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Why are millions saying “No” to the Covid vaccine?

They (mostly) aren’t anti-vaxxers, but Covid-denialists.

Personally, I think they all deserve to get Covid and die. They’re a threat to public health and to the future of our nation. I don’t give a shit about any of them.

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by Anonymousreply 40110 hours ago

Shame and ostracize them as threats to the rest of us.

by Anonymousreply 105/03/2021

because they are ignorant cunts

by Anonymousreply 205/03/2021

I just read that 95% of those that get it have immunity for 8 months -- something the vaccines *HOPES* to mimic. That's why I'm not going to lose sleep over it anymore, as long as we properly vaccinate the willing and the vulnerable. Even mutations are a mute point when that's already happening in other countries. We didn't do enough right away and this is the result.

"The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection. The results provide hope that people receiving SARS-CoV-2 vaccines will develop similar lasting immune memories after vaccination"

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by Anonymousreply 305/03/2021

[quote]mute point

What?

by Anonymousreply 405/03/2021

I think it's selfishly thinking about themselves only and wouldn't care that it is for the common good.

by Anonymousreply 505/03/2021

R4 yes i see, "moot point". Time to trash this old phone for its bizarre, incorrect autocorrecting. I recieved it second hand recently and it's driving me insane.

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by Anonymousreply 605/03/2021

Stupidity, plain and simple

by Anonymousreply 705/03/2021

I understood what you meant, r6, anyone that doesn’t is just being obtuse.

by Anonymousreply 805/03/2021

A lot of them are Christians

by Anonymousreply 905/03/2021

Because they are the center of their own little universes

by Anonymousreply 1005/03/2021

I'm tired of them. Let them stay home and order in.

You know it's going to come to that before the year is out as private establishments figure out keeping non vaccinated people out is better for business.

by Anonymousreply 1105/03/2021

If you get the vaccine they are not threat to you.

Their body, their choice.

by Anonymousreply 1205/03/2021

Sure they still pose a threat. Vaccinated people can still get infected. They just don't fall sick as seriously.

by Anonymousreply 1305/03/2021

R12, this is where you are wrong. We need 80% of the population vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. Until we get there, the virus will continue to mutate into strains that the vaccine may not be able to protect us from. People who refuse to get vaccinated are going to continue to hinder efforts to wipe out the virus.

Your body, your choice, but you may still be responsible for causing more deaths.

by Anonymousreply 1405/03/2021

I just read an article this morning that stated we will not reach herd immunity. They state the virus will be with us for years and people will get sick and some die, but in smaller numbers. It is not all doom and gloom as they see us getting back to normal.

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by Anonymousreply 1505/03/2021

R3, whatever you "read," people who reach immunity by getting covid do so at considerable risk of falling sick, losing weeks or even months of work, and even dying, not to mention passing the virus on to others and all the while functioning as petr dishes for variants.

So sick and tired of these denialist types glibly cherry-picking facts when lives are at stake.

by Anonymousreply 1605/03/2021

I hope the threat can be minimized by continuing vaccine development - to combat whatever variants arise due to the disease continuing to spread and mutate.

Then, the ones who don't want to be vaccinated can get their immunity from the disease itself - and the rest of us can keep up with our vaccinations (maybe repeated every 8 months or whatever the scientists decide is best - sort of the way that every year a lot of us take flu shots in October, each year a different version that they try to match to whichever flu variants are around that year)

I agree with those who want everyone vaccinated and the disease wiped out, like polio was, but you can't force people to get a shot in their arms - and I'm not sure I'm ok with that kind of dystopian world anyway. I'm all for vaccines but it's true it's new and they 'may' be bad side effects that develop down the road... who am I to declare there cannot be any such thing?

by Anonymousreply 1705/03/2021

*THERE may be bad side effects...

And can we really get 6 billion people vaccinated?

by Anonymousreply 1805/03/2021

[quote]I agree with those who want everyone vaccinated and the disease wiped out, like polio was, but you can't force people to get a shot in their arms - and I'm not sure I'm ok with that kind of dystopian world anyway.

So you'd rather put up with COVID outbreaks for the next 5-10 years. Noted.

[quote]I'm all for vaccines but it's true it's new and they 'may' be bad side effects that develop down the road... who am I to declare there cannot be any such thing?

We keep coming back to the same stupid fucking motivation here - [bold]IT'S ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE[/bold].

by Anonymousreply 1905/03/2021

From the ones I know, it’s not that they are anti vaccine, it’s a distrust of how quickly the vaccine was created and a lack of long term side effects study, but these same people get the flu shot yearly so they are not anti vaccine.

I cannot fault people for being apprehensive when we still cannot cure or effectively treat the common cold, my problem with them is that they won’t get vaccinated and carry on like normal. If you don’t want to get vaccinated than fine, at least stay home away from others.

by Anonymousreply 2005/03/2021

The sooner airlines do not allow the unvaccinated to fly or stores and restaurants deny them entry, the better.

by Anonymousreply 2105/03/2021

You know why we haven't cured the common cold R20? There are many illnesses that we have not cured and it is because of two factors, 1) finding cures is expensive and 2) if it is not life threatening there is no need to find a cure. The more applicable analogy would be to AIDS R20.

by Anonymousreply 2205/03/2021

I got mine and my elder gay got his so, yes IT'S ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEEE! If you don't get it, then fuck you and die. It's tribal now so get used to it, this is the breaking up of the country.

by Anonymousreply 2305/03/2021

When the president of the United States and the majority of the Republican party--the one that's supposed to stand for sensible reasonable public policy--is telling you that Covid is a hoax and vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they're supposed to protect you from, people are going to believe them.

If you're one of those Democrats who sit out elections, especially the non-presidential ones, because you can't be bothered to keep up with local politics or the candidates aren't up to your personal standards, you're enabling this. Because the Republicans are out there voting for the school board and millages and judges and state reps etc. who you think are so unimportant, and that's how they build up this fascist infrastructure that puts people like Trump and Mitch McConnell and Marjorie Taylor Greene in power. But look what happens when Democrats stop sucking their thumbs and get out and organize and canvass and vote. Look at what Stacey Abrams did in Georgia last year. This is what you can do.

by Anonymousreply 2405/03/2021

Lots of racists on this thread. Why don't you educate yourself, OP, R1, and R2.

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by Anonymousreply 2505/03/2021

This is stupid, but I would totally be in favor of paying people to take it. You get the vaccine, you get a $100 gift card from Target or Ralphs or Best Buy or Amazon. Upon completion of your second shot, they hand you the gift card.

by Anonymousreply 2605/03/2021

[quote] I agree with those who want everyone vaccinated and the disease wiped out, like polio was, but you can't force people to get a shot in their arms - and I'm not sure I'm ok with that kind of dystopian world anyway.

I think you might be confused about what the word “dystopian” means.

by Anonymousreply 2705/03/2021

Agreed that we should start paying people to take it. It’s America for fucks sake. We throw money at all our problems and money rules our society.

People who didn’t take covid seriously in the first place aren’t going to be convinced to take the vaccine by liberal Northeast doctors going on TV and lecturing them about how they need to get the vaccine for the good of society. The CDC being overly cautious about reopening guidelines isn’t helping either. Why get the vaccine if your life isn’t going to change once you’ve gotten it? It’s high time to start relaxing restrictions and start showing a more normal life.

by Anonymousreply 2805/03/2021

Because they are willfully ignorant. That's why. I know several people who are right-leaning, Fox-watching supporters of that racist, sexist, irresponsible imbecile who used to be in the White House, who would only get the J&J vaccine, because that Bulshit Factory promoted some crazy idea about the two-dose fax.

Now, liked-minded morons refuse to get the shot because they're taking a stand for individual liberty, against government-mandated suggestions, believe in conspiracy theories about the vaccine, or any such asinine reasons you can think of.

Morons -- that's what they are -- Morons who take for Gospel truth anything that Bullshit Factory peddles.

by Anonymousreply 2905/03/2021

Counterfeit vaccination cards are going to be problematic.

by Anonymousreply 3005/03/2021

No, honey. It's you Chinese who deserve to die in the most horrible way possible.

by Anonymousreply 3105/03/2021

One of the cashiers at the nearby Kroger told me about half the employees were hesitant about getting the vaccine. That was until Kroger started giving employees $100 to do so. So a payment will work with some of the ones who are on the fence.

by Anonymousreply 3205/03/2021

The main reason there's no vaccine for "common cold" is because "common cold" is a generic term for any upper-respiratory viral illness that involves a runny nose, sneezing, and fever. In reality, there are at least a half-dozen different viruses that cause those symptoms.

On the other hand, it's kind of a lie that "curing cold" is "hopeless", especially if you lower the bar slightly & settle for something like "prevent 60-85% of infections, and cure 97% of the remainder within hours of taking the first dose of an antiviral med upon the first sign of infection".

The majority of "colds" are caused by just a few viruses... RSV is a major one that accounts for up to HALF of colds. It gets zero attention, because almost nobody older than an infant or younger than a 100 year old with cancer & AIDS dies from it. Prevent RSV, and you eliminate 30-60% of "colds". Ditto, for adenovirus infections. Vaccinate for them (or make Ribavirin readily available OTC), and you can knock out another 10-25% of colds.

The REAL problem with an effective "cold" vaccine is that an effective one would almost certainly GIVE you cold-like symptoms for 2-3 days after each shot. The things we complain about aren't actually the virus itself, they're our bodies' immune reaction TO the virus. Trigger a robust immune reaction to a fake cold with vaccine, and you're basically giving someone a "fake cold" with REAL symptoms.

That's the real reason why influenza vaccine is so useless at preventing infections, even though it demonstrably reduces overall total mortality. Each year's vaccine only includes 4 (formerly, 3) strains... chosen primarily by risk of lethality to vulnerable people, and NOT "likelihood of giving YOU a 5-7 day "nuisance" flu". They could include more strains... but more strains means a stronger, longer bout of "flu-like symptoms" after vaccination.

At some point, you'd be making people sick for days with a "fake flu" in exchange for a reduced (but nonzero, or even non-low) likelihood of a REAL one that's only marginally worse for most people than the vaccine itself.

IMHO, the real solution to "nuisance" ailments is OTC antiviral meds (or, since most of the time you can't tell what you actually have, cocktails of several, to hit everything likely) taken for a few days at the first sign of infection, or prophylactically when everyone around you is sick. Vaccines work best for things that are rare, deadly, and produce long-lasting immunity. Go overboard, and you'd just be trading a week of planned illness & misery for random infection the rest of the year.

by Anonymousreply 3305/03/2021

Look. Make vaccination a condition of employment, attending school, public events, etc..

by Anonymousreply 3405/03/2021

[quote]I'm not sure I'm ok with that kind of dystopian world anyway

So now it's "dystopian" to require basic health care for people who want to circulate with other people in society? I spent my childhood (and through grad school) getting shots for everything from polio to tetanus—let alone contagious illnesses. A world with such basic requirements (before you get to attend school, go on a plane trip, train trip, join a work crew or get an office job, etc.) is closer to a Utopia than a dystopia.

by Anonymousreply 3505/03/2021

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis kept signed a bill into law TODAY that FORBIDS businesses, schools and government entities across Florida from asking anyone to provide proof of a COVID-19 vaccination.

by Anonymousreply 3605/03/2021

Here's looking at the next Republican nominee for President.

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by Anonymousreply 3705/03/2021

A large percentage of human beings are selfish assholes.

by Anonymousreply 3805/03/2021

[quote] From the ones I know, it’s not that they are anti vaccine, it’s a distrust of how quickly the vaccine was created and a lack of long term side effects study,

Oh, this old trope again?

I cannot fault people for being apprehensive when we still cannot cure or effectively treat the common cold,

Then you’re an idiot.

[quote]If you don’t want to get vaccinated than fine,

Yup. An idiot.

by Anonymousreply 3905/03/2021

cunts, ignorant fucking cunts

by Anonymousreply 4005/03/2021

[quote]Because they are willfully ignorant.

Why is it ignorant to be skeptical of Big Pharma and of a vaccine that does not yet have full FDA approval?

by Anonymousreply 4105/03/2021

I trust science and I don't think it's that wild to take a leap of faith. I didn't care if this vaccine was going to bring on the zombie apocalypse or cause me to grow another head, I was going to be first in line to get a shot (and I was) because growing another head is better than world lockdown and not being able to see my parents or, shocking, getting Covid.

by Anonymousreply 4205/03/2021

Doesn't matter. Let the virus sort it out. The gene pool is in need of cleaning anyway.

by Anonymousreply 4305/03/2021

[quote] I was going to be first in line to get a shot (and I was) because growing another head is better than world lockdown and not being able to see my parents or, shocking, getting Covid.

Amen, brother.

I was sabotaging people’s wheelchairs to skip ahead in the line. “Oh, sorry, Pops, you can’t go next? No problem, I’ll take it.”

Lol.

by Anonymousreply 4405/03/2021

When I’m fully vaxxed, and I contract COVID, I can still drop dead from it, yes?

by Anonymousreply 4505/03/2021

Who cares if people don’t get the vaccine? That’s their problem if they get sick.

by Anonymousreply 4605/03/2021

R19, I'm the one you're talking to... I have already had both Pfizer doses and whenever the booster(s) come, I'll get it as quickly as I can run.

However, imagine a country where swat teams are going to houses of antivaxxers and using AR15s to force the people out to get their shots -- or in this country, it would probably be a gun battle at many of the homes because we have more guns than people.

Do you want to go that far? Is that safer than having an endemic new virus, which an expert in England this past week said it's likely to be - Specter or somebody like that.

What I think we should do is have concerts, airlines, even restaurants, require proof of vaccine to use their facilities - that's a step short of a gestapo pulling people out of their homes - or gun battles at antivaxxers trailers...

Anyway, carry on, since this is about YOUUUU. Maybe you'd rather have the gun battles.

by Anonymousreply 4705/03/2021

You can lead a fool to science, but you can't make him think.

by Anonymousreply 4805/03/2021

R12, if they get Covid they can spread it to others.

So, no, it's not "Their body, their choice"

by Anonymousreply 4905/03/2021

I think R46, the non-vaxxed can still infect the vaxxed and the outcome could still possibly be bad.

by Anonymousreply 5005/03/2021

R47, what world are you living in where you think SWAT teams are going to go door to door forcing people to get vaccinated?

by Anonymousreply 5105/03/2021

"When I’m fully vaxxed, and I contract COVID, I can still drop dead from it, yes?"

Extremely unlikely. The studies I've seen quoted said you have a 100% chance of not dying from Covid if you're fully vaccinated (and two weeks have passed since your last dose.)

However, there are several who have died because of having the vaccine, so in an infinitesimal percentage, yes, you can drop dead from having the vaccine - even if you never get covid. (that blood clot thing - which they think may be because people giving injections no longer draw the syringe back a bit to make sure there's no blood return - the thinking is that if the vaccine gets in the bloodstream, that's the only way the blood clots happen - if they go in the muscle, as they're designed to, and almost always do, then no chance of the clots)

by Anonymousreply 5205/03/2021

How will DeSantis's nonsense affect Florida tourism? I live in the Northeast and vacationed in Florida just before the pandemic started; I'd love to do it again (maybe see the Atlantic side this time; I was mostly on the Gulf side then), but I'm not going to vacation in a place where BY LAW I'll have to be mingling with unvaccinated people.

What happened to the old spirit of pulling together to conquer a problem, like in the Depression or WWII?

by Anonymousreply 5305/03/2021

To R46, because we all pay for it, rise in medical ins. plus they can still give it to us, even if vaxed.

by Anonymousreply 5405/03/2021

R50 But there’s nothing we can do about it so why waste time getting upset over it? All we can do is make sure we’re vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 5505/03/2021

[quote] However, imagine a country where swat teams are going to houses of antivaxxers and using AR15s to force the people out to get their shots

MARY!

[quote]What I think we should do is have concerts, airlines, even restaurants, require proof of vaccine to use their facilities

And that's what *we're talking about*. SHEESH.

by Anonymousreply 5605/03/2021

Vaccine hesitancy was the topic of last night's Last Week with John Oliver . . .

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by Anonymousreply 5705/03/2021

R54 But you can’t force people to do something they don’t want to do with their body. And no I’m not an anti-vaxxer - in fact I’m fully vaccinated. I just don’t agree with forcing people to get vaccines they don’t want.

by Anonymousreply 5805/03/2021

If that orange cretin loser currently squatting in Florida would encourage his deplorable supporters to get vaccinated --- like he and his family did --- we would very likely reach a 80% vaccination rate.

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by Anonymousreply 5905/03/2021

"because we all pay for it, rise in medical ins"

This is a non-starter, it also goes for every disease and condition people get.

by Anonymousreply 6005/03/2021

Not every disease and condition is contagious

by Anonymousreply 6105/03/2021

If they can't require these people to get vaccinated, then they should essentially be required to submit to COVID testing before doing any activity where they come into contact with the public at large (e.g., schools/universities, airplanes, concerts, weddings or events in public spaces, etc.). Maybe they will eventually get tired of having to have a large swab inserted into their nose before doing anything fun and they'll eventually relent to the vaccination.

by Anonymousreply 6205/03/2021

I cannot tell you how much I wish that Covid had been a more effective killer, and just wiped out humanity altogether. We need a good extinction level event, but I would like the animals to survive.

Even Captain Trips left too many survivors, we need something more efficient than that. If it can't kill everyone, it should sterilize the survivors.

by Anonymousreply 6305/03/2021

Not De Santis. No. the next GOP POTUS nominee will be a battle between Fatso and Hannity.

by Anonymousreply 6405/03/2021

Under the law can you force people to take a medicine that does not have FDA approval yet? I doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 6505/03/2021

[quote]You can lead a fool to science, but you can't make him think.

That's a fine lack of self-awareness you've got going there, Bucko.

by Anonymousreply 6605/03/2021

My cousin says he's not getting the vaccine because according to him, Covid will just go away eventually. He works in a factory and his elderly parents live with him. His sister had to take them for their shots because he refused to take them himself.

by Anonymousreply 6705/03/2021

I knew this thread wold turn into a feeding frenzy of vaccine nazis and those who are ok with questioning big pharma.

For all the rabid posters foaming at the mouth about how everyone must have the vaccine for the greater good, do you actually understand that fully vaccinated people can get very sick with COVID and can spread it, so the vaccine will not magically protect you. Don’t assume that this version of the vaccine will eradicate COVID.

I sadly know individuals that did everything right and still got very sick and spread COVID. I wish the media would be honest in reporting this so that people stop letting their guard down. The vaccine will help with mutations and possibly severe COVID cases resulting in death but it does not cure, curtail or return things to normal. People need to stop associating the vaccine with a return to normal.

You still need to wear a mask and social distance to truly prevent the virus from taking hold again.

And guess what, it’s perfectly acceptable to question big pharma. They have a major interest in this and have immunity from legal consequences. These are same companies marketing cancer drugs to kids to delay puberty. Big pharma is not your friend.

by Anonymousreply 6805/03/2021

[quote]I sadly know individuals that did everything right and still got very sick and spread COVID. I

Then they clearly did not do everything right.

by Anonymousreply 6905/03/2021

R68 is full of it. Calling people "Nazis" because they aren't anti-vaxxer wing nuts. Hon, the real Nazis are on your side. Remember Camp Auschwitz?

by Anonymousreply 7005/03/2021

[quote]I knew this thread wold turn into a feeding frenzy of vaccine nazis and those who are ok with questioning big pharma.

Aka "people who understand science"? Just so we know what side you're on.

I don't want to put non-vaccinated people in camps; I want them to stay the fuck away from the rest of us. Last time I checked "freedom to infect" isn't written into the US constitution.

by Anonymousreply 7105/03/2021

[quote]For all the rabid posters foaming at the mouth about how everyone must have the vaccine for the greater good, do you actually understand that fully vaccinated people can get very sick with COVID and can spread it, so the vaccine will not magically protect you.

Again, thanks for confirming you know fuck-all about how infectious diseases work.

by Anonymousreply 7205/03/2021

I'm not sure I understand Scalise's motives here.

"Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) told the Baton Rouge Advocate that he hasn’t been vaccinated yet."

"Said Scalise: “I just have to find a time that works. I could get it at the Capitol. But I would rather do it here in Louisiana as a formal event.”

Note: It would take Scalise about 10 minutes to get vaccinated at the Capitol, where lawmakers have been receiving vaccines for five months now.

by Anonymousreply 7305/03/2021

R72 And you do because you saw it on the news in your mother’s basement, yeah keep those rose colored glasses on.

by Anonymousreply 7405/03/2021

R41, it's ignorant because there is unanimity in the scientific and medical communities that the vaccine is effective and safe.

by Anonymousreply 7505/03/2021

R68 is deeply confused, as well as an enabler of Godwin's Law.

by Anonymousreply 7605/03/2021

R25’s article lost me at ‘Latinx’

by Anonymousreply 7705/03/2021

Let. Them. Die.

by Anonymousreply 7805/03/2021

[quote]you can't force people to get a shot in their arms - and I'm not sure I'm ok with that kind of dystopian world anyway

You kind of give yourself away with this, saying that people being required to get vaccines is "dystopian."

by Anonymousreply 7905/03/2021

r74, they're an anti-trans-troll trying who deliberately brings it up in every thread. That whole anti-trans thing has a lot of people spouting conspiracy theories about Big Pharma and Jewish leaders.

by Anonymousreply 8005/03/2021

[quote]I sadly know individuals that did everything right and still got very sick and spread COVID

I believe this. There is always someone who is saying that if you do everything right you won't get COVID, but people who wore masks and took precautions but still had to work or be around the public could easily have gotten it despite everything they did. It's very contagious which is a big part of why it's so dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 8105/03/2021

R81, of course R68 is correct in saying that; it's the conclusions they draw from it that reveal their profound ignorance and/or trollery.

by Anonymousreply 8205/03/2021

If one takes the payment route, pay the people who have been vaccinated first.

by Anonymousreply 8305/03/2021

Not sure it's exactly on topic, but this scares the shit out of me - think I'll stay in till I croak (and I'm not even Asian). I mean, I'm vaccinated, but hell is not covid - it's other people:

Twitter May 3 CeFaan Kim @CeFaanKim Last night around 830pm a 34-year-old Asian woman was walking along 42nd St near 9th Ave when a woman approached her telling her to take her mask off. The suspect then struck her in the head with a hammer causing a laceration. Victim is stable, rushed to the hospital.'

@terrimaki1 Replying to @CeFaanKim Who walks around with a hammer in their purse?? Oh yea, a person that watches FOX/Tucker.

by Anonymousreply 8405/03/2021

[quote]Who walks around with a hammer in their purse?? Oh yea, a person that watches FOX/Tucker.

The majority of crime against Asians is done by black men. I didn't know they were Tucker's audience.

by Anonymousreply 8505/03/2021

Up until now R41, I could concede your point. It hasn’t been FDA “approved”, and I won’t lie and say I would have signed up for a trial. I wouldn’t have.

We are almost six months out of mass vaccinations. If there were going to be massive, immediate, adverse reactions, they would have happened by now.

Looking at Wiki (I know), unsuccessful vaccine trials rarely have wide scale side affects. They just didn’t work. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work, but no harm, no foul. It doesn’t appear that getting the vaccine is worse than not getting it (and it appears it is better).

I’m done with worrying about what others will do. I got both shots, and I want to live my life. If others who didn’t get theirs get it, it is on them.

by Anonymousreply 8605/03/2021

Not arguing your main point R85 - but what about the Karens who spit in other shoppers' faces? And that southern school that fires any teacher who gets a vaccine? I imagine there are a few rednecks ready to follow Tucker's advice to harrass.

I think Fox is having its effect on another demographic too (besides black men)

by Anonymousreply 8705/03/2021

[quote]but what about the Karens who spit in other shoppers' faces?

Oh please.

There are thousands of people shot every year in our urban centers. But of course what you care about are the "Karens". Gimme a break.

by Anonymousreply 8805/03/2021

[quote]Up until now [R41], I could concede your point. It hasn’t been FDA “approved”, and I won’t lie and say I would have signed up for a trial. I wouldn’t have.

Then leave people alone who prefer not to take an experimental drug.

by Anonymousreply 8905/03/2021

R66, I think Dorothy Parker would kindly tell you to go fuck yourself.

by Anonymousreply 9005/03/2021

> I cannot fault people for being apprehensive when we still cannot cure or effectively treat the common cold,

Actually, more than 15 years ago, a biotech company DID develop a broad-spectrum antiviral capable of stopping a nascent "cold" infection dead in its tracks (google: "Pleconaril").

The FDA has never been publicly-forthcoming about its reasons for refusing to approve it, but I know someone who worked for the company that was trying to get it approved. He said Pleconaril is similar to Thalidomide... harmless (and useful) to adults, but lethal to developing fetuses.

Apparently, the FDA wasn't happy about that in the first place, but was willing to semi-humor the company's drug trial, as long as any women of childbearing age be on hormonal birth control as a condition of taking it (same as Acutane). Apparently, it caused two women in the trial to experience birth control failure and become pregnant, necessitating abortions (because otherwise, the babies would have been born with horrific birth defects).

As far as the FDA was concerned, that was a catastrophic failure. NOBODY at the FDA during a Republican (Bush) administration, and Republican majorities in the House of Representatives and the Senate, wanted to risk their career over approving a drug that put women into a position of having to choose between abortion and horrific birth defects.

Apparently, the FDA further decided it couldn't be approved for men only because, like many drugs, its active metabolites are detectable in semen (and saliva, and tears, and other bodily fluids). Their logic was that a woman who was unknowingly a few weeks pregnant could be indirectly exposed to it by having unprotected sex with a man who'd taken it to cure a cold a few days earlier.

This is the same reason the FDA requires warnings on Ribavirin that make it sound like the devil's poison, to be used only for the most life-threatening conditions, even though it has no meaningful side effects to speak of... at least, if you're male, or a woman who isn't pregnant. Except Ribavirin's active metabolites last even longer than Pleconaril's.

But anyway, the fact is, broad-spectrum antivirals capable of knocking out colds (and probably a host of other viral infections as well) with tame side-effect profiles (at least, if you're a man, or a woman who isn't pregnant) DO exist. The FDA just won't let us have them because it's more concerned about women being forced to have abortions if they're directly or indirectly exposed to those drugs' metabolites.

Every few months, I cross my fingers when I read about another trial to get Pleconaril approved for SOMETHING, because once the FDA approves it for SOMETHING, a doctor can prescribe it for anything he feels is appropriate. Which apparently is part of the reason the FDA keeps shooting down attempts to get it approved for other conditions, and now basically warns anyone trying to register a trial involving it that they're wasting their money, and the drug won't be approved unless it's conclusively shown to be a spectacularly-effective drug against some deadly condition (ie, if someone sponsors a trial that demonstrates it effectively cures acne in teenagers, the FDA will shoot it down yet again... but if it effectively treats something like pancreatic cancer, they'll think about it).

by Anonymousreply 9105/03/2021

Med journal article about Pleconaril explaining how it works

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by Anonymousreply 9205/03/2021

This is random but one thing I find fascinating about the past year is how suddenly people talk about flu vaccine symptoms like they are a normal common occurrence. My mother has religiously gotten flu vaccines for years and every year felt sick afterward, and every one of her doctors and nurses over the years has told her “that’s not possible” and acted like she was making it up. It was really infuriating. I suppose she feels vindicated now, but being treated like she was crazy or some kind of malingerer for years because medical staff can’t bother to educate themselves is more than a little bit infuriating.

by Anonymousreply 9305/03/2021

The CDC said in ABC tonight that the vaccines are protecting against the Indian variant and Fauci said they are protecting against all the variants. Look it up.

You people got this variant panic the same as you all got the HIV super strain shit. You have been predicting a super HIV strain for years but alas, it never has happened. Fewer people get infected every year, mainly due to prep, so you can't shame like you used to for people having sex. You really wanted a super strain to happen, just say it, you bitter unloved cunts.

by Anonymousreply 9405/03/2021

Sometimes I read through these threads and I see an alarming number of you who I think would be perfectly happy staying in lockdown forever.

by Anonymousreply 9505/03/2021

No you don't pay people to get the vaccine. What you do and what is already happening is that companies are going to start demanding proof of vaccination and if you decide you don't want to get it, they are going to insist on a Covid test at the individual's expense to enter places. A covid test will cost between $50-$100 in the future and you will be required to have one every two days or so. A lot of employers are already implementing this.

So, in the end, those of us with the vaccine will go on with what is left of our short lives while those who aren't will pay and go broke just getting the tests. That's how we do it in America.

by Anonymousreply 9605/03/2021

Actually, r93 you cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. You might feel a tad under the weather after, but the actual flu is so much worse. I'm so tired of the fucking baby adults screaming about how the flu vaccine gives them the flu. It is impossible for it to do so because the virus isn't live. What your body is doing when you feel a little icky for a day is the same that is happening with the Covid Vac. You might still catch the flu if you are unlucky enough to catch one of the strains that isn't in the year's shot, but that in no way proves that the flu shot gives you the flu.

by Anonymousreply 9705/03/2021

Funny how people are using the vaccine to virtue signal as if they are good people and care about the "common good". Bullshit!

by Anonymousreply 9805/03/2021

But auntie Edith said she heard on Facebook there was a new variant in Tarukistan that will kill us all and the vaxxes won't protect us! Start a prayer chain quick!

by Anonymousreply 9905/03/2021

r93, that sounds like my doctor's reaction when I caught ear mites from my cat. He acted like I was crazy... then finally humored me, looked in my ear, swapped around, found mite-poop, sheepishly admitted I was right, and sent me home with a prescription for ivermectin (two doses a week apart) and antibiotic-steroid ear drops (so I'd quit trying to tear my ear canal apart to stop that god-awful itch).

It's INSANE how hard it is to get doctors in the US to grasp that parasites aren't just something that happens to poor people in horrible third-world countries. And when it DOES happen, they feel entitled to shame patients, the same way school authorities act when a kid gets lice.

by Anonymousreply 10005/03/2021

R97, no shit the real thing is worse. She never said she got the flu, she said she got sick. And they treated her just like you are, like it was all in her head and she’s just a nutball. And then the healthcare industry wonders why people don’t truth them. Gosh, I wonder.

by Anonymousreply 10105/03/2021

*trust

by Anonymousreply 10205/03/2021

[QUOTE] I see an alarming number of you who I think would be perfectly happy staying in lockdown forever.

I will NOT venture out maskless until every disadvantaged Trans+ sexworker of colorx is vaccinated!

by Anonymousreply 10305/04/2021

r101, she didn't "get sick." She got side effects.

Learn the difference.

by Anonymousreply 10405/04/2021

Just say NO.

by Anonymousreply 10505/04/2021

OP you're a cunt and a Yenta.

by Anonymousreply 10605/04/2021

[quote] Sometimes I read through these threads and I see an alarming number of you who I think would be perfectly happy staying in lockdown forever.

You see what you want to see, asshole, not what's actually there.

by Anonymousreply 10705/04/2021

This “the liberals want to stay in lock down forever” bullshit is just a standard Repug talking point, designed to undermine serious discussion.

by Anonymousreply 10805/04/2021

[quote] If you get the vaccine they are not threat to you.

But they are a threat to the already stretched healthcare system, economy, education, etc. Non-vaxxers are likely to hang out with other non-vaxxers and we will see the spikes in infections recurring because of that, not to mention that they will travel to the parts of the world where vaccination is not as successful as here (Mexico, for example) and import mutations of the virus. Granted, those of us who are vaccinated will probably be OK in terms of not getting it or getting it in a very mild form but those morons will still end up on ventilators, clogging up entire hospital wings so that people who need other treatments are seriously delayed in getting them. Plus, how many businesses or schools will have to close temporarily because Dan and Judy Deplorable went to a cheap resort in Baja, got infected, and brought back some mutation of the virus that they spread to the rest of their MAGA relatives, including children?

by Anonymousreply 10905/04/2021

I'm a miserable sack of bitterness and I want to molder in my living room until I die.

And YOU need to, too!

by Anonymousreply 11005/04/2021

R110 is a perfect example of r108

by Anonymousreply 11105/04/2021

It reminds me of people that smoke, knowing there is a connection to lung cancer. Let them all perish quickly.

by Anonymousreply 11205/04/2021

104, take a step back and think about what you just said. Then maybe try to refrain from making comments in the future that so clearly demonstrate your inability to grasp simple concepts.

by Anonymousreply 11305/04/2021

[quote]R110 is a perfect example of R108

They sound like the same person.

by Anonymousreply 11405/04/2021

[quote] being treated like she was crazy or some kind of malingerer for years because medical staff can’t bother to educate themselves is more than a little bit infuriating.

Tell me about it.

by Anonymousreply 11505/04/2021

I’ve heard religious leaders tell congregations not to vaccinate. I thought maybe it was rooted in an anti-science stance, but have come to realize they’re feeding political discontent. Churches seriously need to pay taxes. I realize it’ll never happen, but if you’re going to be politically partisan, then you shouldn’t enjoy tax exemption status.

by Anonymousreply 11605/04/2021

R45, no, and you’re a troll and a dummy to even ask that stupid question

by Anonymousreply 11705/04/2021

Good. Lord.

Maybe this whackadoodle has been posting on this thread?

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by Anonymousreply 11805/04/2021

What’s wrong with having lockdown forever? Just because you do stuff doesn’t mean we all have to!

by Anonymousreply 11905/04/2021

possibly, they are trolls

by Anonymousreply 12005/04/2021

[quote]R66, I think Dorothy Parker would kindly tell you to go fuck yourself.

Keep Ms. Parker's name out of your troll mouth.

by Anonymousreply 12105/04/2021

You first, R121-- Age before beauty! And swine before pearls. (which is the reverse of the original) Do you even know what I'm taking about?

by Anonymousreply 12205/04/2021

Girls! Girls! You both type fat and dumb!

by Anonymousreply 12305/04/2021

It is not fully vetted by the FDA. It is in use on an emergency basis. Therefore, not trustworthy. You couldn't pay me any amount of money to get it.

by Anonymousreply 12405/04/2021

[quote]It is not fully vetted by the FDA. It is in use on an emergency basis. Therefore, not trustworthy. You couldn't pay me any amount of money to get it.

Your loss, Oleg. You have access to the Sputnik vaccine yet or no?

by Anonymousreply 12505/04/2021

The "get back to normal" argument doesnt work on people who didn't alter their lives at all because of COVID. We just have to face it that theres at least 20% of the population will never be vaccinated no matter what. We need to move on without them. If they get covid and die-oh well. They had their chance. I shouldn't have to be in a mask all summer because Sue Bob and Billy Joe from Arkansas are dumbass deplorables who believe in QAnon.

by Anonymousreply 12605/04/2021

We can all live with 20% of the population (only slightly less than those currently identifying as Republican) not getting vaccinated. When it's 30% or more we have a problem.

by Anonymousreply 12705/04/2021

[quote]You first, R121-- Age before beauty! And swine before pearls. (which is the reverse of the original) Do you even know what I'm taking about?

I am aware that you've got "wit" and "being a rancid internet cunt" all mixed up in your tiny brain.

by Anonymousreply 12805/04/2021

Maybe they'll change their tune when the double mutants hit !!

by Anonymousreply 12905/04/2021

R129 if that happens we’re all fucked.

by Anonymousreply 13005/04/2021

I'm getting my first shot tomorrow night at Walgreens. I admit I am nervous as I've had bad reactions to vaccines in the past (mostly feeling like crap and terrible joint pain that lasted for 2 weeks) but I guess I need to stop being a pussy.

by Anonymousreply 13105/04/2021

yup.

by Anonymousreply 13205/05/2021

I guess covid will be similar to the flu, where you'll need a vaccine every year...but some people will die, as many die from the flu every year. The vaccines lessen the severity with herd immunity, taking precautions like hand washing and even wearing a mask for a little while more. That's why the vaccinations are so important now. Then, the virus will be more under control...we will learn more about it and the after effects and mutations. It'll be handled like another flu. Just my opinion..

by Anonymousreply 13305/05/2021

Mostly agree with R133, except reluctance to get vaccinated against COVID now in US will delay herd immunity until 2023-2024.

by Anonymousreply 13405/05/2021

That all depends on the spread among the non-vax, no?

by Anonymousreply 13505/05/2021

Get your vax, or else

by Anonymousreply 13605/05/2021

@jasonfurman · 28m

Harvard requiring vaccines for all on campus students this fall! Glad to be joining so many other Universities and hoping the university extends the requirement to faculty, staff and researchers (guidance for those "is under consideration").

by Anonymousreply 13705/05/2021

[quote] I'm getting my first shot tomorrow night at Walgreens. I admit I am nervous as I've had bad reactions to vaccines in the past (mostly feeling like crap and terrible joint pain that lasted for 2 weeks) but I guess I need to stop being a pussy.

Stop being a misogynist while you’re at it, too.

by Anonymousreply 13805/05/2021

stop being so stupid!

Get your VAX!

by Anonymousreply 13905/05/2021

R26 - I also have no problem with paying people to get the vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 14005/05/2021

My brother got a $40 gift certificate for Von's when he went for his 2nd Moderna shot.

carrot and stick, I say.

by Anonymousreply 14105/05/2021

In terms of paying people to get the vaccine, there's always, "You want a paycheck, you need to be vaccinated."

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[quote]In terms of paying people to get the vaccine, there's always, "You want a paycheck, you need to be vaccinated."

US Corporations with WFH employees are going through that debate even as we speak. I'm guessing they'll find a way to make life quite difficult for their unvaxxed employees short of firing them.

by Anonymousreply 14305/05/2021

Employers have a lot of incentive to want (require?) their employees to be vaccinated. Just one can infect an entire shift - imagine the amount of sick pay the bosses would be stuck having to shell out.

by Anonymousreply 14405/05/2021

Private companies can pay people to get the vax, but the federal government and taxpayers better not pay anyone. You should do the right thing or you may die.

by Anonymousreply 14505/05/2021

If you come in contact with an infected employee, say at a shop or any kind of business, can you sue the business for putting you in danger? (for many businesses, the customer has no choice but to come in contact with its employees - shops, salons, gyms, insurance agents, everybody working in a government building or courthouse, school, hospital, doctor/dentist office, etc...)

Don't we, as citizens, have a right to expect to go about our regular business without having to put our lives in danger because of anti-vaxxers, now that vaccines are so easy to acquire and are recommended highly by the government?

by Anonymousreply 14605/05/2021

In Florida, you cannot sue a business for your infection.

by Anonymousreply 14705/05/2021

A family friend is one of the denialists. She belongs to some strip-mall Southern Baptist offshoot. In her case, her pastor told the congregation that the vaccines are a test from the Devil. Only those who do not have faith in Jesus will succumb to the vaccine; those whom Jesus loves do not need it as they will be protected by God.

If there is a just God, She will use this to cull out the really stupid people from the human race

by Anonymousreply 14805/05/2021

A very good reason to go to Disneyland instead of Disneyworld R147

by Anonymousreply 14905/05/2021

Broadway theaters are reopening September 14 and ticket holders will be required to be vaccinated.

Mets and Yankees will sell preferred seating to vaccinated people. Unvaccinated people have to sit socially distanced in isolated sections of the stadiums.

by Anonymousreply 15005/05/2021

[quote]Unvaccinated people have to sit socially distanced in isolated sections of the stadiums.

I can’t imagine this going well.

by Anonymousreply 15105/05/2021

I was at the supermarket twice in the last week and for the first time saw people knowing wearing their mask. At Target the woman walking about, even after seeing others and the greeter wearing their mask, as if she didn't have a care in the world.

by Anonymousreply 15205/05/2021

What woman, r152?

by Anonymousreply 15305/05/2021

The separation of people by vaccination status sounds feasible to me.

For a long long time, places used to segregate people into smoking and non-smoking sections. Now, it's basically no smoking period, with smokers relegated to the outside to harm their own health as they please.

by Anonymousreply 15405/05/2021

R134 Smoking? That is the silliest comparison.

Anyway, if you're vaccinated you should stop being paranoid about the infinitesimal possibility of getting infected.

by Anonymousreply 15505/05/2021

R152 she’s probably vaccinated. The chief of Infectious Disease at the hospital where I work in NYC (it’s a prestigious hospital) says fully vaccinated people aren’t asymptomatic spreaders. I tend to believe an MD/PHD versus some joyless SJW who wants us masked and behind closed doors forever.

by Anonymousreply 15605/05/2021

I have never heard of a person who is vaccinated...for polio, measles, the flu...whatever, being told that you can still be a carrier for the disease.

by Anonymousreply 15705/05/2021

r138 Stop being a cunt.

by Anonymousreply 15805/05/2021

News reports tonight that initial test results for the Moderna booster vaccines, and they work against the British & SA variants.

Yay! Get fucking vaccinated!

by Anonymousreply 15905/05/2021

Don't care R156. For all you know she could be an anti vaccine. The sign to Target and my grocery store says mask are required. I'm fully vaccinated and I still wear my mask.

by Anonymousreply 16005/05/2021

"We are almost six months out of mass vaccinations. If there were going to be massive, immediate, adverse reactions, they would have happened by now."

There have been horrific reactions haven't you been keeping up? And by the end of this year we will have widespread death and disease from this vaccine that you can't ignore. MSM will have to cover it.

by Anonymousreply 16105/05/2021

?? ?

by Anonymousreply 16205/05/2021

Still waiting on my vaccine here in Australia. I'm in group 1a, we were supposed to be done months ago but supplies were limited, then it was only the AZ available and we're supposed to get Pfizer. Talk about a stuff up. Anyway, I should be getting the vaccine in the next month, just in time for my retirement in August.

by Anonymousreply 16305/05/2021

R161 I'm blocking your anti vac ass now. You are spreading misinformation, lies and fear.

None of what you wrote is true you fool.

by Anonymousreply 16405/05/2021

José Baselga, a renowned cancer doctor who led AstraZeneca Plc’s oncology research-and-development arm, has died.

A fellow of the American Association for Cancer Research, Baselga died of Creutzfeldt-Jacob Disease, a rapidly progressive neurodegenerative disorder, according to a Spanish news report. He was 61.

Wasn't this mentioned in the John Titor time traveler revelations?

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by Anonymousreply 16505/05/2021

Are Prions in Covid Vaccines?

Who cares about cows and sheep.

Human Identified Prion Diseases: Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD) Gerstmann-Straussler-Scheinker Syndrome. Fatal Familial Insomnia. Kuru.

Think of a society of disabled Steven Hawkins, vaxxed and Prion disease affected people.

If you read the article there are two Prion proteins in a wuhan19 spike protein. The same Spike protein perfectly copied in the Pfizer/Moderna pathogenic virus vax. Each injection has 50X10tenth power of virus injected into the deltoid muscle, plenty of Prions to wreck a person.

With that density of potential Prion generation, we're not talking years.

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by Anonymousreply 16705/05/2021

Microbiology article on RNAs that behave like prions.

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by Anonymousreply 16805/05/2021

A lot of people have cancelled Alex Jones Infowars or consider him a joke but he dis have good info on his show on the mRNA vaccine causing prion disease here at 3:50

Part of it is him discovering the 2017 document theory crafting a pandemic outbreak and subsequent vaccine that causes BSE/prion disease in recipients after a few years.Most of the rest is him quoting this SPARS document from John Hopkins - the scientific study on mRNA vaccine and their relation to causing prion disease.

"As time passed and more people across the United States were vaccinated, claims of adverse side effects began to emerge. Several parents claimed that their children were experiencing neurological symptoms similar to those seen among livestock exposed to the GMI vaccine. By May 2027, parental anxiety around this claim had intensified to the point of lawsuits. That month, a group of parents whose children developed mental retardation as a result of encephalitis in the wake of Corovax vaccination sued the federal government, demanding removal of the liability shield protecting the pharmaceutical companies responsible for developing and manufacturing Corovax."

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by Anonymousreply 16905/05/2021

35 Year Old MOTHER OF 4 DIES 9 DAYS AFTER RECEIVING COVID "VACCINE" - WHEN DOES THI$ $HIT STOP?

GRAND RAPIDS, MI — The family of an Ionia-area woman says she died “as the result of complications after receiving the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine.”

Anne VanGeest, 35, died April 19 at Mercy Health Saint Mary’s hospital in Grand Rapids.

“It is with profound sadness that we share the news of Anne’s passing Anne (Annie), who was 35, was a loving mother, wife, sister and daughter,” according to a statement from her family provided Lambert, a Grand Rapids-based public relations firm that is providing its services to the family pro bono.

“An active member in the animal rescue community, Annie will be remembered as a fierce advocate, a master-multi-tasker and a caring friend by her colleagues, fellow volunteers and family. We ask for privacy for her family as they mourn Annie’s passing and celebrate her life."

Her death certificate lists her cause of death as as “natural” and says the cause was “acute subarachnoid hemorrhage non-traumatic.”

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WHEN DOES THIS SHIT STOP? WHEN DOES THE PUBLIC REALIZE WHAT IS GOING ON?

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by Anonymousreply 17005/05/2021

R170, your tin hat needs a new antennae.

by Anonymousreply 17105/06/2021

200+ Screenshots From deleted Facebook Vaccine reaction groups at link.

It's pretty clear that based off of these screenshots that this is an active worldwide genocide and sterilization operation going on. If you can't see that by now then you are being willfully ignorant and just plain dumb.

And this is barely even a fraction of all of the posts in the Facebook vaccine injury groups. Now, imagine what is going to happen to all of these people who survived the jab 3 to 10 years down the road. I imagine a lot of them are going to pass away before 2030 and birth rates will be next to nothing due to the sterilization

(right on time with their agenda and population reduction "predictions")

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Ooh Papatoonie...

by Anonymousreply 17305/06/2021

R171 - big pharma cleaner

by Anonymousreply 17405/06/2021

5 month old toddler develops rash, fever, wouldn't eat and dies 24 hrs after being breast fed by their mother who was just vaccinated the day before.

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by Anonymousreply 17505/06/2021

Is it morning already in Russia? You idiots should at least spread out the misinformation crap a little to make it less obvious. And, is Sputnik the only name you have for everything?

by Anonymousreply 17605/06/2021

Definitely not vaccines. They are gene modifiers. That's what the mRNA injection does to you. It GMO's you. It uses the new CRISPR technology to literally and permanently edit your genetic makeup by altering (destroying) DNA sequences in your body that supposedly match the virus.

A messenger cell (Cas enzyme) is first programmed by scientists and then injected into your body. It then searches and destroys the specified DNA sequences. The results then start to replicate in your body but you won't see the true effects until later on because replication takes time. Nobody knows what the long term outcome will be because this has never been done on humans before, let alone on such a massive scale. Fauci even admitted that recently. YOU are the human trial. YOU are the human guinea pig.

Problem is it's irreversible. No medication in the world will be able to change you back to what you were before. And things can go wrong. The messenger cell can easily cut in the wrong place and cause the body to attack itself and do horrific things later on after replication.

by Anonymousreply 17705/06/2021

SPIKE ALONE CAUSES DISEASE

"In the new study, the researchers created a “pseudovirus” that was surrounded by SARS-CoV-2 classic crown of spike proteins, but did not contain any actual virus. Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease. Tissue samples showed inflammation in endothelial cells lining the pulmonary artery walls."

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by Anonymousreply 17805/06/2021

Dr. Richard Fleming has the proof that vaccinated people get COVID just as often as unvaccinated and he got the proof from the EUA applications for Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen (J&J). They KNOW it does not stop COVID. And they are using this lie to destroy America and rush in the Great Reset which is nothing more than global communism.

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by Anonymousreply 17905/06/2021

Look at the sentence in the first paragraph of R178's link that this piece of shit disinformation troll conveniently left out:

[quote]Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.

by Anonymousreply 18005/06/2021

R176, does Russia control John Hopkins,

by Anonymousreply 18105/06/2021

Ironically, researching Fauci's association to the AIDS epidemic will yield some interesting information.

by Anonymousreply 18205/06/2021

The best evidence you need that these vaccines have a higher risk of death and disability than typical vaccines are the extraordinary measures Facebook and YouTube are going to in order to stop people from sharing their stories.

Facebook banned yet another group yesterday of 20,000 women who have been experiencing strange menstrual bleeding when being exposed to vaccinated people.

Kids are also getting nosebleeds...bad ones. Just from being near vaccinated teachers. Or getting periods really early.

These are symptoms of a clotting disorder.

There's a cover up going on because the powers that be don't give a shit about safety. There is big money here at play and other motives going on.

Don't be dense.

by Anonymousreply 18305/06/2021

R179 and R181 are disinformation trolls and huge pieces of shit. R179's link is literally to someone lauding the greatness of Hydroxychloroquin and proclaiming Covid a hoax. This troll is THAT fucking stupid and thinks you are all that fucking stupid, too.

by Anonymousreply 18405/06/2021

R183, another tin hat in need of an antennae adjustment.

by Anonymousreply 18505/06/2021

R184, Get off your high horse.

Everyone filters just about everything through their sociopolitical lens, including matters of health/medicine. Money and power also play a big part in the way that people judge things.

Look at the issue of AGW, now "climate change."

Face masks good, face masks bad. Sometimes there are dueling assessments from the same so-called experts too.

Contradictions, censoring, banning, de-platforming, etc. Reactions from so-called experts too. Or those who work closely with so-called experts.

by Anonymousreply 18605/06/2021

More deleted facebook posts

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by Anonymousreply 18705/06/2021

Yes, because these first take vaccines that we're made in a rush are so effective. Are all of you guys posting about how people that don't want to get vaccinated should die, Americans? Cause in the rest of the world these vaccines aren't that popular and no one is rushing to get them.

by Anonymousreply 18805/06/2021

A woman in Vermont died about a week after getting the Moderna shot.

OK, she was in a fatal car accident as a passenger, but still...it makes you think! Car! Vaccine! Death!

by Anonymousreply 18905/06/2021

R189, Riiiiiiiiiiight, just like if that same woman had the accident with no vaccine but tested positive for covid it would have been counted as a covid death? How come we never had a thread about those inflated covid statistics?

by Anonymousreply 19005/06/2021

Bullshit, r188. People are standing in LONG lines to get them in other countries. I have friends in Canada who haven't had their first shot yet and say how jealous they are of those of us who are already vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 19105/06/2021

R191 Haha, Canada. Canada=USA. I meant the rest of the world.

by Anonymousreply 19205/06/2021

One billion people have been vaccinated. But yeah, no one wants them.

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by Anonymousreply 19305/06/2021

Because stupidity is alive and well. I sincerely hope these bastards catch COVID and die gasping for breath.

by Anonymousreply 19405/06/2021

No one around me is getting vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 19505/06/2021

R12 listen to R14. What you said is the biggest fallacy of the anti-vax idea. It is nobody's choice when their "choice" infringes upon the rights of others. Your freedom ends where mine begins. Suppose I haven't had access to the vaccine yet but would really prefer not to get COVID or give it to my family. However, some asshole refuses and infects me...now my rights are infringed upon. It's also an infringement on the whole world when anti-vaxxers are causing more mutations and more disease. This is contagion. Unless you don't leave the house for the rest of your life, get the damned vax.

by Anonymousreply 19605/06/2021

R16 - you are a smarter fellow than me. I am still trying to understand where the hell R3 is coming from. What the hell is the "most point"?

by Anonymousreply 19705/06/2021

Just announced by the Romanian government as the travel and warmer season is finally here. Those who want to go out after 8 PM for anything other than work or medical emergencies or essential reasons (they must have a declaration signed under penalty of perjury) or book into spas, hotels, or fly must show proof of vaccination. Masks outside will remain mandatory in urban and suburban areas (narrow sidewalks) until further notice. Every mall and supermarket is required to announce the location of the nearest drive-through vaccination center every 30 minutes on the speaker and repeat safety measures 2 times an hour.

Two assholes from at work (Iowa and Florida) are saying "there is no freedom here". My roommate just said "they are free to stay home but why should other countries or the general public who pays huge taxes, pay for the ICU when the vaccine is free and they educate you about safety measures and provides masks?"

by Anonymousreply 19805/06/2021

[QUOTE] MSM will have to cover it.

aaaaaand there we have it. A Trumptard in our midst, or a paid troll acting like one.

by Anonymousreply 19905/06/2021

Even Trevor Noah is calling out the stupid "massaging" that says people need to wear masks after being vaccinated. Pretending to not know why people are skeptical about these vaccines makes you look uninformed, not the hesitant.

by Anonymousreply 20005/06/2021

The loony tunes squad came out last night I see

by Anonymousreply 20105/06/2021

I do think there is a point in that. In order to make the vaccines more attractive to more people there has to be some reward at the end of the vaccine. I have heard people say that if you still have to mask up and social distance and the movies and restaurants are still at limited capacity seating, what's the point of the vaccine?

The idea of herd immunity is scientifically sound, however it doesn't play well into a society that likes immediate gratification and that doesn't like to read the fine print.

by Anonymousreply 20205/06/2021

I wondered why this thread, which had somewhat slowed down, got 42 new posts since I went to bed. Lo and behold, a science-illiterate consipiracy theorist, trembling in his bomb shelter, tin hat a-quiver, apparently spewed out every alarmist story he could find.

by Anonymousreply 20305/06/2021

[quote] your tin hat needs a new antennae.

Oh, dear!

by Anonymousreply 20405/06/2021

[quote] there has to be some reward at the end of the vaccine. I have heard people say that if you still have to mask up and social distance and the movies and restaurants are still at limited capacity seating, what's the point of the vaccine?

The point is not everyone gets the vaccine at one time or in one shot (pun intended). Until we reach a level where a vast majority are vaccinated we have to continue some precautionary measures.

Is this really that difficult to understand?

by Anonymousreply 20505/06/2021

apparently

by Anonymousreply 20605/06/2021

Why do you say he is science-illiterate R203?

by Anonymousreply 20705/06/2021

Ugh!

by Anonymousreply 20805/06/2021

R164 has fingers in his ears, singing La La La, I can't hear you.

by Anonymousreply 20905/06/2021

The antivax cult are just not that into getting things up and running. They want to live like this forever.

Yet, they were the ones screaming that the Covid was a hoax. They are contrarian as a sport of destruction.

by Anonymousreply 21005/06/2021

[quote]Is this really that difficult to understand?

To me it's not R205. But I am not the general public, I believe in science and I actually read. Most people don't. From the very beginning, the messaging around Covid has been confusing and fucked up. And now people are tired and they aren't reading the details, they just want life to get back to normal.

by Anonymousreply 21105/06/2021

I work with a woman who hasn't been vaccinated. She also takes off her mask too. I've been vaccinated and we get tested weekly but still.

She is an older woman and says she is just waiting. She might get it this summer. She is afraid she will get side-effects and die. I told her pfizer is the one with less side effects and I know old people who were fine with it and had no side effects.

by Anonymousreply 21205/06/2021

r210 antivax are cunts and trolls

by Anonymousreply 21305/06/2021

[quote]She is afraid she will get side-effects and die.

she made that up out of whole cloth

by Anonymousreply 21405/06/2021

If the bitch had enough whole cloth to make up that lie, someone should tell her to put it over her nose and mouth.

by Anonymousreply 21505/06/2021

I’m vaccinated and not wearing my mask outside, and I live in NYC. My tolerance for risk is clearly higher than the rest of you. If someone says something to me on the sidewalk i’ll tell them to suck my dick.

by Anonymousreply 21605/06/2021

I’ll tell them to suck my mask

by Anonymousreply 21705/06/2021

If the vaccine "permanently alters" your DNA, then why would it only be effective for just 8 months?

The misinformation campaigns are selectively taking tiny bits and pieces of truth out of context to give a warped & distorted view (kind of like how evangelicals pick & choose 2 or 3 words from the bible out of context to support any view they want).

Example: the Russian (Sputnik) vaccine only works zero or one times, because its entry vector is based upon an adenovirus transport agent. There are multiple ways you can become infected by adenovirus, but one of them is potentially useful as a way to safely deliver a rapidly-developed vaccine. The catch is, it only works once in your life & never works again... and the same adenovirus-immunity can develop through a regular adenovirus infection that most people have already had. The immunity isn't to adenoviruses in general, just to the one specific subtype and the infection route that enables it to be hijacked as a vaccine.

So... the upside to the Sputnik vaccine was that it could be available quickly (and was). The downside was that it only worked all for about 1/4 to 1/3 of the people getting it, and a future vaccine based on the approach will never work on anyone who got THIS vaccine (potentially squandering it as a vaccination vector for an even worse future virus).

For old people, the Sputnik vaccine was potentially better than nothing... but unlikely to work. For young people, getting it would have been short-sighted absent some greater vulnerability (like leukemia).

Anyway, the anti-vaxxers take bits and pieces of info like this, and glop it all together into a single senseless generalization against them all that's mostly bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 21805/06/2021

R216 - bet you don't go to Harlem and say that to the sistahs. But I would LOVE to see their reaction.

by Anonymousreply 21905/06/2021

R190, maybe because there were no inflated counts?

If anything, there seems to have been an under-count in many places.

by Anonymousreply 22005/06/2021

The interesting point will arise in about a year if most other Countries have reached effective herd immunity and the US hasn't.

I've not noticed the same level of reluctance elsewhere in the developed world.

by Anonymousreply 22105/06/2021

[quote]The interesting point will arise in about a year if most other Countries have reached effective herd immunity and the US hasn't.

You better get to one of those countries!

by Anonymousreply 22205/06/2021

R221, I have. The dutch have basically given up on getting vaccinated and France and Germany have their share of antivaxxers

by Anonymousreply 22305/06/2021

If you get a vaccine an unvaccinated person is no threat to you. Cut the hysterics.

by Anonymousreply 22405/06/2021

not so, you have a small chance of getting sick

by Anonymousreply 22505/06/2021

You also have a chance of catching it and spreading it unknowingly, which is why the rest of the Western World will be demanding negative Covid tests from US citizens forever.

The biggest problem is the US becoming 'Typhoid Mary'

by Anonymousreply 22605/06/2021

I'm just a girl who cain't say no!

by Anonymousreply 22705/06/2021

[quote]If you get a vaccine an unvaccinated person is no threat to you. Cut the hysterics.

A critical mass of vaccinated people is necessary if we want to keep the virus from developing; moreover, as people said upthread, there's still a small chance that a vaccinated person could contract a (non-deadly) case of covid and then transmit it. How do these monomaniacs justify their willful ignorance? The libertarian cult of "live like you're alone in the world" is strong in them.

by Anonymousreply 22805/06/2021

[quote] If someone says something to me on the sidewalk i’ll tell them to suck my dick.

Ah, an aristocrat!

by Anonymousreply 22905/06/2021

R223 Then you know very little about Europe.

by Anonymousreply 23005/06/2021

Oooops sorry R223, that post is intended for R221.

Statistically, Europeans are more skeptical of vaccines than Americans.

by Anonymousreply 23105/06/2021

yeah, I didn't think they were going for it

by Anonymousreply 23205/06/2021

I was all set to be vaccinated today (Pfizer) when I found out that I'm allergic to a substance in the vaccine. This substance can send me into anaphylactic shock.. Specifically, I'm allergic to IV iodine contrast, which I received a number of years ago in preparation for a kidney x-ray. It's referred to as a radiocontrast allergy, and believe me, it was not fun. My blood pressure dropped quickly, and my throat started to close. I was covered in hives. I was given a strong shot of antihistamine immediately, and had to be hospitalized on the spot, and monitored closely, blood pressure taken every 15 minutes. The irony of the situation was that I was supposed to be tested for the allergy before the procedure began, but the nurses forgot or couldn't be bothered.

I'm up shit creek now. I was told I would be "monitored closely" if I chose to take the vaccine. But close monitoring isn't going to stop the reaction from occurring again. The only other vaccine in this area is Moderna, and I'm told that it contains the same substance.

by Anonymousreply 23305/06/2021

R231 Europeans will eventually be coerced into having the vaccine however skeptical they are. Most countries don't have a US style Constitution and even if they did their respective Governments would trample all over it in the name of Public Health.

I've lived in Europe all of my life, over 50 years.

by Anonymousreply 23405/06/2021

R234 I lived in Europe for nearly 4 decades.

If could actually write: "I've not noticed the same level of reluctance elsewhere in the developed world." can only mean that despite your 50 years there, you are very out of touch.

by Anonymousreply 23505/06/2021

[quote] I've lived in Europe all of my life,

Not yet you haven’t.

by Anonymousreply 23605/06/2021

R235 Everyone I know in the UK, Italy, Greece, Spain and Denmark is enthusiastic about having the vaccine and resuming normal life.

Obviously that leaves another 20+ Countries I have little experience of.

by Anonymousreply 23705/06/2021

It has a way to go until it catches up to the odds of dying playing football then....

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R233, wait, who told you that there's iodine contrast in the vaccine? I don't see that in the list of ingredients, and I don't see why they would put iodine contrast in a vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 24105/06/2021

R241, Ms. Lucy don't do it! Refuse it! Can you at least delay or stall?

by Anonymousreply 24205/06/2021

goofy cunts

by Anonymousreply 24305/06/2021

There's this thing called herd immunity...

by Anonymousreply 24405/06/2021

R241 There's something in the Pfizer vaccine that is close enough, chemically, that it poses a risk factor. I took my 88 year old great aunt to be immunized a few days ago. She was questioned about her health, allergies, and sensitivities. One of the questions asked concerned sensitivity to intravenous dyes. I asked the attending nurse about this and she told me that, in my case, I could receive the vaccine, but would have to be monitored closely for 30 minutes afterward, and if I showed signs of distress, I would immediately have a drug administered to counteract the reaction. That is all I can tell you. But I do know from experience that the reaction is not pleasant and is life-threatening.

R242 I cancelled the appointment, and I'm going to talk to my doctor about it. My blood is O negative, and apparently this means that my natural immunity to the disease is strong.

by Anonymousreply 245Last Friday at 12:23 AM

I'm not putting this crap they mixed together in a couple of months, in a hurry. And they all came out with different ones suspiciously around the same time. One day when they came up with a real thing, if that ever happens, I will be getting vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 246Last Friday at 12:25 AM

SO fucking over the idiots here...R246 China had the genome sequenced very quickly and released it to the world. The world took the genome and knew how to sequence the MRNA to create a vaccine back in FEBRUARY of last year. The MRNA vaccines have been researched and developed for YEARS. All they did was create the molecule that was for Covid. MRNA vaccines are not new and are safe. We could have had a vaccine in February of 2020 but because the WORLD wanted to make sure the vaccines were safe, they started the trials immediately and monitored the results. The vaccine hasn't changed since February 2020.

Fucking learn to understand basic science, son.

by Anonymousreply 247Last Friday at 1:23 AM

R245 - is there any way you can ask about the Astra Zeneca or J&J? I am no science expert so you bitches can flame away, but I do believe in science and did get the vaccine and encourage everyone to listen the specialists.

by Anonymousreply 248Last Friday at 2:01 AM

R248, I was advised to contact my doctor and discuss the situation with him. I've called his office and put in a request for a phone consultation, so I'll see what he has to say.

by Anonymousreply 249Last Friday at 2:17 AM

R249 - good luck and keep us posted.

by Anonymousreply 250Last Friday at 2:24 AM

I'll do that, R250. BTW I recall that when I had that first reaction I mentioned, my doctor at that time, now deceased, told me that a second episode with the allergen would likely be even worse, so I have to be really careful.

by Anonymousreply 251Last Friday at 3:05 AM

R246, this was not "mixed together in a couple of month." They have been working on a corona-virus vaccine for a decade. Just like how there is a flu vaccine that they alter to target that year's flu, so here they took the general vaccine and targeted it to Corona-19.

And I guess if Corona-21 develops they will target it to that as well.

by Anonymousreply 252Last Friday at 3:05 AM

Thank you, R247 and R252—but I fear the the stolid denialists and hyperskeptics will never respond to facts.

by Anonymousreply 253Last Friday at 3:35 AM

Everyone gets to make a personal choice about whether s/he gets vaccinated. However, as long as the decision depends on considering the well being of others or the collective good, we'll never get to herd immunity and a return to normalcy. Hopefully conversations with their doctors does the trick. Otherwise these people need to be incentivized - whether by paying them or by denying them entry to the places they want to go to (planes, restaurants, events) in the name of public safety. A strategy of simply waiting for them to make good choices is going to be disastrous.

by Anonymousreply 254Last Friday at 3:43 AM

Give them a free beer

by Anonymousreply 255Last Friday at 3:56 AM

Myth: Vaccine development was too fast, so it can’t be trusted.

Yes, the vaccines were produced at record speeds. But that was a benefit that can be attributed to massive government investments, including the Trump administration’s Operation Warp Speed, and technological advances that have been in the works for years.

“This was one of the fastest vaccine rollouts that’s ever been done, but that’s not because there’s been any shortcuts taken on safety,” says Eric Sachinwalla, medical director of infection prevention and control at Einstein Medical Center Philadelphia. “Drug companies had support from the federal government so they were able to start producing the vaccine while the clinical trials were going on, meaning we didn’t have to wait for the trial results and then wait months or years for the vaccine to be manufactured.”

by Anonymousreply 256Last Friday at 3:58 AM

Myth: The COVID-19 vaccine and the side effects are dangerous.

It’s natural to feel a little skeptical about putting something new into your body, but there’s an abundance of evidence that the vaccine is safe. “Around 570,000 [Americans] have died from this virus. None have died from the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Those odds are pretty striking,” says Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center and professor of infectious disease at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

The vaccines can cause side effects, like tiredness, achiness, and fever, but the vast majority last only a day or two and aren’t serious or dangerous. Side effects are actually normal signs that the vaccine is working and your body is building protection. (Not everyone will experience side effects, and that’s OK too.)

by Anonymousreply 257Last Friday at 3:58 AM

Myth: You have to pay for the vaccine.

The vaccine is free for all Americans. You will not be asked to pay anything out of pocket. However, you may be asked for your insurance card. This is because insurance companies have agreed to help cover some costs of administering the vaccine. That being said, many providers won’t ask you for your card. And if they do, and you don’t have insurance, that’s 100% OK.

“Not only is it safe, but it’s free, and it can save a life,” says Meenakshi Bewtra, a Penn Medicine physician and an assistant professor of epidemiology and medicine at the University of Pennsylvania.

by Anonymousreply 258Last Friday at 3:59 AM

Myth: Getting the vaccine gives you COVID-19.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNA vaccines. This type of vaccine essentially delivers a tiny piece of code to our cells that teaches them how to make a protein, or a piece of a protein, that triggers our immune system to recognize the actual virus if it comes along.

“It’s biologically impossible to get COVID from the vaccines,” says Sachinwalla. “They don’t actually contain the virus itself.”

This is true for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, too, considered a viral vector vaccine. It uses similar genetic instructions as the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines to teach your cells how to make “spike” proteins. But it delivers the instructions to do so using disabled adenovirus instead of mRNA technology. The adenovirus has been modified so it cannot make copies of itself and cause disease, and it is in no way related to the coronavirus.

by Anonymousreply 259Last Friday at 3:59 AM

Myth: The vaccine can affect your fertility.

There is zero evidence to support that the COVID-19 vaccine can cause infertility. There’s no need to get a pregnancy test before getting vaccinated, nor do you need to avoid pregnancy after vaccination, says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“The mRNA vaccine is new and different, so it may sound scary, but there really hasn’t been any evidence of it affecting fertility, and in fact, COVID for pregnant [people] is dangerous,” says Sarah Bauerle Bass, associate professor and director of the Risk Communication Laboratory at Temple University.

If you’re pregnant, you’re at an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19 and may be at increased risk for adverse outcomes, like preterm birth, says the CDC. There is currently limited data on the safety of COVID-19 vaccines in pregnant people, but experts believe they’re unlikely to pose a specific risk for people who are pregnant. Pregnant people were not included in any of the three vaccine trials. But a few dozen people who participated in the Pfizer and Moderna trials became pregnant, and continued in the trials with no safety problems. If pregnant, you’re eligible for all authorized vaccines. You should talk with your doctor if you have any questions, but it’s not required before vaccination.

by Anonymousreply 260Last Friday at 4:00 AM

Myth: The vaccine changes your DNA.

You may have seen this myth circulating on social media, but it’s impossible for the vaccines to change your DNA. All three COVID-19 vaccines work by delivering instructions (genetic material) to our cells so that they can start building protection against the coronavirus. “However, the material never enters the nucleus of the cell, which is where our DNA is kept,” notes the CDC. This means that the vaccines can’t affect or interact with our DNA in any way.

by Anonymousreply 261Last Friday at 4:00 AM

Myth: The vaccines don’t always work, so I don’t need to get one.

The COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective, far more so than many scientists anticipated. But no vaccine provides 100% protection. For this reason, it actually makes it even more important for you to get those shots. To bring the pandemic under control, we need a substantial percentage of the population to be immune.

“This is all about adding layers of protection,” says Sachinwalla. “We know and expect there will be people who get vaccinated and still get infected, but if one potentially infectious person is in a room full of vaccinated people, they’re going to spread the virus to a lot less people than if they were in a room of unvaccinated people.”

The more people who are vaccinated, the harder it is for the virus to keep spreading (and mutating). But getting vaccinated is not just about looking out for others. Vaccines radically reduce your own chances of getting COVID-19, and even if you do get infected, your likelihood of being protected from serious illness that forces you into the hospital, or worse, kills you, is “pretty darn close to 100%,” says Sachinwalla

by Anonymousreply 262Last Friday at 4:00 AM

Myth: I’ve already had COVID-19, so I don’t need the vaccine.

You’re advised to get vaccinated even if you’ve had COVID-19. Why? Experts need more time to research how long natural immunity lasts. It’s also possible that the vaccine could provide better protection.

“It seems like the antibody response after vaccination may be better than natural immunity, but it’s still being researched,” says Sachinwalla. “There’s also a concern about whether or not natural immunity protects against various variants, whereas we’ve seen with the vaccines that there’s pretty good cross-protection, depending on the variants.”

If you were treated for COVID-19 with monoclonal antibodies or convalescent plasma, you should wait 90 days before getting vaccinated. Ask your doctor if you have questions or are unsure what treatments you received.

by Anonymousreply 263Last Friday at 4:01 AM

Vaccine fatigue is going to be a big thing if we have to have annual boosters. I can see those under 60 just not bothering.

I don't think not owning a car is a factor. In London where people mainly use public transport, 40% of the BAME group ages 45-100 refused the vaccine. The very people who were being hospitalised with severe covid.

by Anonymousreply 264Last Friday at 4:15 AM

[QUOTE] The sooner airlines do not allow the unvaccinated to fly or stores and restaurants deny them entry, the better.

Agree, and I hope this happens.

by Anonymousreply 265Last Friday at 4:16 AM

New numbers from Michigan, home to the nation's worst spring outbreak of Covid (by far) prove that, while the vaccines don't completely eliminate risk, they do provide dramatic risk reduction:

Residents of Michigan’s long-term care facilities, who were among the first to be offered vaccinations, are currently averaging 15 new COVID-19 cases a day. That compares to 192 a day at the height of the fall surge, even as current case numbers are matching fall levels in the general public.

Michigan’s prison system -- where 59% of inmates are fully immunized -- is now averaging nine new cases a day compared to 361 during the first week of December.

Michigan has reported about 295,000 new, confirmed coronavirus cases since Feb. 1. For those, 4,031 -- or 1.4% -- have involved people who are fully immunized.

Michigan has recorded 2,271 confirmed coronavirus deaths since March 1. Of those, 34 -- or 1.5% -- were considered fully immunized. Of the 34 fully immunized people who died, 33 were age 65 or older.

Since April 1, more than 17,000 people have been hospitalized for COVID. Meanwhile, 135 fully immunized people have been hospitalized this spring, less than 1% of the April total.

by Anonymousreply 266Last Friday at 4:21 AM

yup!

by Anonymousreply 267Last Friday at 5:04 AM

insane cunts

by Anonymousreply 270Last Friday at 6:10 PM

I love how the propaganda at R260 talks of "pregnant people ". Yep, let's erase women.

by Anonymousreply 271Last Friday at 7:22 PM

Village gets together, agrees that everyone should shit downstream, malcontents with small testicles decide "fuck it, I am going to shit in the water upstream if I want to."

Village elders shake their heads. Talk among themselves. Agree that malcontents must be sent away to far away coast, or clubbed to death if they don't go.

by Anonymousreply 272Last Friday at 7:28 PM

R272 did you translate that from the Chinese?

by Anonymousreply 273Last Friday at 7:50 PM

R273 No, rather from human DNA.

by Anonymousreply 274Last Friday at 9:54 PM

Seychelles has the best vaccination rate but is having a huge breakout. But keep pushing the vaccine like it's a moral imperative.

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by Anonymousreply 275Last Saturday at 1:11 AM

"Government data released this week found that of 1,068 active cases, around 65 percent involved residents who were either completely unvaccinated or had received only one dose."

From your article, r275. Now begone, before someone drops a house on you!

by Anonymousreply 276Last Saturday at 2:09 AM

Witches

by Anonymousreply 277Last Saturday at 3:11 AM

And to add to what R276 said: "Roughly 60 percent of the doses administered in Seychelles are vaccines made by the Chinese company Sinopharm that were donated to the Seychelles by the United Arab Emirates. The remaining doses are of the vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and produced by the Serum Institute of India ... the country has ended up using two vaccines that appear to be less effective against symptomatic covid-19."

As I suspected, the anti-vax trolls can't read past the headlines and their own alarmist fictions.

by Anonymousreply 278Last Saturday at 3:21 AM

they come creepy crawling out at night

by Anonymousreply 279Last Saturday at 3:31 AM

They mostly come at night.

Mostly.

by Anonymousreply 280Last Saturday at 10:19 AM

Creepy

by Anonymousreply 281Last Saturday at 10:26 AM

[quote] the Serum Institute of India

Ewwww.

by Anonymousreply 282Last Saturday at 12:47 PM

Naomi has good sense.

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by Anonymousreply 283Last Saturday at 5:46 PM

[quote]Naomi has good sense.

Said no one with an IQ higher than room temperature, ever.

by Anonymousreply 284Last Saturday at 6:07 PM

who is that cunt?

by Anonymousreply 285Last Saturday at 6:45 PM

Naomi Wolf believes that the vaccine is a software platform that uploads some sort of nanotechnology into your body. A loon.

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by Anonymousreply 286Last Sunday at 8:33 AM

who the fuck is that?

by Anonymousreply 287Last Sunday at 8:35 AM

Naomi Wolf? She emerged in the early 90s as a feminist writer for a general audience. Her ideas were always pretty shallow (e.g. *The Beauty Myth*), but in recent years she's taken a truly batshit turn. Her 2019 book *Outrages* based on her 2015 dissertation was undermined by her flagrant misunderstanding of the legal phrase "death recorded" (i.e. the convict wasn't executed, the death was *only* recorded), which she thought meant people were being executed for sodomy far into the 19th century.

The tweet at R283 shows were total fecklessness. She thinks she's scored a point by saying her critics never offer evidence for the vaccine's safety and efficacy—as if the evidence isn't being presented every day in hundreds of periodicals.

by Anonymousreply 288Last Sunday at 9:52 AM

She sounds insane

by Anonymousreply 289Last Sunday at 11:03 AM

48-Year-Old Surgeon DEAD after Mocking “Anti-vaxxers” and Writing His Own Obituary

Dr. Thomas Flanigan received the first dose of experimental Moderna mRNA on January 6, according to his Facebook page. He received the second dose on February 3.

Sometime thereafter (it’s unclear exactly when), he wrote his own obituary, in the same mocking fashion as the foregoing Facebook post. It is reminiscent of the Polish doctor we wrote about in February. But the surrealism surrounding this story is unmatched compared to any other story we’ve written thus far.

First, none of the media outlets that covered this story (except the New York Post) mentioned that Dr. Flanigan received experimental Moderna mRNA shots in January and February. However, the Post, like the other outlets, wrote that his cause of death is “not clear.” Second, the headlines are practically celebrating his death, perhaps in an attempt to deflect attention away from the Moderna shots.

They refer to the obituary as “hilarious,” “incredible” and other strange adjectives given the situation.

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by Anonymousreply 290Last Sunday at 11:03 PM

Vaccine nano fibers acting as antennas???

In a nutshell - some guy is measuring emf of vaccinated people and comparing those readings to those not vaccinated. Initial results show vaccinated throwing emf readings up to 40 times higher than the non vaccinated.

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by Anonymousreply 291Last Sunday at 11:54 PM

I’m getting more DM’s reporting abnormalities after getting the j@b

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by Anonymousreply 292Last Sunday at 11:57 PM

The stupid anti-vax troll can't even figure out to stop showing up at exactly the same time every night. Fucking moron.

by Anonymousreply 293Last Monday at 12:07 AM

I had my second Moderna shot last week. The pain faded over about four days and now i feel fine. But I can see why young people without dangerous underlying conditions might not be in a rush to be inoculated. Most will come around.

by Anonymousreply 294Last Monday at 1:54 AM

I am not an anti-vax or a covid denier but i am still nervous about getting the vaccine so soon. The only thing that makes me confident in it is that it is from the people who brought us the small pox and polio vaccine. I am paranoid. I will eventually get it done.

by Anonymousreply 295Last Monday at 2:10 AM

So soon? What is soon about it, bunky? Nearly three-quarters of a million have died of the virus in the US alone. MRNA vaccine technology is not new, so the “soon “ part is a lie

by Anonymousreply 296Last Monday at 3:43 AM

R296, didn't all the animals in MRNA studies die?

by Anonymousreply 297Last Monday at 4:10 AM

The Vax Deaths Are Starting

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by Anonymousreply 298Last Monday at 4:12 AM

Do some digging around.

Here's where to start

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by Anonymousreply 299Last Monday at 4:15 AM

r297, over the past twenty years? uh, no

by Anonymousreply 300Last Monday at 4:18 AM

R299, you're linking to statistics that show a marked decline in overall deaths since the vaccines kicked in as evidence that vaccines kill?

BTW, Israel reported just eight new coronavirus cases yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 301Last Monday at 4:21 AM

the trolls be trollin

by Anonymousreply 302Last Monday at 4:30 AM

Vaccines work:

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by Anonymousreply 303Last Monday at 4:36 AM

Good News!

Philadelphia registered no new cases over the weekend

by Anonymousreply 304Last Monday at 5:03 AM

I'm really not too certain the old vs new comparisons work here. Unless they've changed their minds since last year they had been telling us most people infected were asymptomatic. Of those infected who required hospitalization or died they nearly all were geriatric or suffered one or more other serious underlying conditions. That victim pool has already been severely depleted.

by Anonymousreply 305Last Monday at 5:46 AM

I'm unable to take the vaccine unless I'm willing to accept the fact that I would likely have an extreme and life-threatening reaction.. I'm allergic to one of its components. Years ago, I had a near-fatal reaction to an intravenously administered drug during a routine procedure. I was told that if I was ever administered this drug again, the reaction would be even worse, and it could kill me.

I know that the clinics have drugs on hand to administer if an extreme reaction occurs, but that situation is full of what-ifs. I'm between a rock and a hard place.

by Anonymousreply 306Last Monday at 5:57 AM

Aw, go ahead, FML. We'll all go to your funeral if anything happens. Promise.

by Anonymousreply 307Last Monday at 6:01 AM

R305, take a look at R266's data, particularly those from care facilities.

by Anonymousreply 308Last Monday at 6:17 AM

R306, there are people who cannot take the vaccine. That is why all of us who can, must take it. It is up to us to protect you.

I am just grateful that you already know about your reaction, and do not have to find out at a vaccine site.

by Anonymousreply 309Last Monday at 6:27 AM

R306, how interesting. Well, either don’t get vaxxed or take one of the other ones without that component. It’s that simple. Your explication belies an agenda though, sorry to say

by Anonymousreply 310Last Monday at 6:31 AM

[quote]Your explication belies an agenda

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 311Last Monday at 6:39 AM

R310, I'm not sure what that agenda would be. Staying alive? I'm not in the US. I'm in Canada, and in the province where I live, there are only two vaccines available. Both would be a risk to me.

by Anonymousreply 312Last Monday at 6:56 AM

Hang in there, Fabulous Miss Lucy.

by Anonymousreply 313Last Monday at 7:31 AM

Thanks, R313. High five to ya!

by Anonymousreply 314Last Monday at 7:39 AM

That americans, living in the ONE country that could inoculate her whole population this month if it wanted it, chooses to believe tripe about the dangers of the vaccines is just about the stupidest “first-world problem” idiocy that there ever was

Americans, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET YOUR FUCKING JAB, NOW!!!

by Anonymousreply 315Last Monday at 9:55 AM

Insurance companies should simply refuse to pay the hospital bills for COVID treatment for their customers who refuse the vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 316Last Monday at 10:05 AM

I used to think every human had a survival instinct. I was wrong.

by Anonymousreply 317Last Monday at 10:06 AM

Miss Lucy just don't do it, fuck that stupid agenda troll/op upthread, you only have one life.

by Anonymousreply 318Last Monday at 6:41 PM

Syracuse man mocks “anti-vaxxers,” dead seven days after vaccine

SYRACUSE, NEW YORK — A 57-year-old husband, father and grandfather is dead, in what is fast becoming a trend of death after social media virtue signaling.

Mr. Ronald Babb, Sr. and his wife Rose, received the experimental Johnson & Johnson viral vector shot on April 12, according to his Facebook page. They received the shot at a Walmart on Genessee Street in Camilius, New York, about 14 miles west of Syracuse. Mr. Babb posted he and his wife’s “vaccine cards” on Facebook with a caption saying they are now waiting to “turn into robots.”

Ronald Babb: 57-year-old Syracuse man mocks “anti-vaxxers,” dead seven days after Johnson & Johnson shot

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by Anonymousreply 319Last Monday at 6:47 PM

Brave Nurse Reveals the Pfizer Moderna Adverse Events Cases and FDA Briefing Documents!!!

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by Anonymousreply 320Last Tuesday at 1:45 AM

The FDA submitted document spoken about in this video;

Moderna - she reads from the bottom of page 42.

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by Anonymousreply 321Last Tuesday at 1:58 AM

Pfizer, top of page 41.

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by Anonymousreply 322Last Tuesday at 2:00 AM

Thousands of people die everyday. It was just his time.

by Anonymousreply 323Last Tuesday at 2:14 AM

Millions are saying no to the COVID vaccine because they're either stupid, gullible to all the lies, or scared, or a combination of all of those.

by Anonymousreply 324Last Tuesday at 2:25 AM

If all the animals either died or had fucked up immune systems and blood clots in the old studies for SARS vaccines shouldn't we be discussing that?

People DIED during trials and they still put it out there? WTF

by Anonymousreply 325Last Tuesday at 2:38 AM

Cunts

by Anonymousreply 326Last Tuesday at 3:46 AM

I'm starting to believe the posters who have noted that the trolliest anti-vax posts go up in the wee hours. An early riser, or a Boris on his lunch break?

by Anonymousreply 327Last Tuesday at 3:53 AM

Vaccines work:

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by Anonymousreply 328Last Tuesday at 3:55 AM

anti-vcxx trolls are cunts

by Anonymousreply 329Last Tuesday at 4:03 AM

Vaxxers are murderers but of course you're too stupid to worry about informed consent. If the vaccines were are experimental gene therapy are so great why don't we know about the deaths of the animal and human trials? Nobody in the thread can tell me why the SPARS document and the 2020-2021 responses are identical like the pandemic was a war-gamed exercise. Instead of bullshit comments about Boris, tell me why I shouldn't take the John Hopkins document seriously. Tell me why that nurse in the video isn't making sense even though she has the data from Moderna and Pfeizer submitted to the FDA. Namecalling is not an argument, you have to deal with the facts.

by Anonymousreply 330Last Tuesday at 5:09 AM

If you'd present some facts, we'd deal with them. All you've done so far is link to the rantings of unhinged lunatics and point us to some FDA documents that you don't seem to realize undercut your case.

by Anonymousreply 331Last Tuesday at 5:16 AM

"Thousands of people die everyday. It was just his time."

Now you're just being stupid.

by Anonymousreply 332Last Tuesday at 5:17 AM

I had a cousin who had okra for the first time, and within three hours died of a stroke.

There is no way you can tell me it was not the okra.

You can tell me how many people have strokes every day. Or that okra has no neurological effect.

All I know is this. He was fine. He ate okra. He died.

These people avoiding the vaccine make perfect sense to me.

by Anonymousreply 333Last Tuesday at 5:36 AM

[quote]Vaxxers are murderers but of course you're too stupid to worry about informed consent.

Nutcase

Over 125 million vaxxed in the US alone and this creepy troll is torquing out here.

DON’T FEED THIS TROLL

by Anonymousreply 334Last Tuesday at 5:37 AM

R333, i had a friend who ate okra once and she . . .

by Anonymousreply 335Last Tuesday at 5:38 AM

331, How is that nurse an unhinged lunatic?

by Anonymousreply 336Last Tuesday at 5:39 AM

Why is Facebook censoring people who have had negative experiences with the virus.

by Anonymousreply 337Last Tuesday at 5:43 AM

R296 Thalidomide was a widely used drug in the late 1950s and early 1960s for the treatment of nausea in pregnant women. It became apparent in the 1960s that thalidomide treatment resulted in severe birth defects in thousands of children.

It feels very soon.. It's a feeling, i made that clear. I also don't live in the USA.

by Anonymousreply 338Last Tuesday at 5:46 AM

R336, generally when people do videos, it is because their argument does not stand up to scrutiny. Especially when the videos are 15 minutes long.

Who is this woman? Do we even know she is a nurse?

If she wrote her information down, it could be easily examined and double checked. But she does it verbally so that unless you take very good notes you cannot check anything out. And you cannot go back to look at the details of what she said, because....well, its a video.

I got through half of it. But I was not in the mood to transcribe for her. She can do it herself if she really has something to say.

by Anonymousreply 339Last Tuesday at 5:49 AM

R327 Time difference probably.

by Anonymousreply 340Last Tuesday at 5:50 AM

Cunts

by Anonymousreply 341Last Tuesday at 8:00 AM

R330 - What a Troll!

by Anonymousreply 342Last Tuesday at 9:51 AM

[quote]Vaxxers are murderers but of course you're too stupid to worry about informed consent.

It appears their murder spree is failing spectacularly.

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by Anonymousreply 343Last Tuesday at 10:57 AM

[quote]It feels very soon.. It's a feeling, i made that clear. I also don't live in the USA.

I’ll bet your mom took Thalidomide, didn’t she.

by Anonymousreply 344Last Tuesday at 4:39 PM

R339 - Or because they are victims of censorship? Did Moderna or Pfeizer make any deaths public? Do you think we as a public received full informed consent on the vaccines?

by Anonymousreply 345Last Tuesday at 6:02 PM

R345 - we sure did. At least when I went to get the first and second doze of the Pfizer vaccine they listed possible side effects and asked if I had allergies, if I have ever had reactions to vaccines before. It was on the consent form. Because I am American, they gave me a form in English. Vietnamese migrant workers in Romania are even given one in their language. Pfizer has done a good job of providing all countries where they export the vaccine all the necessary tools and precautions. Furthermore, everyone is instructed to not leave the site until 30 minutes after the vaccine and forms are provided about what to do in case of pain at the injection site, fever and chills and where to call per region if you have severe symptoms.

by Anonymousreply 346Yesterday at 1:57 AM

I don't ask people if they got the vaccine. I point that I did, and then I throw out a handful of facts to preemptively attack arguments thrown out by religious and/or anti-vaxx nutjobs.

by Anonymousreply 347Yesterday at 2:09 AM

R347 - I don't know about you but at this point I am so sick of the anti-vaxx and religious nutjobs. The one thing I am enjoying here about the lack of being "PC" is that some medical personnel have put out posts all over social media saying "If you lost your job and don't believe in COVID, we will pay you to help clean up and turn COVID patients. Of course, you must do it without masks because, after all, COVID is a lie."

by Anonymousreply 348Yesterday at 2:16 AM

Vaccine skeptics must be shunned and penalized. It depressed the hell out of me to see the vaccination numbers go down every day in my state. If some people want to live by misinformation and indulge their paranoia, fine, but keep them away from me and my loved ones as we try to get back to normal.

by Anonymousreply 349Yesterday at 4:14 AM

I don’t trust the administration.

by Anonymousreply 350Yesterday at 4:36 AM

Thrown off cliffs or flung into outer space

by Anonymousreply 351Yesterday at 4:36 AM

Huge numbers of employees at New York nursing homes still haven’t been vaccinated against COVID-19 — with more than 60 percent of staffers at some city facilities refusing to get the jab, state data shows.

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by Anonymousreply 352Yesterday at 4:47 AM

How are nursing homes, hospitals, etc. permitting employees to work who haven't gotten the shots? My parents are in their 80s and I wouldn't want them going to any facility where the staff wasn't completely vaccinated (fortunately they feel the same way).

by Anonymousreply 353Yesterday at 4:53 AM

Nursing homes, hospitals, emergency responders, and anyone else in a job requiring interactions with vulnerable populations should fire anyone who refuses to get a vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 354Yesterday at 4:55 AM

[quote]How are nursing homes, hospitals, etc. permitting employees to work who haven't gotten the shots?

They're afraid employees would quit if shots were mandated ... and they're already short-staffed.

by Anonymousreply 355Yesterday at 4:58 AM

Then they should incentivize it. It's monstrous that we've got this fantastic vaccine and it's barely doing any good because of these fools; double monstrous that the health profession is full of anti-rationalist paranoiacs.

by Anonymousreply 356Yesterday at 5:01 AM

I wouldn't say the vacs are "barely doing any good". From a May 9 Guardian article:

The daily load of new Covid cases has plummeted with the advent of vaccines in the US, from a seven-day average of more than 250,000 a day in January to the current average of about 43,000. Hospitalisations and deaths are also dramatically down.

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by Anonymousreply 357Yesterday at 5:14 AM

GET YOUR STINKY ASS VAXXED

by Anonymousreply 358Yesterday at 5:16 AM

R345, so making a video avoids the censorship that writing does?

How is that?

If you can post a transcript of her video, I can look at her claims.

by Anonymousreply 359a day ago

My "barely doing any good" was admittedly a hyperbole, but where I live (US) the vaccinated still comprise less than 50% of the population and the vaccination rate plateaued a month ago. If it doesn't pick up and get to 70% or so we won't be able to really get this under control (to the point of dispensing with masks, trusting indoor restaurants, etc.). The infection rate here has gone down, but the danger is still out there.

by Anonymousreply 360a day ago

R360, we also need to know how many have been infected within the last three months or so in order to gauge our move toward herd immunity. We know the numbers of symptomatic to a point because a lot of them get testsed but we don't know the asymptomatic numbers which are probably really high. We'll have to see what the numbers do over the next couple of months to get an idea of the reality of the situation. Hopefully, the dampening of community spread by combining the vaccinated numbers with the infected morons numbers, will be much higher than the vaccinated numbers alone.

I still think people who will not get vaccinated should be ostracized in every way but I have a feeling that profit will keep businesses and organizations from imposing stringent vaccine requirements. I'm in Illinois and we're supposed to open fully (masks still required) on June 11th if everything stays on track and I've heard nothing about any kind of restrictions being placed on the unvaccinated. Hopefully they'll start announcing unvaccinated restrictions soon but, again, I no longer believe that's going to happen. I hate these ignorant fucks.

by Anonymousreply 36120 hours ago

FYI, the link at R167 is from bitchute. Bitchute is the conspiracy theory website used by Qanon cult believers. Qanon cult members believe that every single person that gets a vaccination is going to die within a short period of time. That time keeps changing. At first it was weeks. Then they were saying every vaccinated person would die in five months. Except some people were already vaccinated more than five months ago and they’re still alive. Now they’re saying it will be in a few years. They expect about half the population of earth to die very soon.

Some other things they believe: Hillary Clinton was executed for crimes against humanity and is now a clone. Either Biden was too, or he’s a paid actor, wearing a prosthetic Biden face, while the real Biden is either in Guantanamo Bay, executed, or living in Los Angeles because the military won’t let him in the White House. He gives speeches on a sound stage made up to look like the White House in Los Angeles. Trump is still President. These people have gone into fits of hysterics upon hearing a loved one has been vaccinated, because they believe they’re going to die soon, and when they do, they will be proven right. They also now believe that any vaccinated person is shedding live virus, and any pregnant woman near them will miscarry, anyone else will have their DNA altered and will be sterile, just from being near them. They refuse to have sex with their spouses because they think they will become sterile from sharing body fluids with a vaccines person. Many have thrown vaccinated family members out of the house. Marriages of forty years have broken up over this,

Any time you see a link to bitchute, that person is crazy. There’s no point in debating them, they believe all doctors and scientists don’t know anything about Covid, Alex Jones and quack internet “doctors” do.

by Anonymousreply 36220 hours ago

Crazy cunts, and MORE crazy cunts

by Anonymousreply 36319 hours ago

Origin of Covid - Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

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by Anonymousreply 36419 hours ago

I finally convinced my 50 year-old half sister to get her first shot (Moderna) yesterday. It wasn't easy convincing her. She's not a Trumper or really an anti-vaxxer, she just didn't think she needed it because she doesn't go out much and wears a mask when she did go out. She's not in very good health either. She has some mobility problems, diabetes, and kidney problems (she had that long before she got diabetes though).

by Anonymousreply 36519 hours ago

If there's any conspiracy at work here, it's to kill off and disable as many Americans as possible by persuading them that Covid is a hoax and that doing the things that are most likely to spread it--refusing to get tested or vaccinated--is brave and patriotic.

by Anonymousreply 36619 hours ago

r365, good for you, this next half year will be decided by peoplee like your sister

by Anonymousreply 36718 hours ago

R362, these people are living in the 17th century.

by Anonymousreply 36818 hours ago

R367 I'm glad I persisted since she finally gave in. I think the fact of the increasing number of variants popping up causing easier transmission and them lifting indoor mask mandates here next month (not that it stopped a lot of people here from not wearing them anyway), made her finally see it was in her best interest to get vaccinated. I also pointed out how the vaccine worked and how Moderna and Pfizer were safe to take, and given how frequently she has to go to the doctor (every 6-8 weeks) or if she had some kind of medical emergency (given her health issues, certainly not out of the question) if she would have to go to the emergency room or be hospitalized, it could greatly increase the risk of her becoming infected if not vaccinated.

by Anonymousreply 36918 hours ago

@gelliottmorris Vaccine uptake is rising for Republicans Independents. - 61% of Republicans say they have been or will get jabbed - 52% of Independents (and 87% of Democrats) say the same - Reluctance is at 26%, down by 11 points over the last month

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by Anonymousreply 37014 hours ago

r369, you fucked up bigtime, you just ushered your sister closer to death by MRNA fucking poison in her system, she's gonna catch hell by this time next year if she's still alive.

by Anonymousreply 37113 hours ago

R371 Fuck off, Boris.

by Anonymousreply 37213 hours ago

Is this why the vaccinated people are getting magnets stuck at the site of injection?

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by Anonymousreply 37313 hours ago

It’s the nanoparticles (made of metals) contained in the hydrogel which are within the vials, that have a magnetic beacon....like a tag.....

You take the jab, you get the tag.

by Anonymousreply 37413 hours ago

Does anyone have a link to the mid century MRNA animal studies that found they died of an immune system overreaction after getting the vaccines and then being exposed to a similar virus?

by Anonymousreply 37513 hours ago

A video entitled Dissecting The Vaccine with Dr. Andy. Wakefield. You will not find this video on youtube, facebook, or other file sharing websites as it is being censored heavily. It is a long video at nearly an hour but Dr. Wakefield does an excellent job laying out his view of what is going on with covid.

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by Anonymousreply 37613 hours ago

LMAO at R375. The crazy loon certainly is persistent...

by Anonymousreply 37713 hours ago

⚠️WARNING: The link at R376 set off a malware alert!!! Do not click it ⚠️

by Anonymousreply 37813 hours ago

These anti vaxxers can’t die off soon enough.

by Anonymousreply 37913 hours ago

Indian Health Ambassador and former comedian Vivek got his COVID-19 vaccine live on TV in late April to show everyone how safe it is.

The health ambassador died two days later. Vivekh, an Indian actor and health ambassador for the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, died two days after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine dose earlier this month.

The well-known actor and comedian was admitted to a local hospital on April 16 for cardiac arrest after being vaccinated with Covaxin, an Indian coronavirus vaccine, the day prior. The 59-year-old was brought to the hospital unconscious and underwent a coronary angiogram and angioplasty before his death the following morning, GreatGameIndia reported.

The hospital said that Vivekh suffered acute coronary syndrome with cardiogenic shock and 100% blockage of a blood vessel.

The actor had taken his first dose of Covaxin on Thursday at a televised event with the health secretary of Tamil Nadu to encourage vaccination.

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by Anonymousreply 38013 hours ago

If anyone’s curious what else R380 and her ilk will try to come up with, this list is pretty comprehensive 🤣🤣🤣

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by Anonymousreply 38113 hours ago

Lots of freak trolls

by Anonymousreply 38212 hours ago

[quote]mid century MRNA animal studies that found they died of an immune system overreaction after getting the vaccines and then being exposed to a similar virus

No, somehow I don't think anyone will be finding a link to such a thing, but keep trying.

by Anonymousreply 38311 hours ago

trolly trolly TROLLY!!

by Anonymousreply 38411 hours ago

It's legit. Magnets stick to the site. Vaccinated are told not to get an MRI for at least 10 WEEKS after the vaccination. So presumably it takes 10 weeks for the nanoparticles to disperse through the rest of your body; otherwise your arm would be injured in the MRI.

by Anonymousreply 38511 hours ago

This thread is PACKED with research. To skim through will take you 20 minutes. To understand and read everything linked will take you many hours. Be patient because you will understand more about this virus than 99% of the people out there if you digest this information.

Others research and theories are invited so please add what you can.

I’ve followed and read the BIG thread since early January and unfortunately it has evolved into a general discussion thread about much other than the virus.

OK, so here we go.

Primary discussion and research will be on four aspects.

Herd Immunity.

ADE (Antibody Deficient Enhancement)

Increased Death rates in older populations

Vaccination

Part 1.

I’ve been watching this Virus (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes COVID-19, since early January and have read many research papers and articles on this particular Virus and also other Corona Virus types. I will reveal why other Corona Virus types are important to this discussion later.

All of this has been in my head for a while and I wanted to put my thoughts down in one place.

What I am going to post is going to warp some people’s minds but these are the conclusions I’ve come to about COVID19.

I will discuss “Herd Immunity” and why COVID19 is more lethal in older populations. With this also comes the discussion of a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2.

The term Herd Immunity has been much touted as a way that we as a society can get beyond this virus and start back to a normal life

What if I told you that there is no herd immunity to this virus? At least not in our lifetimes.

What if I told you that there is a mechanism by which SAR-CoV-2 could reinfect and be even more lethal amongst those reinfected than the first infection?

What if I told you that I am doubtful that a vaccine could be developed for this virus with current technologies?

How would this change things for society as a whole?

I will follow up this initial post with the research that has lead me to these conclusions.

by Anonymousreply 38611 hours ago

R385 you are either grossly misinformed or flat out lying.

by Anonymousreply 38711 hours ago

Part 2

Herd Immunity

I’ll just quote this since it is a very touted way for populations to have immunity from various pathogens.

Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a large percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through previous infections or vaccination, thereby providing a measure of protection for individuals who are not immune.[1][2] In a population in which a large proportion of individuals possess immunity, such people being unlikely to contribute to disease transmission, chains of infection are more likely to be disrupted, which either stops or slows the spread of disease.

Simply put, there is no evidence that people can develop herd immunity to COVID19.

There is no research published that shows this to be factual and there is only speculation amongst leaders and news papers touting this.

Think about this for a minute.

There are several Common Cold strains that are Corona Virus’s and that have been in circulation in populations for generations. These same strains reinfect populations every year around the globe.

One of which is known as OC43.

OC43 has been circulating in populations since around 1890 according to this paper.

[link to www.scielo.br]

Why no herd immunity? High mutation rates.

COVID19 has already demonstrated a high mutation rate.

So in short, I have very little belief that Herd Immunity to COVID19 will develop amongst a global population any time soon.

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by Anonymousreply 38811 hours ago

If it is true that one of the spreading versions of Coronavirus has the HIV envelope.

Nobody on earth will have heard immunity to that version of the virus.

by Anonymousreply 38911 hours ago

Part 3

ADE

This is the BIG one in my opinion.

-ADE could explain why there are much higher case fatality rates among older populations.

-ADE could also spell why COVID19 could wipeout everything. And I do mean everything.

-ADE could also mean that no vaccine could be developed for SARS-CoV-2 which is the virus that causes COVID19.

What is ADE?

Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

Antibody-dependent enhancement of virus infection and disease.

“In general, virus-specific antibodies are considered antiviral and play an important role in the control of virus infections in a number of ways. However, in some instances, the presence of specific antibodies can be beneficial to the virus. This activity is known as antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of virus infection.”

by Anonymousreply 39011 hours ago

[quote] Thalidomide was a widely used drug in the late 1950s and early 1960s for the treatment of nausea in pregnant women. It became apparent in the 1960s that thalidomide treatment resulted in severe birth defects in thousands of children. It feels very soon.. It's a feeling, i made that clear. I also don't live in the USA

Your shitty country didn't give a shit about the citizens and loved to approve any and everything. And even when the Thalidomide babies kept being born, they refused to take it off the market until the situation was out of control

We didn't have that Thalidomide problem in America. The FDA wouldn't approve it.

by Anonymousreply 39111 hours ago

I heard the the vaxxes were made from DNA from forced abortions from transgender downs syndrome fetuses from Darfur. It's all a big plot.

by Anonymousreply 39211 hours ago

Part 3 cont:

“In general, virus-specific antibodies are considered antiviral and play an important role in the control of virus infections in a number of ways. However, in some instances, the presence of specific antibodies can be beneficial to the virus. This activity is known as antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of virus infection.”

Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE) of infection and its possible role in the pathogenesis of influenza

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

“Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of viral replication has been documented for viruses, such as dengue virus, Ross river virus, other alpha and flaviviruses, HIV and also influenza virus. ADE occurs when non-neutralised virus-antibody complexes find alternative receptors and routes entry into the cell via the Fc-receptor pathway. ADE has been demonstrated predominantly in macrophages or Fc-receptor bearing cells although other types of cells have also been occasionally implicated (1,2). Thus, viruses may find routes of entry to cells lacking the usual virus receptor.”

And here we have a major issue.

Molecular Mechanism for Antibody-Dependent Enhancement of Coronavirus Entry.

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Part 3 cont'd:

“Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of viral entry has been a major concern for epidemiology, vaccine development, and antibody-based drug therapy. However, the molecular mechanism behind ADE is still elusive. Coronavirus spike protein mediates viral entry into cells by first binding to a receptor on the host cell surface and then fusing viral and host membranes....”

Specifically

Is COVID-19 receiving ADE from other coronaviruses?

“One possible answer is antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) of SARS-CoV-2 due to prior exposure to other coronaviruses. ADE modulates the immune response and can elicit sustained inflammation, lymphopenia, and/or cytokine storm, one or all of which have been documented in severe cases and deaths. ADE also requires prior exposure to similar antigenic epitopes, presumably circulating in local viruses”

And, they know this!

Fauci warned that a vaccine could make the disease worse. I'm trying to find a link for Fauci but you can look it up.

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by Anonymousreply 39411 hours ago

A source for the Fauci statement:

Another Source for Fauci statement.

[link to www.technologyreview.com (secure)]

That’s in part because vaccines can sometime make diseases worse, not better. Hotez says the effect is called “immune enhancement,” and that he saw it with one version of his SARS vaccine, which sickened mice.

In his podcast with JAMA, Fauci cautioned about what could occur if you “get what you think is a vaccine, and just give it to people.” Because vaccine recipients are healthy, there’s not much margin for error: “So we are not going to have a vaccine in the immediate future, which tells us we have to reply on the public measures.”

And this is exactly what you see in past development efforts for other Corona Virus vaccines.

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by Anonymousreply 39511 hours ago

Which county is that R391?

I have a couple of words for you - The Sackler family and OxyContin...

by Anonymousreply 39611 hours ago

Part 4

So, what does ADE mean for vaccine development.

If you read in detail what I’ve posted above, you will understand that vaccine development for SARS-CoV-2 is a perilous endeavor at best and an unattainable goal with our current technology at worst.

This paper highlights just this fact when undertaking the development of SARS-CoV-2 close relative SAR-CoV. To date, there is no vaccine against SARS and this paper demonstrates different avenues that were investigated to develop a vaccine.

I’m quoting one of several statements in this paper about ADE, SARS, and vaccine safety.

SARS Vaccine Development

“The S protein of FIPV expressed by recombinant vaccinia can cause antibody-dependent enhancement of disease if vaccinated animals are subsequently infected with wild-type virus (32). Our previous studies on HIV-1 showed that antibodies against some immunodominant epitopes in the HIV-1 envelope glycoprotein could enhance infection by heterologous HIV-1 strains (33). Most recently, Yang et al. (6) demonstrated that the polyclonal and monoclonal antibodies against S protein of the late SARS-CoV (Urbani strain) could neutralize infection by the relevant late SARS-CoV strains. However, these antibodies enhanced infection by an early human SARS-CoV isolate (GD03T0013) and the civet SARS-CoV–like viruses. “

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by Anonymousreply 39711 hours ago

What does ADE have to do with increased CFR among older populations?

We will go back to this paper.

Is COVID-19 receiving ADE from other coronaviruses?

“ADE modulates the immune response and can elicit sustained inflammation, lymphopenia, and/or cytokine storm, one or all of which have been documented in severe cases and deaths. ADE also requires prior exposure to similar antigenic epitopes, presumably circulating in local viruses, making it a possible explanation for the observed geographic limitation of severe cases and deaths.”

And, here is where it gets interesting.

Everything I’ve posted up to this point has been backed by research and this is where I diverge into the theoretical, although there has been some solid evidence this could be true posted prior to this assertion.

The Common Cold

Repeated prior exposure to other Corona Virus types and the antibodies the immune system has produced over the course of one’s lifetime could be driving these higher death rates.

As mentioned earlier, there are several common colds that are corona viruses.

Older populations have much higher exposure rates and in turn more antibodies to these common cold viruses.

I believe COVID-19 exploits these antibodies through ADE to gain entry at a much higher rate, is more infective, and more lethal due to this mechanism in these older populations.

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What does all of this mean for our future?

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by Anonymousreply 39811 hours ago

Stop it R397.

by Anonymousreply 39911 hours ago

Can someone explain why the coronavirus vaccines failed the first time in 2005? Why did they fail with mRNA vaccine back in 2005, but it works now??? What changed?

by Anonymousreply 40010 hours ago

They tried and failed to produce a vaccine for sars covid 1 and mers for 17 years. Explain this to me, moderna claims they had the sars covid 2 vaccine last January. And I don't know if they were using mrna back with sars and mers. Mrna is experimental technology. It has failed miserably and dangerously in gmo's and the only mrna therapy for humans is only for terminal patients with low quality of life. BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING

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