Why do famous women who come out inevitably shift to gender neutral pronouns?

I refuse to use "they" pronoun when describing only one person

It's a fad, OP. The more of them start coming out as "non-binary" or "they" the less special it will be, so let them all be non-binary theys, that's exactly what's going to kill off this ridiculous fad.

Because they are all sociopathic attention whores.

Instead of dealing with the hassles of being female, they effortlessly self identify out of being one.

R43 You should invest those two cents. They are so valid that you could end up making a hefty profit!

OP, girls are coming into womanhood in a 24/7/365 rape/porn culture. It's no mystery that they are not happy about being treated like slabs of meat. But thinking that you can individually identify out of oppression is not only naive but cruel (are not all the other women worthy of full humanity, too?). The only real answer is to stay and fight collectively, as many gay men know all too well.

It’s trendy, faddish bullshit. Part of the larger trend in 21st century culture where the easiest shortcut to acclaim, esteem, and notoriety is to claim the mantle of victimhood for oneself.

[quote]Demi Lovato, Halsey, etc. Why are women in their 20s refusing to embrace the lesbian, bisexual, or gay label?

Halsey identifies as bisexual, and I wasn't aware that she ever claimed to be anything other than female.

I'm not sure what Demy Lovatx is supposed to be this week.

Inevitably?

Jodie Foster?

Martina Navratilova?

Ellen DeGeneris?

Rosie O’Donnell?

Raven Simone?

Sarah Gilbert?

Portion Del Rossi?

Amanda Bearse?

Kate McKinnon?

Lily Tomlin

Kristy McNichol?

Jane Lynch?

Kelly McGillis?

Sandra Bernhardt?

They “inevitably” use gender neutral pronouns?

We change our pronouns like we change our unisex, environmentally sustainable, fair trade underwear!

Sue Perkins?

Sara Paulson?

Wanda Sykes?

Alex Hedison?

Sophie Ward?

Linda Hunt?

Geri Jewell?

Miriam Margolyes?

Cherry Jones?

Heather Matarazzo?

Kristen Stewart?

Melissa Etheridge?

Samira Wiley?

They’ve inevitably switched to gender neutral pronouns?

Why does this INEVITABLY happen to everyone?!

(Names 2 people)

Not only is OP wrong about famous lesbians "inevitably" switching their pronouns, because the vast majority don't, he's wrong about Halsey, who said she's not non binary or gender neutral at all.

[quote]Why does this INEVITABLY happen to everyone?!

[quote](Names 2 people)

One of whom he's wrong about!

Guess it's just one of those bullshit threads meant to provide a bitching place for the trolls.

Reason number 343,753 for why millennials are the most insufferable generation in human history.

Demi is bored because she can’t find another frozen yogurt shop to Twitter-rage against, but give her time she’ll find another food establishment that triggers her.

kd Lang is now listing her pronouns on Twitter as She/They. Oh honey....why?

The gender neutral/non-binary stuff is absurd. They think they're escaping the "rules" of gender and refusing to be put in a box by limiting themselves to be one thing or the other. But I think they're doing the exact opposite. I feel they're saying there's only one proper way to be a man or a woman. If you don't fit the mold then you aren't a woman or a man, but non-binary. I don't agree with that.

Why does no-one go with She/His, or He/Hers? Singular, and encompasses both end of the "spectrum."

Because everybody else is doing it.

It's definitely a fad, but I can understand why younger people get exhausted with trying to live up to unreal expectations of the perfect beauty/fuck object and just decide to go neuter.

[quote]Because everybody else is doing it.

Exactly. They feel like they're being "different", by following a trend and doing what everybody else is doing.

As to Demi Lovato, is they or is they not engaged to a cis man? I'm sooo confused.

OP, you're generation is far more likely to be in the closet. Studies show young people are more likely to identify as gay or bi. Your generation thought homosexuality was a mental illness

Maybe they want to remain attractive (as a possible sexual conquest) to hetero men. So, they don't want to say: "I'm a lesbian."

Also, like anything else, the "elders" blazed a trail and now the younger people can branch off of that trail.

Because it's all a hetero-flexible way for straight people to shoehorn in on being "queer".

This will all pass like the ridiculous fad that it is.

It's a fad that costs nothing to participate in and easy to back out of once it's over. It's not like getting a tattoo or a marriage.

No one is going to cater to They, outside their hothouse flower alternative reality.

The people you name are from older generations, R9.

In Woke circles, it's unfashionable to be a woman! Or at least a white woman. Anyone who goes around being a white woman in those circles gets dismissed as "privileged", and changing the pronouns and nothing else gives them trans cred, a place in the Victim Olypmics, and the right to be taken seriously.

Of course anyone who's been living in the woke bubble is going to find mainstream reality a nasty shock. Sexists and bigots don't care about pronouns, they'll despise anyone with the wrong accent, skin color, or genitalia regardless of what they identify as.

[quote]As to Demi Lovato, is they or is they not engaged to a cis man? I'm sooo confused.

They was engaged to a cis man, but they called off they's engagement after they decided they is queer.

[quote]In Woke circles, it's unfashionable to be a woman! Or at least a white woman.

I have an insufferable yet reasonably harmless friend who teaches and writes who is suddenly ALL "Enby" for the added wokeness! He feels awful that he is even white, and refers to himself as "melanin-challenged". I think he's missed the point of all this.

I really can't. I cannot.

R23, your generation is pushing homosexuals back into the closet, attempting to stigmatise and cancel those of us who love our own sex.

They they they they they…. 🙄

If you are not a trans woman of color sex worker you are officially a bad person and PART OF THE PROBLEM!

Attention.

Gender neutral bitches are a fucking scourge for straight guys like me. I'm tough and don't need those pussy shit. Got it?

R1, think about what you've said and try and work out if it makes sense or not (clue - it doesn't).

They/them can and is used to describe a singular ALL THE TIME in the English language, and the only time anyone seems to have a problem with it is when it's used to describe a NB person.

Here's some examples that you have probably used or will use in future, just so you understand that what you've said is nonsense:

"I heard R1 is dating someone new, have you met them yet?" --- "Did you see what they looked like?" --- "There was a really great candidate in the interview today, I think we're going to hire them." --- "From the day they were born they have always been a nightmare."

Do you get the point yet? Gender neutral pronouns are used to describe singular all the time and claiming that they aren't and that you will not use them just makes you look like a fool.

r36 Nah, its business as usual, as these types of women invariably fuck and marry men - which actually only makes them more insufferable as being in a 'cis-het presenting relationship' does NOT diminish their queernes, folx!!!!!

Has Max Ehrich commented yet?

Actually r37, in all the examples you give I - and most people - would use he/she, depending on the gender of the person being referred to. The "they/them" you are talking about is usually when a person is unknown or no specific individual is being referred to and that abstract person could be either male or female.

This bullshit "they/them" for a specific known, named individual is nonsense. We do not use "they/them" all the time in the English language to refer one specific known individual who is sitting in front of us. Some people are trying to force that through, however. Those people are also trying, whether wittingly or unwittingly, to push a certain nefarious gender ideology upon us, that at its root is misogynistic and homophobic.

Demi Lovato is a great example of how the people who claim to be "non-binary" and demand to be referred to as "they/them" are in fact a fucked-up, attention-seeking mess. Do you really believe that Demi Lovato is genuinely "non-binary", whatever that is, and that this "coming out" as an enby isn't a sign of her general, and very deep and severe, mental health problems?

R38, in Demi's case I suspect she's actually bisexual at the very least if not a complete lesbian but has such internalised homophobia she can't simply accept it. She's basically said it and admitted that her engagement to a man was to try to prove that she was ok. Even though she knows she likes sex with women and doesn't like sex with men, she still can't accept that she's a lesbian and it's absolutely fine to be a lesbian, so has to wrap everything up in this psycho-issue.

Demi, girl, you can be a woman and like sucking pussy. Be proud and happy about it and enjoy yourself!

[quote]“I hooked up with a girl and was like, ‘I like this a lot more.’ It felt better. It felt right,” Lovato said. “Some of the guys I was hanging out with—when it would come time to be sexual or intimate, I would have this kind of visceral reaction. Like, ‘I just don’t want to put my mouth there.’ It wasn’t even based on the person it was with. I just found myself really appreciating the friendships of those people more than the romance, and I didn’t want the romance from anybody of the opposite sex.”

Max has since said that her pussy stunk.

While not a famous woman, a member of the management where I work a few hours a week as a part-time stylist, a young woman about 28ish, "came out" as they/them a few months ago. The company has gone a bit too woke over the past year & after a brief meeting about recommending products from black owned businesses before recommending any others (no joke) she announced that she had an announcement, then served us a half hour's worth of word salad about her personal epiphany. I really don't know this person beyond dealing with her in the limited capacity that work requires. Our jobs just don't require that our professional paths cross as often as with others. I do know she's a lesbian & that she's on top of any SJW cause with hubristic authority. Fast forward to about 2 weeks ago. I've refused to address her, to her face or to others, by her they/them pronouns, instead calling her by her name. I'm just not indulging that game. This bitch actually has the nerve to ask me if I have an issue with her pronouns because she senses some tension. Now, I talk with this woman about 10 minutes of the 20 hours I put in a month at this place, so for her to confront me with this was simply pompous & frankly unnecessary. All I said was, "You have an issue with being called by your first name, is that what you're telling me? If so, this conversation belongs in personnel with your superior mediating." She's since dropped the "issue" & we haven't spoken since. I hope she & all these attention-craving celebrities soon realize that not everyone ducks when we realize blanks are being fired as if they're machine gun ammo.

If the new generation want to be non-binary, then why do we have transgenders? It gets all confusing

Good for you, r43! Let's not indulge these idiots and instead let them know that we think they're talking crap.

She’s not “coming out” as anything. She has declared herself non-binary, a preposterous assertion, so is it any surprise that she’s demanding use of grammatically incorrect pronouns as well? Isn’t that sort of the point in the first place?

She’s a lezzy. End of story.

It's all about kicking the strict gender conforming patriarchy in its balls on its way down. It's about rejecting the outdated gender stereotype of the weak, girly woman who needs men to take care of her and therefore should remain in a position of power where they can do their job and take care of women.

[quote] Exactly. They feel like they're being "different", by following a trend and doing what everybody else is doing.

Everybody else = Demi Lovato & Eliot Ellen Page.

Wow that’s the whole world.

Personality disorders + attention whoring. They have a innate need to jump on bandwagons.

Who is the bigger attention whore? The one changing his or her gender pronouns or the one who is obsessed with the topic and makes it his life's mission to draw people's attention to this non-issue?

It's a cheap ploy for attention, and since it';s unverifiable and takes advantage of people's sympathies, it usually works.

Demi Lovato does not think she's a "they" any more than Dr. Jill Biden thinks she's a they, but no one will question Demi and everyone will say how oppressed she has been and how brave she is being.

Who is the bigger idiot, the one announcing his gender pronouns or the ones obsessing over other people and their gender pronouns? Like, is your life that empty that you need it to fill it with whatever other people do?

[quote] It's all about kicking the strict gender conforming patriarchy in its balls on its way down.

The irony of this is staggering. Apparently the only way to do this is NOT to be a woman.

If it's such a "non-issue", then why do Lovato, Page, Sam Smith, etc need to make such a big song and dance about their gender identities and pronoun choices?

R51/r53, the whole point of "announcing their pronouns" is to make all of us, the entire rest of society, pay attention to them and change our whole language and basic beliefs about fundamental aspects of what it means to be a human being, such as our literal body. On top of that, they also demand that we all declare our pronouns.

Demi Lovato is a woman, a female and her pronouns are she/her. Any attempt to make me believe otherwise is an attempt to force me to follow their gender ideology, which I don't agree with.

I don't have a problem with using peoples' preferred pronouns, I'm just concerned that in younger generations, there will no longer be gay/lesbian-identified women and no community. It's already pretty isolating being a gay woman because a lot of gay women fly under the radar and aren't all involved in their community locally. If the younger generation doesn't feel "safe" to be a gay woman and it feels safer to claim the nonbinary label, what does that say about our society? It's regressive to think women can't have ANY masculine energy or else they need a new label and vice versa.

Gay men, do you see the same thing with the younger generation of same-sex attracted males?

[quote]If the new generation want to be non-binary, then why do we have transgenders? It gets all confusing

Non-binaries are going to try and erase the Trans. Just like Trans tried to erase gays and lesbians. Karma is a bitch.

[quote]It's a cheap ploy for attention, and since it';s unverifiable and takes advantage of people's sympathies, it usually works.

Yep, it's the new Fibromyalgia.

Do you think that Ell(en)iot page is mad that demi Lovato stole her schtick?