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African Americans to Lin-Manuel Miranda: "GO TO HELL!"

With great power comes great responsibility. As arguably one of the most powerful creatives in contemporary musical theater, fans and followers of the genre have been waiting for Lin-Manuel Miranda to weigh in after The Root’s Producer Felice Léon called out the colorism in his latest stage-to-screen adaptation in a now-viral video interview with In the Heights director Jon M. Chu and female leads Leslie Grace and Melissa Barrera.

“As a Black woman of Cuban descent specifically from New York City, it would be remiss of me to not acknowledge the fact that most of your principal actors were light-skinned or white-passing Latinx people,” Léon pointedly asked. Despite having faced similar criticism in his previous hit, 2018's Crazy Rich Asians, Chu admitted that he’d needed to be educated on the issue when directing this film, pointing out the diversity of the many background dancers as a mea culpa of sorts. “But I hear you on trying to fill those [roles] with darker skin,” he conceded, adding, “I think that’s a really good conversation to have.”

The conversation subsequently exploded online, with some commenters defending the film’s casting as “the best actors for those roles”—a position echoed by Barrera, who portrayed romantic lead “Vanessa.” Others were thrilled for the opportunity to call out the colorism in the cast, particularly given the and long and strong Afro-Latinx presence in the beloved New York enclave. (Of note: Leslie Campos, who portrayed “Nina,” identifies as Afro-Latinx; much of the stage production’s anti-racism dialogue, which centered around that character’s interracial relationship with the only non-Latinx Black man in the cast was accordingly also trimmed down for the film.)

But what of In the Heights’ creator, who also played a role in its film adaptation? While he’d initially declined to be interviewed by The Root’s prior to the film’s premiere last week, after the resulting fallout, Manuel addressed the criticism on Monday, issuing an apologetic statement via Twitter which read, in part:

[quote] I’m seeing the discussion around Afro-Latino representation in our film this weekend and it is clear that many in our dark-skinned Afro-Latino community don’t feel sufficiently represented within it, particularly among the leading roles.

[quote] I can hear the hurt and frustration over colorism, of feeling still unseen in the feedback.

[quote] I hear that without sufficient dark-skinned Afro-Latino representation, the work feels extractive of the community we wanted so much to represent with pride and joy.

[quote] In trying to paint a mosaic of this community, we fell short.

[quote] I’m truly sorry.

[quote] I’m learning from the feedback, I thank you for raising it, and I’m listening.

Manuel further promised to “do better” in his future projects to fully represent and honor the “diverse and vibrant” Latinx community.

As for Léon, who has rightly been credited with sparking this very necessary conversation, in response to Manuel’s apology, she simply stated: “For centuries darker-skinned Afro-Latinx people have been erased from Latinidad, but we will be forgotten no more. We are tired of being maids and background dancers and will continue to push back until we are seen and heard. Indeed, Lin Manuel Miranda ‘fell short.’”

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by Anonymousreply 218July 1, 2021 2:31 AM

Looks like the King of Wokeness is getting his own lesson in WOKENESS!

Rofl.

by Anonymousreply 1June 17, 2021 1:39 AM

This is what happens when you try to be too Woke.

You get eaten alive, eventually.

They expect perfection from everyone, and when you inevitably falter, they'll throw you to the Woke Wolves.

by Anonymousreply 2June 17, 2021 1:40 AM

The title of the thread is a little misleading. Afro-Latinos, not African-Americans, are going after him.

by Anonymousreply 3June 17, 2021 1:41 AM

[quote]As for Léon, who has rightly been credited with sparking this very necessary conversation

It is neither necessary nor a conversation.

by Anonymousreply 4June 17, 2021 1:42 AM

OP = worse than Hitler and Afro-Hitler

Multiple threads on this!

by Anonymousreply 5June 17, 2021 1:42 AM

Rofl R4.

So true.

by Anonymousreply 6June 17, 2021 1:43 AM

Looks like the Golden Boy is turning to COPPER.

by Anonymousreply 7June 17, 2021 1:44 AM

The op is an asshole.

This is about Afro-Latinos not African Americans.

Leave us out of this shit!

by Anonymousreply 8June 17, 2021 1:48 AM

I tried to read this story but seeing “Latinx” makes my brain hurt.

by Anonymousreply 9June 17, 2021 1:49 AM

Whatever happened to, “never apologize, never explain?”

Once you do either, you leave yourself open to being torn to shreds.

by Anonymousreply 10June 17, 2021 1:49 AM

[quote]As a Black woman of Cuban descent specifically from New York City, it would be remiss of me to not acknowledge the fact that most of your principal actors were light-skinned or white-passing Latinx people,”

How tiresome.

And the most hilarious part? While being lighter skinned matters to minorities, white people still don't make that huge a distinction, if any.

by Anonymousreply 11June 17, 2021 1:52 AM

Rita Moreno had a fit on the late show last night I think it was.

She was not happy about the backlash.

by Anonymousreply 12June 17, 2021 1:52 AM

Haha, speaking of Rita Moreno R12:

[quote] Rita Moreno Defends Lin-Manuel Miranda Over ‘In the Heights’ Colorism Criticism: ‘You Can Never Do Right’

Rita Moreno is defending Lin-Manuel Miranda and “In the Heights” following criticism over the film’s lack of Afro-Latino representation.

On tonight’s episode of “The Late Show With Stephen Colbert,” Moreno appeared to promote her documentary, “Just a Girl Who Decided to Go for It,” and later brought up the “In the Heights” controversy.

“Can we talk for a second about that criticism about Lin-Manuel? That really upsets me,” Moreno said to Colbert.

Moreno is referring to criticism regarding the lack of dark-skinned Afro-Latinos in the film’s cast, particularly in leading roles. Online discussion on the topic over the weekend stemmed from a video article in The Root, published on Wednesday. In an interview with “In the Heights” director Jon M. Chu and stars Leslie Grace, Melissa Barrera and Gregory Diaz IV, journalist Felice León questioned the film’s casting decisions. “What would you say to folks who say that ‘In the Heights’ privileges white-passing and light-skinned Latinx people?” León asked, to which Chu replied: “I would say that’s a fair conversation to have. Listen, we’re not going to get everything right in a movie. We tried our best on all fronts of it.”

“You can never do right, it seems,” Moreno continued. “This is the man who literally has brought Latino-ness and Puerto Rican-ness to America. I couldn’t do it. I would love to say I did, but I couldn’t. Lin-Manuel has done that really singlehandedly, and I’m thrilled to pieces and I’m proud that he produced my documentary.”

Colbert then asked: “So are you saying that while you may understand where people’s concerns come from, that perhaps it’s misplaced in criticizing him in this?”

“Well I’m simply saying, can’t you just wait a while and leave it alone?” Moreno responded. “There’s a lot of people who are Puertorriqueños, who are also from Guatemala, who are dark and who are also fair. We are all colors in Puerto Rico. And this is how it is, and it would be so nice if they hadn’t come up with that and just left it alone, just for now. I mean, they’re really attacking the wrong person.”

On Monday, Miranda issued an apology for the lack of representation, saying that he “fell short.” “I can hear the hurt and frustration over colorism, of feeling still unseen in the feedback. I hear that without sufficient dark-skinned Afro-Latino representation, the work feels extractive of the community we wanted so much to represent with pride and joy,” Miranda’s statement said in part. “In trying to paint a mosaic of this community, we fell short. I’m truly sorry. I’m learning from the feedback, I thank you for raising it, and I’m listening.”

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by Anonymousreply 13June 17, 2021 1:56 AM

Here's Rita Moreno on the Colbert Show...

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by Anonymousreply 14June 17, 2021 1:57 AM

This is a non story.

by Anonymousreply 15June 17, 2021 2:03 AM

[quote] This is a non story.

To YOU.

It's a big story in the Latin community.

Obviously big enough for Miranda and Moreno to comment about it.

by Anonymousreply 16June 17, 2021 2:06 AM

Arguing over a shitty film. How exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 17June 17, 2021 2:12 AM

Now Rita's apologizing! Apologies for everyone!

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by Anonymousreply 18June 17, 2021 2:23 AM

They weren’t complaining about, nor were they thanking, Lin-Manuel for Hamilton. It’s true, most Dominicans have African blood in them. Surprised the director never heard of Afro-Latinos. They’re a sizable portion of the Latin community. Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican Island are mostlyAfrican-mixed, not indigenous to the islands.

by Anonymousreply 19June 17, 2021 2:26 AM

I wish every time Rita Moreno spoke, she concluded, "Smoke on your pipe and put THAT in!"

by Anonymousreply 20June 17, 2021 2:29 AM

"I apologize for not apologizing!"

by Anonymousreply 21June 17, 2021 2:30 AM

I just watched the trailer for In The Heights on youtube-

Just no

by Anonymousreply 22June 17, 2021 2:33 AM

Is it pronounshed Latinksh or Latin-eksh?

by Anonymousreply 23June 17, 2021 2:34 AM

Rita did nothing but display the tone deafness that already exists within the Latin community towards anyone who isn't a white Latina etc.

She meant what she said the first time. This apology is just damage control, nothing more.

She meant what she said.

by Anonymousreply 24June 17, 2021 2:35 AM

Lol most afro latinos speak English so they just get bumped with African americans, Americans seem to think latinos begin and end with Mexico....

by Anonymousreply 25June 17, 2021 2:40 AM

I am offended by the abuse of the words "around," "conversation," and "hear."

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

by Anonymousreply 26June 17, 2021 2:40 AM

Well, Lin-Manuel does have his Miranda Rights.

by Anonymousreply 27June 17, 2021 2:44 AM

He did it to himself when he apologized to the whiny idiots. They are never satisfied, just do your best to ignore them and trudge on. Semi-relatedly, I have to give Andrew Cuomo credit for totally blowing off the calls of "resign!" from the Twitterati and he seems to have come through the other side of that.

by Anonymousreply 28June 17, 2021 2:46 AM

Never apologize to random people who demand an apology.

by Anonymousreply 29June 17, 2021 2:53 AM

"I'm white! WHITE!!" - Sarah-Jane Miranda.

(No you ain't, bitch!)

by Anonymousreply 30June 17, 2021 2:55 AM

Pretzels, pretzels, pretzels. We’re all becoming fucking pretzels. Make it STAHP!

by Anonymousreply 31June 17, 2021 2:57 AM

This is OP, a sad reject from Hamilton.

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by Anonymousreply 32June 17, 2021 2:58 AM

[quote] Semi-relatedly, I have to give Andrew Cuomo credit for totally blowing off the calls of "resign!" from the Twitterati and he seems to have come through the other side of that.

He has great political instincts/knows where the bodies are buried.

by Anonymousreply 33June 17, 2021 3:02 AM

He should go to hell. Blacks are always including Latinos in their projects, yet Latinos never want to include Blacks in theirs. That’s why I gave up trying to get along with Latinos - they just like using people.

by Anonymousreply 34June 17, 2021 3:03 AM

Ha ha ha ha!

by Anonymousreply 35June 17, 2021 3:05 AM

[quote]While being lighter skinned matters to minorities, white people still don't make that huge a distinction, if any.

Dark-skinned Italians and Greeks might have something to say about that.

by Anonymousreply 36June 17, 2021 3:14 AM

R36- I've seen LIGHT skinned Indian people who look quite European- like they're from Greece or Southern Italy. On the HBO drama ROME on of the actresses who played a Roman woman was of Indian descent.

by Anonymousreply 37June 17, 2021 3:51 AM

[quote] It is neither necessary nor a conversation.

OK y'all, now we have to talk about....

by Anonymousreply 38June 17, 2021 3:57 AM

[quote] It's a big story in the Latin community on TWITTER...

Fixed.

by Anonymousreply 39June 17, 2021 3:59 AM

The commercials for this movie were wayyyy too much, with all the celebs like Ariana saying how much they loved it. Talk about hype.

by Anonymousreply 40June 17, 2021 4:00 AM

[quote] 've seen LIGHT skinned Indian people who look quite European

Yes, South Asians may be the most skin color obsessed people on the planet. They really look down on even people in their own community who are much darker. Skin bleaching is HUGE and you'll be lucky to find a Bollywood actor who is dark-skinned.

by Anonymousreply 41June 17, 2021 4:03 AM

Yet another "race" dagger driven into the heart of US entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 42June 17, 2021 4:11 AM

What about West Side Story? Will that be next?

by Anonymousreply 43June 17, 2021 5:19 AM

[quote]Afro-Latinos, not African-Americans, are going after him.

Oh no, it's definitely both.

Btw, black Latinos can also be African-American. Don't be racist.

by Anonymousreply 44June 17, 2021 5:30 AM

Live by the woke, die by the woke.

by Anonymousreply 45June 17, 2021 5:59 AM

The woke left reminds me of the people in Orwell's 1984 who participated in the "3 minutes hate," gleefully and trendily condemning the enemies of the people. Shades of Mao's China.

by Anonymousreply 46June 17, 2021 6:07 AM

sorry meant to type frantically

by Anonymousreply 47June 17, 2021 6:08 AM

Shouldn’t it be called a blacklash instead of a backlash?

by Anonymousreply 48June 17, 2021 6:27 AM

Despite him being entrenched in the theatre with tons of gays around he ain’t doing nothing for them either. I turned off ItH when that nasty queen in the beautyshop showed up. She looked like a 1970s stereotype, so I hope starts apologizing to the Gays soon enough as well.

by Anonymousreply 49June 17, 2021 6:29 AM

That’s Valentina. He’s credited in the ending credits as “Valentina as herself”.

by Anonymousreply 50June 17, 2021 7:19 AM

I don’t get the backlash. They want more Afro-Latinx in the lead roles but 2 out of the 4 lead roles WERE played by Afro-Latinx! Nina is Afro-Latinx and Benny is straight black. The main character Usnavi cannot be black because that was the character based on Lin-Manuel himself. He’s writing about himself and what he knows so he can’t change the race of his character, especially since the reason he wrote it is because there wasn’t anything in the media that represented him so he created it himself.

by Anonymousreply 51June 17, 2021 7:25 AM

At least in Cats they were all different colors.

by Anonymousreply 52June 17, 2021 10:04 AM

nobody is ever going to be happy until every film stars an afrolatinx fat devout muslim who is half asian with only two limbs who speaks through a computer like stephen hawking and of course has a beautiful thin able bodied spouse of ambiguous race.

by Anonymousreply 53June 17, 2021 10:16 AM

We’re moving closer to the exciting days of the Cultural Revolution. I think at one point professors who didn’t toe the Maoist line were actually eaten by their students. Or maybe had to eat each other.

by Anonymousreply 54June 17, 2021 10:33 AM

[quote]I don’t get the backlash.

No, they want him to act like dark skinned latinos exist in the neighborhood he has lived in himself, shot the movie in and has acknowledged is Dominican.

[quote] Nina is Afro-Latinx and Benny is straight black.

AFRICAN AMERICAN BLACK IS NOT AFRO-LATINO.

Even the troll starting the damn thread title can't be bothered to know the difference.

[quote]The main character Usnavi cannot be black because that was the character based on Lin-Manuel himself.

He wrote that character as Dominican when he himself is a Puerto Rican because he said the neighborhood is Dominican. Usnavi is a Cuban name. He named the love interest Vanessa before he even met his wife. The character isn't based on him.

He may have put some of himself into the way the character speaks when he performed it but the problem is he wrote it when he was 19.

[quote] He’s writing about himself and what he knows so he can’t change the race of his character, especially since the reason he wrote it is because there wasn’t anything in the media that represented him so he created it himself.

He also acknowledged, a long time ago, multiple times, he wasn't exactly the best person to write about this.

by Anonymousreply 55June 17, 2021 10:34 AM

Tow...

by Anonymousreply 56June 17, 2021 10:35 AM

[quote] While being lighter skinned matters to minorities, white people still don't make that huge a distinction, if any.

Patently false.

Lighter skinned Latinos like Miranda can easily pass for white. People may not think they're Scandinavian, but you;d be hard pressed to whether most younger Miami Cubans were "minorities"

What's unsaid is that in all of Latin America, skin color is tied to social class in a way most Americans don't realize. The upper classes are almost all European Even in the DR, where most of the population is Afro-Latino. the president, like most of the upper classes is a white European.

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by Anonymousreply 57June 17, 2021 10:57 AM

If only they could have tweaked the color of their skin like they could have done in Cats. They could have had a new version in the theater by the end of the week.

by Anonymousreply 58June 17, 2021 11:02 AM

I am looking forward to the Celia Cruz bio starring Selena Gomez.

by Anonymousreply 59June 17, 2021 11:15 AM

I thought Julia Roberts was playing Celia?

by Anonymousreply 60June 17, 2021 11:31 AM

Morena now apologized....I am not happy with her. She was RIGHT.

by Anonymousreply 61June 17, 2021 11:39 AM

I think they're right to be pissed. If you actually go to Washington Heights, about half the population is Afro-Cuban and darker-skinned than the leads. Glad Lin-Manuel is listening.

by Anonymousreply 62June 17, 2021 11:43 AM

This has become theater of the absurd.

by Anonymousreply 63June 17, 2021 11:46 AM

I understand that the producers of "West Side Story" are trying to colorize their actors in post-production.

by Anonymousreply 64June 17, 2021 11:52 AM

r34, an afro-latina was one of the leads. A black man was another lead. Hamilton gave way to 3 AA getting Tony's. I think they are turning on the wrong person. The whole thing is insane.

by Anonymousreply 65June 17, 2021 11:59 AM

Well, I hope they are all happy. There will be no more Lainax Afro or otherwise movies because this one bombed and it's not worth the aggravation for producers.

by Anonymousreply 66June 17, 2021 12:06 PM

I’m a light skinned Latino who lived the Heights and even though I was a poor immigrant, I got accused of being spoiled due to my light skin and would get bullied for it.

The worst thing about it was, it wasn’t even the dark skin Latinos saying/doing this but other light skinned Latinos jealous of me. It was also the ones born here in America to immigrant parents. One of them was really fucking ugly, and lived with his two parents in a house they owned yet he’d always go on and on about how my being light skinned protected me from real pain. Meanwhile, I was living in the projects in a broken family.

I bet this whole drama is a few Afro Latinos with white lifestyles trying to gain woke points and a bunch of racist white liberals who act like only Republicans can be racist and are addicted to being woke to make up for their own racist pasts.

by Anonymousreply 67June 17, 2021 12:31 PM

R52- I LOATHED CATS

by Anonymousreply 68June 17, 2021 12:37 PM

[quote]And the most hilarious part? While being lighter skinned matters to minorities, white people still don't make that huge a distinction, if any.

Like fuck they don't.

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by Anonymousreply 69June 17, 2021 12:45 PM

Lol Rita Moreno issued an apology the moment she stepped off the fucking plane back from Colbert. I guarantee the moment she got off stage her people were like, bitch, you’re fucked.

by Anonymousreply 70June 17, 2021 12:50 PM

I know this Lin- Manuel Miranda is married to a woman but I still don't think he's HETEROSEXUAL.

by Anonymousreply 71June 17, 2021 12:59 PM

[quote] Despite having faced similar criticism in his previous hit, 2018's Crazy Rich Asians, (Director) Chu....

What was the "similar criticism" on Crazy Rich Asians? That there weren't dark skinned Asians?

by Anonymousreply 72June 17, 2021 1:06 PM

This is news to anyone who isn't Latinx.

by Anonymousreply 73June 17, 2021 1:52 PM

R70, even during that Colbert interview he tried to help her out and she kept on going, making it worse. The only person that didn't know she'd catch hell for this was her.

R66, Yes, I'm sure no one will make another Latino movie again because people had an issue with this one! Stop sounding stupid. The road to gay hell is paved with shitty gay movies. That doesn't stop people from trying to make them and every now and then there's a good one.

John Leguizamo got into trouble, not too long ago, because he said he wanted a Latino super hero movie. People pointed out that Spiderman: Into the Spider-Verse existed. He didn't acknowledge it. Spiderman: Into the Spider-Verse was about an Afro-Latino Spiderman. It was budgeted at $90 million, grossed $375 million, and was nominated for an Academy Award but because he's not light, he apparently didn't count.

by Anonymousreply 74June 17, 2021 2:00 PM

I'm only here for the pinga.

by Anonymousreply 75June 17, 2021 2:20 PM

R75

Aren't we all, honey?

by Anonymousreply 76June 17, 2021 2:22 PM

r41 Not me.

by Anonymousreply 77June 17, 2021 2:49 PM

I went back to the gym recently after the Covid closedowns. In the locker room I was reminded how beautiful brown pinga is.

by Anonymousreply 78June 17, 2021 3:18 PM

[quote] an afro-latina was one of the leads. A black man was another lead. Hamilton gave way to 3 AA getting Tony's. I think they are turning on the wrong person. The whole thing is insane.

Live by the WOKE. Die by the WOKE.

Interesting experience, R67. That's how fucked up this whole obsession with color is.

Rofl R71. Way to keep us all on topic!

by Anonymousreply 79June 17, 2021 4:20 PM

We need a government body, or perhaps private agency, to pass on all works of art before they are made public.

by Anonymousreply 80June 17, 2021 4:28 PM

Rita Moreno looks like a latiña version of Jane Fonda.

by Anonymousreply 81June 17, 2021 6:11 PM

In showbiz these days, you can't be too thin or too dark.

by Anonymousreply 82June 17, 2021 6:36 PM

R81 in Spanish, would her name sound more like “Hane” Fonda?

by Anonymousreply 83June 17, 2021 8:01 PM

^^ it would be “Juana”, I believe.

by Anonymousreply 84June 17, 2021 8:08 PM

^^ pronounced “HWA-nah”.

Not “wanna”

by Anonymousreply 85June 17, 2021 8:09 PM

Oh my stars. The funniest part is his therapist-talk. “I hear your hurt”.

by Anonymousreply 86June 17, 2021 8:10 PM

Blacks are always complaining about something, real or imaginary. One subject they never, ever complain or mention, black criminal activities. They just love their criminals.

by Anonymousreply 87June 17, 2021 8:24 PM

^ Wow , that's racist, even for DL...

by Anonymousreply 88June 17, 2021 8:25 PM

This is all getting so fucking tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 89June 17, 2021 8:26 PM

Has John Leguizamo had anything to say? Rosie Perez? Those guys have been around for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 90June 17, 2021 8:38 PM

Leguizamo looks white.

Rosie Perez looks mixed, but she's still rather fair.

Not sure which dark skinned Latino could speak to this controversy, because I honestly can't think of anyone!

by Anonymousreply 91June 17, 2021 8:40 PM

There’s no tit big enough in the world for some people.

The head of the snake eating itself while the rest of the world rolls their eyes and stops paying attention completely. Congrats on the progress.

by Anonymousreply 92June 17, 2021 8:51 PM

Why R88 ? Its the truth .In my city last weekend we had 2 shootings and a stabbing,all by black teens under 16 . And lets not even talk about Chicago. I feel so sorry for the good folks there caught up in that hell scape . And let me tell you what I know for a fact .Latin people very much look down on darker skinned people. Always have. My family is Cuban and theres a shitload of them ,and not once did they ever marry anyone dark skinned . Thats out of dozens of cousins,aunts,uncles etc. They even call themselves "white " cubans. On another thread it was said Cuba is like 32% black and I said my uncle said its more like 75% black now .Thats because all the "white" cubans fled . I loathe LMM but in his defense he may not even have been aware he had that prejudice ,its so endemic to the latin world.

by Anonymousreply 93June 17, 2021 9:03 PM

[quote]Not sure which dark skinned Latino could speak to this controversy, because I honestly can't think of anyone!

I think because so many people don't realize that some of the actors they view as African American are actually Afro-Latino like Tessa Thompson, Laz Alonso, Jharrell Jerome, Zoe Saldana and Colman Domingo.

by Anonymousreply 94June 17, 2021 9:10 PM

Even Sammy Sosa doesn't want to be a black Latino!

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by Anonymousreply 95June 17, 2021 9:12 PM

Sammy Sosa is exactly the kind of mental illness that is bred by discrimination.

The fact that someone would do something so drastic to their body, to look like someone else, because other people look down on them, is just insane.

Michael Jackson was the same way.

Discrimination is a fucking scourge on our planet.

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by Anonymousreply 96June 17, 2021 9:15 PM

I remember when black twitter went after Zoë Saldaña for playing Mexican-American activist Dolores Huerta. They accused her of trying to denounce her black skin. LOL Never mind Dolores pick her herself. Black twitter is inherently racist.

by Anonymousreply 97June 17, 2021 9:15 PM

Who's going to be left to do press for 'West Side Story' if Rita is seen as a loose cannon, and Spielberg still wants is to forget the Ansel kid is in it?

by Anonymousreply 98June 17, 2021 9:25 PM

R97 Rosario Dawson played Dolores Huerta. You might be thinking of Zoe playing Nina Simone. Black Twitter did go after her for that, but she did wear blackface in a hot garbage biography.

by Anonymousreply 99June 17, 2021 9:34 PM

West Side Story has Ariana DeBose uh oh.... she is light skinned.

Has anyone check on poor Leslie Grace?? Poor girl. She must feel attacked from all sides when all she wanted to do be a movie star.

by Anonymousreply 100June 17, 2021 9:34 PM

The world doesn’t revolve around the entertainment industry. Go focus your efforts on Congress.

by Anonymousreply 101June 17, 2021 9:44 PM

What's the difference between latino and latinx? Is it seen now that latino is a demeaning term? Why?

by Anonymousreply 102June 17, 2021 9:48 PM

Rita had better apologize, lest West Side Story producers pull a Christopher Plummer and replace her ass!

by Anonymousreply 103June 17, 2021 9:56 PM

Latinos really hurt themselves by attacking LMM and not supporting In the Heights. Hollywood won't make another Latin-centric film for the foreseeable future after the movie tanked. JLo will be hurt by the backlash also, especially after Hustlers flopped.

The black community supports movies geared toward them, which is why you see so many movies aimed at black audiences and why so many traditionally white roles are being casted with black actors. Also, Asians turned out in droves to support Crazy Rich Asians.

by Anonymousreply 104June 17, 2021 9:56 PM

LLM should have put Black Cindy or that nice big girl Tasty in his movie instead of Daya. And was that Sosa at the start of the film asking directions?

by Anonymousreply 105June 17, 2021 10:01 PM

[quote] Not sure which dark skinned Latino could speak to this controversy, because I honestly can't think of anyone!

Ahem...

by Anonymousreply 106June 17, 2021 10:02 PM

R102 Because Spanish is gendered there is Latino for male and Latina for female, Latinx was an attempt to update it and neuter the gender like waitperson or mailperson.. Apparently, no one consulted the community and they were pissed and seem to have whole heartedly dismissed it despite the good intentions.

by Anonymousreply 107June 17, 2021 10:05 PM

“ The black community supports movies geared toward them, which is why you see so many movies aimed at black audiences”

Someone had better tell the “black audiences” because they don’t seem to think they’re being represented or respected.

by Anonymousreply 108June 17, 2021 10:12 PM

^^ Tyler Perry notwithstanding.

by Anonymousreply 109June 17, 2021 10:12 PM

Poor LMM.

I hope he's not too SHOOK from all the WOKE backlash aimed at him!

Bwahahahaha.

by Anonymousreply 110June 17, 2021 11:09 PM

[quote]Not sure which dark skinned Latino could speak to this controversy, because I honestly can't think of anyone!

As R106 said Gina Torres.

Also Yaya DaCosta, Zoe Saldana, Tatiana M. Ali, Laz Alanzo, Rosario Dawson, Meagan Good, Christina Milian, Sheila E, I'll stop.

[quote]Latinos really hurt themselves by attacking LMM and not supporting In the Heights

This is far from the only Latino movie ever made and no one will stop trying to appeal to a large segment of the population.

by Anonymousreply 111June 17, 2021 11:31 PM

The irony of the 1960s West Side Story is that the two white people in it sucked. No chemistry. Natalie Wood couldn't sing and the other guy was never heard of again.

Compare to the two hot Latin supporting actors who played Bernardo and Anita. No one can forget Rita Moreno -- she was so dynamic in her role. And Bernardo was smoking hot.

by Anonymousreply 112June 17, 2021 11:52 PM

[quote]I understand that the producers of "West Side Story" are trying to colorize their actors in post-production.

For those who don't know, the character of Anybodys is now played by a trans or enby or something.

I don't know if they've rewritten the character as such, but the actxr isn't a woman.

by Anonymousreply 113June 18, 2021 12:06 AM

So let me get this straight: only Latinos with the “right” skin tone should be getting the roles?

You can’t even make this shit up.

by Anonymousreply 114June 18, 2021 12:38 AM

[quote]Apparently, no one consulted the community and they were pissed and seem to have whole heartedly dismissed it despite the good intentions.

It's seen as kind of a form of cultural imperialism, enforcing English rules on Spanish. They have a very good point about that.

by Anonymousreply 115June 18, 2021 12:48 AM

Remember in the early 2000s when it seemed like everyone was having a destination wedding in the Dominican Republic. Is it still popular?

by Anonymousreply 116June 18, 2021 1:43 AM

Will BLM be leading a march to LMM’s Castle Village multiple unit home and demanding that he do more for representation?

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by Anonymousreply 117June 18, 2021 1:51 AM

Henry was hot in Crazy Rich Asians. I also loved his speaking voice.

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by Anonymousreply 118June 18, 2021 2:11 AM

I don't buy LMM apologizing for his oversights and lack of inclusion. I say he knew all along. Casting the leads in big studio films involves boatloads of research and is not a random process. He was probably told "The darker your leads are, the less money ITH will make. And if you want us to produce your next project, let's make sure this one makes us some money."

And btw, r20 for the win lol.

by Anonymousreply 119June 18, 2021 2:33 AM

[quote] Yaya DaCosta, Zoe Saldana, Tatiana M. Ali, Laz Alanzo, Rosario Dawson, Meagan Good, Christina Milian, Sheila E, I'll stop.

Most people would only recognize two names from your list.

Zoe Saldana and Rosario Dawson.

Sorry, but Hollywood truly doesn't do well in hiring dark skinned Latinos.

by Anonymousreply 120June 18, 2021 6:42 AM

[quote] I don't buy LMM apologizing for his oversights and lack of inclusion. I say he knew all along. Casting the leads in big studio films involves boatloads of research and is not a random process. He was probably told "The darker your leads are, the less money ITH will make. And if you want us to produce your next project, let's make sure this one makes us some money."

But he did cast two blacks for the leads. Two out of the four leads were black/Afro-Latina. How is this an oversight or lack of inclusion when half the leads are black? Was two out of four not good enough? What do they want? All four leads to be black?

by Anonymousreply 121June 18, 2021 7:13 AM

We won’t see it unless all the roles are performed by black actors.

The DARK kind.

by Anonymousreply 122June 18, 2021 11:02 AM

[quote] Two out of the four leads were black/Afro-Latina. How is this an oversight or lack of inclusion when half the leads are black? Was two out of four not good enough? What do they want? All four leads to be black?

Yes, and they must be black as the raven’s wing at midnight.

by Anonymousreply 123June 18, 2021 11:47 AM

Why wasn't I cast? I'm as dark as night.

by Anonymousreply 124June 18, 2021 3:47 PM

Most of these were white-passing? Um - no they weren't. The only one MAYBE was the Mexican actress but even then, nah, she was clearly Latino heritage. (Looked a lot like Madonna's daughter IMO).

by Anonymousreply 125June 18, 2021 3:57 PM

Funny r125. When black people think a mixed-race person is white-passing, white people are always like "um, NO. We can tell."

by Anonymousreply 126June 18, 2021 4:21 PM

Well, the good news is we didn’t have to watch Cynthia Erivo in this disaster.

by Anonymousreply 127June 18, 2021 4:50 PM

[quote]Most people would only recognize two names from your list.

Actually, I think a lot of them are age-dependent. Christina was pretty popular in the early to mid 00s. Most people my age would know who they are, except for Sheila E probably.

I can't believe you're doing Ashley from The Fresh Prince of Bel Air like this!

And Yaya has been on Chicago Med for years and just recently left. She got her start on America's Next Top Model and somehow successfully went into acting. She played Whitney once.

My only point was, dark-skinned latinos exist in entertainment. It's not like there are NO actors.

by Anonymousreply 128June 18, 2021 4:57 PM

[quote] When black people think a mixed-race person is white-passing, white people are always like "um, NO. We can tell."

The answer to this should be obvious.

It's all about perspective.

Black people will naturally think that anyone lighter than they are, would be considered "white passing."

Whereas, white people consider only WASPS and Northern Europeans to be white.

That's why this whole race and color thing is ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 129June 18, 2021 5:32 PM

R126 - no, it's because we have eyes. Are we supposed to think this guy is going to be confused with a white guy? Yes, he has green or hazel eyes. But this guy does not look European.

To say he is white-passing is really disingenuous.

Point to others in In the Heights that are white-passing? I'm scratching my head over a single one.

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by Anonymousreply 130June 18, 2021 5:34 PM

R130, I think it's more a matter of casting dark-skinned Latinos, and not about white-passing.

I think these Latinos of a darker shade are asking for more representation, ESPECIALLY in a film about an area where the majority of the people are dark skinned Latinos.

It seems pretty obvious that when people think "Latino," they think Jennifer Lopez or Ricky Martin, etc. All fairer skinned people with European features.

Finally, a film comes along about Washington Heights, where darker Dominicans and Puerto Ricans could possibly be represented in a mainstream movie. Even more so, by a supposedly "Woke" director like LMM, who might actually "get it."

So when this did not materialize, they were naturally disappointed. LMM went the Hollywood route, casting (as usual) lighter skinned Latinos as main characters.

Again, it's not being about "white passing." It's about making the characters in the movie, represent the actual people they are supposed to be portraying, and not some "white washed" version of it.

That's the crux of the uproar.

by Anonymousreply 131June 18, 2021 5:42 PM

In the stage version were the players Afro-Latiño?

by Anonymousreply 132June 18, 2021 7:22 PM

R131 - this is a direct quote from OP's post:

“As a Black woman of Cuban descent specifically from New York City, it would be remiss of me to not acknowledge the fact that most of your principal actors were light-skinned or white-passing Latinx people,”

I still contend there were no white-passing Latinos in the film. None. Am I supposed to think this woman is white-passing and doesn't represent Afro-Latino in the film?

He did not use white-passing Latinos. And, there are only so many stories you can tell in a couple of hours without completely derailing the film. There also is a black actor in the film and, in the musical, there was tension between the Rosario's father not wanting her to date a black man. That was taken out of the film. It would be hard to have black actors and Black Latinos, there may be some confusion without going into a whole thing about shadism and racism within the Latino community.

That just derails the project. There were reasons for everything he did - the biggest fault was making the main character Dominican, which he felt he had to do since it was based in Washington Heights. But HE was the Dominican in the play - he wrote this so he could have something to play. And there ARE lighter skinned Dominicans.

I understand all of this - but this is a separate issue that needs to be addressed somewhere else. No need to divide the Latino communities within the project when they don't have much representation as it is.

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by Anonymousreply 133June 18, 2021 7:34 PM

ITH is the best reviewed film of the year, so if it doesn't get multiple Oscar nominations then there's going to be tons of backlash against the Oscars next year. It should also win at the Golden Globes.

by Anonymousreply 134June 18, 2021 7:54 PM

[quote]Whereas, white people consider only WASPS and Northern Europeans to be white.

White people on Datalounge consider only WASPS and Northern Europeans to be white, not in the real world. Nobody in the real world would think the Irish and French, for example, are anything but white.

by Anonymousreply 135June 18, 2021 8:01 PM

"WASP" is such an archaic term.

by Anonymousreply 136June 18, 2021 8:03 PM

Why aren't there any blasins in the cast? What about Native Americans? WHERE are the Eskimos! Is there ONE bloody set of conjoined twins in this godforsaken cast!

by Anonymousreply 137June 18, 2021 8:04 PM

This should be a lesson to those people in power who chase the woke dollar. It will never be enough. It's better to tell the wokesters to go to hell. They are the least loyal consumers ever. I read a Buzzfeed article saying that Miranda's success is based on Millennials and that Gen Z are just too virtuous to go see and enjoy In the Heights. Can you imagine any article in the past several decades which produced art that was timeless, that says that certain movies can only be enjoyed by a micro generation. That said, I don't feel sorry for Miranda. His apologies are embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 138June 18, 2021 8:06 PM

[quote] And the most hilarious part? While being lighter skinned matters to minorities, white people still don't make that huge a distinction, if any.

And that is a good thing. The most hilarious part to me is that white people in the US are less racist than the Latin American countries immigrants are fleeing from.

by Anonymousreply 139June 18, 2021 8:10 PM

[quote]This should be a lesson to those people in power who chase the woke dollar. It will never be enough. It's better to tell the wokesters to go to hell. They are the least loyal consumers ever.

This is so true. The woke crowd is just in it for the "likes" on social media. They are not the loyal fans who buy tickets and records. Fortunately, I think Hollywood is starting to realize this as I'm seeing more and more celebrities abandon Twitter except to make business related tweets.

by Anonymousreply 140June 18, 2021 8:11 PM

Chrissie Teigen whose brand was built on being inspirational and unconventionally attractive learned the same lesson the hard way.

by Anonymousreply 141June 18, 2021 8:14 PM

R134 I’m confused, was the Golden Globes cancelled from airing on TV, or is the whole event cancelled for next year?

by Anonymousreply 142June 18, 2021 8:37 PM

WTF are you talking about R104? Hustlers was a hit.

by Anonymousreply 143June 18, 2021 9:04 PM

R142 Did they cancel the Globes because it wasn't woke enough or because people stopped watching? I'm inclined to believe it's because of the former.

by Anonymousreply 144June 18, 2021 9:30 PM

LMM was already packing on the pounds.

I wonder if he'll resort to stress eating tubs of ice cream, to deal with the controversy?

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by Anonymousreply 145June 18, 2021 11:39 PM

As opposed to the Irish and French the Italians and Spanish are black as coal.

by Anonymousreply 146June 19, 2021 2:04 AM

There are lots of Irish and French with dark hair and eyes.

by Anonymousreply 147June 19, 2021 2:18 AM

Northern Italians are fair.

by Anonymousreply 148June 19, 2021 2:18 AM

[quote] I wonder if he'll resort to stress eating tubs of ice cream, to deal with the controversy?

Right on!

by Anonymousreply 149June 19, 2021 2:22 AM

The one to be hurt the most from all of this is Anthony Ramos. I never saw 'Hamilton'--never had a desire to see it--but I saw him in the audience of the Kennedy Center Honors during a clip in which Adam Lambert sang 'Believe' for Cher. He (Ramos) had such a nice smile, and was obviously enjoying the performance so much. I had to figure out who he was from the comments on this video. He's at about the 1:05 mark.

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by Anonymousreply 150June 19, 2021 3:56 PM

Anthony Ramos is a light-skinned Latino, so he IS part of the problem!

He can go to HELL, too!

by Anonymousreply 151June 19, 2021 6:50 PM

Anthony Ramos can pass for white??? 😂 😂 😂 😂. He’s hot AF, but also Hispanic AF. I’ve spent a lot of time in Washington heights and Spanish Harlem. Most of the Latinos have a similar skin tone.

by Anonymousreply 152June 19, 2021 6:57 PM

[quote] Anthony Ramos can pass for white???

Absolutely.

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by Anonymousreply 153June 19, 2021 7:04 PM

R51 Give the Nina role to Brittney Cooper! That will make everyone happy!

by Anonymousreply 154June 19, 2021 7:20 PM

But Nina is already played by an Afra-Latina. That isn’t the problem. The problem is that Vanessa, Abuela, and Usnavi aren’t being played by black actors.

by Anonymousreply 155June 19, 2021 7:42 PM

Damn, R130! He sure is ugly! The film did a good job trying to cover that up.

by Anonymousreply 156June 19, 2021 7:43 PM

R156, you think the guy posted at R153 is ugly?

Seems like you're the problem. He's cute.

by Anonymousreply 157June 19, 2021 7:45 PM

Ain't gonna touch dat issue with a 10-ft pole

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by Anonymousreply 158June 19, 2021 7:56 PM

Wow, R158.

And now you know why dark-skinned black people are so pissed.

They had to use ZOE SALDANA to play that part?

I mean, they'd actually have to use a wig and some makeup to make her look "more black."

So why not use a person who is actually RIGHT for that role? Fucking Hollywood.

SMH.

by Anonymousreply 159June 19, 2021 7:58 PM

Bill Maher rips Lin-Manuel Miranda for 'In the Heights' diversity apology: 'This is why people hate Democrats' HBO host urges 'Hamilton' creator and others to stand up to 'bullies' on social media

"Please, stop apologizing. You're the guy who made the Founding Fathers Black and Hispanic!" Maher exclaimed during the show's panel discussion. "I don't think that you have to apologize to Twitter! For f---'s sake. This is why people hate Democrats. It's cringy."

CNN commentator Paul Begala responded by saying the mob "can't seem to distinguish between an oversight and an outrage," pointing to legitimate issues like health and financial disparities between Black and White Americans.

"Those are outrages and liberals ought to be focused on that, not the casting choices of, I think, a heroic guy who's making a film about a minority community, " Begala said.

Maher agreed that people "used to get mad" but what's different with social media is that "people didn't use to grovel and apologize like this."

"Obviously, he felt it was important enough for him to make this apology," Maher explained. "Do I think he really thinks he needs to apologize? I don't. He just wants to avoid the news cycle. I don't blame him, you know. I understand this, but at some point, people are going to have to stand up to these bullies because that's what it is! It's bullying. It's ‘I could make you crawl like a dog and I enjoy it.’"

The "Real Time" host continued, "I mean, he's a Latino making a Latino movie with a Latino cast -- not good enough! Nothing is ever good enough for these people! They're like children. We don't raise our children right and it's reflected in the media. No one ever tells their children, ‘Shut the f--- up, sit down, listen to your elders, stop b----ing.’"

by Anonymousreply 160June 19, 2021 8:21 PM

[quote] I wonder if he'll resort to stress eating tubs of ice cream, to deal with the controversy?

He’ll be eating piragua. He can’t afford ice cream with all these bombs.

by Anonymousreply 161June 19, 2021 8:28 PM

He needs to trim his nasty nose hairs R153.

by Anonymousreply 162June 19, 2021 10:59 PM

I hate Bill Maher. Why do people still watch that cunt?

by Anonymousreply 163June 19, 2021 11:09 PM

R130 In Brazil he would certainly be considered White.

by Anonymousreply 164June 20, 2021 12:10 AM

[quote] I understand this, but at some point, people are going to have to stand up to these bullies because that's what it is! It's bullying. It's ‘I could make you crawl like a dog and I enjoy it.’"

Bill Maher NAILED IT!

That is exactly what Chrissy Tiegen was doing, and that is what she is being CANCELLED for now.

It's so fucking ironic that all these Woke people calling for this cancellation and that cancellation, are being CANCELLED themselves!!!

Bill Maher seems to be the only one who is calling this what it really is: BULLYING.

Fuck WOKENESS and fuck CANCEL CULTURE.

It's time for THEM to be cancelled!

by Anonymousreply 165June 20, 2021 12:17 AM

My question is how can we divide people further? How many more groups can we alienate? I think that's the objective goal. It's clear that this won't end until people who used to be united no longer trust eachother. Miranda felt like he had to apologize because at the end of the day, he's just another cog in the machine. We have to come together to stand up to the bullies because alone, we are all powerless.

by Anonymousreply 166June 20, 2021 12:42 AM

LMM should’ve have known: the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice!!

by Anonymousreply 167June 20, 2021 12:51 AM

R153 Looks like a light skinned African American there.

by Anonymousreply 168June 20, 2021 12:53 AM

[quote] We have to come together to stand up to the bullies because alone, we are all powerless.

We are powerless, powerless. We powerless, powerless.

by Anonymousreply 169June 20, 2021 12:58 AM

I’m too woke…to turn back now

I do believe I’m turning so white now….

by Anonymousreply 170June 20, 2021 1:08 AM

What is an Asian guy doing directing IN THE HEIGHTS anyway?

It should have been made by a Afro-Dominican director with working-class origins.

by Anonymousreply 171June 20, 2021 6:32 PM

Ding Ding Ding R171!!!

Another reason this movie should be CANCELLED!

by Anonymousreply 172June 20, 2021 6:33 PM

More bad news

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by Anonymousreply 173June 20, 2021 9:13 PM

Rofl R173.

This controversy really killed his movie.

Looks like AA's really did send LMM to HELL!!!

by Anonymousreply 174June 20, 2021 9:32 PM

EVERY cast member of EVERY movie MUST be black! As black as can possibly be! Not only that, but everyone who works on every film must be black. Even peripherally. Even then, I’m sure we’ll find something to complain about. You know how we are.

by Anonymousreply 175June 20, 2021 9:48 PM

r119, 2 of his leads were not white latinos. One was Afro latina playing Nina and Benny was black, dark-skinned as opposed to Chris Jackson who is light skinned and played the role on broadway.

50% of his leads were Black so I really don't understand why all the controversy. I really can't figure out why tanking this movie was a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 176June 21, 2021 4:16 AM

r131, it what world does JLO have European features? Ricky Martin is also very latino looking. They are Triqueno and don't pass for white.

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by Anonymousreply 177June 21, 2021 4:28 AM

[quote] 50% of his leads were Black so I really don't understand why all the controversy. I really can't figure out why tanking this movie was a good idea.

But why only 50% when it could have been 75% or even better, 💯%⁉️

by Anonymousreply 178June 21, 2021 6:57 AM

CANCEL THE MOVIE!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 179June 21, 2021 6:59 AM

Any movie that doesn’t have black people in it deserves to be canceled. It’s 2020 for God’s sake!

by Anonymousreply 180June 21, 2021 7:08 AM

This Felice Léon who is doing most of the complaining, she's American, born and raised in NYC. She's more American than African or Latina or Afro-Latina.

by Anonymousreply 181June 21, 2021 7:11 AM

R107, who the fuck are these morons who think they can "update" a language used by half a billion people - a language they themselves barely know or use. These people don't even live in a Spanish-speaking country but in an Anglophone country.

by Anonymousreply 182June 21, 2021 7:16 AM

Is it too early for " Why Lin-Manuel Miranda career go straight down the shitter " thread ?

by Anonymousreply 183June 21, 2021 10:04 AM

I don't know who's worse...the MAGAts, or the wokesters...

by Anonymousreply 184June 21, 2021 12:14 PM

Wokesters, R184.

Definitely.

by Anonymousreply 185June 21, 2021 6:48 PM

[quote] I don't know who's worse...the MAGAts, or the wokesters...

The political spectrum is shaped like a horseshoe.

by Anonymousreply 186June 21, 2021 8:58 PM

[quote]50% of his leads were Black so I really don't understand why all the controversy

It's obvious you don't understand it.

Because you are the first person to ever say, "50% of his leads were black."

That is not accurate.

It's not about being black, it's about being afro-Latino.

If you can't understand why you're wrong or why people just wanted a main cast that actually (in some small way) reflected the population of the area then you're willfully being ignorant.

by Anonymousreply 187June 21, 2021 9:28 PM

Maybe LMM writes music and stories that reflect HIS experience. He's not afro-latino. You don't see Woody Allen films with all black or mostly black casts. And what about Spike Lee? Can't he make movies about the hard, difficult lives of white people? Will Spike direct the new musical biopic "The Karen Carpenter Story" starring Gabourey Sidibe?

by Anonymousreply 188June 21, 2021 9:59 PM

^ I can't wait for Gabby's Oscar worthy death scene, in which she wastes away to a mere 380 lbs while inhaling a big bowl of mashed potatoes and a whole roasted pig.

by Anonymousreply 189June 21, 2021 10:08 PM

[quote]Maybe LMM writes music and stories that reflect HIS experience. He's not afro-latino.

He didn't even write the character he wrote for himself to play as Puerto Rican like he is. He wrote them as Dominican because that's who mostly lives in Washington Heights but they don't generally look like HIM.

[quote]You don't see Woody Allen films with all black or mostly black casts. And what about Spike Lee?

To the whataboutism tactic where you randomly grasp at straws by mentioning random people who don't have anything to do with Lin.

We're talking about Lin today, dear. Focus. Focus. Focus.

by Anonymousreply 190June 21, 2021 11:28 PM

R190 just doesn’t get it.

by Anonymousreply 191June 22, 2021 12:05 AM

So LMM is black? Like Meghan Markle black or Obama black? Or Maya Rudolph black. Just how black is he? Is there a Black-O-Meter or something?

by Anonymousreply 192June 22, 2021 12:46 AM

Ramos doesn’t pass for white, IMO. He’s adorable, but he looks Latino. Just because someone has light skin doesn’t mean they look white. Facial shape, individual features, hair, all add up to a whole.

Rashida Jones can pass.

by Anonymousreply 193June 22, 2021 7:50 AM

I would love to see what this says coming from an actual Dominican, if someone has a subscription can you copy and paste?

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by Anonymousreply 194June 22, 2021 12:26 PM

Well, I hope they are happy. The movie bombed. Hollywood will not make anymore Hispanic centric movies again.

by Anonymousreply 195June 22, 2021 1:06 PM

Just to be clear, if I went to Washington Heights, I would not see anyone that looks like the main cast ?

by Anonymousreply 196June 22, 2021 1:19 PM

"I'm a divorced woman! Please don't cancel me!"

by Anonymousreply 197June 22, 2021 1:22 PM

The movie SHOULD be cancelled not because of a lack of AFRO LATINOS but because this movie

STINKS!

by Anonymousreply 198June 22, 2021 1:26 PM

Rofl R197!

Gotta love a good "Serial Mom" quote!

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by Anonymousreply 199June 22, 2021 6:12 PM

[quote] He didn't even write the character he wrote for himself to play as Puerto Rican like he is. He wrote them as Dominican because that's who mostly lives in Washington Heights but they don't generally look like HIM.

So why didn’t he just set the musical in a fictional town instead of a real place? That would have bypassed all the problems. And the reason he wrote this role for himself is because wanted representation in the media so he created it for himself. So it doesn’t make sense to make the character Dominican instead of Puerto Rican since he’s trying to represent himself and write from what he knows.

by Anonymousreply 200June 22, 2021 7:11 PM

R200, if the play had been set in a fictional place, LMM could not have marketed it to white Broadway audiences as “authentic.” That’s what I’m getting from the complaints about him: he doesn’t have a lot of good will because he exploits generic stereotypes about Latino immigrants and their communities.

by Anonymousreply 201June 22, 2021 7:45 PM

I agree with you R201.

That's the point a few people have been trying to make.

He should have set it somewhere else other than Washington Heights. He should have also let that character he originally played be Puerto Rican and write from that perspective. He could have gotten the representation he wanted that way.

But he made them Dominican and set it in a real place people have been or could go and that's what's really causing all of this. He could have acknowledged the make up of the area and written in a least one Afro-Latino who was Dominican. He didn't do that either.

Had he done, just the first thing even, 90% of this controversy would have NEVER happened.

by Anonymousreply 202June 22, 2021 8:31 PM

"There was no "me" until Spike Lee, R188:"

John Turturro Rosie Perez Giancarlo Esposito

by Anonymousreply 203June 27, 2021 8:09 PM

[quote]He could have acknowledged the make up of the area and written in a least one Afro-Latino who was Dominican. He didn't do that either.

Apparently, one of the leads in the film, Leslie Grace, is indeed Afro-Latino. So, as ridiculous and disgusting as this may be, people are actually objecting to the fact that HER SKIN TONE and that of the other leads ISN'T DARK ENOUGH for them. Absolute incredible.

by Anonymousreply 204June 27, 2021 9:15 PM

We all try to hire about a half past six. Midnight is just too hard to light.

Blame physics, not the always-supportive-of-equality-everywhere entertainment industrial complex, for heaven's sake.

by Anonymousreply 205June 27, 2021 9:29 PM

For his next movie, LMM will be using the paper bag test at casting calls and auditions.

by Anonymousreply 206June 28, 2021 12:08 AM

R206 If he’s smart he’ll use tar paper and only perfect matches.

by Anonymousreply 207June 28, 2021 12:20 AM

Racist threads are insufferable.

by Anonymousreply 208June 28, 2021 12:23 AM

But here we have a 98% latino film and that can't seem like progress.

I'm sick of it all.

by Anonymousreply 209June 28, 2021 6:19 PM

It’s actually a 99.99% Latinx film. The only non-Latinx was the lead black guy.

by Anonymousreply 210June 28, 2021 6:25 PM

r202, he wrote this when he was 19 and lived in that area

I've known an fucked plenty of light-skinned Dominican men. I've been to the Dominican Republic and they are people of different skin tones. Yes, they are racist there and have said more negative things about the darker skinned latinos there but that is not what the story is about. It's about a particular Dominican Usnavi. And if you want a different story, write your own.

I'm tired of people saying you have to be inclusive then saying at the same time you have no right to write about an experience someone has that is not of your own background. People should write what ever they want to write about. Make films about whatever they want to.

Just use your $$ to decide whether it's worthy or not. Don't go see if then but to try and cancel it because YOU didn't see YOU in it and fuck over the rest of the community that saw themselves in it is tiresome and eating your own.

by Anonymousreply 211June 28, 2021 6:25 PM

Amen, R211. Stop the madness!

by Anonymousreply 212June 29, 2021 12:53 AM

I would imagine a lot of Dominicans in Washington Heights are aware of this wider Caribbean context. You'd think LMM would be, too.

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by Anonymousreply 213June 29, 2021 7:36 PM

[quote]I'm tired of people saying you have to be inclusive then saying at the same time you have no right to write about an experience someone has that is not of your own background.

Actually what they're saying is that you should ASK FOR HELP from someone of that background if you're not of that background and you're going to write about it.

You do know people are fully capable of doing research in order to learn more about what they're writing about?

It's not that difficult of a concept.

by Anonymousreply 214June 29, 2021 8:05 PM

[quote]Actually what they're saying is that you should ASK FOR HELP from someone of that background if you're not of that background and you're going to write about it.

SOME people may be saying that, but clearly, others are saying that no one should be allowed to write about a culture other than their own.

by Anonymousreply 215June 29, 2021 8:33 PM

[quote] Actually what they're saying is that you should ASK FOR HELP from someone of that background if you're not of that background and you're going to write about it.

No, that is not what they’re saying at all. Have you been living under a rock? They’re saying white writers can’t write the black experience, even if they do research because that would be cultural appropriation and literal blackface. Now writers rooms with white writers will just avoid including any diversity in their writing to bystep any potential controversy, and it’s what Lin-Manuel should have done.

It’s what The Simpsons have done. No more Apu, no more Dr. Hibbert, no more Carl, since their white writers can’t write for them and the white cast can’t voice them and they’re not going to hire someone just to do some throwaway lines. They’re background characters anyway so now they’re just gone and Springfield is a lot whiter.

by Anonymousreply 216June 29, 2021 11:31 PM

Richard Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein would be totally fucked.

by Anonymousreply 217July 1, 2021 2:29 AM

Oh yeah and George Gershwin and Harold Arlen and ...

by Anonymousreply 218July 1, 2021 2:31 AM
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