Morocco: Death Sentence Upheld for Muslims Who Raped & Decapitated Young Scandinavian Tourists

FUCK OFF, OP. WHY ARE YOU POSTING THIS SHIT HERE. ??? YOU CAN GO DIE IN A DUMPSTER FIRE, YOU DUMB CUNT!

Read no further, DL. Karen R1 doesn’t think a decapitation is newsworthy.

OP is going on permanent ignore.

Morocco doesn't want to jeopardize the millions in foreign aid it receives from Scandinavia.

Okay. I’m not for the death penalty but they’re obviously taking it seriously. So, OP, what were you hoping to gain out of posting this here - another three-page Muslim-bashing trash fest for you to wank over?

R5 Do you question the motives of every poster of every topic that gets posted on DL? I’m sharing the news. If you want to bash Muslims, that’s your choice.

No, you're "sharing" news that ellicit horror and hatred, you're a piece of shit

Ignore

[quote]news that ellicit horror and hatred

As it should in all sane, rational human beings.

There's a smattering of deranged DLers to question motives, OP. Ignore. They no doubt also spend their lives worrying whether they're being followed.

The girls were idiots. Who on earth would risk their lives camping in backwoods Morocco, let alone blond females.

There was a NYT story about this; what a terrible crime. The guys did it to establish some Muslim Brotherhood cred, only to be denounced by the MB for their actions. I don't know if I'd say the girls were idiots, but they were targeted because they were of of course women & had no guides to look out for them. Very sad

Who are the assholes getting mad at the OP? This seems just as newsworthy as police shootings, the Oscar snubs, murderous gay husbands, RuPaul's Drag Race finale, whether Courtney Love is a gay icon or not, and the life and times of Armie Hammer.

If it's not your bag, just move on.

[quote] I don't know if I'd say the girls were idiots, but they were targeted because they were of of course women & had no guides to look out for them. Very sad

I sometimes wonder if Europeans/European-adjacents have an overly rose-colored view of the safety of international travel, especially to non-western places (I'm continually amazed at some of the places they jet off to for beach holidays, for example). I keep thinking of those two Dutch girls who went to Panama to hike by themselves, and met a horrific and still-unsolved end, which was sadly unsurprising under the circumstances. Anyone white/western is a target in some of these places, and the greatest targets of all are young women. Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea for two twentysomething blondes to hike unaccompanied in Morroco?!

There is a always a smattering of travel articles in European press by inane travel 'journalists' (aka grifting freeloaders) trumpeting things like Backpacking In Beautiful Pakistan.

Why exactly do some people object to this story being posted here? Unless I'm mistaken, DL exists partly for the discussion of current affairs such as this story. OP can't be accused of racial bias in his presentation of the facts because he simply linked to a factual news story. Perhaps it's because this all points to an uncomfortable truth?

R12, if you read some of these stories, many of these girls go to such places because they want to prove that we're all the same, no culture is superior or fundamentally different to any other, Islam is a religion of peace, etc.

They should've been executed years ago.

[quote] Why exactly do some people object to this story being posted here?

People are sick of being subjected to stories about violence / torture / cruelty which create nothing but negative emotions that serve no point but to be left feeling miserable/angry. Especially considering that It's a tool of online hatred specifically used by the far right. They infest forums everywhere and you can be sure that every damn story about cruelty or extreme violence happening anywhere in the world will be posted by those people to make everybody invested and hateful. It's damaging.

Create a fucking violence porn subsection and leave people alone. Ban those fuckers

Is OP the same piece of shit who posted the story about a cat being tortured and their owners beaten up ? I'm sure he is

It's online terrorism

[quote]It's online terrorism

LOL!!!

I don't understand DLers who go deranged when someone posts an article that they don't like. But that's DL.

It's easy to MISs A mEdIcAtiON dAy!!!!

Those are not Muslims. Those are extremist crazies who call themselves Muslims.

Is there a difference, R21?

The "assholes" know OP posts homophobic shit on DL and is responsible for other threads like "Clarence Thomas, He had quite a body on him," r11 and r19. They also recognize trollbait when they see it.

Sorry you can't recognize trolls, guys, but some of us can. Stop screaming at us because you're gullible and ill-informed.

RAIR?

Everything is fair game, but no need to play dumb, DL.

There is no difference R22.

Good video, R26.

I’ve been to Morocco and most of the people are fine...they’re just trying to make money to survive and trying to enjoy life.

However, those two women were willfully ignorant at worst, woefully naive at best. I saw it all the time while living in Germany during the height of the refugee crisis...people wanted to be open minded and show the new arrivals kindness and understanding. They were sometimes, though nowhere close to always, repaid with deceit and violence.

Organized religion is the source of all evil.

[quote]I’ve been to Morocco and most of the people are fine...they’re just trying to make money to survive and trying to enjoy life.

Were you openly gay in Morocco?

Yeah, I’d never go to a country like Morocco without a guide or escort. What a horrible way to die. And to send the video to the mothers is unconscionable. If Allah makes you do this, then it’s nothing but evil.

Well, they were idealistic & foolish, but most young people learn hard lessons when traveling from being robbed or some other minor mishap, but unfortunately these two paid with their lives. Any number of us can likely think of things while traveling that could've ended in disaster, but instead just ended with us looking/feeling like assholes.

Aside from the tragedy of these girls, these types of incidents feed into hard right wing anti-muslim bias that some nutcases uses as an excuse to shoot up a mosque.

"The girls were idiots. Who on earth would risk their lives camping in backwoods Morocco, let alone blond females."

Three men raped and decapitated two women and THAT is your takeaway, you useless cunt?

No, I wasn’t openly gay...which was made easier by the fact that the men weren’t attractive. For some reason, while I think Middle Eastern and sub-Saharan African men are often gorgeous, North African men are not my type AT ALL. Moroccan, Algerian, Tunisian, Egyptian...I’ve never personally been attracted to any man from that region.

Then don’t say Moroccan people are fine.

Good. I want the bastards decapitated with a blunt knife.

[quote]these types of incidents feed into hard right wing anti-muslim bias that some nutcases uses as an excuse to shoot up a mosque.

Gay men and their penchant for homo (and Western women)-murdering cultures. On a gay board.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R37, in 2021 straight guys in gay porn are still paid more because the fans are drawn to homophobic behavior like moths to a flame.

Gays have long sided with the wrong groups, unfortunately. I don’t know why. I think severe low self-esteem.

Nuke the whole region and leave it for dead.

R40 Socially-inculcated wrong-think that it's "liberal" and "progressive" to champion homo-murdering, misogynist, oppressive cultures.

I'm not surprised, a couple of my friends, who are women and blonde, visited Morocco in their late teens, they had guys groping them and making them offers for sex all the time. They said they never felt safe and would never visit the place again. Also I'm pretty sure the video of that girl dying is on the internet somewhere.

R43, in high school our Spanish teacher led a 2-week trip to Spain over summer vacation, and most of the people who went were girls. They took a day trip to Morocco one day, and one of my friends said it was so scary. It was the late 90s, so nobody was concerned with terrorism—but they said the men were aggressively hitting on all the girls. Also, the teacher, who was a beautiful and sophisticated woman in her 50s, was apparently groped.

I know this type of news can be used to fuel hate, but that's a risk on any site, because being sheltered isn't the answer either. Let's be honest, it's because it's about muslims (has nothing to do with not wanting to see bad news) and there's a handful of racist trolls, making the more left part of DL raise their hackles over anything about POC that can recieve offensive comments.... but how is it okay to censor any news relating to that? How can anyone or any culture be held accountable if everyone's afraid to be branded a racist bigot?

The more extreme violence in muslim (a RELIGION not a RACE) countries should be as scrutinized as any other religion would be. Damn straight would it be permissible to demonize Christians beheading people, because that's a fucked up thing to do. We have several articles daily about nasty people, mass shooters, killers, etc., without an outcry, except when it's about certain demographics.

In my culture and with my community, we've also suffered due to the habit of not wanting outside criticism, so the problems just don't get resolved. There's substance abuse, poverty, homophobia, and domestic abuse, that all are swept under the table. Reminds me of any generic type of old fashioned family that handles serious issues with a "don't talk about it" attitude.

Instead of being mini facists, how about putting pressure on someone to moderate? Maybe it's time for that? Or maybe roll your eyes and tell trolls to fuck off and leave a thoughtful comment.

[quote]The more extreme violence in muslim (a RELIGION not a RACE)

Islam is most certainly NOT a religion, but the foundation of the culture and lifestyle for 1.7 billion Muslims, for whom Islam circumscribes their lives 24/7/365. There is nothing else but Islam. Islam cannot change, moderate or enlighten because Islam is perfect. The Prophet said so.

R43 I can't imagine being persued with that type of aggression. I know I recently left a comment about India (probably deemed rotten racism) with a similar culture issue when it comes to women... and yeah, especially blond young women, just because.

People need to be more transparent about the risks so we don't have young women thinking it's okay to travel alone. Of course, in attempts to damper racism, no one wants to bring it up and it's reduced to a few bad individuals (told it could happen anywhere), ignoring that yes, the general cultural attitudes towards women and LGB matters -- it matters very much when heading somewhere. It would be like telling POC there's an area with racism/ active KKK, but totally go there (and alone) anyway, because it's not every individual in that town. Common sense should prevail, where we understand it's not every individual, or about their race. I think it's safe to say Russia has a rough culture, with rampant homophobia, while realizing it's not because they're white, it's the culture they are in.

Who visits those kind of countries by themselves if not asking for trouble ?

R12 - the only place I can now go to is Egypt and me and my roommate decided that we would absolutely not go. We just don't want to spend our time and money in a place with that kind of human rights record or have to beard for one another. A global pandemic is enough...fuck places that tolerate abuse of women and gay men, among other horrible injustices.

R23 - why is it troll-bait? It's a discussion on how in some parts of the world there is terrorism against women, among other minorities. How is it different than discussing police brutality or gay bashing back home in the US?

[quote]Instead of being mini facists, how about putting pressure on someone to moderate? Maybe it's time for that?

The fascists are the trolls, not the people telling trolls to fuck off, R45.

Datalounge was meant to be self moderating, but when they discovered that it's easy to game a self moderated board, the company turned off some of the options and just wandered away. We've been begging them to moderate for years. They won't. They never have.

I'm sorry you don't understand that no one will moderate, and that this guy is a troll who has been racist and homophobic on multiple occasions, and that our only recourse is to reveal him as a troll, and that only about six of us do that because no one else around here can be arsed to learn how to put someone on ignore.

You can call pointing out that OP is a troll "fascist" all you want but it just paints you as either a moron or a troll in your own right.

I ignoredared the OP, r52, and found nothing "fascist." There weren't enough context clues to determine trolldom.

WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL!

Troll: Anyone whose post I disagree with.

WHAT ABOUT THE WHARFIES????

Is it safe to travel in South America ?

No, R57. Stay home.

R52 the problem is that it's an accusation thrown around here very loosely, but only depending on the particular topic. No one is bitching about the posters putting up nude threads, or the multiple "Karen acts up" threads, but why not if it's supposedly to call out any trolls trying to post here, regardless of content? And don't argue that I'm wrong, when just the fact that I questioned it is enough to be branded a troll too 🙄

It's whatever, because for no moderation, it sure greyed out fast enough.... like all topics on the secret "no no" list, even though bigotry is found in every other thread, without having to shut down the entire discussion for the adults in the room, concerning bigger news stories (something I enjoy about DL, because I'd miss a lot without seeing them here.)

R28 That is why is it important to post articles like this one. People, especially women, need to know the extreme danger in traveling to certain countries, and I don't just meant Morocco. Mexico is dangerous for women as well (and not really known for their Muslim population so guess what? It's not about that.) R5 and R17 have clearly appointed themselves the information police. You can only post positive things about Muslims on their watch.

I keep putting this thread on ignore because it’s an ugly brutal story and because many of the replies are equally ugly and brutal, using the horrifying deaths of these two young people to justify horrifying behavior elsewhere, but it keeps fucking popping up anyway.

What do I need to do to escape this fucking thread? Get a letter from my senator?

And because it deals with your people, R61. Muslims.

r53, no one called him fascist. Someone said people like me who said OP was trolling were "mini fascists."

I mentioned one of his troll threads on r23, there's another one where he was calling gays "sissies."

R61, ignore thread hasn't worked for over two years now.

According to an article I read, one of the girls' mothers told her daughter not to go because it could be dangerous. It was probably just youthful arrogance that didn't stop them from going rather than some "liberal" attitude. Young people do potentially stupid and dangerous things all the time, regardless of social or political beliefs.

R64 must be you. It works for me.

Been to Morocco few times and found it very touristy and tourist-friendly, especially Marrakesh. Understandable as tourism is a major contributor to their economy. But Morocco is not the safest place. You must not let your guards down and put yourself in a vulnerable situation - just like many places in the world.

Morocco has a safer tourist rating than Canada. Americans don't travel so they find the world exotic and scarey. These girls did nothing wrong. They were targeted

Yeah, you have to be careful in a country like Morocco, (I've been once, many years ago), but Americans clutching their pearls over safety is hilarious. The US has 13 year olds running around with guns, daily/weekly mass shootings, insane cops, and lunatics walking around with AR 15s strapped to their backs as they make a purchase from Starbucks. How fucking rich.

R69 No one is suggesting that American is safe, but this is our home. We have to deal with the inherent dangers of living here. We DON'T have to spend our hard-earned dollars vacationing in a country in which people are beheaded simply because they are women. We have the choice to go elsewhere.

What a stupid comparison R69. Morocco is a different place then it was years ago, just like America was safer years ago. Muslim terrorist attacks take place every month it seems, and traveling to poor countries with a muslim population is a very unwise thing to do.

R12, What too many Nordic people seem to do, along with other Western Europeans, is romanticize the Arab of "One Thousand and One Nights" fantasy; of flying carpets and "Open, Sesame!" treasure caves; of handsome Omar Sharif and the young Muammar Qaddafi; of the palm-fringed oasis in the harsh, barren desert.

Naiveté doesn't begin to cover it.

R21, Sure, Jan.

[Quote]is a different place then it was years ago,

Oh, dear.

R69 and R74 can't understand why people didn't want to vacation to Sarajevo in the early 90s...

R69 - I hate to break it to you but there is truth to what R71 says. We know our country and it's inherent dangers. I am not strolling around and sitting on benches for a rest in many parks in LA at midnight on Tuesday like I would be in this university town in Romania because I know damn well that nerdy college girls giggling too much while working on a school project are about the only thing I need to worry about.

Predictably this thread is grayed out.

[quote] I sometimes wonder if Europeans/European-adjacents have an overly rose-colored view of the safety of international travel, especially to non-western places (I'm continually amazed at some of the places they jet off to for beach holidays, for example).

Since 99.999% of them return home safe, why are you so amazed?

I'm amazed you're amazed.

Try it again, r64. You might see it's changed recently.

Women can be targeted for criminal violence when walking on secluded trails. Same thing goes for rundown parts of cities especially late at night. However, in the case of the heinous murders in Morocco, these women were targeted because of them not being Muslim. As non-Muslim, Western women, they were viewed as non-humans basically deserving of absolutely zero regard and sympathy. They were slaughtered like wild or livestock animals. This case is different in that sociopolitical views that are inherent in Islam and Muslim-majority nations do not make it friendly let alone safe for female non-Muslims to travel alone without safeguards. Yet the prevailing p.c. screed of cultural relativism e.g. the embracement of illiberal cultures as deserving of equal respect, it's contributed to the mindset of women who subscribe to this dangerous ideology. We're talking about Islam, a religion which spawns backwards theocratic societies that stones women to death for being raped, executes gay people like it's a drink of water, and sanctions honor killings of female family members who step outside of confined rules.

So no, it's not comparable to women walking at 2AM after clubbing or barhopping in less than desirable parts of town, or being a victim of an opportunistic crime targeting vulnerable women. As long as a large swathe of Muslims believe that Allah gives them the right to murder, decapitate, rape, and bomb non-believers, it is insane for women to even contemplate visiting Muslim-majority nations as tourists.

This was a horrific but isolated incident. In any country, you are taking a risk if you go off the beaten path, and that includes America. The vast majority of tourists to Muslim countries do fine as long as they respect their customs. But isn’t that the case anywhere? I’d be damned if I went to Russia or Mexico or the wrong part of Chicago.

Thank you r80

How did they not "respect their customs" R81?

My coworker went to Morocco. He said old women on the street screeched at his wife for not having her head covered. He said it’s one country he’d never go back to, and he’s been all over the world. Mind you, he had yokels in downtown Kansas City harassing him for his glasses and calling him gay. He wasn’t in danger of being beheaded, but I’m sure these young guys call themselves Christians. The bottom line is that people tend to use religion to justify being assholes.

They were not beheaded because they were women. They were raped because they were women and they were beheaded because they were infidels. Mohammed was a child rapist and ordered and participated in the beheading of 600 Jewish men, among many atrocities in his life time that muslims seem to be quite proud of. What does that tell you about the religion of peace?

A few more naive/stupid infidels.....

R83 I meant in general, not in this specific case, especially when traveling to Muslim countries.

Did R1 get FF'd to oblivion?

I guess you were wrong, then, sweetie. People did care about this story.

R81 it didn’t matter whether or not these unfortunate women respected Muslim culture, they’d still be butchered because they were non-believers. Their murders were politically motivated, eased by theocratic social dictates which normalized savagely against lessers such as women and infidels. This makes it a terrorist act that has nothing to do with respecting local culture.

^^^meant to type “savagery” not savagely.

I feel terrible for what happened, but my god how stupid could those girls be? Two blond white women in an Arab country just going off the beaten path? Jesus, that's a recipe for disaster.

Sorry to the SJW screechers, but that's just a fact of life in the real world.

[quote]I sometimes wonder if Europeans/European-adjacents have an overly rose-colored view of the safety of international travel, especially to non-western places (I'm continually amazed at some of the places they jet off to for beach holidays, for example).

I wonder about this too. Americans, for all of our criticism for lack of international travel and isolation, ironically seem to have a better understanding of and awareness of the realities of the non-Western world than Europeans. You'd think it would be the opposite, but Europeans seem to be quite clueless.

[quote]There is a always a smattering of travel articles in European press by inane travel 'journalists' (aka grifting freeloaders)

What are you looking at?

[quote]Islam is most certainly NOT a religion, but the foundation of the culture and lifestyle for 1.7 billion Muslims, for whom Islam circumscribes their lives 24/7/365. There is nothing else but Islam. Islam cannot change, moderate or enlighten because Islam is perfect. The Prophet said so.

I see this kind of thing a lot and I wonder, what in people's minds makes any of that "not a religion." What do people think religion is? Just a sideline? A little thing you blather about once a week? What do they think religion has been for thousands of years?

R85

Why can't it be both?

Men in Africa and the Middle East think that all Western women are whores and target them for harassment and abuse. The religious fundamentalist angle means those men were even more determined to rape and murder female "infidels" to teach all women, especially their own, to obey.

I'm in favor of killing them. They're ugly.

[quote]what in people's minds makes any of that "not a religion.

R93 The contemporary Western concept of "religion" is that it is something separate from national/cultural identity, especially in America. The idea that one can be American or Canadian or Swedish or French without professing or being under the control of an established/state belief system, reducing that belief system to an inconsequential "sideline".

That is most certainly not the case in Muslim countries, where Islam controls every aspect of life, where national/cultural identity is so intertwined with Islam as to be inseparable. Not a "sideline", something that people can ignore at will, but their very raison d'etre.

r96 many Westerners don't understand that.

[quote]What do I need to do to escape this fucking thread? Get a letter from my senator?

Stop clicking on it?

I mean, you can't see the replies if you don't open it, so...don't.

If just the sight of the thread title sends you into a meltdown, you're on the wrong site.

Where's the link to the beheading video?

This thread is worthless without a link.

"Inane travel 'journalists' (aka grifting freeloaders)" - that really is William O'Connor bang to rights!

The victims were "not respecting Islam" by their very presence.

That is to say: They were not dressed in Muslim attire. They were not accompanied by a close male relative. They were literally out of bounds.

But most significantly, they were not Muslims.

Has Marrakech bounced back yet?