25 Years of Rent

I never liked it - it felt forced and too woke, even at the time. Went to see it again a couple of years ago - nope. Some people love it - but it's lost on me.

That's 13,140,000 minutes ....

25 years of rent could have bought you a house!

This is the one where they author died the day before it opened or something. I’ve never been interested in seeing it. It just not my thing.

or as people in Michigan say it. "Runt"

Woke? NYC in the 90s was very very diverse r1

You must be a transplant.

People seem to really dislike that show. I’ve never seen it.

It's dated now and I don't really listen to the OCR anymore but there are some beautiful melodies in its score, so I'll always give it credit for that.

It was the beginning of the end for Broadway.

I always laugh when the word WOKE is thrown out at anything involving people of color. NYC had a lot of brown and black people in the 90s. Those shows like Friends were make believe.

People from other states who move to NYC use that word. A native wouldn’t use that word for a show like RENT, that rings true to many struggling young people in NYC in the 90s.

What’s most funny is it’s always gay men using the word woke regarding people of color, but never if gay people are thrown in the mix. As a matter of fact, if you see a black person eating lunch with white friends it’s “woke” but if it’s straight men and a gay, it’s not woke.

Meanwhile the latter is less likely to happen unless in a work setting.

[quote]people of color

A woke phrase.

R12 no. A phrase to make it simpler than saying “blacks, Hispanics, Asians etc.”

You just say “people of color” when it involves more than one minority group.

It’s woke. You’re woke.

No. It’s simple. You’re 2% of the population 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It’s okay. You’re woke. You probably believe trans women are women. You are the bizarro right-wing who believe vaccines implant microchips. My goal is to get away from you and them.

Again, you’re 2% of the population. You should be thanking WOKENESS for getting you rights instead of attacking it.

Gays are not woke.

And the woke had nothing to do with granting gay marriage. The supreme court did that.

R9, I think they said the same thing about "Cats" back in 1982.

The wokeness of the Supreme Court, yes. It took a lot of fighting to get there.

Jesus you’re uneducated and psychotic.

I really hated RENT, really all of it.

I moved to NYC in 1980 and saw it all, now way does any of this take place after 1985 or so, and every character is so unlikable.

And you just name call.

Absolutely hate Rent

R7 don’t waste your time

PS I hate Rent but labeling anything with black and Hispanic people “woke” is becoming annoying.

Meanwhile gay men being pushed into projects despite being 2% of the population isn’t “woke”. Give me a break. At least be consistent and not a hypocrite

Rent is cheesy as hell, but it is almost certainly one of the early pond ripples for mainstream gay acceptance, especially for late gen x/early millennials who were the first generation to be overwhelmingly pro-gay in the US.

And even if much of the score sounds like incidental music on Friends, Seasons of Love is a nice song.

R26 2%?

Studies have shown that around 33% of men has had same sex relations ar least once in his life

Shit almost all the men I hooked up with would say they were straight

So please shit the fuck up

Born and raised in NYC, and NYC in the mid-late 80s had all types of weird people running around of all colors. When I watch this, it reminds me of people I would see in Brooklyn. It’s no surprise a transplant would not understand or know otherwise. They’re in a city they have no business being in.

R28 that’s a lie. 2% of men are openly gay. 2.

Still the most overrated musical in Broadway history.

It’s overrated, yes. But it also rings true to many of us.

I don’t expect a white transplant from Ohio or Indiana or Kansas to relate.

I was a kid and this was the Broadway musical that every damn NYC talk show had to have the cast on to sing that stupid whatever days song

Looking at you Rosie O'donnell Show

My least favorite Broadway experience.

I would have walked out but a friend had bought the tickets as a gift.

Gay Men DIE.

Straight people and Lesbians get MAGICAL CURE.

Fucking homophobic TRASH.

It wouldn't have done that well had Jonathan Larson not dropped dead one night during the rehearsals. That generated tons of buzz about it.

R6 - I lived in the East Village in the late 80's and early 90's on St. Mark's Place. I remember the Tompkins Square riots and the squatters in the area - that was what the play was based on.

Kindly take a fucking seat and go back to typing from your mom's basement in some outer borough where the only thing you have to offer is to call people transplants.

R30 that may be true in polls but MOST men that have had or occasionally still have same sex relations , DO NOT identify as gay

Many won't even say their bisexual

A few years back ij NYC, an AIDS hospice was trying to get gay men to volunteer, after not many gay men came forward, they changed their campaign from "gay men wanted" to " looking for men who have had sexual relations with another man at least once in the last year"

The replies went through the roof

You must be a frau that thiinks every man whose hooked up with men is openly out, flamboyant and goes to gay pride parades

That's so far from the truth its not even funny

R35 what? No. The gay man got aids and died in NYC, during the 80s. Rings VERY TRUE, as I stated already.

R38 this seems illogic. The man who has had a few MSM experiences but doesn't identify as gay doesn't seem the type to volunteer for an AIDS hospice, That seems it would be the sole domain of GAY men and some sympathetic women.

at R39, you're WRONG.

The GAY MEN are pariahs in RENT who DIE.

The straights and lesbians all get the magical cure and live.

Homophobic, like YOU, .

I thought beepers were important plot devices in the musical. How did they update?

I love RENT! Great melodies and a nice message.

It’s loud in the theatre.

[Quote] The GAY MEN are pariahs in RENT who DIE.

One gay man dies

Heterosexual LOVE saves the straight people.

R40 they were paid for their services

Everyone knows tha most men who've had same sex experiences never identify as gay, because of the horrible stigma that comes with it

And psycho just exposed himself again at r41

All over every thread. Every single one.

Gay men are a minority. Period.

Having a same sex experience doesn’t make you gay. That’s the issue. You all are soooo desperate you can’t grasp what an experience is.

That piece of psycho shit always goes on and on about the putter boroughs, yet has never admitted where they are actually from.

I may be from Brooklyn, but that’s still nyc. You are here because you wanna be one of us. Know your place.

I hate it. It sucks.

I love Rent. Both on stage and film.

Was Idina's acting better in Rent than it was in Wicked?

Idina isn’t much of a complex actress. She just has an amazing voice

It was OK when it came out. The big thing was the gay /AIDS focus - which in retrospect looks as dated as “Philadelphia”. It did not hold up well. At the time it was edgy - now it’s dated. I find it painful to watch.

Well, it was that time period. Everything becomes “dated”

You guys inspired me to watch this

Y’all are gonna come for me but I enjoy the movie, even though it worked better as a broadway show.

I didn’t like Rosario Dawson in it though. At all.

And always felt bad for the stage actors who wanted to do the movie but weren’t cast because they wouldn’t translate well to film etc.

Rosario is beautiful but hated her.

Did anyone watch Rent Live! On Fox? I missed it.

I feel like that’s actually an interesting mark of the times, R58, and an example of what a different world it is now from the mid-Aughts. Imagine if a Broadway show got made into a movie musical nowadays with all the original cast except the Black woman and the Latina.

I didn’t like Idina Menzel in the movie either tbh

Watching a bunch of 35 year olds frolicking around an obviously post-911 lower Manhattan made the movie feel Iike a less edgy version of Godspell.

The movie is passable, but the criticism that they all look too old is true, and the tone and aesthetic wasn't quite right. The cast was around 35 and couldn't inhabit the songs like they did 10 years prior.

The movie made sure to avoid certain shots because it was post 9/11

Also, the movie changes the years. I believe the Broadway show was in the 80s while the movie is the 90s.

I wonder why they didn’t just build a whole new cast for the movie.

“As many Broadway show-goers and longtime East Village residents already know, “Rent” takes place in the heart of the East Village during the AIDS epidemic in the mid-to-late 1980s. ... Although a work of fiction, the play speaks to the very real history of AIDS in the East Village during the 1980s.”

Yes, the Broadway show was 80s and the movie was early 90s.

I noticed this when the movie references Thelma and Louise, something not in the Broadway musical.

Gurl, more like Rent controled.

I've never seen it but I heard it's about a bunch of assholes who don't want to pay their rent. And that the title song has lyrics like these:

"Ughhhhh--

Ughhhhh--

Ughhhhh-- I can't think

Ughhhhh--

Ughhhhh--I need a drink

We're not gonna pay

We're not gonna pay

We're not gonna pay

Last year's rent

This year's rent

Next year's rent

Rent rent rent rent rent

We're not gonna pay rent"

Sounds like it's a piece of shit.

The film of the last Bway performance is far superior than the studio film

WHET Bellamy Young?

I always wondered why they cast most of the original cast in the film. I mean, I get why, but they were playing early-mid 20s struggling in NYC. They all looked too old.

They should have just cast everyone new, and young, being that they didn’t even cast every single original cast member.

I loved the song “Your Eyes”, particularly in the movie. I feel it’s the one song they did right.

[quote]WHET Bellamy Young?

She became the president of the United States.

She was also on Revenge

The weird thing about them casting 6 out of 8 of the original cast members was that RENT was still on Broadway when this movie came out, with its new younger cast.

The film came out in 2005, and the Broadway show ended in 2008.

If anything they could have used the current younger Broadway actors for the film instead of the older ones.

I actually found the closing scene to the film effective. I’m glad they changed it from the stage version.

[quote]Born and raised in NYC, and NYC in the mid-late 80s had all types of weird people running around of all colors. When I watch this, it reminds me of people I would see in Brooklyn. It’s no surprise a transplant would not understand or know otherwise. They’re in a city they have no business being in.

STFU . Nobody shares your fixation on transplants. NYC attracts people from all over the world. Many have money. They've always come to NYC. They always will. Suck it up, chulo.

I lived in Boston during college when Rent was really popular and I remember during the Louise Woodward trial e prosecutors mentioned Louise was obsessed with Rent and had seen it dozens of times.

The films main audience was older women.

I assume the Broadway show had all types of people go see it, as it was on Broadway for 12 years before closing. One of the longest running ever.

[quote]I may be from Brooklyn, but that’s still nyc. You are here because you wanna be one of us. Know your place.

Nobody comes to NYC so they can hang with the natives. Lots of outer borough native NYers are just low class trash.

R82 you aren’t a NYer though.

Fran Lebowitz recently said that if you've lived in NY long enough to bitch about something in the city that isn't there anymore, then congratulations you're now a NYer lol!

After 25 years of rent you could have owned the place.

I never understood the popularity of this thing. It sounded dated and inauthentic when it was new.

I didn't like it either. And I was in the E Village at the time.

R85 bullshit. It actually originated in 1993 but then was off-Broadway in 1995 and then Broadway in 1996-2008.

The early 90s gay men were still dying from aids.

It didn’t feel dated.

R84 Fact is no matter how long you’re here, a transplant views the city through the eyes of a tourist. You just aren’t the same.

Keep telling yourself that r88.

It’s the truth lmao r89. You fools never say where you were born. Where you grew up. Where your HS was.

If you moved here after HS, you can’t relate to someone who was here their whole life and went to school here etc. you just can’t.

Was Larson gay?

r90 your only sense of worth comes from being born and raised in an outer borough. You're a sad pathetic loser. And nobody cares about your stupid fixation with people who move to NYC from elsewhere. BTW they're more successful than you'll ever be.

Thinking back on it as a grown adult, it's funny to me that Benny is supposed to be a villain, since, in reality, he's just trying to look after the people he cared about. He wanted to use his rich wife's wealth to build housing and art studios for his friends. What a monster!

R53

No. She wasn't as atrocious as Daphne Rubin-Vega, but her acting was fairly stilted. A lot of musical theater actors are there because they're decent at singing but not great at acting.

R64

Wasn't the movie shot in San Francisco?

Maudlin. Treacle. Unmusical. Manipulative.

The stage is for an actor to do what they want.

I forgot who said this but it was basically

TV is all about the writers

Films are all about the directors

Stage is all about the ACTOR

The best place for an actor is the stage.

R93 those new buildings would make the area more expensive, putting the locals onto the streets. They already were struggling, and many were, that would hurt more people than help.

Rent was the beginning of the end as far as musicals that lectured incessantly. Musicals used to be fun; not they’re cringeworthy after-school specials, or worse, in-school wheel-out-the-tv-for-a-very-special-lesson-kiddos, nightmares. Can’t watch them anymore.

RENT didn’t preach though. You keep saying that but it’s not true. It was a story about 20somethings trying to make it in NYC, while also struggling financially or health wise, as the AIDS pandemic was very real and alive in its setting, the 80s.

It never preached much of anything

R37 I lived on 11th Street off of Avenue A in the late 80s through the 90s and this play did not represent my experience or the definitive experience of people in my neighborhood and didn't resonate with many people I knew as well I actually met Jonathan Larson when he worked at the Moondance diner in Soho. And the play was based on La Boheme and updated and transplanted to the East Village. I hung out in Tompkins Square Park as well as Crobar, Stingy Lulus, Kiev, Kim's Video, the Saint Marks Baths, Flamingo East, The Pyramid, 7A . . .

But this was the experience for others r99. You also didn’t die of aids but guess what, many gay men in NYC did in the 80s.

Meh. I was in my 20s in the period in NY and my friends and 2 lovers died of aids and more in the 90s. Rent was maudlin and not for us. It was about as authentic as any show or movie about downtown New York Bohemia. I don't begrudge flyoverstans finding it meaningful and moving.

I can understand someone saying “this wasn’t my experience”, but when you speak as if it couldn’t have been anyone’s experience simply because it wasn’t yours, there is an issue there and you’re most likely bullshitting.

I don’t believe you lived in that area ever, especially the 80s.

People like that still existed in the 90s yet alone the 80s.

You saw starving artists, drug addicts etc. all over this city in the 80s. The drug pandemic was very real. The aids pandemic even more real. People barely being able to pay rent. Yup.

Thats all too horribly true R102. I am R101 and I guess you are doubting R99?

This is about taste really. To me, the tone of RENT is what makes it NOT about marginal lives in the AIDS years. But people with a higher tolerance for musical theatre treacle might certainly feel otherwise.

I think the great AIDS musical show is yet to be written. It will be about Klaus Nomi's rise and fall.

R103 ok that I can understand. You don’t like the tone etc. I get that. But it’s the people speaking as if what happened in this show was not what was happening in that time period that is annoying me.

The drug pandemic in NYC was severe in the 80s. The Aids pandemic was severe in the 80s. You had people dropping dead in the streets, literally. You had people ODing out in public. The homeless situation was insane. And you had struggling, starving artists all over this city. This was back when artsy people were moving here with no money and could still get by, or barely.

And this was all over the city, even the “richer” parts were having shit happen.

RENT touched on those topics, but you all are also forgetting it’s a musical, not a play. Had it been made a play it probably would have had a much different tone.

R100 R102 I grew up in the 60s and in reality the vast majority of people weren't listening to the Doors, wearing headbands, smoking pot, dropping acid or protesting the Vietnam war or anything like the characters in Hair though you might not think that if you saw many of the films or plays set in that era. And why would I be bullshitting. You seem to have a limited purview.

R106 and I grew up in NYC during those years. This WAS happening here.

I can't speak for the 80s, but Rent doesn't really jibe with my memories of the EV in the 90s.

I saw a great version of it with an all-little-people cast.

They called it "Runt."

RENT wasn’t saying every young person in NYC was dealing with these same issues. It was about this core group dealing with these issues, and those issues brought them together.

Maybe you should watch the show. I don’t think you have. Even the movie. These characters are surrounded by people who have their shit together. But they don’t.

R108 by early 90s Guiliani had done what he did already. There were still issues but he shipped the homeless off to other states, had everything raided and shut down, starting with anything... GAY.

R106 It was happening but not to most that was my point. Rent isn't a limited view of a subculture but it wasn't THE culture. Just like most people didn't die from AIDs or COVID.

^ R107

It was always mediocrity incarnate. But because of the HETEROSEXUAL author’s untimely demise, and it’s veneer of edgy-hipness, it became one of those ‘zeitgeist’ musicals. They don’t age well.

oops, “its veneer”—fucking autocorrect!

Saw In The heights, and it seems Daphne has FINALLY stopped filling her face with Tupperware and silicone and looks almost human now.

Along with The Producers and Hamilton, Rent was one of the most over-hyped. over rated musicals ever. Except for 1 tune from Rent none of them produced a song that has become a standard and unlike say Gypsy, West Side Story, Fiddler on the Roof, My Fair Lady, Chicago . . . I don't think they will be revived decade after decade and all 3 were made into movies that flopped.

Hamilton has a movie? I totally missed that.

R118 Count your blessings! It bypassed theaters, and luckily you, due to the pandemic and went directly to Disney streaming last year and was nominated for 2 Golden Globes: Best Motion Picture Musical or Comedy and Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture-Musical or Comedy Lin-Manuel Miranda.

I missed Hamilton too.

Rent was overrated. It was ok, but nothing spectacular. There were only two good songs.

Overrated? What exactly do you expect from a musical other than two hours of entertainment?

Rent is great in the theatre as is Hamilton. Did either change my life? No, but they were a fun few hours

The thing that's hard for me to get past, and many people have said this before me, is that the characters in the show would never be caught dead in something so "cheesy" as a musical. I disagree with the comments that there are no memorable songs. Maybe not memorable in the "Memory" from Cats way, but there are several great pop-rock songs in the score. The original cast looked great together too.

I want to live in Manhattan, but can’t afford. No one in my family has made it to “the City” yet, but we keep trying! Maybe my sisters’ kids. I’m wearing white crocs in BK!

R123 is definitely a transplant lmaooooo. That post just exposed it.

And he should stop dropping names of people he doesn’t know before yet another account gets red tagged.

Seasons of Love is a classic. It’s mostly the same person commenting over and over.

It was just made a Live TV musical a couple of years ago because of its popularity, and it did well on ratings and got Emmy nominations.

R125 It killed live musicals, it was an utter, endless trainwreck.

The show was a smash, and one of the longest running in history. If it’s success was strictly because the writer dropped dead, then it would have been a brief success and then died off. No. That’s not what happened. People went to see it and kept going, bringing in millions.

It’s one of the most successful running Broadway shows.

It won many awards, including Best Musical at the Tony’s and a Pulitzer Prize for Drama.

The film DIDNT do well with critics or viewers, but the Broadway show was the opposite.

The Fox Live Special was one of the highest rated things shown on TV that year and received Emmy nods.

Shows how much you know about how it’s regarded and received.

R127 Oh stop lying ya fucking loser...

Fox's broadcast of a not-really-live Rent on Sunday finished with a 1.4 rating in the adults 18-49 demographic and 3.42 million viewers in early numbers, marking the lowest-rated of the broadcast networks' musical event shows.28/01/2019

R128 it wasn’t promoted much and it was still seen as a success.

Take the shovel out of your ass.

Unfortunately, though, it proved to be the death knell of live musicals on network television. Only 3.5 million viewers tuned in, a stark contrast to the 18 million who watched NBC's Sound of Music in 2013. Immediately following the tanking of Rent, NBC canceled its planned broadcast of Hair, citing a need for a title that's more family-friendly. They have not announced a replacement. Fox hasn't announced a follow up, either. (We did get The Little Mermaid on ABC, but it wasn't a fully live musical, it was an airing of the movie interspersed with a decked-out concert.)

I survived that era, and this show does not resonate with me at all.

We know r131

You’ve told us more than once on here.

Can I believe it? I certainly can.

R127 You're a pathetic and complete and utter fraud. The closest you ever got to the East Village in the 80s was your mother's basement in Dayton, Ohio. I did live in the East Village and you make it sound like everyone was dying of Aids, starving, on drugs and the streets were littered with bodies. Bullshit! You keep arguing that you lived through it and anyone who wasn't born in NY or is a transplant couldn't possibly understand what it was like. Well, that includes Johnathan Larson (b.1960) who grew up in Mt. Vernon and didn't arrive in New York till after he graduated college and had worked in theater workshops in Michigan. Rent is like life in the East Village as reimagined by the producers of Glee. Smithereens, Desperately Seeking Susan, Mondo New York, Wigstock: The Movie and Mixed Blood have more of a feel for what downtown NY was like in the 80s. And as far as Rent's continuing success, it was revived at the New World Stages in midtown in 2011 in a theater with less than 500 seats; smaller than my high school auditorium.

Ugh, New World Stages. Hands down the worst off-Broadway theater in town.

R135 Back in the 90s I believe those spaces were movie theaters and for a while they were a $1 dollar movie house. I used to live in Hell's Kitchen and saw Eyes Wide Shut, Black Robe and In the Name of the Father there. The theaters were below street level.

I used to go to World Wide Plaza when it was a 2 dollar movie house - 90s. Was it a dollar? I was poor for a couple years and I adored going there. Sometimes I went with a poor fuckbuddy of mine. We would pool our change and get shakes at McDo. He had a monster cock. Loved that guy but he was taken.

R137 Could have been $2. I recall that it started at as more of a first run theater with regular prices and eventually became more of a neighborhood theater.

Yes it just transformed into a 2nd 3rd run house despite being almost new. Loved that place. A godsend to the poor.

Take Me Or Leave Me is another classic song from this one

The Live TV version actually was good. The issue is they barely promoted it. I didn’t even know it was a thing until after it aired!

Also, the guy who played Roger, Brennin Hunt, sprained his ankle or something a couple of days before they were supposed to go on, so they had to use the pre-recorded rehearsals for many of his scenes and then others were done live. That didn’t help the flow at all. Also, he was their weakest link. Even Vanessa Hudgens was better. He had no expressions and you could tell he was struggling to reach the higher notes at times.

It’s all a shame because the scenes that were done live were terrific, like the ending, where they just had him sit. You can see the cast on his leg. It could have been better all around.

R141 Yeah, too bad they didn't promote it like you've been promoting your bullshit expertise on NY on the 80s.

R141 Honey, nobody is buying the bullshit you are selling.

R143 what am I selling? I was stating what happened

R144 They advertised the fuck out of Rent, everywhere. It bombed because it was badly cast and shitty.

The 2010 West Coast Cast with Skylar Astin, Aaron Tveit and Vanessa Hudgens as MiMi (miscast)

R143 You're fishier than the seaquaruim at Baltimore Inner Harbor and no one is buying your bullshit.

^Not meant for R143 but the fabulist at R144

R144 You weren't stating what merely happened but were busy negating what others said and determined whose experience was valid based on your criteria. Everything you've posted on this thread has been invalidated by sources more credible than you. You make it up as you go along!

R149 lmaoooooooooo

I thought there would be more personal memories of the show and less fighting over what is a real New Yorker or New York experience.

R151 Welcome to DL!

R150 Lie your ass off is more like it.

I've never understood the complaint that it was "dated."

The show was about a particular moment in history. As for the music and songs, they aren't any more dated that any other musical.

You can like it or not, but the criticism that it's dated seems a bit of a stretch.

[Quote] I used to go to World Wide Plaza when it was a 2 dollar movie house - 90‘a.

Loved that $2 movie house!!!

There’s an excellent Blu-ray of the final Bway cast—live.

It’s better than the movie or the Tv versions

RENT is a tour de force of emotions, relationships, convictions, promises and lies. The music is beautifully melodic in some areas and grooving funk in others. It's rock 'n' roll and it's classic musical style. It follows the ageless tradition of musicals that have preceeded and it has started something wonderful for musicals of the future to draw from for years to come.

The roles are deep and complex but they're just about as everyday as you can get. They're a bunch of friends, enemies and lovers in NYC trying to live their dreams, but trying to do it in the purest way possible. Mark's performance is the pivotal one, narrating and tying the individual stories together, and Roger's is the most painful. Tom is sensibility and Angel is reason. Every facet of human nature and human emotion is present in this recording and this whole show. It is a marvel of modern theatre and the music is brilliant. The words are all like poems, beautiful epic poems. They'll make you cry and they'll make you think and they'll most of all make you ponder life. No day but today!!!

Nothing says desperate impoverished downtown Bohemia in the AIDS apocalypse, like "music (that is) is beautifully melodic in some areas and grooving funk in others"

It’s a BROADWAY MUSICAL. Not a PLAY.

Learn the difference.

Also, the show isn’t about AIDS.

I know all about Rent honey. I know the producer intimately. (big beautiful cock and beautiful body at the time). Did you learn to write at the Sheboygan Conservatory of Purple Prose?

R160 now you’ve fucked the producer? Jesus. You’re a mess.

Who do you think I am? I said I don't think rent says anything about that NY era. I'm not the Stan in this thread. And yeah I fucked the producer!

No. You didn’t. Please just stop.

Sure I did. We were neighbors in Brooklyn. I moved there when I got priced out of the East village, in the 80s! As I was a bohemian, fuck face. And we fucked like rabbits. But finally he wasn't into me. Pity, I would be a so rich now. Rent is half-baked emotional romantic treacle so a recipe for middle and low brow success. It has a heart but it has jack all to do with anthropology of that urban moment. Go ahead and be a huge stan of the show. Most of us just roll our eyes or shrug.

Meh.

[quote]Yes, the Broadway show was 80s and the movie was early 90s.

No, that is exactly the criticism. The Playbill states the play takes place "Today", which was 1996, and the events and characters were clearly from 1984 or not much later. By 1996 it was already anachronistic.

the clip at 146 and the song are about as close to the EV in the 80s as Darien, Connecticut.

^R148

Vanessa Hudgens is awful. How does she always get work?

r157

I don’t know how to break it to you but... you have no taste.

Let’s hear more about Jeffrey Seller’s big cock. Did you sit on it?