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Poor Brian Wilson

His music has brought me so much joy but since the late 60s his life has just been tragic. He had a psychotic break trying to compete with The Beatles and was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. Dr. Landry kept him on fistfuls of antipsychotic drugs and limited his social interaction. Dennis died tragically before his years. Carl died of cancer in the 90s. Mike Love wrestled control of The Beach Boys and made Kokomo. I could go on. I consider Brian one of the musical greats on the 20th century along with Chuck Berry and John Lennon. He's still with us, but probably not for long.

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by Anonymousreply 75Last Sunday at 2:52 AM

I love The Beach Boys. So much better than The Beatles imo. It’s a shame Mike Love is such a dick.

by Anonymousreply 105/02/2021

What has Carne been doing?

by Anonymousreply 205/02/2021

The Beach Boys lost their charm after Brian's break. It all began to sound forced.

by Anonymousreply 305/02/2021

Brian was one of the first musicians to arrange and engineer his own music in the 60s and he was barely 20 years of age. The pressures of his abusive father, supporting his entire family, writing, performing, recording, and touring 3 albums per year finally broke him. He turns 80 next year, pretty amazing that despite all he is the last Wilson brother standing.

by Anonymousreply 405/02/2021

Brian Wilson is a genius - a musical genius - and they tend to be a tad eccentric. But he certainly is a great talent.

by Anonymousreply 505/02/2021

[quote] Mike Love wrestled control

The word you were looking for is WRESTED.

by Anonymousreply 605/02/2021

This music video is hilarious and awful at the same time. Brian was obviously forced to do it against his will.

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by Anonymousreply 705/02/2021

What's a good Beach Boys song? They never sounded that great to me, but maybe I never heard the good stuff.

by Anonymousreply 805/02/2021

Love & Mercy was a fantastic movie about his life, focusing on his mental breakdown. Paul Dano was brilliant as the young Wilson and John Cusack was an odd casting choice for his later years.

by Anonymousreply 905/02/2021

R8 The scrapped SMiLE project is the peak of Brain's artistry.

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by Anonymousreply 1005/02/2021

I watched their really early appearances on Ed Sullivan on YouTube recently, and Wilson sounds amazing and looks very sensitive and so determined. In the video footage of the engineering of “Good Vibrations”, Wilson seems in a creative trance. It’s really fascinating.

It’s sad how much of his life got off track because of poor mental health care and treatment. You’re vulnerable if you’re rich, sensitive and trusting.

by Anonymousreply 1105/02/2021

He’s been touring for quite a while now, frequently with al jardine and he has been stable for many, many years. He’s quite active on social media and has seemed to have finally found some kind of peace in his life.

by Anonymousreply 1205/02/2021

Alice Cooper's story of how he introduced Brian to John Lennon:

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by Anonymousreply 1305/02/2021

And LOVE AND MERCY documented his tribulations beautifully.

Watch if you want to see an underappreciated but critically acclaimed gem:

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by Anonymousreply 1405/02/2021

Thanks for the thread, OP.

I’m ashamed to say I lumped the Beach Boys in with Pat Boone without knowing anything about their original song writing or age differences.

by Anonymousreply 1505/02/2021

Since r10 posted the Beach Boys' version of SMiLe, which I agree is the best of the best, I'm going to post this odd little video I happened upon a couple of minutes ago on youtube. Al and Brian sing "Sloop John B" in 2016. It's worth it just for the chimes.

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by Anonymousreply 1605/02/2021

I saw Brian perform Smile with the Wondermints in DC in 2004. [italic]The[/italic] concert of my lifetime. I like the Beach Boys more than any other group, the Beatles, Bruce, anyone.

by Anonymousreply 1705/02/2021

My Brian Wilson story. My best friend and I were at a car wash and we saw Wilson. He's a huge Beach Boys fan but is also aware of his mental problems. Against my advice, he still went up and very calmly said he was a huge fan of his music. Brian was sitting down waiting for his car, drinking a soda. After my friend spoke to him, he emptied his drink on the floor and walked away. The lady who was with him thanked my friend for being his fan but said that he's just very, very shy and uncomfortable around fans.

by Anonymousreply 1805/02/2021

why take a photo of someone without their permission like that, I don't understand those people

by Anonymousreply 1905/02/2021

Completely agree, R19. I find that picture disturbing as well. Especially when it's captioned by calling him "Poor Brian Wilson" and used to discuss what may or may not be mental illness. It's bullshit.

Most people have dined alone in some "low-brow" establishment. That last part is unspoken, but I have no doubt that is the part of the photographer's "story". And then people wonder why celebrities don't want to interact with "fans".

He's a man who decided to go out, and get something to eat.

by Anonymousreply 2005/02/2021

R19 It's not a mean photo. The man is dressed head to toe in Gucci.

by Anonymousreply 2105/02/2021

The whole thing is meant to mock. The photo, the title of this post, the conjecture framed as a sympathetic story.

by Anonymousreply 2205/02/2021

Unclutch, ladies.

by Anonymousreply 2305/02/2021

That video at R7 is an abomination. Simply awful. Hard to believe it even is officially “The Beach Boys”. The lyrics, the rapping, the whole Baywatch rip-off, the tinny synthesized drums. That was the Kokomo era when cynical, money-grubbing, all-time asshole and, of course, Republican Mike Love had taken control of the whole thing. I didn’t think Brian was involved in any of that music, but he does briefly appear in that shitshow video, looking very fat and uncomfortable. God damn, it’s terrible.

by Anonymousreply 2405/02/2021

Wow r7 that was pretty terrible! More evidence of great artists of the 60s and 70s making some terrible decisions in the 80s. This was the same time The Jacksons did 2600 Jackson St., which was equally embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 2505/02/2021

[What has Carne been doing?]

Carne Asada Wilson has been busy hitting up all the taco trucks around LA.

by Anonymousreply 2605/02/2021

Brian Douglas Wilson (born June 20, 1942), turns 79 next month. Reportedly is worth $100 million.

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by Anonymousreply 2705/02/2021

[quote] His music has brought me so much joy but since the late 60s his life has just been tragic.

Elvis died grunting on the can, Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and The Big Bopper died in a plane crash so Waylon Jennings could live and make a movie with Big Bird, John Lennon was shot by a religious fanatic who added insult to injury by sparing Yoko Ono, the Bee Gees started dropping dead almost as soon as Andy Gibb kicked the bucket, Olivia Newton-John needs weed to fight off the same cancer she’s had to deal with for 30 years, Helen Reddy died of dementia on top of every other health problem she had to deal with, Whitney Houston drowned in a bathtub and her daughter died not too long afterwards, Kurt Cobain paid with his life for turning down his gay best friend for Courtney Love, but Brian Wilson had a tragic life? By rock ‘n’ roll standards, he’s doing pretty well if he’s still alive. He outlived his whole family.

Oh, I almost forgot… he was fat, so by DL standards that’s the tragic part. Dennis was the hot one in the Wilson family, but he was the first brother to die.

The most tragic Brian of rock music was Brian Jones. He died young and Keith Richards is still alive and kicking.

by Anonymousreply 2805/03/2021

Adore BW. The Beach Boys were not “so much better” than the Beatles but they are wonderful.

My personal favorite is Heroes and Villains. Here’s Brian performing it. His voice still sounds great.

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by Anonymousreply 2905/03/2021

R28 gave me a laugh with his “sparing Yoko Ono.”

by Anonymousreply 3005/03/2021

Chuck Berry???

by Anonymousreply 3105/03/2021

He is the dunkard.

by Anonymousreply 3205/03/2021

Comparing the Beach Boys to the Beatles is just ludicrous. The Beatles explored many more musical directions than the Beach Boys who at base were a close harmony group which has a certain kind of beauty but also some limitation in terms of what you can do.

It might be fairer to compare them to the Byrds or Buffalo Springfield, or their offshoots. Neither of those bands or their descendants really had much studio-based innovation, unlike the Beach Boys. OTOH, Outside of Brian, the Beach Boys never really developed their musical base in really novel ways. Songs like the execreble "Kokomo" were weak returns to their base, much like the late 80s CSN stuff, but in the 60s and early 70s, the Byrds/Buffalo Springfield ecosystem did all kinds of stuff within a folk-rock idiom. They were the American Beatles, not the Beach Boys.

by Anonymousreply 3305/03/2021

The Beach Boys were a great group and Brian of course was the mastermind. But I won't lie that the absolute worst concert I've ever gone to was Brian Wilson's "Pet Sounds" tour a few years ago. Essentially what we got was a senile decrepit old man who had two people have to help him out onstage and then he sat behind a keyboard staring into space for two hours with the very occasional moment of lucidity, and nothing but off-key singing.

I fully get why the man is a living legend and he sells tickets because people want the chance before he passes away, but nothing prepared me for this. Granted, not every 78 year old can be Mick Jagger or Paul McCartney but it felt like this guy wants to be anywhere except on a concert stage

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by Anonymousreply 3405/03/2021

Brian Wilson had a horrible upbringing. His father was downright insane. I shudder to think what his father did to him because my mind goes a very dark place with that without meaning to deep down. One of the things which has been written of and quoted from by Brian Wilson himself is that his own father one time served him a covered platter for dinner which had human excrement as the main course. Deranged freak his father was. I'd be sitting at a table waiting on my supper by my own self too at the age of 80 and y'all know darned well he probably has a driver waiting for him in the parking lot anyway.

I think Brian Wilson was and is basically a modern day classical music composer who just stayed within the pop music genre. His solid inherit command of different instruments, composition skills for vocals and instrumentation, and recording techniques scream classical but are pop. He should have retired years ago and R34 shows a good example as to why but it's not like he's criminally insane like the late Phil Spector or anything so leave him be I say.

"Kokomo" sucked from start to finish but because of my age I learned who the Beach Boys were from that song and don't regret it. They were a wonderful group!

by Anonymousreply 3505/03/2021

I read an article about him many years back, but after he'd pretty much lost his mind. Someone asked him about his children. When Carne was mentioned he said "she's the fat one, right?".

by Anonymousreply 3605/03/2021

@R8-quote: "What's a good Beach Boys song? They never sounded that great to me, but maybe I never heard the good stuff."

I love this song, but they have many great songs, imo. I do not think they reached the level of the Beatles, but again everyone had their own opinions and musical tastes.

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by Anonymousreply 3705/03/2021

Sorry I misspelled Carnie's name above.

by Anonymousreply 3805/03/2021

[quote]Comparing the Beach Boys to the Beatles is just ludicrous.

Tell it to Brian and Paul, r33.

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by Anonymousreply 3905/03/2021

He likes to tour R34, I saw the same tour and though guarded he was having a great time and his band is great. Al Jardine was with him as was Al’s son Matt who is a great singer. Much better than the Mike Love version of The Beach Boys.

by Anonymousreply 4005/03/2021

Brian Wilson is incredible. Loved his guest appearance on Janelle Monae's last album.

by Anonymousreply 4105/03/2021

This was the best thing they did from the "Kokomo" years:

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by Anonymousreply 4205/03/2021

He was a brilliant composer and ahead of his time. He wrote beautiful harmonies but was permanently damaged by LSD and other drugs that he did in the 60's along with the abuse by his father who was the Beach Boys' manager. It took him years, even decades to recover. I loved the video at R29. It caused me to go down a Beach Boys rabbit hole on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 4305/04/2021

Another shout out to Love and Mercy. Until I watched it, I had no idea what a musical genius Wilson was or that he'd suffered so much mental illness.

by Anonymousreply 4405/04/2021

LSD didn't do the damage. All that junk food did.

by Anonymousreply 4505/04/2021

Schizophrenia is more about crap in the chromosomes.

by Anonymousreply 4605/04/2021

Eating the way he did is like throwing gasoline on a fire.

by Anonymousreply 4705/04/2021

Carnie was in a commercial recently and they hid her behind a piano.

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by Anonymousreply 4805/04/2021

LSD and marijuana can exacerbate pre existing or dormant mental health problems. Syd Barrett, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan and Skip Spence were also casualties of 60s drug culture.

by Anonymousreply 4905/04/2021

He looks like he should be in some senior center putting together puzzles instead of performing on stage. The poor guy is not well cared for if he can't live off the $$ he has in peace.

Whenever I think of Brian Wilson, I think of the scene in "Walk Hard: the Dewey Cox Story" when he makes his Pet Sounds-like album

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by Anonymousreply 5005/04/2021

R35, the story is reversed. It was actually Brian who shat in a plate and gave it to his dad for dinner.

by Anonymousreply 5105/04/2021

Brian is mentally ill - just like his father was.

by Anonymousreply 5205/04/2021

Dennis sure was hot.

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by Anonymousreply 5305/04/2021

Why would he name his daughter Meat?

by Anonymousreply 5405/04/2021

R49: you sound just like Richard Nixon with that narc propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 5505/04/2021

[quote] Why would he name his daughter Meat?

What was he supposed to name her, Fish?

by Anonymousreply 5605/04/2021

R19 Seriously, almost anyone looks pathetic sitting alone in a restaurant booth.

by Anonymousreply 5705/04/2021

R33 I didn't know that Stephen Stills posts on DL.

by Anonymousreply 5805/04/2021

One tends to forget all of the people that contributed to his success and that of the Beach Boys. Producing the albums and dealing with the diva that Brian was was a lot of work. My now dead friend Jack Riley was a producer - like George Martin for the Beatles - for the Beach Boys. He said he was lucky to survive working with Brian - you never knew what was going to happen from one day to the next - even hour to hour in a single day. I wonder how much of Brian's success was Jack's work.

by Anonymousreply 5905/04/2021

R59 Van Dyke Parks was instrumental in shaping Pet Sounds and few people realize that Tony Asher wrote the lyrics to God Only Knows.

by Anonymousreply 6005/04/2021

Van Dyke Parks wrote the lyrics to Smile, r60. Tony Asher was involved with Pet Sounds.

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by Anonymousreply 6105/04/2021

The Smile Sessions, released in 2011. I bought the 2-CD version.

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by Anonymousreply 6205/04/2021

He outlived his distant cousin Flip.

by Anonymousreply 6305/04/2021

Brian Wilson is pretty fucking great.

by Anonymousreply 6405/04/2021

Damn R53

by Anonymousreply 6505/04/2021

Oh, god not this again. Stop with the genius thing. Yea he had a few really good songs but he had more treacly tripe than gems. Sure the harmonies are really good but most are on dull dirgy songs like Caroline No. The songs are old-timey that don't stand the test of time.

by Anonymousreply 6605/04/2021

Dennis was coupled with Christine McVie. She tells of how he tried to make a heart shaped design in her garden. Instead, he ruined her garden, didn't complete the heart and then sent her the bill.

by Anonymousreply 6705/04/2021

R67 He did serenade her with a heart shaped garden of roses. Then he burned her pool house down and sent her the bill for the whole thing, lol.

by Anonymousreply 6805/04/2021

An early sign of Wilson's lack of control came when, as a token of his love for McVie, he hired a team of people to dig up her back garden into a giant heart shape. He was intending to fill the heart-shaped hole with roses, but he never got round to it. "My lawn was now just a big pile of dirt. He had all these people holding a candle around the edge of it, slowly sinking into the mud. Then he got up on the balcony and proposed to me. Then he sent me the bill for the work. I suppose his heart was in the right place."

by Anonymousreply 69Last Wednesday at 7:45 PM

Wow, R34, that was truly painful to listen to. If I'd paid good money for that, I'd be pissed.

by Anonymousreply 70Last Wednesday at 8:43 PM

I saw The Beach Boys in their 50th anniversary tour in Berkeley, California in 2012. From where I was it didn’t seem like Brian was doing much of anything at all.

by Anonymousreply 71Last Thursday at 1:48 AM

80 years olds should NOT be singing.

by Anonymousreply 72Last Thursday at 5:39 AM

R72 I still think Grace Slick was 100% right about elder rock stars:

[quote]"You can do jazz, classical, blues, opera, country until you're 150, but rap and rock and roll are really a way for young people to get that anger out", and, "It's silly to perform a song that has no relevance to the present or expresses feelings you no longer have."

by Anonymousreply 73Last Thursday at 6:01 AM

[quote]80 years olds should NOT be singing.

Not only that but Brian never evolved as a songwriter. His melodies are all those 60's teen throwbacks.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Sunday at 2:19 AM

For [R8] --- "In My Room" -- their gorgeous harmonies. Have always loved this song from back when I lived in 'my room' at my parents' house.

Also: 'Don't Worry Baby'

Both short and hella sweet

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by Anonymousreply 75Last Sunday at 2:52 AM
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