What if the Unorthodox Arizona Audit Declares Trump Won?

It won't. This is not the first recount. Biden won.

R1 Did you read the article and about the insane games they are playing in Arizona?

Of course Biden won and even if this shady bogus “audit” indicates otherwise, Biden will remain POTUS. However, these scumbags are focused on not just casting doubt but cementing it. What is happening in Arizona is not legal, and if they get away with doing this and being able to claim that Biden lost the state, they will continue on down the line of states in which he also won.

To add insult to injury, they will continue blocking or deflecting from an investigation into the Jan. 6 domestic terrorist attack on our Capitol, democracy, and government.

Journalist Jeremy Stahl has done a brilliant job here of highlighting just how grossly nefarious this “audit” is.

I watched the GOP’s Arizona election audit. It was worse than you think.

Have a heart. Suppose you got all the answers before the exam and you cheated, and then, and then, you get an F, how would YOU feel?

R4 lol.

If those freaks try to pull something like that I predict lots of arrests to follow once the FBI uncovers the lies and tricks they pulled to make it look like the fat fool won.

I think it would probably tear the AZ GOP in two, which is maybe not a bad thing.

Looters

Terrorists.

He probably did win in Arizona, possibly even Penn. But even with both it still isn't enough to win the election. Georgia was his waterloo.

[quote]He probably did win in Arizona

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The company auditing will declare Trump the winner. Apparently, other state's Republicans are planning to hire this very company to do their states' re-audits too.

This is the new "Obama is from Kenya." The GOP always tries to delegitimize the Dem Presidents.

R10 No "probably" to it. Your Trump lost in Pennsylvani, Arizona, and Georgia. The Sénatrice calling-up the GA Secretary of State pleading for12,000 more votes for Trump is not a legal and ethical process.

4 point plan to destroy democracy:1. Make it harder to vote,2. put Republicans in charge of counting , 3. Get a corrupt Secy of State to certify results and 4, have Republican judges overturn anything that makes it through the first 3 barriers.

The time to be fighting in the streets is now. The other side is preparing for it. I'm old so I don't give a shit but you kids should be very afraid.

Are the “cyber ninjas” also going back to make sure Trump really won in all thr states he narrowly carried in 2016 (and 2020)?

If not ...

Why not?

Trump could use a "win" in Arizona to have his Rumpsters try to stage another coup to take back power. That's part of why these stunts are so dangerous. He has plenty of allies in the military and the police. If they think he was cheated, even in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary, they will go along with his attempts to take back power forcefully, ala Myanmar.

I can’t believe they allowed them to take the voting machines which they probably tampered with. They also requested the officials passwords into the system. The stupid judge should never have given them approval to recount votes.

r16, were you the MARY!!!!! who kept posting "OMG IT'S ALL OVER!" on the Jan. 6 threads?

This is all about 2024, for Republican-legislature states in play to undermine the election by fiat.

And the Cold Civil War that has been ongoing since the 1840s, caused by the rottenness of constitutional slavery, will get hot again.

So how many times has Arizona and Pennsylvania been recounted, reviewed, and audited the vote before this latest "audit?"

But R10, like all these nuts, have to keep imagining a bigger and bigger conspiracy to explain how an unpopular president who was behind in all the polls, managed to lose.

Audit is only bogus if your guy loses??? So if the audit says it's fine, I guess r1 and r2 need to say Trump won, because they said the audit isn't right?

You all are so full of shit.

This audit isn’t over until scrotum wins! 🤡

The election has already been certified nationwide. A red herring with troglodytes accomplishes nothing.

R10 What gives you the impression Trump “probably” won in Arizona and Pennsylvania?

His followers are violently delusional and unhinged, as evidenced by their terrorism during the BLM protests and, of course, at the Capitol on January 6. This what they really trying to deny and deflect from.

They also believe he “probably” won in Georgia, the results for which they are planning to “audit,” even though they have already been counted three fucking times.

This is insane, as are they.

^You couldn't be more wrong, r23, Exhibit A:

Trump destroyed objective reality allowing them to lie with complete impunity no matter how egregious. Break All 10 commandments plus paying a teen to take MDMA and fuck you. No Penalty!

Say1/6 were "tourists" while ignoring the picture of you barricading a door, no penalty.

Go to Cancun with your boyfriend and leave your state AND DOG at home, call other people pansies, no penalty.

They have successfully changed reality, just like GOD wants them to do. When you're in a battle with Satan aka Democrats you do whatever it takes to win, GOD will forgive them because he knows they are on his side. It's sad that Democrats don't see this truth, that's why they have to die. It's in the bible.

It doesn't matter who they 'run'. Trump will be dead, disabled or in prison by then. And the other hopefuls are nearly as repulsive.

In four years, 14-yr. olds will be able to vote. And they aren't going to warm to a Ted Cruz, Matt Gaetz or Madison Cawthorn.

^No, they'll want Claudia Conway, Nestor and that fat, white kid that murdered the protesters.

Exhibit B:

R10 is trolling r24, it really doesn't matter if he believes it or not.

Thanks for sharing, R28. I am still in the process of reading the article, but this immediately stood out:

[quote] As for the Democrats, their 2020 autopsy doesn't go into what messaging should be used going forward but so far it appears that the party is planning to run with a "Morning in America" campaign, betting on the improved economy and the end of the pandemic to allow them to beat the usual predicted mid-term losses. If President Biden can stay fairly popular and the Republicans keep cannibalizing themselves it might work. But if that's all they have in the hopper, I think they are ignoring their own data. There are tens of millions of hardcore Trump worshipers out there. And according to this latest survey by the Democratic polling outfit Democracy Corps, they are ready to rumble.

This is precisely why Democrats need to stay focused on spearheading, along with willing Republicans, and not giving up on an investigation into the January 6 domestic terrorist attack. As for those Republicans who are calling for investigations into the BLM protests, since it has already been reported by several journalists and even Trump’s very own acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf that white supremacists infiltrated and played a pivotal role in the violent outbreaks during those protests, I say investigate those as well.

They are clearly still trying to delegitimize Biden’s victory while deflecting from the unprecedented domestic terrorist attack on our government by Republican terrorists and white supremacists who were aided, encouraged, and emboldened by Trump and those closest to him to commit violence and interfere in our democratic process.

We cannot lose sight of this. We have to continue reminding American citizens - and the world - of the January 6 terrorist attack and of who and what incited it. This is the only way some people, especially government officials, will begin to realize what they are supporting when they express loyalty to Trump.

The ballots are now spoiled - it's impossible to determine if they've been messed with, so no clear objective results can be declared.

I mean, you give me the ballots for an entire election, I go into a sealed room and come back six months later declaring Kathy Griffin the lawful president of the US, no you can't look at the results but trust me she won, would you have any reason to believe me?

[quote]He probably did win in Arizona, possibly even Penn.

No, he DIDN'T. Multiple recounts in both states confirmed that.

It's too late for their bullshit now OP. Biden is the President.

When the Audit comes back as a Trump win, GOP states will use that as the justification to pass more restrictive voting laws.

The only way the GOP can win is to suppress the vote.

This means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Congress declared Biden the president. He won the electoral college.

R35 It means a helluva fucking lot. It means they can continue to delegitimize Biden’s victory and presidency, even if only to their supporters, which matters because, if we made a collective effort to make the facts of the past election undeniable, some of them might be willing to jump off the Dump ship, as some already have. We cannot afford to flippantly and dismissively deem every Republican “a lost cause.”

Additionally and perhaps more importantly, this allows the most corrupt and debased of Republicans to continue to deny and deflect from the terrorist attack against our Capitol. And, believe me, that is definitely a central motivation of continuing this bogus audit charade, and it should not be tolerated nor ignored.

unforch I agree with R36

these people do not believe in democracy and where they might lead us is scary, indeed

People who don't take this seriously infuriate me. Sure it's crazy and hilarious that these idiots are looking for bamboo fibers and watermarks on ballots, but what they're doing is extremely sinister and it's supported by some very powerful, very wealthy people. This is not a game. This is the dismantling of democracy right before our very eyes. Never mind 2024, what happens in 2022 when Georgia simply refuses to certify a Senator Warnock win? Or in Texas in 2022 when there's one polling location for 5 million people with no options for early voting and very strict mail in voting laws? This isn't some hypothetical. This is the reality of the laws that have already been passed and there's plenty more that are coming. I'm not sure what the answers are but this is an unprecedented crisis for American democracy. One of the major parties, along with the vast majority of their voters, have simply said that democrats should not be allowed to vote nor should they be allowed to win elections and they will do everything in their power (and they have a lot of power) to ensure that democrats never win another election again.

Because the AZ machines were left unsecure they are no longer usable. Who will be making purchasing decisions for the new machines? Will they buy the one's patented by Ivanka in China, and then have them programmed by Cambridge Analytica or Kaspersky?

This is a feature not a bug in the recount. They wanted this to happen so they will only have to buy new machines for Phoenix/Phillie/ Detroit/ Milwaukee where the urban voters are.

Every. Fucking. Thing. You. Wrote, R38. These terroristic insurrectionists have a few short-term and long-term goals in mind with this circus act, which can result in both obvious and unforeseeable pernicious effects on our government and democracy.

This is on Senator Manchin and that witch Kyrsten Sinema. They could blow up the filibuster today and pass HR1 tomorrow but the refuse to do it. They are as responsible for what lies ahead as the GOP is

R41 Those covert Republicans? They need to be replaced.

R42 unfortunately they're the best we can do. If Manchin even decides to run again in 2024 he will lose to a Republican and Sinema has to be "moderate" to appeal to suburban Arizonans.

The 1/6 commission failing in the senate might be the best thing that can happen for democrats because it will blow a HUGE hole in Manchin and Sinema's argument that the filibuster promotes bi-partisanship.

Faux concern could be a source of so much heartbreak. Even more so than psoriasis.

We are in the middle of a slow coup

R45 It never ends.

[quote]Sinema has to be "moderate" to appeal to suburban Arizonans

This is actually not true; Kelly is to her left, including on the filibuster, and his ratings are far higher than hers. It's kind of a puzzle why she's lurched to the right over the years.

[quote] Sinema has to be "moderate" to appeal to suburban Arizonans.

No, she doesn't. She just has to be effective.

Her vehemence against eliminating the filibuster makes me think she's either a Republican mole or is being blackmailed.

It’s time to leave the US, if you’re able. A fascist autocracy is inevitable at this point. There simply aren’t enough good people in this country to counter what the Nazis are doing right under our very noses.

[quote] He probably did win in Arizona

And your mother probably should have drown you in the bathtub, but she didn’t.

R47 it’s not much of a puzzle. She’s said it herself. Her rightward shift is because her big money donors wanted her to shift right. She was bragging to them about killing the $15 minimum wage on camera. She said she was their “personal concierge” to congress. She’s a political turncoat and opportunist.

In regards to the filibuster she has so far taken a harder line against getting rid of it than even Manchin has. He’s said he supports reforming it and she hasn’t. The two seem to be playing a game of chicken to see who cracks first. I know everyone shits on Manchin but at the end of the day he is always loyal to the Democratic Party. He can be convinced. Senator Sinema is the one I don’t trust. Her going directly to McConnell promising him not to touch the filibuster was sketchy. I hope Schumer is keeping a close eye on her.

r45 And those of us who are screaming about it are called hysterical Marys, and the Democratic Congressional leadership are burying their ancient heads up their ancient asses and leaving us to fend for ourselves.

These motherfuckers make me feel like Howard Beale.

Don't 53% of Republicans already believe Trump won? Trump claims he won by a landslide. I don't think it will matter much, sure it will stir them up a little more but Trump didn't lose because of the Arizona electoral votes, he lost by more than that. So the Trump cultist will move on to another state and try and claim the same again. The Electoral College elected Biden there is no mechanism for reversing that even if it was fraudulent, WHICH IT WASN'T.

r36 Nothing you will tell them will convince them Trump did not win. Nevermind Dominion is winning lawsuits left and right and getting apoligzes from Faux News and Loooose Max.

Cyber Ninjas announced today they are abandoning their audit and a new company was taking over. Also today, the Arizona Legislature voted to strip (Dem) SOS Katie Hobbs of some of her duties for the next election.

No one wants to protest where the fraudit is taking place because of the violent Trumpers *still* demonstrating outside.

R55, wtih corrupt judges no doubt.

R56 Why the sudden change?

r58 Only speculation - Cyber Ninjas realized they were putting themselves in legal jeopardy. I have to hope that the DOJ is going to intervene in these fraudits heading to MI, NH and other states.

God, why can’t these morons just take the loss and move on? I remember the Al Gore thing and Dems were angry for about a day and then back to work as usual. These Trumpists are insane.

R59 Thanks! Also “fraudits” is the [italic]perfect[/italic] name for these things.

[quote] I remember the Al Gore thing and Dems were angry for about a day and then back to work as usual.

The living, human scum who make up the MAGA rally base have no work to go back to.

You know what else legally counts as voter fraud? Fake audits.

Who is the new company? Wells Fargo auditing specialists?

They will declare Trump one in several states he didn't before the end of summer.

GOP is overwhelming the nation with deplorable behavior. Nobody can keep up.

*declare Trump WON

Incredible.

[quote]why can’t these morons just take the loss and move on?

The Republican party has been moving towards authoritarianism for decades. Nixon wanted an imperial presidency in which "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal." Coming out of twelve years of Reagan-Bush they hardened into a conviction that the presidency belonged to them: I remember Bob Dole (then minority leader) on tv greeting the news of Clinton's win by saying "we're not going to let him get away with anything, we're going to work against him" or the like—a proto-McConnell stance. They left reconciliation and compromise behind a long time ago (along with a sense of reality).

The next state they try this crap, the Ds should burn the place to the ground.

Why not just arrest these unauthorized "vote counters" and their employers directly and charge them with voter fraud.

R69 Seriously.

Either America destroys the GQP, or the GQP will destroy America.

The credibility of the GQP's Senate's outfit conducting the audit will be zero. Biased, with a predetermined outcome and agenda, an inexperienced and unprofessional characters running the show, and the ballots extracted from the security of the county; makes the whole initiative look absurd.

^in Arizona

They fired the Democrat and installed a Republican

Arizona Republicans passed a measure on Tuesday to strip Democrat Katie Hobbs, the current secretary of state, of her ability to defend election lawsuits, a seemingly partisan retaliation for her sharp criticism of the party's controversial election audit.

The bill, which passed both the state's House and Senate Appropriations committees, puts the attorney general, Republican Mark Brnovich, in charge of defending all lawsuits through January 2, 2023, which is around the end of his and Hobbs’ current terms.

“The legislature intends that the attorney general make all strategic decisions regarding election litigation and be allowed to intervene on behalf of this state if the attorney general determines, in the attorney general's sole discretion, that the intervention is appropriate,” according to the bill.

The bill also states that the attorney general cannot represent or provide legal advice to the Secretary of State, which is generally the chief elections administrator, or the Department of State on any matters through June 30, 2023. But it allows the secretary to hire one full-time “equivalent position” to serve as legal advisor to represent them, but blocks the secretary from “spending or incurring indebtedness to employ outside or private attorneys to provide representation or services.”

This measure, which has to pass the full legislature, comes as Senate Republicans are leading a 2020 election audit of the state’s largest county. They have hired several firms to conduct the audit, which is led by Cyber Ninjas, a Florida-based firm that has no experience auditing elections and is run by a supporter of former President Donald Trump who has promoted baseless election conspiracies.

The audit is widely viewed as a partisan effort after Trump and his supporters spent months questioning the accuracy of President Joe Biden's narrow win in the state. State and federal experts and law enforcement officials have questioned the legality and prudence of the auditors and their efforts. The Justice Department and election experts have also warned that some of their proposed processes could violate federal law, while auditors' searches for things like bamboo and secret watermarks have drawn scorn and mockery.

"The fact that the legislature has singled me and my office for these unjustifiable restrictions — restrictions which expire at the end of my term — make it clear what this is really about: partisan politics,” Hobbs said in a statement. “The most extreme members of our legislature think they can stop me from doing my job and working on behalf of Arizona voters. I'll keep proving them wrong.”

She also said in a follow-up statement that Brnovich, has "engaged in a pattern of behavior" that violates his ethical duties.

"He frequently sought to substitute his judgement for my own and allowed his political preferences to interfere with this obligation to represent me as a client, in my pursuit of the best interests of Arizona voters," she said, revealing that she had filed a complaint about Brnovich confidentially with the State Bar of Arizona last October.

"Unfortunately, it appears AG Brnovich isn't asking forgiveness for his behavior — he's asking our legislature to authorize it," she wrote, adding that "despite partisan attacks and political power grabs, I'll continue to get the job done on behalf of all Arizona voters."

And the slow-motion fascist coup continues.

This is getting scary.

The Dems need to fight even harder.

Dear Jesus: Please send us another plague. Please aim for the "red" ones. TIA. 🙏

Imagine spending an eternity in Hell for the likes of donald trump. Break the spell and repent before it's too late, "good" evangelical white Christians; eternity is a long, long time.

All the menz Republican officials needed was to receive a phone call from Miss Lindzey to tell them how many votes to create and add for Trump.