Recollections May Vary: Part X

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They age so badly, don't they

One reason the daily mail public is going berserker over Megs and Hank is because Bill and Kate are so fucking boring. These two are about as charismatic as chicken soup. Every time Hank starts slamming the RF the tabloids run article after article featuring this dull, spiritless couple uttering some heartwarming blather about a "fun-filled day in Wolverhampton" or grinning insanely at children. They dress and act like they're 60 years old. Choosing between these two couples is a mug's game.

I'd rather hang out with "boring" William and Kate than have to spend five minutes with the Harkles and listen to their faux wokeness and endless whining.

Muriel is really cracking down on Klan threads.

Whoa, Kate is out there merching for Jigsaw and Tory Burch! What a conniving grifting cunt.

Kate and William are supposed to be boring. Useful, anodyne, unthreatening, approachable, and careful to make it clear that they represent everyone, not just London's Wokerati.

And, they are probably more enjoyable in person. Those meeting them on official engagements seem thrilled to see them.

And, er, Kate looked anything but boring at Philip's funeral. You could see a future Queen looking out from under that net half-veil. She's probably made of chrome steel under that demure countenance.

The resident doctor on the DM thinks Harry has had too much psychotherapy, and I tend to agree with him. Extensive exploration of one's childhood with the aim of discovering the pathological root of present day suffering, can lead one to believe one has been permanently damaged.

[QUOTE] She and her mother are said to be at a ranch in Santa Barbara, he is said to be at Soho House. Presumably Markus is back at Soho House. No word re: Merchie.

Klan Grannies finally jumped the shark with this one.

Si Beatrice announced her pregnancy on the Harkles anniversary. Aw.

Why is a slow-loading, slow-moving IX thread still in use?

R11 - Because people are commenting on the Harry's Gone Native Californian instead, which has really turned into what this thread was meant to turn into.

Threads are left open even if they're slow moving. Also, DLers appear to be totally undisciplined about not starting duplicate threads. A couple of hours after a thread was opened on Bea's pregnancy announcement, someone opened a second one. I mean, really? Two threads on Bea's pregnancy announcement?!

So the comments get spread across what are, in reality, half a dozen threads, four of which are totally unnecessary.

Meanwhile, this thread should be about the Palace's strategy in the face of what are now incessant, cruel, and in some cases provably false attacks by the Sussexes on the monarchy.

The Sussexes are, in my opinion, teetering on the edge of an abyss they clearly don't see in front of them. The public are less than fascinating with their "philanthropy" and only interested in their connection to the BRF. And yet, that connection is now is ashes. So all the Sussexes can do is keep the feud alive with constant attacks as a way of reminding the public they the Sussexes Are British Royalty!

But it can work for so long. They're beginning to get the message that in and of themselves, they're boring. Not to mention dislikable (Harry Fucking Windsor criticising the First Amendment whilst ostensibly a guest in the country - talk about own goals that show the public who you really are!).

The BRF's strategy of silence is working extremely well. The angrier and more sullen and vicious Harry's attacks become, the more they look like his victim rather than the other way around. The non-acknowledgement of the Sussexes' third wedding anniversary but announcing Bea's pregnancy and the Cambridges' upcoming Scottish tour on that exact date is a sign that the Palace is out of patience and is telling the public that they are out out out.

Word on the street is that behind that silence, the Palace and its advisors, solicitors, and senior royals are seriously considering further and more drastic steps, such as taking Harry's ducal title and his HRH for real. Stories about his hypocrisy in attacking the monarchy but holding on to his titles are being leaked repeatedly.

A few more virulent attacks on the institution and the Queen, and HM may even have a case for a removal from the line of succession. The Queen is, after all, Britain's Head of State. In attacking the Queen, which he recently did, Harry is attacking one of the two fundamental arms of Britain's national leadership (the other of course is the political arm, the government). If Harry doesn't watch himself, he may just give her a reason to, regretfully, request Parliament to remove him and his descendants from the line of succession.

Talk of "recollections varying"!

So there are interesting things that should be discussed here, it's a question of looking at what the thread title actually says and trying to stick to it.

^* the public are less than fascinated (not fascinating)

and

But it can only work FOR SO long

This is such a case study.

And a lesson in “marry in haste, repent at leisure”.

Meanwhile, the DM has just broken the story on the Bashir "Panorama" interview report, and has confirmed that Bashir did use faked documents to lure Diana into agreeing to the interview, but insists that it was "her own choice" to do the interview.

In my opinion, this is far more scandalous than much else being talked about re the BRF.

The man is guilty of having been a factor in her divorce (it was after the Panorama interview and the Morton book that the Queen ordered the divorce), the dismissal of her royal protection officers because Diana believed Bashir's lies, and leaving her vulnerable to incidents like getting into a car with a drunk driver and not wearing her seat belt. No RPOs worthy of their training would have let her get into that car - they'd have seen Henri Paul was drunk immediately. It was because Bashir persuaded Diana that the BRF was spying on her that she dismissed them. She figured Fayed's bodyguard was on the same level. He wasn't, despite being British.

And here is Diana's son, 25 years later, burning his bridges with the BRF with incendiary interviews that are already backfiring on him - despite Harry knowing full well that his mother regretted both the interview and the Morton book, and said that they were one of the biggest mistakes of her life.

Only when Diana said that, she didn't know quite yet just how big a mistake.

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Gee, Harry. Sometimes “journalists” manipulate people into saying things they probably shouldn’t.

NOW do you get it?

Thick plank, that one.

I'd dearly love to know what salacious things the RF had scrubbed from MeGain's past.

[quote] DLers appear to be totally undisciplined

Anarchy now!

The best comment I've read about Harry: "He's a shadow of his former self. The Phantom of the Opera."

R17, I hope they kept the originals...

OMG..Every time I think they are finally at the bottom of the shit barrel, they manage to find more to fling.

You know the problem with flinging shit, some always falls on you, no matter how careful or skillful you think you are.

I could really enjoy this if it wasn't for the kids.

Harry's intrinsic perhaps genetic limitations are sad, but Da-n..He is a growna-s man. Get more REAL help if you need it mate. You just look like a pathetic loser.

Markle..look up LA grifter in Websters & there is her picture. Nuff said.

But the kids..Its really tough when you are little & squarely in the public eye.

No matter what goes down, they will always been known as the offspring of these two creepy liars.

Talk about a birth defect & genetic pain. So unfair they surely didn't sign up for this mess.

The Phantom of the OPRAH. Not opera. I screwed up the joke

Meanwhile, as Harry and Meghan continue attacks that are revealing, rather than hiding, their narcissism, tone deafness, obsession with Harry's family, and ruthlessness, the Queen and William quietly went back to doing their jobs, William in Scotland and the Queen with the armed forces.

William's statement on the Bashir BBC scandal was universally praised for its dignity, force, measured tone, and lack of focus on self.

Whilst Harry back in Lala Land, keeps monetsing his mother's death.

Harry becomes more and more of a joke.

Harry at the Olympics, notice how he does not moderate his affect in public as adults do, and that no one around him seems to find his behavior at all unusual for HIM. Pre-Markle. The BRF have had and continue to have, a real problem on their hands.

'Harry at the Olympics, notice how he does not moderate his affect in public as adults do, and that no one around him seems to find his behavior at all unusual for HIM.'

You have clearly never known military men, Klan Granny. They are all like that and they're not worried about 'affect'. Stop with your cod psychology.

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New from Lady C

MEGAN MARKLE CRIMINAL CHARGE/Harry's untrue truths/cons/Nazi press/BBC needs investigating

Would someone kindly breakdown what she is saying? I can't play a video at the moment. Thank you so much!

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I am so fed up with these soi-disant "royal experts". Most of them don't know shit.

Producing articles is their job, R32. Scroll by or skip these threads. Did you get lost and find yourself on a GOSSIP SITE accidentally?

I've been here for years, R33, and contribute to the BRF/Sussex threads since the first Dangling Tendrils thread. But every day we read the tedious opinions of people like Dickie Arbiter, Angela Levin, the dreaded Lady CC, cooks and butlers who worked for the BRF 20 years ago, et al, and it gets old.

R34- Most of us are gossip junkies who read what everyone has to say, whether we give their opinions any real weight or not. It's what we DO, lol.

Maybe take a break for a bit, R34. You likely will not miss much, the Duo are repetitive themselves.

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R34 - R36 is right. This story isn't going anywhere any time soon. Go check out the tennis or skating or Who's Coming out in 2022 or Tasteful Friends threads.

Update on ANS case

Oh dear! And why did he ask only for himself to attend?

I doubt that they will still be together for the Jubilee.

His request indicates that he shares your sentiment, R41.

R40- Is this just manifesting from Montecito? I think so.

These two absolutely blasted the fuck out of his family, repeatedly and publicly. And now he wants to be part of family celebrations?

Does he truly not understand what he’s done?

“You’re racist bad parents and you killed my mother. Can I come to Granny’s party?”

But, but, but flying into London triggers him.

I imagine his family will do the right thing and spare him any additional trauma by leaving him off the guest list.

You should take the fucking hint OP.

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[quote] These two absolutely blasted the fuck out of his family, repeatedly and publicly. And now he wants to be part of family celebrations? Does he truly not understand what he’s done?

I think he still thinks he can embarass them into a half in/half out scenario. He saw the Queen back down in response to the public reaction to Diana's death and keeps trying to trigger the same on his own behalf.

Apparently Haz is willing to bravely endure the trauma of flying into London for this very special opportunity to get some PR photos with his family.

Even with the clip clop of the horses hooves, R50. How positively noble of him!

Bravely confronting such trauma will no doubt get him another sit-down with his buddy Oprah.

Fewer care about the whinging of Haz by the day. What mismanagement of a brand, will be studied in uni.

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New from Lady C, not sure I am buying this...

If he goes to the queen's jubilee, WHAT WILL HE WEAR??

Putting on a suit and tie or dressing up for an event triggers him, making him drip with sweat (though he managed to do it for the staged Remembrance Day photo OP).

Will there be another national incident if he doesn't get to put on a dress uniform so he can look as smashing as his brother? Would he be so dastardly as to cut in front of others?

So many questions, so many unknowns!

They'll drag Archie and Diana Jr. along so that people will be forced to speak to them.

I bet Harry's first wife ends up as Mrs. Tom Cruise.

After showing her true colours, her options are quite limited.

Oh dear!

Kate Middleton said nothing of the kind, least of all where anyone could hear her and lrak it to the press. All these stories are bullshit and the tabloids and Page Six know the BRF aren't going to waste their time correcting them every day, so they can print what they like as long as they don't cross certain lines.

Page Sixcis another one of Meghan's outlets. Scobie is their "source" and no one in the Palace would give him the time of day.

He also said that the Sussexes were absolutely going to return to England for events like the Trooping the Cour and Remembrance Day. And we know now how likely that is.

And by the way, the Platinum Jubilee isn't "family event", it's a national/state occasion that will involve statements by the PM and congratulations from foreign dignitaries.

It is not the equivalent of the Queen's birthday. And you may remember that last time, she made a point of having with her on the BP balcony ONLY those in the direct line of succession. To make the point that this event was about the present and future of the monarchy, and not about HER

This time, Prince George may also be up there, and possibly the other two Cambridge kids.

If you think the Harkles are going to fly in for another reminder of their second-tier status, whilst the Cambridges take centre-stage, think agsin.

This isn't a family party. It's a This Britain party, and Britain dislikes the Harkles intensely. and the Harkles know it.

Ain't happening.

^*leak it to the press

Damn this autocorrect, Muriel, can we PLEASE get a fucking EDIT function?!

^^*Trooping the Colour (not Cour)

I agree with r59 about her becoming the next Mrs. Thom Cruz.

It's not far fetched at all. She wants the status and privileges of being married to the HEIR of a dynasty which she would have with Thom. He also has a ton more money than Haz.

As an added bonus, if anyone dare deny her anything in that organization, they will simply be made to DISAPPEAR, permanently (See: Schelley Mizgavage). None of the futile "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets" her current, powerless toddler husband tried

The Cambs

We know what our Megs would get from a union with Tommy, but what would he get out of it? For one, she's old. Well, old for Tommy. He still fancies himself as a virile ladies man. Also, he would need someone discreet, and we all know that MeGAIN can't keep her trap shut for five seconds.

Tommy and his org could spin it that the courses his "religion" offers healed Meg of her suicidal thoughts and the trauma she suffered at the hands of the BRF AND now Haz. It would feed his god complex and support the $cienos are saving the earth gimmick.

Also, there is an opening for a Religious Super Couple since Tarzan and his scary looking wife went SPLASH!

" . . . and we all know that MeGAIN can't keep her trap shut for five seconds."

You didn't specify which one.

Oh joy, thread #3,166,498 in a continuing series of "How dare that Negress insult the Crown!" threads.

Continue with your circle jerk, ladies.

[quote]This isn't a family party. It's a This Britain party, and Britain dislikes the Harkles intensely. and the Harkles know it. Ain't happening.

I hope it doesn't. They have purposely sought to do nothing but harm the monarchy for their own benefit. If they come I hope they are booed roundly, whether it embarrasses the royal family or not. I hope some vengeful, clever courtier gives them their very own carriage in any procession, so when they are booed they can't mistake who it's meant for. They should not spoil an historic occasion. The odds of another king or queen reigning seventy years are low. She deserves the full focus, unmarred by speculation about those two. Maybe they could content themselves with sending flowers and then putting out a press release.

". . . It is not the equivalent of the Queen's birthday. And you may remember that last time, she made a point of having with her on the BP balcony ONLY those in the direct line of succession. To make the point that this event was about the present and future of the monarchy, and not about HER."

It was alleged at the time that Prince Andrew was livid about that Diamond Jubilee balcony appearance, not only on his own behalf but that of his two daughters, despite the fact that by then William and Kate were married, likely to become parents in the near future (they did, just one year later), and Andrew's days as even 4th in line, and his daughters' as 5th and 6th in line (where Harry already is now), were numbered.

It was in 2012 that Andrew was trying desperately to portray his daughters as legitimate candidates for "senior working royals". The attempt failed miserably and Bea and Eugenie sensible took the hint and disappeared into very comfortable private lives.

How ironic that with the exit of the Harkles, Bea and Eugenie might have had a shot at filling in - if only Andrew had taken a hint years earlier and dropped Epstein. I wonder if it is apparent to Andrew (who is as dumb as his nephew in Montecito) that it was his behaviour that put paid to any possibility of his daughters' being called upon to step into the gap the Harkles left.

Harry's first wife is so brazen but I think is still a coward. She pulls all her shit from a distance. I cannot imagine her having the balls to suffer through four days with the extended royal family. That would be a steep hill. I assume the royal family would be polite out of training and fear, but the soundtrack in her head... she's knows what she's done. That would be one loooooooooooong weekend, even for someone like her.

To which negress are you referring? The one who had her nose changed and hair straightened? The one who has no black friends and only dated white men? The one who was given a $50 million dollar wedding?

They will never be allowed to participate in any royal event again. Ever. The family may see Harry privately, but that is it. I can not believe anyone would think otherwise after all they have done.

Lol, from River

r75 Love Rivers videos! He's becoming a firm YouTube favourite of mine alongside Lady Colin Campbell.

r75 Whatever the outcome of the platinum jubilee situation I suspect based on the information in Rivers video that even if invited the Harkles will NOT be allowed on the balcony. At the last jubilee in 2012 it had been streamlined down from the whole royal family on the balcony to the Queen, Prince Philip, Prince Charles, Camilla, Prince William, Kate and Prince Harry. None of Williams children had been born. Now that they are born and maybe more to come the definition of direct line of succession does not need to include Prince Harry and his families and thus no balcony appearance!

It will be The Queen, Prince Charles, Camilla, Prince William, The Duchess of Cambridge, Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis.

NO ONE puts Meghan off the balcony!!!

Lol r78

He probably still hasn't absorbed or accepted one of the key lessons of Megxit. That his influence isn't that strong!

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I do have a sneaking suspicion that has persisted for a while that the Duchess of Cambridge will have one more child. I reckon there will be a pregnancy announcement before the end of the year.

[quote]NO ONE puts Meghan off the balcony!!!

In fact, let's put her right up front.

What happened to this thread?

Youtuber that discusses the royal couple regularly gives her reaction to the birth and naming of the baby. She is very forthright shall we say in stating her views!

R81 I'll see your sneaking suspicion and raise you another tenner that it ain't in the cards.

Kate turns 40 next year, she has a perfect little family, there would be massive criticism of another mouth on the royal gravy train and the rich kids' huge carbon footprint.

Last but not least, the Cambridges have too much to do. Their public profile has to be increasingly stepped up, another long maternity leave for Kate now would boost PR.

The nesting and breeding phase is over. Kate needs to be out and about and working for the monarchy.

And William absolutely doesn't want another. I think he had to be strong-armed by Kate for a third.

The Queen doesn't have much longer. The Cambridges have to be seen to be preparing to step up.

No - fourth- baby.

^*would NOT boost PR

So SS was putting out press releases that the spawn was due on Philip's bday when she had already been born? They have a pattern. Didn't they announce she was in labor with A several hours after his birth?

To give the child a name that was a family nickname for the Queen, with all that has transpired this year, seems extremely passive aggressive, to say the least. Perhaps better than Philipa since they may well have hastened that man's death. He was hospitalized the very day after the Sussexes called and announced they were doing the O1 interview that day.

How long until someone files for divorce? I give it under 2 years at this point. Sad life for the kids.

r85 A plausible analysis but I still think it shouldn't be discounted as a possibility.

I bet they used that nickname to name their daughter as a way of pandering to The Queen. They seem to always caveat everything with "but we're still SO close to the Queen. We have Zoom cocktails with her every week!". Apart from Harry's dis of his father's upbringing of course.

What they are really stupid about is that The Queen obviously doesn't have many years left and who is right behind her? Sure, pander to The Queen, but that's only going to get you so far. His father and brother are standing right behind her and he can't stop himself from slagging them off. Dumb dumb dumb. But then again, strategy was never their strong suit.

They diabolical duo will now sit back and impatiently wait for the Queen to reciprocate their odd and calculated grand gesture with an even grander gesture.

When that grand gesture doesn't happen and happen quickly in the form of $$$$ and undeserved perks, then they will come back swinging even harder.

Round two of their attacks will then have the added ammunition of Lili, Lili, Lili.

R88 - Well, nothing in life can ever be completely discounted. If Kate had married private wealth the way her sister did, I wouldn't be surprised at a fourth. Kate's a broody type and even her worst enemies admit she clearly loves being a mother.

But Kate's the next Princess of Wales and with the pandemic receding, she and William have a great deal on their plate re retaining, even retrieving, public interest in and attachment to the monarchy.

Kate can't afford to disappear into a long maternity leave just as things open up, the Platinum Jubilee rolls around, the Queen inches closer to the grave, and, approaching his mid-seventies, even Charles' life can't be taken for granted. Once past 70, shit really starts to hit the fan physically. Just because both his parents lived to nearly 100, doesn't mean he is guaranteed to do so.

The Cambridges at this point have to be prepared for anything. A fourth baby is the last thing they need right now.

That threatened doc with the secret recordings is still on tap, R90, Finding Dollars 2.0 and Harry's own book too.

The malice is unmistakable, it really is elder abuse. This is what narcs do, try to box in the response of the victim so as to make THEM look bad not the narc abuser. She is one for the books and he is no better. It is clear that he has resented and perhaps hated his family and station in life for many years. All those laughing photos with Philip, the Queen, his father, Will & Catherine - those people meant nothing to him and the relationships were just something to weaponize and montetize.

Was thinking about #4 kid yesterday r91. You made total sense - too too much going on. But wouldn't it be great though? Be great, if they threw caution to the wind, and produced another Princess (i.e, Margaret Victoria Anne) to really firm up and extend the Cambridge's line of succession.

I wish they did not all helicopter together, R93.

Latest from SS now turning on Sophie. The vitriol suggests Oprah is a SS client too.

So a joke that Oprah is not famous in Britain is racist? Reach much?

“And Omid Scobie, a journalist favoured by Harry and Meghan, has revealed that the couple are now taking time off work together. He said: ‘We're so used to seeing senior royals going back to work but Harry and Meghan are leading by example they offer up to 20 weeks parental leave at Archewell - it'll be several months off work for the pair of them’.”

Too funny

r94 So Oprah isn't so nice cuddly lovely and saintly after all.....

Eugenie posted a new photo of HER baby yesterday. No mention of Lili.

River is NOT happy

Harry's wife

fromberkshiretobuckingham Obviously a lot of us find Harry and Meghan’s choice of name odd. People can name their children what they want and often do (e.g., Apple, North, and the like), but this decision is particularly jarring. I think we all knew Diana would be incorporated, which is fine. For a first name, though, my money was on Philippa (the feminine form of Philip, which can then be shortened to Pippa). They went even farther, though, by giving the Queen’s family nickname—Lilibet—to their daughter as a first name.

A nickname is intimate and it is personal. It feels strange to watch Harry and Meghan viciously attack both the monarchy as an institution—an institution Elizabeth has dedicated her life to defending—and the family itself, and then to turn around and take the very unique pet name the Queen has had from childhood and give it to their daughter.

We all know Lilibet is or has been the family’s nickname for the Queen, but no one calls her that, because we are not her family. So it’s a very personal thing that, in some sense, belongs to her. Because the name is such a familiar and intimate one, by using it, it feels like Harry and Meghan are trying to signal to the world they are still on intimate terms with the Queen and therefore with the fount of royalty. They are using this opportunity to very publicly remind and reclaim their royal status.

Now, the Queen IS their family. Had they chosen this name for their first child before they left the Firm and tried to blow it all up on their way out (metaphorically speaking)—this would be too on the nose, but not offensive. But given everything that has happened, it is bizarre.

In short, rather than a sweet tribute to the Queen, it feels like a cheap attempt to further borrow and trade on the star power and prestige of the monarchy. Given their behavior in the last four months (they seem intent on destroying the institution of the monarchy), it feels hypocritical and tacky.

I stand corrected, Eugenie did issue congratulations to Dim & Duch but on her Insta stories not a post. Stories go away in a day.

I call bs. SS does not even try for plausible. The flower is of course, spelled "Lily." Not Lili.

^R103

Ouch... a review of the great work... from the Telegraph:

The Bench review: the Duchess of Sussex’s semi-literate vanity project leaves Harry holding the baby

1/5 The Duchess's first children's book is all bland parenting 'wisdom' and no story – and it's hard to imagine any child enjoying it

Poor Prince Harry. He's moved half way across the Earth, leaving behind everything he has ever known, and for what? A humble bench in a garden, according to the opening line of The Bench (Puffin, £12.99), his wife's debut book for children, published today and addressed throughout its 34 pages to him.

“This is your bench,” it begins, accompanied by a watery illustration of a man with ginger hair sitting on a bench looking adoringly into the eyes of a baby. “Where life will begin/For you and our son.”

Leaving aside that unfortunate image – did the Sussex's family life really begin on a bench? Surely not – the connotations are clear. Poor Harry's role in this marriage is to sit on his bench holding the baby while Meghan gets on and conquers the world, one act of compassion at a time.

The Bench, published worldwide today and apparently based on a poem Meghan wrote for Harry on Father's Day, is presented as a story for children. But it's nothing of the sort, not least since it's not a story. Rather it's a series of imperatives disguised as loving verse in which Meghan offers words of wisdom to Harry (represented throughout as a sort of racially inclusive, everyman paternal figure) and by implication to the rest of us, on how to handle the tricky business of loving a child.

Each page consists of a generic "bonding" moment between father and son on a different bench (park benches, garden benches, random grey benches), illustrated by Christian Robinson's amazingly benign water colours and accompanied by a couple of tender lines of advice. So, after a hard day tending the chickens, our father figure Harry will “rest” on his bench and “see the growth of our boy”.

As the “son” learns to ride a bike, our hero Harry will “watch on with pride”. And should the son playfully pop on a tutu, our father is helpfully told to be his “supporter”. Because any male child who playfully dresses up in a tutu obviously needs support, right?

Sometimes, the demands of scansion and rhyme defeat Meghan, so she resorts to either reconfiguring words or mutilating them instead. “He'll run and he'll fall/And he'll take it in stride,” reads one line. Eh? “With daddy and son/where you'll never be 'lone,” goes the book's immortal final line. Oh ouch!

Meanwhile, Meghan herself pops up at the end, tending the vegetable patch (I just don't believe this bit – surely the Sussexes have a gardener to pull the potatoes?) and, natch, holding a child, presumably young Lilibet.

One wonders how any publisher could have thought fit to publish this grammar-defying set of badly rhyming cod homilies, let alone think any child anywhere would want to read it. But that's planet Sussex for you, where even the business of raising a family is all about the brand.

The Sun:

MEGA MISS Meghan Markle’s new £9.99 book blasted ‘a dull, uninspiring VANITY PROJECT to line her pockets’ in scathing reviews

She should have just written new chapters for Michavelli's The Prince. They say you should always write about what you know.

The Times: The Bench by Meghan, Duchess of Sussex review — lacking a good story and basic rhythm / Rather than entertainment for children, this reads as a self-help manual for needy parents, says Alex O’Connell

Writing good picture books for small children is far harder than it looks. A fact only reinforced after reading The Bench, the debut from Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, who follows Sarah Ferguson and Queen Victoria in the grand tradition of royals who have given it a go.

The story, so lacking in action and jeopardy you half wonder if the writing job was delegated to a piece of furniture, charts the relationship between a father and son seen through the eyes of a mother. The action takes place around the said bench, the daddies and boys changing from page to page, allowing for a diverse cast: a Sikh dad and his son play football, a father and son with plaited hair watch the stars.

It has beautiful illustrations by the Caldecott-winning artist Christian Robinson (they really got the best) but lacks the crucial ingredients for a successful tale for this age group: a good story and basic rhythm. Inevitably, spotting the roman à clef becomes the main point of interest for adult readers.

From the dedication at the front — “For the man and the boy who make my heart go pump-pump” — to the ginger-haired, bearded father cradling a son on the opening spread to a pop in army fatigues throwing his son into the air, this is unavoidably personal.

Something for fans of picture book hit Julian is a Mermaid — but also a stern memo to the royals? We will do this parenting lark differently. “He’ll feel happiness, sorrow / One day be heartbroken” feels pertinent for obvious reasons as a small boy holds a heart upside down in one hand and a drooping flower in the other. And then a dig at repressed British upbringings? “You’ll tell him “I love you” / Those words always spoken”.

As with so many picture books at the moment, it reads as if it has been penned as a self-help manual for needy parents rather than as a story to entertain small kids. There is a reason why books by Judith Kerr, Ezra Jack Keats, Michael Rosen and John Burningham endure. They demand excellence, deliver not a spare word, pack in darkness and light, put children — not a therapy couch — at their centre.

If you are so inclined, there are meanings to be read into every line. Is, “He’ll learn to ride a bike / As you watch on with pride” a dig at the author’s father-in-law, who her husband claims not to have taken him on cycle rides? “You’ll love him. You’ll listen. You’ll be his supporter,” she writes to an accompanying illustration of a dad stretching in a tutu, son in matching one.

Pass the puke bucket, please.

These reviews are amazing.

A tutu? Maybe she plans for Arch to become Annabel?

Oof! Hard to disagree here.

From NBC:

Meghan and Harry's baby name Lilibet, Queen Elizabeth's nickname, is at best tone deaf

Giving their daughter the monarch's private name seems like it could be a cynical attempt at reconciliation without actually doing any work.

NBC:

From where I sit, it looks like Harry and Meghan are using a Band-Aid to try to fix a gunshot wound, with Harry saying, "Hey Grandma, I know you're pissed off with me right now, so I thought I'd take your very private nickname and put it in the public domain by giving it to our newborn daughter." At best, the decision seems tone-deaf. At worst, it's a cynical attempt at a reconciliation without actually doing any reconciliation work.

Frankly, the queen deserves better. Her late husband — the only one who really was entitled to call her by her nickname — was barely in his grave when her grandson chose to shout across the pond, "Surprise!"

Americans can't seem to get enough of the pomp and circumstance of the royal family, because there's simply no equivalent here. However, they conveniently like to overlook what goes hand in hand with that pomp and circumstance — specifically, strict rules and protocols. So while Americans might think Harry and Meghan have offered a sweet and touching gesture, making their child's first name the nickname of the country's official head of state is egregious.

Britons overall are much more private than Americans, and for the royal family, privacy is particularly cherished given how much of a public life they have to lead. Harry and Meghan have been in the U.S. for only 15 months, but it appears that in their eagerness to embrace the laid-back American attitude — and their desire or need for public visibility — they have chosen to throw royal rules and traditions out the window yet again. If Harry and Meghan really wanted to make inroads in healing this family rift, they could have done so in a private forum.

Oof:

"Tellingly, there has been no specific response from the queen about the baby's name. The official Buckingham Palace statement simply reads, "The Queen, The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall, and The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have been informed and are delighted with the news of the birth of a daughter for The Duke and Duchess of Sussex."

Make of that what you will."

Rough media day for Megs all around.

In fairness, the queen isn’t going to comment on the name one way or the other.

Because she's an old bitch!

Using it would be an indirect comment, as is the omission of it.

[quote]As Muriel insists on paywalling this particular topic before it is even halfway to 600

You assume this thread will even get to 200.

The much longer Recollections thread was not just closed, but deleted.

I make of that announcement as being slightly more than the bare minimum.

The name and the book seem to be generating a lot of negative blow back, but for narcs, any attention is supply.

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The 'ginger and the whinger' are the 'two least interesting people out there'

Lots of good info on this channel

New Lady C vid

Somewhere in the Santa Barbara area MegaPain is on the phone with People magazine negotiating the LilDi cover.

[quote]...with the news of the birth of a daughter for The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

Note that this BP statement makes no mention of who gave birth to their daughter.

HerbWelch 24 minutes ago So the Queen dosen’t own the word „royal” and now she dosen’t own the right to privacy of her own nickname 🤷🏻‍♂️

She doesn’t own “service” either, apparently.

Just who does that dame think she is?

R127 - Lady C. says that the statements from H&M's spokesman and the Buckingham House spokesman uses English in a way to indicate a surrogacy birth, not a birth from Meghan's body. The baby was born FOR not TO . (it's at about the 10:45 minute mark). Interesting.

From her sources, H&M informed the Queen that they were thinking of naming the baby after her but she thought it was going to be Elizabeth. By naming their daughter Lilibet, they disrespected the Queen and violated her privacy.

I think C is making shit up on that one. The child isn't a week old. The Queen has had time to confide in someone who leaked to someone who told the prodigiously chatty Lady C within five days of the birth?

I do not believe the Palace would contribute to outing any unusual circumstances of the child's birth because there is no advantage or purpose in doing so, other than to perhaps antagonise two loose cannons who've been trouble enough. Why would they chance that?

Further, Meagain is too vain and too self-important to have done that interview looking like that if she wasn't actually finalising her dual coverage policy in situ. She looked bloated next to Orca. No mean feat.

Who believes this?

How about this?

She is just humiliating herself at this point. Crawling on her belly to be allowed back in. It will NEVER happen. For the first time in her life she is paying for her abuse of others. This bitch just though she was the queen of ghosting. Bitch is being schooled by the real Queen of England.

r135 If that article is even half true then Eugenie sounds incredibly stupid especially with the claim she thinks the Harkles have been incredibly hard done by.

I read that the York girls receive $100,000 a year to keep them onside. Sounds like Charles and the Cambs may want to revisit the value they get for that money. It is possible that the girls have redirected their anger that the family has not "protected" their odious father to Charles and William. Like the Narkles the Yorks do not seem big on self responsibility and accountability. That interview he did was the final nail.

Narcs always have flying monkeys in the family. No one should trust the Yorks either.

Doesn't Jack move in the circles that the Harkes aspire to? The Queen/Charles/WIliam are the ones with the money and power. You would have to be disordered yourself to gravitate to Markle instead.

3h Replying to @BaronessBruck This person spoke to Heat magazine and I’m going with it has Scooby written all over it. Thinking face

Maybe Eugenie feels it’s wise to keep them close?

1h Replying to @BaronessBruck I saw her sickly-sweet Instagram story post about her “DEAR cousins” which was disconcerting lol

Remember when he was using child charities to desperately try and get a knighthood, really showed off his desperation.

Spot on.

The ass kissing continues for People mag.

Likely Sunshine Shite

If the name was to honor Doria why was she not mentioned in the SS press release?

R147, “grandparenting lessons”?!

I’d imagine a LCSW who already raised a child wouldn’t need those.

I’d also bet that it was a hoop Meghan made her mother jump through, in order to be allowed to spend time with Archie. Controlling, always controlling.

R145 - That piece is fantastic and calls the Sussexes out for who they really are.

Does anyone REALLY believe the Queen was flattered, happy, and totes over the moon and has forgotten all about what those two vipers did to her whilst she was spending the last weeks with her husband she would ever have?

They are beneath contempt.

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Beatrice and Eugenie shouldn’t get involved in the feud. They should just enjoy their rich husbands and babies and luxurious lives, and not get embroiled in Meg’s fuckery.

But they probably feel they have nothing to lose when their grandmother dies. And they probably feel that sort of defensiveness one feels when your parents are absolute disgraces.

It is only my opinion, but I do not think the Queen will ever forgive them for disrespecting Prince Phillip's funeral. I never would.

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R145 “Pffht, fuck the Times. Who gives a shit? ” - Meghan, probably. And I bet it turns Harry on.

All of these stories about the new baby being some kind of "bridge" to reconcile with the RF have to be planted by Dim and his Duchess. They must really be desperate.

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[quote]But they probably feel they have nothing to lose when their grandmother dies.

Well they do. Invitation from Buckingham Palace, invitation from Montecito.

Also Montecito will be BYOB.

I guess the "Doria called her Flower" line didn't work, so now there was a DM article about some great-grand-aunt of Meghan's named Lilly that they say they were also honoring.

And they'll just keep cranking out in honour ofs until they get to Lily Langtry.

Funny. The aunt was not mentioned at first but suddenly was remembered when the ridicule came raining down.

She wouldn't have been invited anyway. Unless she was famous.

R162, don't forget the lilies of the valley Meg carried at her wedding, just like Diana did!

I love the shade of that article. Yeah, right, Doria took very expensive gramma lessons so she could bond better with Archie... she was back home in the US just a couple of weeks later. Then the BS that she moved in with them to be the kid's nanny... uh, no. There are photos of her back in her own home doing her own thing.

Meghan certainly made sure her mom is paid well, but Doria has definitely marched to her own drum for a long time. She's the only grandparent around since Meghan has blocked out her own father and the royals like live in another country and have a set schedule of stuff to do.

And Doria is going to make sure those kids are raised right, just like Meghan? Oh my sides, LOL, LOL!

Anyone seen the latest video from Lady Colin Campbell were she accuses Meghan of metaphorically farting in the face of the royal family and the general public!!

Is Harry’s mental health show still going on?

All of the episodes have been posted on Apple TV, along with the follow up Town Hall, R168.

Headline from the Telegraph: Sussexes hit back at Palace suggestion Queen was 'never asked' about Lilibet name / 'Had she not been supportive, they would not have used the name,' says spokesman, after BBC quoted source saying Queen was not asked

Why must everything descend into duelling press releases with these two? In addition to their self interest and cluelessness, you have to add stubborn to the mix. They cannot get anything right because they cannot see anything clearly. They trashed the whole racket and then they expect to plunder their child's name from it and then they expect everyone to swoon with delight over it. It would be funnier if it weren't weighed down by so much enduring refusal to learn [italic]anything[/italic]. You are not nice people. No one likes you except a handful for discards and fringe dwellers as damaged as you. And fortunately for world progress, there's not really that many of them.

I hate this predictive thing Apple's loaded in.. it isn't very smart though it is terribly ambitious, but it ruined the Julia Sugarbakeresque umbrage sweep of handful [italic]of[/italic] discards and fringe dwellers as damaged as you...

Most of their supposed "fans" are paid bots.

r172 That is not a good photo of Meghan.

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A Lily is the whitest flower of all, hence describing something as "lily white". Just like our little "Flower" - a "secret nod to Doria".

Sunshine Saks, can I please come work for you. I could come up with bullshit explanations for all of your clients horrible antics and personalities all day if you pay well enough.

The reviews of The Bench are hilarious. We need more of this frauish, Tig-era Meghan to laugh about.

[Quote]Just like our little "Flower" - a "secret nod to Doria".

Was Doria's use of "Flower" as Meghan's nickname a "secret nod" to the skunk in Bambi? Mostly black, but with stripes of white until Meghan disavowed the black for social and career advancement purposes.

Good post, R177, lol.

So lame, anything to try to prop up the book numbers AND drive their savior PR. NO ONE wants it, even for free, lol.

Do the proceeds from sales of "The Bench" benefit any charities?

It is my understanding that the $ goes to Archewell, which under DE law is only required to donate 5% of funds, R180. So the charity is the Narkles and, I suppose, Sunshine Sucks.

HRH The Duchess of $u$$ex announces her sequel to The Bench: The Belch, the story of a little girl who turned to comfort eating after her dreams went splat.

The Cambs just keep doing the work

Princess Anne is getting on with it as well. This is cool.

This story is more insane than the Narkles themselves. WTAF?!

I was listening to the Pod Save the Queen podcast with Daily Mirror expert Russell Myer, who is very close to the Cambridges and he is usually accurate with his analysis. His co-host, Ann Gripper, an editor for the Mirror has taken the more pro-Meghan stance, especially since it's basically a crime for a white woman to say anything bad about Meghan. With "Lili-gate", everyone has turned on Meghan and the Brits find it deeply offensive. The mood was very somber and anti today.

Meghan is infuriating not just because of her stupid moves, but because her moves are so tone deaf and stupid. I know that bitch has game to climb her way out of Woodland Hills to be an HRH royal. They might not use the titles, but there you go. She obviously must be obsessed with press good or bad because this is the most self destructive woman I have seen. She is overestimating herself if she thinks she can bag another prince. Clearly her luck wasn't great in the US because she specifically went to the UK to find a British aristocrat to marry like she was Cora for Downton Abbey.

Rumors abound, grain of salt, etc.

All that is hilarious, if true, And while I am loathe to defend them, MeMe looked bloated as hell during the Oprah interview. Not sure how she would fake that. Also, don't they have the Invictus documentary in the works? Or was it just "announced" with no work being done on it?

I believe it all but the surrogate and the imminent divorce. Her face looked too fat on Oprah and there is no way she’s gonna gain weight just to look preggers. She’s not done with H. yet. She’ll keep him on her staff at least until Charles is king. There is still the potential for more loot once Harry is the son of the king, not just one of many grandchildren.

Same - I thought the gossip was fabulous until the surrogacy target which makes me questions the legitimacy. Meghan is going to walk into Netflix in Beverly Hills without the bump on? IDK. I can't see Meghan schlepping into Netflix in Beverly Hills or CAA sans bump after the Oprah interview.

I wonder why they wouldn't do the massive bombshell interview on Netflix? That was the huge buzz generator and then discuss it on their Archewell podcast ad nauseam instead of giving the fallout tea for free to fucking Gayle, CBS, and Scobie. The interview, the documentary, and a Lilibet exclusive special would pay for the Netflix deal. That's worth 100M, right?

R177 for the win.

R189 I agree. Both theories are the fevered fantasies of people who can't analyze data.

Meghan needs the BRF badly. She needs to establish herself as the mother of Diana's grandchildren. She isn't yet remotely marketable on her own. They haven't made enough money together yet to make it worth her financial while; she cannot get her hands on anything he had before the marriage except possibly the house if he used trust fund monies for the down payment. And she could never have risked a secret surrogacy let alone with the collusion of two hospitals and the British Head of State and her family.

She may have hidden a couple of c-sections, but that's it.

No suurogacy. No divorce for at least 3 years until she sees which way the Windsor winds are blowing, especially re Harry's title. She's waiting for the Queen to drop dead so her kids can be bona fide HRHs. Especially now after the Queen publicly branded her and Harry as cynical liars.

She still has too many fish to fry before she heads out the door

The puffy face during the Oprah the Deity interview could have been newly injected fillers or fat transfer which take a while to settle. Having that done during a supposed pregnancy would be ideal.

Didn't she post a photo recently of her wearing some tee shirt promoting whatever they were pushing that week and she's standing over Haz while he's sitting at a computer, she didn't look pregnant at all in that photo, tucked in shirt with jeans. The tee shirt was advertising something currently going on, so not an old picture.... Narcs and sociopaths screw up too. Then they RAGE and turn it back on you when you call them on it.

Did she visit some office not wearing the bump? It's possible. She could have been wearing a jacket or coat and thought she could outsmart everyone. This is someone who is so grandiose she thinks she can shake down the centuries old British monarchy and bold face lie about them on national tv. Faking a pregnancy and using a surrogate in Los Angeles, the land of smoke and mirrors where you can't throw a stone without hitting someone whose used a surrogate, seems minor actually compared to her larger endeavors.

Even Beyonce with all her money and advisors screwed up with the collapsible pillow stomach on tv.

Kate and Jill Biden.

R185 Won't bother to read the article, but what earnest intern wrote that mouthful?

R194 Kate looks too thin. Jill looks like a frump.

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Ohhhh I hope the servants at Montecito Grifter HQ went into hiding after those photos of Kate and Jill came out.

R192, then why alienate the family at every turn? Are they genuinely so disordered that her claiming that the family worry @ Philip's health was an attempt to "muzzle her" AND that O1 "had nothing to do with Philip?" They could have rebranded as "new" etc without extortion.

More recently they have tried to promote a fictitious close rx with the Queen while trashing the institution. The Queen has put a stop to that one.

She WANTS those things but HOW are they to get them now? If the rumors of them being dropped from a media deal are TRUE then they are OVER. They have not created content but now are taking 20 weeks "off?" No company sees them as a good return on investment at this point.

R185, you should read it. It’s from MSN “Salon”, which is, I guess, where the woke opinions go. It’s a word salad spewed by a critical race theory social justice women’s studies sophomore.

It’s an OpEd piece.

A fucking reporter asking the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION for Kate.

R200 Well....I'm more interested in that than the ladies' "early years" work.

R192, excellent comment. I agree with all you’ve written, except… sometimes Meghan cannot control her impulses. And she’s impatient.

She might be able to bide her time and behave. But if things are taking too long, she might act out or try to hasten them.

But objectively, the “plan” you’ve laid out is a smart one.

There is SO much out there about Harry being angry and unstable as a child and as an adult, much in his own words. Talk therapy is not the same as DBT or CBT that might help him learn to regulate his emotions. Constantly fixing on and talking about a "target" for his anger, which is likely a neuro genetic trait as it runs in the Spencer family along with unstable mood and personality, has not helped him develop tools for a happy and successful life nor has it accomplished anything but burning the bridges to the family that did love, support and try to protect him. Harry has never been right in the head, from before the divorce and before his mother's death. Tapping and focus on her death does not fix the underlying problems either. Ruminating over trauma and anger does not help to integrate feelings and develop resiliency. Even a 12 step program could help him develop some insight and sense of personal responsibility.

Kate and Jill seem to be getting on like a house on fire.

Harry is a head case and getting worse. Funny how Anne copes with it, she expects to do so, feels fortunate and gets on with life. Harry wallows, is full of self pity and blames everyone for his being a fuck up.

EFFECTIVE help shows results - a happier life with maintained relationships, productive engagement with purpose and people. Not this.

He put so much out there, he was a sitting duck for manipulation anyway but all this, without being, you know, BETTER, was a neon sign for predators.

The Cambridges are able to interact with other human beings and children willingly engage with them. The Harkles use children for narc supply and children shy away from them. Harry knocking the little boys heads together at an event was so disturbing. They looked hurt and he did not even seem to register it - manic or coked up or simply a spath? Or a combo? They are bad news. This is very sweet.

R198 - Why? Because it's her nature, she can't help it. Anyone who wasn't being driven by demons would have seen that the sensible approach would have been a five-year Play Nice Play Ball stint in the BRF, with multiple BP balcony and Remebrance Day appearances, not roiling the waters, two charming children introduced to the British public, endearing oneself to the family and ignoring the press the way Kate has . . . and THEN stating that although they love and respect the Queen and the monarchy and the British public, they feel that with the Cambridge children growing up, they believe they would be happier making their way independently, introducing their children to their mother's American heritage, but always supporting the monarchy in every appropriate way as nonworking royals.

No bitterness, no scandals, no rages - none of that was necessary to their plan.

Except of course that Harry was filled with toxic rage, he's been mentally unstable from childhood, Meghan used that as a tool to snag him, and her own narcissistic issues (remember, her track record with extended families is 0-0) demanded equal time with Kate, nothing but good press, the Palace stepping in at every turn to "protect" her . . .

As Heraclitus said, Character is destiny.

R194, Great photo of the ladies together! How would you like Jill Biden to dress? She is the first lady, a professional woman and a senior. You prefer the former? Trump slut with the implants?

How amazing it would be to be part of the events this evening? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

☝️I hope it is killing the bitch .

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The Bidens

G7 Reception

Prob beats chickens in Montecito.

R209 Oh please. I know you miss Trump, but you don’t have to make everything about him. It’s my opinion; to me “Dr” Jill makes Camilla look stylish. Hell, Camilla IS stylish.

The Queen MUST show them who's boss. NOW. Free Speech is in PERIL!

The Queen was in a jovial mood today. I think she likes getting out and about after isolating for the pandemic.

Agree, R218, and it has been a tough time. She really looks lovely and the dress is a perfect choice for the setting.

Narkle WHO?

Rut Roh

I wish Pa Markle would give an interview where instead he says: You know, I've seen enough. Think I'll pass.

Hhahahaha Thomas Markle is not dead and buried yet. He must like popping up every now and then, scaring the wits out of his daughter.

He has absolutely nothing to lose, unlike everyone else in this soap opera.

She should be worried.

Perhaps Oprah would like to sit down with him to let him tell his truth?

Oprah doesn't have the balls to do that. It could be so epic. But she's a coward. Sad.

She's scared of the BLM/Woke mob.

Sorta like Ali at the end of his life. He would look at his NOI 'Helpers'. Armed Handlers, with such fear in his poor eyes. Even Liston never put such fear in his eyes. Really made me sad.

r224 The apparent lack of public congratulations from Oprah on the birth of the harkles daughter is quite interesting though.As if may be she has decided the two are toxic and not to overassociate beyond the transactional ?

I bet Orca would ask some tough questions if the fattie opposite was father Tom and not Harry's first wife.

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She’s the Queen. She can cut a cake with a sword if she wants to.

She was probably pretending it was Markle’s head on a block of wood.

The Queen looks amazing! I do think getting out and being with her family has given her a glow. She was looking frail the other day, but it was just the dress she was wearing. When she wears something structured like she is today, she looks back to normal. Everyone looks like they are having fun and the Queen was witting with all the leaders for the photo call. Jill should have taken off the trench, but no major offense. It all lovely!

The sword…cuts both ways.

Pics from the mini Trooping of the Colour all over the inter webs today.

She was accompanied by the Duke of Kent who, bless him, wore full uniform and busby, at 85. Temps in the low seventies.

And I complain....

The Queen and the Duke of Kent at the Trooping The Colour today at Windsor.

The Queen loves a good parade. I'm loving the elaborate chair.

Kate wore Diana's bracelet yesterday.

The Queen tapping her feet to the music.

She's sending Morse code to Philip. We all know where he went.

Miserable spaths, just shows anything they said or did otherwise was just chasing $$$.

I bet he does sue the BBC and try to drag in the 95 year old Queen, the grandmother who showed him lots of love.

The Narkles are sick fuckers and anyone does not see through the Sunshine Shite at this point is likely a paid bot or moron.

Australia really hates them.

They experienced the reality of the Narkes first hand after all.

I don’t pay attention to Twitter, so I don’t know: did they get much celeb congrats from their close friends?

I wondered the same r240.

What about David Foster who is "like a father" to Haz?

Lady C today

HARRY vs CROWN/fallout continues/Family & BBC rescue QUEEN/Meghan & H running riot/fabrications

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Is their collapse complete?

Stick a fork in 'em. While it's good that HM is taking off the gloves, it's sad and disgusting that a 95-year old woman who just lost her husband is having to deal with those two trash heaps and their childish antics.

Charles and William should never have gotten her to get rid of Geidt. He seemed to instill fear in the wife.

There were rumors that something big was afoot behind the scenes, guess it was the rollout of a change in PR strategy, kicked off by the Wessexes. Catherine has a big new initiative that the Narkles will surely try to derail.

Will be interesting to see what happens with the York girls, there have been hints of a split alliance with the Narkles.

Will Harry attend the statue unveiling?

The palace PR is far superior to anything they can afford to pay for, unless they are getting help with that bill. The Queen clearly has both public support and that of world leaders, all the thrown mud has really boomeranged.

My guess is more stories, previously "handled" will leak re: the Gruesome Twosome. Anyone else have any speculations?

So it's interesting because they didn't even try to grab some attention during the G7 and it was their worst nightmare: The Queen, Prince of Wales, the Cambridges. The troika that most pushes all their insecure or ignorance based buttons.

Does it mean they have actually put about out and out lies?

Why would The Queen bring down the hammer after a lifetime of polite indifference and looking the other way?

Why would they shut up in the face of it?

You know she's not getting phone calls tonight saying "Granny/Mummy, I've read the most extraordinary thing in the Mail just now..." Does this have the scent of Eau de Point by Point Rebuttal?

R247, I don't think there will be leaks for the time being. A massive shot has just sailed across their bow. They are also being given the chance to sail away quietly. Art of war: always leave your enemy a means of escape. In this instance, the biggest, the most beloved of guns has said be quiet and all will be well - any more porkies and you won't have a clear field anymore. I also wouldn't reckon this facts behind this story came as a surprise in Montecito. One call where the police didn't have to bring the news.

r248 I too was surprised they were so quiet so far during the G7. I wonder if something has happened in the background and they finally realise they have overplayed their hand and are in terms of what they want from their new life thwarted and effectively finished?

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Old man Markle may be a character but he does come across as articulate and sympathetic. Still blows my mind Harry has not met him.

I wonder if he offered to pay money if then they'd let him see the grandchildren.

^What a great idea!!!^