Men need to understand that women don’t care about them.

Incel alert!

MGTOW is an alt-right hate movement.

"Male supremacy is an ideology with many faces. Its unifying thread is virulent, at times violent misogyny, and the practice of blaming women and a large feminist conspiracy for the ills of (mostly white) men today".

Nice try, loserbot.

This is only of interest to heterosexuals, isn't it?

You don't usually sign in with your authenticated username when you talk up MGTOW and bash the ladies, OP. Drinking tonight?

HAPPY PRIDE MONTH, OP!

That’s refreshing….

What is with all these posts about straight people's lives all of a sudden? Who thinks this has any place on a gay board?

[quote] Men need to understand that women don’t care about them

From what I’ve observed in my time on this planet, it’s more often the other way around.

Many straight men would be fine going through life with mere physical contact with women. It’s females who prefer to emotionally invest in their partners.

I think OP is trying to lure lonely, disillusioned str8 men into his tawdry lair - -

Men are ugly and selfish, they're lucky that any woman wants anything to do with their hairy asses.

Mommy issues OP?

Does the number of men battering and murdering women indicate they care?

OP, they now make very realistic blow up dolls and if you have the money you could probably buy an AL robot. That way you can slap it around and scream at it for being a useless whore. You can demean, verbally and physically abuse it, and force it to have your dinner on time. If you did that to a real women, she would cut your tiny little wee-wee off and stick it up your dirty asshole.

Men who hate women are so odd. They're weird in so many ways that the misogyny is usually only in the top 10.

Other than sex for straight men...most men (gay and straight) would prefer to be with other men. And after a while, straight men don't even want to bother with women for sex.

R13- I just do not understand what happened to them. Is it bc they can not get a woman, or they can not get the type of women they want and feel they deserve? Is it bc they hate their mothers? I truly never have understood this.

R14- Wanting to be with men is one thing, but why hate women if that is what they want?

[quote]What is with all these posts about straight people's lives all of a sudden? Who thinks this has any place on a gay board?

R7 and R3, this is why:

[quote][bold]“No functioning, healthy society would allow Pulse—or the kinds of men who frequented it—to exist…. No healthy society would mourn their passing. Indeed, depending on your perspective, Mateen was just taking out the trash, eliminating societal parasites via natural selection…. When a man and a woman are attracted to one another, they are seeing the continuation of their tribe and the formation of the next generation... Babies are produced by heterosexual relationships; all homo relationships ever produce is c--.” — Matt Forney, “The Orlando Nightclub Shooting and the Moral Sickness of Whites,” Matt Forney blog, June 2017[/bold]

Women are barely people. They actually lack real empathy or compassion for anyone, and they lack basic morality. They should never have been given rights to be honest.

Exactly, r17. They are one and the same; point-of-entry varies.

"Parts of the White power movement have learned the lesson that they can’t just have cross burnings and Klan hoods, because that is going to get them rejected. They have to use phrases like “Western Chauvinism” as a sort of dog-whistle. This includes their use of irony as a form of plausible deniability. When you talk to individual members, you actually see more extreme views, even when the organization presents itself as simply conservative. The very **heteronormative**, patriarchal, White power ideas are all still there, they’ve just done a better job of couching it in cleaner language to draw people in a little bit.

The threat they present is in the street-level violence they are causing. There is a day-to-day criminality these groups have. There are concerns about a potential civil war and people are sometimes waiting for the “big event” from the Far Right, but that kind of thing is rarer. The reality is that they are in communities right now and they are committing violence in those communities now. That is something we should focus on".

This article is a bit dated.

I don’t hate women ..that’s a bit strong…..I just wouldn’t want to have sex …..friends is ok ..but sex …please…nil arousal ….boring

R15 The dating world is heavily skewed against their favor. I think OkCupid and Tinder both have released profile studies that showed that majority of women ignore some bottom 80% of the men in the dating pool. That shit is a major competition. Also, women generally have much higher standards than men that average men can't meet often. And modern feminism has pampered women that they are all special, beautiful and perfect princesses and queens that should never settle for less.

R7 because this board is flooded with right wing trolls, some paid others for “fun” who hope to destroy the Democrat’s coalition of voters. That is why they try to build racist consensus, exploit divisions in lgbt (all of the anti-trans bs), and get people to agree with their incel beliefs. They are a pack of losers who have to workin stealth because nobody with 1/2 a brain is interested in their bizarre world view.

Black people need to understand that white people don't care about them. And vice versa.

Jews and Natve Americans need to understand that absolutely no one cares about them. And vice versa.

Poor people need to understand that rich people don't care about them. And vice versa.

Democrats need to understand that Republicans don't care about them. And vice versa.

Have I left any other mindless but catchy truisms out?

OP forgot to use a different account for his incel posts! I'm doing a Nelson Muntz ha-ha at you, dummy.

There are some of these MGTOW incel types who think gays are automatically on their side in all this. Sorry but I don't really care what the heteros are doing, if some straight gamer guy who smells like Doritos and feet can't get laid, I do not care.

[quote]modern feminism has pampered women that they are all special, beautiful and perfect princesses and queens that should never settle for less

I wouldn't settle for less and I wouldn't tell my gay friends to just settle, so why would I expect some straight lady to settle? Nobody should just settle for less.

Also you don't seem to be familiar with the MGTOW culture because these guys always call each other "kings" in the same way you're accusing all "pampered feminist princesses" of doing. They say they're kings and they shouldn't settle for anything but the perfect submissive pretty girl. That's a lot less healthy than women saying they won't settle for any old hettie shlub that comes along.

LOL, R21. Damn those straight ladies are jerks for having standards and not wanting losers! 🙄

Grow up.

The OP is a straight man and has said so many times here on DL.

Why do gay men here even interact with him?

He's a troll.

Rightoid undesirables need to understand that gays don’t care about them.

OP is a heterosexual troll.

I am shocked that women do not Jump at the chance to be treated like a Waffle house waitress and Motel 6 cleaning lady for you! Shocked! I am sure that and your construction job income just keep them begging at your nasty smelling feet. Weekends at the shooting range, KKK rallies, why, what a dream come true! I just bet you spoil her by allowing her to buy your groceries at Walmart every weekend! Just the kind of man that turns women happily gay! 😆

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What’s your malfunction, R36-R41? Grow up and get some dignity.

^Oops, sorry, R31-R41, and God knows how many other sock posts on here.

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Is OP making a gross generalization based on her own miserable family life?

You are delusional OP.

Women are as desperate for men as they've ever been and that's really sad considering we are in the 21st century.

They are still under the boot heel of the straight male power structures, as we all are. Humans really need to evolve, technological advancement is not evolution when we are still oppressing each other, and using violence and intimidation as the ways to keep power in selected hands.

I find it odd that some traditional men consider it so beneath them to have to work for pussy, but also refuse to relinquish patriarchal power. If you truly want all the control, then you have to shoulder the burden of the most responsibility and actually bother to keep your subjects happy so they don’t withhold sex or drown your heirs or poison your food (that you force them to make and prepare daily). It’s pretty simple and obvious tradeoff.

I'm not sure this is true.

While there are some vocal groups of women who like to proclaim that they don't need men (and logically, they actually don't), most women are obsessed with men to an unhealthy degree. It's men who aren't interested in women beyond sex, not the other way around.

Which is ironic because on every measurable level, men need women far more than women need men - men in relationships live longer, have fewer mental health problems, are less likely to be in trouble with the law, etc. None of that is true for women in relationships.

Straight people are weird.

[quote] most women are obsessed with men to an unhealthy degree. It's men who aren't interested in women beyond sex, not the other way around.

Women are only obsessed with men they can't have. Men obsess over women in all aspects of life. Hell, this board vomits more pointless drivel about women than any lesbian board does about men. And statistics don't measure quality of life. Married men are generally less happy than their single counterparts. Housecats live longer than outdoor cats, and all that.

No, married men are not generally less happy than single men. The science is very clear on that.

And what Datalounge discusses has no relevance to anything, given then it represents a tiny minority of a tiny minority..

[quote] No, married men are not generally less happy than single men. The science is very clear on that.

Bullshit. I've seen married men and very few are happy, compared to single men. Surveys don't tell you everything.

Studies following the well established scientific method do, however, tell us more than your anecdotal experiences.

r49 What a lot of people don't understand is that whenever feminists lobby for policy that specifically targets women, they actively exclude men from receiving help. Feminists say that it isn't a zero sum game and that both men and women can be helped, but that's not true even in the slightest. Feminist theory states that every issue affects women more severely. So no matter what happens to men in society, actively supporting something which targets a male problem is generally considered sexist.

It doesn't have to be a zero sum game, but they've effectively turned it into one.

Hilariously enough, I was going to cite female-only scholarships despite men being discriminated against in education, and I found this citation on the website:

It seems that scholarships are equally distributed between sexes: 59% of recipients are female and 41% are male.

According to scholarship statistics by race, only 38% of the recipients are minority students, and 62% are white students.

Like, what in the flying fuck? I was looking for simple data on college scholarship distribution, and I was immediately hit with someone saying 59% / 41% is an equal distribution, but only a 3% difference with the white/minority statistic being (stated elsewhere in the article) a shocking imbalance. This is especially mindboggling because men are about 50% of the US population, making them far underrepresented for scholarships, but racial minorities are about 28% of the population, making them overrepresented for scholarships (numerically).

You can't even look up a single statistic without seeing feminist slant.

After 5,000 years of male rule, mass rapes, foot-binding, concubinage, laws preventing women from inheriting property or gaining custody of children (look up the Married Women's Property Act of late 19th century England), jeers at women entering most professional classes, unable to vote until the 20th century in what were allegedly modern civilised countries, the still offensive failures to prosecute rape adequately, the body-shaming, the corsets, the Thin is In, the ferocious pressure to remain eternally youthful, sexual, yet maternal, comforting, the shitty sex so many women have put up with so as not to damage male egos . . . after watching the hubbie they helped put through medical or law or business school, watching them head into the sunset with the pretty young secretary or second year associate or tennis instructor just as the wife reaches menopause . . .

The men are 1) shocked to find out that women 1) don't worship the male of the species, and 2) don't need them as much as they used to and feel remarkably better for it.

OP is the poster ill

^*OP is the poster illustration for why women are less than adoring of men.

R55 - Oh, I left out FGM and the mass murder of female infants in India and China because of the preference for sons. There are reportedly about 100 million young females missing from the planet due to female infanticide, skewing the populations in those regions so much that a generation of young men are having to compete as never before for those most useful creatures: brides.

It is men who have never cared about women.

Never have I ever met a straight couple in which she was the one making the first move or doing the asking out or picking up or driving/riding around or dropping off or paying for dinner or popping the question, etc. It was always the other way around: men would have to shoulder the burdern of every aspect of the relationship every step of the way, not just in its initial stages (never have I met a woman who would get off her lazy ass, hope onto her scooter or into her car, go pick her BF up and drop him off back home at the end of the night - whenever a woman drives a car, it's only because either she's by herself or it's a mom with her underage son). Not to mention the leading the conversation, initiating and escalating physical contact, but being careful not to come on too strong for fear of being labeled a molester, scheduling a second date if things go well and she hasn't changed her mind in the meantime, making plans, etc. It's all up to the guy. Must be SOUL-CRUSHING to be a straight dude trying to date: if I were heterosexual, I'd go my own way too!

Very true, R58. Society worships women and puts them on a pedestal for no reason other than they have a vagina ("women are wonderful" effect). So they get used to receiving (attention, money, sex, etc) and don't really need to actually do anything to get what they want. It's basically just handed to them. Look at Only Fans, a good number of these women are making $100k for softcore porn. Insane.

Women will only make an effort for Chad. Female nature is really repulsive when you think about it, so it's better not to. They are almost all whores with zero integrity.

There is this myth that 80% of all narcissists are these chad-like men who lift weights, drive fast cars, sleep around... etc. That may have been true in the 80s and earlier and we still have men like that, but ever since the big rise of the welfare state, there is a huge incentive for women to be perpetual damsels in distress so that men come to help them. This is why so many women are broke, over 30, and single. As they age, they will keep pretending to be victims until they ACTUALLY ARE victims because of their own lack of initiative. They will want men to bail them out. When men don't, they will turn to the government to tax YOU, gentlemen.

I have no idea where R58/R60 are getting their data; clearly they know very few women, or have the misfortune of knowing mostly religious or Conservative small-town women.

Plenty of Hetero women these days do heavy lifting in relationships. Often have I had to console a straight girl who opines that her boyfriend is like an overgrown baby who refuses to work, drive, clean, take her out, etc. A man in a comfortable relationship is the laziest fuck on the planet.

I would love for you to discuss this point with my butchy straight sister:

[quote] never have I met a woman who would get off her lazy ass, hope onto her scooter or into her car, go pick her BF up and drop him off back home at the end of the night - whenever a woman drives a car, it's only because either she's by herself or it's a mom with her underage son

She chauffeurs her pampered Arab fiancée everywhere, and I mean everywhere. She also coaches him to work out, files his taxes, and a bunch of other ‘masculine’ things. The other day, she confided to me on a walk that she’s “tired of being the Alpha” in the relationship, but she also emotionally loves him (and physically loves his dick) regardless, so she feels torn about potentially leaving him.

r61 Clearly, you must be living in a parallel universe, because women, for instance, NEVER make the first move. Not even on dating apps, where they could because they wouldn't be slut-shamed. You should try living in the real world sometimes

r61 The fact that you know the only woman on the planet who turns the tables doesn't erase the fact that what I said is true. Find me a couple that became such thanks to the woman's initiative. Find me a woman who approached a guy (NOT as in battled her eyelids, but ACTUALLY walked up to him and told him not to go out that afternoon because she would come pick him up in her car and pay for his dinner. Find me a couple in which the woman blows half her salary on a big expensive engagement ring for her men to wear and gets down on one knee to propose, while the dude takes 100 pictures with it showing it off to his gym buds.

You must be a woman (or, as they say here, a frau) who was triggered by the truth, so you had to go and point out that 2 + 2 = 5

R60, r62, there are a hundred websites for straight men frustrated by women. Why would you come here? We don't want to hear about your straight problems.

r64 If you weren't the retard you are and especially knew how to read, you would know that I'm gay and I said "If I were straight, I would go my own way too". Go back to kindergarten and learn how to read, RETARD. And I will comment whatever THE FUCK I please without you getting to tell me what to do or stop doing. Capisc?

The straight life seems sad and cruel. Many women judge men on how much money they have, and many men judge women on their looks. So many young women are happy to be trophy wives for rich men old enough to be their father or grandfather. And so many rich men are happy to be with women they cannot stand as long as they think their friends, colleagues and neighbors are jealous of the sex. (Usually there's no sex; the man is ok with that; the woman is relieved.)

Then the regular people jump into relationships with whomever they can..just to feel "normal" by society's standards. They have kids, and then by the time they realize they can't stand their partner, they're connected to that person forever because of the kids they share.

Incels are a weird bunch. They have some kind of cognitive distortion. They're convinced that they're ugly, and that's why models reject them. Many of them are actually attractive, but it's their intense, angry personalities and lack of social awareness that keeps women away. Many incels could date the nice, cute women around them, but they reject those opportunities because they think they are entitled to date women whom they believe are "10s". They probably could...if they were rich.

I feel lucky to be a lesbian.

r59 My neighbor has been dating the same girl for years, yet it's always him riding his scooter to the princess' place and dropping her off at the end of their dates before coming back home. She NEVER gets off her lazy ass! Heck, I don't even know whether she owns a car or scooter in the first place (or even a driver's license for that matter). My little cousin liked her high school classmate, but complained about him being too shy to approach her. When I jokingly rebutted "Well, why don't you ask him out instead?", she replied "NEVER! He's the man!" Another cousin of mine who got married in summer 2009 to his now ex-wife (they divorced because she cared oh-so-much about him that she moved to Germany one day and they would never see each other again) also had to do all the work. I remember, towards the end of their wedding, while everyone was dancing, she was standing on some sort of stage, grabbed a mic and said "At first I wouldn't give this man the time of day. After MONTHS of relentless approaching, I finally did and now am glad I did!". That means, had he been slightly less patient, they would've never started dating, let alone married (and then divorced).

So, yeah, women ALWAYS expect the man to do everything in dating and are super picky, even about his height. I would NEVER be able to put up with that if I were straight, and would probably just hit whorehouses nonstop

[quote] you would know that I'm gay and I said "If I were straight, I would go my own way too"

I don't give a shit whether you're gay or not. I still don't come here to read crap about straight people. Get a life.

r68 Then go to a different thread, fucktard. You're reported

When it comes to the matter of Hetero courtship, what you all fail to consider and understand is that females are selectors from an ancient biological standpoint, and for this reason it will probably never change.

This is the reason why lesbian and gay courtship/mateship differ from each other so greatly—homosexuals both mate-pairings may be, and may have one active/yang partner with one passive/yin partner, but regardless it is a clear inevitable reality that one pairing features two selectors and the other two proposers and will proceed accordingly.

R70, that was a bunch of word salad. Try again.

Ok, I'll play along... I've made the first move with boyfriends, r61. As you already know but are pretending not to, women do not all think or act exactly the same.

Calling people "retarded" and declaring "you're reported!" is lazy trolling, Nate. Put a little more effort into your character.

r72 Did you pick them up, pay for their dinner and drop them off? If the answer is no, then you did not make the first move

I did. And I expected them to put out too.

Women equate making the first move with smiling from across a room. That's all they're gonna do, and then they'll complain about the guy not picking up on their OBVIOUS hints. Try getting off your lazy ass, getting into your car, driving for miles to pick him up and then drop him off after you paid for his dinner, and now THAT'S making the first move

r72 My point exactly, idiot. You did NOT make the first move. You women don't even know what making the first move even means, because you're coddled. You're like "Really? I've batted my eyelids... isn't that enough? Does he actually expect him to do more than that?!. And this is all straight guys' fault: they'll idolize you, worship you, put you on a pedestal, knocking all the dating burdens off your pathetic shoulders

[quote]The straight life seems sad and cruel. Many women judge men on how much money they have, and many men judge women on their looks.

Yes, thank goodness gay men are above this.

Oh, Nate, STILL with the substandard fake outrage?

Rescue Chick was speaking for herself, not answering for me. To answer your tedium: we drove ourselves and met at the venue, and also payed for ourselves- you know, like equals do? Oh, maybe you don't...

I don't "smile across the room" or flutter my eyelashes, because I'm a flesh and blood person, not a caricature. I certainly was not coddled by anyone while growing up, but keep laying it on thick.

r78 Or maybe you're lying, moron. Coincidentally, all these "empowered modern women" are online and never in the real world. Easy to claim whatever you want online

sitting right next to you online fyi r79

"Idiot" and "moron" are good choices- definitely makes you seem like a real incel. I'd work a little more on establishing your backstory, though- are you in Mom's basement, a trailer park, or single apartment with a long-suffering pet?

hi r81 ❤️❤️

[quote]R69 Then go to a different thread, fucktard. You're reported

Karen has rung the manager.

My neighbor has just come back and, of course, once again, HE was the one who had to provide transportation: he hopped onto his scooter, rode it over to her house and then dropped her off. I spied on him through my front door peephole and saw him carry TWO HELMETS with him: his and his GF's. Apparenly, little Miss Thang is such a princess that she can't even be bothered to take her own helmet back home with her or she'll break a wrist.

Straight dating is one of the most unbalanced things in the world