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A thread to discuss Father Brown

The Priest cum Detective who has a sharp nose for crime.

Created by the excellent storyteller G. K. Chesterton. Thoughts and ideas?

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by Anonymousreply 638 hours ago

I read several of the C.K.'s original novels... I knew the author was Catholic, but didn't realize how Catholic. Whoa.

The British TV show with Fr. Brown in the 1950s is a very watered down version of the Catholiscism. I do love the character Bunty and appreciate how they cast a truly full-figured actress.

by Anonymousreply 1Last Thursday at 1:20 PM

Father Brown and Doc Martin, 2 of my favorite British TV series.

by Anonymousreply 2Last Thursday at 1:22 PM

I used to live next door to Mark Williams, who plays Father Brown on the TV series.

Lovely guy.

by Anonymousreply 3Last Thursday at 1:24 PM

I've seen every episode of the current (Mark Williams) series, but not a single one of the '70s version. Is it worth watching?

by Anonymousreply 4Last Thursday at 1:27 PM

Kenneth More played him, didn't he in the 70s series?

by Anonymousreply 5Last Thursday at 1:30 PM

The current dopey, cliched, anachronistic, painfully-Politically-Correct show has nothing to do with the evangelising Catholic G. K. Chesterton.

I say anachronistic because there was one episode where the 1920s Catholic priest was praising homosexuals for being homosexual.

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by Anonymousreply 6Last Thursday at 1:30 PM

I liked Kenneth More in the role - more of a murder mystery drama than a soap opera. Other than his wearing priest duds, it wasn't particularly RC.

by Anonymousreply 7Last Thursday at 1:34 PM

r6 The current show is set in the '50s.

by Anonymousreply 8Last Thursday at 1:34 PM

I can't remember the 1970s series at all.

by Anonymousreply 9Last Thursday at 1:39 PM

R8 But the man was born in the 1920s. And Catholics do not keep up or condone current immoral behaviour.

by Anonymousreply 10Last Thursday at 1:40 PM

I got the 70s DVD from the library a couple of years ago.

by Anonymousreply 11Last Thursday at 1:42 PM

This Catholic commentator seems to be saying it's mindless pap.

[quote] the show has little in common with either the letter or the spirit of Chesterton’s yarns…the show is very much of its cultural moment, with themes of feminist and gay consciousness and the failings of the Church and Christian society woven into the stories. …, this show wants only to be loved.

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by Anonymousreply 12Last Thursday at 1:43 PM

R11 Did you like it?

by Anonymousreply 13Last Thursday at 1:46 PM

[quote] Created by the excellent storyteller G. K. Chesterton

OP; what other G. K. Chesterton stories have you read?

by Anonymousreply 14Last Thursday at 1:48 PM

The 70s More vids are closer to Agatha Christie than the modern ones that seem closer to Agatha Raisin.

by Anonymousreply 15Last Thursday at 1:53 PM

I guess r6 would rather see homophobic Catholic shit than anything (gasp!) politically correct

by Anonymousreply 16Last Thursday at 1:54 PM

R12, who cares what homophobic, conservative religious fanatics think?

by Anonymousreply 17Last Thursday at 1:55 PM

Yes, R17, we want mindless entertainment in lovely color with atresses wearing nice skirts.

by Anonymousreply 18Last Thursday at 1:58 PM

I wish I could remember the episode in which Father Brown was being held against his will. His captor was waving around a glass of wine and perhaps going to offer it but instead cruelly whisked it away. Poor Father Brown's crestfallen face! I loved that little moment showing his very human greed for a tipple.

by Anonymousreply 19Last Thursday at 2:00 PM

Mark Williams had that great scene in Shakespeare in Love: “T-t-t (pause) Two households! Both alike in dignity…”

I admit it, I cried.

by Anonymousreply 20Last Thursday at 2:18 PM

Father Brown knows.

by Anonymousreply 21Last Thursday at 2:19 PM

I only watch it for Jack Deam who I have loved ever since The Life and Times of Henry Pratt .

by Anonymousreply 22Last Thursday at 2:23 PM

Is he the dishy chauffeur?

by Anonymousreply 23Last Thursday at 2:26 PM

“Cum detective?”

by Anonymousreply 24Last Thursday at 2:28 PM

r22 No--he's the police guy.

by Anonymousreply 25Last Thursday at 2:29 PM

Hugo Speer, from "The Full Monty" was the original police guy. And also hottie Tom Chambers.

by Anonymousreply 26Last Thursday at 2:33 PM

I enjoy the show (never touched the novels)... they're a nice bit of revisionist fluff. Father Brown is basically a hippy priest, ok with anything that's not harming anyone else.

by Anonymousreply 27Last Thursday at 3:40 PM

I can’t believe Bunty didn’t return to Albert Square when her mother Tina died.

by Anonymousreply 28Last Thursday at 7:15 PM

Glad this thread got started. I am here for John Light, the country house porn and all the village nutters!

R28 - When did Bunty's mother die?

by Anonymousreply 29Last Friday at 7:40 AM

The police guy doesn’t fit in the ensemble acting. It’s like he’s from another show.

by Anonymousreply 30Yesterday at 5:09 AM

R30, I agree... he's far too broad in his comedy and written as a fool. Not the actor's fault, he's been doing it for ages... show runner and others want him to perform in this manner.

by Anonymousreply 31Yesterday at 9:50 AM

R29 In her early 20s Emer Kenny spent a year playing Danny Dyer’s niece, Zsa Zsa, on EastEnders. Her onscreen lesbian mother was murdered and her body hidden over Christmas/New Year by a domestic abuser turned serial killer.

She doesn’t just have the body of a bombshell, she’s a writer too. She was the youngest person admitted into the BBC Writers Academy and has written for several TV shows including an upcoming Val McDermid adaptation.

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by Anonymousreply 32Yesterday at 1:19 PM

I’ve only watched a couple of episodes, but it struck me as odd as it seemed to be set in some sort of alternative universe 1950’s England where everyone seemed to be Roman Catholic.

by Anonymousreply 33Yesterday at 1:23 PM

R30 and R31 I like Insp. Mallory because he hates everyone equally. I think Jack Deam plays him really well and the times when his hard exterior belies a soft side are a nice treat.

by Anonymousreply 34Yesterday at 1:58 PM

I like Jack Deam too. The episode where Hugo Speer and Tom Chambers returned and he complained about their handsomeness and square jaws was so funny.

by Anonymousreply 35Yesterday at 2:08 PM

Jack Deam manages to play both the humanity of the character and the melodrama villain. I loved the episode where it appeared that Father Brown and Inspector Mallory were going to die and Inspector Mallory confessed that he still hated Father Brown's guts. I would really love to see him in some of the old Todd Slaughter melodramas.

by Anonymousreply 36Yesterday at 2:19 PM

The episode where the Nazi She-Devil was going to shoot them and she dies. The look on Mallorys face when he thinks Father Brown summoned the vengeance of God to save them cracks me up every time I see it.

by Anonymousreply 37Yesterday at 2:28 PM

Did anyone else find the books disappointing? I tried a couple, and "The Man Who Was Thursday", and was underwhelmed.

by Anonymousreply 38Yesterday at 2:36 PM

R38 That's probably because you expected the original to be as mindlessly saccharine and simplistic as the TV show.

by Anonymousreply 39Yesterday at 3:49 PM

I just watched the first of the modern Father Brown episodes, which bears NO resemblance to the Kenneth More ones at all! Possible, but hard to believe that there'd be enough RC to support a parish in a town that size. The More ones were on filmed, not video, and more or less stood on their own without a group of recurring characters.

The policeman here was definitely good looking, but the blacksmith was hot AF!!! Fr. Brown's pro-gay bit seemed really out of place for now, let alone 50s Britain!

by Anonymousreply 40a day ago

It’s a confection, not unlike Agatha Christie, and isn’t meant to represent the world as is/or even as was.

There weren’t that many grand houses with scores of servants and so many people living in houses they owned and existing on a private income and doing nothing but roam around the village all day gossiping even in the 1930s.

But Agatha Christie’s universe has entered the collective unconscious and we are all the better for it.

by Anonymousreply 41a day ago

I tried reading a compendium of the stories, but as an atheist, I couldn't get into a priest who knows all.

by Anonymousreply 42a day ago

[quote] I tried reading a compendium of the stories

So are you enjoying the current colourful, simple-minded comedy series?

by Anonymousreply 43a day ago

R39 I've never seen the TV show, but will take your profoundly un-saccharine and erudite word for it.

by Anonymousreply 44a day ago

The Murdoch Mysteries is in the same vein. Every public figure you have ever heard of visited 1890s-1900s Toronto and became involved in a murder investigation. There are high ranking female scientists including multiple women of colour, police act with compassion and sorrow to gender-non-conforming victims, barely bat an eyelid at quietly gay lovers and treat sex workers with clear eyed respect. The lead detective is also a Catholic. It’s perfect rainy day, tea-time viewing.

There is a touch of the High Anglican Barbara Pym to the Father Brown TV series. And one of their regular writers adapted the Agatha Raisin books for radio, starring Penelope Keith, which is as funny as but snappier than the books. Fun fact: standing in for Kembleford is Blockley, which was the Cotswolds home village of Agatha Raisin author M.C. Beaton.

by Anonymousreply 45a day ago

The show is a lot of silly, kind of fluffy fun, but I would say read the books too. They are a little stranger than you might imagine.

by Anonymousreply 46a day ago

And of course the modern show is one of those peaceful and lovely English villages that just happens to have a murder every week. They are fun though.

by Anonymousreply 47a day ago

I don't remember seeing any of the 1970s version with Kenneth More. But I know he was 60 years old and getting fat as he slipped into illness and Parkinson's disease. So I guess in that way he resembled G. K. Chesterton’s intention that Father Brown be 'pudding-faced' , unthreatening and unlike Sherlock Holmes.

by Anonymousreply 48a day ago

Coincidentally, my partner got it in his head last night that season 8 was a new series; so, we have started to watch them again. Originally, I could not get through a single episode of the new season. I found them just tooooo twee. However, my partner enjoys the series. It was the choir sabotage episode. The writing was dreadful and the plot incredibly slim, but it was worth it to see Inspector Mallory finally listen to his daughter sing.

by Anonymousreply 4915 hours ago

Kenneth More was not fat as Father Brown; you're confusing him with the modern actor.

by Anonymousreply 5014 hours ago

I hate Inspector Mallory. He was introduced as a nasty bully and stayed that way (except for a few moments where the story required him to show a bit of humble personality). I mean, he's on the show for most of the show's run and still freaks out whenever "the padre" shows up. He didn't mellow down one bit. Still a nasty, condescending bully refusing to even acknowledge, or give credit to, Father Brown's high success rate of solving local crimes.

by Anonymousreply 5113 hours ago

Chesterton was a Jesuit.

He wanted his stories to demonstrate that sinners should be aware of 'the Hammer of God'.

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by Anonymousreply 5213 hours ago

R43 is Michael Coren.

by Anonymousreply 5313 hours ago

R51, that is kind of the point. As I mentioned up thread, even at the point of death, he expresses his hatred of Father Brown. In spite of the humanity Jack Deam brings to him, the character is a irredeemable bully. The character makes a nice counterpoint to the art thief, Flambeau, who keeps protesting his lack of a soul, yet, by his actions, shows that his salvation is a possibility.

by Anonymousreply 5412 hours ago

Mmm, John Light. What a beautiful body.

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by Anonymousreply 5512 hours ago

^^^The fuck is that hot shit going on there?

by Anonymousreply 5611 hours ago

I like Mallory, though perhaps because to me he suits up well; the nastiness comes across as butch to me.

by Anonymousreply 5711 hours ago

R56... oh God, it's a few snaps from a production of Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream." John Light played Oberon and the young actor in the pics is the character Puck.

by Anonymousreply 589 hours ago

I’m here for the cars. They’re the best part of the show.

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by Anonymousreply 599 hours ago

I haven't picked up on the claimed religiosity of this program.

by Anonymousreply 609 hours ago

I wonder what's under that codpiece at R55.

by Anonymousreply 618 hours ago

[quote]The Priest cum

Pics please.

by Anonymousreply 628 hours ago

[quote]I wonder what's under that codpiece

A cod?

by Anonymousreply 638 hours ago
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