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What is northern England like?

Obviously we hear a lot about London but what about the northern cities? Newcastle upon Tyne? Leeds, Sheffield? Blackpool?

by Anonymousreply 284a day ago

You might have more fun if you keep going north.

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by Anonymousreply 105/01/2021

Shit holes from what I've heard from Brits.

by Anonymousreply 205/01/2021

Does sizemeat increase as one moves north? Otherwise a non starter.

by Anonymousreply 305/01/2021

It's grim, OP.

by Anonymousreply 405/01/2021

R2 in the Domesday book, swathes of the North are referred to merely as ‘waste(land)’.

by Anonymousreply 505/01/2021

Isn’t it Billy Elliot territory?

by Anonymousreply 605/01/2021

The countryside is better than the south with the Lake district and the Pennines. Also the booze is cheap. Lots of poverty though its never really recovered from the decline of heavy industry.

by Anonymousreply 705/01/2021

My grandfather was from a little place in the middle of Northumberland called Kirkwhelpington. I took a little trip out there and it was very beautiful. The river Wansbeck (?) was tiny, but pretty. I ran into the local "lady of the manor" and she took me on a tour of her grand home nearby. A very memorable trip. Kind of wish they hadn't left there and come to the US.

by Anonymousreply 805/01/2021

It's grim oop north

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by Anonymousreply 905/01/2021

They talk funny up there. And there isn't enough diversity.

by Anonymousreply 1005/01/2021

I've heard they only wash their bedding once a year.

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by Anonymousreply 1105/01/2021

The Full Monty took place in Sheffield and that was depressing as hell looking. In fact, many of those British productions all look like they were filmed in shit holes. I stopped watching Hinterland because it was depressing looking.

by Anonymousreply 1205/01/2021

There's a song about it.

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by Anonymousreply 1305/01/2021

eeeeEYYEEA of course we hear a lot about London, OP la. S’where all the money goes, isn’t ih?

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by Anonymousreply 1405/01/2021

Frankly, the appeal of places like Newcastle is that they're not awash in the nonsensical demand for diversity. They're still authentically English. And it has some architecture worth seeing. The accent is one of the most loved in England. I'm rather fond of it. Think Pittsburgh in America.

Diversity is not the alpha and omega of human society.

There are quite a few places in the world that are interesting precisely because they aren't just another multikulti mess driven by identity politics. You know, like Japan?

Newcastle is refreshingly. . . English, as opposed to just British.

Whilst not in the Tyne area, all eyes will be on the Hartlepool by-election on 6 May, part of the Red Wall that crumbled in December 2020, bit it is in the northeast, a Labour stronghold - only the Tories have a 7pt lead. I wouldn't call it done and dusted, but even if Labour hold the seat, if it's even close, it tells you something about how the north feels about you fucking metro elites who complain about the area nor being "diverse" enough.

Stay in London if that's all you want.

by Anonymousreply 1505/01/2021

[quote]Diversity is not the alpha and omega of human society.

Agreed.

by Anonymousreply 1605/01/2021

It gave us Sean Bean.

by Anonymousreply 1705/01/2021

“ Diversity is not the alpha and omega of human society.”

Amen 🙌

by Anonymousreply 1805/01/2021

Newcastle - buy now pay later

Everton - lol

Liverpool - screeching hyenas

ManCity - silent hyenas

ManUtd - touCHY!

Salford - class of who cares

SheffUtd -3-6-9 Brexit Formation

Leeds - Adidas “will this do?” design dept.

Derby County - bastard accent

Nottingham Forest - fail the eye test

Blackburn - massive

Burnley - BDL

by Anonymousreply 1905/01/2021

A pic of rural Northumberland.

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by Anonymousreply 2005/01/2021

My grandfather's family comes from Nottinghamshire. It's only Midlands, not northern England.

BTW, it may be an insular area. Whenever I've met another Booth, they willingly discuss the family, etc. When a Booth called me to discuss my grandfather's family in Cuba, I contacted the Booth mothership in Nottingham. They responded in a curt email stating there were no Booths in Cuba! Hello, yes, some got there!

(You would think they would be at least interested.)

by Anonymousreply 2105/01/2021

Manchester is complicated as the City itself isn't very large (about 47sq miles), Greater Manchester which encompasses 10 of the surrounding towns and Cities is 493 sq miles and has a population of about 3 million.

There aren't really any gaps between the surrounding boroughs. As with most Cities it looks better from a great height.

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by Anonymousreply 2205/01/2021

"Take me away from all this....DEATH....except for Manchester".

by Anonymousreply 2305/01/2021

In the North all seems to breathe freedom and peace and to make one forget the world and its sad turmoils.

by Anonymousreply 2405/01/2021

R19, if you're shoving Derby and Nottingham into the North, why stop there? You could put in Cornwall and Jersey while you're at it.

by Anonymousreply 2505/02/2021

The hillbilly English people scare the shit out of me.

by Anonymousreply 2605/02/2021

There is wonderful landscape (Lakes, Peak District, Pennines, along Hadrian's Wall), great medieval cathedrals (York, Durham, Carlisle), elegant spa towns (Harrogate, Buxton), grand 19th century cities like Manchester and Leeds with lots of culture (theatres, orchestras, art galleries, museums); spectacular country houses (e.g. Chatsworth) - easily as much to see and do as any dozen US states put together.

by Anonymousreply 2705/02/2021

Hadrian's Wall does seem interesting

by Anonymousreply 2805/02/2021

[quote]I stopped watching Hinterland because it was depressing looking.

It's a mixture of depressing & amazingly beautiful; it doesn't help that the lead detective has a face like a basset hound

That said, I've always had this fantasy about buying some farm in the Yorkshire Dales & having big groups of sheep that roam all over the place, only to discover that a guy that looks just like James Norton is my vicar. Well, I'm going to church now!

This is no doubt a product of watching too much PBS, but it's still a lovely idea

by Anonymousreply 2905/02/2021

r5 Most places do tend to be pretty empty after mass genocide

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by Anonymousreply 3005/02/2021

I was in Swale-Dales one sunny day on a car tour and came across the filming of an episode of All Creatures Great and Small. It was Guy Fawkes Day, and bon fires lit up the hillsides through the night on my way back to Sheffield -- a memorable birthday in 1990.

by Anonymousreply 3105/02/2021

Blackpool is where it's at!

by Anonymousreply 3205/02/2021

I’ve been binging on Time Team since Covid and am planning a trip to tour the Roman ruins like Hadrian’s wall Vindolanda, some of the Villas. It’s fascinating stuff. My ancestors were mostly from roxburgheshire and York. I would love to rent a Miata and drive to Scotland, but I’m too afraid I would fuck up with driving on the wrong side of the road.

by Anonymousreply 3305/02/2021

Have any of you been to the Orkney Islands in North Scotland? It looks beautiful and I'm curious about the people there.

by Anonymousreply 3405/02/2021

R34, as far as I can remember, an American family has been resident on remote Fair Isle for a while now. It has a website. It is a bit of a stretch to call a group of the Scottish islands "northern England", however.

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by Anonymousreply 3505/03/2021

Are Northern women pleasant and honest? Every single Southern English woman I've met, known or dealt with has been a raging cunt. Dishonest, self-absorbed, passive aggressive as hell, completely phony and just as nasty as can get. Especially the middle and upper middle class bitches from the South of England. They must be the nastiest, most evil humans on the planet. Bitch cunts, every single one of them.

by Anonymousreply 3605/03/2021

R36 fucking hell, where exactly did you go to meet all these women? If your experience was anything like mine, you must have been in been Greater London, or one of the Home Counties (I lived in Kent for a bit, never again).

Can’t speak for the South or the North, but in the West we locals are generally friendly, unassuming, generous and fairly upfront. You get the nasty rude snooty types, women and men, but most of them are New Money townies who want to mock up an ersatz Town & Country lifestyle. The unspoken provincial code is to be hospitable and easygoing where at all possible.

There again, most English people are not outgoing or forthright in their friendliness as some Americans expect or would like. You have to adjust for the national standard, and the character of the country.

by Anonymousreply 3705/03/2021

Skip England and vacay in Scotland.

by Anonymousreply 3805/03/2021

R37, you guessed correctly. I lived in Southwest London, Surrey and Berks for years.

by Anonymousreply 3905/03/2021

As a generalisation, most northerners are far friendlier, but more blunt than southerners. Culturally (as a Scot), I think people of places like Liverpool or Newcastle are more like the people of Glasgow or Dundee than they are like the people of the Home Counties (but, then, Edinburgh has a lot more in common with Hampshire and Surrey). Generally, northern England has been more industrial than the south (coal-mining, textiles, shipbuilding) and a lot of that wealth was extracted from the regions and centralised in London. It means that when the industries left, the wealth quickly disappeared too.

Most of the north of England suffered from severe economic shock during the eighties and nineties, and some of the smaller towns have still not recovered, but the big cities like Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle are great places to visit, and a lot of money has been poured into the Arts in those places. There are also smaller places which are still relatively untouristed but well worth a visit, such as Lancaster and the coastal towns.

The countryside is spectacular: the Yorkshire dales, the Lake District, Northumberland. For such a small island with a relatively large population, it’s a miracle that so much of the UK countryside is unspoiled.

by Anonymousreply 4005/03/2021

Veritable shithole.

All that matters in the UK are the Home Counties, apparently.

by Anonymousreply 4105/03/2021

[quote]What is northern England like?

There are more blonde people there than the rest of England.

by Anonymousreply 4205/03/2021

R39 ah, yes, that makes sense.

There’s a reason Harry Potter’s aspirant and abusive Muggle family were local to Surrey...

by Anonymousreply 4305/03/2021

The further North you go, the more difficult the regional accents are for Americans to understand.

by Anonymousreply 4405/03/2021

You're right, R35, I meandered off location. Thanks for the tip; I'm going to poke around and see if the family has a blog.

by Anonymousreply 4505/03/2021

[quote] The further North you go, the more difficult the regional accents are for Americans to understand.

Tip: the pitch of their voices climb higher in proportion to their levels of anger.

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by Anonymousreply 4605/03/2021

Watch the "Likely Lads," a sixties Britcom about two men (actually played by actors ten years older than they should be) in Northern England trying to live the life of Swinging London in the sixties

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by Anonymousreply 4705/03/2021

Gollum and the evil one snuck up and crept away with her-er, her-er, her-er, her-er yeah

by Anonymousreply 4805/03/2021

r38 With the exception of Edinburgh which has found its niche as a slightly less expensive London (with about as many southerners) the lowlands aren't that different from Northern England. Its wet, its post industrial, lots terraced houses, and everyone' including the children are slightly drunk. The highlands are beautiful though.

by Anonymousreply 4905/03/2021

As an American, I was in a little place called Alnwick, Northumberland (which has an amazing castle) and a little old man with a long beard started talking to me. I couldn't understand one word he said!

by Anonymousreply 5005/03/2021

You mean THIS sort of accent!

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by Anonymousreply 5105/03/2021

It’s like the south of England, only higher up

by Anonymousreply 5205/03/2021

Manchester, Liverpool, Sheffield have never recovered their days of glory around the turn of the 20th century. All continue to look and feel depressed, especially if you compare with London. The countryside can be very beautiful Up North. Some towns like Lytham St Annes, Harrogate, Buxton have a genteel sheen to them.

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by Anonymousreply 5305/03/2021

Soul music was huge there in the 70s

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by Anonymousreply 5405/03/2021

In need of stimulus

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by Anonymousreply 5505/03/2021

R54 Northern Soul shuffle dance looks so much fun to do. Wonder if it’s easy for a beginner? I’d love to learn.

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by Anonymousreply 5605/03/2021

R15 is right. Same as when you go to Cairo to see the pyramids, you don't want to see a Pizza Hut staring back at you. You want Eqyptian food. Globalization and the McDonalding of the world takes something from culture.

There are places where it can be multicultural and there are places like villages in the Amazon where you want to see their culture, not Giselle Bundchen.

Not every place has to be the same. That's world diversity.

by Anonymousreply 5705/03/2021

R51 you’re mistaken; that’s an extremely thick Gloucestershire accent. Southwestern bumpkin’s brogue.

It’s the British equivalent of a something like a Kentucky or Iowa farmer accent.

by Anonymousreply 5805/03/2021

They’re a lot like North Macedonia, the Russian federation & Mauritania. Lots of farms.

by Anonymousreply 5905/03/2021

‘OW is that ANY of your FOOKIN’ business, OP?

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by Anonymousreply 6005/03/2021

La grande, l'incomparable Lily Savage

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by Anonymousreply 6105/03/2021

Watch Coronation Street OP, that pretty accurate. I believe it's meant to take place near Manchester.

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by Anonymousreply 6205/03/2021

They leave [the] articles out of all their sentences, at least on LAST TANGO IN HALIFAX.

by Anonymousreply 6305/03/2021

[quote]Hadrian's Wall does seem interesting

Hadrian was my role model.

by Anonymousreply 6405/03/2021

I'd love to spend like three or four months in Britain and just visit EVERYWHERE, but I think that, even with its superior railway system, it would be challenging for an American to get around unless he is braver than I and willing to learn to drive on the left.

by Anonymousreply 6505/03/2021

[quote] They leave [the] articles out of all their sentences, at least on LAST TANGO IN HALIFAX.

They add the (abridged) article to the previous word, as in'T Last Tango in Halifax. Sometime it's inaudible.

by Anonymousreply 6605/03/2021

In 1982 I ordered a gin and tonic in a pub in Kingston upon Hull but that didn't work out. They had little fishing boats in the harbor in those days, before the hecatomb which was the Common Fisheries Policy.

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by Anonymousreply 6705/03/2021

In 1985 a straight friend and I, both from London, went into a pub in Warwick for lunch and were immediately ushered by the landlord away from the bar and into a separate dining room, away from the locals who (I assume) the landlord thought might start muttering about 'southerners.' On that day Shirley Williams was having a meeting upstairs in the pub and on her way up she looked in on my friend and me and glared at us; I don't know why she glared, we weren't even fucking or anything. Purists may carp that Warwick is not truly the North, but my experience shows otherwise.

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by Anonymousreply 6805/03/2021

R22, even from this height Manchester doesn't look good.

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by Anonymousreply 6905/03/2021

Mohammed Imran Ali Akhtar, 37.

Asif Ali, 33.

Tanweer Ali, 37.

Salah Ahmed El-Hakam, 39.

Nabeel Kurshid, 35

Iqlak Yousaf, 34.

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by Anonymousreply 7005/03/2021

[quote] Hadrian was my role model. —DJT

Who was your Antinous, DJT?

by Anonymousreply 7105/03/2021

Manchester supposedly has a vibrant gay scene around Canal Street.

by Anonymousreply 7205/03/2021

Yes, bashers throw gays into the Canal.

by Anonymousreply 7305/03/2021

R70 it took the police 20 years to do anything about the Muslim sex gangs preying on local non-Muslim girls; because police worried about the bad optics.

by Anonymousreply 7405/03/2021

SPARKLE HARKLE MEAGAIN

by Anonymousreply 7505/03/2021

Put it this way, in the North if you rape a 13yo you will be largely excused if you are a Muslim. Affirmative action guys.

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by Anonymousreply 7605/03/2021

Member of Parliament Keith "Make me your bitch" Vaz seems to disagrees that 'white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought'

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by Anonymousreply 7705/03/2021

I'm surprised by all the negativity. I used to live in Yorkshire. It was paradise. It's very green because it rains a lot. You sometimes have to stop in the middle of the highway to wait for the sheep to cross the road, and there were so many wonderful historic places to visit. The locals call everyone "luv" and their accent is charming. I wish I still lived there.

by Anonymousreply 7805/03/2021

R78 is a sucker for God's Own Country, which is what Yorkshire folk call the county.

by Anonymousreply 7905/03/2021

God's Own Country was fiction. That unskilled, misfit couple would be bankrupt within a year

by Anonymousreply 8005/03/2021

A U.S. analogue might be the region of western New York State, western Pennsylvania and northern Ohio. Areas with significant natural beauty, but economically hard pressed for the past 40+ years. Cold climate. Larger cities - Rochester NY, Pittsburgh PA, Cleveland OH - still have a degree of urban presence, and smaller ones are, for the most part, still reeling from the loss of manufacturing and mining jobs, and suffering population declines. Think Elmira, NY or Altoons, PA. There remains a very strong rural/agricultural presence. that is an important part of the regional economy The political mindset is increasingly conservative, though the U.K. has to its benefit a much more generous social and health programme than the U.S.

I think the TV show Last Tango in Halifax does a good job of showing both the positives and negatives of life in the North of England. It's worth watching if you want a sense of how people live there.

by Anonymousreply 8105/03/2021

R81 That might be a satisfactory comparison but Britain has to deal with the White Man's Burden of being a former empire.

Britain now has to play host to millions from the former colonies choosing to enjoy Britain's generosity.

(For instance a couple from Cameroon get a free house for their eight children in Luton.)

by Anonymousreply 8205/03/2021

God's Own Country The phrase is also, and perhaps most famously, used to describe Yorkshire, England's largest county.[15][16][17] This is used interchangeably with "God's Own County".[18][19][20]

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by Anonymousreply 8305/03/2021

That Wiki says eight different countries claim to be 'God's Own'.

I think it's a worthless claim if so many Godless people claim it.

by Anonymousreply 8405/03/2021

Pretty much everyone in the UK is 'Godless' by US standards, only 1% of people go to church, and a third of those are over 70.

by Anonymousreply 8505/03/2021

Wasn't the recent version of "All Creatures Great and Small" filmed somewhere in the north of England?

The countryside was beautiful, though I am aware that could have been due to a particularly skillful cinematographer.

by Anonymousreply 8605/03/2021

[quote] Pretty much everyone in the UK is 'Godless' by US standards, only 1% of people go to church, and a third of those are over 70.

Unless you opt out you are Church of England in England, that also goes for Yorkshire which thinks it really is the Promised Land.

by Anonymousreply 8705/03/2021

R86 Yorkshire. James Heriot was the vet in Thirsk, North Yorkshire. His former practice is a museum. I own racehorses that are stabled near there.

by Anonymousreply 8805/03/2021

[quote] I own racehorses that are stabled near there.

Welcome back, your late majesty.

by Anonymousreply 8905/03/2021

R87 The North-West of England is one of the last Catholic strongholds in the UK due to the considerable Irish Immigration, nobody goes to those church's either.

by Anonymousreply 9005/03/2021

[quote] God's Own Country

God = Muhammud.

Islam = Submission.

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by Anonymousreply 9105/03/2021

[quote] those church's either

Oh dear R90

by Anonymousreply 9205/03/2021

Newcastle has a fine river with plenty of Victorian bridges and Victorian buildings in the town centre. Sheffield is surrounded by some of the most beautiful scenery in the UK - the Peak District. Climbers like to live there. The real shit holes are places like Coventry, Birmingham, Leicester and Bradford. Ugly towns with no history.

by Anonymousreply 9305/03/2021

Newcastle-under-Lyme or Newcastle upon Tyne or some other place R93, nincompoop.

by Anonymousreply 9405/03/2021

Leicester is great R93.

Up the Foxes!

by Anonymousreply 9505/03/2021

R95 Leicester is another Islamic den of abuse.

by Anonymousreply 9605/03/2021

THEY want to be in England but only on their terms.

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by Anonymousreply 9705/03/2021

Leicester is a great city. Love living here.

by Anonymousreply 9805/03/2021

R98 = ayatollah

by Anonymousreply 9905/03/2021

R98 Do you hear The Muezzin four times a day?

Do you have no-go areas?

by Anonymousreply 10005/03/2021

Hey R100 it's five times a day, you have no idea gurl.

[quote] the "call to prayer" has to be done loudly and at least five times a day.

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by Anonymousreply 10105/03/2021

It's almost heaven. Like West Virginia.

by Anonymousreply 10205/03/2021

[quote]Pretty much everyone in the UK is 'Godless' by US standards, only 1% of people go to church, and a third of those are over 70.

So all of those TV shows with quaint villages where everyone knows the vicar -- that's all fake?

by Anonymousreply 10305/03/2021

Hey R100 if you're a man there are no no-go areas in Britannistan; I was slightly taken aback with all the Muslims praying in the streets stopping the traffic but I didn't feel that I was in any danger from the prayers all of whom were on their individual carpets in the open air with their faces on the ground.

by Anonymousreply 10405/03/2021

[quote] So all of those TV shows with quaint villages where everyone knows the vicar -- that's all fake?

The CoE has a statutory duty as State Church to provide certain services. For instance if a Muslim couple wish to get married in church they can: the vicar is a state official and will certify them married according to the law although I assume not accordingly to the law of the Church.

by Anonymousreply 10505/03/2021

[quote] the vicar

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by Anonymousreply 10605/03/2021

I prefer the dishy Vicar in Hyacinth's neighborhood.

by Anonymousreply 10705/03/2021

Hyacinth is dead.

The Church of England churches are empty.

Approximately 30 Church of England churches are declared closed for regular public worship each year.

by Anonymousreply 10805/03/2021

Did an overnight in Manchester about 10 years ago. Interesting architecture, food was expensive (I think the pound was quite high at the time), couldn't understand a damn word anybody said.

by Anonymousreply 10905/03/2021

It's the home of Pam the Northern Powerhouse!

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by Anonymousreply 11005/03/2021

I found Manchester to be very friendly and easy going while still having a big city vibe. The pace of life is slower than London. But Liverpool, however, was a horrible place full of violent, dangerous drunks and aggressive panhandlers. It's a mean, violent city. Has a kind of grim, desperate vibe. The Beatles historical sites are all I would ever go there for. However, I must say I did meet a couple native Scousers who were funny and amiable. Sober, of course.

by Anonymousreply 11105/03/2021

[quote] Did an overnight in Manchester about 10 years ago.

No pronoun. You might as well start with, "So." That's you R109 from Ignoranus.

by Anonymousreply 11205/03/2021

[quote]Hyacinth is dead.

I beg your pardon?

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by Anonymousreply 11305/03/2021

Gary Neville is definitely DILF material.

by Anonymousreply 11405/03/2021

R112 You need to know that R109 is replicating the argot of Nathaniel Winkle

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by Anonymousreply 11505/03/2021

[quote] Did an overnight in Manchester about 10 years ago. Interesting architecture, food was expensive (I think the pound was quite high at the time), couldn't understand a damn word anybody said.

She sounds like some minor queen from Craggy Island.

by Anonymousreply 11605/03/2021

Hey R115 we can do without the argot of Nathaniel Winkle.

by Anonymousreply 11705/03/2021

I visited York not long before the pandemic struck, and I really want to go back again. It’s the ideal small city, full of history, with a beautiful historic centre filled with interesting shops and museums. The winding medieval streets leading up to the Minster are filled with cafes, bookshops and antique shops.

The people who live there would be justified in feeling overwhelmed by the number of tourists, but they were incredibly open and friendly. It’s on my list of places to visit once the world is mask-free again.

by Anonymousreply 11805/03/2021

I did my family tree and found that my surname originates from the north of England, and that a good chunk of my paternal ancestors were from the Northumberland region. There is a knightly manor there that is connected to my family, apparently. I know from photographs that the country is beautiful, though, as others have pointed out, northern England is known for being gloomy and poverty-stricken; I imagine it's culturally similar to the rust belt of the U.S., except with weather like the Pacific Northwest (I grew up in rainy Oregon, and I always liked the weather—perhaps it's in my blood). At some point my ancestors traveled south, as I have a great-grandfather (my 11th, if I remember correctly) who graduated from Cambridge.

by Anonymousreply 11905/03/2021

[QUOTE] Newcastle-under-Lyme or Newcastle upon Tyne or some other place [R93], nincompoop.

I can tell you're not British. Everyone here means the city of Newcastle on Tyne when they say 'Newcastle'. The other little town is irrelevant and rarely mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 12005/04/2021

[QUOTE] I was slightly taken aback with all the Muslims praying in the streets stopping the traffic but I didn't feel that I was in any danger from the prayers all of whom were on their individual carpets in the open air with their faces on the ground.

This doesn't happen in countries like Turkey and Egypt, let alone in the UK, you fucktard. Hope you're being sarcastic.

by Anonymousreply 12105/04/2021

York is beautiful, as is Durham and, further south, the parts of Lincoln near the huge cathedral. Hull, Grimsby and Scunthorpe live up to their names - all dire. Scarborough is run down but worth a visit for the cliffs and beaches. Doncaster, Retford, Wakefield - all grim.

by Anonymousreply 12205/04/2021

[quote] I was slightly taken aback with all the Muslims praying in the streets stopping the traffic

The streets of Paris are being imposed upon

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by Anonymousreply 12305/04/2021

[quote]Sheffield is surrounded by some of the most beautiful scenery in the UK - the Peak District. Climbers like to live there. The real shit holes are places like Coventry, Birmingham, Leicester and Bradford. Ugly towns with no history.

Sheffield is notable for being one of the few towns even uglier than Birmingham. Coventry was unfortunate in having been flattened during WW2 and Birmingham has a shit ton of history despite hosting some of the worst town planners in Christendom. As for the Peak district, I think you will find the scenery bleak rather than beautiful. There is nothing much to see when you are sufficiently above seal level that your ears pop and trees refuse to grow. See also all the moorlands.

by Anonymousreply 12405/04/2021

*sea level but also very few seals around.

by Anonymousreply 12505/04/2021

[quote] Coventry was unfortunate in having been flattened during WW2

And then it was replaced a new city centre.

It was a Futuristic new city centre— as modern as Tomorrow!

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by Anonymousreply 12605/04/2021

Feeling very vindicated that the bastard who picked on me in highschool ended up going to Uni in Coventry for a bullshit psychology degree and then getting a middle-management job in Birmingham so he could support his homely preggers Frau. Have a nice life, dickhead.

by Anonymousreply 12705/04/2021

R85 Don't worry. The Muslims are gonna breed non stop and 10-20% of the UK population will be Muslims in 20-30 years time. Just take a look and France and you will have an idea what the UK will be like in the future.

by Anonymousreply 12805/04/2021

Britons used to proclaim that they helped the 'underdog'.

The dogs are breeding and they will soon eat the Britons.

by Anonymousreply 12905/04/2021

Is the north where people use words like "nowt" and "summat" and use "were" instead of "was"?

by Anonymousreply 13005/04/2021

Aye, R130

by Anonymousreply 13105/04/2021

Sheffield is where "The Full Monty" was set, wasn't it?

by Anonymousreply 13205/04/2021

We had fun at Leeds.

by Anonymousreply 13305/04/2021

When you go to the dictionary to look up "nativist reactionary", R15 is given as an example.

by Anonymousreply 13405/04/2021

Had three aunts in Wolverhampton who I went to visit regularly in the 80s. Depressing and since totally changed from Irish immigrants to Pakistani immigrants, but some nice outlying areas. I think Hyacinth was from that area, right?

by Anonymousreply 13505/04/2021

R135 Liam Payne is from Wolverhampton, and is considered by the local metric to be solidly middle-class.

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Alabama North.

by Anonymousreply 13705/04/2021

I live in a northern town on the outskirts of Greater Manchester, and most large towns are divided along ethnic lines (either white, or Pakistani/Bangladeshi). What is surprising is that there are now lots and lots of recent immigrants and asylum seekers from Africa. I just don’t know what the government is thinking by sticking them in high rise blocks in the poorest towns in the country. Northerners are not friendlier than southerners in my experience, but they are funnier. As depressing as my town can be I do feel lucky to live so close to Manchester which has a fantastic gay village.

by Anonymousreply 13805/04/2021

R81 R137 I always thought that the better equivalency to the US was Northern England = The American South. (minus the hollowed out post-industrial economics which are more like the US Rust Belt). But in Britain where your accent used to immediately "place you" in the social classes, I always thought the Northern accent(s) were perceived like the southern drawl is in the US - no matter what your economic status or education level the Northern accent placed you as dumb, uneducated, and racist. Native Brits, is this not true...?

And the rabid racists on this thread... jeez, let's put you back in the 11th century ("these fookin' Normans are raping out children and takin' all our land!! Fook them!")

by Anonymousreply 13905/04/2021

[quote]I live in a northern town on the outskirts of Greater Manchester, and most large towns are divided along ethnic lines (either white, or Pakistani/Bangladeshi).

Why Pakistani/Bangladeshi and not Indians? Are they more assimilated?

by Anonymousreply 14005/04/2021

York is the only place in England where I had someone (a young lady at a restaurant) unable to understand my American accent. She had to get someone else to come and take my order.

by Anonymousreply 14105/04/2021

I visited York too R118 over a bank holiday weekend; it is a beautiful city, full of history (and tourists & people partying over the holiday weekend), but it had a considerable homeless problem and had trash piling up everywhere. If I went again, I'd spend more time in the Yorkshire countryside.

by Anonymousreply 14205/04/2021

r140 They tend to be more middle class. Also they drink alcohol which is one of our main cultural activities up here And there's just a lot less Indian immigrants in general. And the ones that are around tend to despise Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. I seem to remember a few actually joined the BNP back in the mid 2000s.

by Anonymousreply 14305/04/2021

Are grooming gangs present in each city?

by Anonymousreply 14405/04/2021

The highlight of my trip up North was Castle Howard in Yorkshire, well worth a visit!

by Anonymousreply 14505/04/2021

1989*

by Anonymousreply 14605/04/2021

Hings hae nought been th'same since t'Normans arrived.

by Anonymousreply 14705/04/2021

[quote]I always thought that the better equivalency to the US was Northern England = The American South. (minus the hollowed out post-industrial economics which are more like the US Rust Belt). But in Britain where your accent used to immediately "place you" in the social classes, I always thought the Northern accent(s) were perceived like the southern drawl is in the US - no matter what your economic status or education level the Northern accent placed you as dumb, uneducated, and racist.

That's nonsensical. The equivalence is Northern England and the industrial Midwest. It's true though that the telltale accent of the working class Midwesterners are perceived by the coastal elites as indicative of being dumb, uneducated and racist.

by Anonymousreply 14805/04/2021

'And the rabid racists on this thread.'

Klan Grannies are on all the threads where they think there's an opportunity to make a racist remark.

by Anonymousreply 14905/04/2021

R148 That's nonsensical. The working class Midwestern accent (Iowa, Chicago, Ohio) is, in fact, the standard "classless" accent of the US in general, and predominates in all West Coast accents.

by Anonymousreply 15005/04/2021

They have all their teeth out at 21 or 22 and get dentures.

by Anonymousreply 15105/04/2021

R151 Well, that explains the unintelligible accents then.... toothless with bad dentures.

by Anonymousreply 15205/04/2021

[quote]That's nonsensical. The working class Midwestern accent (Iowa, Chicago, Ohio) is, in fact, the standard "classless" accent of the US in general

You're a moron if you think that a Chicago accent is the standard U.S. accent.

by Anonymousreply 15305/04/2021

Friday prayers in Newcastle: you can't drive because traffic is brought to a halt by Muslims praying in the streets. The mosques are not big enough.

by Anonymousreply 15405/04/2021

R153 There are numerous and unique accents in Chicago... but the WASP Standard English of Chicago became, in mid-twentieth century, the foundational argot of CA and West Coast standard English and the "media" standard, c.f. BBC Brit-speak. Of course "standard" English is problematic as a concept. The original point was that the "Northern" accents of England had some equivalency to the "Southern drawls" in the US

[quote]there is a well described dialect known as General American, which is also known as Standard American English, although many object to the title for the reason given in the first paragraph. George Phillip Krapp first named the dialect and described it as "Western...but not local in character." Later work added Northwestern, Midland American, and even California dialect (thanks to Hollywood's proliferation in the media). Nowadays, General American is understood to be the speech which does not fall under the following regional accents:

Eastern New-England (esp. Boston) The American South New York City And the following regional dialects which have more recently been excluded from General American:

Mid-Atlantic (including New England) Western Pennsylvania Inland North (Great Lakes area)

by Anonymousreply 15505/04/2021

r155, you can't baffle anyone into believing the BS that the Chicago accent is the standard U.S. accent.

by Anonymousreply 15605/04/2021

[quote] The other little town is irrelevant and rarely mentioned.

Whippersnapper at R120.

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by Anonymousreply 15705/05/2021

Neighbours at Radcliffe-On-Trent in Nottinghamshire

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by Anonymousreply 15805/05/2021

R158 That is why educated Indians all speak English.

by Anonymousreply 15905/05/2021

I was in the Lake District in 1984. I thought it was lush and beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 16005/05/2021

R148 The only things that I'd disagree with is that the North of England is in any way Industrial, that was destroyed in the 1980's over 30 years ago. We have more people working in IT than in factories.

The part of England that is perceived to be the most racist is the South-West (Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc) as they haven't ever had sizeable ethnic communities.

by Anonymousreply 16105/05/2021

'Friday prayers in Newcastle: you can't drive because traffic is brought to a halt by Muslims praying in the streets. The mosques are not big enough.'

FUCK OFF KLAN GRANNY

This doesn't even happen in Muslim countries like Egypt, not that you have ever left the mainland US.

by Anonymousreply 16205/05/2021

'The part of England that is perceived to be the most racist is the South-West (Somerset, Devon, Cornwall etc) as they haven't ever had sizeable ethnic communities.'

These people hate all interlopers including white people from other parts of the UK, like London. If you sell a house to someone not from the west country, you're considered a traitor by many.

by Anonymousreply 16305/05/2021

R162 This doesn't even happen in Muslim countries like Egypt

You've never visited Luton or Leeds or Paris.

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On my way to Chatsworth, I was stunned by the ugliness of Sheffield. Incredible to think that it's just over the moor from one of the most beautiful places on earth, and it's one giant pile of unremitting ugliness. Every new building is hatefully ugly. The architects there must loathe humanity. And there are endless lines of shops with roller doors on their fronts. I was wondering how this phenomenon developed. I wasn't long enough in the city to notice its muslim population, but perhaps that accounts for it. Because it's like something you'd see in the shit parts of the middle east.

by Anonymousreply 16505/05/2021

[quote]Have any of you been to the Orkney Islands in North Scotland?

Yes, I was there a couple of years ago. Landscape-wise, it's pretty bleak, with the exception of some spectacular cliffs and coastlines. Mostly deforested and dominated by sheep and agriculture for making whiskey. Some fascinating ruins of really ancient pre-historical settlements. I quite enjoyed it.

by Anonymousreply 16605/05/2021

I'd like to return and explore the region, see places like Castle Howard and Newcastle-on-Tyne (I love industrial architecture, and Newcastle has a distinguished and well-preserved core). But northern England is full of some of the dreariest places in Europe, uglier even than their US equivalents, who usually manage a couple of Beaux Arts civic buildings and an above-average art museum. The lack of tree-lined streets in the less wealthy neighborhoods in the UK turns blocks that could be quite charming into something resembling rows of rain gutters. And the UK has always been, at the architectural level, reactionary and virulently anti-French (thus the lack of Beaux Arts planning). While other places in the late `19th and early 20th centuries were experimenting with new forms and materials, the British retreated into neener-neener-I-can't-hear-you-Tudor kitsch. Postwar, they tried to make up for it by building windowless cement blobs everywhere.

Oh well, the countryside is exquisitely lovely.

by Anonymousreply 16705/05/2021

[quote] Coventry was unfortunate

There's a place west of Coventry called The Black Country.

Cedric Harwicke said he saw 'hell’ there. He said the place deserved its title of The Black Country. There were slums and noisome alleys where the sun never seemed to shine. He saw families of twelve and fifteen souls living in a single room that was kitchen, bedroom and bathroom combined. Ragged children toiled alongside their gaunt parents hammering chains link by link.

They were Working Class then; now they're Welfare Class.

by Anonymousreply 16805/05/2021

This thread is illuminating for the fact that so few American posters ever seem to have travelled! Merely relying on things they've heard, movies seen, or books read.

by Anonymousreply 16905/05/2021

The Queen is basically God of England.

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R169 Are you new here? DL thinks the UK is either like Downton Abbey or some kind of ISIS-controlled hellhole. Anyone outside of that is a "chav", a word they saw used once twenty years ago which they now think means any white British person who isn't landed gentry.

by Anonymousreply 17105/06/2021

I've been to the UK twice -- but neither time did I get out of the London area. (Well, the second time, after a week in London, I did take a bus to Southampton to embark on a cruise.) I'd love to explore the entire island, though.

by Anonymousreply 17205/06/2021

R162 In Egypt they have big enough mosques. There FIFY.

by Anonymousreply 17305/06/2021

Friday prayers in Leeds: you can't drive because traffic is brought to a halt by Muslims praying in the streets. The mosques are not big enough.

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[quote] They were Working Class then; now they're Welfare Class.

They're Wayfair class.

by Anonymousreply 17505/06/2021

R166 I’m originally from the West, and I dislike (white, flash, Southern/Eastern) Townie interlopers just as much as proper foreigners on Welfare. They’re both equally cunty and disrespectful of local culture, albeit in totally different ways, and they both abuse local resources without giving back then have the audacity to accuse the place they’ve occupied of being inhospitable. They also build ugly trashy McMansions in green space, start vanity businesses that fail and damage towns, pollute (those big ugly SUVs should be outlawed) and litter, and behave in an imperious entitled way toward provincial workers. Got no time for them.

Northerners rarely come down our way, but on rare occasion they do I’ve found them to be charming, friendly, sound people keen to integrate, so I’ve got no problem with them (except that one Scouse bitch I met at College who led me on then stood me up for her boyfriend that she forgot to mention, but who’s counting).

by Anonymousreply 17605/06/2021

[quote] I did take a bus to Southampton to embark on a cruise.

You type poors.

"A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure." - MHT, OM

by Anonymousreply 17705/06/2021

R177 sweeping generalisation.

Take my example—technicallly I can drive (manual and automatic), been able since I was sixteen, had lessons for years, and took the test several times with full blessing of instructors. Even so, the DVLA refuse to grant me a full driving license, due to my poor eyesight and my slow reflexes (thanks, Hans Asperger). As I don’t make enough and haven’t got a trust fund/wealthy family to lean on, I can’t taxi or move somewhere urban where it’s possible to get trains all the time, plus there’s no reliable fast Uber where I live (rural, middle-low income area) either. Some of us don’t have a choice other than to take a bus.

Not to mention, the U.K. bus services are a damn sight better and more respectable than your typical scabby U.S. Greyhound, anyway.

by Anonymousreply 17805/06/2021

Please stop saying England when you are referring to Scotland.

by Anonymousreply 17905/06/2021

This thread is about northern England, not Scotland which is even grimmer.

by Anonymousreply 18005/06/2021

Almost 200 posts and nothing about cock size? I guess if everyone is white and drunk it really doesn't matter much.

I appreciate the American comparisons to PA/NY/OH, where you must have a car. What is public transport like in the UK in the small cities? Do many people live full lives without cars or would you be considered sad and poor?

by Anonymousreply 18105/06/2021

If you think Sheffield is bad, you should go to Rotherham.

by Anonymousreply 18205/06/2021

R176 you're not convincing anyone.

by Anonymousreply 18305/06/2021

I know that R180, just as I know the Orkney’s are not in England as one poster suggested, and in fact the Queen isn’t ‘Queen of England’ either. Scotland is not grim, Edinburgh is a fabulous city and the Scottish countryside - and not just the Highlands- is amazing.

by Anonymousreply 18405/06/2021

[quote] the Orkney’s

Oh dearie me.

by Anonymousreply 18505/06/2021

Doncaster is a giant council estate. The whole of South Yorkshire is a toilet.

by Anonymousreply 18605/06/2021

r177 It was a cruise line-provided motorcoach that took us from Victoria Station direct to the cruise terminal. Not just a "bus."

I usually like to do a lot of research before I travel, but despite doing so, I didn't realize that the day I would embarking on the cruise (hence the day I'd be going from London to Southampton) was also the first weekend day after schools let out in the UK for the summer holiday. The traffic to Southampton was a nightmare and we were actually late arriving for the cruise. (But they waited for us since they were responsible for getting us there.)

by Anonymousreply 18705/06/2021

R177 in his cruise line-provided motorcoach...

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I'm from Surrey, and while I like visiting the North (anything above the Thames is Northern to me!), I really love Edinburgh in Scotland. I prefer it to London because it's a more manageable size. Like my corner in Surrey, you're only a hop, skip and a jump from beautiful countryside in Edinburgh.

by Anonymousreply 18905/06/2021

Once you remember that by historical rights northern England is southernmost Scotland, you'll have more perspective. But keep it to yourself. There's a lot of denial.

by Anonymousreply 19005/06/2021

r47

Is a good show, too bad so much of it was lost. The follow up series in the 70s was not nearly as good

by Anonymousreply 19105/06/2021

The best thing that ever happened to Sheffield is Threads.

by Anonymousreply 19205/06/2021

I get the feeling that all of England has turned into London and Not London.

by Anonymousreply 19305/06/2021

R114 ta much. Nice to know someone can appreciate a quality bloke. It’s critical me and Our Philip are treated with a bit more respect around here...

[quote] Liverpool, however, was a horrible place full of violent, dangerous drunks and aggressive panhandlers. It's a mean, violent city. Has a kind of grim, desperate vibe.

Whole fookin’ place is crawling with bad tramps. If it’s not local talent you’re dealing with, it’s sicarios, slippery Paddy bastards, or gangbanger refugees they fished out the fookin’ canal.

When that mithery cunt Carragher and that whiny mingebag Gerrard are the best your fookin’ hellhole of a city can offer, you know you’ve got no chance, mate.

by Anonymousreply 194Last Friday at 12:50 PM

I've been to England/Britain four times, and never north of Cheltenham. I have seen all of the Angry Young Men British New Wave cinema, so I feel sufficiently depressed and suicidal about the North, though.

It's interesting to me how politics in England/Britain run. Brexit" Leave was super strong in the north, but not at all in Scotland (belying the notion that the North was just Scotland-lite). Again, the equivalency with the US South/Bible Belt seems right (minus the rusted industries, which are more like Ohio/PA.MI)

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by Anonymousreply 195Last Friday at 3:32 PM

There are long-simmering tensions between the troll and the elf populations. Both claim the land as their own, and refuse to share with the other.

by Anonymousreply 196Last Friday at 3:33 PM

Kind of like Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 197Last Friday at 3:52 PM

Minus the Bible as well R195, we loaded the puritanical Plymouth Brethren onto ships centuries ago.

Not sure where they ended up?

by Anonymousreply 198Last Friday at 5:52 PM

What is northern England dick like?

by Anonymousreply 199Last Friday at 11:47 PM

Do the younger people in Northern England share their elders' reluctance to shower, bathe or clean their teeth regularly?

by Anonymousreply 200Last Saturday at 12:21 AM

[quote] What is northern England dick like?

Spotted

by Anonymousreply 201Last Saturday at 12:31 AM

[quote]Do the younger people in Northern England share their elders' reluctance to shower, bathe or clean their teeth regularly?

It has poverty, but not the desperate poverty you find in America, if that's what you're asking, Sweetie.

by Anonymousreply 202Last Saturday at 12:43 AM

[quote] belying the notion that the North was just Scotland-lite

r195 The Scots just blame the English for their issues and think they're being oppressed by bureaucrat's and politicians in a foreign capital who don't represent them and now believe leaving a union with their biggest trading partner is the way forward to a magical future of prosperity. Northern Brexiters essentially had the same belief system just replace Westminster with Brussels.

by Anonymousreply 203Last Saturday at 3:06 AM

How is the gay cruising scene?

by Anonymousreply 204Last Saturday at 3:44 AM

R203 In trying to describe a commonality you confirmed the fundamental difference...

by Anonymousreply 205Last Saturday at 8:35 AM

Northern England could be worse. It could be Glasgow. What a city! Every single man, woman and child in that shithole looks like they were taken down an alley at some time in their life, and battered.

And the blighted social housing, as one leaves the city, goes on for half an hour, even when driving at a steady pace.

by Anonymousreply 206Last Sunday at 12:52 AM

Glasgow is my least favourite city in the U.K., too. I actually felt unsafe there.

by Anonymousreply 207Last Sunday at 1:01 AM

I like Glasgow. Good pubs and restaurants and shops.

My ex was from there. 9.5 fat inches. A delight.

by Anonymousreply 208Last Sunday at 1:02 AM

[quote]I like Glasgow. Good pubs and restaurants and shops.

There used to be a poster here from Glasgow who wrote long, beautiful posts about his city; they were really some of the best threads. That guy was so enthusiastic about his city he should've been on the Chamber of Commerce payroll (or whatever the UK equivalent is). I was briefly in Glasgow on my way to the Highlands & I thought the city looked like the UK version of Cleveland Ohio. I wish the Glasgow poster was still around to tell everyone how they were surviving during the pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 209Last Sunday at 1:25 AM

The Merchant City in the centre of Glasgow is lovely, as is the West End.

Charles Rennie Mackintosh territory, plus lots of shipbuilding history.

The second city of the British Empire.

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by Anonymousreply 210Last Sunday at 1:50 AM

R194, you're not fooling anyone. A few shibboleths in there betraying your true origins.

by Anonymousreply 211Last Sunday at 4:31 AM

Craig Ferguson is from Glasgow. I like him. He's good looking and funny. And he just moved back there, after selling his mansion in Los Angeles.

But some people from Glasgow... I just can't understand what they're saying.

by Anonymousreply 212Last Sunday at 4:53 AM

R212 Don't worry. I don't.

My ex took me around the gay bars a few years ago, The Polo Lounge, Bennet's, Delmonica's and a Piano Bar. Well there were various Caberet acts on at the last place and the MC was introducing each one. I could not understand a word he said. Not one word. And I go to Scotland a lot.

by Anonymousreply 213Last Sunday at 4:58 AM

Why are we discussing Glasghee in a thread about northern England?

by Anonymousreply 214Last Sunday at 5:02 AM

We strayed across the border.

Back to Cumbria, Northumberland, Lancashire, Durham, North Yorkshire, East Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, Greater Manchester, Merseyside, Cheshire.....

by Anonymousreply 215Last Sunday at 5:05 AM

[quote] North Yorkshire, East Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire

In God's own country, we call them Ridings.

by Anonymousreply 216Last Sunday at 5:09 AM

My racehorses are up there near Malton.

Beautiful part of the world.

by Anonymousreply 217Last Sunday at 5:24 AM

Pardon my ignorance... does northern England include Bronte's Wuthering Heights country - the Lake Poets? Shakespeare hometown? What about Thomas Hardy and where he placed his novels, Tess of the d'Urbervilles, Far from the Madding Crowd, etc?

Sorry to be stupid... but is northern England everything north of London -- or is some of that "Midlands" or whatever, which wouldn't count?

by Anonymousreply 218Last Sunday at 6:16 AM

Here you go, R218.

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by Anonymousreply 219Last Sunday at 6:19 AM

R218 The North is anything north of Watford.

by Anonymousreply 220Last Sunday at 6:19 AM

For those down south it is, but don't include us in the Midlands. Up north is still well above us here.

by Anonymousreply 221Last Sunday at 6:26 AM

Thank you R219 and R220!

by Anonymousreply 222Last Sunday at 6:26 AM

Pardon my ignorance... does northern England include:

Bronte's Wuthering Heights country - YES

The Lake Poets? - YES

Shakespeare hometown? - No. Stratford upon Avon is in the Midlands.

What about Thomas Hardy and where he placed his novels, Tess of the d'Urbervilles, Far from the Madding Crowd, etc? - No. That's the West Country. Down south.

by Anonymousreply 223Last Sunday at 6:28 AM

R211 well, alright Inspector Morse, you collared me. I’m not from the North, no. I am definitely English born and bred, though—check my post history or ask around, if you really want to go the creepy stalking route, all just to dismantle a sodding joke...

You won’t care, but for the record I wasn’t trying to “fool anyone” or obscure my “origins”. Why would I bother? My reply was meant as a tongue-in-cheek bit of character-based banter—something you’d recognise if you actually had mates.

Don’t know if you’ve heard of this concept, but there’s such a thing as playing a character, monologuing, having a bit of fun with someone else’s voice. DLers do it quite a bit, so if that comes as a surprise to you I have to assume either you’re new to the board or you don’t understand different styles of humour to your own.

It comes to something when you have to ask other posters to refrain from trying to doxx you over a throwaway bit of joke roleplay. Despair of some of you, honestly. Get a fucking life.

by Anonymousreply 224Last Sunday at 6:32 AM

R224 Your post was shit. Get over yourself.

by Anonymousreply 225Last Sunday at 6:41 AM

R218, everything north of Hyde Park is the North, darling. Ghastly places, most of them.

by Anonymousreply 226Last Sunday at 6:42 AM

It makes me laugh that people are talking about Glasgow in a thread about NORTHERN ENGLAND.

Glasgow is in Scotland, you numpties. ;)

by Anonymousreply 227Last Sunday at 6:45 AM

R220, the expression is "North of Watford Gap", which is some 67 miles north of Watford.

by Anonymousreply 228Last Sunday at 6:48 AM

Watford / Watford Gap, who cares? Anything north of Watford is bad enough.

by Anonymousreply 229Last Sunday at 7:10 AM

disagree R229, Edinburgh is very nice. York is nice. Cheshire. C'mon, you're just a fucking snob.

by Anonymousreply 230Last Sunday at 7:13 AM

Has anyone here actually been to Watford? It is an unrivaled shite-hole.

by Anonymousreply 231Last Sunday at 7:16 AM

[quote]Glasgow is in Scotland, you numpties. ;)

Yes, we know that, the mention of Glasgow made me nostalgic for the Passionate Glaswegian. So back to Northern England, is any discussion complete without mention of Myra Hindley & the Moor Murderers?

by Anonymousreply 232Last Sunday at 9:20 AM

Some of my Northumbrian ancestors have the unusual name "Yellowly".

by Anonymousreply 233Last Sunday at 11:29 AM

'Has anyone here actually been to Watford? It is an unrivaled shite-hole.'

Yes, I had to go to a dental hospital there. Horrible rundown chavvy place, although the indoor shopping centre could be worse. St Albans is close by but is completely different.

by Anonymousreply 234Last Sunday at 4:48 PM

'Everything north of Hyde Park is the North, darling. Ghastly places, most of them'

I think not, darling.

by Anonymousreply 235Last Sunday at 4:49 PM

Glasgow is a hell hole but Edinburgh is quite picturesque. Inverness has arctic temperatures. When I was 19 I went to visit a friend there in August. I'd lived all my life in London and our summers are fairly warm, with temps usually in the 70s or above in August. My friend was living by the beach so I packed shorts and swimwear. Started out at Kings Cross station at 10am with balmy temp of 76f and reached Inverness nine hours later and found the temperature was 55f! And it stayed that way the whole week, with plenty of rain.

by Anonymousreply 236Last Sunday at 4:54 PM

Northumberland and Cumbria are beautiful counties. The Lake District and the Northumberland Coast with Holy Island are gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 237Last Sunday at 4:58 PM

The Lake District is beautiful but it rains there around 300 days of the year and spoils the views. You can't trust the weather even in the summer and the lakes are far too cold to swim in. I prefer the south coast for a holiday. Lulworth Cove is a beautiful turquoise bay. Any further west and you run into surfing territory, though. As a child, I used to swim off the beach at Eastbourne every August and the sea was about 68f at its warmest.

Most Brits take a two hour plane journey to Mallorca or Minorca for warm sea swimming and gorgeous sandy beaches. The Mediterranean's temperature is in the 80s all through July and August.

by Anonymousreply 238Last Sunday at 5:03 PM

....or go to Skegness for a paddle.

by Anonymousreply 239Last Sunday at 5:10 PM

Skegness has such a strange beach. Huge tides and the sea goes out for half a mile at low tide.

by Anonymousreply 240Last Sunday at 5:19 PM

Yes. It's a massive expanse of beach.

by Anonymousreply 241Last Sunday at 6:12 PM

A friend of mine from Aberdeen moved to London and said for the first time in her life, she bought summer clothes.

by Anonymousreply 242Last Sunday at 6:15 PM

Which is interesting R242 as Aberdeen was marketed as a holiday resort in the mid last century.

It was discussed on Michael Portillo's railway program.

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by Anonymousreply 243Last Sunday at 6:26 PM

Aberdeenshire is sunny enough for one and one’s family to choose to spend the summer months there.

by Anonymousreply 244Last Sunday at 6:40 PM

It’s close to Scotland.

by Anonymousreply 245Last Sunday at 6:44 PM

I was sick and tired of everything

When I called you last night from Glasgow

by Anonymousreply 246Last Sunday at 9:44 PM

Anyway we'd better get back south of the border to beautiful northern England.

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by Anonymousreply 247Last Monday at 12:16 AM

Yorkshire, home of the Yorkshire Ripper--emblematic of grim, hopeless times in 1970s/1980s Northern England as Thatcherism dawned. "Yorkshire Noir" became a term in crime fiction. The ultimate example being a literary Hieronymous Boschian vision of violence, corruption, misogyny, and grim poverty in the "Red Riding Quartet" by David Peace. Film version for TV made it a trilogy. Northern England in that era was really the main character, and it's not pretty. The books are amazing, almost more horror than mystery/crime.

by Anonymousreply 248Last Monday at 4:46 AM

A Salvation Army band played.

And the children drank lemonade.

And the morning lasted all day.

All day.

by Anonymousreply 249Last Monday at 5:22 AM

The north of England is a conundrum. It has some of the most beautiful scenery in Britain. The Lake District, the North Yorks Moors and Dales. Charming towns, York, Harrogate, Scarborough.

Then it has those dark satanic mill towns.

by Anonymousreply 250Last Monday at 6:03 AM

Everyone calls everyone else 'luv', even the men.

by Anonymousreply 251Last Monday at 8:28 AM

One word: 𝙊𝙣𝙨𝙡𝙤𝙬

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by Anonymousreply 252Last Monday at 8:34 AM

"The Strike" with Al Pacino as Arthur Scargill.

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by Anonymousreply 253Last Monday at 8:51 AM

Stan and Hilda

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by Anonymousreply 254Last Monday at 8:56 AM

Emmerdale v Coronation Street

by Anonymousreply 255Last Monday at 2:53 PM

r250 Most of the dark satanic mills have either been knocked down or turned into overpriced flats. We may have to write a third verse in Jerusalem to deal with the change.

by Anonymousreply 256Last Monday at 3:04 PM

The dark satanic mills are closed and everyone's on welfare cheques.

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by Anonymousreply 257Last Monday at 3:23 PM

It's interesting one of my favorite ales is Newcastle Brown Ale. Used to be brewed there too. Now it's brewed in the U.S.

by Anonymousreply 258Last Monday at 3:36 PM

[quote] Newcastle Brown Ale is no longer available in the United States. A product labelled “Newcastle Brown Ale” is still sold but it is produced by Lagunitas Brewing Company and has little in common with the original product

r258 You guys apparently have a different version. Though that article also says the UK/EU breweries still export to America so I'm not sure.

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by Anonymousreply 259Last Monday at 3:45 PM

The discussion about crime shows set in dreary northern towns reminded me of that awful story about Jamie Bulger, the toddler killed by a couple of older kids.

by Anonymousreply 260Last Tuesday at 12:31 AM

Aren't many Northern towns overrun by immigrants now?

by Anonymousreply 261Last Tuesday at 12:47 AM

Is this where the Chavs and Scallys are the hottest?

by Anonymousreply 262Last Tuesday at 1:36 AM

R260 My ex's ex worked on that case. It was truly horrific.

R261 They're not overun. The people are not immigrants. Go and take your race baiting elsewhere. It's not welcome in these green and pleasant lands.

R262 In my vast experience Liverpool is the prime location for those. Grey trackie bottoms, hands down the front, that kind of thing? If you were to go to Glasgow, they're called Neds.

by Anonymousreply 263Last Tuesday at 1:49 AM

R263, what did he do on the case? I find it chilling that supposedly James was sexually tampered with and then one of the boys, Jon Venables, was convicted twice as an adult for looking at child pornography.

by Anonymousreply 264Last Tuesday at 4:55 AM

R264 he was part of the crown prosecution team.

There was all sorts of equipment and materials used. It was quite horrible.

Yes, you're right about Venables.

by Anonymousreply 265Last Tuesday at 5:03 AM

What's the deal with all the ugly gasholders that litter the urban landscape?

by Anonymousreply 266Last Tuesday at 6:05 AM

Gas holders?

Since natural gas has been the norm, lots of gas holders have been decommissioned.

by Anonymousreply 267Last Tuesday at 6:53 AM

R261 R263 This is why we can't have anything nice. This Nativist insanity that, while always in the background, has raised its head in the second decade of the 21st century and excuses, encourages, promotes the most destructive and poisonous kind of hate.

I have a Latina friend who is asked "where are you from originally?" Her family came to what is now New Mexico.... in the 16th century. It's not just a white racist thing, of course. In Japan you are still a "foreigner" if you are not ethnically Japanese... even if you're family has been in Japan for several generations and speak flawless Japanese. Brexit was supported by some voters who were disturbed by "all those shops up on High St selling Polish products."

Northern England has the highest percentage of "white UK" population of the regions in the country... although 30% of Manchester is "non-white"... many now 3rd and 4th generation. Guess what? They're British.

by Anonymousreply 268Last Tuesday at 7:09 AM

^ your family

by Anonymousreply 269Last Tuesday at 7:10 AM

The North in action, linked.

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by Anonymousreply 270Last Tuesday at 3:50 PM

Well, having read this thread, I now know that the North is full of satanic mills, and it is impossible to walk down the street without being stabbed or tripping over the millions of millions of muslims saying prayers in the middle of the road. Thank God I don’t have to live there - I just visit for holidays.

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by Anonymousreply 271Last Tuesday at 4:02 PM

^ Ah, the English have such a talent — or perhaps propensity— for turning a blind eye to the unpleasant things around them.

It's easier nowdays when we have automobiles— we just turn up the radio, drive faster and ignore all the ugliness happening outside.

It was different in the old days.

by Anonymousreply 272Last Tuesday at 4:09 PM

I’m sure your eye takes in all the ugliness all around you every day, r272. Well done!

by Anonymousreply 273Last Tuesday at 4:12 PM

R272 In the old days before automobile? How the fuck old are you?

by Anonymousreply 274Last Tuesday at 6:08 PM

R274, R272, aged 59, clerk at the Ministry of Fisheries, means he can now afford a small car which he will have to give up on his imminent retirement.

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by Anonymousreply 275Last Tuesday at 6:23 PM

A Northern education comprises of critical core lessons in general life-skills—learning to forage for foods in bins, to remove the tyres from parked cars, and to strip bark from trees with one’s teeth.

by Anonymousreply 276Yesterday at 12:17 AM

Posts like this will always encourage Southerners to broadcast their uninformed prejudice about the North of England. Most of them have never been there.

by Anonymousreply 277Yesterday at 12:52 AM

So what do we think of Boris's plans to 'level up' the North?

Given we've had the Northern Power House bandied around for some time with precious little to show for it, is it all bluster from BoJo?

by Anonymousreply 278Yesterday at 2:01 AM

Do you even need to ask?

by Anonymousreply 279Yesterday at 3:14 AM

The BBC made a long-running documentary to answer OPs question, so anyone seeking to know the true nature and raison d’être of the Northern tribes should really seek it out. It’s called Last of the Summer Wine.

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by Anonymousreply 280Yesterday at 3:32 AM

[quote]So what do we think of Boris's plans to 'level up' the North? Given we've had the Northern Power House bandied around for some time with precious little to show for it, is it all bluster from BoJo?

That sounds like the UK version of MAGA

by Anonymousreply 281Yesterday at 4:45 AM

Machete attacks are frequent.

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by Anonymousreply 282a day ago

More machete action, this time in Burnley.

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by Anonymousreply 283a day ago

Burnley's only purpose is to give Blackburn and Preston the only place in the county they can feel superior to.

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