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Chapter Two: Christian Diet Guru Gwen Shamblin Lara Penetrates Percy Priest!

Continue your mourning here.

by Anonymousreply 317Last Friday at 3:33 PM

That daughter is behind this!

by Anonymousreply 106/01/2021

Link to prior thread below

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by Anonymousreply 206/01/2021

From Without a Crystal Ball on Facebook:

Recovery efforts continue for the Plane & bodies of 7 people that died on a plane crash on Saturday

Gwen Shamblin Lara & Joe Lara along with 5 leaders from Gwen’s church Remnant Fellowship Church were on the plane.

My source let me know that divers have located some human remains, but due to the nature of the crash, identifying the victims will be challenging. The source also says the divers are having a tough time due to muddy conditions causing low visibility with much of the recovery being done by touch vs sight

I’m told the family is heartbroken & waiting so they can lay their loved ones to rest.

by Anonymousreply 306/01/2021

The family is plotting how to carry on the grift “because that is what Gwen and God would want”.

by Anonymousreply 406/01/2021

I don't believe this was posted on the first thread.

'Prophet' Gwen Shamblin Lara's Cult Member's Shocking Revelation about Secret Meeting Before Crash

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by Anonymousreply 506/01/2021

It's not often that a plane crash happens and no one has to feel even a little bit bad about it.

by Anonymousreply 606/01/2021

[quote]a tough time due to muddy conditions causing low visibility with much of the recovery being done by touch vs sight

Yikes. This plane came down hard.

Is it possible that bony Gwen disintegrated on impact? The hair could be the only thing that remains.

by Anonymousreply 706/01/2021

She's with Jesus now

by Anonymousreply 806/01/2021

Thank you, R2. I'm not trying to make excuses for forgetting the link, but my grief has been so overwhelming this morning that I couldn't even eat my first perfect bite of scrambled egg.

I weighed out two grams a few hours ago, arranged it all on my baby spoon, and I even salt-and-peppered that perfect little bite all purdy. Nope. Couldn't eat it. Just sayin'.

by Anonymousreply 906/01/2021

Judging from the photos Gwen tore the hair off her own daughter's head a while back and glued it to her own.

by Anonymousreply 1006/01/2021

I’m still reading about these scummy motherfuckers on the first thread.

First thread had a spiritwatch link. I never heard of spiritwatch so thank you. It’s weird how Gwen put “overspending” in her deadly sins line-up yet she and Tarzan were the queen and king of luxury spending, all under the guise of a “ministry.” I’d starve myself to see their taxes!

I’m reposting this Jen gal’s link on this new thread just because she is so full of information about cults.

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by Anonymousreply 1106/01/2021

R5 This crash was the lords work.

Praise him on high!

by Anonymousreply 1206/01/2021

[quote]It’s weird how Gwen put “overspending” in her deadly sins line-up yet she and Tarzan were the queen and king of luxury spending

Her answer to things like that was quoting, "to the pure, all things are pure." That's how she got away with drinking, compulsive shopping, flying around the world on vacations, etc. That's why she could openly take prescription drugs while members who were ratted out for taking them (or who confessed) were forced to flush them down the toilet in front of upper management.

Of course, Gwen was the sole judge of who was pure and who was impure.

by Anonymousreply 1306/01/2021

Were her prescription drugs amphetamines?

by Anonymousreply 1406/01/2021

R14 “diet pills”

by Anonymousreply 1506/01/2021

R8. Her hair is still at the bottom of Percy Priest Lake.

by Anonymousreply 1606/01/2021

R14, they were horse tranquilizers for the creature living on her head. If she didn't funnel a good bottle and half's worth of them into that thing every day, it reverted to type and started chasing Adrianne Barbeau around Anderson Hall.

by Anonymousreply 1706/01/2021

Would be interesting to know more about her suit against Spririt Watch

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by Anonymousreply 1806/01/2021

I read on one of the Free Jinger threads that the skeletal, pale daughter Elizabeth was close to a normal, healthier weight when she was pregnant and delivered her daughters. After the girls, she gave birth to a son named Henley, which is Gwen’s maiden name. The kid only lived for a short time. After his death she started losing the weight, and went on to have her last kid, another boy.

by Anonymousreply 1906/01/2021

Whoa R13 - you mean to tell me Gwen also used prescribed drugs? AND THEN told her “parishioners” they were bad? I read she preached against divorce until she found her new skinny Tarzan.

This 🐇 🕳 will be fascinating.

I’m all up for the financials. How the fuck these people get away with this crap is stunning. All under the guise of a “ministry.” I cannot wait to hear what Gwen had to say about gays.

I’m old but my work/living took me to two FDLS encampments and the Rajnessshees. The mind-control is brilliant once these cults land in a certain area and don’t get rebuffed. It’s so interesting that Gwen landed in a fat Tennessee area and started her schicht as a weight loss guru and then melded it into a “church.”

by Anonymousreply 2006/01/2021

I can’t help but wonder if Matt Lauer invited Gwen back to his office to discuss this further.

The interview starts around 1:50

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by Anonymousreply 2106/01/2021

Seems like they are making good progress

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by Anonymousreply 2206/01/2021

R20, it was from the link below which was written by a woman who was had her antidepressants flushed and ended up in the psych ward.

[quote]The Remnant leadership would say that I didn’t need to be medicating myself with medicines; that I needed to trust in the Lord, but I happen to know that Gwen had a prescription medicine for dizzy spells. Why didn’t she just trust in God to help her feel better? My opinion is that she was starving herself so much before Passover that it affected her health.

A few more quotes, just because:

[quote]Several people were encouraged to fast for many days and weeks to get their excess weight off. Some folks even fasted for 40 days prior to Passover. We were continually told that God could inflict severe punishment on us Passover night if we didn’t get rid of all our idols (sins) before Passover. We were strongly encouraged to be “pure.”

[quote]Gwen really defended Michael Jackson; saying that she could relate to the persecution he had received and said that we should pray for him.

[quote]Spanking was widely practiced; and it was accepted that people spank each other’s children. Even children under the age of 2 were spanked for disobedience and defiance. The spankings had to really COUNT or it wouldn’t do any good. Children were expected to sit quietly in the 2 hour services, and if they were taken out and refused to say they were sorry, or kept crying (which indicated that they were feeling sorry for themselves and not for God ), they were spanked repeatedly… I was instructed to spank my daughter on her bare bottom until it was beet red. I didn’t feel right about this, but I thought I had to obey.

[quote]Children were told to obey their authorities, which also meant that older children were other children’s authorities. For example, it was not unusual to hear a child of 4 complain that a child of 2 wasn’t obeying her authority; or a child of 10 would be spanked for not obeying the authority of an 11-year-old.

[quote]The Last Exodus, a new Weigh Down class for ages 8 to 28, is promoting anorexic compulsions that are training young people to eat such small portions that most teens/young adults in Remnant are a size 2 or under. [ . . . ] Their fear of eating without a true stomach growl or eating one bite past full is obsessive. Gwen even teaches to pray before each single bite to ask God’s permission before taking each successive bite.

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by Anonymousreply 2306/01/2021

[quote]the skeletal, pale daughter Elizabeth

For those who missed it:

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by Anonymousreply 2406/01/2021

And one more

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by Anonymousreply 2506/01/2021

With hair like that she was close to God, and after the plane crash now she’s even closer! 🙏

by Anonymousreply 2606/01/2021

The daughter looks like she’s on the Judy Garland diet of pills and liquor. She’s only in her 30s!

by Anonymousreply 2706/01/2021

Why are the young daughters (granddaughters of Gwen) in heavy makeup and scarlet lipstick on Christmas morning at home?

by Anonymousreply 2806/01/2021

Gwen often seemed manic, think she had some help maintaining her weight.

by Anonymousreply 2906/01/2021

Omg the comments on her Instagram are VICIOUS!

by Anonymousreply 3006/01/2021

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by Anonymousreply 3106/01/2021

I can’t bring myself to shed a tear for these vile creatures.

by Anonymousreply 3206/01/2021

Seems likely that it will be found to be pilot error. Wonder if the cult will survive like the Scienos or implode? Will cult members sue for wrongful death on behalf of the minor kids who lost a parent(s)? Will there be a power struggle?

Apparently Tarzan moved to Nashville in a try at a music career and met Gwen at RF while she was still married to the portly hubs of decades.

by Anonymousreply 3306/01/2021

Supposedly there are many Dems in the cult who were dismayed by the recent Maga screeds, maybe that will help implode the whole thing.

by Anonymousreply 3406/01/2021

R34 bullshit

by Anonymousreply 3506/01/2021

Has been reported sourced by people who were at the no phones meeting recently, R35, some walked out.

But, if you would rather that a child killing ana promoting cult continues, that's on you.

by Anonymousreply 3606/01/2021

The weight loss was really affecting her looks.

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by Anonymousreply 3706/01/2021

I listened to the linked sermon for about 20 minutes, trying to comprehend her deep messages from God. I gave up because I didn't know what the fuck she was talking about. Gobbledygook, all of it, delivered in a flat southern twang.

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by Anonymousreply 3806/01/2021

Dat’s da suck job!

by Anonymousreply 3906/01/2021

Supposedly more info can be found re: the recent secret meeting on FB.

From FJ: "t’s called The Beyond Zion Foundation on Facebook. Someone in the insta thread mentioned that this group(person?) had posted about the secret church service & what was said, & I went digging & found it by searching that name on Facebook. "

Many are hoping the cult implodes but Miscavage and others show they can continue even after the death of a charismatic (cough) founder.

by Anonymousreply 4006/01/2021

Yeah, this looks perfectly normal.

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by Anonymousreply 4106/01/2021

I really want to know when, how and why she thought that hair was a good look for her.

by Anonymousreply 4206/01/2021

Well, I never in all my life!

[quote]He is not a wimpy lover; he's a passionate, jealous god. I almost lose my breath when I think he is trying to get my attention. Let him fill you as you have Never. Been. Filled. Before.

[quote]The taste in my mouth of knowing that the lord could fill me up. Um, I had to have it.

[quote]I could really actually depend on god to be my abbafather [Remnant Hebrew!] and to be my daddy.

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by Anonymousreply 4306/01/2021

Jesus was too weak from dieting to save them.

by Anonymousreply 4406/01/2021

r43, it's funny to watch her hair get progressively bigger

by Anonymousreply 4506/01/2021

[quote]Gwen Shamblin Lara & Joe Lara along with 5 leaders from Gwen’s church Remnant Fellowship Church were on the plane.

Now, I'm just going to assume that at least 4 of them were hairdressers, right?

I mean, one person can only tease so much hair...

by Anonymousreply 4606/01/2021

Followers of Christian Diet Leader Gwen Shamblin Lara say they are not sadden by reports of her demise in a plane crash...

"Y'all I heard she's lost even more weight!"

"OMG, I bet she looks even better than ever!"

by Anonymousreply 4706/01/2021

Hopefully wealthy grifter cult leaders dying in plane crashes becomes a new trend.

by Anonymousreply 4806/01/2021

[quote]She's with Jesus now

Um, she's actually in Heaven's Beauty Salon now...under the dryer

"You wouldn't believe what that nasty lake water did to my color and style...it was a nightmare!"

"Luckily Mr. Rafael here worked wonders on my hair - and as soon as I'm dry and teased, I'm looking forward to comparing notes with Jeebus!"

by Anonymousreply 4906/01/2021

That story that the search party had to search in the deep by touch is so darn creepy.

by Anonymousreply 5006/01/2021

My entire fist slid up her pussy.

by Anonymousreply 5106/01/2021

It's been three days. Has Gwen risen yet?

by Anonymousreply 5206/01/2021

Elsewhere someone posted that the size of the congregation had previously maxed out at 3,000, so, how lucrative could it have been? They were living a very high end lifestyle without THAT many cult members to tap for cash. When her books were used in churches worldwide and she was on mainstream tv, why f that up with her dippy doctines? Had to be mental to fumble the bag that way. In contrast, think how many incomes Miscavage can draw on.

by Anonymousreply 5306/01/2021

Has the daughter eaten anything yet?

by Anonymousreply 5406/01/2021

R25, dude with beard is kinda cute. Did he die too?

by Anonymousreply 5506/01/2021

[quote]She's with Jesus now

I don't know her.

by Anonymousreply 5606/01/2021

“The deep” was only 5-7 feet, r50. But, yeah, imagine working your forearm into Percy’s beckoning bottom only to have that wig wrap around your fingers and try to pull you in.

Quelle horreur!

by Anonymousreply 5706/01/2021

I’m on standby if a new version of candle in the wind needs to be written.

by Anonymousreply 5806/01/2021

better title might have been

Second Spoonful: Christian Diet Guru Gwen Shamblin Lara Penetrates Percy Priest!

by Anonymousreply 5906/01/2021

Goodbye Gwen Shamblin

Though I never knew you at all

You had the grace to starve yourself

Into a toothpick stuck in a hairball

Because Jesus hates fatties

And he whispered in your brain

Then set you on the treadmill

And enlarged your ratty mane

And it seems to me you lived your life

Like a thread in the blowhard wind

Never knowing who to cling to

When the cravings set in

And I’m glad I didn’t know you

Because I like to eat

Your candle was snuffed out in a lake

We knew God could smell a fake

by Anonymousreply 6006/01/2021

They should've traveled by vine. It's much safer.

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by Anonymousreply 6106/01/2021

Clearly God punished her for using modern transportation. In no Bible it is mentioned that God created planes. Gwen embraced the ways of Satan and how he and his followers move around in this world.

by Anonymousreply 6206/01/2021

Let's go back to March 2020 when Gwen was all for quarantine because it's biblical and "something Jewish" from 4,000 years ago. She also loses her train of thought quite often and struggles to finish a sentence.

The doctor, a pulmonologist, thinks COVID isn't going to be serious enough for money to be invested in vaccine development and that transmission could be cut 80-90% by hand-washing and reducing fomite transmission. It's kind of an interesting time capsule with a bit of scattered Gwen tossed in.

Also, check out the armful of bracelets on the late David Martin at 34:44. He had to be the one factory-farming the Afghan hounds and making the wigs.

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by Anonymousreply 6306/01/2021

^^ What the he'll is Gwen wearing? A sweater wrapped around a skirt? Did she get fashion tips from Edie Beale?

by Anonymousreply 6406/02/2021

^ She's trying to hide those thunder thighs of hers

by Anonymousreply 6506/02/2021

R63. As I mentioned it the previous thread, she’s wasn’t that skinny. Big as a house!

by Anonymousreply 6606/02/2021

Follow the money 💰

by Anonymousreply 6706/02/2021

Look how bad the ED of the daughter is, her arms are like sticks with no muscle and her hair is so thin.

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by Anonymousreply 6806/02/2021

Good riddance to the lot of them.

Let's see more!

Plane crashes for all the MAGAS everywhere.!!

by Anonymousreply 6906/02/2021

They were rich, but didn't bother to pick a better and more secure, better maintained, plane? They really were tempting fate and fate said "Yes! Today is your day, you stupid cunts!".

by Anonymousreply 7006/02/2021

R68. That daughter looks like a ghoul.

by Anonymousreply 7106/02/2021

The documentary underway is said to be for airing on a "streaming platform" in early 2022 - guessing Netflix or maybe Amazon? Does Amazon do docs? Educating people as to how to recognize cult tactics is so valuable, the RF congregants seem to be well educated and well to do from what I can tell, yet still victimized by this freaky woman and her accolytes.

by Anonymousreply 7206/02/2021

The Netfliix doc on the Rajneesh (sp?) cult was very popular, the combo of cult, notoriety, Tarzan and diets seems like a winning one.

by Anonymousreply 7306/02/2021

How to Wait for Hunger

February 05, 2021

by Gwen Shamblin Lara

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If you need to start over, start now, not Monday, to wait for stomach hunger. You will feel better than you have in a long time. The body appreciates it when you do not force food down the esophagus. The amazing extra energy is going to astound you! Write down how you feel. Look for a small, empty feeling or growl. Some people have had to wait three hours; some have had to wait a day and a half. The more pounds you have to lose or the bigger the last binge was, the longer the wait for your first hunger. After your first hunger, it may come around one to four times per day, depending on how soon you stop eating or how small each eating occasion is.

If you get a headache, it is probably from the strain of a new focus on resisting the temptation to eat. Just take something for the head- ache, and pray for strength. The tension will end. Ask your Father for a clear signal of hunger. Make sure you drink only water or artificially sweetened drinks while waiting. Do not make a habit of chewing sugared gum, hard candy, or your nails, or constantly drinking volumes of coffee, diet drinks, or water. We suggest that you go ahead and eat a small amount of food at the end of 36 hours of waiting, whether you have felt hunger or not, and then start the process over. Hunger should come soon thereafter.

What a dangerous FREAK this woman was. Not too bright either, lots of contradictions in her message. EDs are very common among dieticians, horrible profession for the most part. Jesus seemed to eat a lot of bread and wine, no mention of eating with a baby spoon from my limited biblical knowledge. And beating children to death, think Jesus opposed that one too. Just shocking that so many followed her and enriched her to such an obscene degree.

by Anonymousreply 7406/02/2021

7th Day Adventists promote a vegetarian diet and have had a tremendous impact on US govt recs re: the food pyramid/plate. Not at all based on SCIENCE as one might think but on religous VISIONS. Research it.

Starving cult recruits is a standard tactic. Dieticians are often drawn to the field by their own EDs. What an unholy mix.

by Anonymousreply 7506/02/2021

Starving or malnourished, congregants who are less than robust were thought to be less sexual too

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by Anonymousreply 7606/02/2021

Gwen was one scary bitch. How did so many educated, wealthy people get drawn in?

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by Anonymousreply 7706/02/2021

R77 she gone now!

by Anonymousreply 7806/02/2021

I hoped the whole RF cult would be gone too but it seems there is jockying for power, control and all the $$$. It may survive, Scientology survivied the loss of L Ron.

by Anonymousreply 7906/02/2021

jockeying, ugh, Muriel, an edit button, pretty pls!

by Anonymousreply 8006/02/2021

Trump should have his ancient 757 put back in service to fly all around on. Don’t bother getting a new engine, it can run on one.

by Anonymousreply 8106/02/2021

Lol, R81

by Anonymousreply 8206/02/2021

She was crazy like a fox and seems to have had plausible deniability in mind at all times. The people running her workshops would say one thing, but when she was the one speaking and it was on record, she would never cross the line into territory that couldn’t be explained away as: “All I do is tell people to eat when they’re hungry and stop eating when they’re full. Is that really so controversial?”

On video, she doesn’t fetishize individual salt crystals sparkling like diamonds on a 1/2” piece of French fry and talk about praying for a sign that it won’t be sinful to eat the next 1/2” piece. She never says fat people are going to hell. She even recommends eating at least once every 36 hours, hungry or not (which must have killed her to say), in another installment of this video.

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[quote]She even recommends eating at least once every 36 hours, hungry or not (which must have killed her to say), in another installment of this video.

What kind of fat pig would eat every 36 hours?

by Anonymousreply 8406/02/2021

In the interview with the local news re: the poor dead child she seems to be a bit less PR savvy.

by Anonymousreply 8506/02/2021

R74 wow great link/copy/post. And that’s why I visit The Lounge.

It seems like as Gwen gained more power and more money, she became more extreme. What first were weight loss hints became a “ministry” with a whole mumbo jumbo mixture of Jewish glitzy celebratory occasions and some basic Christian teachings. All the while wrapped in meaningless praise terms and new rules.

So back in the day it took decades/centuries for a cult to take hold. (I see you Joseph Smith.) How Gwen could do this sham in as little as 20 years is amazing.

by Anonymousreply 8606/02/2021

America had a lot of stupid people in it.

by Anonymousreply 8706/02/2021

Leaders need a firm hand when they gain more and more followers. Some don't realize how difficult it is to keep so many people on their toes or under your thumb to do your bidding.

by Anonymousreply 8806/02/2021

Miscavage realizes, R88. Whether RFhas a Miscavage on deck remains to be seen.

Looking forward to the doc that is in progress.

by Anonymousreply 8906/02/2021

Speaking of Joseph Smith, she also appropriated Kolob as her own. If Elizabeth is Brigham Young, who will be her Porter Rockwell? What about Strang and Rigdon? This could get very entertaining.

It’s such a mishmash of Jewish holidays, Unification Church mass weddings (engagements, in Gwen’s case), Pearl child abuse, pro-ana advice forum, and anything else that caught her eye.

An Unbelievable Love Story

August 05, 2019

by Gwen Shamblin Lara

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God’s will is protecting and ensuring the eternal existence of love, and that will never end—as long as the stars twinkle and the sun rises in the east and the moon reflects light! Stop and imagine an enormous separate planet far away, populated with love-filled Saints from thousands of centuries. It would be a planet of no pain—a painless planet, with a Leader who would ever ensure no breach of hateful emotions, ensured by colossal walls with white pearly gates.

So this wonder-filled God of Love was obviously desirous of personal associations, so He became the author of all beautiful, ever-faithful relationships. The Bible is a rich history that reflects the search for the loving hearts, starting with Abraham, whose offspring went down to Egypt and then were rescued by God, and finally these populous two million Hebrews became Zion and established Jerusalem—the City of Peace. It is an unbelievable love story and a telling journey of the ups and downs as the children of God learned love from hate.

Read more in The History of the Love of God, Volume II

by Anonymousreply 9006/02/2021

Probably a scheduled autopost but another vid has been posted on Gwen's YT.

More bts goss: after the secret no phones meeting a few weeks ago, the constitutionalist one, where Gwen railed against Biden and claimed racism is not real, many famlies of color walked out. Things were a bit in turmoil before the crash. Lots of $$$ at stake, will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Looking forward to the doc coming in 2022, has been in progress.

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by Anonymousreply 9106/02/2021

Durville Patton is calling Gwen's death an "opportunity to push the Remnant Fellowship forward." The other couple in the video was removed from their leadership positions a while back, but now that there's a power vacuum they've suddenly resurfaced.

The jockeying for position will be glorious to behold.

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by Anonymousreply 9206/02/2021

What creepy people. I read on FJ that this guy's fam is one of the only black families left after Gwen recently declared that racism is fiction and people are just clinging to being victims. Many got up and walked out.

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[quote]More bts goss: after the secret no phones meeting a few weeks ago, the constitutionalist one, where Gwen railed against Biden and claimed racism is not real, many famlies of color walked out

Gwen doesn't strike me as having been terribly bright, however successful she was as a cult leader.

by Anonymousreply 9406/02/2021

Agree, alienating all the Christian churches who stopped selling her book and hosting her program over doctrine she likely did not even believe herself was super bone headed.

She has harmed many and destroyed many families, very sad. And encouraging the abuse of children, Jesus was pretty against that. He seemed to eat and drink with the apostles quite a bit, not a lot of licking rather than eating the food. Yet, many well educated people with good jobs were drawn in, even cut off family members.

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by Anonymousreply 9906/02/2021

"Gwen doesn't strike me as having been terribly bright, however successful she was as a cult leader. "

Have you met Donald Trump?

by Anonymousreply 10006/03/2021

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by Anonymousreply 10106/03/2021

Talk about stunty, this dude went and swam around in the lake

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by Anonymousreply 10206/03/2021

RF is having a service on Saturday for the deceased, not sure if it will be streamed.

by Anonymousreply 10306/03/2021

From a comment on YT

"I don't think there was an intentional act here, otherwise why even answer ATC? From the pilot's response, Dan seems right that this guy was quickly getting behind the aircraft. If that is so, now the question is: Did he lose a piece, or simply lose ability to stay ahead of the aircraft? And what about rumors of a phone call from the plane after takeoff?"

I thought using cell phones on planes interferred with operations? I read that a family member was watching the flight on radar and saw what happened and contacted Elizabeth or Michael. It was only in the air for 2ish min.

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“If you want to be closer to God, you must give us all your money“

by Anonymousreply 10606/03/2021

That area of TN is very expensive, these are well educated cult members. I could see targeting women with the diet scam but what was in it for men? It seems like there are plenty of mainstream churches, what would be the appeal of a cult? Also, I thought fundies did not like women in leadership? Once she got her hooks in and isolated people, esp if they moved there and only knew church people, I can see it as easier to keep going. At least until her views on racism caused a minor walkout. But esp if you started out remote, how to set the hook to get to the cult lovebombing stage? The idea that God hates you if you eat a donut is not very appealing.

by Anonymousreply 10706/03/2021

Would you bitches hurry up and cast this?!?

by Anonymousreply 10806/03/2021

GLENN???

by Anonymousreply 10906/03/2021

Has anyone heard if the 'human remains' they're pulling out of the lake are full bodies or bits & bobs, heads & knobs?

by Anonymousreply 11006/03/2021

R107 thinks only well educated people have money... I bet you most are business owners without degrees.

by Anonymousreply 11106/03/2021

I think nothing of the kind, R111 but many at RF have advanced degrees.

by Anonymousreply 11206/03/2021

Obviously none that require critical thinking.

by Anonymousreply 11306/03/2021

I know of someone IRL with a PhD in a hard science who is involved in a cult, much like Rajneesh group. He has now risen to be a revered figure, appeals to his narcissism and desire for power over others. His cult is also into the freaky sex stuff and I am sure that was part of the appeal. He is well published in his field, not intellectually stunted.

There are many hooks that these groups set. Many experienced family estrangement when loved ones became involved with RF or Scientology, their family members were not socially disconnected loners that were easily targeted by human connection.

Perhaps the upcoming RF documentary will shed some light on recruitment practices.

by Anonymousreply 11406/03/2021

Mind Control Made Easy vid

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by Anonymousreply 11506/03/2021

I think Lauren Weedman could play Gwen. She was in Looking, and I just saw her on an episode of Hacks.

by Anonymousreply 11606/03/2021

Who might play the daughter? Elizabeth, who changed her name from Michelle? She seemed to be a more normal weight until she lost a child to stillbirth or SIDS, unclear which. She became emaciated after that. Gwen used to tell a story about how her daughter as a tiny child would ask for food and she would deny her. Sick bitch. Really hope this group implodes and those suffering from EDs and estrangements can get help to heal.

by Anonymousreply 11706/03/2021

I think the hook for men is that women are taught to be subservient to men. When the wife is part of the cult, she is told to submit to her husband in all ways...except if he tells her to leave the RFC. I am sure that is can be extremely appealing to men.

by Anonymousreply 11806/03/2021

I could see that, R118. The cult being run by a woman they all deferred to - mommy issues?

by Anonymousreply 11906/03/2021

Lauren Weedman defo has the look, add a few wigs and you've got Gwen.

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by Anonymousreply 12006/03/2021

They defo targeted the young and had love bombing down. From FJ

Posted yesterday at 11:16 AM On 6/1/2021 at 2:39 PM, mghjuno said: I have a question for anyone with a personal connection to this church. I grew up in Brentwood & still live in a nearby town, and I keep getting surprised by the comments that she “encouraged people to move to Brentwood.” That’s not something that just anyone can do. Since this church had existed you would have to be extremely wealthy to move to Brentwood. (I’m a genXer who was lucky enough to buy a house long before the crazy Williamson County real estate bubble, or I’d be priced out of my own home town). So this makes me wonder, did she specifically try to attract the extremely wealthy to her church from out of town?

OR is there any truth to the suspicion/rumors that I’ve heard that many members would live together in a house, maybe with several of them paying rent to her or the wealthy homeowner? Of course, “move to Brentwood” might just mean move to within an hour or less of the church which wouldn’t have been unreasonable for most people until this year when home prices went insane everywhere.

We know people who BARELY make ends meet to be able to live in the Brentwood/Franklin area. We also know people who ended up purchasing homes around 45 minutes from Brentwood, simply because Brentwood/Franklin wasn't affordable at all, but as soon as it was feasible they moved closer to RF. We know people who live in tiny houses/condos, rather than more comfortable homes, because it keeps them closer to RF.

As far as people living together, I can't speak of married couples doing this (I've heard of it, but nobody I know), but I know that's how they got the younger members of my family out there... it was nice to move out to TN and move into a gorgeous mansion and suddenly be surrounded by a bunch of people who wanted to be your best friend. I know of quite a few young people (early 20s) who lived with wealthy members of the group for years so they could move out to Brentwood. They were most definitely used as live-in housekeepers and babysitters.

Oddly enough, even when these young people could have lived with their own family members (as more and more people moved out there) they still lived with wealthy members of the church. It was odd, and I remember asking my husband why they would live with other church members when they could be living with parents or aunts/uncles. It was kind of weird.

by Anonymousreply 12106/03/2021

R115 last year during the first lockdown, I had that kind of ads on YT, it was really weird, I don't watch videos on cults or religions, more like asmr shit, but I was invited to follow a training to start my own "spiritual group". YT has some very weird ads, last month it was an ad for a conspiracy about the 5G network...

by Anonymousreply 12206/03/2021

Can you please change the name of that lake now?

by Anonymousreply 12306/03/2021

The Remembrance service on Sat looks like it will be live streamed.

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by Anonymousreply 12406/03/2021

Statement re: the accident

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by Anonymousreply 12506/03/2021

This is a bit alarming. The world is poorly regulated.

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by Anonymousreply 12606/03/2021

The cult is holding fast to the lie that his medical clearance was current. Rumors are that he was aware it had lapsed and there were reasons for it. But, dead now.

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by Anonymousreply 12706/03/2021

I imagine if he was not medicallly certified that there would be no insurance payouts. Would the cult fake docs? They did a lot of shady stuff when that poor child was killed, so, who knows? They are ALL about the benjamins after all.

by Anonymousreply 12806/03/2021

[quote]Talk about stunty, this dude went and swam around in the lake

He has a history of racing to crash sites and taking debris home with him. He took an entire throttle body from one site and I have no idea whether the NTSB ever got their hands on it.

If anyone is going to find that wig, it's him.

by Anonymousreply 12906/03/2021

When he went bobbing wearing a baseball cap it was beyond stunty.

More discussion of the med cert

"It appears that there may be some conflation of the requirements here. A second class license, which is what Joe had listed on his FAA form shown in this video, needs a medical certificate every twelve months.

If a second class certification was needed to fly the plane involved in the accident, then he appears to have been out of compliance, even with the proffered copy of a more recent medical certificate."

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by Anonymousreply 13006/03/2021

Seemed super safety conscious driving on the highway speaking to a cameral with no seat belt on. Or parked on the shoulder, also super dangerous, speaking to a camera.

Had no idea so many nutty people were flying small planes.

by Anonymousreply 13106/03/2021

R131, it’s just like boats. Once you’re licensed, people give you special treatment just in case they need you to pilot their planes.

I’ve helped an old woman and an old man - in a public funded retirement home - who were given planes and drank the planes and their licenses away. They told stories of flying idiots where the parties never seemed to end.

by Anonymousreply 13206/03/2021

[quote]Had no idea so many nutty people were flying small planes.

Or big ones. He's rated for a quite a few and he was flying for Delta at the time of his arrest.

by Anonymousreply 13306/03/2021

I thought pilots would be screened for mental issues and substance abuse? I would hope, anyway! I had never heard of this guy or Gwen, what a cast of characters.

by Anonymousreply 13406/03/2021

[quote]If a second class certification was needed to fly the plane involved in the accident

Medical certification is tied to the pilot’s license class, not to the plane being flown.

A commercial license isn’t required. Citations can be flown by a single pilot with a private pilot license and a few additional requirements (multi-engine rating, Citation type-rating, etc.), but since Joe held a commercial pilot license, he would be required to have the corresponding medical certification.

by Anonymousreply 13506/03/2021

I am not sure if the cult is trying to protect the rep of one of their leaders or if they are trying for a viable insurance claim? Another theory is that he had the medical cert signed but had not processed it with FAA? That seems even more far fetched. Over the weekend the rumors were that he had NOT updated the cert for reasons. And since pilots, to my surprise, are not required to have insurance, I am guessing any insurance claims would be against life insurance policies? There are several minor kids involved who would need to be provided for, including Joe's child.

by Anonymousreply 13606/03/2021

Yikes, R132. I do know that there is a LOT of very dangerous boating that goes on but planes seem more likely to kill others, unless you are that Ryan O'Neal kid.

That aviation "expert" guy seems like quite the loose cannon himself.

by Anonymousreply 13706/03/2021

Judy Davis might be a good Gwen.

by Anonymousreply 13806/03/2021

Black Meryl as Gwen, The Boiled Elf Herself Ellen as the scheming daughter & OBVIOUSLY 🙄 Jim Caviezel as Tarzan.

by Anonymousreply 13906/03/2021

Lol, stealing this, funny, along with comments calling G "a hair mat with lipstick" lol.

"Why would anyone's children have a birthright to be Prophet 2.0?

or as I would have it, "The Hair Apparent".

by Anonymousreply 14006/03/2021

I think Uma Thurman, dieted down a bit, could play Michelle/Elizabeth.

Several of the women seem to go by more than one name, cults are weird.

by Anonymousreply 14106/03/2021

R138 the daughter Elizabeth is a better fit. She looks like Judy Davis playing end stage Judy Garland. Catherine O’Hara would make a good Gwen.

by Anonymousreply 14206/03/2021

Will Elizabeth start wearing blond fright wigs? One does wonder. Anyone planning to watch the stream on Saturday?

by Anonymousreply 14306/03/2021

R143 I also wonder how she’s going to steal the crown. Her current look if I can call it that is depressed, malnourished sister wife. The opposite of aging stripper Gwen. We should ALL attend the funeral.

by Anonymousreply 14406/03/2021

Hmmm, a watch thread could be fun. Check your time zone, TN appears to be different than US East Coast.

Elizabeth will also be grappling for a way to continue to support her minor children, if the cult falls apart, no more high end lifestyle.

by Anonymousreply 14506/03/2021

Melissa Leo as Gwen

71-year-old Sissy Spacek as Elizabeth

DL fave Terry Miller as David Martin

Cynthia Nixon’s wife as Brandon

The first three will need a 40-day water fast to be “pure” enough for their roles. The latter, time to grow out the curls and beard and a dozen back-to-back fasts.

by Anonymousreply 14606/03/2021

This site has great resources.

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by Anonymousreply 14806/03/2021

I can't believe I'd never heard of this cult before and I regularly check Tony Ortega's Scientology blog and occasionally skim Free Jinger. Jesus. Cults are sinister enough, but to couch and justify a dangerous collective eating disorder in Scripture and bullshit is beyond the pale. It wouldn't surprise me if the children and teens lag behind others in their age cohort on expected growth, height, weight, bone density, etc.

I have a feeling the dietary nonsense will be gone by the wayside as people begin to loosen up after their guru's death.

by Anonymousreply 14906/03/2021

Not to mention the MURDERED child where the cult vigorously defended the parents, R149. They are still involved from prison where they are serving life + 30 years each.

by Anonymousreply 15006/03/2021

This blog is only available on the wayback machine.

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Elizabeth would be stupid to give up such an easy income stream. They’re charging $69.99 for the introductory video course and $19.99/month or $235/year for the app.

It isn’t like a normal weight-loss service where there’s pressure to constantly come up with new content like workouts, meal plans, and seasonal recipes.

They already have a ton of content and rely heavily on users to provide more, so Prophet 2.0 will only have to flaunt her slim pins and churn out a short video now and then.

Plus, she’s lived her whole life this way. It’s possible she thinks the general-public version isn’t rigid enough and she’ll try to bring in the more extreme elements.

by Anonymousreply 15206/03/2021

I think you may be onto something, R152, Miscavage certainly turned the screws. Elizabeth/Michelle seems to have no profession and now she has 4 young kids to raise w/o her husband. Life insurance may be iffy re: payouts given the circumstances, if he even had it. So forging forward seems to be the agenda from the text immediately after the crash. But, there may be competition for control, her SIL is said to be quite aggressive as well.

by Anonymousreply 15306/03/2021

She’ll simply sell off real assets and begin a traveling revival show featuring Gwen Shamblin Relics©️. Donations exceeding $1,000 earn a lock of the True Hair Reaching For God©️.

Gwen’s last babtismal water - where she met her maker - can be bottled and sold as a cleanse. Steeped and filtered by the hair of Gwen. This is not fat hair! This is Freed hair!

by Anonymousreply 15406/03/2021

In the event of a water landing, your hair will become a flotation device.

by Anonymousreply 15506/03/2021

You must be a born leader and / or entertainer. Successful cults are run by leaders who can charm and convince the followers into submission. That daughter doesn't look like she has that skill.

by Anonymousreply 15606/03/2021

Everyone should watch the video at R5's link. About 1/3rd into it she talks about how kids were locked in rooms, closets, etc., until they lost weight, and how great that was for them.

The woman was BEYOND sick.

by Anonymousreply 15706/03/2021

That fellow Dan Gryder (videos linked above) believes the plane hit the lake extremely hard. Also, the main part of the airplane is still down there and it appears it will just be left. I guess retrievals are expensive and dangerous. But that seems creepy. Or symbolic.

by Anonymousreply 15806/04/2021

Baptisms to be performed at our new Gwen Lake!

by Anonymousreply 15906/04/2021

Seems like leaving it might not be safe for boaters as it is said to be shallow?

by Anonymousreply 16006/04/2021

R160 not to mention if your motor catches Gwen’s wig and pulls you all into the water like a sea monste!

by Anonymousreply 16106/04/2021

Breaking News: Gwen's wig has absorbed the entire lake, making the recovery process surprisingly easy.

by Anonymousreply 16206/04/2021

Those Dan Gryder videos are so self-aggrandizing, frustrating for their lack of any real information, and are hard to take seriously when you learn more about his past. My God, the look on newscaster Chelsea's face - he's clearly already said a million sexually inappropriate things to her before the camera rolled, can't wait for him to shut up and leave, and added nothing of import during that segment. And doping his segments parked dangerously by the side of an interstate, with the car shaking after each close pass by a big truck. This guy is a moron.

by Anonymousreply 16306/04/2021

Dumb to claim to promote safety and to drive on the highway with no seat belt and staring in to a drone camera in the car, too. What was the excuse for the bizzare meltdown in his past? Drugs? Alcohol? Mental illness? He should have lost his pilot's license.

by Anonymousreply 16406/04/2021

In essence he did, r164.

by Anonymousreply 16506/04/2021

This saga has so many angles. I can see multiple series with spin-offs.

by Anonymousreply 16606/04/2021

Fascinated by the gaunt, anorexic, creepy daughter with limp, flat hair. Did mother dictate that daughter's hair had to be nothing like hers? Will daughter start teasing her hair and wearing wigs now so she can take over mom's role?

by Anonymousreply 16706/04/2021

R167 I think her hair is falling out due to anorexia. She also dresses like she just arrived from the 1600s. The complete opposite of Gwen.

by Anonymousreply 16806/04/2021

From FJ: maybe paperwork was submitted or processed post-crash?

He did have a current medical per the FAA database, which has updated since the weekend when I ran it:

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Per the FAA he was completely qualified to fly that airplane.

I have no idea how or why it wasn't showing it before, because I confirmed it myself (in fact, I think I posted a screenshot of it in this thread) but it definitely shows him with the proper qualifications now.

by Anonymousreply 16906/04/2021

More discussion at FJ re: pilot credentials

I'm not suggesting that a doctor falsified anything. Just that maybe an older document was submitted post-crash and accepted by the FAA.

I mean, that's not impossible I suppose, but this is a completely different medical certificate than the one he had before, and someone would have had to sign it and submit it under their name. I can't see anyone putting their medical license and freedom at risk to pull a shenanigan, especially when they know that those documents are going to be under a microscope.

by Anonymousreply 17006/04/2021

Any pilot or poster who is familiar with the FAA care to speculate as to what happened since the weekend with his med cert?

by Anonymousreply 17106/04/2021

More re: cert from FJ, strange that it would change since the crash, wonder what the date of the exam was?

He doesn’t submit it - the doctor who does the examination does electronically, and they’re required to keep copies of all the stuff related to that medical certificate as supporting documentation if the FAA and NTSB comes a-calling.

(Or so the pilot I spoke to on the topic tells me.)

by Anonymousreply 17206/04/2021

Tik Tok of the couple flying

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by Anonymousreply 17306/04/2021

What am I missing? A class II (commercial) medical certificate is only valid for one year. His is dated 11/19.

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by Anonymousreply 17406/04/2021

Who cares about the certificate?

by Anonymousreply 17506/04/2021

The person R169 is quoting, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 17606/04/2021

I believe his cert would be good for 2 years so until 11/21. No idea why that was not showing in the FAA database last weekend. It matters in the sense that it was thought he was flying without proper valid credentials. The step SIL was not certified to fly a jet so the focus was on Tarzan's credentials.

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[quote] to the pure, all things are pure." That's how she got away with drinking, compulsive shopping, flying around the world on vacations, etc. That's why she could openly take prescription drugs while members who were ratted out for taking them (or who confessed) were forced to flush them down the toilet in front of upper management. Of course, Gwen was the sole judge of who was pure and who was impure.

Oh yeah, Gwen was pure alright, a pure cunt

by Anonymousreply 17906/04/2021

I think she had that hairdo to look taller than she really is, like compensating next to her husband? Except she looked ridiculous in the process.

by Anonymousreply 18006/04/2021

She had the hair for years, Tarzan was a recent addition. The long term hubs was not involved in the cult and was cut loose for being tubby, it appears.

by Anonymousreply 18106/04/2021

[quote]I believe his cert would be good for 2 years so until 11/21.

Your own link contradicts that, R177.

He had a commercial pilot license, which is dated 3/11/2020 at the FAA link. For a CPL, you need a class II (or higher) medical certificate. From your link:

[quote]Second-class medical certificate

[quote] (i) Any age

[quote]an airline transport pilot certificate for second-in-command privileges (other than the operations specified in paragraph (d)(1) of this section), [quote]a commercial pilot certificate,[quote] or an air traffic control tower operator certificate

[quote]12th month after the month of the date of examination shown on the medical certificate.

You're not allowed to fly with an expired medical certification or one that doesn't correspond with your type of pilot license. I have a PPL — that is the one that's valid for 24/60 months, depending on age. If I wanted to, I could go and have a class II or class I medical exam and receive that type of medical certificate, but it wouldn't have any bearing on my license, because the PPL is the lowest grade of pilot license.

It doesn't work the other way around; if you have a CPL, you need a class II or class I medical certification. You can't be a commercial pilot with class III medical.

by Anonymousreply 18206/04/2021

Ugh. That should have been [ / bold ], obviously

by Anonymousreply 18306/04/2021

Thanks, R182. Any thoughts on why the record was suddenly updated from the weekend when the med exam appears to have been in 2019? Is a significant delay in processing common?

by Anonymousreply 18406/04/2021

Thoughts and prayers for the poor innocent capybara or whatever species it was that was being forced to live on this woman's head.

by Anonymousreply 18506/04/2021

W&W R185.

by Anonymousreply 18606/04/2021

[quote] Chapter Two: Christian Diet Guru Gwen Shamblin Lara Penetrates Percy Priest!

Oh my, that does sound quite scandalous, I sure hope that it was all done with the utmost proper Christian dignity, as all deep penetrations should be.

by Anonymousreply 18706/04/2021

[quote]Cynthia Nixon’s wife as Brandon

That's ROJO CALIENTE to you!

by Anonymousreply 18806/04/2021

I don't know why that would be, R184. When Tarzan's license first came up, I checked the database and all of my info was up to date.

A delay in updating isn't something I had ever even thought about. You fill out an online FAA questionnaire, get the exam, take your hard copy and go. The doctor's office is supposed to do everything else.

by Anonymousreply 18906/04/2021

[quote] My entire fist slid up her pussy. —Rescue Diver

Oh my, that is quite the graphic visual

by Anonymousreply 19006/04/2021

[quote] Has the daughter eaten anything yet?

Yes, she’s just fine. She had a tic tac for lunch followed by a sensible dinner - two peas and a kernel of corn. There’s nothing to see here people, move on

by Anonymousreply 19106/04/2021

[quote] Goodbye Gwen Shamblin

Though I never knew you at all

You had the grace to starve yourself

Into a toothpick stuck in a hairball

Because Jesus hates fatties

And he whispered in your brain

Then set you on the treadmill

And enlarged your ratty mane

And it seems to me you lived your life

Like a thread in the blowhard wind

Never knowing who to cling to

When the cravings set in

And I’m glad I didn’t know you

Because I like to eat

Your candle was snuffed out in a lake

We knew God could smell a fake

—Sir Elton's lyricist

That was lovely, just lovely. She and hair thank you for honoring her memory so eloquently

by Anonymousreply 19206/04/2021

I just thought of something. Class I and II medical certificates automatically drop down to the next class upon their expiration when the lower class has a longer expiration period. So while he could fly the plane, he couldn't make any money from it.

A godly man would never fly with a class III — non-commercial — medical certificate and accept payment for his services and/or write those trips off as business expenses, so I'm sure there's nothing to worry about.

by Anonymousreply 19306/04/2021

[quote]She had a tic tac for lunch followed by a sensible dinner - two peas and a kernel of corn.

But, following her mother's dictates, before she had the second pea, she meditated and prayed on it, to make sure she was still actually hungry and not just stuffing her face.

by Anonymousreply 19406/04/2021

That bitch will be on Dr Now’s show by next year!

by Anonymousreply 19506/04/2021

By Gwen's logic, a Tic Tac as a meal would be fine. But mints aren't allowed between meals because the hand-to-mouth motion gets hijacked by the devil and he uses it to trick the brain into mistaking head hunger for stomach hunger. We do NOT feed head hunger!

by Anonymousreply 19606/04/2021

She must have been a hard core drinker if TARZAN sounded more competent.

From FJ: "My brother was into drama and he sometimes used the expression "fighting her lines" to describe someone who hadn't really learned her lines and was struggling to say them correctly. That's how I would describe Gwen's sermons. She always seems to be "fighting her lines", struggling to figure out what to say and how to say it, and not really managing it.

The weird thing is that she wasn’t saying anything new, so she should have had it down. It should not have been such a struggle to talk about the thing she had been talking about for decades. I really think one of the reasons they stopped the live chats was because she absolutely could not answer questions. That and the fact that slip up and admit to things like drinking too much. Those live chats weren’t a good look for her. Especially since Joe could answer questions and sound like a competent human."

by Anonymousreply 19706/04/2021

Tarzan was plotting to take over her empire.

by Anonymousreply 19806/04/2021

Elizabeth and Brandon

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by Anonymousreply 19906/04/2021

What an absolutely disgusting photo. I told her again and again that a strapless gown would make her look fat. But did Miss Piggy Hippo listen to me? Heck to the no.

by Anonymousreply 20006/04/2021

And she had the gall to eat cake on her wedding day! CAKE!

by Anonymousreply 20106/04/2021

You just know that the Zombie Gwen Shamblin Lara costume will be *the* one to beat this Halloween. Get your wig NOW.

by Anonymousreply 20206/04/2021

I certainly hope the bride is wearing a bustle under that wedding gown at R199. Otherwise she gives "fat ass" whole new meaning.

by Anonymousreply 20306/04/2021

Reading about this cult and its leaders makes me wonder if sheer bloody hunger affected their decision-making i.e. loading down the plane with too much luggage. Gwen had dizzy spells and couldn’t articulate her own teachings, hello? That sounds like ongoing dysfunction. Idiot! So is anyone who follows her ideas.

by Anonymousreply 20406/04/2021

One need only have looked at her hairdo to know that Gwen had more than a few screws loose.

by Anonymousreply 20506/04/2021

Anyone planning to stream the RF service this am?

by Anonymousreply 20606/05/2021

RF stream

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I just got hypnotized watching the picture show on that lifestream link. Joe had a botched eye job. Gwen's dizzying array of little girl dresses, bad hair, and crazy eyes!

by Anonymousreply 20806/05/2021

Joe defo had some bad work. Quite a few kids lost a parent(s) although hopefully Joe's daughter is now out of the cult.

by Anonymousreply 20906/05/2021

R209- I have been meaning to say that. Most men look so bad after eye jobs. So feminine and it always looks wrong and either pulled tight or all hollowed and scooped out.

Less is more for men.

by Anonymousreply 21006/05/2021

That otherwise-sexless boy singer in the Live Stream just now has a lot of junk filling that too-tight crotchal region.

by Anonymousreply 21106/05/2021

Wow excellent PR having that black dude on first.

by Anonymousreply 21206/05/2021

r212, and he's nervous and rocking as he tried to maintain a calm visage (while gulping) when the old white guy speaks.

I'm noticing they have great and flattering cameras. The stage camera is set low and slightly stretches the body making everybody look thinner and taller. Good work, Gwennie! Shame you aren't here to enjoy it.

by Anonymousreply 21306/05/2021

R213 these fundie churches are like going to a concert. Big screens, lights, cameras!!

by Anonymousreply 21406/05/2021

Esp after Gwen declared racism is not real in a no phones meeting and most other black families walked out, quite something for a cult, where many had cut off family and relocated to participate.

The guy speaking now also did a tv interview, has quite a grifter vibe.

I do feel bad for the kids who lost a parent, except Joe's daughter. He tried to cut off her mother and claimed that the mom had sexually abused the little girl. Gwen's $ fueled a vicious custody battle. Glad she will not grow up in a pro ana cult. Gwen and Joe were a lot alike. He was doing odd jobs in TN and she basically cast him as her 2nd hubs based on his appearance and some Disney princess fantasies. Loathesome people. That the cult went all out to defend parents WHO KILLED THEIR CHILD is telling. They still participate from prison. The dead kid's older brother helped put them away with his testimony. If anyone prays, pray for that kid.

I hope Gwen and Joe suffered. Not only grifters but DUMB. Why cut off all those Christian churches with her made up mishmash doctrine. Talk about DUMB. But, she had gotten mainstream attention then, if that had continued maybe the cult would have fallen apart sooner.

The Gwen Joe engagement and wedding videos are beyond creepy. WHAT is it when an elderly woman wants to play princess. Not a mid-life crisis, is there even a word for it? And I thought fundies did not like women in charge?

by Anonymousreply 21506/05/2021

From FJ, wonder how this aspect will play out? Martyrdom?

"True, but there’s a Difference: In Christianity their ramblings are said to point to the coming of the Messiah (aka Jesus of Nazareth),

and in Judaism the same ramblings are studied and speculated upon and parsed as part of the mystery of G-d’s revelations to the people of G-D.

In the case of the RF, neither appears to be the case. Except possibly to emphasize that for behavior (aka disobedience to RF), G-d will smite you beyond smithereens.

I wonder if they will tone that down now. Blessings and curses and all that.

Because if, as RF insists, Joe was a healthy experienced pilot and super careful in plane maintenance and it couldn't possibly be human error because it would make it Joe's fault, why are they dead? Did somebody smite them?"

by Anonymousreply 21606/05/2021

Buy a fucking lectern! It looks sloppy having people just stand in front of a mic with scraps of paper!

by Anonymousreply 21706/05/2021

That lady looks a bit large for RF, no? They need the token black members, the ones who did not walk out when Gwen declared racism is not real in a no phones meeting, or else they likely would have shunned this woman.

by Anonymousreply 21806/05/2021

Per Free Jinger pretty much all were recruited to the cult through the WDW, almost all women, then the men were drawn in too. They particularly targeted the young and encouraged them to move to TN and live with wealthy members. If Gwen did not care for your profession she would direct you to change it.

by Anonymousreply 21906/05/2021

Why does that lady seem so excited and happy given the occasion?

by Anonymousreply 22006/05/2021

David was straight? Was this his fuck buddy?

by Anonymousreply 22106/05/2021

R220 you tell me

by Anonymousreply 22206/05/2021

At least this guy seems upset, as is appropriate for the occasion.

by Anonymousreply 22306/05/2021

Several speakers have mentioned Michelle/Elizabeth, the creepy and ill looking ANA daughter. I think they may first try to have her inherit the mantle. She has 4 young kids and also just lost her husband, shame their well being could not be her focus. These people really are about power and money.

by Anonymousreply 22406/05/2021

Jennifer looks quite ana in some of the photos too.

Wonder if some of the kids have stunted height due to calorie restriction. Gwen used to speak of her very young daughter asking for food and denying it to her. Sick bunch.

Glad that mainstream churches cut her off so the ana cult did not become even more widespread.

by Anonymousreply 22506/05/2021

The son, Michael, has also been mentioned in an "annointed" kind of way but did not speak live, he did a taped remembrance, not sure what else to call it.

The read statements by the orphaned kids are quite tragic. Shame they got on a small jet in overcast weather with an inept pilot who was none too bright. I know parents who do not travel on the same plane for this reason. Wonder if the daughters of the dead will double down on ana behaviors now?

by Anonymousreply 22606/05/2021

Not too many mentions of God, more of GWEN.

by Anonymousreply 22706/05/2021

I can see why mainstream Christian churches turned their back on the cult teachings which deified Gwen.

From FJ:

"They're reading letters from two Martin daughters... And this is the second time they've mentioned someone being "ultimately loyal to Gwen Shambling." Not God - GWEN. The first daughter said loyal to Gwen and God but I think it's telling that the second letter is just saying over and over and over "loyal to GWEN SHAMBLIN LARA." NOT loyal to God, NOT loyal to Christ, NOT loyal to the Word... Loyal to GWEN.

If any RF people are reading this - please note this. It is not only in the one letter - it has been this entire service.

The previous speaker even said that David Martin always told people he would be willing to lay down his life in defense of Gwen's ministry. He didn't say "lay down my life for God". It was "lay down my life for Gwen".

by Anonymousreply 22806/05/2021

RF has eerie similarities to Jonestown. Instead of kool-aid, starvation.

by Anonymousreply 22906/05/2021

Someone is talking about them laying down their lives for the salvation of the RF congregation, suspect most Christians would say the Martins were not JC. So martyrs I guess.

by Anonymousreply 23006/05/2021

[quote] much of the recovery being done by touch vs sight

eww

by Anonymousreply 23106/05/2021

What was up with David and all the bracelets he wore?

by Anonymousreply 23206/05/2021

The color coding is so strange - white shirts with white ties?

by Anonymousreply 23306/05/2021

In a long shot it appears the room is not full.

Maybe the schism of a few weeks ago re: Gwen declaring racism is not real (no phones allowed) and now this, the cult is starting to implode a bit?

by Anonymousreply 23406/05/2021

One of Elizabeth/Michelle's young daughters also looks underweight. Odd for very young girls to be wearing makeup and scarlet lipstick in photos.

Seems she is going to grasp at the cult leader role. Hopefully one day she will recover from her own ANA. She is said to be a mean girl like her mother and to have been a dedicated flying monkey/enforcer of cult rules.

by Anonymousreply 23506/05/2021

[quote]Wonder if the daughters of the dead will double down on ana behaviors now?

They had better, if they don't want me Fruma Sarah-ing them from the grave.

by Anonymousreply 23606/05/2021

Many of the men are quite emotional.

Very sad for the kids.

Cults are scary. Lovebombing and isolation are effective.

Surprised the portly son did not speak. Wonder what his dad thinks? He was never really part of the church and seemed to get out with a good multimillion dollar divorce settlement. Tarzan never seemed to like Gwen much, he was just cast for the Disney princess consort role. He was in over his head with that plane and re: the weather and killed 6 other people. Maybe Gwen should have stuck with the chubby hubby of decades.

by Anonymousreply 23706/05/2021

I have never seen people stand and applaud at a memorial service? This veers between very sad and cult pep rally.

by Anonymousreply 23806/05/2021

White tie guy was a founder and may be one who came up with the RF name.

by Anonymousreply 23906/05/2021

Gwen held cotton candy at the Eiffel Tower.

by Anonymousreply 24006/05/2021

Just to say I so appreciate the posts here on this forum. As I learn about this cult I’m just stunned. Just stunned how Gwen and her ana bs turned-into-a-ministry even got a forum.

Clearly “Elizabeth” (Michelle) doesn’t have Gwen’s starvation charisma. I pray this ridiculous Remnant “Church” just folds.

I’m just here for the financials. But I have to wonder how Joe Lara even got visitation with his daughter.

by Anonymousreply 24106/05/2021

[quote]Gwen held cotton candy at the Eiffel Tower.

Are you sure that wasn't her hair?

by Anonymousreply 24206/05/2021

R241, he alleged he mother sexually abused the child so as to try to cut her off entirely. Gwen had the money to fight in court. The mother had objected to some of the cult practices/people around the young girl and so Gwen and Tarzan went nuclear is my understanding.

Prior to the grifter attaching himself to Gwen and her $$$ he had been doing odd jobs.

I hope the little girl has been returned to her mom and that she can heal and not develop EDs. She was fortunate in that she had her mom's slim build so she does not look like she was starved, but, who knows what impact living with Gwen would have on a young kid? Her own daughter is ana, her son, chubby.

by Anonymousreply 24306/05/2021

This image shows how ill with ANA the daughter is. Cults are no joke.

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by Anonymousreply 24406/05/2021

The daughter is very ill. ANA is one of the deadliest mental illnesses. So sick that Gwen monetized it.

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by Anonymousreply 24506/05/2021

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by Anonymousreply 24606/05/2021

More from nutty pilot guy

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by Anonymousreply 24706/05/2021

Agree with nutso that it is reminiscent of Jim Jones.

by Anonymousreply 24806/05/2021

Probable Cause: Dan Gryder 22.5K subscribers

Joe went from renting a Hawk XP to taking dual instruction in an MU-2 to attempting solo IMC flight with passengers in the jet N66BK

I am sorry if you’re offended but these people were wealthy religious evangelists. She was kicked out of the Church of Christ, hence the name “remnant”

She sold her retail weight control product called “Weigh Down” all across the country.

The only thing missing here is the purple a Kool-Aid but they are all just as dead.

by Anonymousreply 24906/05/2021

5Rounds Rapid 41 minutes ago The “pilot” was apparently a knockoff Joel Osteen, and even had the bad haircut. These are the kind of people Christ ran out of the temple with a whip.

by Anonymousreply 25006/05/2021

Dave Warstler 2 hours ago The first thing my wife (lifelong franklin resident) said when i told her the people on board went to Remnant was, (without missing a beat) "oh that's a cult"

by Anonymousreply 25106/05/2021

Robert Johnson 1 hour ago Dan, not offended at all, and agree with you 100%!!! You summed it up, Jim Jones style cult. They even had the "look" of crooked televangelists. Look at her hair and makeup, look at his facial look, eyebrows. The look of the typical televangelist scammers!

CaliforniaFly 45 minutes ago Remember Jim and Tammy Faye Baker? They scared the hell out of me!

by Anonymousreply 25206/05/2021

If this is true, he must have oversped the plane and it was breaking apart in air. The nutty pilot expert guy had plotted the flight and speeds and it had appeared that it exceeded or came close to the do not exceed speed, others had noted the same. Must have been terrifying last minutes. For all the harm they did on Earth, hope Joe & Gwen suffered.

g6rcteam 1 hour ago Dan they have video of recovering parts from land in the trees.

by Anonymousreply 25306/05/2021

Darryl frost 1 hour ago They should have used some of the money to pay for a professional pilot...

Pulaski Pulaski 1 hour ago Probably couldn't afford it - the plane was just a $200k crate, when a modern executive jet will cost of the order of 100 times more.

Winter Came 34 minutes ago @Pulaski Gwen should have given Joe a bigger allowance. And hired a private pilot so Joe could take the right hand seat. She could well afford both.

Pulaski 28 minutes ago @Winter Came Fair point, but she should also have bought a better plane.

ronald bedford 12 minutes ago @Pulaski ,When you exceed VNE it wouldnt matter what they flew in.The whole "cult" thing that Dan talks about will fall right into the "pilot Personality" category.

by Anonymousreply 25406/05/2021

I didn't watch it, but was Tedd Anger (Ahn-zhay) the white-tie guy?

The ex-members on Free Jinger always describe him as Gwen's enforcer. Tedd was the one they really worried about.

David Martin's persona was more like that of a youth pastor, even though that was Elizabeth and Brandon's department. David seems like he was mainly interested in wearing ostentatious clothes, singing at weddings, and playing good cop to Tedd's bad.

Using my own prophetin' skills, I predict Elizabeth will trust and depend on Tedd too much and then, where'd mah cult go?

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by Anonymousreply 25506/05/2021

Gwen was some piece of work for sure. Her divorce docs are floating around online, she was extremely wealthy. Her cult encouraged child abuse and aggressively defended a couple who murdered their young child. The couple is still involved with the cult from prison.

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by Anonymousreply 25606/05/2021

Some believe there is an upside down cross on the top of the expensive RF building. There were photos of Gwen doing the "diamond" hand gesture, like Jay Z, that flashed up during the service. Wonder what that was about?

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by Anonymousreply 25706/05/2021

Looking forward to the documentary on RF that is set to air in 2022. Hopefully it will help educate people so they are less likely to fall prey to such groups.

The Sun is wrong about the year she married Tarzan, it was very recent.

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by Anonymousreply 25806/05/2021

Michael was cute when he was a bit younger and thinner. Looks a bit like the Echo & The Bunnymen singer, which less poofy hair.

He spoke of this image and the art his mother installed in the sanctuary. WTAF is this?

Looks like a custom chandelier, Restoration Hardware crossed with a crown of thorns but a bit industrial. Gwen was a nutter but she had $$$ for days. Enough to pay off original hubs with millions and hire new boy toy. He had a good allowance and high end toys and all those Bachelorette style vids must have cost a lot too. The vineyards, the multiple properties, the travel, being a cult leader can be the route to a high end life.

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by Anonymousreply 25906/05/2021

Wonder if Michael &/or his wife will challenge his sister for power and $? Why did both women change their names? Michael was cute when younger & thinner.

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by Anonymousreply 26006/05/2021

Odd that neither of her children attended the service in person. Just vids from them. Odd for a parent's memorial and odd if they want to take over. The room was not full, also seems odd.

Rumors that others are angling to take over the grift.

Wonder how current that doc that has been underway will go re: the battle for control?

by Anonymousreply 26106/05/2021

Her children seem to lack her cult leader charisma or ruthlessness, thus not appearing at the service to speak live today. Of course, the daughter also lost her husband.

I think they often showed old vids of Gwen speaking so that should hold the core for a while. Seems like you need the charisma to draw in the new dupes though?

Did Elizabeth work? I saw a bit of her husband's friend/colleague speaking of her taking over the RE biz. She also has 4 young kids who lost a parent. 3 hats would be a lot to wear. Wonder if he had life insurance? Michelle/Elizabeth has such a Handmaid's Tale vibe going on. The brother's wife Erin/Elle seems a bit more outgoing. Lots of $$$ at stake so there is sure to be a behind the scenes battle.

by Anonymousreply 26206/05/2021

Son & daughter do not seem to have the high power grift gene

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by Anonymousreply 26306/05/2021

Is there a limit to how much I can give?

by Anonymousreply 26406/06/2021

^Is there a Limit to how much you Love the Lord???

by Anonymousreply 26506/06/2021

They did highlight the donate button during the service. Are you prepared to give up eating, R264? Wait for "the growl" every 36 hours?

by Anonymousreply 26606/06/2021

I’ve never cared less about 7 people dying in my life! What a wicked witch this cunt was.

by Anonymousreply 26706/06/2021

I would guess that the thing that caused the plane to be overweight and crash was that secret package of M&Ms that her son-in-law had in his pocket.

by Anonymousreply 26806/06/2021

Tedd Anger's 55 pound weight loss, before and after:

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by Anonymousreply 26906/06/2021

Someone keeps mentioning FJ. What the hell is FJ?

by Anonymousreply 27006/06/2021

[quote]Tedd Anger's 55 pound weight loss, before and after:

Remember, per Gwen, his last name is pronounced Awn-jay. And he appears to have wet himself in the after picture.

by Anonymousreply 27106/06/2021

It’s Free Jinger, a site where ex-fundies and never-fundies laugh at fundies.

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by Anonymousreply 27206/06/2021

She was a true Datalounger - NEVER get fat! No matter what, just don’t. There is no excuse to be a porker!

by Anonymousreply 27306/06/2021

She referred to her toddler grandson as a real porker. She also bragged that when her own daughter was tiny she would ask for food and Gwen would deny her.

by Anonymousreply 274Last Monday at 3:41 AM

[quote] She also bragged that when her own daughter was tiny she would ask for food and Gwen would deny her.

I guess karma caught up with Gwen in a big way.

by Anonymousreply 275Last Monday at 8:09 AM

I wanted to send a sympathy arrangement made from candy bars. I was going to sign the card from the gurls at DataLounge.

by Anonymousreply 276Last Monday at 8:24 AM

A parishioner once sent me an Edible Arrangement. I had her excommunicated.

by Anonymousreply 277Last Monday at 10:13 AM

They are rolling out her content as normal on SM. Yikes.

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by Anonymousreply 278Last Tuesday at 12:15 PM

How many pairs of those hideous black platform shoes did she own?

by Anonymousreply 279Last Tuesday at 12:19 PM

^Good Lord! Where did she find those ugly things?!

by Anonymousreply 280Last Tuesday at 12:57 PM

2:20 “When he is flying, he is uber careful. Very uber careful”.

Sadly, there’s no chance of a take two.

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by Anonymousreply 281Last Tuesday at 3:14 PM

^ Just like the hair, the shoes also put her closer to God.

by Anonymousreply 282Last Tuesday at 3:17 PM

They should have called an Uber

by Anonymousreply 283Last Tuesday at 3:23 PM

I haven't read through this thread and haven't heard from any other source, but have they found all the bodies yet?

by Anonymousreply 284Last Tuesday at 3:28 PM

R-284: there were no bodies recovered, only remains.. the word around town— there either a lung or lungs plural that were found floating in the water.

Most popular opinion was that he pulled the plane apart in flight.. but the damage field turned out to be much smaller than they initially believed. Strong possibility that he inverted the plane due to spatial disorientation and then believing that he was climbing & regaining altitude-drove it nose first into the lake.

Not much left to recover as far as bodies go. A big chunk of the plane is still on the bottom of the lake.

by Anonymousreply 285Last Tuesday at 3:45 PM

Oh well, the fish and turtles will eat well for a while.

by Anonymousreply 286Last Tuesday at 3:47 PM

R284, seven bodies that were at least together enough to be identified as male or female at the scene, according to some of the local tv news reports on the day of recovery.

The Rutherford County Fire Department announced that positive identification of all seven bodies had been made by Thursday the 3rd.

From another source:

[quote]Crews looking for debris and human remains from the private jet that crashed into Percy Priest Lake on Saturday have found seven bodies — four male and three female — along with both engines and much of the fuselage.

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by Anonymousreply 287Last Tuesday at 4:18 PM

Yet another reason I hate swimming in large bodies of water. God knows what could float by. Shudder.

by Anonymousreply 288Last Tuesday at 4:51 PM

[quote]Crews Have Recovered Remains In Plane Crash That Killed Remnant Fellowship Leaders

So I guess now we know that they weren't in the cabins.

by Anonymousreply 289Last Tuesday at 5:02 PM

But it doesn't answer the question we all need to know, did they find THE WIG?

by Anonymousreply 290Last Tuesday at 8:13 PM

Thank you R285, 287. I still check this thread because it’s an airflight mystery, perhaps similar to JFK Jr, and utter scammy bizarre cultishness.

How could these assumingely well-educated well-off Remnant followers be so stupid? My sister fell into a uber right-wing Pentecostal cult in the early 70s. She cut off family, got married, and had 2 kids. When she wanted to leave the church 12 years later they just messed her up.

I’m glad Gwen et al are dead and pray her mumbo jumbo “church” goes down. I cannot wait to see the financials.

How our tax code allows this “religious” bs needs to be fixed.

by Anonymousreply 291Last Thursday at 6:44 AM

R291, a docu was underway well before the crash. It is due to hit a "streaming site" in early 2022, perhaps it will shed some light. From posts at FJ it seems that women were drawn in through WDW and they brought in the men. Gwen also targeted young people.

Scientology survived the death of L Ron, I hope the same will not be true for this ana cult.

by Anonymousreply 292Last Thursday at 6:48 AM

I will eagerly await the doc. I’m grateful someone started a doc to expose this cult.

It’s been a year since the Lori Vallow kiddos were found, murdered by the insane Vallow/Daybell religion beliefs and ignored by the lackadaisical Chandler/Gilbert Arizona police force.

Our US tax code encourages this religious bs. It must be changed.

by Anonymousreply 293Last Thursday at 7:28 AM

Where can I send my check to help the poorest of the poor???

by Anonymousreply 294Last Thursday at 7:30 AM

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by Anonymousreply 295Last Thursday at 9:37 PM

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by Anonymousreply 296Last Friday at 12:15 PM

Gwen's cult members struck me more as the Hungriest People in the World.

by Anonymousreply 297Last Friday at 12:23 PM

The Gospel According to Gwen: Fritos may be traced back to biblical times. Why, there's even a recipe.

"Keep in mind that the Israelites, God’s people, ate processed foods. In Leviticus 2, they used the most finely ground flour, fats, and salts to make bread, which is very similar to our present-day Frito."

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by Anonymousreply 298Last Friday at 12:23 PM

Esp the creepy AF daughter

by Anonymousreply 299Last Friday at 12:24 PM

Freetoes, anyone?

by Anonymousreply 300Last Friday at 12:26 PM

Remember to lick, not chew and swallow your Fritos.

by Anonymousreply 301Last Friday at 12:26 PM

Satan wants you to swallow.

by Anonymousreply 302Last Friday at 12:29 PM

This family photo looks as though they could have been dressed up for Hallloween.

It most likely was a random Tuesday.

Creepy AF

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by Anonymousreply 303Last Friday at 12:37 PM

Some concerning allegations about the son and potential heir at R295. Wonder if more will come out in the doc slated for 2022?

by Anonymousreply 304Last Friday at 12:40 PM

Horrific, R303. Six fat hogs.

by Anonymousreply 305Last Friday at 12:43 PM

Her constant pushing of grocery-store food, as she called it, was because her own diet consisted of French fries, chips, bacon/breakfast sausage, and diet soda.

One of her big things was prioritizing the food on your plate and then eating tiny bites of your favorite item (or two) with a drink in between each bite. It was just a way to avoid eating vegetables.

The best was her assertion that if you’re truly eating with god in your heart and not going one bite beyond what it takes to stop The Growl, he rewards you by turning [italic]whatever[/italic] you eat into the perfect balance of nutrients needed by your body.

If your “eating occasions” for the day add up to 3 Doritos, an Oreo, and a piece of bacon, god performs his witchcraft and ensures you’ve had just the right number of calories and met the RDA for every vitamin.

by Anonymousreply 306Last Friday at 1:00 PM

R303, what I see in that photo is someone who hasn't a clue how to use a sewing machine. Those all are homemade dresses of the worst possible construction.

by Anonymousreply 307Last Friday at 1:18 PM

I wonder when we’re going to hear from the NTSB? The preliminary report usually takes around two weeks, so hopefully we’ll get it at the beginning of next week.

The preliminary doesn’t really say much of anything but it will answer some of the questions I have about GPS data, the state of the plane, and Tarzan’s logged hours.

It will also be fun to watch Dan Gryder going nuts and contradicting every single thing the NTSB says, as though he has more accurate information, because that is his raison d'être.

by Anonymousreply 308Last Friday at 1:19 PM

R303, those dresses are like Gunne Sax crossed with gunny sacks.

by Anonymousreply 309Last Friday at 1:48 PM

Magnolia Pearl is one of brands Gwen promoted, which is funny because their clothes look like they’re patched together from Remnants retrieved from a sweatshop dumpster.

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by Anonymousreply 310Last Friday at 2:09 PM

That seals the deal, R310. Gwen was DERANGED.

by Anonymousreply 311Last Friday at 2:13 PM

R310, they basically took a checklist of everything that could turn tacky and combined it into one garment.

by Anonymousreply 312Last Friday at 2:14 PM

$450! That schmatta at R310 is $450!

by Anonymousreply 313Last Friday at 2:15 PM

[quote]what I see in that photo is someone who hasn't a clue how to use a sewing machine. Those all are homemade dresses of the worst possible construction.

I'm worried. 😟

by Anonymousreply 314Last Friday at 3:05 PM
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by Anonymousreply 315Last Friday at 3:14 PM

ANA cult, R315, straight up

by Anonymousreply 316Last Friday at 3:27 PM

She looks like his mother, he looks like a gigalo. So careful when he flies? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. Never get into an emergency situation where your life depends on a dumb person, esp an aging one. He is UBER careful when flying? Dimbo was in over his head with the weather and either broke up the plane or nosedived it into a lake.

Shoulda flown commercial.

Such a protector? Never married his baby mama and initiated an ugly and baseless custody suit using Gwen's cult money.

Such GROSS people. They defend child murderers. And the allegations about her son were swept under the rug while he lead the youth group with his sister. See vid linked above.

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by Anonymousreply 317Last Friday at 3:33 PM
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