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Janet Mock has epic meltdown at Pose premiere

She's pissed she "only" got $40k/episode for "Pose". She also announces she cheated on her boyfriend. I thought she was married?

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by Anonymousreply 575Last Monday at 5:36 AM

If you are around when there's a meltdown by Janet Mock, duck!

by Anonymousreply 104/30/2021

A transexual who is pissed and having a public meltdown!?! Now I *have* seen everything!

by Anonymousreply 204/30/2021

So brave!

by Anonymousreply 304/30/2021

Stunning and brave, R3.

by Anonymousreply 404/30/2021

Bravely stunning and stunningly brave.

by Anonymousreply 504/30/2021

r4 I'm so sorry, i promise i'm not transphobic STUNNING AND BRAVE! STUNNING AND BRAVE!!!

by Anonymousreply 604/30/2021

[quote]The room at Jazz at Lincoln Center fell completely silent as Mock shouted: “F–k Hollywood … Does this make you uncomfortable? It should. It should make you f–king shake in your motherf–king boots. This is speaking truth. This is what ‘Pose’ is.”

[quote]“It’s a show, but it means so much to everyone to ‘ensure that we enable black and brown trans women to make it’ because that sounds good,” she said sarcastically. “It makes you comfortable to talk like that because then I don’t scare you into facing the f–king truth. You all have stomped on us.”

This is someone who makes $40,000 a week. Please, stomp on ME like that.

Janet sure goes a long way to dispelling the image of famous Ts as mentally unwell, perpetually angry attention whores!

by Anonymousreply 704/30/2021

She’s gone from Redefining Realness to Redefining Rapid Cycling

by Anonymousreply 804/30/2021

This is what RM gets for pandering to T.

by Anonymousreply 904/30/2021

Cancel the damn show and go back to normal shit.

by Anonymousreply 1004/30/2021

Is she drunk?

by Anonymousreply 1104/30/2021

Positioning herself for some profitable post-Pose grifting.

by Anonymousreply 1204/30/2021

So she’s a mock female?

by Anonymousreply 1304/30/2021

Jealous she gets to fuck Angel Curiel, he's a sexy piece of ass

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by Anonymousreply 1404/30/2021

Do NOT mock "La Mock," muffukkkahs!

by Anonymousreply 1504/30/2021

Mental illness right there, folks.

by Anonymousreply 1604/30/2021

I keep saying it: It will never be enough. Never.

by Anonymousreply 1704/30/2021

[quote]Mental illness right there, folks.

But nobody in the media will ever say so -- rather, they'll lionize her for her "truth-telling" and the "incredible grace she manifested in fighting back against the marginalization of trans people even in the supposed left-wing bastion of Hollywood."

by Anonymousreply 1804/30/2021

lmao how much did the show pay a publicist to write that speech? Pure PR if ever I heard it.

by Anonymousreply 1904/30/2021

An unhinged transgender? Well, I never!

by Anonymousreply 2004/30/2021

going out with a bang!

by Anonymousreply 2104/30/2021

Why would anyone hire these self-important cunts? They ALWAYS cause trouble and are never grateful for an opportunity. They always MUST be the victim in any situation.

by Anonymousreply 2204/30/2021

The first season of POSE was watchable. The second season was a travesty. Which part was Ms. Mock responsible for?

by Anonymousreply 2304/30/2021

r14 he looks FTM.

by Anonymousreply 2404/30/2021

[quote]"This makes you uncomfortable?"

So daring! So original! Making people feel uncomfortable is her primary job!

by Anonymousreply 2504/30/2021

r23 probably the part where the actors all got immensely inflated egos and started dictating how they wanted their characters to evolve. That's always the death-knell for a show.

by Anonymousreply 2604/30/2021

[quote]There is no better show than Pose to usher the industry into a cautious new normal at this point in the pandemic. It is a series about survival, about the power of family and community, and about confronting the harsh realities that too often get overlooked, because it’s easier or makes people more comfortable.

Remember when shows were entertaining?

by Anonymousreply 2704/30/2021

In my youth I knew plenty of trannies and with the exception of a few crazy ones, most were totally cool people . When did trannies turn into loons ?

by Anonymousreply 2804/30/2021

looks like her ENTIRE FUCKING CAREER has been provided to her by Ryan Murphy, she should be thanking him, not reprimanding him. She's an entitled brat, and I suspect drugs must be fueling her ridiculous self sabotage

by Anonymousreply 2904/30/2021

[quote] Pure PR if ever I heard it.

Ma'am that was the worst thing she could have done. She's going to be branded as difficult now.

Openly discussing your salary at an event, trashing the writing on the show for the first couple of episodes written by Ryan Murphy and fucking someone from the crew of a show you worked on?

That just opens up all kinds of problems.

by Anonymousreply 3004/30/2021

What is that all about, R25? I've noticed that a lot in the whole progressive, woke, whatever talk over the past few years.

I get going through discomfort in a personal way in order to make progress in your personal life, but why are there all of these people who feel it's their job to inflict discomfort on others? No one wants that.

by Anonymousreply 3104/30/2021

[quote]probably the part where the actors all got immensely inflated egos and started dictating how they wanted their characters to evolve. That's always the death-knell for a show.

Agree to a point. REAL actors sometimes have very good ideas about their characters and the feedback can really help the writers and the show evolve. However, in this case the likelihood is "wokeness" prevented the showrunner from rejecting shitty ideas that came from "actors" whose main qualification was not their ablity to act but their proximity of their own personalities to the character.

by Anonymousreply 3204/30/2021

Years of aggressive hormone therapy has scrambled Mr. Mock's brains. I pray he finds some semblance of peace in his sad, final days.

by Anonymousreply 3304/30/2021

r28 when it became a fad for attention-seeking people.

by Anonymousreply 3404/30/2021

BITCH!

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by Anonymousreply 3504/30/2021

Sounds like Charles needs to change his tampon.

by Anonymousreply 3604/30/2021

r31 because they have a lot of aggression to get out and they don't want to play "nice" as that involves skill, tact, and patience. They want everything all at once, now. It's basically similar to a toddler throwing a tantrum. A big part of it is generational, and "activism" seriously amplifies those qualities as important. Everyone and everything is expected to be an "activist" now or furthering the progress of some activism, for whatever intersectional qualities you might possess. If you're black, you MUST be a black activist. If you're a woman, you must be a feminist activist (or working to get trans women treated as such). If you're trans, you MUST be a trans activist. And even more if you have more than one intersectional trait.

There is no attention given to people who work behind the scenes. They want the attention from being in people's faces and making them uncomfortable. It's not about the result - it's about the ego.

by Anonymousreply 3704/30/2021

Trannies became problematic once same sex marriage was introduced. They took that as a cue for full tranny independence.

by Anonymousreply 3804/30/2021

[quote]Ma'am that was the worst thing she could have done. She's going to be branded as difficult now.

Agreed and it would be a fair assessment. Her only employer seems to be Ryan Murphy. I hope he has the balls and the self respect to put some space between his production company and this out of control toddler

by Anonymousreply 3904/30/2021

Sad. She could have been effective and inspiring but instead she used her time in the spotlight to talk about herself and be crazy. Drugs but will probably be labeled “exhaustion”

by Anonymousreply 4004/30/2021

Kevin Fallon, the author of that piece, could not have licked her fake twat more if he tried.

She sounded unhinged and on drugs. And if not on drugs, then I feel sorry for her boyfriend.

by Anonymousreply 4104/30/2021

[quote]“When a talent asks you for a suite, you give them a suite because they need it,” she said. She singled out cast members Hailie Sahar, Dominique Jackson, Angelica Ross, and Mj Rodriguez, toasting their talent and shaming everyone who undervalued or underestimated them because they were pretty or inexperienced.

What if the "talent" asks for more than 40,000 per episode? How about a private jet? Will they get it ? How about acting lessons?

What a deluded tantrum

by Anonymousreply 4204/30/2021

[quote]Her only employer seems to be Ryan Murphy.

In 2019, she signed a three-year multimillion-dollar pact with Netflix, giving the streaming giant exclusive rights to her TV series and a first-look option on feature film projects.

AFAIK, nothing has yet come of this deal.

by Anonymousreply 4304/30/2021

[quote]However, in this case the likelihood is "wokeness" prevented the showrunner from rejecting shitty ideas that came from "actors" whose main qualification was not their ablity to act but their proximity of their own personalities to the character.

It's a show about trans people. The show is already "woke."

As for the writing, it's actually good when a writer on a show recognizes that they don't have a good enough grip on a character's lived experience so they bring in other people to help them that do. That applies to any subject.

And if Steven Canals refused to reject their ideas then that has nothing to do with the actors, that's on him for not being an experienced showrunner.

by Anonymousreply 4404/30/2021

[quote]shaming everyone who undervalued or underestimated them because they were pretty or inexperienced.

Most likely the "shaming" was basic direction to make their performances palatable.

Stupid bitch

by Anonymousreply 4504/30/2021

[quote]And if Steven Canals refused to reject their ideas then that has nothing to do with the actors, that's on him for not being an experienced showrunner.

Yeah, that was my point.

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by Anonymousreply 4704/30/2021

r44 "lived experience" does not make one into a good writer, nor does it mean the person will be able to identify and translate personal experiences into a larger script. It also does not trump experts or science.

by Anonymousreply 4804/30/2021

Janet literally just incinerated her career. She will never be hired for anything again.

Miss Ryan Murphy will freeze her out to such a level, she'll think she lives in Antarctica.

by Anonymousreply 4904/30/2021

Mock and husband got divorced not long after marrying.

I have to wonder about the husband. Allegedly Mock didn't come out as trans until the relationship was entrenched, but I have to wonder if the husband always knew and if he was a chaser. He was too hot for a real woman who looks like Mock, never mind a "woman" who can't have children and whose mere existence would embarrass any legitimate straight man.

by Anonymousreply 5004/30/2021

I demand additional compensation and damages from Kmart for the 2 months I worked there as a woefully underpaid stockboy in summer 1979! IT WAS LITERAL SLAVE WAGE RAPE and I still have PTSD!

by Anonymousreply 5104/30/2021

She's toast, purse sauna non grotta.

by Anonymousreply 5204/30/2021

The sycophantic tone and perspective of the Beast article was embarrassing and did Mock no favors.

by Anonymousreply 5304/30/2021

I am sure Mock is getting lots of "support" on twitter. Of course, that only serves to feed her delusions and when she stops getting hired, SJW likes and clicks will be cold comfort

by Anonymousreply 5404/30/2021

[quote]"lived experience"

as opposed to 'nonlived experience', like the undead?

When did wokesterism manage to create a whole new language with frankenphrases for commonly used expressions like 'personal experience' (and mind you, 'personal experience' is a tautology itself)

by Anonymousreply 5504/30/2021

Let's all wave goodbye to Auntie Janet's career!

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by Anonymousreply 5604/30/2021

[quote] Openly discussing your salary at an event, trashing the writing on the show for the first couple of episodes written by Ryan Murphy and fucking someone from the crew of a show you worked on?

Chiiile… And she thinks the opportunities and money are just going to flood in now?

by Anonymousreply 5704/30/2021

R55 And Pose isn’t based on experience (lived or otherwise) anyway, it’s pure wish fulfilment.

Which is fine, it’s not a documentary and I thought the first season at least was entertaining. But let’s not pretend it has anything more than a passing resemblance to reality.

by Anonymousreply 5804/30/2021

In order to steal attention away from Billy Porter, you have to go BIG!

by Anonymousreply 5904/30/2021

Although I tend towards the “let’s-include-everyone” in the LGBTQ movement/community way of thinking, I also have to say that I have thought from the start that “Pose” had some of the most embarrassingly bad acting on it, and especially from the trans actors (and while Billy Porter has been good elsewhere, I thought his characterization on this show came from the flared nostril School of expression—I’ve seen less indicating in a community theatre production of “And Miss Reardon Drinks a Little”), none of whom seemed to have experience, training, or hint of natural talent for inhabiting a character. There are some wonderful trans actors, but they are not excellent BECAUSE they are trans—they are good actors whose trans identity is part of who they are and which they may draw on as actors (or may not), as all actors bring their lives as part of the acting process.

by Anonymousreply 6004/30/2021

She'll be out sucking dick for beer money down by the West Side Highway this time next year if she doesn't watch herself.

by Anonymousreply 6104/30/2021

This reminds me of the collapse of TRANSPARENT (a show I liked very much, for the most part) that occurred after allegations of actor Jeffrey Tambor's sexual harassment and abuse as well as trans representation issues. Infighting galore.

Show creator Jill Soloway now identifies as Joey Soloway (pronouns: they/them), BTW.

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by Anonymousreply 6204/30/2021

She must not have known that Ryan Murphy has his Sun, Moon, and Ascendant in Scorpio, aka “a triple threat.”

Mock…

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by Anonymousreply 6304/30/2021

So let me understand this, we watch entire seasons of RPDR just to see all the contestants compete for a $100,00 prize, and she's pissed that she's "only" getting $40k per episode of Pose?

by Anonymousreply 6404/30/2021

Miss Murphy right now.......

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by Anonymousreply 6504/30/2021

I pictured this, R65.

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by Anonymousreply 6604/30/2021

Murphy will have to pick another muse for his cocktail of horniness, wokeness and drama.

by Anonymousreply 6704/30/2021

Who is she?

by Anonymousreply 6804/30/2021

Now she's getting called out as a predator.

Get the popcorn.

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by Anonymousreply 6904/30/2021

TRANSWOMAN OF COLOR: Has public meltdown

WOKE TWITTER: “Thank you for speaking truth to power!”

by Anonymousreply 7004/30/2021

Women routinely complain about not being paid 'what they're worth'. Instead of throwing a tantrum he should feel validated.

by Anonymousreply 7104/30/2021

Let's hire her!

by Anonymousreply 7204/30/2021

Anti-trans sentiment is being censored. I’m sorry, but that’s a dangerous precedent. Gender identity disorder is real. A cat is not a dog no matter what it wants to think. Trans people have got to face the sad, frustrating, disappointing truth that their gender is fixed from birth.

by Anonymousreply 7304/30/2021

[quote]Now she's getting called out as a predator.

I've been seeing tweets along that line and people writing that they hope Angel is okay. Why is the assumption that Janet was abusing her power when maybe he was fucking her so that his useless character could stay on the show. Not that I think either one were using each other and it was a genuine relationship, people are only bringing it up because he's 25 and for some reason there are a lot of people who are acting like being 25 is the equivalent to being 5 years old.

Also, some are tweeting that Janet cheated on him with her boss. When Mock says "someone from the crew" I am taking it to mean below-the-line, not someone higher up the totem pole.

by Anonymousreply 7404/30/2021

She’s a straight up bitch.

I saw her at a book industry event and she oozed disdain for everyone around her.

by Anonymousreply 7504/30/2021

Fucking a crew member, yeah it happens but a producer should know better. He’s lucky the show is over because otherwise there’d be an HR investigation.

by Anonymousreply 7604/30/2021

[quote]“When a talent asks you for a suite, you give them a suite because they need it,”

So Ryan booked her a room, instead of a suite, and this is her revenge? And no-one "needs" a suite. These people really do think they're utterly special and unique and the only reason they're not global megastars is because they're being held back by "the man" or "the system" don't they?

by Anonymousreply 7704/30/2021

Visit from her Aunt Flo-yd.

by Anonymousreply 7804/30/2021

'I’m hurting y’all. I see injustice and it hurts me inside.” Mock revealed she was only paid $40,000 an episode, adding: “Do you know who the fuck I am?”'

The self-importance of this clown, it's breathtaking. This is what career suicide looks like.

by Anonymousreply 7904/30/2021

She’s an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 8004/30/2021

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She acts like Pose is a #1 show or something. Go ahead - shit where you eat.

No matter what the outcome, she will be a victim. Let's say, in fantasy world, it works and she gets a 100% increase to $80K an episode - then she'll say she had to FIGHT for EVERYTHING and that it still is not enough.

People are becoming tired of being bullied by trans - gays, lesbians, women. Their requirements to be front and center is insulting and infuriating.

She's a producer with no previous experience. She's been handed over this career and she shits all over it.

by Anonymousreply 8204/30/2021

California needs a Gpvernor.

by Anonymousreply 8304/30/2021

For being a writer, producer and occasional director on that show 40k an episode is very low, even for a basic cable show. She needed to take that fight to her agency, not to those at the S3 premiere.

by Anonymousreply 8404/30/2021

“Why am I making $40,000 a motherfucking episode? Huh? Do you know who the fuck I am? Do you know what I fucking mean? Huh? I am angry."

Well - we know you are replaceable and not as fucking unique as you think.

by Anonymousreply 8504/30/2021

She knew what she would be making. What a cunt. Agree to the $40,000 and then bitch about it. Its not like she’s a household name. Far from it.

by Anonymousreply 8604/30/2021

I would like to know how much she thinks is appropriate for such a small show with low ratings (=low ad revenue). Did she talk to Shonda Rimes or something? Cuz she's no Shonda Rimes, who actually created and wrote several series.

Sometimes your 'pain and anger' is all in your head and no one is doing you wrong. You're bringing your life pain into something that doesn't deserve it.

by Anonymousreply 8704/30/2021

[quote] And no-one "needs" a suite.

Oh my. You must know nothing then of fabulous tranny divas!

Like her idol and role model Dominique Devereaux, Janet Mock does not sleep IN her clothes, nor does she sleep WITH them!

She REQUIRES one bedroom for her wardrobe, and one for herself!

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by Anonymousreply 8804/30/2021

Well, Mock her.

by Anonymousreply 8904/30/2021

Even the person writing the article had to tell us how brave she was!

[quote] It was a [bold]brave,[/bold] unexpected speech—one that certainly caught its audience by surprise, all of whom were nervously at an event for the first time in over a year and rendered breathless and, occasionally, uneasy by Mock’s passion and candor.

by Anonymousreply 9004/30/2021

[quote] Why am I making $40,000 a motherfucking episode? Huh? Do you know who the fuck I am? Do you know what I fucking mean? Huh?

Actually, I have no idea whatsoever who she is, nor what she fucking means.

by Anonymousreply 9104/30/2021

[quote]Why am I making $40,000 a motherfucking episode? Huh? Do you know who the fuck I am? Do you know what I fucking mean? Huh?

Delusions of grandeur

by Anonymousreply 9204/30/2021

Isn't this show over? Since when to people get more money for work done? She got the most she was able to contract. Just like everyone else. She can fuck off now.

by Anonymousreply 9304/30/2021

Intriguingly, the NYTimes ALSO did a piece on her today, and you would think from reading THIS piece (no surprise from the NYRT in 2021) that she's Mohandas Gandhi, Audrey Hepburn, and Virginia Woolf rolled into one!

STUNNING AND BRAVE!

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by Anonymousreply 9404/30/2021

eww she/he is gross.

do you know who the fuck i am?

yeah someone that if you don’t watch pose, don’t know who the fuck you are.

by Anonymousreply 9504/30/2021

It will all be explained in her new book, DISS-POSE-ABLE. Coming this fall from Simone & Shyster.

by Anonymousreply 9604/30/2021

She has terrible skin. She keeps improving her nose, I will say.

by Anonymousreply 9704/30/2021

Clearly, the author of the article at OP has no hesitation telling us where HE stands:

[quote] It’s the kind of scorched-earth truth-telling that you might hear the executives and industry figures Mock called out publicly praise for its honesty in pursuit of change. Then you wonder what they actually are going to say about it, or about Mock, behind closed doors. Historically, that’s what happens when marginalized people demand their worth.

[quote] At the very least, we can ask for some bravery from these people with the suits, the purse strings, and the power: This time don’t do the two-faced whispering. This time listen, process, and act.

by Anonymousreply 9804/30/2021

So the man who became a woman and into a lower paygrade is now bitching because "she" doesn't get paid as much as a man?

by Anonymousreply 9904/30/2021

LISTEN, PROCESS, AND ACT, R99!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 10004/30/2021

Harumph. Turns out dicks ARE worth something.

by Anonymousreply 10104/30/2021

R99 got it right.

by Anonymousreply 10204/30/2021

[quote]n 2019, she signed a three-year multimillion-dollar pact with Netflix, giving the streaming giant exclusive rights to her TV series and a first-look option on feature film projects.

In 2018 Ryan Murphy signed a 300 million dollar deal with Netflix. Gee, I wonder if Netflix threw La Mock this relatively minor, boilerplate deal because of her proximity to her mentor, the aforementioned Ryan Murphy.

So far her tantrums, entitlement and arrogance have eclipsed whatever talents she might possess.

I hope Murphy looks for talent to mentor and offer a leg up rather than gimmicky attitudinal broads with more balls that brains.

by Anonymousreply 10304/30/2021

I can't stand Ryan Murphy but this show would NEVER have happened without him. Didn't they even say the show was rejected by almost everyone?

She's an ungrateful bitch who got attention and praise for being the first trans woman of color to write and direct a television episode

Maybe she was coked up but making her demands from the podium where everyone would have to think on their feet she knew what she was doing.

She just fucked herself of getting more jobs from Murphy UNLESS he panders to her. I hope he doesn't. This is bullying.

And didn't she say about Angel "I get what's mine?" So he's a piece of meat?

by Anonymousreply 10404/30/2021

Stunningly trans, bravely trans.

by Anonymousreply 10504/30/2021

Here is the unspoken thing about human nature in regards to her criticism of people involved with Pose that self-congratulate: That's human nature. We're selfish. We, as people, rarely do things selflessly for people we intimately do not know.

Also, no one is talking about how she's the EP and she was dating an actor. Isn't that a power dynamic that's fucked up?

by Anonymousreply 10604/30/2021

[R106] and is sexually involved with a crew member

by Anonymousreply 10704/30/2021

People are calling her out for that r106.

See r69.

by Anonymousreply 10804/30/2021

It's so strange of her to do this as POSE moves into its final season, and all the shooting is done. She cannot be fired, I guess; but she also cannot get the raise she seems to be insisting upon.

It's like she's consciously trying to brand herself publicly as difficult and melodramatic.

by Anonymousreply 10904/30/2021

rehab followed by groveling in 3...2...1...

by Anonymousreply 11004/30/2021

I see she's an executive producer and writer for Murphy's Jeffrey Dahmer series. Murphy needs to hire strong writers for his series like Tom Rob Smith, who wrote all of the episodes for the Versace/Cunanan series. Instead, he's attached himself to no-talents like Mock just so he'll get slurpy blowjobs from GLAAD, The Trevor Project, Hollywood Reporter, et al.

by Anonymousreply 11104/30/2021

Ass pats on twitter aren’t going to pay the bills. Who is going to want to put up with that, plus admitting that she’s fucking a crew member not to mention talent as a show runner makes her a huge liability. It was a low rated niche show that would’ve worked better as a miniseries.

by Anonymousreply 11204/30/2021

The ads for season 3 are non-stop on YouTube. Never seen the show and don't plan to ever watch it. Is it even good? It has an 8.6 on IMDB but I imagine that number is inflated with "stunning and brave" people and their supporters spamming the reviews.

by Anonymousreply 11304/30/2021

R112 - that's very true. She fucked talent and a crew member. That's not acceptable workplace behavior.

by Anonymousreply 11404/30/2021

Plastic surgery has given these nut jobs undue credibility as “women.”

by Anonymousreply 11504/30/2021

Indya Moore is ranting again.

This is one of her most hilarious tweets. Is it parody?

So, now Pose is profiting off black tranny pain??? Despite giving black trans actresses jobs during a pandemic?

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by Anonymousreply 11604/30/2021

She had her boyfriend stand up and right there, in front of the crowd, she announced that she had cheated on him. She then cried and carried on about how much she wanted to stay together with him. This is drugs/nervous breakdown/“hospitalized due to exhaustion” stuff. Oh, and “Good Morning America” immediately canceled her previously-scheduled appearance.

by Anonymousreply 11704/30/2021

"I wouldn't want to put myself in a position of 'capitalizing on your pain,' so we won't be working together, but good luck."

by Anonymousreply 11804/30/2021

She also said she was going to dump but then decided no. She's fucked up and abusive.

And sadly, too many people who are enabling her behaviour and painting Ryan Murphy as a villain.

He owes NOTHING to them. He gave them a platform. They're probably pissed that nobody is calling them to work with them.

by Anonymousreply 11904/30/2021

[quote]He owes NOTHING to them. He gave them a platform. They're probably pissed that nobody is calling them to work with them.

It's a real T thing to go after successful gays and lesbians who would otherwise be sympathetic to their cause. They've tried it with RuPaul, Martina, and any number of "cis white gays."

by Anonymousreply 12004/30/2021

The first season got great reviews R113, but the second season went off the rails and while the reviews weren’t awful they were lukewarm.

Billy porter will continue to work but the rest of them will mercifully fade into oblivion after the social justice gravy train dries up.

Mock standing next to her boyfriend really amplifies that she’s trans with the big head and male features that never went away.

by Anonymousreply 12104/30/2021

Is there a link to her speech and breakdown?

Where can I find it?

by Anonymousreply 12204/30/2021

R1 did somebody say mock duck?

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Can someone explain to me why trans women feel they are being targeted with pay inequality? It's not a secret that women are paid less than men, a lot less in some cases. So where are the trans women voices for equal pay for women?

Also there are different contracts and pay scales depending on the type of show you are doing. There is an HBO rate, a cable rate, a cable rate for a limited series (mini series), a cable rate for episodic, network tv rate etc. There are even different rates depending on what season a show is in, if you are doing a first year episodic network show your rates are based on the previous years pay rate.

What Janet is making is probably standard for a show airing on the platform Pose is airing on.

by Anonymousreply 12404/30/2021

[quote]as opposed to 'nonlived experience', like the undead?

The phrase, "lived experience" has been around for decades, R55. I believe it actually originated in Germany in the 1700s and has been in use here since the 60s. I'm not sure if you're being obtuse, tedious or just plain stupid.

You're saying more about yourself than me, right now. I'm sorry you didn't do a whole lot of reading back in college.

[quote]And Pose isn’t based on experience (lived or otherwise) anyway, it’s pure wish fulfilment.

No, the point is: I wouldn't want a straight man writing about gays, I wouldn't want a woman writing about gay men. If you're writing a show about people running a zoo then hire someone who knows something about zoos. Hire the fucking source if you can, even if it's just for an episode or to consult.

[quote]She must not have known that Ryan Murphy has his Sun, Moon, and Ascendant in Scorpio, aka “a triple threat.”

As multiple people have said here for years: Ryan Murphy isn't a bad person (they frequently add in cold, distant, almost sexual too) but you absolutely do not want to piss him off. He will 100% never forget it.

I've also never forgotten this story from his ex. Janet Mock is toast.

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I don't know if that story is supposed to be true but I don't know how you can register a moment of hesitation on your lovers face while you are in the ocean being dragged by a riptide and they are up on the shore.

I guess Condon only needs his glasses for reading, he can see facial expressions perfectly fine from a distance.

by Anonymousreply 12604/30/2021

R126, it was from an interview with Bill Condon in a profile about Murphy for The New Yorker.

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by Anonymousreply 12704/30/2021

Check out Janet's IMDB credits before Pose directing. Nice that she got a gig and made it work. Nice that she stepped into a job and nailed it and was invited back for more work. $40K per episode is pretty decent money.

by Anonymousreply 12804/30/2021

Again: Ryan Murphy, who hired these people for well-compensated jobs, is the evil one; and all of Pose's success is due to their "trauma."

Everything is pain. Everything is trauma. And everyone who gave them a break is at fault.

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by Anonymousreply 12904/30/2021

[quote] The phrase, "lived experience" has been around for decades, [R55]. I believe it actually originated in Germany in the 1700s and has been in use here since the 60s. I'm not sure if you're being obtuse, tedious or just plain stupid.

[quote] You're saying more about yourself than me, right now. I'm sorry you didn't do a whole lot of reading back in college.

My, my my!

Listen to Miss Princess Pedantry throw shade!

by Anonymousreply 13004/30/2021

Who does this deranged shvartze trannie think THEY is?

by Anonymousreply 13104/30/2021

I wondered when Indya Moore was going to say something r116.

by Anonymousreply 13204/30/2021

40k is quite decent money for a show that gets fewer than a million viewers an episode. Does she thinks she's on Big Bang Theory or something?

On the other hand, because they do so few episodes per season, in sum it's really not that much money.

by Anonymousreply 13304/30/2021

Wow, she must be fun to work with.

by Anonymousreply 13404/30/2021

It’s baffling to me that people keep talking about how Murphy is profiting off their stories. NO ONE is watching this show. I think the first season was the lowest rated on television. It only got a second season to avoid exactly this bullshit and that’s still not enough. Hopefully Hollywood is starting to come around that there isn’t a tit big enough in the world for these people.

Self-sabotage on a grand scale like this is hallmark of borderline personality disorder. This is very ill and damaged individual. And it’s fucking insulting to the rest of us that we get lumped in with her and she’s this role model for LGBTIAJFIRIRNNEEIRK69+ experiences.

Her experience does not speak for mine or most people’s. In fact, I would cross the street to avoid any experience with this sick, sad individual.

by Anonymousreply 13504/30/2021

You can expect to see Ryan Murphy and his troop shore up the relationship and cut ties as best as possible and prepared to let journalists review the legal side of negotiations. She’s unstable and probably just received a very terse letter from Murphy’s lawyers reminding her of the binding clauses in her contracts to shut her up.

To be clear, the entire series was ripped from themes brought up in “Paris Is Burning”. If anyone should be mad, it should be the subjects that are still alive for cashing in on their tragedies. I very much doubt any of Pose’s actors were selling themselves on the street.

by Anonymousreply 13604/30/2021

He seems tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 13704/30/2021

No wonder the show is ending. Too many fucking egos on this show.

Ryan Jamaal Swain, Indya Moore, Angelica Ross, and now Mock. They're so exhausting, always whining However, Mock was mostly likable and professional up until this meltdown. Maybe she's always been like this and was just hiding it.

Billy Porter can be over the top but he does seem grateful and was appreciative of Murphy in one of his award speeches. Say what you will about Porter but he's a professional.

by Anonymousreply 13804/30/2021

POSE is NOT a hot show anymore. Nobody watches it because it's pretty awful.

This is not the place to ask for a raise, fool!

My prediction is that a large percentage of the onslaught of woke entertainment coming our way will not find an audience, and will crash and burn.

Will "Woke = Broke" next year?

by Anonymousreply 13904/30/2021

More Billy Porter. Less of these unstable cunts.

by Anonymousreply 14004/30/2021

Delusions of grandeur... “profiting off their pain and labour”, “obsessed with their bodies...”, “killing them”... it’s like “Who???” Fuck I guess their most important/most popular/our teachers and leaders hah?- fuuuck this shit! If I saw one I’d turn around and go the other way

by Anonymousreply 14104/30/2021

R138 He is an utterly tiresome cunt.

by Anonymousreply 14204/30/2021

[quote]Allegedly Mock didn't come out as trans until the relationship was entrenched...

WHAT BULLSHIT IS THIS?

The husband didn't know the person he was fucking was a tranny? Child that is too bizarre to even pretend to believe!

by Anonymousreply 14304/30/2021

Did Ms. Mock, as R136 pointed, give credit to the true legends, who fought the real fight and suffered the true horrors of the war: the participants of “The Queen” and, in particular, “Paris is Burning”?

Sincerely curious.

by Anonymousreply 14404/30/2021

[quote] 40k is quite decent money for a show that gets fewer than a million viewers an episode. Does she thinks she's on Big Bang Theory or something?

It is harder to gauge true viewership with all the streaming platforms. Both seasons of "Pose" stream on Netflix so its actual viewing audience is probably multiples of its cable network viewership. Someone is profiting from that.

Clearly they all wanted more money. The trans actors don't have many prospects in TV or film beyond this show. And the show itself is expensive because they license a lot of music.

by Anonymousreply 14504/30/2021

"Angel B. C. Is a beautiful person, and is deserving of so much undue respect", according to Indya Moore at R116.

by Anonymousreply 14604/30/2021

It’s easy to demand in hindsight but an actor “Profiting” from a FLEDGLING show like Pose is set by contracts and negotiations based on risk, proven track records and reevaluating when the next season arrives- how popular the previous one was. There’s no emotion, prejudice or favors provided by the bean counters at a network, only hard numbers and viewership. We’ve reached critical mass where series like “Pose” could be easily overshadowed by a better YouTube produced series which is why Ryan brought Sandra and Patti onboard. NONE of the nonprofessional actors were that good and were very well compensated at the time of shooting in commensurate with experience. People like Issa Rae slaved on YouTube for YEARS before getting a similar break…

Driving up the price of programming by demanding higher wages would diminish other emerging shows of the future and cut risky budget choices and is LITERAL VIOLENCE!

by Anonymousreply 14705/01/2021

Did you really believe the "I'm such a beautiful, sophisticated, charming and thoughtful real woman" act, r138. It's not possible for someone who does that to their body not to have multiple mental problems.

by Anonymousreply 14805/01/2021

Ms. Mock…

Tick. Tock.

by Anonymousreply 14905/01/2021

Woo chile!

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[quote]There’s no emotion, prejudice or favors provided by the bean counters at a network, only hard numbers and viewership.

That's an assumption on your part, though. Dave Chappelle appealed to Netflix's emotion and got residuals on his show when contractually he wasn't owed any, for instance. Netflix renewed the One Day at a Time reboot not because it was profitable but because fans were upset.

A lot of that is PR, of course, which translates to financial benefits, but appealing to emotion/prejudice is a HUGE part of production for any company. If they decide it'll be more advantageous to listen to Mock's criticisms and respond in her favor, they'll do it.

by Anonymousreply 15105/01/2021

Even if they give Mock the earth, moon and stars r151, he will never be satisfied.

by Anonymousreply 15205/01/2021

R152 I see what you did tHEre.

by Anonymousreply 15305/01/2021

I think some of the Pose stars let fame and success get into their heads. I remember one of them complainning about not being nominated to an Emmy because you know representation (there were two trans women nominated anyway).

Pose is a very niche show, maybe trans is the trend of the moment but that never last. The truth is a trans character or a trans storyline can be interesting but don't bring ratings to a show.

And while you see Bryan Michael Smith who is in a hit show trying to be one more of the cast, some of the Pose stars think they are genuinely stars who bring attention to their show. It's pretty common the salary won't be that big during the first seasons and most of these actors/actress didn't get any other big roles on their curriculum.

And of course there's the fact that it was Billy Porter the one who got more attention.

But when you are new in the business (or a small name) and rely on Ryan Murphy getting you roles you should known when you complain about something, and the premier of the last season of your show is not the right moment

by Anonymousreply 15405/01/2021

I've worked in IT/Marketing for a couple decades now. I'm gay myself, and have worked others in the LGBT community as well, some of whom were transgendered women and men. The conference table or a Zoom meeting isn't the moment to stop everyone from they're trying to do/discuss for you to show off your outfit and makeup and wig.

by Anonymousreply 15505/01/2021

You know, I see trannies like Blaire White and think, “Trannies can be sane and great!” Then I see people like Janet Mock acting this way and think, “Wow, trannies are really insane and entitled.” Who does she think she is?

by Anonymousreply 15605/01/2021

Does it still have a lady cock?

by Anonymousreply 15705/01/2021

[quote]  I very much doubt any of Pose’s actors were selling themselves on the street.

It was mentioned in that NYT article that Mock was a hooker in her teens. I'm not an expert by any means but it still seems trans women are more prone to whore than practically any other group.

by Anonymousreply 15805/01/2021

Quelle surprise, r158.

Practically all of them have panhandled on the Internet to get money for "top surgery" and "living expenses" because they were (insert questionable tragic experience here) which is always due to them "living their truth" rather than the fact they have significant mental problems.

You can't throw a stone without hitting a GoFundMe trying to guilt people into paying for them.

At least when you're whoring in person the other party gets something for their money.

by Anonymousreply 15905/01/2021

[quote]It’s easy to demand in hindsight but an actor “Profiting” from a FLEDGLING show like Pose is set by contracts and negotiations based on risk, proven track records and reevaluating when the next season arrives- how popular the previous one was. There’s no emotion, prejudice or favors provided by the bean counters at a network, only hard numbers and viewership.

r147 is 100% correct here. One caveat: There is "emotion" involved in those negotiating salaries in television: FEAR. Fear of paying too much, being bowled over by agent/talent demands, fear of having to answer why you paid too much over scale +10 to a performer whose only real experience and credential is having lived some of the life of the character, yet who brings no viewership with them.

It is a loss/profit mentality.

[quote]Dave Chappelle appealed to Netflix's emotion and got residuals on his show when contractually he wasn't owed any, for instance. Netflix renewed the One Day at a Time reboot not because it was profitable but because fans were upset.

r151 is 100 % wrong. Chappelle got over his deal not because of sentiment but because it was considered good business on the part of the network ODAAT got a new life because they believed it could be profitable, not because they felt sorry for the people who were upset it was cancellled.

by Anonymousreply 16005/01/2021

I said the considerations were also financial, R160. I was very clear about that.

by Anonymousreply 16105/01/2021

R158 it is true that trans women are more likely to be sex workers. Especially 20 years ago and before. Employers would tell you to your face they wouldn’t hire a Tranny. I had friends who got fired upon coming out, even before transition. So sex work was a life saver for some trans women-especially trans women of color. The stuff they endured with closeted men who were mostly bottoms is horrifying.

R159 speak about yourself, please. I know a lot of transwomen who do not have “significant mental problems.” They work in a variety of jobs in government, medicine, law, academia and business. You don’t need to paint with such a broad cartoonish brush. But then again you are one of the Russian trolls or maybe Murdoch. Both dictators hate transpeople.

by Anonymousreply 16205/01/2021

[quote]I said the considerations were also financial, [R160]. I was very clear about that.

The point is they are ONLY financial. Any concern that looks as though it is driven by sentiment is actually a financial decision if you lift up the hood and look under.

Executives are trained not to be swayed by emotional appeals that do not uphold the bottom line: Profit.

I can tell you right now, Janet Mock will be a huge hit on social media for her self-immolation, but nobody will hire her after this and really, why should they?

The best she can hope for is a face saving conclusion to her current deals.

by Anonymousreply 16305/01/2021

[quote]Executives are trained not to be swayed by emotional appeals

Executives don't go through any kind of training like this. There's not even one standard university degree that all executives have, let alone training to turn all executives into emotionless robots. I mean, you've seen the Trumpster CEOs and executives, right? They're all emotion.

Netflix understands the emotional side to the appeal of their shows and programs, they know that they look good by doing right by Dave Chappelle (for example) and that looking good and doing the right thing means an increase in profits. There's emotion in that decision. I don't really understand why you'd say otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 16405/01/2021

R162 They ALL have significant mental problems. Gender dysphoria is a real diagnosis.

Also, you know "a lot" of transwomen? Personally, in real life, not on the internet?

There is a big difference, of course, between those who fall into the cult of "stunning and brave" and get pseudo therapy from constant reinforcement that they are special and amazing and unique, vs. those who seek out and get therapy and quietly live their lives.

And of course the cult convinces these unstable people that they MUST "live their truth" or LITERALLY DIE.

And the fact that you are immediately accusing me of being a Russian troll or a right-winger who "hates transpeople" is just another example of the bullying that occurs in an attempt to stifle all debate or discussion that isn't pandering. Next you'll accuse me of "denying their right to exist" or other such meaningless nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 16505/01/2021

Poor little Curiel, he will be forgotten quickly after this season airs and Mock finds a strapping BBD to replace him.

by Anonymousreply 16605/01/2021

[quote]Executives don't go through any kind of training like this. There's not even one standard university degree that all executives have, let alone training to turn all executives into emotionless robots.

Trained by mentors and superiors, not in a university setting. I don't know how you extrapolated that I was referring to a "standard university degree" The same way you might, as a subordinate, notice what your boss does that is successful in his/her job and adopt those behaviors and skills in the hope of advancing to that level.

[quote] There's emotion in that decision. I don't really understand why you'd say otherwise.

ok

by Anonymousreply 16705/01/2021

Is the $40,000 after taxes?

by Anonymousreply 16805/01/2021

I didn't say you were talking about a university class, R167, I just said there is no standard educational course for executives. They're not all educated and trained the same, let alone all trained to be emotionless. That simply does not happen. You made it up and now you're trying to defend this tenuous position by equivocating and moving goalposts. Have fun with that.

by Anonymousreply 16905/01/2021

I suspect r165 is authentically stating the truth that most, if not many ,trans people are suffering from gender dysmorphia. I think our understanding of gender is so restrictive that those who have strong tendencies defying those gender norms have nowhere to put that sense of 'otherness" and wanting to cement an identity, determine they are the opposite gender. There are only two genders: Male and Female, Fluid or trans people are simply defying the restrictive gender normative behavior that feels unnatural to them.

by Anonymousreply 17005/01/2021

r,169 thanks for your post

[quote] Have fun with that

It is the part of my job I enjoy the least. It is sometimes hard to deny genuinely talented people a bump because they don't affect the bottom line.

Thanks for the interesting discussion

by Anonymousreply 17105/01/2021

[quote]She fucked talent and a crew member. That's not acceptable workplace behavior.

Excuse me, but because no trans has been in the position to exploit a cast and crew before, Janet's inappropriate sexual behavior is actually TRAILBLAZING as well as STUNNING and BRAVE.

by Anonymousreply 17205/01/2021

R170 but they AREN'T defying gender norms.

For every "nonbinary" male who wears dresses and has a full beard (these people are usually known as attention whores), there are lots more trans who go for gender stereotypes. Even their flag uses pink and blue, not shades in-between. They WANT to present as real women or real men. Most of them do not "pass" and being reminded of this is damaging to their false reality. But it IS reality.

by Anonymousreply 17305/01/2021

This is the most wonderful case of multiple things can be true at once, which we - as a society - seem unable to remember, particularly when talking about people from marginalized groups:

1) It's possible that that Janet Mock can be a black trans woman and be underpaid for the the work she is doing (inclusive of name value) 2) It's possible that she can also have really fucked up and been guilty of using unfair power dynamics by fucking a crew member AND a supporting cast member (when she's their boss) 3) It's possible that she can unfaithful and make stupid mistakes and be a hot mess.

I actually think this speech is incredibly equalizing. We often portray or ONLY talk about trans people as victims or STUNNING and BRAVE. Personally I love seeing a trans woman as much of a fucking mess as everyone else!!!!

by Anonymousreply 17405/01/2021

yeah, I agree with you r173. My point, more clearly stated is sort of along the lines of what you are saying. I think many trans people begin their journey by realizing they don't conform to the norms assigned to the gender of their birth. But because we all have internalized gender norms, when they realize they don't conform to their birth gender norms, they assume they must be the opposite gender and start "conforming" to the norms of the gender opposite to the one they were born with.

by Anonymousreply 17505/01/2021

R174 bitch have you seen social media? It's full of fucking trans messes. This is nothing new, and not surprising in the least to anyone who has been paying attention.

by Anonymousreply 17605/01/2021

[quote] Even if they give Mock the earth, moon and stars [R151], he will never be satisfied.

This is, of course, completely true. Anyone who is over 35 has lived long enough to know the truth that some individuals are professionally aggrieved and whatever their current complaints and demands are, the underlying existential position that they are a superior entity who is never appreciated enough or compensated enough will never be solved.

They will simply move to the next set of demands and perceived slights that are really just a platform to demand special status and treatment based on what they have "suffered" rather than their performance.

This is not to say that genuine slights and unfair treatment should not be addressed and responded to. You may very well be underpaid and underappreciated in your job, but there are ADULT ways to address these issues, and they really begin by asking yourself the question: Am I really unappreciated or do I simply FEEL unappreciated.

In other words, if you want to wear a crown, you have to back it up with a country.

by Anonymousreply 17705/01/2021

R175 there's a lot of clinical psychological reasons for it I'm sure, which is why it has an entry in the DSM. Gender is a theory, sex is fact, and gender is at least rooted in sex.

Most of us don't fall squarely into what would be considered a "gender norm" by virtue of being gay. It just becomes another form of internalized homophobia when that gay person now decides they MUST really be a woman because they have feminine mannerisms and like men. They are reinforcing gender stereotypes.

And I'm not talking about the transvestites who are straight males who have a sexual fetish, which are another form of modern trans with their own psychological issues and DSM entries.

by Anonymousreply 17805/01/2021

r178 tells no lies. Agree 100%

by Anonymousreply 17905/01/2021

R170 Why can’t they figure that out?

by Anonymousreply 18005/01/2021

Mock is such a funny name. Say it to yourself out loud.

by Anonymousreply 18105/01/2021

That’s because it was Anglicized from its original version, Mockstein.

by Anonymousreply 18205/01/2021

R182 Stop mocking Mock!

by Anonymousreply 18305/01/2021

Crock

by Anonymousreply 18405/01/2021

The lady at R150’s link looks like a member of the klumpp family.

by Anonymousreply 18505/01/2021

Mock has an agent and a manager and a lawyer. Why did Mock take the deal in the first place? He’s a joke.

by Anonymousreply 18605/01/2021

But why would she want a white woman’s nose?

by Anonymousreply 18705/01/2021

[quote]Why did Mock take the deal in the first place? He’s a joke.

Because he’s most likely BPD or has some other personality disorder or mental illness. He’s not a stable or healthy person and never has been if you’ve read his memoir.

He grew up gay in a homophobic family, ran away to become a prostitute at 16– which he still claims was empowering, transitioned and somehow lucked into some pretty cushy media gigs at places like People magazine. Mock is really outspoken about transitioning kids too, based on his experience with his trans prostitute “family” when he was a teen.

That set must’ve been a nightmare with the likes of Mock, Moore, and Ross on it. Probably a lot was covered up.

by Anonymousreply 18805/01/2021

And left Twitter of course is applauding this public breakdown.

Seriously, if any one in any other industry has done this they’d be fired on the spot.

But because she’s trans and black she’s courageous and speaking her truth.

No, she’s not. She was inappropriate and unprofessional. Full stop.

She should lose work over this. But if she does, leftist Twitter will blame transphobia and not unprofessional conduct.

by Anonymousreply 18905/01/2021

Adult child of addicts is publicly messy at an inappropriate moment.

Groundbreaking.

by Anonymousreply 19005/01/2021

[quote]Personally I love seeing a trans woman as much of a fucking mess as everyone else!!!!

Is this your first day on the internet?

by Anonymousreply 19105/01/2021

Fuck this Cunt!

by Anonymousreply 19205/01/2021

As a black trans woman, Janet Movk is at the very top of the intersectional pyramid. Ryan as a white cisfag ( the language intersectional sjws use) is at the very bottom.

She can cancel Ryan Murphy at any moment so he needs to check himself and give her what she wants.

by Anonymousreply 19305/01/2021

Mock flocks to the cock then spews a crock and gets socked!

by Anonymousreply 19405/01/2021

When your career goes to the shitter at least you'll have Twitter

by Anonymousreply 19505/01/2021

[quote] To be clear, the entire series was ripped from themes brought up in “Paris Is Burning”. If anyone should be mad, it should be the subjects that are still alive for cashing in on their tragedies.

Which would be none of them. Willy Ninja, Pepper Labeija, Dorian Corey, Angie Xtravaganza... they're all long dead.

by Anonymousreply 19605/01/2021

R188 - I don't know about that. Her 'bio' is confusing. She supposedly started transitioning as a freshman in high school and funded her treatment by doing prostitution in her teens. Then, in the middle of her freshman year in college, she flew to Thailand to get the surgery.

I have a lot of questions about this timeline and events. I'd like to see her mom interviewed - I don't think Janet's version of events are 100% true.

How many dicks do you have to suck to afford a multiple week trip to Thailand with surgery at the age of 18? It says the costs are between $15,000 to $25,000, without airfare or accommodations.

It's impressive she got it done, but I think she's leaving out a lot of details.

by Anonymousreply 19705/01/2021

She can get surgery on everything but the troglodyte brow bone. Once a man, always a man.

by Anonymousreply 19805/01/2021

She'll be back to turning tricks on the streets for $40 next year.

by Anonymousreply 19905/01/2021

[quote] She'll be back to turning tricks on the streets for $40 next year.

Which is why she had her surgery done in Thailand--so she could learn more about the tricks of the trade while she was there.

by Anonymousreply 20005/01/2021

The only thing that's fun about this is to imagine Ryan Murphy's horror and consternation at all this. He fully deserves this for how loudly he's congratulated himself for being so woke for doing this show. I'm sure he's spending the weekend on the phone with everyone trying to figure out how to minimize the damage this is doing to his reputation.

by Anonymousreply 20105/01/2021

Pose season 3 review from The Hollywood Reporter:

"... the drama returns to its gooey roots for its last outing, with odes to friendship and speechifying about how kind and beautiful and special the characters are in nearly every one of the seven installments. There's a lot of love, but a lot less compelling storytelling."

by Anonymousreply 20205/01/2021

“how kind and beautiful and special the characters are...”

If they don’t mention how stunning and brave they are, it is literal violence.

by Anonymousreply 20305/01/2021

Didn’t know she started fucking her current BF when he was 23 and working as her subordinate? Kind of gross

by Anonymousreply 20405/01/2021

[quote] As a black trans woman, Janet Movk is at the very top of the intersectional pyramid. Ryan as a white cisfag ( the language intersectional sjws use) is at the very bottom. She can cancel Ryan Murphy at any moment so he needs to check himself and give her what she wants.

Not only that, but she is also a former SEX WORKER. So she is the HERO to end ALL HEROES.

by Anonymousreply 20505/01/2021

I wonder if this cunt gave recounts of her first hand experience as a prostitute when they were filming that Hollywood show?

by Anonymousreply 20605/01/2021

Is Janet talented? What, apart from her "lived experience" qualifies her to be an executive producer? Is her writing accomplished?

by Anonymousreply 20705/01/2021

$40,000 per episode is like $12,000 take home after agents, managers, taxes, etc. And they only did seven episodes this season. So she isn’t making a whole lot from this particular show (which has always been a weak ratings performer for FX).

by Anonymousreply 20805/01/2021

I had never heard of Pose until this thread. I had heard of how courageous and inspirational Mock was, maybe because she actually looks like a woman. I have no idea why she deserves a suite or would bother to talk about it. I have no idea why anyone would give Caitlin Jenner an award. If you don't get an award for being a woman, one is not needed for being a good simulation.

by Anonymousreply 20905/01/2021

R201, it is quite funny, isn't it? It's like R17 said: it's never enough, and I hope Murphy has learnt that lesson. Trigger warning for y'all but I'm about to quote Winston Churchill: Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last.

by Anonymousreply 21005/01/2021

He’s a great guy, a really brave man.

by Anonymousreply 21105/01/2021

Why did she NEED a suite?

by Anonymousreply 21205/01/2021

^ Those personality issues aren't all going to fit in one room.

by Anonymousreply 21305/01/2021

Is 40,000 dollars an episode not a lot? This bitch sounds beyond entitled. It's almost nauseating.

by Anonymousreply 21405/01/2021

Murphy should have hired Susan Batson, an esteemed acting coach, to set these "girls" straight.

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by Anonymousreply 21505/01/2021

Yes R197 there is a lot in his memoirs that doesn’t add up. He most likely had a chaser sugar daddy funding his surgery, but chasers are a real sore subject for trans women like Mock and Laverne Cox. They hate acknowledging that 90% of the men they attract are chaser who are already aware that they are men. Mock claiming his current and past lovers didn’t know he’s male is wishful thinking on his part.

by Anonymousreply 21605/01/2021

[quote] $40,000 per episode is like $12,000 take home after agents, managers, taxes, etc. And they only did seven episodes this season. So she isn’t making a whole lot from this particular show (which has always been a weak ratings performer for FX).

Honey, that's still a lot more than the $100 a throw she could get otherwise on Santa Monica Boulevard.

by Anonymousreply 21705/01/2021

What she neglects to mention is that Ryan also gave her work directing on The Politician. Janet had an episode on that piece of shit then went right into working on her next season of Pose. So he's giving her work on more than one project and she's shitting all over him.

Once more, the pay scale depends on what kind of show is being produced and what kind of platform it will air on. The farther you get from network tv the lower the pay scale, that's just how it works. No one is going to hand Janet more money for doing a short run show on cable than the pay scale demands.

Is the name Janet now going to become pejorative slang?

by Anonymousreply 21805/01/2021

If she's incorporated (and she probably is) she should be able to clear 20,000 (50%) per episode. Agents/Manager/Lawyer/Taxes usually take up 45-50% of the fees for incorporated actors.

Whether her talent or experience warrants a salary of 40,000 is a completely separate issue

by Anonymousreply 21905/01/2021

r216 I don't understand how Laverne, who at one time tried to push the idea that the penis can be female, could have issue with the fact her men are chasers. In early interviews she seemed very comfortable with being a lady with a penis.

by Anonymousreply 22005/01/2021

[quote]He ended his remarks with a heartfelt thank you to Mock for her support, concluding, “It is not lost on me that, as a cis man, my career and this story is built on the backs of Black and Afro-Latinx trans women who have told the best story of all. So thank you, especially, to the women of our show.”

His ENTIRE CAREER was built on the backs of Black and LatinX trans women? Wtf. Talk about pandering. And look how far it got you, asshole traitor to your own people ("CIS" gay men).

by Anonymousreply 22105/01/2021

[quote]I had heard of how courageous and inspirational Mock was, maybe because she actually looks like a woman.

Not so much in person though.

I have been around trans women that have way more female energy than Janet does, just about all the drag queens in RPDR have more female energy than Janet. She is an interesting vibe of not quite this but not really that when you get to be around her and she's not as petite as I expected her to be. My feeling is that those trans women who really do present unquestionably as female and who truly have that feminine energy aren't the ones shoving trans issues in the public's face.

by Anonymousreply 22205/01/2021

$40K/episode is a pretty healthy fee for a non-showrunning EP on an FX series, especially for someone with Mock’s limited experience. For her to even get the EP title after working on her first series for only 2 years is a big deal. Usually a writer-producer has to start at staff writer level and then work his or her way up the ranks to story editor, executive story editor, producer, supervising producer, co-EP and then EP.

In other words, Murphy elevated her a lot faster than is customary and gave her the opportunity to get directing credits under her belt (and with no prior directing experience, either).

Not only that, her work on POSE led to a multimillion dollar overall at Netflix, meaning that she is being paid a seven-figure guarantee to develop new shows exclusively for them. Typically a writer doesn’t get offered an overall until he or she has created and run his or her own series (or multiple series) after staffing for several years on other series.

All that is to say: Mock’s rise has been extraordinarily fast by industry standards and she has no business complaining about how the industry has treated her when other talented writers kill themselves for years before getting the kinds of opportunities she’s been given — if at all.

She shot herself in the foot by doing this. It was especially stupid to embarrass Murphy, to whom her fortunes are clearly tied.

by Anonymousreply 22305/01/2021

[quote]And left Twitter of course is applauding this public breakdown.

There are plenty of people there who either don't agree with her or agree with some of her points but think it was incredibly stupid that she presented them that way.

[quote]He ended his remarks with a heartfelt thank you to Mock for her support, concluding, “It is not lost on me that, as a cis man, my career and this story is built on the backs of Black and Afro-Latinx trans women who have told the best story of all. So thank you, especially, to the women of our show.”

He's been doing this a long time and has enough training from working with Simon Halls doing his PR to know that he has to respond like that publicly. Privately he's going to freeze her ass out. Nene Leakes will get an invitation to do another series before she does.

by Anonymousreply 22405/01/2021

"Executives get special training to feign emotions publicly while privately being cold calculating robots that exact revenge on all the trannies I hate."

by Anonymousreply 22505/01/2021

This is such a publicity stunt for the new season of the show that I will not be watching. When did she realize the $40,000 per episode was not enough -- before or after she signed the contract stating her salary?

by Anonymousreply 22605/01/2021

R225, that was R163, dear.

I don't have a problem with trans people. I'm not even sure why this board always seems to. I think Angelica Ross, another of Murphy's talents, is actually wonderful. She also seems to be grateful to him which is exactly why she'll continue to work with him. There's a reason she got an upgrade from Pose to American Horror Story.

by Anonymousreply 22705/01/2021

She also could have negotiated for more money in order to stay on and do a second season.

by Anonymousreply 22805/01/2021

Actually Angelica is strongly supporting Janet's rant, so Miss Ross may want to start looking in the want ads.

by Anonymousreply 22905/01/2021

R193 No, she can't.

Maybe on woke twitter she has power, but in real life her power is absolutely nothing compared with him.

If he wants her career is over, basically because it was him the one giving her only prominent roles and ater the meltdown i doubt people wait in lline to hire her

by Anonymousreply 23005/01/2021

193 what you smokin?

Crack is wack.

by Anonymousreply 23105/01/2021

Murphy, Canals and Mock have all been praised for the show. The narrative of Murphy taking the credit is absolute bullshit. You know Twitter wouldn't have had that in the first season.

There was tons of press of Mock being the first transwoman of color to write and direct a TV drama episode.

She has had smoke blown up her ass since the show started so she can't play that I was undervalued shit. Maybe in pay but she signed a contract. She wanted the gig, so she played nice and now she wants the glory and attention and more money. But the show is done, she's revealed herself as unhinged and what's it going to get her? Lots of support on Twitter, maybe. But I hope Murphy doesn't pander to her. He already gave her a job on The Politician (as noted above).

She needs a better agent if anything. The praise after writing/directing Love is the Message gave her a little more leverage for pay negotiations. But she chose to throw a tantrum instead of being a professional.

by Anonymousreply 23205/01/2021

How old is this bitch? Real age, please, not tranny years.

by Anonymousreply 23305/01/2021

He really is tiresome, As for his boyfriend Angel - would he be considered heterosexual if Mr. Mock has had his cock amputated?

by Anonymousreply 23405/01/2021

R223 nails it. That's especially what bothers me about Janet's rant. She's been given a career in the entertainment industry on a silver platter. I remember learning she had directed an episode of "Hollywood" and I thought she was just dipping her toe into the television pond. A few weeks later it was announced she would be directing a feature and had a deal with Netflix. Usually only nepotism babies that hit it big with a Sundance indie get that kind of deal so fast. She's now acting like Hollywood has its boots on her throat, when in fact she's gotten treated better than 99.9% of people working behind the scenes.

by Anonymousreply 23505/01/2021

I forget she did an ep of Hollywood too. So the recap. . .

Exec., director, writer on Pose.

Director on The Politician

Director on Hollywood

Poor thing. Fuck this bitch.

by Anonymousreply 23605/01/2021

People always want to say horrible things about Murphy but one thing I know for certain, those who stay with him and work with him are rewarded in grand fashion. Name your wish and he will try and grant it for you if you are talking sense and being reasonable.

That does not happen very often in Hollywood these days, it used to happen more when movies and tv shows were controlled by producers who LOVED the business of storytelling. They were generous and treated their crews and other staff like family but those are by gone days for the most part.

Talk all the shit you want about this man but he's one of the better bosses in the business today.

by Anonymousreply 23705/01/2021

And he hires openly gay actors, if gay people in positions of power in Hollywood hire gay actors the absurd debate of only gay actors can play gay roles will be over in a minute.

The problem with Murphy is he has good ideas, but the execution is pretty bad, specially ater the first season

by Anonymousreply 23805/01/2021

[quote] at one time tried to push the idea that the penis can be female

omfg. I am dead.

by Anonymousreply 23905/01/2021

[quote]I think many trans people begin their journey by realizing they don't conform to the norms assigned to the gender of their birth.

Frankly this is a big part of the "trans" illness, a complete lack of balls, imagination, and spine to ignore SOME of society's ideas of gender norms and just say, "I am a man, I act how I act, therefore the way I act is perfectly acceptable for a man!" That's how I faced being a gay male with plenty of sissy in me and they can as well.

Instead this bizarre gender-appropriating, science denying trans agenda has warped my fellow lefties. It's ALL based on strict gender norms created by straight people and I reject it wholly!

by Anonymousreply 24005/01/2021

Y’all are jealous cuz she got fucked by Christopher Meloni.

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by Anonymousreply 24105/01/2021

[quote]It was mentioned in that NYT article that Mock was a hooker in her teens.

I would not rush to believe everything out of Janet Mock's mouth.

Oh, no. I would not do that.

by Anonymousreply 24205/01/2021

[quote]She shot herself in the foot by doing this.

Big target, to be fair.

by Anonymousreply 24305/01/2021

This actually makes me appreciate Murphy more and I don't care for him. As r237 and r238 said, he is loyal.

He has been very loyal to Janet Mock and Angelica Ross. And he would probably be loyal to the rest. I imagine not to Indya because she's batshit crazy.

by Anonymousreply 24405/01/2021

[quote]That’s because it was Anglicized from its original version, Mockstein.

That’s because it was Anglicized from its original version, Mockfemale.

by Anonymousreply 24505/01/2021

[quote]She can cancel Ryan Murphy at any moment so he needs to check himself and give her what she wants.

In a thread with more than its share of nutty replies, this is the nuttiest!

by Anonymousreply 24605/01/2021

[quote]Typically a writer doesn’t get offered an overall until he or she has created and run his or her own series (or multiple series) after staffing for several years on other series.

It is both sad and comical that the one thing Janet Mock will never realize is that he is a classic TOKEN HIRE!

by Anonymousreply 24705/01/2021

Bloody hell. That image in 241 s post...you can tell just by loking at the back. I now think that I know the provenance of the "recent" controlling Trans Narrative. Not a one of them can pass. I also know that no real straight man has ever been "fooled" by a trans to the point that they they never caught a clue when having sex. No matter how feminine in the face they present the back and shoulders and ribcage will NEVER lie, much less the pelvis. Women who fall for the "my man was fooled by a transwoman" lie is are fucking fools. Just accept that ypour man is either G or B and go for a check up. As for Miss Jan. I am sure that they will get another job in craven Hollywood. Comments on Janet Mock that contain censure about their abuse of their boyfriend that originally had nearly two and a half thousand likes are now showing eighteen likes. After all, IT is riven with soft bodied, need to be in the sun some more incels, non binairies, trans and whatnot. They won't have liked witnessing the censure that Janet Mock is getting from their own fellow Black transwomen and LGB.

by Anonymousreply 24805/01/2021

Isn't that Dominique Jackson (Elektra) in that image with Meloni?

Mock is the writer/director/exec producer of Pose. She's not in the show.

by Anonymousreply 24905/01/2021

R156 LOL at calling the trans Candace Owens sane. Fuck off

by Anonymousreply 25005/01/2021

r248 to be fair I have met a couple of trans women that can pass, they do have a hint of androgyny to them but they can pass as female.

by Anonymousreply 25105/01/2021

R251 No they do not.

by Anonymousreply 25205/01/2021

X to doubt r251

I don’t know if it’s facial blindness or people just not intending to clock ‘em, but when standing next to actual women, these men do not pass.

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by Anonymousreply 25305/01/2021

First of all, Mock is being paid a great salary for a marginal show on a marginal network and the fact that he has marginal talent and experience. Yes, this has been stated already. And Mock has basically been minted in television and this poor little $40K a week job has brought him a multi-million dollar deal for doing NOTHING! The man has not proven he can deliver one fucking success. NO ONE gets that kind of deal without proving they have the goods (even if they got their goods cut off). So the unmitigated gall of this faux cunt drives me up the wall. Fire him, Netflix. Fire him IMMEDIATELY.

This reminds me of when that cunt Hilary Swank won the Oscar for Boys Don't Cry. The first words out of her horse mouth when she got the podium were, "This is great, because god knows we didn't get paid." Cunt- you won a fucking OSCAR. From a tiny indie that was so devalued, it had to be shot twice. You just basically got an annuity. You'll be able to work forever if you don't fuck it up. Your name has value. Before this, you were NOTHING. You know who didn't get paid- all the people below the line who busted their asses to get this film made. And you know who else didn't get paid, the entire cast of the first version of the film, back when it was called Stone, all of whom were replaced without so much as a "thank you and sorry" from Kimberly Peirce.

I worked for Christine Vachon as an intern in college back when Peirce came to show the film to her. We all watched it in the office. It had a totally different cast. Anna Grace played Brandon and Adria Tennor played Lana. Vachon wanted more control over the project so she told Peirce, we'll only do this if you throw everything out and start from scratch, which Peirce did. So no, Swank didn't suffer in the trenches for years with this film. She made it, moved on and then won an Oscar, and was supremely ungrateful. Just like Janet Mock.

by Anonymousreply 25405/01/2021

I didn't say Laverne Cox passes, I said I have met a couple of women who could pass.

It is possible but very very rare. Far more rare than the trans movement want people to believe.

This is a tiny tiny percentage of the population that, as we know for political reasons, is being pushed as occurring in human beings far more frequently than it actually does.

by Anonymousreply 25505/01/2021

Interesting story about Swank r254. Maybe that's why she ended up at that party for that dictator???

That money-grubbing whore!!

by Anonymousreply 25605/01/2021

[quote] Cunt- you won a fucking OSCAR. From a tiny indie that was so devalued, it had to be shot twice. You just basically got an annuity. You'll be able to work forever if you don't fuck it up.

But it didn't really work out for her like that did it?

by Anonymousreply 25705/01/2021

She's still working, so yes it did.

by Anonymousreply 25805/01/2021

Hilary Swank has the best Hollywood Fuck You Story: She gets fired from 90210, then books Boys Dont Cry and wins an Oscar.

How are Tori and Jennie doing?

by Anonymousreply 25905/01/2021

Maybe you didn't hear me, R 259. I didn't get PAID.

by Anonymousreply 26005/01/2021

Someone should start a boycott of the new season so that none of the cast and crew's trauma are profited from! It's the only thing to do if you REALLY care about supporting trans women and being an ally!

by Anonymousreply 26105/01/2021

[quote] Is 40,000 dollars an episode not a lot? This bitch sounds beyond entitled. It's almost nauseating.

$40k does seem low for someone credited as an executive producer, director and/or writer of a prestige cable network show. One that won a historic Emmy for Billy Porter. However, there is so much content today, perhaps the glut of content has lowered compensation for creatives. It is also likely that the contributions of the previously-unknown trans women of color in the cast and behind the scenes are undercompensated.

by Anonymousreply 26205/01/2021

The 4K was just for writing.

by Anonymousreply 26305/01/2021

R262 - historic Emmys and 'prestige' you claim does not = series revenue. And don't confuse that she has directed or written a few episodes as being the producer, director and writer. She is NOT Shonda Rimes.

by Anonymousreply 26405/01/2021

She didn't executive produce Pose

by Anonymousreply 26505/01/2021

[quote] She can cancel Ryan Murphy at any moment so he needs to check himself and give her what she wants.

[quote] In a thread with more than its share of nutty replies, this is the nuttiest!

But it is so typical of a certain type of trans mindset that Janet Mock shares: "If you do not do exactly as I say, I will have a public hissy fit, and that will DESTROY you!" This is also the current woke mindset too--do as I say or I will cancel you. It rarely works in actuality, but it does work a very few times.

by Anonymousreply 26605/01/2021

Here’s the link to Hilary swanks best actress win in 2000. It’s nothing like what r254 described. She hugged Kimberly pierce and the comment about not getting paid much was clearly a joke.

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by Anonymousreply 26705/01/2021

She could have been giggling like Jackie the Jokeman Martling through the whole speech, it was still a cunty and unnecessary thing to say. And it's exactly like I described it, because I said that she said it. I didn't assign any tenor to it.

by Anonymousreply 26805/01/2021

She’s not even LeAnn Rimes...

by Anonymousreply 26905/01/2021

I guess Miss Histrionic didn't see what happened to Katherine Heigl and David Caruso.

Shonda Rimes and Ryan Murphy both work with the same actors over and over again. Not a good move to bite the hand that has been feeding you.

by Anonymousreply 27005/01/2021

Is 40K normal for writing a TV episode? She produced too. Did she get 40k just for the stuff she wrote? How does TV pay usually?

by Anonymousreply 27105/01/2021

Folks, TV is not like film. Much of the permanent writing staff on a show will be assigned an EP credit at some point if they stick around long enough (and some get it out of the gate depending on their experience, or in Mock's case, Murphy's desire to lend an air of authenticity to the show despite the fact that Mock had ZERo experience). Everyone in the writer's room pitches story ideas, breaks down script outlines and figures out the map of the season. One writer per weekly episode may get assigned that particular script to write but are usually always rewritten, many times by the showrunner. But Mock is not on the set physically producing any episodes. So $40K per episode, for a low, low, low rated cable series that has zero cache, and zero buzz, for someone with zero experience is very generous indeed.

by Anonymousreply 27205/01/2021

I know someone who wrote for Veep. She doesn't seem that rich. What is the usual fee for writing an episode?

by Anonymousreply 27305/01/2021

There are different contracts based on the platform you are writing for, cable pays less than network but HBO, Showtime, Amazon, Netflix are not far off from network.

Streaming (new media like Apple) will pay less than some cable contracts (AMC and others) although CBS streaming and Paramount streaming will pay more than new media.

Mock had no experience at all and the show is on FX which is lower tier cable production.

by Anonymousreply 27405/01/2021

I just checked the Veep person's credits. It's odd she was a producer for 5 years but only wrote three episodes in that time. Would that pay well?

by Anonymousreply 27505/01/2021

It would if she was getting paid for being a producer and the writing credits and pay were additional.

by Anonymousreply 27605/01/2021

Don't forget that we only have Janet's word that she only gets $40k an episode, and her word probably ain't worth much.

by Anonymousreply 27705/02/2021

R248 Gay men are not attracted to transwomen and straight men can be way more naive than you think.

A decade ago spanish actor Paco León (who is bisexual himself) became popular on a tv show where he imitated a lot of popular characters. One of them was model an tv host Raquel Revuelta. He became so popular that he was the host of some tv awards and he did it on drag. It's known that a powerful straight business man asked some of the people there who was the hot woman hosting the awards.

Of course no straight man has sex with a trans woman without knowing it, but a lot of them have a bad reaction because they were attracted to someone who was not a biological woman which is hard to swallow for some

by Anonymousreply 27805/02/2021

Who are the idiots defending Murphy? He chose to play with fire in order to get fake woke points and now that fire is burning him. You know he doesn’t give a damn about any of his actors! Oh and he hires gay people? You mean gay white people in their 20s that he wants to h e sex with? Murphy like all of them is a fake piece of shit.

I mean Mock is crazy too. I’m not defending him.

Americans are the dumbest people ever. They spent so much time feeling sorry for the rich people who are robbing them blind while they eat food scraps. Nobody in a Hollywood is worthy of respect. Nobody in Hollywood is truly woke.

Stop defending them and start enjoying them squirm instead.

Anyone associated with a Ryan Murphy show (backstage too) can disappear and the world will be a better place.

by Anonymousreply 27905/02/2021

You seem nihilistic, r279.

by Anonymousreply 28005/02/2021

Cause I think Hollywood is full of scum? Lol.

I guess if your life is based on social media and reality tv stars, then yes I am.

by Anonymousreply 28105/02/2021

When I looked at Twitter, I expected a MeToo debate there. Janet is the boss who left her husband for a supporting actor on Pose and hooked up with several crew members on the show (according to rumors), not just one. How is this not inappropriate behavior and abuse of power?

And imagine someone like George Clooney telling his wife in front of everyone at the film premiere how he cheated on her and how she was not allowed to leave him. Would he be called stunning and brave? I do not think so.

by Anonymousreply 28205/02/2021

Why is there no footage of this? She MUST have had someone rolling an iPhone camera, right?

by Anonymousreply 28305/02/2021

“You have stomped on us!” is too good not to immediately become a DL catchphrase.

by Anonymousreply 28405/02/2021

R215 Susan Bateson wtf she’s everything.

by Anonymousreply 28505/02/2021

R282 puts it into proper perspective. The trans community has reframed bad behavior so that it is always an act of “truth-telling” and they are always the victims.

by Anonymousreply 28605/02/2021

[quote] Who are the idiots defending Murphy? He chose to play with fire in order to get fake woke points and now that fire is burning him. You know he doesn’t give a damn about any of his actors! Oh and he hires gay people? You mean gay white people in their 20s that he wants to h e sex with? Murphy like all of them is a fake piece of shit.

Say what you will about Murphy but he's one of the few producers bringing gay content on TV. I personally don't care about Pose that much but I certainly get the importance it holds in the gay history. Never mind that it's not really my history besides bringing vogueing into pop but it was still important for others. He did a good thing when he decided to do the show. It's a shame he's getting slammed for that.

It's interesting to see what happens to Mock now. She clearly thinks she's now too big to fail which is totally ridiculous since she's practically a fledgling in the industry. I hope people from the production point out publically she was compensated fairly. If I was Murphy I'd thank her for the work she's done and severe ties completely with her. I'm sure she'd then have another public fit for getting fired for only speaking her truth.

by Anonymousreply 28705/02/2021

That sounds like she had a drug or alcohol induced meltdown (feeling like the walls are closing in regarding her relationship and the reveal she cheated perhaps?) Of course, it was unprofessional and she will very likely pay the price for that, but no matter if you're gay, straight, lesbian, bi, or trans we all have our own struggles, and they express themselves differently.

I love Pose, I love the cast, I love Murphy for getting it greenlit.

[quote] Paco León

He played a trans character in Netflix's House of Flowers. It's a wonderful dark comedy featuring gay characters, too.

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by Anonymousreply 28805/02/2021

There's also the great Spanish TV series Veneno.

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by Anonymousreply 28905/02/2021

I admit that I honestly believe most trans people suffer from gender dysmorphia, resulting from (as has been pointed out,) strongly internalize, rigid concepts of gender expression that they have failed to recognize are simply concepts imposed by the culture.  Rather than question the concepts they question their gender, and it becomes a kind of panacea for them.  "if I could just get the surgery, all would be well" kind of mentality.  Sadly, it seems many learn that their underlying issues don't evaporate with acceptance and gender reassignment.

I am also very aware that homosexuality was believed to be an illness created(in men)  by an overbearing mother and a weak father. This is viewed now as an antiquated concept of course, and I don't want to stigmatize sexual rebels or nonconformists as mentally ill in the way gay people were stigmatized for decades.

Having said that, i keep looking for ways to defend this woman, and I can't find a defense anywhere.  She presents a thoroughly unqualified, entitled, token woke hire. She has not only presided over a show that was not artistically successful, but she has also loudly bitten the hand that fed her in the most self-immolating way imaginable.  Authoring the hashtag #girlslikeus is hardly a credential that could justify the chances she's had.

I hated Murphy's series HOLLYWOOD. It was a woke wet dream fantasy, which was only redeemed by a few performances, notably  Jim Parsons and Mantello.  Two middle-aged white men, who also have actual credits and experience.   Talent matters. Experience matters. Janet Mock had NO business making her directorial debut on that project. If the woke criteria of "lived experience" is a necessary qualification, she had no fucking business touching that world. Of course, your "lived experience" is not a qualification for anything. Imagination, Talent, and Skill create art. Fuck this woke nonsense

Murphy brought this on himself to the extent that he sometimes makes these bizarre hires like Mock.  Why are all the transgender people on POSE young and or relatively beautiful?   Where is the representation for those trans people who cannot pass, who are ugly, and who struggle with acceptance in their own community?  What about the old trans people who might have actually lived the ballroom era in their 30s who would now be in their 70s? The show basically feels like a 14 year old girl conceived of it, hired all her less talented friends, and indulged each of their egoistic desires to keep them from going home.

Can you imagine this show without Billy Porter? One of the few series regulars with talent and experience.  That shit matters and Ryan Murphy is guilty here of not prioritizing those fundamentals.

If you don't have talent, you better have skill.  If you don't have either, you better be willing to learn.

by Anonymousreply 29005/02/2021

😭 $o Poor !

by Anonymousreply 29105/02/2021

Queerty hasn't mentioned this at all even though it's all in for the show. It even has a countdown clock when the final season starts.

What surprised me is that this took place at an official event and there is no clip available? No leak? I assume someone powerful (like Murphy) got the press to not release any film footage.

by Anonymousreply 29205/02/2021

No one had a cell phone?

by Anonymousreply 29305/02/2021

R289 Directed and created for a gay couple.

La Veneno was a very popular trans during some years in Spain, unfortunately she didn't have good taste in men, and the story ended really bad

by Anonymousreply 29405/02/2021

R292 Not that rare, in queerty you can get banned for any criticism (i did it with the trans in sports and well, i can't write there anymore, and i have nothing against trans, but in sports is a very hard sell)

by Anonymousreply 29505/02/2021

R294 Created by a gay couple

by Anonymousreply 29605/02/2021

R290 Mr Peabody is that you?

by Anonymousreply 29705/02/2021

[quote] The show basically feels like a 14 year old girl conceived of it, hired all her less talented friends, and indulged each of their egoistic desires to keep them from going home.

This is a good metaphor for Murphy and his worst instinct: hiring the children of celebrities. For every risk he takes on unknown talent (Evan Peters, Finn Wittrock, Glen Powell, David Corenswet, notice a trend here) he also balances it out with his shameless starfucking.

by Anonymousreply 29805/02/2021

[quote] This is a good metaphor for Murphy and his worst instinct: hiring the children of celebrities.

Both Billie Lourd and Lily Rabe were stand-outs in their first Murphy projects.

by Anonymousreply 29905/02/2021

[quote] Why are all the transgender people on POSE young and or relatively beautiful?

One can simply write that off as the caveat to the fantasy of Hollywood. However, Mock’s hiring and media success, which is all behind the scenes, is clearly due to the white man’s fetishization of the black transwoman who can pass. And is therefore more deserving of opportunities than, say, Laverne Cox.

by Anonymousreply 30005/02/2021

[quote]Both Billie Lourd and Lily Rabe were stand-outs in their first Murphy projects.

I wouldn't be in a rush to put Billie Lourd and Lily Rabe in the same category. Rabe is an actual actress of talent and skill. Billie is the daughter Bryan Lourd, Co-Chair & Managing Director of CAA

by Anonymousreply 30105/02/2021

Lily Rabe is the daughter of Jill Clayburgh who was an actress, not a celebrity. Hiring her is not like hiring Patrick Schwarzenegger or Paris Jackson.

by Anonymousreply 30205/02/2021

She’s become a punana non grata.

by Anonymousreply 30305/02/2021

[quote] Lily Rabe is the daughter of Jill Clayburgh who was an actress, not a celebrity.

Oh, now we are at the stage where posters define what counts as a celebrity in order to save their argument? Ooooookay.

by Anonymousreply 30405/02/2021

I will also add that Murphy’s hiring and nurturing of Mock has the trademarks of what happens when tastemaker begins to fall out of fashion and is desperately trying to stay relevant. The cruelty of Mock to Murphy is that there is truth in her complaint, there is a parasitic quality in Murphy, with him using Mock’s media image to give artificial respiration to his dying brand of entertainments. It’s no coincidence that she was sent to direct The Politician and Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 30505/02/2021

R305 Sorry but that's laughable. Mock is a nobody, and all her career depedned of Murphy and now he is the parasite, yeah sure

by Anonymousreply 30605/02/2021

If Murphy was trying to reinvent himself with Wokeness, what better way than to hire Janet Mock? Did she go to film school? Where there no transwoman film school graduates who could have been taken under his wing? No but Mock had the media image and the bombshell look that white men like, so she cut to the front of the line.

by Anonymousreply 30705/02/2021

Apologies if this has been posted but I only saw the Daily Beast article. Page Six has less editorializing by the writer and more actual quotes.

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Her quotes to her boytoy are really embarrassing. Why bring that up when you are trying to state your case for deserving more money and trans rights?

by Anonymousreply 30905/02/2021

For those who don’t want to click:

Janet Mock, an executive producer and director on the FX drama “Pose,” left co-stars, network bosses and reporters stunned at the show’s premiere party Thursday night by ad-libbing a wide-ranging and flabbergastingly fiery speech.

During the 15-minute speech, she complained about how much the network is paying her, demanded better treatment for the trans community, shouted “F-ck Hollywood,” revealed that she’d slept with someone in the show’s crew, asked her “Pose” actor boyfriend not to leave her over the infidelity, decried the quality of the writing on the show, and had a brief conversation with co-creator and Hollywood mogul Ryan Murphy from the stage.

Early in her talk, Mock, 38, wondered aloud, “Why am I making $40,000 an episode? Huh?”

“I am angry!,” she said, demanding more money and perks equal to other TV executives.

The room at Jazz at Lincoln Center fell completely silent as Mock shouted: “F–k Hollywood … Does this make you uncomfortable? It should. It should make you f–king shake in your motherf–king boots. This is speaking truth. This is what ‘Pose’ is.”

Mock next complained about the quality of the material from male writers on the show’s first two episodes, then addressed Murphy, saying that “you brought … girls in to help you.”

“Who brought the girls in?,” she asked him. “I did,” Murphy replied, “I wanted the girls to be there.”

But the speech took an even more personal turn when Mock demanded that boyfriend Angel Bismark Curiel “stand up … right now!”

Bismark Curiel nervously stood up, and Mock said to the crowd, “Let me tell you something about love.”

“Today, I was gonna let [Angel] go,” she said. “I was gonna let you go, right, but what did I do? I f–ked someone on the crew, right?”

At that revelation, one of the show’s guest stars could be heard gasping and asked, “What the hell is happening?”

“Angel, Angel. I’m not losing you. You hear me? You are f–king important to me,” Mock continued. “I don’t want to live in a house alone. I want you. You motherf–ker. Right there. That’s who I want. I’m getting what’s mine.”

by Anonymousreply 31005/02/2021

That speech took balls.

by Anonymousreply 31105/02/2021

[quote] “Angel, Angel. I’m not losing you. You hear me? You are f–king important to me,” Mock continued. “I don’t want to live in a house alone. I want you. You motherf–ker. Right there. That’s who I want. I’m getting what’s mine.”

Angel better not have a pet rabbit. Janet's not gonna be ignored.

by Anonymousreply 31205/02/2021

Mock then apologized to composer Our Lady J — a producer and writer on “Pose” — and said she’d tried to diminish her to “make myself bigger.”

I f–ked up, y’all. I forgot who the f–k I was. They want me to come up here and pretend,” she said. “I don’t need Hollywood, honey. You know why? Cuz I’m f–king free.”

Mock provided some inspirational words for cast members — including Dominique Jackson, Indya Moore and the show’s lead, MJ Rodriguez — before turning her attention back to the industry at large.

“It’s a show, but it means so much to everyone to ‘ensure that we enable black and brown trans women to make it’ because that sounds good,” she said sarcastically. “It makes you comfortable to talk like that because then I don’t scare you into facing the f–king truth. You all have stomped on us.”

An insider who has worked with Mock told Page Six that she seemed “emotionally unhinged” and suggested her revelation about her relationship may have been the cause.

“She seemed almost immediately remorseful at what she aired publicly,” they said.

A visibly shaken Mock admitted that she was afraid the forthright speech might have ruined her career, though some in the room had her back, such as Jackson, who shouted from the audience, “Thank you for speaking for me!”

Mock was scheduled to promote the show on “Good Morning America” on Friday, but insiders told us the appearance was canceled after she gave her speech.

Mock did not get back to us and her reps did not comment.

by Anonymousreply 31305/02/2021

To recap:

Mock was hired as co-EP on Pose.

Then in 2019 Mock signed a 3-year deal with Netflix for exclusive rights to series she develops and a first look at feature films. It sounds like it's because of Ryan Murphy:

[quote]As part of the deal, she will join Ryan Murphy's series Hollywood — the first project produced under Murphy's megadeal with Netflix — as an executive producer and director.

For his Netflix projects, Murphy hired her on the Politician, as EP on Hollywood, and now EP on Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story.

This person doesn't have a TV career outside the Murphy stable, and followed him into a deal on Netflix. Is this meltdown a suicide mission or an attempt to blackmail Murphy/Netflix into more money on the current project?

by Anonymousreply 31405/02/2021

It’s crazy how the daily beast glossed over the abusive, manipulative way she embarrassed her partner/employee in front of all of his coworkers and industry people.

And how she admits to treating Our Lady J, another trans woman, poorly just to make herself look better. The guy said it was nice she was apologizing. I would say don’t congratulate an apology without acknowledging this person obviously fostered a toxic work environment and by all accounts Lady J is lovely.

by Anonymousreply 31505/02/2021

[quote]“It’s a show, but it means so much to everyone to ‘ensure that we enable black and brown trans women to make it’ because that sounds good,” she said sarcastically. “It makes you comfortable to talk like that because then I don’t scare you into facing the f–king truth. You all have stomped on us.”

She is not wrong here. White cisgender gay men go straight for the “trans women of color card” to claim solidarity in the victim Olympics. Much of the fatigue people have with the apparent Transwoman of Color victimhood culture is due to gay white men pushing it for Woke brownie points. And Murphy is the posterboy for this.

by Anonymousreply 31605/02/2021

With Ryan Murphy she’d just be another backroom drag queen doing her schtick to an audience of drunks. HE gave her a platform, and this is the thanks he gets? The show would never in a million years have been greenlighted without him.

by Anonymousreply 31705/02/2021

[quote]That speech took balls.

Well, I guess he at least has those.

Snark aside, this speech did not take balls. This speech was STUNNING in its cowardice, not brave at all. This woman should not be managing a Denny's let alone be in the vicinity of writing and directing television. Two professions, I must add, with qualified women of color scrambling to get a fraction of what she was so indulgently given.

It isn't courage to swan dive off a cliff in front of a crows screaming "look at me, everyone, look what YOU have done to ME" It is the height of narcissism and a deflection from her lack of ability to execute the job she was criminally paid 40,000 per episode to execute

by Anonymousreply 31805/02/2021

Whoa! WTF did she do to her boyfriend in front of everyone? What a total piece of shit. "I don't want to live in an empty house - I'm getting what's mine."

A few things or all of the following are happening: she had a breakdown, fame went to her head, she was drunk/high or she has delusions of grandeur.

Name one person in Hollywood that could go up on stage and say something like that with no repurcussions?

I'm scratching my head - has there ever been a worse, more damaging and disrespectful speech in entertainment history?

Now cut to the next morning where her phone is ringing off the hook and she's waking up to the reality shitstorm she just created. All the awkward stares at work, the silences - the whole apology tour she's going to do that will fall on deaf ears.

by Anonymousreply 31905/02/2021

[quote]Much of the fatigue people have with the apparent Transwoman of Color victimhood culture is due to gay white men pushing it for Woke brownie points.

Can you explain this? The fatigue I feel around victimhood culture in the trans community is due completely to the victimhood culture of the Twitter trans community.

The real victims in the Trans community are children and young trans women who die at an alarming rate, not social media trans "stunning and brave" bullhshit that basically ignores this reality

by Anonymousreply 32005/02/2021

Today, I was gonna let [Angel] go,” she said. “I was gonna let you go, right, but what did I do? I f–ked someone on the crew, right?”

At that revelation, one of the show’s guest stars could be heard gasping and asked, “What the hell is happening?”

I need to know which guest star this was

by Anonymousreply 32105/02/2021

R320 there are literally white gay men who start off speeches at LGBT functions by THANKING the transwoman of color for starting the gay rights movement.

by Anonymousreply 32205/02/2021

And maybe her partner wasnt embarrassed. Most people would be though.

by Anonymousreply 32305/02/2021

Does Angel (aka “what’s mine!”) fuck the gaped flesh wound or that plumped, shitty black culo?? Does he have a constant taste of WIG in his mouth?

by Anonymousreply 32405/02/2021

[quote] She is not wrong here. White cisgender gay men go straight for the “trans women of color card” to claim solidarity in the victim Olympics. Much of the fatigue people have with the apparent Transwoman of Color victimhood culture is due to gay white men pushing it for Woke brownie points. And Murphy is the posterboy for this.

The Trans Movement is still at its infant stages compared to, say, the Gay Rights Movement. I consider myself a Trans ally as well as a member of the LGBT Community, but I can see a lot of - what I consider - mistakes being made.

Even the whole LGBT Community would be nothing without the generous support of LGBT allies and companies pandering to the LGBT Community for its members to buy their stuff.

I know it's oversimplifying things, but yeah, it comes down to "don't bite the hand that feeds (aka. supports) you".

Mock had a public meltdown. Ryan Murphy saw something in her that he considered worthy of support (for whatever reason). I think Mock had a good ol' stress induced meltdown. Of course, that doesn't look good for her and makes it easy for critics to use it against her and the Trans Community.

by Anonymousreply 32505/02/2021

Janet was performing "fierce" and extra "street" for the fancy crowd, but misfired badly. Just a vulgar, self-destructive gas bag. People perform too much, especially actors and trans. Actor + award show + trans = recipe for disaster

by Anonymousreply 32605/02/2021

[quote] This woman should not be managing a Denny's let alone be in the vicinity of writing and directing television. Two professions, I must add, with qualified women of color scrambling to get a fraction of what she was so indulgently given.

Let’s be clear: Mock is not a woman. What actual black women face in the workplace and what men like Mock face are two completely separate things. Any discrimination Mock encounters— and yes, I believe he does encounter some— is because he is a feminine presenting gay man attempting to live as a woman; it is not the discrimination actual women deal with in their lives.

by Anonymousreply 32705/02/2021

Janet was just letting her genuine angry, privileged male character come out.

by Anonymousreply 32805/02/2021

I have a great idea for a remake of All About Eve but this time it’s about an aging gay showrunner who take a young transwoman of color under his wing only for her to stab him in the back.

I want Joe Mantello in the Bette Davis role, Dennis O’Hare in the Celeste Holm role, Jim Parsons in the George Sanders role, Robin de Jesus in the Thelma Ritter role, and David Corenswet in the Marilyn Monroe role.

by Anonymousreply 32905/02/2021

[quote] there are literally white gay men who start off speeches at LGBT functions by THANKING the transwoman of color for starting the gay rights movement.

I get what you mean now, r322 and I agree.

by Anonymousreply 33005/02/2021

[quote] I think Mock had a good ol' stress induced meltdown.

I'd say chemically induced. All these chemicals - hormones and otherwise - she's stuffing himself with.

by Anonymousreply 33105/02/2021

Like him or hate him, Murphy has more talent in his little fingernail than Mock has in his/her entire body. I’d like to see Mock try and get something up in Hollywood without him. You think Hollywood says yes to gay projects? The upcoming miniseries on Halston got hawked all over town without a single bite. NOT ONE. Then Murphy picked it up. And that’s a show about a privileged white male. Good luck Mock with getting your next black trans drama to screen!!

by Anonymousreply 33205/02/2021

Oh and Matt Bomer as the Bill character and Stephen Fry as Max Fabian.

by Anonymousreply 33305/02/2021

[quote]Let’s be clear: Mock is not a woman. What actual black women face in the workplace and what men like Mock face are two completely separate things. Any discrimination Mock encounters— and yes, I believe he does encounter some— is because he is a feminine presenting gay man attempting to live as a woman; it is not the discrimination actual women deal with in their lives.

This is very true.

by Anonymousreply 33405/02/2021

The general audience is NOT interested.

by Anonymousreply 33505/02/2021

Classic case of “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.”

by Anonymousreply 33605/02/2021

[quote] The general audience is NOT interested.

And is that the goal of gay themed entertainment? To please the general audience no matter what?

by Anonymousreply 33705/02/2021

R325 The trans movement is in it’s infant stages... what can we expect next?!

by Anonymousreply 33805/02/2021

[quote]“Who brought the girls in?,” she asked him. “I did,” Murphy replied, “I wanted the girls to be there.”

None of these people are 'girls'.

by Anonymousreply 33905/02/2021

I notice that woke Twitter isn't hawking this as heavily as I thought they might have. There are many posts with the predictable drivel " I hope Janet Mock is ok today" that seem to run equal to the " I hope Angel is ok today" The poor crew members she fucked, however, seem to be getting little to no mention.

What is interesting to me is how sparsely liked and commented on the "Stunning and Brave" tweets are. Most have zero likes, comments or retweets.

Perhaps this indicates that even woke Twitter doesn't want to jump on this bandwagon with ferocity, sensing the foundation is very shaky?

by Anonymousreply 34005/02/2021

It was a tasteless joke r318. Of corse the speech didn’t take balls - just a massive hole for the complete shit show it was.

by Anonymousreply 34105/02/2021

R332 - and to add, Ryan Murphy worked his way up for decades to get where he is, all the while pushing for gay and lesbian representation in his series. Nobody handed him anything.

You may say - oh he's a white man! But he's a gay white man and that wasn't some free ride over 20 years ago.

All of this Ryan Murphy bashing on this thread is really over the top and without merit.

by Anonymousreply 34205/02/2021

[quote]All of this Ryan Murphy bashing on this thread is really over the top and without merit.

I agree with this. Murphy deserves credit for his advocacy and his accomplishments. I think he also deserves a fair amount of criticism for elevating a few individuals strictly for their of the moment cultural status or their proximity to power.

But hey, this is show business and he makes calculated hires like everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 34305/02/2021

I wonder what would have happened if Hattie McDaniel applied the same scorched earth approach when she accepted her Oscar. Would there be more black representation in Hollywood, front and back of house OR none at all? I think we know. There is something to the “grin and bare it” stance at the beginning of any movement. Now POSE isn’t the beginning of the Trans movement. But it is at the beginning of trans open representation in Hollywood. Just fucking grin and bare it in the beginning like every other minority before you. When your shit breaks box office, then you start cracking whips.

by Anonymousreply 34405/02/2021

[quote]there is a parasitic quality in Murphy, with him using Mock’s media image to give artificial respiration to his dying brand of entertainments.

Not hiring marginalized people means you're a bigot and hiring marginalized people means you're a parasite. Got it.

by Anonymousreply 34505/02/2021

Janet, you’re not a woman, you’re a crazy, deranged trannie.

by Anonymousreply 34605/02/2021

R343 - all powerful Hollywood executives elevate people at some point or another. Oprah and Whoopi got huge fame bumps because of Color of Purple. But imagine if he had NOT put Janet Mock in those roles it would have been - cis people are exploiting us! And yet - the charge is still thrown at the people who helped to give them a voice, a show and representation.

R344 - there is no 'grin and bear it' - it is a show about POC trans including POC trans actors and producers and writers. How many almost exclusively gay shows are there with gay producers and actors? I can't think of any. Women's shows with women producers / directors?

Ryan Murphy gave them all that he could - and I'm sure it was not easy to convince people to take on this project. It never would have been made without him. No good deed goes unpunished.

by Anonymousreply 34705/02/2021

I don't know if it is fair to characterize Janet Mock's tantrum as growing pains of a movement. The fringe elements of the gay and lesbian rights movements might have erred on the side of being overly militant but were never dripping in entitlement or victimhood to this degree.

What the "stunning and brave" contingent seem to hold as justice is actually a blank check for any kind of behavior and an entitlement to the world fulfilling whatever their fantasies are, regardless of talent.

by Anonymousreply 34805/02/2021

Can you imagine ANY man (black, white, asian, latino) calling for their girlfriend to stand up in front of everyone, say that they cheated on them but they don't want to be lonely, so I'm staying with you motherfucker and I'm getting what's mine?

Holy shit! But if you're black and trans - hey, go for it! You can do whatever you want!

Hell, any woman who did that to their boyfriend would also be dragged, but not as severely as a man would. Because there's always a presumption that women only cheat because their male partners aren't doing the right things and they have an excuse.

by Anonymousreply 34905/02/2021

I guarantee that if audio of this ever comes out, they will edit out all the Angel and OLJ stuff and this will be taught in colleges as the beginning of the trans movement in Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 35005/02/2021

If I was the bf in that theatre I would have walked out, and rushed to clear out my shit from all shared accommodations and called it a day. I would probably be somewhat publicly civil to Mock after leaving her, however.

by Anonymousreply 35105/02/2021

R350 Think so?

by Anonymousreply 35205/02/2021

R351 - if they are still filming, can you imagine the tension and awkwardness on the set for all cast members? Talk about throwing a bucket of water on a project that all of them are extremely proud of.

She single-handedly ruined this show for the whole cast and crew. How could it not if she's the producer? This whole final season is going to be under the cloud of that speech - every interview with everyone on that show.

If anyone in your workplace pulled this stunt, would you work with them again or want to associate with them? Besides that IRL, that person would be fired in SECONDS of walking off that stage.

by Anonymousreply 35305/02/2021

Even the commenters on ONTD criticised her for this, which I wasn't expecting. Admittedly, some tried to excuse her, saying she must be suffering from some form of mental illness crisis, and some tried to put the blame on Murphy, etc, for not stopping her speaking (imagine the stories if that happened), but most were critical. When even those self-righteous cunts aren't backing you up, you know you fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 35405/02/2021

[quote]if they are still filming

They're not.

by Anonymousreply 35505/02/2021

R329/R333, I heartily approve of several of your choices, but who's Anne Baxter? Janet Mock?

by Anonymousreply 35605/02/2021

R356 the only black Transwoman actress I know is Laverne Cox. You pick one for me.

by Anonymousreply 35705/02/2021

I’ve seen the show and the only one who could act was the scary darker one, Dominique or whoever

by Anonymousreply 35805/02/2021

Thing is anyone that publicly criticizes her will be called transphobic or "canceled".

by Anonymousreply 35905/02/2021

R359 Yeah, no.

by Anonymousreply 36005/02/2021

Most people cancel vulgarians, and suffer no backlash for doing so.

by Anonymousreply 36105/02/2021

Oh and maybe Dylan McDermott for the Lloyd character. He’s good at playing scoundrels.

by Anonymousreply 36205/02/2021

R347 you missed my point entirely. Janet Mock needs to shut the fuck up and just endure any imagined trauma she feels she might have endured. You “grin and bare it” as to not derail any advancements your community has made. Just as Hattie McDaniel, a talented actress, was able to grin and bare winning the first Oscar for POC by basically playing a coon. You don’t set fire to a ship just as it launches.

by Anonymousreply 36305/02/2021

Question - if she got a 7 figure deal with Netflix in 2019 to develop shows...what are they? I'm not even going to ask how someone with no production or development experience gets such a deal, but where are the shows - even with the blip of the pandemic?

R363 - I see your point, but I just don't see the comparison in this case. The roles and the show were not dehumanizing and trans POC were also behind the scenes. I just don't know what there is to grin and bare about - outside of Janet's selfish one-sided plea to be one of the highest paid producers in media and the ability to fuck over her sexual partners publicly without recourse.

by Anonymousreply 36405/02/2021

Gurl I don't feel like reading this hussy's full saga. I just want to know what her ex husband looks like (was he fine?) and was she fucking someone on the cast? I just need the cliff notes ☕

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R365 Janet wasn’t JUST talking about her experience on POSE. She was using the historically valid point of trans people being stomped on to selfishly promote her own agenda. There is a bias that does exist against trans people in Hollywood - up until very recently they were usually portrayed as depraved murderers - dressed to kill, silence if the lambs. But once you actually start making strides at being portrayed as human, you don’t dismantle the very vehical that allowed you to advanced - no matter the imagined trauma you suffered making it. You grin and bare it, recognizing this will only lead to better opportunities.

When I was growing up gay people were either mincing queens as in the bird cage or dying from aids at the end of every episode. Then we moved on to the straight girls best friend. It’s only now that we are starting to move into just bring human.

by Anonymousreply 36605/02/2021

[quote] Why is there no footage of this? She MUST have had someone rolling an iPhone camera, right?

Someone must have whipped out their phone. People these days grab their phone and record at the first sign of drama. (Fortunately, in some cases.)

Unless for some reason they had confiscated all phones at the door, there’s video out there somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 36705/02/2021

Apart from nepotism, I can't come up with a single example of any writer/director in television getting this kind of incredible breaks without demonstrating any talent or competence related skills.

She literally had NO experience. None, not even directing the 8th grade play. A hashtag is her most notable professional accomplishment.

Murphy deserves that snake bite, I hope he learns from it. But first he needs to cut the cord on this ingrate.

by Anonymousreply 36805/02/2021

I feel guilty a lot for being white and cis. I know that's my own issue. It makes me want to hide away from the world because I just feel like unless I'm fighting for freedom for others every second I'm a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 36905/02/2021

[quote]I feel guilty a lot for being white and cis.

I get where you are coming from r369, but remember the goal of any genuine civil rights movement is to expand freedom, not to restrict it. There is nothing wrong with being white and cis gendered. Don't let anyone shame you for who you are or guilt trip you for the sins of other people who look like you. You don't owe anyone shame for who you are and if anyone demands that from you, run the other way.

by Anonymousreply 37005/02/2021

Who gives a fuck about Hillary Swank? It's very normal for actors working on indie projects to joke about not being paid, that's not the point. This is about Janet Mock, focus people.

Enty Lawyer here already said a lot so I'll give my 2 cents. Assuming this lady got 40k for writing only, this is already above the WGA minimums. I assume she was given executive producer credit out of kindness from Ryan Murphy who is a very loyal person to his talents.

I'm linking the MBA contract so you all can have an idea how much a writer makes in reality. This woman was given a golden opportunity as the lawyer pointed out, no one gets deals without clout or a solid record to prove the investment in them.

I wouldn't be surprised if by the next months the deal is never mentioned again and a breach is paid to rid of the future headaches.

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[quote]You know he doesn’t give a damn about any of his actors! Oh and he hires gay people? You mean gay white people in their 20s that he wants to h e sex with? Murphy like all of them is a fake piece of shit.

I have worked on four Murphy projects, Feud, Versace, Hollywood, Rachet. I know many of his people and those people are working with him right now on Impeachment. I have a friend that works on whatever project Ryan is directing or spending most of his attention on. People are defending him because the negative things written about him are not true. He is loyal, he promotes from his own pool of workers which includes women. I will say that he hasn't always been great about minority hiring but he's making an effort now.

I have never seen, nor has my friend any evidence that he is trying to fuck the any young actors he hires. You can go on spitting bile about a man you know nothing about and I will go on defending him because of the knowledge I have learned about him from direct contact with him.

by Anonymousreply 37205/02/2021

r372 I agree with you completely. As someone who knows Murphy, how do you anticipate he will react to Janet Mock's behavior at the POSE premiere?

Is he likely to publicly forgive and privately distance? I'd probably say nothing in public and freeze her out.

by Anonymousreply 37305/02/2021

R372 so the rumors of him and the casting couch aren't true? He doesn't seem the type. The ones about Darren Criss are ridiculous. I just think Murphy gets fixated on certain people and Criss is one of those people.

by Anonymousreply 37405/02/2021

[quote]If Murphy was trying to reinvent himself with Wokeness, what better way than to hire Janet Mock?

Anyone saying Ryan Murphy has gone "woke" is an idiot or has never seen a damn thing the man has made.

Did you watch Glee? Did you watch any of the shows he has put out? He has always been progressive. Yes, I said progressive since you people abuse the word "woke" to mean anything that isn't white and gay since gay is no longer considered "woke" by you. I see the game you're playing.

[quote]so the rumors of him and the casting couch aren't true? He doesn't seem the type.

What rumors? Correction, which "credible" rumors? People have been telling you there's nothing going on for years. Multiple people who have worked with or know the guy. No one has come forward with anything, which any person would have especially when #MeToo was at its height, because nothing is happening or has happened! You don't think some jackass would want to try and take him down a peg by claiming he tried to sleep with them, touched them inappropriately, glared at him a little too long? Someone would have over the past few decades but they haven't because .... there is nothing.

by Anonymousreply 37505/02/2021

I don't think that Murphy has actual sex with the guys he casts. But I do think that he sees himself either as mentor or as Queen Bee holding court. And he does a great deal of good for the LGBT Community within Hollywood. People can attack and criticize the quality of whatever he releases, but he's part of a "first" generation of powerful gays who support the Gay, LGBTQ, Community without any fear of being blackballed for it.

by Anonymousreply 37605/02/2021

[quote] As someone who knows Murphy, how do you anticipate he will react to Janet Mock's behavior at the POSE premiere? Is he likely to publicly forgive and privately distance? I'd probably say nothing in public and freeze her out.

I’m not r372, but Mock has put Murphy in a bad situation with his admissions that he was fucking both cast and crew members. This is an HR nightmare, regardless that it isn’t uncommon; the difference being Mock admitted it publicly and now these incidents can’t just be swept under the rug. That alone has to piss Murphy off.

by Anonymousreply 37705/02/2021

Lol at the Murphy defenders. You can tell this thread is filled with people who are hardcore riding that Murphy dick.

He's loyal to his circle?! Wow that's shocking! Guess who else was loyal to his circle? Fucking Weinstein. Is there anyone defending him that isn't on his paycheck?

And he doesn't fuck his crew? Are you kidding me with that bs? Just cause you're not a blue eyed beauty and he doesn't want to fuck you, doesn't mean it ain't happening.

And of course he's pissed at Mock! Cause he knows damn well that wasn't the only inappropriate relationship going on nor is it one of the ones that will truly cause scandal.

But continue worshipping the guy. Maybe he'll expand that role of yours from extra to guest star?

Desperate star fuckers.

by Anonymousreply 37805/02/2021

Look at the hater at r378. He really put us in our place. /s

by Anonymousreply 37905/02/2021

Ryan Murphy is a racist and a sellout to the gay community for making the show in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 38005/02/2021

Ryan has been on thin ice with the sjws community for years. If Janet Movk can convince the trans mob on twitter that Ryan Murphy lowballed her or didn’t respect the trans contribution to Pose, that will be the beginning of the end for him. They won’t let up.

Ryan’s audience is made up largely of lgbt people and sjws. Theyaren’t the forgiving types and don’t look at things rationally. They can hold a grudge especially against white men.

Remember Ellen’s downfall can be directly connected to her flubbing of the GW Bush situation.once twitter turns on you, the mainstream media will as well.

by Anonymousreply 38105/02/2021

R381 now they are going after him for not casting a woman of size to play Linda Tripp. It never ends!

by Anonymousreply 38205/02/2021

LOL!

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[quote]Ryan has been on thin ice with the sjws community for years.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

by Anonymousreply 38405/02/2021

I think he miscalculated by leaning in too far to what people think is woke. Season 2 of the politician was all about trans, throuples, fluidity erasing the gay of season one. Hollywood was an after school special about tolerance. Pose was literally made to showcase trans, he hired trans actors and writers, and that’s not enough?

by Anonymousreply 38505/02/2021

It's too much.

And [italic]Glee[/italic] is not a good depiction of gays. Kurt Hummel reinforces negative depictions of gay men as being both predatory and unmanly.

by Anonymousreply 38605/02/2021

You bitches are transfixed by Mock.

by Anonymousreply 38705/02/2021

R386, lets stop pretending there weren't other gay male characters on that show, some of whom were stereotypically masculine jocks.

One thing Glee can't be faulted for is a narrow portrayal of the gay male - although DL sure likes to forget this little detail.

by Anonymousreply 38805/02/2021

So you admit they are still stereotypes. It's still lazy and patronizing and therefore a net loss for the gay community, and the fact that this show comes from the same producers only makes it worse. It's saying gay men must conform either to stereotypes of gays or stereotypes of men when both are equally harmful.

Ryan Murphy is a hack, a sellout, and a quisling.

by Anonymousreply 38905/02/2021

R389, your claimed the show depicted only the 'wrong' (according to you) stereotype of gay, so you stand to be corrected.

You can stop cunting now.

by Anonymousreply 39005/02/2021

[quote] Mock then apologized to composer Our Lady J — a producer and writer on “Pose” — and said she’d tried to diminish her to “make myself bigger.”

And this, my dears, is further proof of what a complete joke Pose is. Our Lady J is a fucking composer (what he's composed, I have no idea, but I have heard of him in that capacity before). What Our Lady J is NOT is a writer/producer for television. Did Murphy hire ANYONE in the room with even one day's television experience? The trannies are literally leapfrogging over professionals for highly sought out positions despite having no experience (or talent) and for what? For a mess of a show no one watches. I'm so fucking tired of people being hired to fill a quota. Or to appease the twitter mob who wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire.

by Anonymousreply 39105/02/2021

R390: You're the cunt for defending that Uncle Tom shit. At no time did I use the word "only." You mischaracterized my argument after unintentionally conceding my point. Gays deserve better than one-dimensional stereotypes of Nelly McQueen and Butch McJerkdouche.

by Anonymousreply 39205/02/2021

R391 “Make myself bigger” seems to be Mock’s modus operandi.

by Anonymousreply 39305/02/2021

Big black cock or inverted cock skin pussy?

by Anonymousreply 39405/02/2021

[quote] Now POSE isn’t the beginning of the Trans movement. But it is at the beginning of trans open representation in Hollywood.

Good heavens. It makes it sound like there’s an army of ladyboys at the gates. Trans represent .001 of the population, and I don’t see a desperate hunger out there to tell their mostly predictable stories — I suffered, I surgeried, I became a butterfly cruelled crushed by fickle men, but I survived looking from the gutter up the stars! Rinse repeat.

by Anonymousreply 39505/02/2021

I think that you've got your percentages wrong, R395. Transgender-identified people are often said nowadays to be a full 1% of the population though, curiously, I seem to recall that they used to be described as 1% of 1%. Not sure when they switched the two numbers out.

by Anonymousreply 39605/02/2021

They do this so they don't have to tell gay people's stories without degrading and demeaning stereotypes.

by Anonymousreply 39705/02/2021

[quote]Gays deserve better than one-dimensional stereotypes of Nelly McQueen and Butch McJerkdouche.

The characters weren't one dimensional.

But if you're so offended, stop watching Murphy shows. He plays on stereotypes of any kind.

by Anonymousreply 39805/02/2021

You're right. They were half a dimension at best.

by Anonymousreply 39905/02/2021

These shitty shows take time, money, and resources away from actually worthy shows that actually challenge and break down those stereotypes. Ryan Murphy's shows do the opposite: they say obeyconform or you're a bad gay.

by Anonymousreply 40005/02/2021

No they aren’t r396.

by Anonymousreply 40105/02/2021

See page 23. This is from the leading global transgender health org.

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by Anonymousreply 40205/02/2021

That was fucked up for Janet to embarrass Angel B. L. like that. I hope he thinks enough of himself to move on and find someone who truly wants and loves him.

by Anonymousreply 40305/02/2021

[quote]But it is at the beginning of trans open representation in Hollywood.

Meaning what exactly?

by Anonymousreply 40405/02/2021

Imagine if a straight while male had publicly confessed to sleeping with underlings and cheating on them, and ended with "I will never leave you, I want what's mine."

They'll be tarred and feathered and persona-non-grata'ed on the spot.

by Anonymousreply 40505/02/2021

Glee was a satire. As hard as that is for children to understand, that means qualities are exaggerated and not always meant to be literal. Pose was based in realism and he hired trans writers to write trans characters.

What exactly are the worthy gay shows that showcase us in the best light r400? And they better be pre-Glee when you couldn't even have teen same-sex relationships.

by Anonymousreply 40605/02/2021

[quote]At that revelation, one of the show’s guest stars could be heard gasping and asked, “What the hell is happening?”

Any guesses? Christine Ebersole? Christopher Meloni? Mother Vivian from House of Vance?

by Anonymousreply 40705/02/2021

Maybe it was Jackee who is supposed to guest star this season.

by Anonymousreply 40805/02/2021

Not sure if the trannys can take down Murphy, but there are a fuck load more fatties around.

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by Anonymousreply 40905/02/2021

Flawed r402

by Anonymousreply 41005/02/2021

r373 I don't know Murphy personally, I've been around him at work, I have no idea how he will react but judging how he has responded to tabloid mess about Glee and Naya's death his response will be brief, restrained or maybe nothing at all.

by Anonymousreply 41105/02/2021

R410, the point is that this is what an important transgender organisation believes and claims.

by Anonymousreply 41205/02/2021

[quote]Pose was based in realism and he hired trans writers to write trans characters.

There is precious little about Pose that is "real."

by Anonymousreply 41305/02/2021

r320 uh

[quote]The real victims in the Trans community are children and young trans women who die at an alarming rate

Trans children and young trans women are not dying at an "alarming rate". The "THEY'RE KILLING US!!!" is just another meme to enforce their victimhood, as well as a threat that if they aren't killed by some random person who hates transpeople and wants to kill them, they will commit suicide because they can't magically become the opposite sex and have their gender illusion surgeries done for free. The mild statistical abnormalities among trans women of color (again, definitely not an "epidemic" or "genocide" like trans activists and their enablers claim) is because MANY of them (Mock included, so she says) are prostitutes, and it's a riskier profession.

Children who are experiencing gender dysphoria and who are being encouraged to "accept" themselves as trans will more often than not (there's a statistic and it's something like 93%) work through their gender dysphoria issues and accept themselves as a young Lesbian or young gayling. When you hear "ban conversion therapy" nowadays, it's not just banning conversion therapy for gays and Lesbians, it's banning ANY mental health professional from saying: "but maybe you aren't?" and helping the child work through their gender dysphoria with therapy. Of course it's piggybacked on an actual thing that would be useful for gays and Lesbians, which is why the T are in LGBT in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 41405/02/2021

R320 Maybe Mock shouldn't push young trannys into prostitution, as they are the only trannys being killed.

by Anonymousreply 41505/02/2021

r395 with social contagion there's more faux trans now than ever before. The numbers have risen by something like 350%. The "Confused Lesbian claims to be nonbinary or trans" stereotype is actually happening (e.g. Ellen Page).

by Anonymousreply 41605/02/2021

You’re terrible r395.

by Anonymousreply 41705/02/2021

r406 Glee had more than enough patronizing, self-important speeches during its first few seasons to make me lose all appetite for it. All shows are meant to be entertaining on some level - that's why they are called "Entertainment". Pose is wish-fulfillment and was definitely not based in reality.

If you look at the trans movement, it's mostly people cross-affirming each other for their "stunning" looks and "brave" actions. Of course that's going to attract (or create) narcissists. It's a different type of narcissism though - one fueled by victim mentality (such as the way the right wing operates) and guilt/social shaming used to manipulate people into affirming them, giving them opportunities and money, etc. Then you put them into shows like Pose or Transparent and the craziness multiplies with fame and ends badly.

They aren't thinking strategically because they BELIEVE their own hype and the affirmations from other people like them or who they have guilted or bullied into genuflecting to them that tell them they're at once so marginalized, hated, and always fighting like mad for anything they have, while also being stunning and brave and fearless for doing that and "living their truth".

All people like Mock are doing is saying "Hey Hollywood, you want to make a story with trans people in it, or use trans people to fill diversity quotas, you can bet you will regret it down the line because we will never be happy with anything you give us". Trans stories will still be made, but at some point there will be enough of these disasters that people decide it's not worth the trouble.

by Anonymousreply 41805/02/2021

Janet Mock is probably the most highly compensated TWOC and former sex worker in America.

She could do a lot of things with that, not the least of which is to say at these awards shows, "Look how far I've come, with the help of some good people, and I hope to pass it on to others."

That's the appropriate response for a former prostitute who had a sex change and now makes $40,000/week.

by Anonymousreply 41905/02/2021

Grin and BEAR, not BARE.

Grin and BEAR IT.

by Anonymousreply 42005/02/2021

[quote] "Look how far I've come, with the help of some good people, and I hope to pass it on to others."

[quote]That's the appropriate response for a former prostitute who had a sex change and now makes $40,000/week.

Really, when you put it that way…

by Anonymousreply 42105/02/2021

R419 hah, I think we all know that could never happen.

by Anonymousreply 42205/02/2021

I think her sex work is over mythified. She has a masters from NYU. She wasn't turning tricks out of La Escuelita.

by Anonymousreply 42305/02/2021

The latest Gallup poll (one of the most long-standing research orgs in the world) pus Trans at 0.6% of the population.

And for those math-challenged. 0.6% is LESS THAN 1%!!

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by Anonymousreply 42405/02/2021

Mock is full of shit about so many things. All these fucking trannies all claiming to be prostitutes. No one wants to fuck them for free let alone have to shell out for it.

by Anonymousreply 42505/02/2021

The premiere is five minutes and I forgot how bad the acting is except for Porter.

by Anonymousreply 42605/02/2021

five minutes in*

by Anonymousreply 42705/02/2021

When you consider that trans is now "whatever the fuck I want it to mean" it's almost as useless a term as "queer". And since declaring yourself trans means you literally have always been trans, even without surgery or anything, then it's much easier to do and use it in lieu of an actual personality.

by Anonymousreply 42805/02/2021

Jackée is dead to me and an Aunt Jemima for doing this show.

by Anonymousreply 42905/02/2021

[quote] All of this quisling sellout kapo Ryan Murphy crap is really over the top and without merit.

Fixed.

by Anonymousreply 43005/02/2021

Lord, they're using the OJ run as part of the story. Lazy writing.

by Anonymousreply 43105/02/2021

R423 😂

by Anonymousreply 43205/02/2021

La Escuelita AZUCAR!

by Anonymousreply 43305/02/2021

R433 Pimienta, papi!

by Anonymousreply 43405/02/2021

Damon's been eating this past year. Coming out on the runway in a caftan.

by Anonymousreply 43505/02/2021

Damn, Billy Porter acting the shit out of the material tonight.

by Anonymousreply 43605/02/2021

The only thing more utterly boring than a trans story is... a coming out story. That might be a plus, but it's a very, very low bar.

by Anonymousreply 43705/02/2021

Billy Porter is a modern-day Stepin Fetchit.

by Anonymousreply 43805/02/2021

Just for this, I want an all-white all-gay all-male [italic]227[/italic] reboot.

by Anonymousreply 43905/02/2021

[quote]"I f–ked up, y’all. I forgot who the f–k I was..."

That's impossible since clearly she's making up "who the f-k she is" as she goes along!

by Anonymousreply 44005/02/2021

[quote] growing pains

Leave me out of this, you sinful heathens!

by Anonymousreply 44105/02/2021

[quote]Admittedly, some tried to excuse her, saying she must be suffering from some form of mental illness crisis...

Yeah, he thinks he's a woman!

by Anonymousreply 44205/02/2021

If he's a woman, then I'm Black.

by Anonymousreply 44305/02/2021

[quote]There is nothing wrong with being white and cis gendered.

Yeah, especially since there's no such thing as a "cis gendered" person, it is one of the many fruitcake inventions of the toxic Trans Agenda and their toxic vocabulary requirements!

by Anonymousreply 44405/02/2021

R444, it wasn’t invented by the trans community.

by Anonymousreply 44505/02/2021

yes it was, idiot

by Anonymousreply 44605/02/2021

No, r444? I guess without the Gender Identity/Trans movement we would have heard it anyway? It's pure nonsense!

by Anonymousreply 44705/02/2021

[quote]You bitches are transfixed by Mock.

I think it's the reverse, it was Mock's doctor who transfixed her!

by Anonymousreply 44805/02/2021

Oh, come on! Give a gal a break.

I've heard worse speeches in front of a big tv crowd!

by Anonymousreply 44905/02/2021

[quote]Billy Porter is a modern-day Stepin Fetchit.

Billy Porter is a modern-day Jennifer Lewis.

by Anonymousreply 45005/02/2021

And if he hacked off his legs, he'd be a modern-day Emmanuel Lewis!

by Anonymousreply 45105/02/2021

"But if you're so offended, stop watching Murphy shows."

I can assure you, we already have.

by Anonymousreply 45205/02/2021

That is easy. They are unwatchable.

by Anonymousreply 45305/02/2021

I did twenty minutes of the pilot, and some ugly tranny who looked like a crack addict riddled with Aids was lecturing everyone, about everything, and just did not care to continue.

by Anonymousreply 45405/02/2021

riddled with the AIDS!

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by Anonymousreply 45505/02/2021

R455 Oh shit, that does read poorly. I meant I presumed it was an early indication that character would end up being positive.

by Anonymousreply 45605/02/2021

One of my BEST friends was Vanessa, a trans that worked in a South End Boston laundromat and wasn’t glamorous at all. We’d take trips to NYC every weekend to Twilo. What I loved about her was as fun as she was she was very practical about what to expect and down for anything. She loved being taken care of but could also take care of herself if needed. I think it’s within the very DNA of trans people to push boundaries and that’s OK. You have to be a warrior to wear a dress 24/7 and put up with what they do. It didn’t end well for her but she had a FABULOUSLY bright life.

I miss her terribly.

by Anonymousreply 45705/03/2021

[quote] fuck polemic tv

That sounds almost as bad as having to stick your dick in Queen Elizabeth’s vagina.

by Anonymousreply 45805/03/2021

R457 What happened to her?

by Anonymousreply 45905/03/2021

She followed the advice of Janet Mock, became a hooker and was murdered.

by Anonymousreply 46005/03/2021

Sorry Ms Mock but the first episode of the season you directed was OK, but episode 2 which you didn't, was great TV and Billy Porter was brilliant and earned his Emmy this year.

by Anonymousreply 46105/03/2021

Billy Porter preaching is not Emmy worthy ever.

by Anonymousreply 46205/03/2021

R49, she had a slew of health and money problems and died a few years ago. My only regret was not going out to party with her one last time, but she was already in a mobility scooter which would’ve been difficult.

When we were young gaylings I used to buy her bus ticket to Boston when she came with me before I bought a car. One weekend we had a terrible fight and I left her stranded in NYC with no money. When we made up, she regaled me in the story the next weekend how she went to Port Authority and begged one dollar at a time for the $64 to get back to Boston, and when she finally got what she needed, she was on a roll and made more than enough to buy herself a lunch too! LOL.

by Anonymousreply 46305/03/2021

R463 I’m sure she sucked some cock for the money.

by Anonymousreply 46405/03/2021

R463 Now you’ve got [italic]me[/italic] missing her, you frigid cunt!

by Anonymousreply 46505/03/2021

R463 those are the original tough-as-nails trans, not the whiny, perpetually-offended trans/"nonbinaries" of today. The mistake is conflating the two.

by Anonymousreply 46605/03/2021

R486,

That’s cause there two types of trans.

Actual real trans who are tough as fuck, fun, and rarely complain. They understand how difficult being a woman is.

Then there’s the Incel trans. These are straight male losers who nobody wants. They hate women and think women have fabulously easy lives where they get to play, manipulate and dispose of any men they want. They think all women dress likes whores. They think women are only good for sex so everything they do is sex related. Oh, and the ones that are black that continuously shout about BLM and how black is beautiful, how evil rich cis white men ruin everything ...well....they always end up falling in love with a rich cis straight acting white man!!! Lmao!!!!

by Anonymousreply 46705/03/2021

R467 they're not all straight, unfortunately. The second type is the "confused Lesbian/gayling" trans. The third type is the straight "trans as a sexual fetish" trans. Both of the latter are the easily-offended types.

by Anonymousreply 46805/03/2021

Gays understand how difficult being a woman is.

by Anonymousreply 46905/03/2021

[quote]Oh, and the ones that are black that continuously shout about BLM and how black is beautiful, how evil rich cis white men ruin everything ...well....they always end up falling in love with a rich cis straight acting white man!!!

...or black or Puerto Rican trade who eventually kill them!

by Anonymousreply 47005/03/2021

R470 or cops who make them suck or go to jail.

by Anonymousreply 47105/03/2021

I haven't finished scrolling through this fascinating thread...

But I have seen several references to Mock and Murphy's relative ages (and an implied "generational" as well as racial and gender divide).

Janet Mock is (officially) 38. Hardly a kid.

Murphy is 55. So it's only 17 years separating the two of them.

by Anonymousreply 47205/03/2021

Mock has got this on lock, fixing to raise her stock. How could she not? She m is the trans movements hock: a strutting, brave and stunning peacock!

by Anonymousreply 47305/03/2021

What I find truly despicable is how he treated his boyfriend in front of everyone. Let’s dig deeper into this to demonstrate what a depraved individual JM is.

He asked him to stand up amongst his peers, so that he could humiliate him by publicly stating that he cheated on him, but it did not end there, he went on to further shame his boyfriend by demanding that forgive this trespass and stay in this relationship because he gets mine and does not want to alone. This sounds like familiar territory with the trans agenda. It’s all about me, mine with no regard to other’s feelings because regular people just don’t matter.

by Anonymousreply 47405/03/2021

Then they all think they’re sexually irresistible and have to hook. Everyone is fetishizing and obsessed with their bodies... ok well I barf looking at their bodies. I think the only ones who want them are creepers like they are.

by Anonymousreply 47505/03/2021

Still no clip? I'm starting to believe that was a PR stunt promoting the show's final season.

by Anonymousreply 47605/03/2021

No such thing as bad PR.

by Anonymousreply 47705/03/2021

r469, that's not true. I'd say half do. The other half are self-loathing gay men who fantasize about some of the worlds biggest losers simply because they are straight. They think women are spoiled and don't appreciate how much dick they can easily get. They think being a woman means acting like a diva whore all day long. They're basically gay incels.

by Anonymousreply 47805/03/2021

$40,000 an episode is so much better than the tips on the overnight shift at the Waffle House.

by Anonymousreply 47905/03/2021

So, has there been any further fallout for Lady Mock as of Monday, or is everyone out there on social media OK with this outrageous display of rage, destructiveness, and entitlement? If it were anyone else but a trans WOC, there would have been angry anti-Mock hashtag movement snowballing by now.

by Anonymousreply 48005/03/2021

She wanted to be a woman so now she gets paid like a woman. Some people are never happy.

by Anonymousreply 48105/03/2021

[quote]What exactly are the worthy gay shows that showcase us in the best light [R400]?

Soap (up until the last season)

Any [italic]Roseanne[/italic] episodes with Martin Mull

The [italic]King of the Hill[/italic] episode where Dale learns his father is gay

The John Waters episode of [italic]The Simpsons[/italic]

United States of Tara (up until season 3 which ruined everything for every character, not just the gay ones)

St. Elsewhere

Any number of non-stereotyped one- or two-shot gay characters on [italic]All in the Family, Maude, The Golden Girls, Designing Women, Cheers,[/italic] and [italic]Gimme A Break![/italic]

The character played by James Dreyfus on Bette Midler's short-lived CBS sitcom in the US after he played a gay character on the UK sitcom [italic]Gimme! Gimme! Gimme![/italic]

[quote] Glee was a satire. As hard as that is for children to understand, that means qualities are exaggerated and not always meant to be literal.

No, it wasn't a satire, you condescending ageist prick, it was a one-dimensional cartoon version of high school even by comparison to what came before it. Satire requires some basis in reality for this to work and this had none whatsoever. Murphy is also a classist who punches down; just ask Kings of Leon when they refused to let their music get bastardized by a show that pretends the schlocky noise croaked out by a psychotic untalented hick and beneficiary of white privilege like Britney Spears is music. Stop defending any aspect of it. Realize that it has had a negative real-world impact on the gay community and that gay people have to live with the consequences of such negative media imagery on a daily basis.

I've seen less unbelievable writing on [italic]Welcome Back Kotter[/italic] and we all know that show wasn't exactly free of gays.

by Anonymousreply 48205/03/2021

If you as a gay person let Glee affect you in any way that's just pathetic. It did a lot wrong but it was just a sometimes fun inconsequential show. Move on. Shows dont define communities.

by Anonymousreply 48305/03/2021

It reminds me of the unhinged comments about Showtime's Queer as Folk. "This show doesn't represent ME! It makes ALL GAYS look bad!".

by Anonymousreply 48405/03/2021

R482 Leave Britney Alone!

by Anonymousreply 48505/03/2021

It was not fun and if you overlook the harm that it has done to the gay community, then you are actively complicit in that harm. "It's fun" is not a defense of anything. I do not find autotuned butcherings of songs of wildly varying quality "fun." I do not find gay men being stereotyped as unmanly sexual predators "fun." I do not find its white supremacist subtext "fun."

Black people fought against stereotypes. Jewish people fought against stereotypes. Asians fought against stereotypes (and having to be played by Mickey Rooney). Latinos fought against stereotypes. Arabs fought against stereotypes. Women fought against stereotypes. Why should gays have to put up with demeaning and degrading portrayals of our people? No other minority group would. This "visibility at any cost" bullshit is just that, bullshit, especially when the cost is our gay identity itself.

[quote] It reminds me of the [mental health slurs redacted] comments about Showtime's [anti-gay hate speech redacted] "This show doesn't represent ME! It makes ALL GAYS look bad!".

R484: Those critics were not "*nh*ng*d." They were right then and they are right now, and your mental health slurs are bigoted, hateful, and offensive not just because they are pure projection, but because the mental health industry is a racket with a long, shameful history of demonizing homosexuality. Hate speech is incitement to violence. You proved my point that not only do these shows suck and harm the gay people but their fans are self-loathing trash. If we still have gay men who would rather be a woman than gay, then shows like this have not only done nothing to change that but they have only made it worse. I'd rather there not even be TV or any forms of artistic expression at all if this is the best they can do, and it obviously is not.

by Anonymousreply 48605/03/2021

[quote]Shows dont define communities.

Then bring back [italic]Amos 'n' Andy[/italic] and show it on TV Land, TV One, and all those digital subchannels that represent burial grounds for TV's greatest hits of its first 50 years.

by Anonymousreply 48705/03/2021

Is R486 a parody post? I can't tell.

by Anonymousreply 48805/03/2021

Is R488 a homophobe and a racist? Yes, he is.

by Anonymousreply 48905/03/2021

What DO you find fun, r486 ?

by Anonymousreply 49005/03/2021

Watching racist white gay gentiles like you squirm as you get held accountable for how you have sentenced LGB people of color to death with your words and deeds, especially your feeble, self-loathing, goalpost-moving defense of this media industrial complex hate speech.

by Anonymousreply 49105/03/2021

R491's cat must have just died.

She needs a moment.

by Anonymousreply 49205/03/2021

Oh, I see DL's Matt Antschler gained access to a PC with internet connection again. Looking at unhinged r486.

by Anonymousreply 49305/03/2021

Won't someone PLEASE shit in my mouth? Especially after being barebacked by a total stranger with every STD in the CDC manual?

by Anonymousreply 49405/03/2021

R491 No wonder that mental is blocked.

by Anonymousreply 49505/03/2021

[quote]It was not fun and if you overlook the harm that it has done to the gay community, then you are actively complicit in that harm.

Said harm is only in your head.

The show's gay characters and couples became quite popular and got on the covers of major entertainment publications (sign of changing mainstream attitudes) .

The actors playing these characters repeatedly said they were overwhelmed by letters and tweets or in person by younger gays, bi's etc. with stories how the show inspired them to accept their sexuality and come out to family/friends, and how it changed the attitudes of their family members towards acceptance.

by Anonymousreply 49605/03/2021

[quote]I do not find gay men being stereotyped as unmanly sexual predators "fun."

Huh? I can only remember one storyline about Kurt and Finn who were high school teenagers, and behaved as such. This was in the very first season when the show was still the original dark comedy/satire. Every single 'kid' character behaved despicably or created drama at some point or other.

The hysterics about it are quite amusing.

by Anonymousreply 49705/03/2021

The boyfriend just posted on Instagram "You did good honey." So I guess this bitch can do no wrong.

by Anonymousreply 49805/03/2021

R498 Chiiile… He’s playing the long game, to be sure.

by Anonymousreply 49905/03/2021

R498 Are the ratings out yet? Cause I bet they will be sit, and that is the acid test in real life.

by Anonymousreply 50005/03/2021

Glee was a bad show, but there's a reason why so many conservatives hated the show. A whole generation of kids was exposed to gay characters and a lot of them cared for them.

It's easier to hate what you don't know

by Anonymousreply 50105/03/2021

Watched the premiere. Here’s the thing: the writing, for the better part of the series, has been abysmal. Terrible dialogue and speechifying.

I think MJ Rodriguez has something special but they saddle her with this corny, preachy mother and community speeches that Meryl Streep couldn’t make work.

by Anonymousreply 50205/03/2021

The first episode last night was terrible and it was directed by Mock. She wants more pay but her writing and directing are shit.

The second episode was written and directed by the creator, Steven Canals, and it was much better.

Canals has been noticeably quiet about Mock and her rant. His accomplishments have been overlooked as Mock has gotten overpraised. She has probably benefitted the most from the show aside from Porter and Rodriguez.

by Anonymousreply 50305/03/2021

Canals also can’t write dialogue. His scripts have generally been amateurish. (I do respect his accomplishment in bringing the series to life.)

by Anonymousreply 50405/03/2021

Charles 'Janet' Mock is a sexual predator, and a very dangerous male.

by Anonymousreply 50505/03/2021

Has her team announced her being admitted to somewhere due to "exhaustion"?

by Anonymousreply 50605/03/2021

All my thoughts are with Angel right now. It’s been reported that he posted a compliment to Janet about how she handled herself. Huh! The layers to this is stunning considering she’s technically his boss. Dude could do SOOO much better than this emotional troubled woman. Then again, this may be a situation where Angel doesn’t think enough of himself to do better.

by Anonymousreply 50705/03/2021

All the comments on social media from obvious Mock supporters saying people need to not focus on the personal relationship drama are hilarious. Mock is the one that opened that door herself in a very embarrassing way. It's not hearsay people are gossiping about.

by Anonymousreply 50805/03/2021

Mock is the epitome of...

TRANS PRIVILEGE!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 50905/03/2021

R508 - are people slamming Mock or praising her?

by Anonymousreply 51005/03/2021

Pose is ridiculous. The actual trannies in Paris is Burning didn’t have the money to pass like the girls in this fantasy (delusion).

by Anonymousreply 51105/03/2021

Cancel the bitch/dude!

by Anonymousreply 51205/03/2021

R511 They don't pass.

by Anonymousreply 51305/03/2021

R510 both

by Anonymousreply 51405/03/2021

"Sista Janet Mock Transplains It All for You"!

by Anonymousreply 51505/03/2021

Transplains lol

by Anonymousreply 51605/03/2021

Looks like the current pose is to move on without comment, but with only praise from the fans.

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by Anonymousreply 51705/03/2021

The fucking hypocrisy of these Hollywood types like Sophia Bush and Tracie Ellis Ross who, if this was not a trans-identified man, would be calling for him to be fired for using their position to date and fuck cast and crew members.

Instead they're falling over each other going "Wow!"

Fucking hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 51805/03/2021

If Mock didn't conceivably "pass" she wouldn't be "stunning", or "brave", she'd be hidden from view with no career, but because she fulfills straight peoples' ideas of strict gender conformity according to STRAIGHT PEOPLE she is lauded.

Same goes for the rather Drag Race personality Laverne Cox.

by Anonymousreply 51905/03/2021

Wow, he's looking hard in the face there r517.

by Anonymousreply 52005/03/2021

He looks ridiculous with those padded hips.

by Anonymousreply 52105/04/2021

Ryan Murphy is a quisling for making this show.

by Anonymousreply 52205/04/2021

Define pass, how does JM look compared to a woman. Most of these staged pics play with angles to hide mannish features.

by Anonymousreply 52305/04/2021

None pass, none are hot.

by Anonymousreply 52405/04/2021

Y'all are blind. Mock is so hot and sexy. Look at her legs here -- so woMANly!

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by Anonymousreply 52505/04/2021

How is "transing anything but performative gender appropriation/cosplay to mask a mental condition?

Anyone?

by Anonymousreply 52605/04/2021

R525, did you see the comment "How does it feel to reset the culture daily?" Such sycophancy. Don't some people ever get sick of degrading themselves?

by Anonymousreply 52705/04/2021

It's disgusting that this Mock person is getting all this attention and praise, while she used her position to bed cast and crew members. If she was not a trans-identified person, she would be canceled. Instead people like Sophia Bush and Tracie Ellis Ross are blowing smoke up her ass saying how beautiful she is, overlooking her gross behaviour.

It really is a mockery.

by Anonymousreply 52805/04/2021

R525 Does not pass at all

by Anonymousreply 52905/04/2021

R525 not sure if it's the man hands, thick thighs, shoulders, or suspiciously bulging groin, but she wouldn't pass on inspection.

by Anonymousreply 53005/04/2021

The only thing he passes is gas.

by Anonymousreply 53105/04/2021

R525 Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 53205/04/2021

Tittys and a dick? Long claw like porn nails? I couldn’t think of anything more fucking horrific.

by Anonymousreply 53305/05/2021

[quote]What happened to her?

Found in the fluff and fold machine.

by Anonymousreply 53405/05/2021

When will Janet Mock make her STUNNING and BRAVE appearance on magazine covers with the headline:

"Janet Mock SPEAKS: What happened that nighT and the complexities and trauma of living as a trans woman of color"

by Anonymousreply 53505/05/2021

Pose is unwatchable. The one with curly mop hair was trying to ask for modeling contract. It was like children’s theater.

by Anonymousreply 53605/05/2021

Cisgender is a clinical and biological term, it predates this nonsense and makes perfect sense to distinguish the majority of cisgender people from other pathologies and occurrences. Its a scientific term.

by Anonymousreply 53705/05/2021

r537 no

by Anonymousreply 53805/05/2021

Season 3 is beyond unrealistic so far. Janet Mock getting paid $40k an episode needs to refund the public for this messy schlock.

by Anonymousreply 53905/05/2021

R537, "cisgender" is a term that was created by sociologists. Sociology is not a medical or scientific field.

by Anonymousreply 54005/05/2021

R537 I'm Mental.

by Anonymousreply 54105/05/2021

r537 It is not a clinical and biological term, despite what trans claim. "cisgender" was used by some annoying academics in the 90s in a journal and then the trans adopted it in 2007 to label everyone who was not them, and claimed it was for "fairness", although I have no idea how that works other than it's trans activists exerting dominance over language.

There's people, then there's "trans" people, who are, in fact, still people, but they have mental disorders so they think they're different. You can use "trans" to refer to the collection of mental disorders that usually accompanies the claim, the primary one being gender dysphoria but there's usually several more than that.

"nonbinary" is also not a scientific and biological term, it's used by confused gays and Lesbians (more so Lesbians) as well as straight people, except the primary mental disorder they have is wanting to feel special and be "different" from regular people. Hence, "nonbinary", where you can claim your specialness and change your pronouns and wear lipstick and/or dresses if you're a man or, I dunno, a fake beard if you're a woman (many Lesbians do not need fake beards as they already have them). Some trans lump nonbinaries under the "trans umbrella" so nonbinaries are also trans, but that doesn't make any sense because NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE IT'S ALL RIDICULOUS BULLSHIT.

by Anonymousreply 54205/05/2021

"People not suffering from Gender Dysphoria" would never be a scientific necessity to categorize a population.

by Anonymousreply 54305/05/2021

[quote] Instead people like Sophia Bush and Tracie Ellis Ross are blowing smoke up her ass saying how beautiful she is, overlooking her gross behaviour.

Birds of a feather flock together.

by Anonymousreply 54405/05/2021

I don't want to waste my time explaining science to people here, but cis has been used in biology since at least the 1970s. It wasn't "invented" by feminist pseudo critical theorists in the 1990s, it was, for lack of a better word, appropriated by them as post modernists do with everything. Its a term used extensively for chromosomic variations and to separate them in categories.

by Anonymousreply 54505/06/2021

[quote] "People not suffering from Gender Dysphoria" would never be a scientific necessity to categorize a population.

Have you ever read a scientific paper in your life? Whenever you have a new term, it is a requirement to create its opposite, you can't make a system without it, you can't even map the data you collect without it. I understand people's reservations with the Trans ideology, but let's not be idiots.

The prefix cis is used everywhere in science to oppose trans, both latin terms. You can't study molecular biology or chemistry without learning them. In chemistry you literally call all the compounds from the same carbon chain a CIS-something and TRANS-something if it belongs to its opposite.

by Anonymousreply 54605/06/2021

The n-word is also derived from Latin.

by Anonymousreply 54705/06/2021

The cis/trans shit in relation to "gender" isn't about biology or chemistry r546. In fact, it's about the opposite - delusions. There's no need to impose an "identity" on the majority of humanity just because some people with delusions want to identify as trans. I'm not "cis" because I don't call myself cis. Anyone trying to force me to call myself that can fuck off.

As for opposites, etc. this only shows up one of the many contradictions of the gender ideology. On the one hand gender is a spectrum, on the other hand it's a binary. What are non-binaries? Cis or trans?

by Anonymousreply 54805/06/2021

I personally don't think gender theory is real, though I do concede transexuals exist, although I'm prone to believe they're always dysphoric. All this non binary etc shit comes from that mean butch dyke and her role playing pseudo science. I still think it is harmless considering the big picture, but maybe not, I'm not sure yet. Kids are being harmed by this so maybe I need a new opinion on that.

by Anonymousreply 54905/06/2021

R545 "cis" nowadays is short for "cisgender" which was, in fact, not a scientific term, and was coined in a journal in the 1990s. It wasn't used by trans to label everyone else until 2007. So you can try to die on the hill that somehow "cis" is scientific but that doesn't mean it's being used that way today.

by Anonymousreply 55005/06/2021

Also ^ misappropriating scientific terms that have very specific meaning in a very specific context is a tactic used by trans activists to give their claims a veneer of respectability. As you are attempting to do here by deliberately confusing the terms "cis" and "cisgender".

by Anonymousreply 55105/06/2021

I was watching Pose’s second episode and damn. Neither Lil Papi or Angel can get a break. Lil Papi got a crackhead transgender girlfriend and Angel has Drama Queen Janet.

by Anonymousreply 55205/06/2021

On the other hand, the fact that Lil Papi has what seems to be a professional job when he’s never displayed any hint of an IQ higher than room temperature is quite the accomplishment.

by Anonymousreply 55305/06/2021

This is true r553. Shade well received. lol

by Anonymousreply 55405/06/2021

Cis Boom Bah.

by Anonymousreply 55505/06/2021

[quote]You can't study molecular biology or chemistry without learning them. In chemistry you literally call all the compounds from the same carbon chain a CIS-something and TRANS-something if it belongs to its opposite.

Yes, Mary, if only we WERE studying molecular biology instead of being bullied into the daily vocabulary demands of highly-regressive men in dresses chopping of their genitals while forcing us to applaud them!

Now back to your regular job of harassing your co-workers!

by Anonymousreply 55605/06/2021

[quote] I don't want to waste my time explaining science to people here,

Get a big whiff of YOU, Madame Marie Curie!

by Anonymousreply 55705/06/2021

I just don't understand this show! Why aren't they hanging out in their airplane hangars?

by Anonymousreply 55805/06/2021

Janet should’ve kept the curls the straight hair is severe and brings out her male features.

by Anonymousreply 55905/06/2021

^ Almost as much as his penis does.

by Anonymousreply 56005/06/2021

Lil Papi wearing a suit and working at a big modeling agency is ludicrous. His lack of education shows in every word he speaks and he would never be employed by any respectable agency.

by Anonymousreply 561Last Friday at 3:17 AM

She said she got the chop but there’s a bulge in this pic.

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by Anonymousreply 562Last Friday at 6:55 AM

Yeah she's got something down there

by Anonymousreply 563Last Friday at 6:14 PM

Looking at Janet’s Instagram page and noticed she doesn’t have a single picture with her boyfriend Angel. Angel baby c’mon now. You can do better than that.

by Anonymousreply 564Last Friday at 6:24 PM

That is a very manly looking physique. I don’t see a buldge as much as I notice a mans pelvic structure which is longer than a woman’s and is exaggerated by the cut of the bikini.

by Anonymousreply 565Last Friday at 6:38 PM

Also she has man feet she tries to minimize.

by Anonymousreply 566Last Friday at 7:33 PM

Thread Opened

by Anonymousreply 567Last Saturday at 7:55 PM

[quote] Also ^ misappropriating scientific terms that have very specific meaning in a very specific context is a tactic used by trans activists to give their claims a veneer of respectability. As you are attempting to do here by deliberately confusing the terms "cis" and "cisgender".

Both Communists and Nazis threw the word "science" around to justify their respective war crimes.

by Anonymousreply 568Last Saturday at 9:40 PM

I find it very funny that we have to respect the gender identity of trans people are being individual and without question, yet they INSIST non-trans people be referred to as cisgender.

Sorry, your mental illness does not change my self-identification or sexual orientation. I’m a male, not a cis male. And I’m gay, which means I’m not magically able to alter sexual attraction to keep up with the psychological whims of unstable people.

by Anonymousreply 569Last Sunday at 1:09 AM

R569, yes, it sometimes really seems some trans people want the trans to be the only ones who can be called real men and women while the rest of us should be called cisgendered. It's totally idiotic that such a small group of people have managed to practically hijack the modern gay movement AND the liberal movements to make such demands.

I feel for trans people, I really do, since I get it's hard for them. I don't go as far as to label them all mental cases since not that long ago we were being labeled the same way. However I do believe they want too much too fast and many of their ways of trying to get there are wrong. Trying to trans pre-pubescent kids is just plainly wrong, and even with people under 18 there are just too many things that can go wrong. Especially because we're not dealing with exact science here. It's still basically a huge experiment that leaves behind countless victims with mangled bodies and destroyed psyches.

by Anonymousreply 570Last Sunday at 4:18 AM

How about your start a thread to write your boring screeds on the word cisgender, and let the rest talk about Janet and the subject at hand?

by Anonymousreply 571Last Sunday at 11:18 AM

Don't even get me started on Trans-Fat.

by Anonymousreply 572Last Sunday at 11:25 AM

Janet at R571. She’s so pressed that her axe wound is bleeding.

by Anonymousreply 573Last Sunday at 12:11 PM

I would be so happy if someone, preferably a cisgender female or gay male SNATCH that fine Angel away from Janet. He deserves better than this crazy bitch.

by Anonymousreply 574Last Sunday at 12:18 PM

Terrific episode.

by Anonymousreply 575Last Monday at 5:36 AM
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