Let's Discuss THE WOMEN Remake (2008), DL
Meg Ryan, Annette Bening, DL fave Deb Messing, Jada Pinkett Smith, with Eva Mendes, Candice Bergen, Carrie Fisher, and Cloris Leachman! What a cast.
Diane "Murphy Brown" English wrote and directed, based on the classic play/movie.
What happened, film fans? How could this NOT have worked like gangbusters?
|by Anonymous||reply 166||Last Thursday at 5:40 AM|
How was this received on DL back in 2008? Were people dismissive or receptive?
I suspect a lot of you will blame its failure on poor Meg Ryan.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||06/02/2021|
I went to see this movie. It was not a successful remake.
Not just because of Meg Ryan - she really wasn't any more annoying than Norma Shearer was in the original. But the movie's concept was just too dated, and forcing it and the characters into the 2000's was too much of a stretch.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||06/02/2021|
I enjoyed it... somewhat of a good feelings movie
|by Anonymous||reply 3||06/02/2021|
Annette Bening should've sued. She looked old and haggardly.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||06/02/2021|
It’s awful, cringeworthy even.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||06/02/2021|
Abysmal. I couldn't even get through 40 minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||06/02/2021|
It's no The Opposite Sex!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||06/02/2021|
^ Dreamy Jeff Richards...
|by Anonymous||reply 9||06/02/2021|
Watching this now on Tubi TV.
English is trying to say something new about self-determination, friendship, and mother-daughtering. But it's kind of getting lost.
Plus the rest of it is more dreary than bitchy glamourous fun. There's a lot of conspicuous money onscreen, but it's not glamourous.
2008 NYC feels like 100 years ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||06/02/2021|
Here's some shocking information about this God-awful train wreck:
Budget:$16,000,000 (estimated) Cumulative Worldwide Gross: $50,007,546
IT MADE (a modest) PROFIT! Lord.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||06/02/2021|
That is shocking. Given the prominence of the main cast (and numerous scenes with all-female extras)--did they all agree to work for free?
I can't believe it only cost $16 million. The costuming is pretty ugly but looks expensive.
And watching it now streaming in high-def, the clumsy green screen location work really shows at times.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||06/02/2021|
[quote] I suspect a lot of you will blame its failure on poor Meg Ryan.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||06/02/2021|
Diane English is a hack.
I also remember her accepting an award for Murphy Brown in the 90s and it was an award ceremony where they served dinner. She brought the piece of chicken they served her to the podium to make a joke about how tough it was to chew. What a tacky bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||06/02/2021|
Every remake of "The Women" from 1956 "The Opposite Sex" to that horrible 2008 dreck (that was 15 years in development if you can believe it), has failed. None ever captured the magic of 1939 film in same way that 2002 revival of play just didn't it the mark either.
Large part of problem is that women's lives have changed so much since late 1930's. No one calls themselves "Mrs. Stephen Haines", or refers to herself as being "overhauled" in order to keep a wandering husband.
Advice Mary Haines gets from her mother Mrs. Moorehead (turn a blind eye to a wandering husband's escapades) was beginning to sound dated in 1940's when divorce was harder to get, and certainly is now when it's rather a simple process.
Original film was toned down significantly for 1939 film with a good amount of editing to get past studio suits and censors. In play it was Sylvia Fowler who was having an affair, that just was never going to fly in Hollywood.
Hillary Clinton was publicly vilified for doing pretty much what Mary Haines did, going back to (or not leaving) a man who insulted (serially) his wife in public. That alone gives you an idea of just how dated "The Women" is to modern audiences.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||06/02/2021|
You also just don't have comedy screenwriting like this anymore, nor actresses that can pull off.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||06/02/2021|
kind of wish we could've seen the husband at the end just to see what all the fuss was about
|by Anonymous||reply 17||06/02/2021|
R16: At this point, my beloved, drag queens are the only who can pull this type of delivery off.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||06/02/2021|
Seeing the men in question didn't help "The Opposite Sex" none, it still bombed.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||06/02/2021|
Debi Mazar as the manicurist? I hate her New Yorker than thou ‘tude in real life.
This remake was shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||06/02/2021|
How would you cast the remake to the remake today?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||06/02/2021|
How about Ellen Page as Mary?
|by Anonymous||reply 23||06/02/2021|
Luce estate is very protective of works contained, and given how both recent theater revival along with film weren't exactly huge success, don't think there will be another of either for a very long time.
Are women still beastly towards each other? Yes, but they don't want it called out in media for god and world to see.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||06/02/2021|
except for leachman the cast is horrid !!!!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 25||06/02/2021|
Actually Debi Mazar sort of nailed the Mimi Olivera/manicurist role. Well at least was close as you were going to get to decent NYC accent.
Mimi Olivera didn't do many films, but she was in Marie-Antoinette which starred Norma Shearer.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||06/02/2021|
This scene would be cancelled right out today!
|by Anonymous||reply 27||06/02/2021|
Mannered and hammy acting aside, Mrs. Moorehead's advice to her daughter would draw howls of protest today.
That being said do women on Park Avenue (or other society matrons) still put up with husbands who wander? Yes, they do, but things aren't so nearly cut and dry.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||06/02/2021|
Cynthia Nixon doing Mary Haines.....
|by Anonymous||reply 30||06/02/2021|
See my ass and kiss it in Macy's 34th street windows at Christmas time...
|by Anonymous||reply 31||06/02/2021|
I made Howard pay for what he wants. You made him pay for what he doesn't want....
Sylvia Fowler was so busy minding other people's business including stirring pot between Mary and Stephen she just didn't have a clue. This even after that model at fashion show told her she'd seen Howard make eyes at another woman, "and she's not bad looking either".
|by Anonymous||reply 33||06/02/2021|
No bones…zips up the back.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||06/02/2021|
You just cannot remake things like this today. The writing, acting.. all of it just is from another time. For same reasons you don't see remakes of screw ball comedies either. It just doesn't work today, and you'd be hard pressed to find actors and actresses that could remotely begin to pull it off.
There's a level of wit and sophistication with these sort of films that largely has vanished from much of American audiences.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||06/02/2021|
r26 That actress's name was Dennie Moore, not Mimi whatever. No one played Olga the manicurist better, although Alice Pearce was awfully good in The Opposite Sex remake.
Debi Masur was shit in the 2008 version, but she fit right in with the rest of the cast.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||06/02/2021|
Thank you for the correction!
|by Anonymous||reply 37||06/02/2021|
I like Cynthia Nixon, but I saw that 2001 stage revival. She, and most of the production, were godawful. She made some very strange acting choices, starting with her voice.
Even Isaac Mizrahi's period costumes were mostly wrong.
I remember liking Kristen Johnston, at least.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||06/02/2021|
Wow, Dennie Moore does a great cockney accent playing opposite a very butch looking Katherine Hepburn in Sylvia Scarlett.
Guess that old studio system of various coaches for anything under sun including voice and accents paid off.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||06/02/2021|
Now that have been set straight on who the maicurist was in The Women, take it back; Dennie Moore had a very good career (such as it was) and life.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||06/02/2021|
It’ll be out tomorrow Mrs Prowler- hehe
|by Anonymous||reply 41||06/02/2021|
I loved that everyone was called Pet, Kiddo or Kitten. The only nickname we have for everyone is “Betch.”
|by Anonymous||reply 43||06/03/2021|
I willfully avoided that version of The Women. I adore the 1939 version with Norma Shearer and Joan Crawford so much that I could never watch such a piss poor remake with any enjoyment.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||06/03/2021|
R26. Dennie Moore was a lesbian in real life.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||06/03/2021|
I think this thread is perfectly ridiculous.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||06/03/2021|
Crystal is supposed to be a home-wrecking whore with class. Joanie could balance the classy and slutty sides of Crystal in a way Eva, gorgeous as she might be, could not.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||06/03/2021|
From what one has read Little Mary was booed in theaters during The Women's original run.
It's not hard to see why; she treats Crystal Allen as if she had her number in spades.
Little Mary corrects Crystal's diction (oh.. cooperate...), hands her that sponge when requested as if it and her step-mother were contaminated, then proceeds to tell the former Miss Allen her husband no longer is in love with his wife... The coup de grâce is that "and another thing, I think this bathroom is perfectly ridiculous" followed up with that curtsy and turning her back on Crystal saying "Good-bye" as if Little Mary was the Queen of England taking her leave...
Little Mary doesn't even treat the household servants that way, and certainly wouldn't her mother or grandmother. But real reason many in audiences didn't like Little Mary was it took not even one of the "women" but a young girl to light a fire under Mary Haines's behind. Little Mary carefully, effectively and very efficiently spills the dirt on Crystal (she'd been taking down notes regardless of saying she didn't understand grown-ups on telephone), finally prompting her mother to leave Pity Me Pines Hotel and go get her man back.
Little Mary did what neither Mrs. Moorehead or Miriam Aaron could accomplish.....
|by Anonymous||reply 48||06/03/2021|
I watched it out of morbid curiosity several years ago. It really was that bad....and Eva Mendes in the Joan Crawford role was just the worst of many offenses. I'm not even sure how the idea even sounded good while drunk at a dinner party...shocked it was actually put into production.
Now that I thini of it, Meg Ryan sure loved to play women hung up on their exes. She probably has a Homeland board dedicated to Dennis Quaid.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||06/03/2021|
Crystal Allen was a home wrecking tart, but with class? I think surely not....
As clips above clearly illustrate she was a predatory she wolf hot on the trail of a meal ticket. Stephen Haines was just the sort of patsy for a girl like Crystal Allen. He only believed in honorable relationships with women which is how Crystal got him to marry her once Mary Haines removed the protection of his legal marriage.
Women like Crystal Allen use sex to get love and whole lot of other things. Women like Mary Moorehead have sex out of love with their husbands which is not the same thing at all.
Everyone tries to tell Mary Haines this, but she's too busy nursing her two for a nickle pride. And where did it get her? On the train for Reno....
It would have been different if Mary didn't love her husband. She like plenty of other Park Avenue wives then and now would have turned a blind eye to their husbands extramarital but kept an eye on things to see it didn't threaten the status quo. Long as they were still the wife with inside track, that's what matters.
Crystal Allen confronts Mary Haines with that fact; "Look, what have you got to kick about? You have the name, position, money...."
Mary Haines confronts Crystal Allen as if she's some duchess who has discovered the duke has been rolling around with a chamber maid. She's so high, mighty and noble, totally expecting to put Crystal Allen in her place. Obviously she didn't know girls from the street like Crystal have a whole other agenda.
This was one of the key points of "The Women" and why many feminists and others hated the play and film. Mary Haines was presented with a choice, kept quiet about her husband's affair or have it out with him and possibly risk losing her husband and home.
When Mary Hanies walks into that dressing room and announces "I'm Mrs. Stephen Haines..." it was as if she expected Crystal Allen to bow into a curtsy, then start blubbing and begging for forgiveness.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||06/03/2021|
You have to love that scene in clip R50
Norma Shearer pulled out all the stops of mannered and hammy acting from a bygone era (early part of century), and that confrontation scene with Crystal Allen is one of them...
After Sylvia leaves that dressing room Mary debates for a moment, then pulling herself up to her full height marches out of her dressing room and into Crystal's like the Queen Mary in full steam.
I like Bette Davis way of handing things better!
|by Anonymous||reply 51||06/03/2021|
Reading obituary for Sydney Guilaroff came upon this interesting tidbit:
"The following year Guilaroff's diplomacy was tested when he worked with both Norma Shearer and Joan Crawford (plus an all-female cast) in The Women. Never having worked with both ladies at once, Guilaroff solved the dilemma by giving Crawford a curly permanent, leaving more time to work with Shearer. Crawford said tartly afterwards: "Norma wore her usual `classic simplicity' do, which took two hours to achieve each morning." Rosalind Russell added, "I was also supposed to have access to Sydney, but he got rid of that by having me wear a hat throughout the picture. At the time I thought it was a divine idea. When I saw the film I realised I was sloughed off."
Now that one thinks about it, Sylvia Fowler was always wearing a hat in "The Women", but never really thought about it, now I know why...
|by Anonymous||reply 52||06/04/2021|
Norma Shearer was the epitome of plain. Having her stand right next to a glamazon like Joan Crawford certainly was a choice.
The producers should've cast 2 actresses more equally matched in beauty (and height). Actually, two better choices were relegated to supporting roles: Rosalind Russell and Paulette Goddard.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||06/04/2021|
Norma was the epitome of Hollywood glamour in the 1930s. She was perfect as the young society maven. Crawford was the one who was too old to play a homewrecker. Why wound Stephen Haines jeopardize his position to marry a middle-age hussy?
|by Anonymous||reply 54||06/04/2021|
I am not the greatest fan of Joan Crawford as an actress, but she was perfection on this. See the perfum counter scene. . Norma Shearer was terrible, she made me root for Crystal. I don’t know how much rhe script, as written, was ambiguous in this respect. I have seen this movie countless times but always fast forward Norma main scenes.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||06/04/2021|
Originally Claudette Colbert was supposed to be cast as "Mrs. Stephen Haines" in film "The Women", but MGM purchased the rights as a vehicle for Norma Shearer who was then one of the reining Queens of Hollywood.
Joan Crawford's famous quip about how Norma Shearer always got best roles because she was "fucking the boss", referring to Irving Thalberg who was head of production at MGM and Shearer's husband.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||06/04/2021|
There were those who felt Norma Shearer "First Lady of MGM" or not, was a bit past it to play Mrs. Stephen Haines. Her manner of acting was considered dated by some, and some other quibbles.
As things stood Irving Thalberg died in 1936 leaving Norma Shearer "unprotected" if you will. She did The Women and a hand full of other films, but by early 1940's she was done, and retired in 1942.
What is sad is how quickly Norma Shearer fell into obscurity once she retired, this long before her death. The "First Lady of MGM" ended her days at Motion Picture Country Home, where among younger workers and others she was largely unknown. An older actress who was also living at the place quipped "she was once the Queen of Hollywood, now she's living here with us..." or words to that affect. Likely referring to fact Norma Shearer was living in basically a nursing home instead of being cared for at home in some grand estate or other home.
Despite her vast body of work, NS is most remembered for two film roles; Marie-Antoinette and The Women.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||06/04/2021|
Norma's greatest contribution came in the early 30s in which she seamlessly made the transition from silent films to talking pictures. Many young actresses of the day followed her lead and imitated her as best they could.
Here she is making the moves on Clark Gable in A Free Soul (1931). Her open sexuality was condemned by the Catholic Church and other religious organizations. Movies like this led to the infamous Hays Code, which cracked down on depictions of sex in movies until the 1960s.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||06/04/2021|
If nothing else Norma Shearer should have won an award for training those cross eyes of hers....
|by Anonymous||reply 59||06/04/2021|
^Training them to do what? Continue to look crossed?
|by Anonymous||reply 60||06/04/2021|
She was the best cross-eyed actress until Streisand and Karen Black came along.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||06/04/2021|
Like Norma gives a rat's ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||06/04/2021|
You were always just a cheap slut weren't you Joan?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||06/04/2021|
Both the original Clare Boothe Luce stage play and the 1940 film adaptation, which is significantly different from the original, were fun, smart and highly entertaining. The chance that you were going to get a third production that good out of the same property weren't that good, especially when they insisted on bringing it forward to the present day, which is kind of like rebooting "Jane Eyre" in a 21st century Seattle suburb.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||06/04/2021|
r62 That's from a 1926 silent film called Lady of the Night, in which Norma had a double role as a streetwalker and a society debutante. Crawford, in her first job at MGM, worked as her double in some scenes.
Here's Norma and Joan, who is on the right.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||06/04/2021|
Meg Ryan’s hatchet job of a facelift was the star.
I couldn’t look at anything else
|by Anonymous||reply 66||06/04/2021|
They needed more time to rehearse. The acting seemed so amateurish
|by Anonymous||reply 67||06/04/2021|
Did it have a fashion show?
|by Anonymous||reply 68||06/04/2021|
In original Luce play when pregnant Edith Potter becomes nauseous at luncheon Sylvia quips "I can't figure out if you're careless or Catholic.."
That was one more thing which was changed in film. Sylvia just glances down at Edith's belly and says "what a bore" to former's remark that smoked oysters make her "green".
|by Anonymous||reply 69||06/04/2021|
Joan de Beauvoir de Havilland (Joan Fontaine) is one we haven't torn apart yet. So I'll open the floor....
Have always found her range rather limited. Rebecca, The Women, even Suspicion all seemed to have the same stock range of emotions from Ms. Fontaine.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||06/04/2021|
Correct me if I'm wrong but are the two sensational character actresses who play Mary's maid and cook and have that long scene together ever credited anywhere? I don't believe their names appear in the film's credits or anywhere else.
Dennie Moore originated the role of Mrs. Van Daam in The Diary of Anne Frank on Broadway, the role which garnered Shelley Winters her first Oscar.
It's truly unbelievable to think that The Women wasn't even nominated for any Oscars. Were Oscars given for screenplays based on other sources back then? I suppose nothing was going to beat Gone With the Wind. But I think either Roz Russell or Mary Boland should have won Best Supporting Actress over Hattie McDaniel. Sorry, Hattie.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||06/04/2021|
Muriel Hutchison (Jane the maid) was credited.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||06/04/2021|
Mary Cecil: Maggie the Haines family cook at their UES home was credited.
"You know, the first man that can think up a good explanation how he can be in love with his wife and another woman is gonna win that prize they're always giving out in Sweden."
|by Anonymous||reply 73||06/04/2021|
Ester Dale: Ingrid, Haines family cook at their Long Island home was not credited.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||06/04/2021|
THank you for identifying those wonderful actresses, r72 and r73, and now I'm embarrassed to admit I recognize their names form the credits....
Now, was Ingrid the country cook the one with the famous Pancakes Barbara?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||06/04/2021|
MGM basically trawled their lot for actresses to appear in The Women. There were just too many parts for even remotely everyone to receive credit.
Butterfly McQueen wasn't credited (am almost sure that had something to do with her being a "Negro" actress).
Margaret Dumont played a "Mrs. Wagstaff", but those scenes were cut.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||06/04/2021|
The Women was not considered a very serious film when released. In fact there was some serious competition for 1939 Oscars...
Gone With The Wind
Good-bye Mr. Chips
The Wizard of Oz
Babes In Arms
|by Anonymous||reply 77||06/04/2021|
Future MGM star Ruth Hussey plays the officious secretary Miss Trimmerback to Stephen Haines who reads out some of the terms of the divorce to Mary before she departs for Reno.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||06/04/2021|
Besides Norma Shearer already had an Oscar nomination year before for Marie-Antoinette. She didn't win, but still....
|by Anonymous||reply 79||06/04/2021|
Yes, that's her....
She asks what sort of "goo" is wanted for Mr. Haines desert that night. Reply comes back "pancakes Barbara". The cook moans that it will put ten or whatever pounds on Mr. Haines. She further goes on that his "Adonis figure" won't last without some help from the kitchen....
|by Anonymous||reply 80||06/04/2021|
Jada Pinkett Smith, not a lesbian, but you played one in this movie
|by Anonymous||reply 81||06/04/2021|
Interesting to think of Rosalind Russell languishing around the studio lot for years as a miscast leading lady of serious drama until this film unleashed her comedic powers.
And I guess the role of Miriam Aarons was a sort of consolation prize for Paulette Goddard after losing out on Scarlett. The Women was also a turning point in her career to leading roles.
For that matter, Joan Fontaine was only a year away from landing the starring role of the 2nd Mrs. deWynter.
Whereas The Women really marked the beginning of the end for Norma and Joan at MGM< with Hedy, Lana and Greer nipping at their heels.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||06/04/2021|
Ruth Hussey is perhaps best remembered as the photographer in film "The Philadelphia Story".
She did have a pretty good acting career, but more importantly a wonderful personal and family life. Lived to age 93 passing on in 2005.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||06/04/2021|
Is Nancy Blake, the lady authoress with the "frozen assets", a veiled portrait of a 1930s dyke?
|by Anonymous||reply 85||06/05/2021|
"But I think either Roz Russell or Mary Boland should have won Best Supporting Actress over Hattie McDaniel. Sorry, Hattie."
I hope you catch your death of dampness!
|by Anonymous||reply 86||06/05/2021|
This was the first movie where I noticed Meg R was beginning to well and truly mess up her face.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||06/05/2021|
Meg's character (Mary's) arc in THE WOMEN is all about... her hair.
She starts out wearing long, crazy, unruly curls. It's only after Mary decides to find herself (and ultimately, win back her husband's love) that she starts wearing it flat, straight (ironed or pressed or blown out).
It's not much of a performance. But Meg really does have a stellar head of hair.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||06/05/2021|
We've overlooked Miss Hedda Hopper as Dolly DePuyster.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||06/05/2021|
Yes, Nancy Blake on stage and screen was drawn as a lesbian far as things would allow.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||06/05/2021|
You're out of your head!
Ms. Hattie McDaniel ran circles acting wise as "Mammy" in GWTW round Roz Russell or Mary Boland in TW.
As noted in linked Wiki article above there was some serious dramatic competition for 12th Academy Awards, and Hattie McDaniel beat out GWTW co-star Olivia de Havilland (Melanie Hamilton), and Geraldine Fitzgerald who played Isabella Linton in Wurthering Heights. Also in the running that year was Edna May Oliver for Drums Along the Mohawk as Mrs. McKlennar (her only Oscar nomination), and Maria Ouspenskaya – Love Affair as Grandmother Janou.
Gone With The Wind alone was going to make for very stiff competition.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||06/05/2021|
Yikes R88 Meg was really serving up the rubber faced/Beverly Hills hausfrau/Caitlyn look...
|by Anonymous||reply 92||06/05/2021|
I suspect MGM did not want Roz nominated as a Supporting Actress when they realized her leading lady potential after The Women, though she'd have been unlikely to beat Hattie McDaniel and Olivia deHavilland, anyway.
But then I believe Roz left MGM after The Women. I wonder why she wasn't kept by MGM? Probably not Louis B Mayer's type.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||06/05/2021|
Rosalind Russell actually had bona fide acting credentials, and was considered a beauty in her youth.
Universal signed Ms. Russell first, but didn't use her much if at all, and either way she wasn't happy. MGM tested Ms. Russell and made her a better offer, so she managed to get out from Universal, and that was that.
MGM primarily cast Roz Russell in "lady like" roles and used her to keep Myrna Loy in check. If you've seen the "Thin Man" series of films, along with others such as Mr. Blanding Builds His Dream House, you know Myrna Loy had the great lady but also comedy thing as her shtick at MGM so to speak.
RR went back to Broadway in 1940's but also did films as well. She earned four Oscar nominations, and likely would have won Best Supporting Actress for her role in Picnic (1955), but Ms. Russell refused to be placed in that category (co-staring....), so the nomination didn't happen. More is the pity because many predicted she would have won.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||06/05/2021|
Hedda Hopper actually was an actress in Hollywood before launching her mud slinging gossip columnist career.
Overall the woman was a nasty piece of work, and it's amazing she wasn't strangled or otherwise murdered but lived until age 80.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||06/06/2021|
At some point, MGM wanted to produce an all-male remake:
[quote]Like the female version, this would have involved an all masculine cast and the plot would have involved a man (Jeffrey Hunter) who recently discovers among his friends that his wife is having an affair with another man (Earl Holliman) and after going to Reno to file for divorce and begin a new life, he later finds himself doing what he can to rectify matters later on when he discovers that the other man is only interested in money and position and he decides to win his true love back again. Although nothing ever came of this, it would have consisted of the following ensemble: Jeffrey Hunter (Martin Heal), Earl Holliman (Christopher Allen), Tab Hunter (Simon Fowler), Lew Ayres (Count Vancott), Robert Wagner (Mitchell Aarons), James Garner (Peter Day), Jerry Mathers (Little Martin), James Stewart (Mr. Heal), Ronald Reagan (Larry), Troy Donahue (Norman Blake), and Stuart Whitman (Oliver, the bartender who spills the beans about the illicit affair).
Now, THAT would be interesting to watch. Especially if they included some homoerotic tones.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||06/06/2021|
r97, that can't be serious?! What's the source of this?
|by Anonymous||reply 98||06/06/2021|
Yes, it was true. MGM toyed with idea in 1960 of doing an all male cast remake of "The Women" called "Gentleman's Club". Rest as is above which is copied from Wiki page for 'The Women"....
|by Anonymous||reply 99||06/06/2021|
They really thought Tab Hunter could handle the Sylvia Fowler counterpart role in that all-male version??
|by Anonymous||reply 100||06/06/2021|
Roddy McDowall would've been better in the Sylvia Fowler role.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||06/06/2021|
"Like the female version, this would have involved an all masculine cast "
Jerry Mathers would have supplied the Beaver
|by Anonymous||reply 103||06/06/2021|
They would have been all male but not necessarily all masculine.
Tab Hunter actually would have been perfect for the Joan Fontaine role.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||06/06/2021|
I think we missed out on a camp classic
|by Anonymous||reply 105||06/06/2021|
Norma Sherarer being old fashioned worked in the original because you bought that her husband was her life. The remake was just played for hype and had neither heart nor wit.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||06/06/2021|
" Stephen, we can't go on this way..."
"It's wrong, shockingly wrong"
|by Anonymous||reply 107||06/06/2021|
[quote] Roddy McDowall would've been better in the Sylvia Fowler role.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||06/06/2021|
^ Shearer. I can’t type for anything today.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||06/06/2021|
George Hurrell, who did the PR photography for The Women (the MGM version, obviously), said Russell and Paulette Godard were the only two were professional about it. Crawford and Shearer hated being photographed together. One day, he and his group of studio technicians waited and waited for the two headliners to appear for a session. Someone went outside to see what was wrong, and saw Shearer in her car, circling the block. Right behind her was Joan Crawford’s car, also circling the block. Shearer wouldn’t come into the studio until Crawford did, and Crawford wouldn’t come in until Shearer did. The impasse was settled when one of the men stood in the street and stopped both cars.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||06/06/2021|
One actress we haven't talked about from the original film is Phyllis Povah, who played the perennially pregnant (though never visibly so, God forbid!) Edith Potter and is the sole actress MGM imported from the Broadway cast.
Edith is a role that really required a particular physical type (let's just remind ourselves that she's portrayed as a cow chewing her cud in the brilliant opening credits). And Povah comes through all the way, mostly providing comedic support for Roz Russell in some of her funniest scenes.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||06/06/2021|
Phyllis Povah = Mary-Robin Redd
|by Anonymous||reply 112||06/06/2021|
Jada made it watchable. Just kidding. She sucked.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||06/06/2021|
[quote]Ruth Hussey is perhaps best remembered as the photographer in film "The Philadelphia Story".
She and Kate Hepburn have the cuntiest back and forth in the film.
Ruth Hussey: Elizabeth Imbrie, my friends call me Liz.
Kate Hepburn: Of which you've many, I'm sure.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||06/06/2021|
Shirley Booth played the supporting role of Liz Imbrie in the Broadway premiere of The Philadelphia Story opposite Kate Hepburn.
Shirley Booth then went on to two critically acclaimed starring roles on Broadway in The Time of the Cuckoo, which Hepburn filmed as Summertime, and The Desk Set, which Hepburn filmed as Desk Set.
Did Hepburn campaign to play Lola in the film of Come Back, Little Sheba? I wonder what Booth thought of Hepburn?
|by Anonymous||reply 115||06/06/2021|
Who plays Crystal’s roommate in “The Opposite Sex”? She’s not listed in the credits.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||06/06/2021|
Not sure if you mean Virginia Grey, r116, who's Crystal's cute blonde chum at the perfume counter and is in that one scene in the stock room with Butterfly McQueen. I don't think she's her roommate, though.
Grey was an MGM contract player appearing in scores of their films in the 1930s and 40s, rarely in lead roles, mostly in B films. In1939 she also appeared in Idiot's Delight as one of the chorines backing up Clark Gable in Puttin' on the Ritz. And I think Gable was rumored to have a long time affair with her.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||06/06/2021|
Ooops. Just reread your post, r116.
I think you're referring to Carolyn Jones, who, of course, later played Morticia Addams and was the first wife of Aaron Spelling.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||06/06/2021|
Cool. I knew I knew that face.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||06/06/2021|
When I asked Booth about Hepburn, r115, she said that Kate was a "doozie" and that she was "gonna cut that fucking bitch". Then she quickly changed the subject.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||06/06/2021|
I hope she isn't the second one on the left who's strap breaks at 0:48, r117.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||06/06/2021|
Here you all go. A clip from this movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||06/06/2021|
Both Phyliss Povah *and* Marjorie Main were asked to star in film "The Women" who also appeared in OBC productoin.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||06/06/2021|
Is Meg eating a stick of butter (dipped into chocolate syrup and sugar) at R122?
|by Anonymous||reply 124||06/06/2021|
Virginia Grey lived a long life and had an extended career in Hollywood. She as also a lapsed Mormon who went back to the religion of her youth and found comfort.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||06/06/2021|
r116 Carolyn Jones played Crystal's roommate in The Opposite Sex. Her character's name was Pat.
Jones of course would become more famous as Morticia on the original Addams Family TV series. She died tragically young of cancer.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||06/06/2021|
Carolyn Jones is one of those actors many likely only know from television (The Addams Family) which is a shame. The lady had substantial body of work on stage, screen and of course television.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||06/06/2021|
R127 she was also married to Aaron Spelling!
|by Anonymous||reply 128||06/06/2021|
I love Marjorie Main from the original(and really everything she appeared in) who took her part in the new one? I haven’t watched it, because I feel The Women is one of those movies that is perfect and should be left alone.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||06/06/2021|
If you've never seen the film "Johnny Come Lately" starring James Cagney, Hattie McDaniel and Marjorie Main strongly suggest...
Ms. Main plays a brothel owner called "Gas House" Mary McGovern.
|by Anonymous||reply 130||Last Monday at 12:21 AM|
See to recall some talk that Marjorie Main moved in with another woman later in life after she retired from show business. But it's not mentioned on her Wiki page.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||Last Monday at 12:23 AM|
Virginia Grey is the tallest chorine in the number, carrying Clark out by his feet as it ends.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||Last Monday at 5:56 AM|
If only Marie Dressler had lived a few more years, she would have played Lucy, Marjorie Main's role, in The Women. Or would she played The Countess de Lave?
|by Anonymous||reply 133||Last Monday at 5:57 AM|
Mary Boland as the Countess de Lave is so brilliant and deserves some special love here. Like Roz Russell, and really all of the actresses in the film, she shows no vanity in making a fool of herself and is pure comedy gold.
Can you just imagine what the hair and makeup rooms were like in the early morning hours before filming began each day? I also wonder if the stars ever got a preview of what the other actresses would be wearing in their scenes together and if that ever became an issue. Personally, I think Adrian did a stellar job in featuring or "equalizing" the look of each actress in every scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||Last Monday at 6:03 AM|
Marjorie Main and Spring Byington were longtime lovers.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||Last Monday at 6:24 AM|
" His first Broadway appearance was in 1970 in "Soon" with Richard Gere and Nell Carter."
What was that show?
|by Anonymous||reply 136||Last Tuesday at 12:17 AM|
Sorry, R136 is in wrong thread.
Disregard and carry on.....
|by Anonymous||reply 137||Last Tuesday at 12:19 AM|
Interesting Spring Byington's Wiki page has this quote from Marjorie Main...
"A number of Hollywood historians have claimed that Byington was a lesbian. Actress Marjorie Main's biographer Michelle Vogel has noted that Main and Byington were reported widely as having had a long-term relationship. When asked about Byington's sexual orientation, Main observed: "It's true, she didn't have much use for men.""
Yet Ms. Main's page doesn't say anything at all about Spring Byington romantically or otherwise.
On another note rather amazing when you think about it that Marjorie Main became such a successful actress. I mean that voice!
|by Anonymous||reply 138||Last Tuesday at 12:24 AM|
Bette Midler is only in two scenes and gets one with Meg Ryan where they smoke pot. Bette plays a Hollywood agent and there is a joke about how Michael Douglas left her.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||Last Tuesday at 6:45 AM|
It was nice to cast Candice Bergen as Meg's mother since they played the same way back in Rich and Famous. But that scene where Mary visits her mother after she had had a face lift is full of irony given Meg's botoxed face.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||Last Tuesday at 6:48 AM|
I worked on this piece of shit, and I am embarrassed about it, so I do not include it on my resume. I was a huge fan of the original, and of AB. I barely interacted with her, and this had very little resemblance to the glorious black and white, minus the fashion show.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||Last Tuesday at 6:53 AM|
R134, What are you made up for? The Seeing Eye?
(pardon, I think I may still be drunk from last night, and your post made me think of that line)
|by Anonymous||reply 142||Last Tuesday at 6:56 AM|
I saw this remake in the theater with a group of friends, all gay men. I think we were all supposed to love it, and some in the group did. For me it was so dull that I just wanted it to be over. It was not entertaining at all. To keep my gay card among this bunch I had to fake that I liked it.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||Last Tuesday at 7:01 AM|
I think he/she means Annette Bening.
I'm not sure why people upthread think Bening looked bad in THE WOMEN. I liked her longer hair and I thought her clothes were sharp.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||Last Tuesday at 10:56 AM|
I've never been interested in seeing The Women remake but if that photo at r145 is any indication, I can see I've not missed anything. While those 3 ladies are all nicely dressed, there's nothing in their clothes, hair or makeup to give us any clue on who they're playing. and absolutely no style or whimsy. It all looks so stark and humorless. I mean, I don't expect Bening to wear feathered hats or anything but could there be something a little fun about her look? And Jada.....oh dear.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||Last Tuesday at 11:54 AM|
Some things cannot/should not be "updated".
|by Anonymous||reply 147||Last Tuesday at 3:45 PM|
As already mentioned, I think the only way you can do this material now is with a high sense of camp.
Either go all out and do a drag queen version or find the right director who knows how to treat the material and cast it appropriately.
ACT in Seattle did a production of The Women in the mid 2000s that was pretty good...they had a decent director and mostly got the tone right. It was a lot of fun though it's a loooooong ass play. And, expensive to do with that huge cast and wardrobe. I think ACT did a special fundraiser just to pay for all the costumes required.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||Last Tuesday at 4:28 PM|
Anita Loos and Jane Murfin (not to mention George Cukor) really spiffed up Clare Booth Luce's original script, so if one knows the film, seeing that play now, one can't help but be severely disappointed.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||Last Tuesday at 5:18 PM|
I'll never forget the first time I saw the original film in 1973, it was in that revival house on Broadway around 68th St. that doesn't exist any more. The audience, which was mostly gay, of course, went wild. I don't know why I'd never seen the film on TV in my childhood in the 1960s....were the TV rights withheld or something back then? I'd also never seen Norma Shearer in a film......just too, too divine! Those opening credits with all the ladies portrayed as various animals.....squeeeeee!
And later that spring I saw the Broadway revival with Alexis Smith (as Sylvia), Dorothy Loudon (as Edith), Rhonda Fleming (as Miriam), Jan Miner (as the Countess), a rather dull Kim Hunter (as Mary) and Myrna Loy (as Mary's mother). It was great fun but not nearly as good as the film. A woefully miscast Lainie Kazan had been fired (as Crystal) in rehearsals and replaced with a soap opera actress whose name I've forgotten.....maybe....Marie Wallace?
|by Anonymous||reply 150||Last Tuesday at 5:29 PM|
[quote]And, expensive to do with that huge cast and wardrobe.
I saw it at a small theater in Hollywood (99-seat Equity waiver place) and they even did the full fashion show with incredible period designs.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||Last Tuesday at 5:30 PM|
I'd love to see some photos of that production, r151.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||Last Tuesday at 5:34 PM|
Looking up the play on wikipedia, I discovered that in the original 1936 Broadway production the part of the daughter Little Mary, was played by Charita Bauer. She would of course grow up to be one of the first major soap opera stars, as Bert Bauer on The Guiding Light. While another future soap star, Mary Stuart played the part of "First Hairdresser." Other than them, and Marjorie Main, the only other actor appearing in the original production that would become an enduring "star" was Arlene Francis. Many of the others had long and distinguished careers, but aren't names that many would remember, even ten years later, let alone today.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||Last Tuesday at 5:53 PM|
Unforgivable. Glad it suffered before being put down.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||Last Tuesday at 5:58 PM|
The 1939 film varies very little from the play. Same plot and much of the dialogue is exactly the same. They did cut a couple scenes from the play including a section in Edith's hospital room after she gave birth but much of that dialogue was reused in other scenes. As adaptations of plays go, it was very, very faithful.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||Last Wednesday at 12:37 AM|
There seemed to be an effort to make Meg look tall in this company.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||Last Wednesday at 2:44 AM|
Great Performances did show the 2001 revival, but don't think entire thing is on YT or anything.
Yes, scene in hospital with Edith giving birth is hilarious. The African American nurse going at pampered women like Edith asking her does she know what's like to give birth on cold kitchen floor.....
|by Anonymous||reply 158||Last Wednesday at 3:27 AM|
I believe an actress named Margalo Gillmore was Mary Haines in the original Broadway production. Elder Dataloungers might know her as Mrs. Darling on Broadway and in the first televised performance of Peter Pan starring Mary Martin, or at least recognize her voice from the OBC recording..
The role of Crystal Allen was considerably beefed up for Joan Crawford in the film by Loos and Murfin. It was far more of a supporting role on Broadway originally. There's an infamous line in the play uttered by Sylvia Fowler when she spies the nude Crystal getting out of her bath: "Why, Crystal, I always thought you were a natural blonde!" Obviously, it had to be cut from the Cukor film, and not only because Crawford wasn't a blonde.
|by Anonymous||reply 160||Last Wednesday at 3:39 AM|
The movie is flawed, but it introduced the concept of “the vault” to me and mine.
From the movie…
What do you mean, she doesn't know?
What is wrong with you two?
We're in the vault, she's not? Drag her ass into the vault.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||Last Wednesday at 4:21 AM|
The "careless or Catholic" and "I always thought you were a natural blonde" lines are interesting.
I always wondered what witty lines had to be jettisoned to appease the censors.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||Last Wednesday at 5:38 AM|
Carrie Fisher is only in one scene and she does nothing special apart from wearing sweatpants on a cross-trainer. And she looks small compared to Annette Bening.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||Last Wednesday at 5:43 AM|
I *hated* the fashion show in the original film.
It was such a waste of time. And that was a very bad time for women's fashion, especially the stupid hats.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||Last Wednesday at 5:53 AM|
R164 Well, it's easy to skip forward and not see it while the rest of us camp connoisseurs revel in its divine tackiness.
|by Anonymous||reply 165||Last Wednesday at 12:32 PM|
I thought the Danish teacher or whatever she was was a wasted character. she only had a use in the scene copied from the 1939 film where she was telling the Cloris Leachman character quotes from the off-screen argument between Meg and the husband.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||Last Thursday at 5:40 AM|