Please take my poll
Are you sick of wokeness?
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | May 27, 2021 7:36 PM |
With the exception of a few hundred people on Twitter and the editors of numerous right wing publications for whom reporting on Ridiculous Acts of Wokeness garners tens if not hundreds of thousands of clicks, I think we are ALL sick of it OP
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 27, 2021 4:16 PM |
Completely.
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 27, 2021 4:17 PM |
The thing is, I DON’T want people to be passed over for a job or apartment because they’re a certain color or religion or whatever. I want things to be FAIR for everyone.
But certain people are taking it way too far, and it’s an annoying overcorrection.
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 27, 2021 4:39 PM |
Wokeness: a combination of a Maoist re-education camp and an elementary school playground.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 27, 2021 4:41 PM |
Beware of trolls bearing polls. The resulting information will be used against us.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 27, 2021 4:45 PM |
I hate being made to think a certain way and having to be open to everything. Im an open person to an extent but I mean we have a brain to be discerning. Nowadays there’s no room to be discerning. You have to like everything and give everything a try. There’s no room for strong convictions or personality.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 27, 2021 4:46 PM |
I think examining racial attitudes in the US was inevitable. Systematic racism is a problem in America that we have let fester for too long. When rich white women jumped on the train with their church-lady-minus-the-church shit is when the movement jumped the shark.
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 27, 2021 4:50 PM |
R7 America do not have Systematic Racism Problem, America has Corporate Welfare Problem masquerading as racism problem. Corporate stokes fire about racism on their media empires, so that people will vote for the party that will Max their Corporate Welfare and Minimize Responsibility.
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 27, 2021 4:55 PM |
Millennials are using it to eliminate competition. It's sickening. I don't have to think like you.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 27, 2021 4:57 PM |
[quote] I want things to be FAIR for everyone.
[quote] But certain people are taking it way too far, and it’s an annoying overcorrection.
If people don't "take things too far," social change doesn't happen.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 27, 2021 4:58 PM |
[quote]Are you sick of wokeness?
Thoroughly.
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | May 27, 2021 4:58 PM |
First: "wokeness" is not a thing. It's only a term that reactionary folks use as a rhetorical weapon against other folks whose ideas and opinions upset them.
Second: some of the underlying principles at play here ask people not to use "gay" as a negative epithet ("oh that's so gay"), nor have the use of "faggot" be ok in the Public Sphere.
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | May 27, 2021 5:01 PM |
[quote]America do not have Systematic Racism Problem
Should I say something?
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 27, 2021 5:04 PM |
My parents taught me to treat everyone with kindness, there is no such thing as free lunch/don’t expect others to give you anything, life isn’t fair, and opinions are like assholes: everybody has one.
I wish more Americans would have been taught the same.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | May 27, 2021 5:06 PM |
I like to think that most people want a fair world for everyone and, since that's not a reality at the moment, I see nothing wrong with fighting for the rights of marginalized people. I draw the line at the bored hetero college girls who make it their life's mission to try and prove to the world that they're the wokest of the woke by overcorrecting every perceived slight or injustice. I've even seen some of them trying to explain to a person of color or an LGBT person that they're wrong and have been so brainwashed by the white world that they don't even know how to fight for their best interests. This isn't helping us. They'll masquerade as "queer" because they kissed a girl once or used to dress up for Rocky Horror screenings. It's people like this that make it harder for people to take the real issues seriously.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 27, 2021 5:06 PM |
[quote]Second: some of the underlying principles at play here ask people not to use "gay" as a negative epithet ("oh that's so gay"), nor have the use of "faggot" be ok in the Public Sphere.
Have you seen the wokesphere? Gay men, white gay men, are enemy #1.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 27, 2021 5:07 PM |
Utter phish R16
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 27, 2021 5:29 PM |
R16 That's patently not true. But keep finding enemies, they are there if you want them.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 27, 2021 5:30 PM |
Phish was my woke phone autocorrect telling me that I did not mean pish, but I certainly did.
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | May 27, 2021 5:31 PM |
It is true.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | May 27, 2021 5:32 PM |
Woke just means to be aware.
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | May 27, 2021 5:34 PM |
[quote]Utter phish [R16]
Oh, you’re right. I forgot. Jews are enemy #1. White gay men #2.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | May 27, 2021 5:36 PM |
Something similar happened in the 90s. It just ebbs and flows. Give it a few more years. It'll probably die down: it's a cycle.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | May 27, 2021 5:45 PM |
I am sick of people being sick of wokeness as much or more than I am sick of wokeness.
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | May 27, 2021 5:55 PM |
Not really R23, we stopped thinking it was funny to have a TV series with a black and white person living next door to each other calling the black guy sambo and thinking that was fine followed by dancing black face minstrels as you're dad laughed at the "nig-nogs" on TV. Still, political correctness at least in the UK was a mere papering over the cracks, the ethnic self importance was still always there, just beated down enough to explode in the vote for Brexit.
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | May 27, 2021 5:56 PM |
Yes. But also sick of anything and everything being dismissed as "wokeness."
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | May 27, 2021 5:59 PM |
[Are you sick of wokeness?]
Am I sick of the proletariat rising up and becoming cognizant of how the bourgeoisie is exploiting us? Nope 😘
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | May 27, 2021 5:59 PM |
[quote] First: "wokeness" is not a thing. It's only a term that reactionary folks use as a rhetorical weapon against other folks whose ideas and opinions upset them.
The fact that you are trying to control other people's language in political debate is a hallmark of wokeness.
According to this poll, more than half of datalounge--which in fact swings left usually--thinks wokeness is indeed a thing contradicts your claim.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | May 27, 2021 5:59 PM |
Anyone who opposes wokeness is a racist transphobic TERF which makes you a Republican and a Russian troll.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | May 27, 2021 6:00 PM |
I'm for equal opportunity, but not equal outcomes.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | May 27, 2021 6:01 PM |
[quote]I hate being made to think a certain way
Literally no one forces you to think a certain way. You're your own man with your own thoughts.
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | May 27, 2021 6:05 PM |
The head of the National Trust in England just resigned after pushing historic houses to confront their role in slavery or identify and condemn their former owners who oppressed anyone. There was a revolt from the rank and file that forced him out.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | May 27, 2021 6:05 PM |
Yes indeed, orchestrated by the blue rinse brigade of the chattering classes that still say Keen-Ya who wish to take tea (refuse to believe that their tea comes from anywhere other than Ceylon) in the grounds without having to set their eyes on brown people unless they are staff.
I'm paraphrasing slightly.
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | May 27, 2021 6:17 PM |
To even acknowledge the existence of opposition to the left makes you a right-winger, OP.
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | May 27, 2021 6:19 PM |
The woke crowd is a bunch of unhappy sociology majors from Wesleyan with no romance and fun in their lives. They want the rest of us to suffer. The more beloved a thing is, the more the woke mob wants to cancel it. The Democrats never seem to learn go woke go broke. CRT and wokeness is ensuring a Republican victory in 2022 and 2024.
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | May 27, 2021 6:23 PM |
[quote] First: "wokeness" is not a thing. It's only a term that reactionary folks use as a rhetorical weapon against other folks whose ideas and opinions upset them.
Its a African American slang term that used to kind of mean self aware. Popular culture has bastardized it. Its now used to describe anything. However, it’s probably mostly used currently as a label for what some view as far left liberal extremes and as a catch all term for whatever right wing bigots don’t like.
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | May 27, 2021 6:26 PM |
People no longer have to provide a list of their prejudices. They can just label it all wink wink “wokeness.”
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | May 27, 2021 6:29 PM |
The brushes get broader and broader.
A boss pressuring an employee to fuck him if she wants a promotion.
Evangelical Christians not letting trans kids use the restroom that matches their gender-identification.
Al Franken forced to resign the Senate because of a joke photo.
You don't have to have the same position on all these. "Woke" criticism (which IS rhetorically weaponizing language in exactly the way that they are pretending to object to) wants to make one single enemy. That if you are concerned about one of those you must also be stupidly concerned about all. Our world is tribal... no nuance, no critical thinking.
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | May 27, 2021 6:30 PM |
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| by Anonymous | reply 39 | May 27, 2021 6:30 PM |
Everybody please F&F Boris the Nazi Incel OP.
It's time for him to get a job.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | May 27, 2021 6:32 PM |
I do find the all the Boris-types who go on and on about wokeness on here amusing. If it wasn't for earlier versions of 'wokeness', none of us would have the rights we have today. Guess what, the right wing hates us too morons.
| by Anonymous | reply 41 | May 27, 2021 6:32 PM |
Woke in its original and intended form is fine. Corporate 'wokeness' is bandwagon jumpery, and I've heard some leftists agree that it ultimately doesn't work. In a recent thread about Wokeness, someone justified it by stating "they do this so they don't get boycotted!" - that's [italic]exactly[/italic] the reason why it's fake as fuck! Corporations only care about the bottom line, and this is just another manifestation of that. I've also heard black people say that they are NOT on board with white folks using that word for themselves when they don't know its origins.
It's also a pain watching anything anyone doesn't like being described as 'woke'. Republicans and right-wingers are doing this en masse at the moment, and it only shows that they're trying to discredit things they don't agree with by attaching this label on it.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | May 27, 2021 6:33 PM |
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| by Anonymous | reply 43 | May 27, 2021 6:33 PM |
Whenever slang terms are mainstream and being used by even the elderly. You know their obsolete.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | May 27, 2021 6:36 PM |
Only somebody as sick and warped as Boris would believe corporations can increase their bottom line without gays, trans and people of color.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | May 27, 2021 6:36 PM |
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| by Anonymous | reply 46 | May 27, 2021 6:37 PM |
R42 I mostly agree. However, boycotts have historically been an important and effective tactic to move the needle toward progressive goals.
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | May 27, 2021 6:37 PM |
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| by Anonymous | reply 48 | May 27, 2021 6:38 PM |
[quote] do find the all the Boris-types who go on and on about wokeness on here amusing. If it wasn't for earlier versions of 'wokeness', none of us would have the rights we have today. Guess what, the right wing hates us too morons.
Dataloungers support equal rights for gay white males so that is not “wokeness.” Remember “wokeness” currently means the things that you don’t support. For Dataloungers that’s equality for anyone who is not a white make.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | May 27, 2021 6:44 PM |
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| by Anonymous | reply 51 | May 27, 2021 6:44 PM |
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| by Anonymous | reply 52 | May 27, 2021 6:45 PM |
[quote]Dataloungers support equal rights for gay white males so that is not “wokeness.”
Not to divert from the subject of this thread, but I'm just not so sure about that, unless you remove "gay" from the sentence. Seen far too much proof that this place is full of same-sex attracted men who don't like homosexuals or homosexuality.
Take the subject of this recent thread, for instance, who is a young white male. Lots of replies from DLers who probably aren't all that interested in him, or the multitude of guys who are like him, receiving anything resembling equal rights:
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | May 27, 2021 6:48 PM |
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| by Anonymous | reply 54 | May 27, 2021 6:51 PM |
[quote] Literally no one forces you to think a certain way. You're your own man with your own thoughts.
Not true. You’ll pay with your job. The minute you “don’t read the room” there’s trouble. What, you won’t put your pronouns in your work emails? Then you’re transphobic. There’s the door.
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | May 27, 2021 6:53 PM |
[quote] Not to divert from the subject of this thread, but I'm just not so sure about that, unless you remove "gay" from the sentence. Seen far too much proof that this place is full of same-sex attracted men who don't like homosexuals or homosexuality.
Let me make a correction. Dataloungers support equal rights for themselves. Remember “wokeness” currently means the things that you don’t support. For Dataloungers that’s equality for anyone who is not a white male.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | May 27, 2021 7:13 PM |
And don't forget to take our follow-up poll on the epidemic of radical, leftist wokeness:
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | May 27, 2021 7:15 PM |
r55 cannot name one person that happened to.
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | May 27, 2021 7:17 PM |
[quote] Not true. You’ll pay with your job. The minute you “don’t read the room” there’s trouble. What, you won’t put your pronouns in your work emails? Then you’re transphobic. There’s the door.
Yep all of those power hungry black trans managers (who were hired over the white males, who were the only even remotely qualified) are firing everyone for not reading the room and using the correct pronouns. They’ve also obviously gutted all existing employment guidelines. This is really a thing that is happening. Watch Tucker tonight for more!
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | May 27, 2021 7:19 PM |
R55 an employer requiring pronouns in email signatures isn't forcing you to like trans people or nonbinaries or whoever it is you hate.
Racist employees have to be nice to races they hate all the time, and they do it, but they still hate those people because of their race. A Walmart employee who hates Pacific Islanders will still check them out at the register without incident, but they will not change their minds about them, and they'll then go home and complain in threads about how wokeness is ruining their lives, and they'll pretend like they're going to be blacklisted from every job available to them for not being woke enough, just like you're doing right now.
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | May 27, 2021 7:29 PM |
Fair enough, R56. But let's not delude ourselves that the "I got mine, fuck the rest of you" mentality is limited to aged 'anti-woke' Dataloungers. It's ingrained in the fabric of mainstream Americana.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | May 27, 2021 7:36 PM |