WHET to the Oakdale Yacht Club?

Justina?

As long as we keep that Carly Tenney out, I'm OK with the yacht club.

I don’t know why they made Lisa hate Carly in the later years. She liked her and helped her scheme at first. Lisa really had no business becoming such a prude.

14:10 mark

I would get so excited each spring when the Yacht Club would start appearing again! I miss those days. A lot.

Why does a town in the Midwest have a yacht club and a Scottish castle.

Because the castle was moved from Scotland stone by stone.

Lisa used to plug up the toilet at the yacht club.

Nancy Hughes encouraged the young gays to enjoy anal - it helped keep the teen birthrate low in Oakdale

[quote]Lisa used to plug up the toilet at the yacht club.

She also used to break open the condom machines to steal the Trojans and the quarters

Please FF and block the severely mentally ill loon who talks about clogged toilets. Don't feed the troll.

Soap turds are clean. They have soap!

That troll is the worst thing to happen to soaps since Susan Batten took over the role of Connor Walsh.

According to the Wikipedia write-up below, George Reinholt posed for a nude centerfold in 1975, which contributed to his being fired from Another World.

I'd never heard that before. Anyone know anything more about it?

And more importantly, anyone know where those nude photos are so we can get a gander?

Playgirl started in 1973, so it is possible he posed nude, but his celebrity would have been capitalized on by the magazine, as with Peter Lupus, Jim Brown, George Maharis, Christopher George, Fabian, Don Stroud, all of whom posed full-frontal, or nearly so. I really don't recognize his face as one who was a centerfold. Maybe Viva or Foxy Lady offered it to him.

This page from Soap Opera Digest archive says the Reinholt was fired for appearing in a nude centerfold, thereby violating a scandal clause in his contract. Go to the Another World page in the link below.

That is revisionist history!

In his book, Harding Lemay says Reinholt for fired for causing problems on the set and essentially having temper tantrums on set. Didn't mention any nude centerfold. Lawyers may have used that as further justification for Reinholt's firing, but it was not the reason he was fired.

I think the Wikipedia author has his wires twisted and also, there's no source for that.

Lemay also says in his book Reinholt was fired for disruptions on the set.

I would guess SOD was quoting from the Wiki article and not the other way around, but perhaps the Where Are Your Sources Troll can clear it up for us.

I think the What Are Your Sources Troll is busy researching Viki Sleastak's vacation schedule from 1971 to 2011, but maybe he can take a break from that to fill us in on George Reinholt's nude centerfold.

George had a little one.

meow

The toilet is plugged. Oh for Christ Sakes, was Lisa in there, AGAIN??

Julie, Courtney, Andy and Bianca (a character that should have returned but didn’t ) worked there.

When did they get rid of the Yacht Club set?

Did Pa Hughes ever sunbathe there? Must've given the uneducated housewives and blue haired biddies who watched these P&G shows a cheap thrill to see Santos Ortega shirtless. Did Santos flash his pubes?

Helen Wagner harassed Santos. She flashed her tits at him. Oh the good ole days. Seeing Helen’s tits was when you knew that you made it to the big leagues.

Probably right after Marland's death? Not long after.

I think the Yacht Club became Yo's.

Michael Louden died too young.

And yet YOU'RE still here.

Has anyone changed Fulton’s diapers yet today?

I STILL can't believe Lisa wore WHITE!

Scott DeFrietas was so fucking homely. Would've liked to have seen a Calvin Klein underwear-type model casted as Andy and to grow with the role.

anyway.....

Robert Tyler in all this pecaliciousness with his hair dyed blond would've been perfect as NuHotAndy.

[quote] Remember when Barry Kaufmann and Neal Maffin used to catch rays there?

I can still smell Barry's briefs.....so overstuffed!

[quote] Would've liked to have seen a Calvin Klein underwear-type model casted as Andy and to grow with the role.

R32 when he turned in 1997 he did bulk up and the show had him in many shirtless scenes, showing off his improved muscular physique

Yet Goutman wrote him off in 2001 - and he was never on-contract when he did return in 1997

[quote] casted

There is no such word as casted.

It is CAST

Did Kathy Hays get work done around 2004? Kim started to look “tighter,” but it was good work.

I can vouch for Andy.....he's a REAL man!

Listen toots, it’s about me and my face/neck/brow lifts in 2004.

I find the gay love for this show (and for the P&G shows in general) so ironic, since this is the quintessential middle-class frau soap programmed to appeal to the nosy, fat, conservative, homophobic fraus who organize pot lucks and have scrapbooking rooms whom you all virulently detest.

The P&G soaps appeal to gay men of a certain age because it’s an idealized version of upper middle class WASPs. Bob and Kim , or Mac Cory, or Bert Bauer, were the parents and grandparents you always wanted. You knew they wouldn’t turn their back on their children and would always support them.

They were definitely a romanticized version of Midwestern families.

The execs never ever ever cared about the homos who watched the show. Gay queeny men are not and never will be the target audience for soap operas. The execs laugh at you.

Not necessarily true, r44. Many male HWs and dialogue writers were gay, and you don't think they infused scenes with homoeroticism whenever they could?

Back to my 2004 face, neck, and eyebrow lifts. Stay on task, kiddos!

Interesting that someone mentioned Michael Louden. I remember when he died in 2004 that some news reports stated he died from autoerotic asphyxiation. Wikipedia and IMDB both list his cause of death as a brain aneurysm though. His brother and sister both posted tributes on this website and each used the word “accidental.”

More on CZP vs. Jackie Schultz, please. CZP didn't seem to have a lot of female friends.

R36 I always thought he was cute, but he was definitely a hunk when he came back. And he was always a “fixer upper” which made him even hotter. Idk why TPTB didn’t understand or care how much the fans loved him.

Dumb Dylan broke the news about Days’s renewal at SON. What a moron! He thinks 2012-present is classic Y&R and Chuck Pratt is best ever!

Dumb Dylan is creaming his jeans because Vee negotiated Days’ 2 year renewal.

Vee is in the biz, you know. He is also the expert of everything else, especially politics.

Dylan, the idiot at SON, can’t get enough of today’s must-see mediocre soaps. He loves Days so much that he doesn’t even watch it.

Wut r Dayyz’s streeming nummbers for April Sweeps? Is thier a good plase for me to find them online? lol I love Chadam

Pa Hughes and Papa Bauer were long-term fuck buds. They did it anywhere they'd risk the thrill of getting caught. In the alley behind Mabel's Red Hots, in the garage next to Company, in Lyla's 2x2 dressing room at the Mona Lisa while Lyla shrieked out a tune upstairs. They left a trail of cum and poppers throughout the fictional Midwest.

anyway.....

We desperately need a 5150 on the crazy psychotic poop/SON obsessed troll.

Mitchell Dru was a big ole queen with a crush on Jim Matthews.

Lisa plugged up the toilet, again. Sigh.

We

don't

care

That’s all I got. Lisa shit big ones and plugged up the toilet and Colleen drove drunk X2, that we know of. Wagner was a bitch.

Dolan, on her GL reunion with Miss Locher and Harley Kozak/Michael Woods the other day, called Bryggman "irascible." But she loved working with him and Don Hastings, and learned so much about work ethic. She also said that her favorite person to work with on GL was Peter Simon, even though she admitted he along with Michael O'Leary were terrible pranksters. She said Charita Bauer was a wonderful human being and was surprised by how sharp her sense of humor was.

R61. yawn! Ellen Dolan’s a cunt.

^Why do you say that about Dolan? She seems like a genuinely nice person and down to earth, unlike some of her former co-stars. Have you seen CZP on these reunions? She's like something out of The Great Gatsby.

Linda Dano is 78 today!

Linda Dano always had a very high Q rating among her daypart peers. High, but not the highest. Wink wink.

Linda has to have to an opinion on Colleen’s DUI$s

Linda Dano told everyone how much she luvs big macs look it up queens

Locher had some pictures of Mart Hulswit that almost made him look handsome!

Hulswit is a fat old grampa now with fake choppers.

Was Hulswit's interview worth watching?

Mart was better looking and more energetic than homely, mopey Peter Simon. Marland was the one who wanted Mart gone. Didn't he refer to Mart as a big dork?

Oh god, Lyla's about to sing. Where the fuck are my ear plugs?

Mart Hulswit seemed more virile than Peter Simon from what I’ve seen on You Tube. Peter’s Ed always seemed so milquetoast. I couldn’t imagine women like Holly or Rita being attracted to him .

Did Lyla have Margo as a teenager? It never made sense that she was pregnant with Katie without using a surrogate when Margo was in her mid 30s.

Did Lyla have Margo as a teenager? It never made sense that she was pregnant with Katie without using a surrogate when Margo was in her mid 30s

[...]

I think when they recast Lyla they cast Anne Sward, who was way too young. The original Lyla was like 10 years old.

If I remember right there's only a few years between Anne Sward and any of her onscreen Craigs and Margos.

Oooh, there's Nancy Hughes tossing a sour, vinegary, judgmental look at an obviously freshly fucked Barbara Ryan. Mrs. Hughes does not approve.

nein

Nancy’s pussy stunk. No action down there.

[...]

The Locher Room is having Tricia Cast, Michael Corbett and Jess Walton on May 20. That should be good!

Hasn’t Queen Locher had Queen Corbett on before?

Miss Locher has had Miss Corbett 2x, for a SFT and RH reunion. He's not that interesting, really.

I wasn’t aware Corbett had already been on. I haven’t seen him in years.

When is the Queen Locher interview with Miss Brenda Dickson?

Carly Tenney is a HUMAN ROACH NEST!

OK P&G'ers, is the grandma in the James Corden coffee commercial Maree whatserface aka Stephanie from Search?

vetsoapfan at SON always says TGL and calls the Rick Bauer character Frederick. What a loon!

Queen Locher referred to Rick as "Freddie" during her interview with Mart Hulswit and Fran Myers.

Oh great. Now we'll get to hear how Ed should have been recast with Lee Horsley or some such bullshit.

Perry King would have made a fabulous Ed Bauer.

Bringing Robert Gentry back to play Ed would’ve made more sense, to me, than recasting with Peter Simon. He was written off AW in 1981.

In fairness the show did Mart Hulswit to return the two times Peter Simon left GL - he always declined

I would have filled out Dr. Ed's pants in all the right ways!

Mart would've had no chemistry with the much younger Ellen Dolan or Ellen Parker. Mart was replaced with Peter Simon in the first place because they wanted someone younger looking in the role. Fran Myers seemed like she was great friends with Mart, but also mentioned that she is BFFs with Peter and Courtney Simon. The soap world is so incestuous.

Gary Sandy would've played Ed as a gay for pay hustler who needed the extra cash to fuel his drinking habit. That would've been 100x more interesting that mopey, low-energy, anemic Peter Simon. Replace either of those Ellen creatures who played Maureen with, say, Loni Anderson, and turn Maureen into a sex-starved nympho with a hankering for well-hung bodybuilders, and there you have an exciting sexy Ed/Maureen that would've kept the Bauers, the first family of GL, front and center for years. And the curiosity factor of Gary and Loni working together again would've boosted the show's sagging ratings. Oh what could've been.

Love it, R98! What could have been...

THAT is Mart Hulswit? Yikes! He’s old, his voice is old. He could pass me on the street (if he’s able to walk) and I’d never know it was him. He’s aged badly.

^He was fired from GL exactly 40 years ago. He had to be around 40 then, so he looks pretty good, and is still definitely pretty sharp, for a man of 80. Fran Meyers looked and sounded fantastic. She has some youthful genes.

I much prefer interviews with the pre-Kobe/Long era actors than yet another visit with O'Leary or Aleksander. Lady Locher needs to get people like Lenore Kasdorf, Kathleen Cullen, and Marsha Clark, though Harley Kozak, who is still good friends with Clark, said she would most likely say no.

^what the fuck is Marsha Clark gonna say! Yeah, I’m a dyke and reported everything to Doug Marland and was a beard for John W Shipp. What else is there?

^Maybe she can share some stories about Charita and other vets, what it felt like to be part of Springfield's legacy family, etc.. I love hearing warm stories about the vets, though Fran Myers recounted a funny story about Charita acting quite the diva.

GL made such a big deal about casting Robert Gentry as Ed back in 1997, mentioning they could use old clips of him from the 60s.

But then once Gentry was in the role, they didn't show any old footage of him from the 60s (likely because such footage no longer exists).

Hell, they barely even did anything with the Ed character for the year Gentry was in the role. I never understood why they neglected the character after so much hoopla about casting Gentry.

I never heard why he left the role a year later. Were the writers just not interested in writing for the character? Or was he a problem actor? What was the deal with Robert Gentry?

Dylan from SON is dumber than rocks!!!

Maybe he was still physically struggljng with HIV issues? I know the AIDS cocktail pulled him back from the brink of death in the early 90s.

Was Gentry seriously ill with AIDS in the early 1990s? He left AMC in early 1990 and then quickly joined Generations. If he was so ill, how was he able to handle the pace of a soap schedule? He was great on AMC, and Felicia Minei Behr was a fool for firing him, telling him that he would never have the lead in a storyline ever again.

R105 You brain dead piece of shit - what part of WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FUCKING ENEMIES, YOU DEMENTED CUNT do you not understand?

Go back to SON and complain! Or better yet go to Daytime Royalty. They love drama there

I didn't start watching GL until 1991. Peter Simon's Ed was such a bore, IMO. Cerebral and distant, combined with his diminutive stature, I never understood what any woman saw in him. When Gentry arrived, I was intrigued because I could see a woman like Holly and Rita would see in his version. Gentry's Ed also would have been a great foil for Zaslow's Roger. If these two had tussled, I would actually have sat up and taken notice.

Yet Gentry had no chemistry with anyone on the show. Where he trumped Simon in presence (he had big dick energy and swagger), Gentry just didn't mesh with Rick or Michelle or anyone who was supposed to mean something to Ed. Even now, I recall him in the Bauer kitchen just sort of mumbling his lines while the other actors carried the scenes around him like he was barely there.

I was disappointed, especially after learning Gentry had played the role earlier in the 60s. He certainly looked the part, but the rest never gelled for me.

R109 I was disappointed too - especially after Gentry was such a revelation on AMC. Definite big dick energy there....I wanted Ross so badly when I watched AMC in college! (I kinda wanted to be Natalie.....she got ALL the good dick. Well, some of the old dick too.)

Peter Simon was as boring as Ellen Parker. Dullsville. No wonder the focus group said they wouldn’t care if Maureen was killed off.

Gentry was rather bland as Ed. He was just sort of there like a piece of dead wood. I agree, he had no chemistry with anyone in the show. Very low energy. Not the Robert Gentry I was accustomed to seeing on screen.

Maybe it was indeed the cocktail. It was introduced in 1996, so maybe that was having some affect on his performances and the energy.

That was surprising because he was so good as Phillip Lyons on AW in 1979-81. That's where I really fell for him. He was equally good on AMC, but his Ross turned out to be such a evil character,

Am I recalling correctly that he was abruptly let go from AMC because he was sexually harrassing one of the 20something guys in the AMC cast?

Below is blog republishing a 1981 Afternoon TV interview with Gentry while he was still on AW. Interestingly, he apparently was married (to a female) for seven years in the 70s, according to the story.

Aunt Liz, Gentry was sexually harrassing Robert Duncan McNeil who played Charlie. McNeil was a very sweet straight guy who apparently was very good about rebuffing Gentry’s advances but Gentry apparently crossed the line at some point.

[quote] Am I recalling correctly that he was abruptly let go from AMC because he was sexually harrassing one of the 20something guys in the AMC cast?

For the record Robert Gentry WAS NOT let go - he chose to leave on his own accord. At the time Felicia Behr took over as Producer, and there were transitions happening

She told Gentry he wouldn't have a storyline, but he would "attached" to a storyline. AMAZINGLY what the show had in mind was for Ross was for him to be Natalie new "confidant" - despite Ross going to jail for raping Natalie!

Gentry took some time to think about, and decided to just leave. At that point Kathleen Noone was gone, and his only other family tie was Adam

And Gentry got a second Emmy nomination for AMC - a year after leaving the show.

Gentry had the aids when he was on GL. MADD was mad about it and fired him like that old wizened Zaz.

The 1988 Daytime Emmys are on YT, and they show Gentry and Robert Duncan McNeil sitting next to each other and looking pretty chummy. Did he really harass O'Neil? I had a massive crush on O'Neil when he was on AMC in his teens. He was a cutie. I'm the same age, and he was my imaginary bf.

[quote] For the record

This is when you know you have been touched by the wonder and the grace of the Where Are Your Sources trollina.

It was a case of where Gentry was fired but was told that he could say that he left on his own to save face. It happens all the time.

[quote]Felicia Behr took over as Producer, and there were transitions happening

She has long been famed in the Midwestern Towns as a destroyer of all that is Marvelous.

FMB is about as well loved as JFP

Paul Rauch owns the beloved EP’s thread.

Marcia McCabe’s favorite EP was Chris Goutman.

FMB wasn’t great but I’d say she’s better than JFP.

R123 Disagree. At least JFP had balls.

It's interesting to me that the final EPs on AW, ATWT (both Goutman) and GL (Wheeler) were both former actors.

It makes me wonder if anyone else might have done any better, or whether the ship was sinking and those two might have kept things in better shape than they may have otherwise been?

I often wonder what Grant would have done as an EP.

Ed was supposed to be the more volatile brother. He hated his father, but was just like him. Ed was prone to rages and reckless behavior compared to the more stable Mike. Behind the scenes it was a different story. I'm not sure if Hulswit had a condition or just let himself go in later years.

I guess Peter Simon was playing the more stable and mature Ed.

[quote] It was a case of where Gentry was fired but was told that he could say that he left on his own to save face. It happens all the time.

If he was fired why did the show already pen a long-term story involving his character and Natalie, and move forward with submitting his name for an EMMY nomination later that year?

Robert Duncan McNeil is definitely dadbod material now but he really straddled the line between young buck and twink back in the day!

Notice how nobody from ATWT has anything to say about FMB

FMB got Gillian Spencer to come back when Kim was dying.

FMB is a good producer. She was pretty universally beloved at AMC and ABC and won the show Emmys for best show and writing. She was hired by P&G with a mandate to increase ATWT's sagging demos. Her methods that brought in the demos at AMC just didn't work at ATWT, and she admitted as much. She was also saddled with poor writing. Things got better when Lorraine Broderick took over, but she wasn't allowed to tell the stories she wanted to tell that would involve the vets. The P&G suits shot down or diluted all her story proposals. Eileen Fulton said as much at the time.

Kathy Hays’ 25th anniversary episodes were excellent, however. We got to see Gillian Spencer, there were flashbacks and excellent work by Colleen Zenk, Kathy Hays and Larry Bryggman in particular.

And we got Andy back.

Funny, R132, that was the single moment that came to mind for that era - which I assume was FMB.

[quote] FMB is a good producer. She was pretty universally beloved at AMC and ABC and won the show Emmys for best show and writing. She was hired by P&G with a mandate to increase ATWT's sagging demos. Her methods that brought in the demos at AMC just didn't work at ATWT, and she admitted as much.

During her tenure at AMC, FMB made AMC number one in the female 18-49 demo from late 1990 to 1993 - Then Days supplanted AMC in the female demo

But her work at ATWT was just as impressive. At one point she pushed ATWT to number 3 in the ratings. So she improved overall ratings, story and morale at ATWT. Only thing she didn't do was get those demos up, and she was fired simply because of demos.

Producing ATWT, in particular, after Marland couldn’t have been easy.

You had an older skewing audience that wasn’t attractive to advertisers , combined with a large number of older actors (probably 1/3 of the cast or so) on contract, and if you jettisoned them to free up money to bring the younger actors the network wanted onscreen, you would have a backlash that would have dragged the show’s ratings down.

GL didn’t quite have the same problem, because the vets on that show were mostly discarded in the 80s.

JFP increased demos at all the shows she worked at. She brought OLTL to number 1 in demos and of course moved on to GH which was #1 for years in the demos. Finally she raised Y&R’s ratings and brought that show to its last high in demos and ratings. Y&R has never again achieved the ratings highs that JFP brought to the show.

It's funny. Actors and writers seem to love JFP; the fans, not so much. There's an interview with Slezak on YT in which she gushes over her, saying that JFP has her heart, and going about intelligent and intuitive she is! Harding Lemay said that she is the best producer he ever worked with. The Santa Barbara actors worshipped her. GL actors, with the exception of McKinsey and probably Ellen Parker, loved her. What are these people who've worked with her seeing that the fans don't? I've watched most soaps at one time or another, but oddly enough I don't think it was ever during one of her regimes.

McKinsey didn’t have a problem with JFP. She had a problem with working. McKinsey left Texas because she felt over worked (a show that JFP had nothing to do with) and she left GL for the same reason. To this day, Scott McKinsey is great friends with JFP and they worked together for years at GH. Beverlee had no issue with JFP personally. As for Ellen Parker, Maureen was boring. At least JFP did call her to tell her she was being let go. So many soap stars were not given that courtesy. Lillian Hayman for example. Elaine Princi was told by a stagehand at Days in 1985 that she was being let go. More recently, Will and Sonny from Days read it in a script last year that they were leaving town. The producers didn’t even tell them ahead of time.

I think it was in her exit interview with one of the rags that FMB admitted she had failed at ATWT. She basically said it was an almost impossible task to showcase the vets meaningfully while having the younger characters hog screen time. She said that P&G wanted to minimize the air time of the vets to holiday appearance, etc., particularly Hastings, Hays, and Fulton, and she fought against that. It seems like there was so much more network and sponsor interference than what Marland/Calhoun/Caso had to deal with a decade earlier.

Not to detour this thread, but per r138's post, does anyone really believe Ellen Holly's account that Rauch sent some lackey to the ABC parking garage to tell Lil Hayman that "Mr. Rauch wanted me to let you know that you just worked your last day"? It's really tough to believe her outlandish claims, such as that and the stuff she said about Slezak at OLTL's 15th anniversary party at Tavern on the Green.

R139 To bring that point to JFP, the fans seem to lay everything at her door. The fans think that everything done during a JFP show was all hers and hers alone. No network or higher up interference. It’s a double standard. But in the end, JFP has 11 Emmy awards so she must have done something right.

I think Days, AMC, B&B, and ATWT were the only soaps that JFP never got her hands on during the past 35 years.

There are ways to include the older generation into younger stories. I point to Alice Horton on Days of our Lives. She was intricately involved in every one of her granddaughters storylines, even going under cover a few times on their adventures. They did it on ATWT with Lisa being involved with Carly. On GH with Bobbie being involved with Jessie.

The key is allowing the younger stories to impact the older characters in realistic ways, whether they are taking sides or providing advice and enabling the story.

For instance you use a story about a young person in crisis to bring the older characters together in new ways. On ATWT, Scott Eldridge could have had a daughter that was the embodiment of a young Lisa who was chasing after Chris Hughes that could have put Lisa, Bob, and Kim at odds. That kind of thing.

It seems like JFP felt there was room for only a small number of middle aged characters on her shows, and those characters needed to be so identified with the show, like Viki or Luke, that she couldn’t get rid of them. Her shows were dark , with a lot of crime and misogyny, and there wasn’t room for a character that didn’t fit into that mold. This is the woman who had Eden Capwell raped by her OBGYN on Santa Barbara.

Erika Slezak loved her because she put her back on the front burner and got her away from Clint. The GL actors may have loved her but she initiated a bunch of bonehead moves (letting Beverlee McKinsey and Kimberly Simms go; killing off Maureen; letting Justin Deas eat the show) that definitely helped lead that show down the path to cancellation.

In the case of Beverlee, what was she supposed to do? I think it was pretty clear that Beverlee was tired and wanted out. It happened on JFP's watch, but it could have been any producer.

[quote]It's interesting to me that the final EPs on AW, ATWT (both Goutman) and GL (Wheeler) were both former actors.

[quote]It makes me wonder if anyone else might have done any better, or whether the ship was sinking and those two might have kept things in better shape than they may have otherwise been?

i've said this before and I know it is a controversial position to take on DL. I think the fact that neither Goutman or Wheeler had anyone they had to answer directly to was a GIANT mistake. They both needed someone directly supervising them, signing off on their creative decisions.

Up until late 2005, the person supervising them was Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin. She chose to step down in October 2005, or perhaps she was fired. Either way, P&G did not replace her, thus giving Wheeler and Goutman final say over everything all the creative decisions regarding their respective shows. That was a mistake.

Both Wheeler and Goutman were realitively inexperienced as EPs (especially Wheeler). Both were too close to the show to see the bigger picture of what was working -- couldn't see the forest for the trees. Some one who could step back and see the bigger picture was needed to sign off on the creative portions of the show, offer input and go to bat for the shows with both P&G and CBS.

Perhaps MADD should have stayed on. Or perhaps they should have found someone else to fill her position. Either way, getting rid of MADD and not replacing her was a mistake in the long run.

JFP could have read Beverlee McKinsey’s contract, for starters. Beverlee had indicated she was unhappy with the storyline-she could talked to her about that , and maybe offered her 6 months off to rest .It is possible she would have agreed to those terms with a raise.

[quote] There are ways to include the older generation into younger stories.

During FMB tenure on ATWT she had Helen Wagner working at the free clinic - so that would get her interacting with Dr. Ben, Camille, Denise and Dr. Bob. Plus they highlighted her special relationship Chris Hughes (her grandson)

So FMB tried really hard

But under Goutman, it was hit or miss. For instance in the summer of 2007, Eileen Fulton (Lisa) didn't appear for FOUR MONTHS, the whole summer. That is so strange they would pay Eileen Fulton to just sit at home.

Did Erika Slezak not like working with Clint Ritchie? (Sorry, not trying to derail the thread.)

[quote] Did Erika Slezak not like working with Clint Ritchie?

Clint Ritchie had a serious drinking problem and was drunk most of the time during his run on OLTL. Erika Slezak stopped filming on set only twice, once was when Ritchie was so drunk, he threw a chair at her

But Clint sort of made it up to Erika. One day Erika was complaining about her back, having to wear high heels on the hard concrete studio floor.

Clint's contract was up for renewal, and he wouldn't renew unless the show bough Erika her own chair on the set for her to use.

R150 He was a great actor but alcoholism can be a bitch.

They sat Fulton at home because she kept clogging up the shitter. Goutman said to let her stay home and clog up her own terlet.

[quote] Alcoholism can be a bitch.

And so can Robin Strasser!

Vee refused to allow FMB’s stories to air on ATWT. He’s in the biz, you know.

R153 let’s be honest, most actors: male & female, young & old, community theatre to Oscar winners, can be bitchy to work with.

More please about Helen calling Colleen a common little tramp.

We all remember Nancy giving it a great deal of thought before CBS interrupted with news of Kennedy's shooting.

But I did not know or remember this one....

Someone in the comments was like "why does this shit always happen during ATWT?" LOL

What was Slee more offended by regarding Clint's breath...the smell of whiskey or the scent of Candi Earley?

Was Linda Dano any good on ATWT? She's a very charismatic actress, but she seemed limited in the stuff I've seen her in....AW, her ABC crossover, Days. All personality, with little actual talent to back it up.

I thought I read on the Linda Dano thread that she didn’t get along with Henderson Forsythe

Henderson Forsythe was a prick to Dano. He hated the storyline so he didn’t even try to make it work. Very unprofessional.

Nobody got along with Henderson Forsythe. He was old.

[quote] Was Linda Dano any good on ATWT?

Judge for yourself at clip below - go 53 minutes into video

That Mr. Big stuff was so un ATWT.

Happy birthday to Marie Wallace, apparently

So can we have a list of people that hated CZP? HBS, Helen Wagner, Jackie Schultz, Margaret Reed. Who else?

MARY!

NANCY!

Charita Bauer, Mary Stuart, Helen Wagner, Constance Ford- which P&G matriarch was the biggest cunt? Show your work.

I have a feeling NOBODY outcunted Mary Stuart. Supposedly Charita had a great sense of humor and didn't take herself TOO seriously. Helen, on the other hand, just seemed totally humorless and vinegary, for lack of a better word. Connie could be loud and abrasive, but I don't think she was as cunning and as monstrous as Mary.

Connie was a nasty old cunt! Telling a newbie to “get the fuck out of my light” was just vicious. Even the crew gasped. Mary Stuart was a different kind of cunt. Charita was just lovely. Wicked sense of humor. Charita could swear with the best of them but it was all in good humor. Lovely lovely woman.

Our girl Mary wins that round, R168. At least one and perhaps both children were estranged from her.

Helen was particular about who or what she praised, but she wasn't a cunt. And Connie was loyal and warm, she just didn't suffer fools.

R169 Being the first at something and then seeing others eclipse you can make a person cunty. Mary Stuart was the first star of daytime soaps. Even though other successful soaps came on the scene Mary was THE soap superstar for the first two decades of TV. She was the first daytime performer to be nominated for an Emmy award, not a Daytime Emmy, but a Primetime Emmy in 1962.

R172 I read her bio, she was definitely ahead of her time, but I think her personal relationships suffered for it, and she had her own little clique at SFT, too.

As for the kids, I don't think it was quite a Mommie Dearest scenario, but her son in particular had a hard time with Mom.

I can't find it on Youtube, maybe someone else will have better luck. But check out Mary on Tom Snyder with Agnes Nixon, Joseph Stuart, and there was one other person. She wasn't an outright cunt, but she's great at backhanded shade.

I think part of it was that Mary was the star of a show that Irna Phillips didn't have a hand in. Irna would never have let Mary think she was the show. But Mary WAS Jo and WAS Search.

R175 SEARCH was very much built like many radio soaps, like The Romance of Helen Trent, in that it was built around one central character rather than a family, workplace, or community. GL had started out like that with Rev. Ruthledge, but had moved beyond that by the time it translated to TV. Even Love of Life, which started shortly after SEARCH, was built around two central characters. By the time ATWT and others came around, that style of soap was gone. They were instead built around families, or like GH and The Doctors around a workplace, so that they were ensembles from the start, no character was the main focus.

Oh and if Nelson Aspen and Branco are reading this.........Fuck you!

Charita Bauer & Mary Stuart were TOP BILLED on their shows

Helen Wagner was NOT, even after she was on the show for 25 years

Top billing on ATWT went to Don Hastings.

Nelson Branco is a right winger now

Nellie Branco is was and always will be an idiot. Didn’t he claim (without backup) that Doug Davidson punched him??? GO Doug!!!!!!!!

Nellie left the biz after Dougie punched the hell out of him. Vee, who is still in the biz, confirmed the story.

Nellie’s still a bitter asshole.

No

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R150 what was the other time?

[quote] Helen Wagner was NOT, even after she was on the show for 25 years

I wonder if Don Hastings got that perk when Fulton got the "as Lisa" credit at the end.

Poor Helen. When she was put back on contract in the mid-'80s, she fell near the bottom of the credits, as ATWT did their credits in order of seniority. She was basically credited as if she had just joined the cast. No wonder she always looked so sour.

Rosemary Prince should of got top billing. After all she was basically the star of the show.

I was always obsessed with end credits. ATWT did seniority credits and then at some point (maybe in the 90s) they switched to alphabetical credits, with Don Hastings remaining at the top and Eileen getting the "and". I'm not sure why they switched. The shows who did seniority credits were: (Days, AW, GH, ATWT)

Everyone else did alphabetical credits. Y&R would sometimes do credits where only the actor who appeared in the episode would be credited (similar to what Dark Shadows, Love of Life, LIAMST, Secret Storm, and Where the Heart Is) Both The Doctors and GH had credits where more senior actors got single title cards with the above the line production staff, and of course Days was always "starring Mac Carey" until the 80s when Frances Reid also got special billings. Dee Hall and Wayne Northrup got special billing in the 90s.

Rosemary Prinz, Dana Andrews, and Beverlee McKinsey got main title credit.

Did Zimmer get the "and" credit on GL when she returned to the show in the '90s, or am I dreaming that?

The Doctors credits were a mess. There seemed to be no rhyme or reason to how they were displayed. They weren't alphabetical or by seniority, except for the main stars (Pritchett, Hubbard, Leslie, Bruce, Gordon, O'Brien, Corbett, Campbell, Rowland), or even by contract status.

I think I figured out how The Doctors did their credits R189.

They showed the main cast with single title cards and then everyone else was shown in this order... The people in that day's episode ( in the order in which they appeared that day) were at the top of the cast crawl and then everyone else was added after them.

[quote] Did Zimmer get the "and" credit on GL when she returned to the show in the '90s, or am I dreaming that?

When Zimmer renewed her contract in 1986, she negotiated the "and" credit

When she returned in 1995, for whatever reason either Zimmer or the show was no longer interested in getting the "and" credit.

Actors getting the "and" credit

Denise Alexander (Another World)

Kim Hunter (Edge of Night)

& think Jane Powell (Loving) and Marisa Pavan (Ryan's Hope) - though I could be wrong with those two

And I think Mandel Kramer got the "and" credit on Edge of Night for many years, before Kim Hunter joined the show

Donald May got the "and" credit. Mandall Kramer's billing was odd, because everything I've seen, I think he's either second after Ann Flood or third after Flood and Compton.

R193 thanks I knew it was a male actor on Edge of Night who got the "and" credit, but couldn't remember who it was.

Drama!

I had forgotten that Zimmer got the AND credit in the late 80s. Had to go check out some old credits on YouTube to confirm she had it. Sure enough, there it was.

That's got to be pretty heady to be able to negotiate the AND credit on your very first contract renewal. Especially for someone so young. I mean, she was only 31 years old when she was renewing her contract. Most people have to be with a show a bit longer and be a bit older to be able to pull off such a distinction.

Zimmer tells the story of how kind McKinsey was to her, but also how she ribbed her when she was going up on her lines ("Let's give this girl another Emmy!")

One of the more poignant things I remember reading was in a Zimmer interview somewhere toward the end of GL's run. She said Beverlee used to have a look in her eyes that was a little bit appreciation, a bit pride and a bit of pain watching Kim and other younger actors performing. Kim got to the end of GL and saw all the young girls around her and was like, oh, I get it now. The parade has passed you by, and you're sad to see it go.

R196 she had won the Emmy and was front burner her entire first contract - clearly she had leverage to negotiate special billing. But she also negotiated bigger "out" clauses for TV movies and pilot season after her contract expired in 1986

In 1987 she exercised that "out" clause to get six weeks off for pilot season, and the show promptly wrote her into a coma. And in her second contract she landed guest spots on McGyver. Plus she expanded her profile getting on Hollywood Squares and Circus of the Stars

It was only when she extended her second contract an additional 9 months, she got a Designing Women guest spot and the TV movie "Trenchcoat in Paradise"

What I wouldn’t give to find on YouTube the David Susskind Show from around 1982 which included Victoria Wyndham, Robin Strasser, Mary Stuart and Eileen Fulton.

I wish we had the Donahue when Bev was on it. I think she references it in that sit down interview she did with the Canadian talk show host.

I just wish that Wyndham would have written a book. But I think that Wyndham and McKinsey were cut from the same cloth and were able to just leave work behind them when they left the studio.

I also wish that Paul Rauch would have written one.

R201 I think you are right. Both of them were about doing good work, but both had children at home and a life outside the studio.

Still can't believe Doug Hutchinson was on GL.

This thread is awfully quiet. Has Muriel had her way with it?

I hope not. But you never know. We did make it to 205.

Laura Wright reflects on her career in daytime in this interview.

Talks about decision to leave GL and move to GH. Apparently GL wouldn't meet any of her contract demands which made the choice to go to GH easy for her.

And nice bit in there about Wheeler, who is (or was) human on occasions.

Ellen Wheeler HUNG UP on Laura Wright - when Wright told her she was going to General Hospital

And then CALLED her back.

[quote] And then CALLED her back.

Three Hours Later

Yes. And?

I bet she cried a lot.

A question on another thread made me think of one to ask fellow P&Gers. Yes, even you, Where Are Your Sources Troll.

I seem to remember Vincent Irizarry was described as an actor who was originally intended for just a few episodes, but they signed him to a contact after a few days.

But his character's name was Lujack, which means they must have known he was going to be a Luvonaczek.

So was he ever a short term hire? Did they reshoot his scenes with a new name after they hired him?

And how did casting thing that Beverlee and whatever old white guy they hired for Eric would give birth to....Vince I, who looks like the Guido'est Guido who ever Guido'd?

I think Irizarry is a hispanic name, though?

[quote] But his character's name was Lujack, which means they must have known he was going to be a Luvonaczek.

when they decided to expand the character of Lujack, they just came up with the surname Luvonaczek on the spot, when they decided to expand the character

OK, I thought the last name and/or character of Brandon had been developed before.

Have we been....well, you know