Why Some Straight Men Have Sex With Other Men

Because they aren't straight.

[quote]Has gay become a social construct now, like gender?

John Money posting on Datalounge from beyond the grave.

Articles like the one you posted appear every once in a while, and the premise is always the same: Just because “bros” perform sexual acts with other “bros”, doesn’t mean they’re gay. How dare you?

I used to read on Bodybuilding.com, and I swear, the gayest comments were always the ones that ended with “no homo”. It’s sad that some guys are just too scared to admit that they are gay or bi and these types of articles are not helping anyone.

It's like identifying as a vegan but secretly eating fried chicken.

[quote] I used to read on Bodybuilding.com, and I swear, the gayest comments were always the ones that ended with “no homo”.

I used to read incel boards, which overlap with bodybuilding.com's clientele-- especially the /misc board over there. They all sound gayer than the gayest gay who ever gayed.

[quote]Why Some Straight Men Have Sex With Other Men

They call that bisexuality where I come from.

"Straight men who have sex with other men are not necessarily closeted, because they do genuinely see themselves as heterosexual."

See? What's the problem? Now get outta my face.

[quote] "Straight men who have sex with other men are not necessarily closeted, because they do genuinely see themselves as heterosexual."

I'm guessing these are the people who tell people "I don't like labels...I'm not gay".

Because

THEY ARE HOMOSEXUAL!

boom

It's a laughably stupid article.

He found a bunch of older closet cases from rural areas who don't "identify" as gay because they are so deep in the closet they have convinced themselves what they're doing is not really "gay".

He uses the fact that they support gay rights as "proof" they are not homophobes. Because yes, they don't hate the gay guys they have sex with. They just view out gay men as being some sort of different species.

Some of this is related to the media pushing the notion that all gay men are of the "Yassss Qween!!" femme variety, but 99% of it is just being happier being in the closet in a state of deep denial.

[quote]of the "Yassss Qween!!"

Why do I keep reading this ridiculous expression everywhere today? Is it you using it over and over?

No R12. But that low-pitched hum you keep hearing in the kitchen? That's me.

I'm working on a clanking noise in your car too.

I'm willing to accept a guy is straight if he only gets blow jobs from guys with no extra touching involved. I believe there are some straight guys who don't care who sucks their dick. Beyond that, you're gay or bi.

I'm willing to accept a guy is gay if he only gets blow jobs from girls with no extra touching involved. I believe there are some gay guys who don't care who sucks their dick. Beyond that, you're straight or bi

It's because they want to have sex with someone who's hot (a man) and are tired of having sex with people who are not hot (women).

It's all a head game they play on themselves. Much like alterative facts.

And yes, it's because "gay" is still looked upon as second class.

They like 'dates', when everyone is rested and showered and their colon is clean as a whistle. No mussy, no fussy.

Because they are gay. Not straight.

Yup, it's true. Seen it happen. Especially if the straight man is attracted to an androgynous man.

Straight men aren't attracted to other men. Period. They'd rather eat shit.

How many real gays say "I fucked her because the sex had cooled with my BF?"

OP Bullshit.

They like cock = GAY

Throughout the history of man, whether as far back as the Mesopotamians or even the Romans, homosexuality is shown to be a natural trait within all men. A great deal of ‘straight’ men secretly detest the female anatomy. The human penis is simply an incredible piece of evolutionary power and beauty, in its uniqueness and unsurpassed size in the class of Apes we descend from. That’s enough right there, to rightfully enjoy a brojob.

OP, Any port in a storm.

GIVE ME LIFE R13!

[quote]The human penis is simply an incredible piece of evolutionary power and beauty, in its uniqueness and unsurpassed size in the class of Apes we descend from. That’s enough right there, to rightfully enjoy a brojob.

and Dats da suck job!

What R1 said.

They would on a desert island. Or in prison. Aka forced circumstances. Why not also voluntarily?

[quote]They would on a desert island. Or in prison. Aka forced circumstances.

In your fantasies.

The only straight men who fuck other dudes are in prison.

R31, and English chaps in boarding school.

[quote]The only straight men who fuck other dudes are in prison.

Did you miss all the replies insisting that no straight man would ever have any kind of sex with another man?

[quote]The only straight men who fuck other dudes are in prison.

They're called bisexuals.

You ignorant little hillbilly. You’ll do everything I tell you to do.

Roy Cohn SWORE he wasn't gay, then he blew the doors of hell wide open when he died of AIDS.

[quote]Why Some Straight Men Have Sex With Other Men

Because "no homo" does not apply to them.

Roy Cohn was not a fag! And I'm the dame who can prove it. In fact, he died on top of me...

"The only straight men who fuck other dudes are in prison."

And in the legitimate theatre.

Straight guys having gay sex aren’t bi?

It's not gay if the balls don't touch.

That article was a waste of time and did nothing to highlight why straight men have sex with men.

I’ve been shocked to learn how many former SeanCody and Corbin Fisher models are now married to women and have kids. Most of them didn’t just do a solo or one sex scene and put it behind them. They came back again and again and again to do stuff with other men that I, a gold star gay, wouldn’t do.

Straight is such an overvalued label. It's like the world is going to end if one has to part with it.

"I'm an expert at sucking cock and taking dick up my ass, but for the love of God! Don't take the Straight Label away from me! I beg you, I'll suck your cock so good if you let me keep it, please!"

Exactly, R43. And honestly, a true scientist isn’t going to accept someone’s excuses as fact. Just because some homo in Wyoming doesn’t want to identify as gay or bi, he is as long as he’s sucking dick.

So - this is a 'scholarly' article about men in rural areas and small towns with no real gay life or communities who supposedly are 100% straight and just have sex with men on the side.

Cough, cough - bullshit. These guys are gay and trapped in their small towns and marriages and profess that life is great but that they are really dying inside and have to convince themselves that they're OK.

They should be pitied - but don't call them straight.

The actual Sean Cody was a probation officer. You do the math, R42.

The some bullshit

Let’s not put labels on it! 🤡

Thank you R1. Fact.

[quote] The only straight men who fuck other dudes are in prison.

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT???

WHO HAVE YOU BEEN TALKING TO?!?

The DL doesn’t believe in the MSM. It is a real thing. Bisexuality does exist, but so does MSM. Kinsey got it right, despite what a few DL dizzy kaweens and ignorant fraus in denial think.

MSM?

R52, I believe that's Men who have Sex with Men, but don't identify as gay.

Men who have sex with men = MSM

I have a friend who has two kids with one woman, only dates women, but has had plenty of gay sex throughout his life. He doesn’t identify as gay, straight, or bisexual. He’s bisexual, though, leaning straight I think.

[quote]...who supposedly are 100% straight and just have sex with men on the side....

On the side of what, the side of the road?

Thanks R53/R54. I figured it couldn't be main stream media!

Then your friend is a bisexual R54. Who cares what he identifies with - not identifying with something doesn't erase cocks going up asses. Bisexual - that's what he is.

Wasn’t there a scene in ANGELS IN AMERICA about this? Where Roy Cohn *spits* is talking to his Doctor about his AIDS. Iirc Cohn stresses that he privately acknowledges himself to be someone who has sex with men, but absolutely not someone who is politically or socially or culturally gay like Belize & Prior & Louis.

This is "gay" men seeking to maintain straight privilege. "Tail" as old as time. They aint straight.

Gay men sometimes have sex with women because we're just fabulous! But straight men NEVER have sex with gay men - hence the "straight" part...LOL

Labels. I think Minsey was right-most people are somewhere in the middle and fewer at the extremes. I’ve had sex with str8 men, gay men, bisexuals, pansexuals, lesbians, bigirls, str8 women, etc. i think most folks are open to lots of sexual stuff and even more if booze or molly is involved. Really I think most people just don’t want to be found out by their friends/enemies.

Oops “Kinsey”^^

There's a big difference DL, between straight men who sometimes experiment or who have had sex with another guy when they were drunk and horny and "straight" men who actively seek out sex with other men on a regular basis.

If you have a Grindr account, you're not straight.

[quote]If you have a Grindr account, you're not straight.

If you've had a cock up your ass then you're not straight.

Disagree R63

There are plenty of guys who will experiment once or twice, including anal sex

It's the actively seeking it out part that's the line.

That's why I hate bisexual

R63 Right? I'm amused when a man having sex with a man insists he (or the other guy) is straight. No honey, if you're having sex with a man, you may not be gay, but you aint straight either. It reminds me of the saying: "I'm not gay but my boyfriend is." LOL There's no shame in being on the LGBTQ spectrum.

Because they're not straight, OP.

The very definition of being gay or bisexual is: having sex with/ being sexually attracted to, the same sex as yourself. It doesn't matter if they want to label themselves straight, they're not. Enabling their delusions feeds into homophobia because if a (so called) "straight" guy can have willing sex with another guy, but still be straight, then a gay man should be able to have sex with women, making conversion therapy have some merit. It makes sexual orientation seem like an at will light switch that can be casually flipped, as if who you have sex with doesn't apply to it.

How many gay men actively pursue sex with men when they’re horny? How many gay men do straight porn? How many gay men desperate for money reluctantly offer sex to women?

EXACTLY.

Straight men do not have sex with men unless it’s non-consensual, they’re on drugs and desperate, or their curious and try it once. The guys in the article OP posted actively pursue sex with other men, and even if they want to play word games, they’re bisexual.

Straight men aren’t curious about sex with men. It might go as far as a kiss on the cheek or a rub as teens, but nothing where they get hard.

Can we be a bit more open to this? Everyone is so quick to dismiss them as gay, why? Some straight dudes are straight and bros. They just want their dick sucked by a guy from time to time. That’s extremely hot. I’ll take all that straight men dick and respect their choice. They are hot AF. This is why you ain’t scoring straight bro dick. Go to your nelly bottoms.

[quote]That’s extremely hot

Why? What’s the difference? Is it the allusion?

R71, don’t lie to prove a point. Most people aren’t saying guys who have sex with men while identifying as straight, are actually gay. They’re bisexual. And even if that attraction isn’t equally split between women and men, intentionally having sex with a man on multiple occasions is not the behavior of someone who is straight.

Have any of you actually denied a self identified straight man's advances to get his dick sucked by you or fuck you up the ass? Until that starts happening aint shit going to change!

I'm so glad to be discussing this topic for the hundredth time this week.

r75 I think people just start threads about this when it gets slow to rile up the place 😁

The problem with this discussion is that there are a lot of R71s, guys who get off on the idea of having sex with a "straight" guy.

As a number of us have noted in other threads, one of the easiest ways to get laid back in Craigslist days was to claim to be a curious straight guy--even better if you could claim to be married.

And if we're really being honest, so much of gay porn is about the fantasy of seducing a straight guy.

I don't buy into the notion of "suck one cock and you're gay forever" as many guys experiment, especially in high school and college, but as many have noted on this thread, anyone actively seeking out gay sex is bisexual or gay.

Is this a JC Chasez song?

R77, it's hilarious you link to "Jordan Brandt." Supposedly he's married and lost his job due to the pandemic, but he sure does devote a lot of time to fucking guys. Also, aside from a wedding ring, which comes across as a prop, there's no proof his story isn't completely made up...like everyone else's who's involved with Brandt Boys.

R74–are you black?

Y'all can fantasize all you want but "straight" men are not interested in sex with men. Think about a chick coming on to you. Unless you are bisexual, you are gonna decline that offer. Willingly having sex with men doesn't make you gay but it means you aint straight. Even if you never have sex with men again, you still aint straight and that is OK. You are in good company. ;)

They're bi. Some are honest about it, some are legitimately struggling with the idea, and some are duplicitous, intentfully or not.

The first group (honest) might sometimes use 'straight' identity as a shorthand for a personally defined lifestyle (NOT SOCIALLY, as we deny 'gay lifestyle' as well) where they're engaged in all social activities and proclivities that they think straight people are expected to, except they're forward and clearheaded about the idea that they're also sexually into the same sex. I don't mind them. The strugglers I've learned to keep some distance for my own sake, and the duplicitous can and should be ignored, until they at least become the struggling.

R77 That clip is super HOT!!!

Bi is so much hotter than “straight”. “Straight” turns me off but so many gay men love it.

R77 Jordan.

It's hard for me to understand how you can justify cheating on your partner with a man because then you're not really cheating. I guess technically it's true - you're not stepping out with another woman.

It's like all of those teens that take a purity vow and then a huge percentage end up having anal sex instead. It's like a loophole they think they've found.

I suppose fucking guys is an easier option - you can just claim to be hanging out with the guys. There's no likelihood of pregnancy and, presumably, the other guy is closeted so no one is going to break that trust. Plus, there are no fears of the other woman wanting you to divorce your wife and cause a scene.

But this is all mental gymnastics - they are definitely on the gay spectrum, but they've lived in conservative environments and have been brain washed / limited in their scope of thinking.

I hooked up with a guy who later told me he was “straight”—I never hooked up with him again. I just wasn’t attracted to him anymore. He came over and masturbated next to me on my couch, I just sat there watching X-Men completely uninterested.

The link at R77 was intended to be an illustration of how prevalent the fantasy of hooking up with a "straight" guy is in gay porn, a "straight married guy" even more so.

And so yes R79, I agree that all of the back stories on Brandt are invented and are nothing more than clever marketing which acknowledges the fact that claiming a guy having gay sex is straight is a successful strategy. They have executed against that strategy very well though--Jordan often pretends to reluctantly engage in gay or or they invent scenarios where he loses a bet or similar.

R81 clearly you were never at a bar at closing time. I’ve seen horniness make for some very odd couplings.

[quote] Y'all can fantasize all you want but "straight" men are not interested in sex with men. Think about a chick coming on to you. Unless you are bisexual, you are gonna decline that offer. Willingly having sex with men doesn't make you gay but it means you aint straight. Even if you never have sex with men again, you still aint straight and that is OK. You are in good company. ;)

Not to split hairs, but most people have standards. Plenty of straight men would say "no" to some fugly bar skank. It's the same with gay guys who'd rather run for the hills than say yes to some fugly troll. Of course, if drugs or alcohol are involved you do get the "what the hell was I thinking???" aftermath.

The thing is straight guys are attracted to other men, just not in the full-on sexual way. Bromance, in more of a joke kind of way, was about that. But it gets ruined by the "it's all about sex, sex, sex!" mentality where pretty much every single action is motivated by getting laid.

If you enjoy full-on sex with women and men then you're bisexual. Not the end of the world.

[quote] Straight men do not have sex with men unless it’s non-consensual, they’re on drugs and desperate, or their curious and try it once.

I don’t buy the ‘drugs’ theory. Even if I were on ecstasy or meth or coke (not that I have tried any of them, ever), I still wouldn’t have sex with a girl even if I felt “desperate”. It doesn’t make sense. You’d have to be bisexual to agree so easily to fucking someone of the sex you don’t normally have sex with.

No, women don't have penises.

R92, Wanna bet?

I'll take that action.

I do think experimenting as a teen doesn't make you gay or bi. I mean, there are plenty of gays who had sex with women as teens or even in adulthood, while being in the closet. And then, after they came out, stopped having sex with women.

Like there are Gold Star Gays who never had sex with women, there are Gold Star Straights who never had sex with a guy.

I have never seen so many people invested in someone else’s sexual identity. So many of you are dead certain about what constitutes someone (else)’s true sexual orientation/preference without ever having talked to said person. I wonder why?

This same article made the rounds 4 or 5 years ago when the phd student who did the "study" pimped it out as clickbait - not sure if he did another study or is just recycling the same apologia for closet cases. I had an email correspondence with Tony when he did his original study and he was quite nice and was much more circumspect than comes across in the clickbait blog posts. He acknowledged that his decision to categorically exclude the role of internalized homophobia and to accept the narrative of the men at face value was by design. That is his call as a researcher but I'm not sure how you just ignore homophobia (the gay rights screening question was of dubious value) and to accept their own narratives as conclusive when we know from decades of sociology and psychology that show how unreliable self-exculpating narratives, especially when dealing with "tainted" (socially disfavored) identities. I think there is value in studying these narratives so long as they are critically evaluated rather than taken as literally true. It was clear that all of the men kept these sexual encounters strictly private and went to great lengths to cover up their same sex encounters - they obviously know that no one really buys their excuses so they have to hide them to maintain the heterosexual public identity.

Many gay men like the fantasy that they have "turned" a straight guy--think of the amount of gay porn that is based off that premise-- and so it's not surprising that many DLers will want to believe that the guys they have sex with are "straight" -- it's much more of a turn-on than admitting he's bi or a closet case.

Are the gay men who seek out only straight men tops or bottoms?

So hot to think a straight man comes to you and you worship him and get him off. The ultimate reward.

Are you trans R100?

Suggesting that most men have "standards" seems correct, except for what I have witnessed at bars approaching closing time in both straight and gays settings.

The same goes for women.

Who are the two guys in the picture from OP's post?

R103:

It’s Narcissus staring at his reflection in the mirror.

Whores and sexaholics, dear.

That "study" basically was NO HOMO with big words...

Why do gay men keep sucking my dick?

When you're with your friend who's also male and also straight, and one of you has his dick up the other one's ass, you are both gay at that moment.

If, later, you want to compartmentalize, forget, overlook, explain it away as a moment of weakness/drunkenness/experimentation, then you're straight with a secret thing for fucking men at least X time/s.

If you make a habit of doing this and fucking women, you're bisexual.

But these straight men keep having sex with men—and never, ever stop.

DLers struggle with the concept of "experimented a few times with a friend when younger and drunk" versus "continues to actively seek out sex with other men and maintains a profile on a gay hook up app."

Whenever a guy claims to be straight and he looking for sex with men—that’s a red flag for disease.

R110 Comments like yours are why women end up married to gay men. Guys who experiment with other guys can be any number of things, but they're not straight.

Gay men say they were born gay but some gay men don't wanna accept that straight men were born straight.

[quote] Roy Cohn SWORE he wasn't gay, then he blew the doors of hell wide open when he died of AIDS.

Please. Not even a whimper. It was MUCH better with Lyndon Johnson.

R113, I woved Woy.

video-Straight Passing Gay Man Claims This Is What Goes Down Among Straight Males During Sleepovers!

This is how Ricky Schroder movies are born.

R115 this sounds like another gay dude fantasizing and rewriting his history. I grew up around all str8 guys and we never did any shit like that nor did I ever hear of anyone doing this.

I pictured my male gym teacher/football coach naked too, but nothing ever happened with him either. C'mon guys cut the crap.

Straight men don't have sex with other men. Only bi and gay men do. And THAT is fucking THAT.

R118 You're right. I have no idea why gays always fantasize about sex with str8 men. It must have to do with low self esteem. Always craving heterosexual "acceptance" - but in a perverted way. It's not enough for them to be an ally, but they still wanna have sex with them and constantly make up stories or try to get them in situations for sex. It's sick.

Exactly what R118 said.

All the rest of this fallacy is a mythical fetish fantasy created by a group of gay men who have fetish fantasies about having sex with "straight" men. No straight man wants a cock up his ass. Fact.

R4, I saw a Twitter post the other day that said:

I am a vegan who eats meat. We exist. Deal with it.

I can't find it now, but there you go. Straight guys who have sex with other men, and vegans who eat meat.

Words have no meaning anymore.

Yes R121 Str8s don't have sex with the gays! Period!

The closest a gay man is gonna get to having sex with a str8 man is having sex with a bisexual man.

I've had many bad experiences with bisexual men. They often want what they can't have at home, which is dick.

Don't let them suck you unless you want your dick knicked up. They can't suck worth a damn.

They will probably want you to fuck them, but don't do it. Since they don't know how to clean and prepare for anal, you will likely have shit on your dick.

And don't even think about letting them give you a handjob, they are gonna grab on you like they are milking a cow... as rough as they are you'd think they never jerked off a dick before - not even their own!

No more bisexual men for me! Only gays!

It's not liking men they have a problem with, it's ONLY liking men they have a problem with.

Somehow they think liking pussy somehow erases lust for cock.

I think there are gay men who have engaged in sexual activity with women and I think there are straight men who have engaged in sexual activity with men. Sexual orientation is about desire, arousal, lust, and attraction not about genital contact. The act of putting a penis in a vagina doesn't make you straight. Men can experiment with other men and then realize it does nothing for them. Drugs, alcohol, and circumstance can also lead to sexual contact that is void of desire or attraction.

[Quote]The act of putting a penis in a vagina doesn't make you straight.

R124 that is the only true statement you made. However the act of putting your penis in a man's mouth or ass (or having him put his penis in you) makes you NOT straight. You do understand that right?

Straight means the man doesn't have sex with men. PERIOD. You're an adult so surely you understand how sexual attraction works right? Stop trying to rationalize to support your fantasy. It's sick.

R125. So you don't believe that any man who has had any sexual contact with a woman can call himself gay? He can say he is bisexual but not gay because he at some point had sexual contact with a woman? I just don't agree with you. Same with men having sexual contact with men. It isn't always about attraction. I don't agree that any man who has had sexual contact with another man is bisexual or gay just like I don't believe that every man who has ever had sexual contact with a woman is either straight or bisexual. Sexual orientation and sexual contact are not the same thing.

[quote]Straight means the man doesn't have sex with men. PERIOD

It means he doesn't get off on it.

By your definition a guy can be made bisexual through rape.

Rape won't make you gay. That's one of the myths homophobes made up to deny us rights and cover up for their own abuse of children.

Male on male rape doesn’t “turn” one gay, but it does help some guys realize that they are bi/gay, or makes them confused because they were shockingly aroused by it (this was a story in a Law & Order SVU episode).

R129

Sorry, “help” was a poor choice of words. I hope people get what I mean and don’t take it the wrong way.

R125, Sweet thang, you can call yourself whatever you want and you can fuck whoever gets you hard and lets you stick it in. But if you are fucking men AND women, that is literally the definition of bisexual.

Gays have no interest in women so there will be no sex with them. They call them "gold star gays." Their dicks probably won't even get hard... ie. no interest. That is how sexual attraction works gurrrlfriend.

Plenty of men who identify as gay have had sex with women. That makes them by definition, bisexual. Sorry but that is just a fact. Bisexuals often like one sex more and go exclusively in one direction as society favors couplings. And some other people choose to go back and forth between both sexes. Sexual behavioral choices do not negate their sexual orientation.

And unless a straight man is raped, there will be NO SEXUAL CONTACT between a gay man and a straight man. Just like gold star gays, he has no interest in men. That is how sexual attraction works. Why can't you people get this through your heads? Is your self esteem so low that you have to chase people who don't want you? If he has an interest, that puts him in the category of bisexual. Straight men are not interested in you Miss Thang! They want pussy. Just like you want dick.

Why is it you want heterosexuals to respect your orientation but you don't wanna respect theirs??? This is how a lot of gay and trans people get attacked. Y'all wanna play with fire. Leave those people alone. They don't want you.

R127 that is just plain stupid. Are you really trying to equate sexual orientation with rape? We are discussing voluntary, consenting activity. Gurrrrl, rape is a crime ok? That has nothing to do with this conversation. Don't be obtuse.

R128 Behavior follows sexual orientation. Sexual orientation doesn't follow behavior. As human beings, our behavior flows from our thoughts. I know that is a big fantasy of many of you gay men, but you can't turn a straight man gay. He's gotta want it.

It is the subplot of many a gay porno that a straight man gets tricked, or drunk or manipulated into fucking a man and suddenly discovering he LOVES it! LOL Yeah that is some queer director's fantasy. That doesn't happen.

No straight pussy craving guy is gonna see your rough pimple covered shitty gaping prolapsed asshole and think "lemme put my dick in that instead!" LOL

[quote]Why is it you want heterosexuals to respect your orientation but you don't wanna respect theirs??? This is how a lot of gay [bold]and trans[/bold] people get attacked.

R131 outed itself as a homophobe.

You only care about trannies and breeders and their sick, deviant, and bigoted lifestyles.

Both of them are a choice. Being gay is not.

most men LOVE cock (mainly their own)

R132, what is your reading comprehension level? Zero? When did I say being gay was a choice? I never did.

I specifically said that your orientation is something you cannot control. "Who" you sleep with IS ALWAYS A CHOICE. You can choose to sleep with men or women and wear whatever you want when you do it. I could give a shit!

My point is stop trying to fuck with people who don't want you and then complain when you get rejected or worse. Leave fucking people alone.

R133 that is true for most men... gay and straight!

This thread reminds me of the Looking For Mr. Goodbar thread. Theresa Dunn's final one night stand was with a man who considered himself straight, even thought he fucked men. He thought the male sex didn't make him gay or bi because he only did it for money or favors. He was obviously very deluded. Also a psycho.

Does reality even exist anymore? We live in a universe of "alternate facts" and words meaning whatever you want them to. Kinsey's legendary scale still holds true -some guys are exclusively heterosexual, some exclusively homosexual, and some have tried/enjoyed both to some degree or other. That's reality. Now, we are suddenly redrawing the line between what is considered straight and what is considered gay -even though seeking out sex with your own gender (not just youthful experimentation) is the very definition of gay! Today we have "I am _________ because that is how I see myself and how I wish to be," regardless of reality.

Do these MSMs wish to maintain straight privilege? Of course they do! They want to enjoy sex the way they like it, but without any societal/social consequences. I don't really care how my sex partners "see" themselves. They have body parts that I like to play with. Those that don't have those parts, I DON'T want to play with.

The solution to all this is to get our society to accept the reality that most people are open to same-sex activities, and have it mean absolutely nothing. In a healthy society, only those who are on the extreme ends of the Kinsey scale should be looked at askance. Whether you call it bisexuality, MSM, mostly-straight, or whatever - it's gay sex!

I said R125 but I meant R126 in my post to you!

You pretty much had me until the end, R137--why do we have to "look askance" at those on the far ends of the Kinsey scale?

Yeah, I agree with you R139. I am not sure why R137 would look at anyone askance when the whole purpose of his post seems to suggest fuck who has what you like and what they call themselves is irrelevant.

Speaking of what people call themselves, my pet peeve is people who call themselves pansexual. They're just trying to be fancy. You either like dicks or pussies or both. There is no third type of genitalia.

STFU, you're bisexual!

Because women play hard to get and spew false accusations at men on the regular. Guys are hornier and easier

Bump

Would you guys consider the dad on Euphoria straight. He's pansexual but I mean politically he's straight. Well technically he's closeted too.

Just like I call myself a vegetarian but I frequently eat roast beef!

Any hole is a goal.

What do you mean politically straight?

Men are carnal raging fuck machines, they need it, they gotta have it, and right now,, and another man in the right situation will do just fine, I see it all the time. The sexual urge is a biological imperative, men have sex with other men when there is a comfort level between them, the right chemistry, opportunity, privacy, attraction, the "show me yours and I'll show you mine" mindset, etc. Why do you think so many men play with other guys in the middle of the day while the wife/girlfriend is at home or work, the kids in school, he has free time 12-1pm or thereabouts, hes horny, there's eye contact, checking each other out, hit the quiet secluded mens room or parking lot in the truck with tinted windows, BOOM!! Clean up, zip up, shut up! And then they go their separate ways, no hassles, no drama, no problems. Nobody wants problems, just good times. There's a large segment of the straight male population that just wants a physical sexual release without all the labels, just sex and only sex, and they find satisfaction with another man. It's been going on for centuries, nothing new...