2021

[quote] If you're including mask-wearing in the "irrational fears" [R251] - I feel much LESS fear when I'm wearing a mask.

Deciding to do something based on how you feel = irrational.

by Let this be a warningreply 28207/15/2021

Telling people it is ok to stop wearing mask in a middle of an airborne pandemic = irrational

by Let this be a warningreply 28307/15/2021

[quote] But as long as everyone is vaccinated it's not an issue.

If only. In my central Ohio county the vaccination rate is 43%.

by Let this be a warningreply 28407/15/2021

[quote]How can it be herd immunity if it is still there in the herd and doubling everyday?

[quote]His rhetoric are basically: you die not my fault, no one cares about Trumper's kids.

[quote]Oh, nothing R197, it's just proof that you are a troll noise, so everyone needs to ignore you and KEEP THAT MASK ON.

[quote]Doc typically show up for 3 min top, it is mostly nurses, most doc have their own little private space now to do work in Covid time to limit exposure.

A reminder that all of these were written by OP, whose limited command of the English language marks him either as a foreign troll or deeply stupid. Either way, he spouts lies constantly in order to spread fear and disinformation about the efficacy of the vaccines, and that’s why his first thread was deservedly nuked out of existence.

Get a vaccine if you haven’t. Wear a mask if it makes you feel comfortable. And ignore everything this vile troll has to say.

by Let this be a warningreply 28507/15/2021

Vaccine is not as powerful as they touted back in November.

by Let this be a warningreply 28607/15/2021

Yet, R285, the pandemic is not over, LA County is now back with mask mandate, Cases are rising in US, Breakthroughs are rampant. My projection from Israel data from weeks ago came true.

by Let this be a warningreply 28707/15/2021

And you sound positively gleeful whenever you have to deliver whatever dire prediction you have, which makes you a troll no matter whether it’s because you’re posting foreign disinformation or are merely a panic addict who just happens to have trouble conjugating verbs, using common idioms and understanding basic usage of punctuation marks.

by Let this be a warningreply 28807/15/2021

Breakthrough infections are not "rampant". Just stop. Get help with your PTSD hon. Vaccinated people are NOT getting seriously ill with COVID. It is only the idiots who refuse to get vaccinated. They made their choice, now they can live with the consequences.

by Let this be a warningreply 28907/15/2021

R288 It is not disinformation if the prediction cones true, unlike the fart noises you make R288

by Let this be a warningreply 29007/15/2021

R287, breakthroughs are not rampant and Israel's figures are below what the health ministry had predicted a couple of weeks ago. Hospitalisations are low and deaths incredibly low. Israel has reinstated its mask mandate.

by Let this be a warningreply 29107/16/2021

R286, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are very powerful. The virus has mutated into new, stronger variants, however, which has lowered effectiveness a little, but the vaccines still work very well. There are some breakthroughs but not that many and most new cases are unvaccinated.

That said, people should still wear masks indoors and take other precautions.

by Let this be a warningreply 29207/16/2021

Not good.

Covid cases, deaths rising in U.S., as CDC warns of 'pandemic of the unvaccinated'

Low vaccination coverage in parts of the U.S. is putting people at risk, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned.

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by Let this be a warningreply 29307/16/2021

Holy shit you idiots need to learn the difference between airborne and droplet. COVID is a droplet like the flu, not an airborne disease like TB. If it was airborne, anything other than an N95 would've been useless. But good to know DL epidemiologists and virologists who don't know the difference are spouting facts and think they know more than a whole team at the CDC.

by Let this be a warningreply 29407/16/2021

CNN)With Covid-19 cases rising in all 50 states, health officials say it's clear that unvaccinated people are both driving the increase in cases and are most at risk. "This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated," US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Dr. Rochelle Walensky said during Friday's White House Covid-19 briefing.

"We are seeing outbreaks of cases in parts of the country that have low vaccination coverage because unvaccinated people are at risk," Walensky said. Meantime, "communities that are fully vaccinated are generally faring well."

by Let this be a warningreply 29507/16/2021

[quote]Yeah but Voice of the Night is an attention whore. Always has been.

Indeed. Total narcissist who comes to DL for supply when it's running low elsewhere.

by Let this be a warningreply 29607/16/2021

R294 Covid IS airborne

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by Let this be a warningreply 29707/16/2021

"The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is 'weaker' against the Indian 'Delta' variant than health officials had hoped"

Mask on people

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by Let this be a warningreply 29807/16/2021

LA is going back into mask lock down this Sunday. All indoor public places must wear a mask whether you are vaccinated or not. Yes, it's true ALL the infections in LA this past week have been people who never got vaccinated. So why make everyone else do the mask thing? Simple, if we go back to the honor system, all anit-Vaxxers/Trumptards will go unmasked. Honor is not in their vocabulary. They don't give a shit about other people or playing by the rules, they are un-American wrapped in a flag. End result is we all suffer keeping this virus thing going. So if you are going to act like children, then you need to be treated like them. - Your elected officials.

by Let this be a warningreply 29907/16/2021

R297, I like that argument for clean air. There's a lot of illegal air quality already (from pollution) and it makes sense it should apply for viruses too.

by Let this be a warningreply 30007/16/2021

UK health secretary Sajid Javid has tested positive for covid despite being double jabbed since May.

by Let this be a warningreply 30107/17/2021
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OK, anti-mask troll open your eyes and absorb this:

The vaccine is NOT a cure, it is harm reduction, you can still get it "asymptomatic", that is why you wear a mask to stop YOU from spreading it unknowingly post-vaxxed

Plenty of Trumpers children, immuno-compromised people, and elders cannot be vaxxed or the vaxxed would not work well on them due to weak immune system. SO have a heart, wear a mask, and stop massacring fellow Americans

Stop that theoretical best case scenario of herd immunity. Come to the REAL world, where people in the community are refusing the vaccine and stoking the virus evolution cycle, that is the truth and the only truth. This will render the vaccine ineffective. REAL data is estimating 2-3 fold reduction of effectiveness.

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by Let this be a warningreply 30307/17/2021

I saw more masks today at the grocery store. A few days ago, I saw two other people wearing one. 99% did not.

by Let this be a warningreply 30407/17/2021

I'm going grocery shopping tonight and NOT wearing a mask. The rules don't start until 11:59pm tonight. And I am vaccinated.

by Let this be a warningreply 30507/17/2021

R301, Javid is a moron who says we have to "learn to live with Covid" and has ordered all anti-Covid measures to be lifted on Monday.

by Let this be a warningreply 30607/17/2021

UK sounds like it has more Deplorables than America. Good Bye UK. Nice knowing you.

by Let this be a warningreply 307Last Monday at 3:36 AM

[quote] SO have a heart, wear a mask, and stop massacring fellow Americans

When you use ridiculous hyperbole like this, your entire argument goes right out the window.

by Let this be a warningreply 308Last Wednesday at 5:11 AM

Older people have significantly lower vax affinity, they can get breakthrough infection from whatever asymptomatic bug from you. Obviously, you are too much of an A-hole o perceive that R308

by Let this be a warningreply 309Last Wednesday at 5:55 AM

Yeah, because that’s what you meant when you said “stop mAsSaCrInG pEoPlE!!1!1!!!1”

by Let this be a warningreply 310Last Wednesday at 6:03 AM

Fact, breakthrough infection is happening R310. Your dreamland maskless scenario is crumbling everyday, as my projection from Israel is growing stronger with each breakthrough infections, FACT.

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by Let this be a warningreply 311Last Wednesday at 6:09 AM

Goy my first jab yesterday and now I feel sick. Headache, dizzy, nauseous, sore arm. Thankfully no fever though. Despite this I don't regret it for a second. Can't wait to be fully vaccinated. A few days of discomfort is better than catching covid.

by Let this be a warningreply 312Last Wednesday at 6:11 AM

R44 Trashed me like a Boris, just ask Infected Steve Grand how right I was a month ago . "Delta variant is driving large number of breakthrough cases in Provincetown"

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by Let this be a warningreply 313Last Wednesday at 6:19 AM

[quote]Your dreamland maskless scenario is crumbling everyday

As if we didn't need more evidence that OP is a disgusting troll, his posts now read like a villain from a bad eighties action movie.

by Let this be a warningreply 314Last Wednesday at 10:12 AM

Attention, OP, fuck right off!

by Let this be a warningreply 315Last Wednesday at 10:21 AM

Meanwhile, you Are still wrong R314. Keep that mask ON

by Let this be a warningreply 316Last Wednesday at 10:43 AM

...or what?

by Let this be a warningreply 317Last Wednesday at 10:46 AM

Mask mandates will be back because while you might not care about the unvaccinated getting sick and dying, the governments and health care systems have to care and there is no way, it seems, to know who is and isn't vaccinated in this high tech world we live in, so the only way to make the unvaccinated wear a fucking mask is to make everyone wear a mask.

Remember back to being a kid when one asshole in a class would ruin it for everyone along the lines of 'if you all can't stay quiet, no one gets to go to recess'? Those assholes grew up to be anti-vax Trumper assholes.

by Let this be a warningreply 318Last Wednesday at 10:58 AM

Honestly R317, how many rubles do you get? Or you just crave Putin's cock that much?

by Let this be a warningreply 319Last Wednesday at 11:27 AM

Mask mandates won't be back, not in the US.

by Let this be a warningreply 320Last Wednesday at 11:27 AM

It IS already back in LA, anti-mask troll is so delusional

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by Let this be a warningreply 321Last Wednesday at 11:31 AM

[quote]Attention everyone, Just because you are vaccinated, it does not mean you are posing Zero threat from Covid

After all this time, English STILL is challenging you, OP?

Oh, dear.

by Let this be a warningreply 322Last Wednesday at 11:43 AM

Ugly mask-obsessed troll thinks that everyone lives in the shithole that is LA.

by Let this be a warningreply 323Last Wednesday at 11:44 AM

R323 Ugly anti-mask troll thinks that the Gulag is the height of civilization

by Let this be a warningreply 324Last Wednesday at 11:54 AM

R332, OP will no doubt reply to you with something like "No ? oh dear you , Are very Boris and no Write english . Mask On!"

by Let this be a warningreply 325Last Wednesday at 12:50 PM

Yup DL fave and icon Steve Grand got it while in P-Town. Somebody didn’t wash their hands before 👊

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by Let this be a warningreply 326Last Wednesday at 2:43 PM

Oh Steve

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by Let this be a warningreply 327Last Wednesday at 2:44 PM

[quote]Fun fact: Covid eats the brain in asymptotic and symptomatic. The kids who have been exposed will have issues 20 years from now.

Great. Long-term brain damage = more Republicans.

by Let this be a warningreply 328Last Wednesday at 2:48 PM

[quote]When you use ridiculous hyperbole like this, your entire argument goes right out the window.

Well lets see, the Boston Massacre was a total of 5 people. There's now over 600,000 dead in the US just from one single virus. Most of which was preventable. I think a massacre is not out of line in terms of a statuette. Even with 300 million people in the US, that number is not normal for a single event.

by Let this be a warningreply 329Last Wednesday at 8:10 PM

Keep that mask on! Get your freak off!

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by Let this be a warningreply 330Last Wednesday at 8:13 PM

Numero Uno again! USA! USA! USA!

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by Let this be a warningreply 331Last Wednesday at 8:18 PM

It’s shocking to me people without masks.

by Let this be a warningreply 332Last Thursday at 5:14 AM

So collapse on your fainting couch.

by Let this be a warningreply 333Last Thursday at 5:56 AM

R333, how does one type with one's head so far up one's ass?

by Let this be a warningreply 334Last Thursday at 6:10 AM

We went massless in our province a couple weeks ago. Also ditched gathering size restrictions. I noticed at first, about 90% of people in stores, etc., still wore masks. Now, I’d say it’s down to about 50%. Yesterday, we had our first big bump in covid cases in a couple months. It’ll be interesting to see if that was a blip or the beginning of a trend.

by Let this be a warningreply 335Last Thursday at 6:16 AM

They should've never lifted some of the restrictions, like masks. Even if there's a small number of breakthroughs, between the vaccinated getting it still, and the unvaccinated getting it, there very well could be a mutation that can get around the vaccine. The virus is learning every time its passed around.

I know several people with long haul symptoms and so far, many months later, their lives are radically changed -- they are now basically disabled. It didn't take getting ill from covid to suffer like that, nor were they suffering from other health issues before that. Just having it in them was enough. It's heartbreaking listening to them talk about the health problems, constant appointments with doctors, and costs.

by Let this be a warningreply 336Last Thursday at 6:46 AM

It's going to be a dark fall/winter.

by Let this be a warningreply 337Last Thursday at 6:50 AM

Nah, it'll be fine, Chicken Little.

by Let this be a warningreply 338Last Thursday at 7:55 AM

I got vaxxed, now you get vaxxed or just die, it's your choice.

by Let this be a warningreply 339Last Thursday at 8:22 AM

I got vaxxed, now you get vaxxed or just die, it's your choice.

by Let this be a warningreply 340Last Thursday at 8:23 AM

Britain's reopening continues to go swimmingly:

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by Let this be a warningreply 341Last Thursday at 8:57 AM

R338/R339 are like toddlers sitting there covering their eyes and thinking you can't see them anymore.

by Let this be a warningreply 342Last Thursday at 10:14 AM

Israel study finds vaccines are just 40% effective against symptomatic cases when Delta is predominant, still very effective against hospitalization and severe disease:

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by Let this be a warningreply 343Last Thursday at 11:09 AM

Wow throwaway accounts R338/R339 ? As if we need more evidence anti-mask troll is Boris

by Let this be a warningreply 344Last Thursday at 11:40 AM

[quote] Well lets see, the Boston Massacre was a total of 5 people. There's now over 600,000 dead in the US just from one single virus. Most of which was preventable. I think a massacre is not out of line in terms of a statuette.

Is English really your first language?

by Let this be a warningreply 345Last Thursday at 12:21 PM

I'll say it for the billionth time. Arenas, theaters, amphitheater and stadiums are STILL being crammed with people for the all mighty dollar! Why? Where are the leaders? Why is this still okay by the health officials to this very minute?

by Let this be a warningreply 346Last Thursday at 12:34 PM

Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said the increase is normal given the continued rise in the number of people who are getting fully vaccinated.

She also stressed that fully vaccinated people who become infected generally have extremely mild cases -- a benefit the vaccines have always promised.

"Very few of them ended up hospitalized, and even smaller numbers ended up passing away,' Ferrer said. "So yes, if you are fully vaccinated you have a lot of protection, which is what the vaccines have always been best at -- protecting people from serious illness and death. And these vaccines, even with the Delta variant, are holding up really well.'

She said the fact that people who are fully vaccinated are still getting infected should not be viewed as the shots being ineffective, and should not be used as an excuse for people to avoid getting the shots.

"While seat belts don't prevent every bad thing that can happen during a car accident, they do provide excellent protection, so much so that we all use them routinely,' she said. "It wouldn't really make sense to not use a seat belt just because it doesn't prevent all injuries from car accidents. Rejecting a COVID vaccine because they don't offer 100% protection really ignores the powerful benefits we've experienced from those people who have gotten vaccinated."

by Let this be a warningreply 347Last Thursday at 9:00 PM

r347, we know all of that. My point was at r346 was there are MANY unvaxed assholes out there keeping this virus going. WHY tempt these cunts with concerts and sporting event? This is why a vax passport should have been required to get into venues. This is an unending cycle because Americans are liars first.

Plus, no one knows what is going to happen to vaxed people 3 years from now who get a breakthrough illness NOW.

On the news today there was a doctor in Missouri stating "we have unvaxed people running around this country BEHAVING as they were vaxed people. Why? Why are we letting this happen right in front of us." SHE'S CORRECT! Restrictions on unvaxed cunts needs to start asap.

by Let this be a warningreply 348Last Thursday at 9:29 PM

R347 Bull, breakthrough is totally happ happ rn, just check with Pelosi's vaxxed but infected staffer. You better roll with us and mask it up, or get lost, loser.

by Let this be a warningreply 349Last Thursday at 9:54 PM

That quote was from the public health director for LA county R349. She knows far more about this than you do.

by Let this be a warningreply 350Last Thursday at 10:02 PM

Whatev R350 Call me when the mask mandate is lifted in LA. Til then, mask on

by Let this be a warningreply 351Last Thursday at 10:04 PM

This thread is about vaccinations not masking. Try to keep up.

by Let this be a warningreply 352Last Thursday at 10:19 PM

Most of the Marys screeching about Covid just don't want to go back to the office and work with the 'fraus'. So they want to keep blowing on the pandemic fire.

For better or worse, the world has decided to move forward. I suggest you do the same.

by Let this be a warningreply 353Last Thursday at 10:22 PM

I agree R353.

by Let this be a warningreply 354Last Thursday at 10:26 PM

Uh no, I am the OP, and this thread is about masking, vax or no vax.

by Let this be a warningreply 355Last Thursday at 10:27 PM

Well the title says "....just because you are VACCINATED...." So there's that...

by Let this be a warningreply 356Last Thursday at 10:29 PM

GOP Governor of Alabama speaks some truth:

"Folks are supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the vaccinated folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down,” she said. “I’ve done all I know how to do. I can encourage you to do something but I can’t make you take care of yourself.

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by Let this be a warningreply 357Yesterday at 3:26 AM

Why can't they force people to get the vaccine? They can force people to fight in a war. They can force people to wear seatbelts. They can force people to cook food to a certain temperature in restaurants so customers won't get sick. They can force people to evacuate their homes. Why the fuck can't they force them to get a vaccine for public health? If nothing else, start fining the unvaccinated and doubling the rate they pay for health insurance. Fire them from their jobs. Ban them from all public venues.

by Let this be a warningreply 358Yesterday at 5:44 AM

My body, my choice, R358!

Oh, wait a minute ...

by Let this be a warningreply 359Yesterday at 5:47 AM

Vaxxed breakthrough is not the issue here, much as the terror-porn crowd who can't let this go proclaim that. Those folks overwhelmingly face "the flu" with little or no symptoms (with very, very rare exceptions). They are unlikely to spread it, absent close regular contact (family members) as the viral load is low. Their biggest risk is probably infecting their ineligible children. Even if 12% of vaxxed test positive, that means the vaccines are working exactly as they should! STOP fixating on this as End Times fodder!

There is no way to "force" the refuseniks to comply. Moreover, they're starting to come around slowly, but it takes six weeks from first shot to be fully immunized, like love... you can't hurry that.

by Let this be a warningreply 360Yesterday at 6:20 AM

uh No, breakthrough Í happening R360:

"At least 71 people who have been fully vaccinated in Massachusetts have died after testing positive for a breakthrough COVID-19 case, the Herald has learned.

New data from the state Department of Public Health reveals COVID vaccine breakthrough infections pose a real danger:

As of June 19, a total of 3,907 breakthrough cases had been reported to DPH. On that date, nearly 4.1 million Bay State residents were fully vaccinated. Out of the 3,907 breakthrough infections, a total of 71 people died and 268 people were hospitalized. Breaking that down further: 216 people were hospitalized; 52 were hospitalized and later died; and 19 people died without going to the hospital."

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by Let this be a warningreply 361a day ago

[quote]uh No, breakthrough Í happening

OP, whatever third-rate translation service you're using is broken.

[quote]Mák UP

It's REALLY broken.

[quote]Bull, breakthrough is totally happ happ rn, just check with Pelosi's vaxxed but infected staffer. You better roll with us and mask it up, or get lost, loser.

It's REALLY broken and you're a fucking asshole.

by Let this be a warningreply 362a day ago

Thank you R361.

by Let this be a warningreply 36321 hours ago

R362 blah blah blah I cannot stop vomitting bullshit Wah Wah Wah

by Let this be a warningreply 36421 hours ago

Our mayor just announced a mask advisory due to the increased covid cases and very low vaccination rate.

I will not wear a mask until they stop church and sports activities, why should I have to mask up while people go to watch a game or cough all over each other at church while not vaccinated??

Why should I have to protect people who just won't get vaccinated because of politics? And if you can't be vaccinated because of medical reasons, then keep your ass at home, that is how it is for you. I not going to mask up while you go to church and ball games with no vaccination. Fuck you unvaccinated cunts.

by Let this be a warningreply 36521 hours ago

Except, r361:

[quote]The first people in Massachusetts were fully vaccinated as of early January. There have been 5,057 COVID deaths since then, of which 4,986 people were unvaccinated and 71 people were fully vaccinated.

Those 71 fully vaccinated were most likely very old and/or had comorbidities. This article is also a little confused.

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by Let this be a warningreply 36620 hours ago

Enough!^

by Let this be a warningreply 36720 hours ago

[quote]I will not wear a mask until they stop church and sports activities, why should I have to mask up while people go to watch a game or cough all over each other at church while not vaccinated??

I can practically hear your feet stamping!

by Let this be a warningreply 36820 hours ago

R365 Typical right wing "Got Mine" bullshit.

by Let this be a warningreply 36919 hours ago

R366 ask Steve Grand if he is very old.

by Let this be a warningreply 37019 hours ago

I’m not him, r369, but that’s a bullshit accusation.

I got my shot, they didn’t get theirs even though there’s no reason why they can’t or won’t and expect me to go above and beyond to protect them regardless of their stupidity when they didn’t have the same courtesy toward me last year. Fuck that.

by Let this be a warningreply 37118 hours ago

Did Steve Grand die of Covid, r370?

by Let this be a warningreply 37218 hours ago

[quote]expect me to go above and beyond

Above and beyond? What a fucking drama queen. Grow up. Putting on a mask when you are indoors around other people is not going above and beyond. It's barely "going" at all.

by Let this be a warningreply 37318 hours ago

St. Louis reimposes a mask mandate:

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by Let this be a warningreply 37417 hours ago

NYT: New York City’s mayor warned on Friday that coronavirus vaccine mandates — including one for indoor dining — might be needed to encourage more residents to get inoculated to help combat the spread of the Delta variant.

Mayor Bill de Blasio said that he wanted to consider requiring vaccination for people to participate in some indoor activities, like dining in restaurants, and mandating that more city employees get vaccinated or regularly tested. He also encouraged private employers to require their workers to get vaccinated.

by Let this be a warningreply 37516 hours ago
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