Revisiting "Brokeback Mountain" 16 Years Later

It's a depressing bi film which bisexual men who identify as gay have marketed as a 100% gay film. Datalounge especially which is full of bisexual men identifying as gay push this film so hard as a "gay" film. There are tons of fucking low IQ, unintelligent, duplicitous, bi, queer, and trans narcissists on this website.

OP, Brokeback Mountain is a fucking horrible, depressing bi film, about horrible and cowardly bi men. Even the Director of Brokeback Mountain admitted it was bad!

Did nothing for me then and it still holds true today.

R1 Bad day, dear?

R1 Ang Lee never said the film was bad. In fact, he said he was very disappointed it didn't win Best Picture.

I just can't watch it again. I have tried. And I've never had the same relationship with my tire iron ever since.

The Film Was Bisexual!

Loved it in a sad way but wouldn't watch again. Also, would have loved a heads up before seeing Anne Hathaway's goose neck boobs.

R1 every word in your post is pure BS. See R4. Also, it isn’t about bi men, nor is DL full of bi men. The movie is about the soul crushing effect a fiercely homophobic world has on gay men caught up in it. It is a depressing story, but that is the point.

R8 READ AND GET SOME AWARENESS CUNTFACE!

R1 seems unaware that the film begins in 1963 and ends in the mid 1970s.

In 1963 Wyoming, homosexuality wasn't exactly embraced.

I remember when the film was released, Focus Features created a website that featured a section where people could comment on the film. I was amazed and moved by the number of comments from men, many married and with families, who said they had had ongoing secret relationships similar to Jack's and Ennis' and how the film had impacted them.

Bisexual, Not Gay!

I still don't know what "Stemming the Rose" means.

It was clearly intended to be marketed towards straight people. The sex scenes are lame cop outs. And no way would they have done anal the first time (you can tell straight people wrote it from that alone). Two ripe cowboys exploring each other had a lot of possibilities. Instead we got saddled with that frumpy dishrag Michelle Williams played. The wife should have been more bitchy and vindictive. Anne was the best part.

A remake in this day and age would be nice. Perhaps with Matt Bomer and Ricky Martin playing the cowboys. There's a ton of gay directors who could give this the honest treatment it merits. Poor Ang Lee. He tried.

R8 and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad DAy

R12 Pretty sure it means fucking.

R10 nice job dismissing the evidence and facts that the Film is not about gay men or homosexuality. It's bisexual from start to finish! You idiots continue to avoid facts, details, and evidence.

Great, groundbreaking movie. Should have won the Oscar for Best Picture instead of that horrible Crash.

I support bisexuals but blocked that troll as he was merely reposting the same remark. Probably not even bisexual just an old school troll.

And Jane is still in the closet.

Ooops, excuse the typo "Jake " is still in the closet.

R16 is very, very upset today,

A bi film is a gay film to straights.

And it was beautiful. Heath Ledger deserved that Oscar.

It's too sad. I've only seen it once. Heath Ledger is transcendent though and did the character great justice.

The Bi Troll is at it again. Block the idiot. The film is so clearly about two repressed gay men trying to fit into a str8 and cruel society

Also, Michelle Williams should have won that year too. She was terrific.

r24 exactly. And not only that, it was set in the early 60s! Were they gonna be out and proud? They would have been murdered, which happened to one anyway.

R24 read the links posted you absolute fucking retarded dyslexic moron.

Links providing discussions by whom? Idiots like yourself.

The scene where Heath is eating alone in the diner after hearing of Jack's death and the woman he had been dating comes in and sees him is just amazing. You can feel Ennis' pain - he's hunched over, can't even look up at the woman. He is completely broken. Ledger definitely should have gotten the Oscar that year.

I mean, who has anal sex without lube? Totally unrealistic.

It's a Bisexual Film!

Jake was the bottom.

[quote]The film is so clearly about two repressed gay men trying to fit into a str8 and cruel society

I'd never read the interpretation before that they were "bi." I clearly agree with you, r24.

[quote]And not only that, it was set in the early 60s! Were they gonna be out and proud?

It starts in the '60s, but ends in the '70s. At least, I think that's the timeline. Obviously they weren't going to be out and proud in Wyoming. I used to wish they'd moved to San Francisco, but I don't know if that would have been possible for them. OTOH, I knew in the 1960s that I was going to have to live in New York when I grew up if I wanted to have any kind of gay life.

[quote]In 1963 Wyoming, homosexuality wasn't exactly embraced.

The 1990s weren't much better.

I recently viewed it again and was deeply moved, especially the final scenes.

I was equally moved by God's Own Country.

I know, "Mary!"

None of you read all the links posted, IMPLICITLY stating they were bisexual men in Brokeback Mountain. You lot are fucking pathetic and the most dishonest and disingenuous group of grifters online of offline.

R36 DO fuck of, you mentally ill twit.

Homosexuality was not embraced anywhere in this country besides San Francisco, and even there they had pushback.

NYC has been another victim of revisionism. Gays could be out here but they were not embraced here. Thank God there were gay men who started their own businesses and areas so gay people can exist, and those spaces were always under attack by the government and Police. But this idea you were embraced is bullshit.

10 years ago gays were still reviled.

"Stemming the rose" is a metaphor for anal sex.

The dick is the stem and the anus is the rose.

Flawless script, great performances, gorgeous photography, haunting score . . . heartbreaking, memorable, nearly unbearable.

And robbed at the Oscars by the cowards in the business.

They were not bisexual though. They were both gay men who wanted to be with each other but couldn't because they knew what would happen. They felt they had no choice but to marry women and start families, something that still seems to be a part of white America. You even see it on here, a man getting questioned for his sexuality if he is over 30 and not married. White gays are just as guilty for pushing that straight normality as anyone.

R34, you know that was a drug deal gone bad, right? Shepard wasn't some innocent young flower.

BISEXUAL.

Of the four main actors, I thought Jake was the weak link.

Next to the last scene, the one that got me the most was when Anne is on the phone with Heath, telling him that Jake has died. There is so much that is NOT said in that scene.

Agree entirely.

I could not agree more.

r44 there was a thread about that one scene on here a couple of years ago. Hathaway is still asked about that scene to this day.

Jake G is always the weak link and I felt he was terrible in a handful of scenes, and ruined some parts. The role should have went to a more sympathetic actor, but most actors didn't wanna touch this.

Anne's wig was grotesque. Ledger's mumbling was distracting. Bored with it the first time and cant imagine enduring it again.

"When someone mentions Brokeback Mountain, do you think “the movie about the gay cowboys” or do you think “the movie about the bisexual cowboys?” If you think the former, you’ve just provided an example of how well bi-erasure operates."

It's a nice film, but at this point I'm tired of fiction about gays suffering because they're gay (it's kinda selfish on my part, I know). I want to see stories with gay characters which doesn't revolve around acceptance of their sexuality. Thankfully, the literary market is starting to catch up on this.

"For anyone who has doubts about putting Brokeback in a bisexual category at all, keep in mind this is a film about two men who sleep with both men and women. Heath Ledger told Time, "I don't think Ennis could be labeled as gay. Without Jack Twist, I don't know that he ever would have come out.... I think the whole point was that it was two souls that fell in love with each other." Whereas Gyllenhaal says he just thinks they were two straight guys who fell in love. I think overall it's fair to put these guys in an ambiguous category, and, hey, we're an ambiguous category if I've ever seen one!"

"Films and TV have a hard time depicting things outside the boxes of "straight" or "gay." Both characters in Brokeback Mountain, for instance, could be seen as bisexual, but instead were portrayed as closeted gays and sold to the public that way."

There are no questions that it is one of the best gay movies of all time, if not the best. It takes place in the 60s in rural areas in which most gay men had to marry women to conceal their sexuality. They are gay and the film stays true to the reality back then. I’m still pissed that it didn’t win the best picture thanks to those homophobes at the academy.

I agree downer gay films are not my favorites but this one is a good example of what it was/is like for gay men in conservative locales, those who work in masc jobs and feel obliged to interact with deplorables. Its an important film IMO.

I question whether it is any good or not, never mind the absurd claim that it is “one of the best gay movies of all time.” It is pandering crap. It’s also sluggish and poorly paced, not to mention self-loathing.

[italic]God’s Own Country[/italic] is its superior in every way, effectively making this trash film permanently obsolete.

"Another woman wrote on Facebook that, of all the films that have dealt with bisexuality, she liked this film second after Brokeback Mountain."

American gay movies are crap compared to ones made by the UK, Europe, and Asia.

It's very problematic and should be canceled. There's no trans and little POC representation (Jack does go to Mexico so there's that). And there's gendered pronouns all the fuck over the place. Literal. Violence.

Now you're being ridiculous.

None of this changes the fact that one of the stars made [italic]Bubble Boy[/italic].

R58 was being sarcastic

I was being sarcastic. I thought that was obvious.

The film is problematic, but not for those reasons.

Not obvious after the Bi Troll tonteria.

Randy Quaid will always be Cousin Eddie to me.

They're not fucking bisexual. They're closeted gay men who feel pressured/forced to be with women for "cover" in order to live life in a virulently homophobic world. This is clear in many ways, as Ennis can only have sex with his wife "from the back" (probably has to fantasize she's Jack to get hard and cum), and his lack luster desire for his "dates" and "wife", and his UTTER LACK OF PERSUING WOMEN.

The dumbass bi freak needs to pipe the fuck down. Before liberation, gay men routinely had sex with women out of necessity and survival. That didn't make them BI. Being BISEXUAL is about DESIRE. And Ennis desired Jack. And Jack desired MEN.

"Easily one of the greatest films of the last twenty years, Brokeback Mountain tells the story of two sheep hoarders who begin a relationship over a summer. Although their sexualities are never labeled in the movie, both Jack and Ennis are shown marrying women and starting families with them."

Bi Troll? Bi Nasty!

"Easily one of the greatest films of the last twenty years, Brokeback Mountain tells the story of two sheep hoarders who begin a relationship over a summer. Although their sexualities are never labeled in the movie, both Jack and Ennis are shown marrying women and starting families with them."

One of the greatest movies of the last 20 years? The last 20 years have been the worst years for movies since they were invented. Even then, you still couldn’t beat the guy who wrote his best work for Mindy Cohn. Even her gay movie was better though it was no Oscar winner.

Die Bi Troll. DIE.

You realize this thread is about the movie and not a discussion board about homosexuality vs. bisexuality. Geez, gurlz.

This bi troll needs to go away. You are annoying

R71: Now you sound just like the hate criminals in this movie. If it wasn’t for the amount of money they spend on location scenery, this would be just another shitty “bury your gays“ melodrama.

I’ve seen less patronizing depictions of same-sex intimacy in Ricky Schroder movies.

R74 Okay, honey. We get it. You hate the movie. So kindly please exit this thread and go about your miserable life.

"Brokeback Mountain is a fictional mountain in the United States. The Ang Lee picture was quickly mocked as a “gay cowboy” film, despite the fact that if people actually watched it, they would know it is about bisexual shepherds."

Didn’t [italic]South Park[/italic] already beat them to it?

Until you dishonest and pathetic idiots admit that the Film was bisexual, I'll keep posting more evidence. NONE of you can prove the Film was actually gay or about gay men, yet I've provided tons of evidence proving that the Film was bisexual and NEVER gay.

R78 apparently can't read R66

The gay guys in [italic]God’s Own Country[/italic] were gay. And made it to the end of the movie alive and still in love.

It was slated to win Best Picture but it was determined the world was not ready for a gay Best Picture winner and all those people who gave pushback against the film being released would cause issues, so they awarded Crash. Supposedly it would have had a better shot at winning if the sex scene was omitted.

Same reason Ledger lost Best Actor.

The word "patronizing" has been used several times here, and I don't know who the movie is supposed to be patronizing.

To the person upthread who said God's Own Country - an outstanding film IMO - was superior and rendered Brokeback obsolete:

Given Brokeback is set in the 1960s and the British film is set IIRC in the present day, I don't know how they're comparable.

Block it and it disappears for eternity. Ciao bimbo.

There's no such thing as bisexual unless you ONLY desire sex with men and women at the same time.

"Bisexuals" are gay and straight depending on the day and who they're having sex with.

I prefer the PORNO version

BAREBACK MOUNTAIN

[quote] Given Brokeback is set in the 1960s and the British film is set IIRC in the present day, I don't know how they're comparable.

Because of this lousy movie, every movie with gay characters that is set an a rural area is falsely accused of being a ripoff. I heard that charge lobbied against [italic]God’s Own Country[/italic] falsely, and it is fucking annoying. For one thing, the British film is so much better.

Even where Ang Lee is concerned, I have never even seen [italic]The Wedding Planner[/italic] but it can’t possibly be worse than this embarrassing, condescending mess.

I hate the bisexual troll in this thread, but R84 is a fucking moron.

Also, Brokeback was a mainstream film. Gods Own Country was not

Then fuck the mainstream because this movie sucks. It offended me.

Lee's other gay film is The Wedding Banquet.

That cannot possibly worse than this homophobic fiasco.

I can't understand how any gay man could loathe this film.

If Brokeback Mountain were released today, the complete lack of trans POC representation would be very problematic.

R89, then you're too easily offended, and seeking offense where none is offered. The problem isn't the movie. The problem is you.

R93, please read the thread, that joke was already done.

R91 - the comment that appears after the article is really telling:

"old buddy, I think you’re a bit guilty of hating the movie for being something it’s not, rather than hating it for being something it is. Or, to put it another way, you’re critique is that it’s not telling the story that YOU want it to tell."

The QUEENS who hate this movie are giving the movie more attention than it deserves.

A GAY movie that was really AWFUL - Philadelphia (1993)

"In films with bisexual characters, it’s rare that the word “bisexual” actually comes up. It’s mostly ambiguous, implied or erased completely by the protagonist seemingly picking a side. It’s constantly reinforced by narrative tropes that are set up for dramatic entertainment, with no real intention of representing sexuality with genuine care. Erasure also happens due to words like “gay” being used as an umbrella term when referring back to certain films. Brokeback Mountain (2005) and Call Me By Your Name (2017), for example, are often referred to as gay films on social media due to the gay relationships portrayed, However, the characters are portrayed to be sexually fluid/bisexual due to the nature of their relationships with women. It also happens with films like Blue Is the Warmest Colour (2014) which is always painted as a lesbian love story when Adèle (Adèle Exarchopoulos) is clearly bisexual. It’s not necessarily bad to use gay and lesbian as umbrella terms, but it, unfortunately, does contribute to bisexual erasure. We should be bringing more attention to bisexuality on-screen and pointing it out specifically when we see it."

[quote] I can't understand how any gay man could loathe this film.

Because it is tedious and offensive.

R97: Both Boreback Mountme and Phil-my-delphia were bad and overrated. The awards they received were affirmative action awards, plain and simple. The same academy voters routinely and systematically ignored gay movies that were actually entertaining and did not send troubling messages.

Everyone knows this is the gayest thing to come out of Philadelphia:

The bi erasure troll needs to be erased. Bye!

I’ve always wondered:

Would this film be as popular if the two main characters weren’t young and handsome? What if Jack and Ennis were middle-aged, overweight, with bad skin, teeth, and hair? Would viewers still be taken with the romance of the story or is it just skin-deep?

This movie changed nothing if that godawful [italic]Transamerica[/italic] came out shortly thereafter.

This movie changed nothing if gay boys who don’t conform to soul-crushing stereotypes of males would rather be women than be gay.

I can't understand how any Black person could loathe [italic]Song of the South[/italic].

You can't erase something that doesn't exist.

"The two male leads in Call Me By Your Name—an LGBTQ+ focused film that performed well at the Academy Awards—have been interpreted by mainstream media as gay men rather than bisexual. Orange is the New Black has also been criticized for bi-erasure due to the lead, Piper, being called a lesbian by her husband and a straight girl by her ex-girlfriend Alex, instead of correctly identifying her as bisexual. Brokeback Mountain is another critically acclaimed queer film that depicts the relationship between two male characters who are bisexual, yet has been labeled as one of the best gay movies of all time."

That movie was the worst yet. An anti-semitic pedophile melodrama glorifying a country with a long history of anti-black racism.

[quote]Because it is tedious and offensive.

But it is, in actuality, neither.

Again, the problem would seem to be YOU, not the film.

The only stereotype that this movie challenged is the stereotype that all gay men have good taste.

R109: so you’re saying I’m a bad person for pointing out why this is a bad movie? No, if anything is the problem, it is you for defending this retrograde homophobic crap. The more you defend this movie, the more it proves how self-loathing you are. I’m tired of these maudlin gay bashing melodramas.

This hokey, cliched story was barely worth a mid-1990s TV movie with Rick Schroder and Chad Allen in it.

[quote]I can't understand how any gay man could loathe this film.

Me, neither.

Because the subject matter is handled so poorly as to be embarrassing.

Even the gays in [italic]Blazing Saddles[/italic] bashed back. And even that movie is a more realistic depiction of what happens after you have beans for dinner.

R111, you really have issues. Again, the problem is with you. Not me. Not the movie. You. YOU have issues. Go seek help for your completely irrational and baseless anger and lashing out.

R112, so you're trying to say that never actually happened back in those days? You don't want a realistic portrayal of reality of these men's lives in those times? WTF is wrong with you?

Now that is a bigoted comment. Saying I “need help” is homophobic because the mental health industry is a racket with a long history of bigotry against gay people. And an ongoing one as well.

Thank you for proving my point: not only does this movie suck but its fans are self-loathing homophobes who take it out on gay people who don’t hate ourselves enough to indulge in homophobic mainstream media propaganda.

Why the hell do you have a fetish for watching gay people being murdered when there are still countries on earth where homosexuality is illegal? What the hell is wrong with you? Why can’t you see how bad this movie is and the damage it has done to the gay community?

R115: what the hell is wrong with you for thinking that it is okay for heterosexuals to turn our pain and suffering into BDSM torture porn?

I want movies where gays bash back and win.

R116 You could replace "gay" with "Black" and it would have the same meaning. However, people are still subjected to yearly, monthly, and daily reminders of how bad Black people had it (still have it) in society while other people can conveniently forget what gay people had to suffer, and still do. Why can't gay people remember what their forefathers struggled and how far we've come the way Black are celebrated for remembering their struggle?

[quote]Thank you for proving my point: not only does this movie suck but its fans are self-loathing who take it out on Black people who don’t hate ourselves enough to indulge in Black mainstream media propaganda. Why the hell do you have a fetish for watching Black people being murdered when there are still countries on earth where slavery is legal? What the hell is wrong with you? Why can’t you see how bad this movie is and the damage it has done to the Black community?

This is how you sound right now.

No it would not because everybody in this movie is white.

I think it’s a beautiful movie and agree the ending of heartbreaking. I can’t watch it very often because it’s so emotional for me.

Hey R4, READ THIS BITCH!

"Annie Proulx says she wishes she’d never written the short story that inspired Brokeback Mountain.

Ang Lee’s 2005 adaptation of the romance, which was originally published in The New Yorker in 1997, was met with universal acclaim upon release, earning three wins at the 78th Academy Awards.

It is often regarded as one of the best LGBTQ+ films of all time, and is credited as the turning point for the acceleration of more authentic queer cinema into the mainstream.

Despite its success, Proulx recently admitted in an interview with the Paris Review that “it’s just been the cause of hassle and problems and irritation”.

“I wish I’d never written the story. Before the film it was all right,” she said, before explaining that fans “can’t understand that the story isn’t about Jack and Ennis.”

I can’t watch it because there are better things to be doing with my time and better movies to watch, especially better gay movies.

Get a life. If you can’t understand how offensive and overrated this movie is, not to mention just plain bad on a purely cinematic level, then you really are self-loathing. Why should Gay people have to settle for less in terms of how we are represented on screen? I don’t buy into this “visibility at any cost“ crap if the cost is our gay identity and sexuality itself.

Future generations of gays will forget about this movie altogether.

R122: I rest my case.

The scene that always gets me is Ennis visit to Jack's childhood home. Jack's dad knew about Jack and Ennis; you can sense the angry mockery when the dad laughs at Jack's dream of taking over the family farm with Ennis. Jacks mom knew about Jack and Ennis; you can tell when she knowingly packages up the shirts Ennis found in Jack's closet.

I wish Annie Proulx had pulled a J.D. Salinger and denied the rights to anyone for any reason.

Our bi troll has also been busy on the "Harry Styles is gay" thread:

"There are way more bi than gay people."

That is technically true but missing the point. The point is the movie just does not live up to the hype.

Aren't they remaking this in a more modern day fashion? Can't fathom how they would pull the same story off without making one character FTM trans, and if they do, that will be truly homophobic.

I have an straight coworker that watch the film for the first time recently and he loved it

To be fair, i'm a bad gay because i've never watched it

The remake would be record shattering if Harry and timothee star in it

Sorry, but those two won't be believable as shepherds

Yeah, it would shatter the record for the worst movie of all time. That record is currently held by 2003’s [italic]The Cat in the Hat.[/italic]

R130, it could be called Shepherd’s Pie.

[quote]those two won't be believable as shepherds

Timmy and Harry can star in the alternate version in which Ennis and Jack do move to San Francisco. Fuck death by tire iron. Just fuck it right in the ass. Annie Proulx's ass.

"I used to wish they'd moved to San Francisco, but I don't know if that would have been possible for them."

What could a couple of farmhands have done in San Francisco, bus dishes and make barely enough to live in a shitty neighborhood where they'd get gay-bashed? Or find a job on a ranch outside of Los Banos, and realize that if they spent too much of their time off in San Francisco, they'd be in for a gay-bashing when they got home? No, there was no easy way out for people of that background in those days, the only safe-ish place for gays in those days was in the closet or the big city, and it was damn difficult for anyone from a working-class rural-poor background to fit into a big city.

And will the guy who hates "Brokeback Mountain" give it a fucking rest? We get it, you hate the movie, but repeating yourself constantly won't make anyone else hate it too.

The movie sends the message that even masculine gay men are useless in a fight. That is not something I am OK with.

[quote]What could a couple of farmhands have done in San Francisco, bus dishes and make barely enough to live in a shitty neighborhood where they'd get gay-bashed?

They could have worked in bars. You'll have noticed neither of them was particularly unattractive. And it didn't cost that much to live there those days. One of the cliches from the '70s was that of clones moving to the Castro and buying fine china with their welfare checks. Not saying that was true for many, or even true at all, but I doubt life would have been impossible for them.

And they might eventually have gone to college, done well for themselves. You don't know.

[quote] What could a couple of farmhands have done in San Francisco, bus dishes and make barely enough to live in a shitty neighborhood where they'd get gay-bashed?

Perhaps they would prefer New York.

I recently watched Maurice and he could handle himself in a fight, A136. That movie is genuinely touching and interesting. Love the happy ending.

I thought Brokeback Mountain was an extremely depressing movie, not sure why it garnered so much attention other than the leads all being very hot Hollywood properties at the time. Clearly not about bisexual men, however. More like gay men trapped in a world that despises them.

[quote] The gay guys in God’s Own Country were gay. And made it to the end of the movie alive and still in love.

God’s Own Country was a snooze fest!

[quote]God’s Own Country was a dong fest!

Fixed.

R140, get help for your ADD.

Actually back in the 80s, when I was hanging out in SF, there were Western gay transplants. If you were from those Western states that's where you migrated, not New York. Life was easier in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, so they managed to get requisite work skills and make a life of it.

I often wondered if some of them formed a backbone of the nascent MCC San Francisco being from those fundamentalist Protestant backgrounds.

"The movie sends the message that even masculine gay men are useless in a fight. That is not something I am OK with."

What are you referring to, the guy losing a fight where he's surprised to be attacked by armed men that he thought were friends or family members?

[quote] God’s Own Country was a dong fest!

Even full frontal couldn’t save that gloomy boring ass movie. If you want to see a dick. Pull up some porn. Much better than sitting through Gods Own Country.

A fight he might’ve won if he had also been armed.

R145: Some of us can actually follow the plot of a real movie. You’re not even smart enough to follow the story arcs on [italic]Sesame Street.[/italic]

What is Annie Proulx bitching about? The story was treated with the utmost respect by the director. It was brought to life with breathtaking scenery and great acting. It was well received by critics (nominated for many awards) and by the public. I would imagine she got a hefty paycheck.

[quote]What is Annie Proulx bitching about?

I read her remarks as being about the homophobic backlash to the movie on one hand, and the gay fanfic of her characters on the other. The novella had a limited number of readers. When the movie became a cultural phenomenon, it put her and the characters in the spotlight.

Those critics were wrong and those awards were cheapened.

[italic]Crash[/italic] also sucked but for different reasons. So did that George C. Looney movie.

What's the final scene? I forget.

It also makes no goddamn sense. Who the hell has buttsex after eating beans? And the way the actual sex is edited it’s obvious there was no actual penetration. In this case, you might just as well watch porn or at least a better movie.

Even [italic]The Birdcage[/italic] offended me so much less because it showed gay culture as being full of life, not death, and that even the queeniest queen who ever queened is still a man and can still be a good husband and father.

R151, same as The Full Monty, except with country music.

Tell people you are cousins and nobody will give a shir, All that misery instead. No more the great gay love story than nasty "Call Me By Your Name" was later.

Some gay men really are cheap dates.

"Even The Birdcage offended me so much less because it showed gay culture as being full of life, not death"

Wrong. There's absolutely nothing about "gay culture" in "Brokeback Mountain", it's about a man who has absolutely no contact with gay culture and is only aware of contact with one gay/bi man.

If any culture is "full of death" in "Brokeback Mountain", it's the straight conservative culture that greets the out or outed with tire irons.

Hey, R122, your reading comprehension skills are poorly lacking.

First of all, it says nothing about Ang Lee. It's about Annie Proulx. And what she's actually talking about is her short story, not the movie. The movie shone a light on the story she wrote and the characters she created. The movie got such intense reactions that she questioned the short story she wrote and whether she did the characters justice, which made her sometimes wish she hadn't written it.

Nice try, though. BITCH.

When I watch this movie, I think about Will Geer. He was a pioneer gay activist and was in a long-term relationship with Harry Hay. Yet he was married to actress Herta Ware for 16 years and had 3 children with her. Harry Hay was also married for 13 years and had 2 kids.

Back then, gay men still got married and lived separate gay lives. It's what you did then.

Brokeback Mountain reflected the culture and attitudes of the time.

Beautiful film.

R157 my reading comprehension is perfect BITCHFACE. I know that was Annie being quoted and not Ang. The point is BITCHFACE, even the writer Annie regretted Brokeback Mountain because people were making up their own stuff about the characters that were false. The lead male characters were NEVER hinted at being actually gay! You fuckheads automatically infer like with everything, that they were "gay" despite glaring and obvious bisexuality throughout the ENTIRE film. Everything pointed in the opposite direction of gay and true homosexuality, LITERALLY. Hence why the straight sex was more pronounced and explicit, yet the gay sex scene was singular and absolutely pathetic and terrible. It completely mocked homosexuality, because the lead men were bisexual. It was borderline like watching a nonconsensual rape scene. I know it's hard for you and your retard unintelligent fuckheads to see that it's a bisexual film, but it is. The film is bisexual and the movie was trash, just like your bisexual whore mother and your bisexual whore father.

Ang never actually said the lead men were actually gay either. Even the actors fucking stated that the men weren't gay, and that's already been posted above in several of the articles. Yet you pathetic idiots keep on making it "gay".

R158 today, "gay men" do the exact same things TODAY. It has nothing to do with the time period or generation, it's a personality disorder that exists regardless of what time period it is which keeps closet cases sealed into cowardice. In 2030 we'll still be talking about the same bi and cowardly closeted men in general who use the exact same excuses as every closeted gay/bi man in times past. The statistics and studies prove that, and real life experience and observations of people who aren't fucking retarded and brain dead or drug addicts like most of you are fully aware that the same excuses are used by the same cowards as they always were.

The openly gay men in every time period are the real men, the real examples, and the real backbone of masculinity. The majority who are still closeted even today and hiding behind the same excuses, are nothing but cowards and oftentimes stay in the closet and do everything possible to stigmatise homosexuality and being openly gay! Example A, majority of you on Datalounge. Gay men in countries were it's still illegal are exempt from this and it's definitely not their fault. But the majority of closeted gay and bi men in the Western countries, are deep in the pathetic state of cowardice, and internalised homophobia is their middle name. Especially with bisexual men. It's a FACT.

Gay rights wouldn't have existed if every gay man stayed in the closet. The openly gay men are the real heroes of every generation, and they hardly ever get praised, thanked, or appreciated for their integrity, courageousness, and authenticity. You all just circle jerk to men like the ones depicted in Brokeback Mountain who were not only bisexual, but complete cowards in every single way possible!

R160 Who is this bitch?

R160 Honey, you said in one of your posts that Ang Lee didn't like the movie. That was proven to be a lie. Therefore, any subsequent bullshit you frantically type out until your tiny fingers become bloody is completely irrelevant.

Take your lies and your faux outrage to the streets, honey, 'cause it ain't workin' here.

R162 a truth teller, unlike 99% of you fake cunts.

Geez, R160 is one thirsty attention whore without a cause, isn't she?

The cinematography and score in this movie are incredible. That haunting music captures the longing and the sadness of the movie's theme.

R163 hey cuntface, I didn't mention Ang. I said, 'Director'. Annie was like a co-director of Brokeback Mountain.

R167 0/10

R168 Yeah so you lied cuntface, because I didn't say Ang. I said Director because Annie was considered a Co-director and sometimes was referred to as a Co-director in some articles. So fuck you.

To R163 - HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

This is you: "God, you're an idiot. Even though I said "director," I didn't really mean, ya know, the actual director of the movie. I can't believe you didn't know I was referring to the almost director - the screenwriter. You're so stupid."

You can take your toys and run along home now.

Hey, R168, do you need another shovel yet?

^ Disregard.

It should read, "Hey, R169, do you need another shovel yet?"

'Cause the hole's getting pretty deep.

R170 R171 that's right cuntfaces, as I already said more than once I meant Co-director. What aren't you understanding cuntface? The one who needs another shovel is you cuntface.

R173 Yo, Queen of all Cuntfaces and Current Title Holder of the 2021 Datalounge Dumbass Award, Ang Lee is credited as the director. Annie Proulx is credited as the writer. And that means you're full of shit. I bet you were the kid in school who wet his pants, then told everyone you meant to do it.

How far do you think can keep digging?

It somewhat normalised the trend of a mainstream gay movie and that is great. But aside from the performances, it doesn't hold a candle to movies like Happy together or Weekend.

Hey, R173, I just read your original post. You actually capitalized the "D" in "director," so it's pretty obvious you meant the Director of Brokeback Mountain, Ang Lee.

Your story was proven false, you got caught, so just fess up you that you made some shit up to get a reaction.

Instead, you're just making yourself look...well...stupid.

R176 Annie is known as a writer and a producer. Producers and directors are considered similar. She helped produce/direct Brokeback Mountain. You are the stupid one.

"There can be some overlap between the responsibilities of a director and a producer, and some people may even serve both roles on the same project."

SO FUCK YOU R176. Annie was a Co-director/Producer of Brokeback Mountain. Annie was like a second Director beside Ang. That's why I only said Director. I backed up my argument with evidence. You cunts have backed up nothing with evidence.

R160 and his mental illness certainly sent this thread straight down the crapper.

R179 ad hominem attack which proves you can't defend your argument. Again, not only did I prove that Brokeback Mountain isn't a gay film but a bisexual film from the several articles proving it, I also proved that Annie is a Producer/Director not just a Writer of Brokeback Mountain. You and your retard army are the mentally ill and unintelligent cunts.

And R174 I've always had a gay pissing fetish, and so did a lot of boys at my school.

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Thanks to this thread I watched God’s Own Country tonight.

Someone should throw a Terse Gay Shepherds Film Festival

I don't think marrying a woman or having sex with one because you can't deal with your homosexuality or as in the case of the characters in this film there was little opportunity to meet other gays is bisexuality.

Bisexuality is when people genuinely enjoy sex with both men and women.

Heath Ledger's character was supposed to be Mexican.

R184 they did enjoy fucking females! They were Bi!

[quote] Heath Ledger's character was supposed to be Mexican.

There are NO homosexual Mexicans. This was told to me by an Evangelical co-worker whose Evangelical parents came from Mexico.

How do you know they enjoyed it r186? They are both miserable in their marriages.

R188 OMFG. READ THE ARTICLES POSTED ABOVE. FUCKING HELL.

R188 bi men need females and males at once otherwise they go miserable. That's the whole fucking reason they are bisexual. They need both males and females because that's how fucked they are.

you are insane r189 and so is the article

R191 sorry that you can't handle the truth cuntface.

Your constant use of the word cunt pretty much says all we need to know about you r192.

R193 it's because nothing is worse or more insulting than a CUNT. But okay, I'll call you retards something else equally as deserving.

So any gay man whoever had sex with a woman is bi? (don't know why I'm bothering to interact with you but your pathology is sort of fascinating.)

I sentence R161 to go back and live as an openly gay man in the rural mountain west in the early 60s. Maybe after several years of that he'll learn what a fucking idiot and asshole he's being.

Sexual orientation is determined not by behavior but by desire.

[quote] If any culture is "full of death" in "Brokeback Mountain", it's the straight conservative culture that greets the out or outed with tire irons.

While this movie is undeservedly put on a pedestal by the same "straight" white liberals who would gladly trans the gay away rather than actually have gay children.

Oh, there are still young men in Wyoming who have realized they're attracted to men, but who are still afraid of "the tire iron" and who don't know how to get out of where they are in today's world.

The difference between them and Ennis del Mar is that today's young gay men have heard about gays in the mass media their whole lives, and have the whole internet at their disposal. Ennis would have had no meaningful access to gay resources, there'd be nothing in the media except occasional references to arrests or "perversion", and I presume he spent his life in the sort of small towns where he didn't even check out books about homosexuality out of the local library for fear of vicious gossip and the tire iron.

[quote] Oh, there are still young men in Wyoming who have realized they're attracted to men, but who are still afraid of "the tire iron" and who don't know how to get out of where they are in today's world.

Then this movie changed nothing.

[quote] The wife should have been more bitchy and vindictive.

That might have made her more entertaining, but less sympathetic. She was married to a man who she believed loved her and learned the truth the hard way. I sympathized with her, she was a decent soul who deserved better than what she got. In her way she was another victim of the prejudices of the time.

I didn't. I thought it was reprehensible for AnnE to get more recognition.

Williams got more attention than AnnE. Williams got an Oscar nomination and all the other award nominations too.

[quote]A remake in this day and age would be nice. Perhaps with Matt Bomer and Ricky Martin playing the cowboys. There's a ton of gay directors who could give this the honest treatment it merits. Poor Ang Lee. He tried.

He made a better gay movie than this. A remake would just have the same problems unless they Disneyfied it to have the male leads live happily ever after.

Too bad that Danny and I weren't able to make God's Own Country in our day. Of course it wouldn't have been as sexy and Danny would have mugged through the whole thing.

Meant to sign in @R205

R178 Watching you melt down, I must admit, is quite entertaining.

R196 I know gay men from that time period, some are gay therapists, and they were openly gay in rural parts of the USA back in the 60's. I already mentioned that in my posts about openly gay men of every time period and generation. The difference between them and the pathetic examples of men in Brokeback Mountain, is that they weren't weak or cowards! Men are still closeted today. Your appeal to the 60's or any time period is a logical fallacy, because openly gay men existed in those time periods. You fucking morons keep ignoring that deliberately like the narcissistic scum you are and always will be.

R197 it's determined by both. You know nothing of sexual orientation, but that's not surprising because majority of you have been and still are sexual and romantic with females. Weak men with no backbone or integrity. Mostly drugged up to the eyeballs too.

R67: Sheep Hoarders?

"Then this movie changed nothing."

What, you think one movie should change society and eliminate homophobia? No, this movie was all part of the gradual increase in gay visibility and sympathetic portrayals in the mass media, which has led to social acceptance, decriminalization, and gains in legal rights since the 1960s. I've seen it all happen over sixty years, and it's been giid,

But that doesn't mean that things are easy for rural working class gay youth out there in Flyoverstan surrounded by Deplorables and guns, but at least they have easy access to information about gay life. And if it's not easy for them to get out and start a new life somewhere gay-friendly, well, that's due more to economic factors than prejudice. You can't just haul off to NY or SF now, unless you win the lottery.

It's been GOOD.

Oh fuck you, R208. Jesus.

Reminder: Ennis's father drug him out to see two gay men who were tortured and murdered because they were gay to "show him an example of what happens" to "those people". This scarred Ennis for life.

R208 So you know those gay therapists you know? Make an appointment.

Soon.

Gawd, the freak that hates this movie and closet cases just won't shut up!

SHUT IT, ASSHOLE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TALK US INTO HATING THE MOVIE TOO, AND YOU'RE SUCH A DICK THAT EVEN IF WE HATED IT TOO, WE'D PRETEND TO LIKE IT JUST SO WE WOULDN'T END UP AGREEING WITH YOU.

The hater must have been the earlier bi troll cause he's not showing up for me after I blocked the first troll. It's all trolling folks, put him on ignore.

As trolls go, the bi troll is especially persistent. He posts constantly, in many threads. This thread improved vastly once I blocked him.

He may be more mentally ill than most trolls, R217.

[quote]He may be more mentally ill than most trolls

He's also a racist who has posted vile comments about Kamala Harris.

KKKamala Whore-is is vile for enabling state terrorism against Black men.

[quote]What, you think one movie should change society and eliminate homophobia?

If Disney thought taking [italic]Song of the South[/italic] away would make racism go away — it didn't — then one movie can make a difference. I'd honestly rather watch that.

The note in the tackle box scene still cracks me up, it's so stupid and s is Williams in it. She's already witnessed her husband deep throat kissing Jack down In the alley so isn't the jig up then? Why the stupid note "trick"?

Most wypipo movies are stupid. And it's an example of how Asians contribute to white supremacy and anti-Blackness.

R222 She wanted to see if he would try and cover his tracks. He didn't.

Is the bi troll the same troll who insists Annie Proulx was the assistant director of the movie, or is that a different nutjob?

You guys do know that the first time they fucked, they used no lube (spit doesn't count) AND they had had beans for dinner and yet, there didn't seem to be an issue. You know what this means.

[quote]Is the bi troll the same troll who insists Annie Proulx was the assistant director of the movie, or is that a different nutjob?

Same nutjob.

R227 That dude has some serious problems, huh? Instead of being on DL, he should probably be in therapy.

Brokeback Mountain is a classic American film. Anyone who has loved and lost can relate to it. Timeless.

[quote]That dude has some serious problems, huh? Instead of being on DL, he should probably be in therapy.

He should probably be in the loony bin. "I PROVED Annie Proulx was the co-director of Brokeback Mountain!"

R229 bi people and bi people identifying as gay relate to it. Same goes for Call Me By Your Name, and 99% of so called "gay films" which are actually BTQ+ films. 99% of those films don't actually feature true gay characters and true homosexuality. It's the "gay version" of what BTQ+ and straight people added and created in 99% of those films. It isn't true homosexuality or true gay characters in those movies. It's fluidity/pansexuality/bisexuality cancer. If you can't see that, then you aren't intelligent or aware, and potentially drug induced 24'7 or suffering from the ramifications of drug abuse which impairs the development and functioning of your brain. I guess if you are an "Eldergay" but you really seem like an "Elderbi" you were on the drugs too and sexually and romantically attracted to females like the lead male characters in Brokeback Mountain.

Elderbi*

I had to block two posters on this thread alone whom I think is the bi troll. This level of persistent antisocial behavior should get him whited out by Muriel.

I'm being made to watch this now by my partner. It's like what straight people think gay people are like.

One of the best gay films ever produced. How did Crash end up with the Oscar instead? I don’t know.

I remember the fan art inspired by the film that actually sold on eBay. Some of it was quite explicit, all of it hilariously tacky. I hope there is an archive of it somewhere.

"It's like what straight people think gay people are like."

Well it was written by a straight woman.

But I don't think there's a lot of literature out there, written by conservative rural-poor gay men eager to tell the world about their experiences.

I just saw it today for the first time.

When he found the bloody shirt and jacket in the bedroom…..I lost it. I cried.

Yes, I know, MARY….but as an elder gay, loss has been a way of life for me.

It promoted bareback sex so I guess that was good.

I personally think 'Fair Haven' (conversion therapy) was a much better film. A t least the 2 main characters were Gay & it had a very positive ending, unlike BBM.

Aren't these guys a little pretty to be cowboys? I guess they play stupid pretty good though.

A sentimental fantasy written by a straight women about gay men starring straight men set in the American west directed by a Taiwanese director. Very authentic all around. I don't like movies about fudgepackers.

I hate the bi-trolling around here more than anybody, those trolls are psychotic, but they seem to be on to something about this movie being about bi dudes. There ARE closeted men who don't want anything to do with pussy at ALL. Am I supposed to believe that there weren't any adult bachelors in Wyoming in 1963?

[R243] The movie is a dull, overwrought fantasy by a middlebrow writer. Attempting to vet its authenticity is pointless - the characters are stick figures played by actors more familiar with Mt. Hollywood than the Grand Tetons.

All I can say is that 16 years later when Heath closes that door I still cry like a baby.

So it's a movie about a retarded laborer who ruins things for everyone. Nice...

I mean, is it not a gay "Of Mice and Men" but with Ledger as Lennie?

Ledger was acting. Gyllenhaal was behaving.

OP I have the same reaction as you when I watch it. Ang Lee's sparse landscapes and the haunting music score cuts deep.

Great pic

New interview. He SAID he’s STRAIGHT

Howard Stern talks to Jake Gyllenhaal about how people became obsessed with his sexuality after Brokeback Mountain

They’re sheep herders, not cowboys.