India is a COVID hell right now

Good thing we westerners aren’t India and have better vaccines.

[quote] US still doesn't ban the flights from India

Because wokeness are more important than our health.

How come India is such a shithole? They actually have some of the largest vaccine manufacturing facilities in the world and they were being primed to produce the Astra-Zeneca vaccine as of last year.

Maybe if their best and brightest weren’t so quick to own liquor stores and deliver food in the USA, Europe, and Canada 😂

The immense human suffering from this virus is devastating. How do you religious folk explain the destructive wrath of your god?

We'll see this headline soon enough at this rate:

Spike protein mutates to form that makes all current vaccines useless, back to lockdown

R4, the usual oldie...

It's god's plan.

India is the Third World. Their best and brightest hightail it to North America ASAP.

[quote] The immense human suffering from this virus is devastating. How do you religious folk explain the destructive wrath of your god?

Would love to hear from our resident “Should I get confirmed to the Catholic Church” god-boy from a couple months ago.

The believers never can explain why a benevolent, omnipotent god allows shit like COVID to happen. Or abuse, torture, murder, genocide, etc.

How nice of you to find humor in the situation, R3.

India doesn't have an efficient government bureaucracy or a national health care capacity for its population. Simple as that. Its the same in South America. India has the vaccine but not the manpower and funds to vaccinate everyone quickly. Also remember that some countries consider parts of their citizenry to be expendable to some extent. Like in the USA under Republican leadership....

They got complacent in January when covid numbers were low and stopped wearing masks and social distancing. Then they had huge political rallies, festivals and cricket. They also have an extremely fragile and underfunded health care system, couple that with a more infectious strain and the pandemic becomes a major humanitarian crisis. They need to stop having so many children.

The numbers of deaths there are still miniscule compared to the US or any other nation due to the sheer size of their population.

And yet the UK has only just put them on the red list and America is still allowing travel to and from India. I think all flights, except for an extremely short list of special allowances, should've been stopped worldwide last year but we are over a year into this pandemic and still people are able to fly about as they like. Once the US, Israel and the UK are fully vaccinated I think people should be able to fly between those countries and once others catchup then open those up for travel as well. I dont give a fuck about this being racist because the longer we keep things open, the more chance a vaccine beating variant has time to mutate and take hold, setting everybody back to the start.

Ontario, Canada has recorded the first case of the India variant this week.

We're all fucked.

There are 132 cases of the Indian variant in Britain, 7 of them turned up in Wales of all places.

India variants spread in a quarantine hotel in Perth, Australia. The city has to lockdown again

That whole country is a shit hole filled with disease.

Percentage wise, the case number per population is still lower than the US.

India's population is 1.3 BILLION.

But no...

A Hindu nationalist Trumpesque party runs the country. Their prime minister, Modi, was actually banned from coming to the US before his election due to his ties to right wing terrorists. India, Brazil, the US last year...all of them run by right wing nuts who can’t govern on a good day, much less during a major crisis.

What the actual fucking fuck?

Are people really just dropping to the floor because of COVID???

"Billy you are going to sit at that table and clean your plate. Including the peas. There are people dying of COVID in India."

R19, at this point, nobody believes the number reported from India gov. The hospital system completely collapses there. There is no way they can get the accurate number. The actual number should be at least 10 times higher

R4 Sin.

Because Amazon and Big Tech want to keep the flow of Indians coming here. Summer is coming and that’s when the parents visit for a couple months, talk about arranged marriage (and having the requisite child) . It’s also when new interns arrive. In my neck of the woods there’ll be a huge uptick in Indian visitors soon which is a bit worrisome.

I got pissed off because an ex got his parents vaccinated here while they’re visiting before I could, and I had a difficult time finding an appointment. They came from Delhi and are still here.

R21, yep, as long as your oxygen level is too low, you will drop to the floor. It happened in Wuhan, Iran and Northern Italy during the first wave

Republicans don't even care if Americans die, so....

But it's the Democrats that are in power right now, they should be stopping all international travel unless it's for extremely important cases.

[quote]I dont give a fuck about this being racist because the longer we keep things open, the more chance a vaccine beating variant has time to mutate and take hold, setting everybody back to the start.

We need to open up fully in the US and let the variants in. It's the only way to kill off huge numbers of unvaccinated Republicans.

[quote]Because wokeness are more important than our health.

Damn all of those wokenesses! Every one of them!

If they are reporting 400,000 new cases a day, we should presume that the actual number is 4,000,000 a day. (Seriously - who do we think is going to be testing the poverty-stricken rural peasants, who make up 80% of India's population). That means that in one month 120,000,000 will be infected (one third the population of the US). I'm guessing that because of co-morbidities, which in India includes rampant infection with parasites because of unclean water, and chronic malnutrition, as many as 1/10th of those infected could die . (That's a death rate 10xs what COVID causes in developed countries, so it might be too pessimistic - but given that the hospital system is collapsing, there won't be life-saving treatments for the very ill). That would mean up to 12 million people dead in one month. A very sobering figure. Really tragic. The dead people in that hospital scene in India are NOT old by US standards. They appear to be in their 40s. If this level of infection continues unchecked, India could lose 100,000,000 people in one year. That would still leave 1 billion people living there- but that is a mind-boggling loss of life. Even in a best-case scenario, (death rate of 1% of infected) I think India will lose a million people this month and as many as 12 million this year.

Those poor people. Their families fighting for their lives.

Truly unimaginable. So shocking.

This'll end up being a "thoughts and prayers" situation from the rest of the world. There's embargos against India right now, and until those are lifted, they are fucked.

[quote]India doesn't have an efficient government bureaucracy or a national health care capacity for its population.

Neither does the U.S.

[quote]India is a COVID hell right now

As opposed to the regular hell it is most of the time?

I feel terrible seeing all the video on Twitter, but what can any of us do about this?

Nothing, R36. Maybe lobbying your government rep to end embargos against India is it.

With the sheer number of people living right on top of each other, with poor sanitation, unclean water, and inadequate nutrition and health care...it's a hotbed for disease transmission. It's surprising this didn't happen sooner there.

It’s not too late to cancel all flights. All.

I was just about to order my big slut sized box of Indian boner pills for the coming fuckathon this summer. Its so cheap! I hope they will still ship!

Heartbreaking, R11.

R24 My personal theology is a mix of mystical Judaism and mystical Christianity, along with Buddhism and Hinduism, though I wouldn’t categorize myself as “religious.” The spiritual evolutionary process is both palpable and remains a mystery to me.

I believe in the Creator but also in karma, reincarnation, and that this plane we live in now is the most temperate level of hell, i.e., we [italic]are[/italic] in hell, though there are darker and more unimaginably torturous levels to it, too.

As for Heaven, my ideas of it shift: one minute I view it as the typical cliche (e.g. we live with our loved ones happily ever after for all eternity), and the next minute I get this feeling that it is a complete submersion into and union with Light, with the “Source of all things,” and that individual egoistic consciousness cannot be a part of that, i.e., our souls are purified of our egos and personalities until we are primed for transition into the Light, which is the point of all of the tests and trials we endure down here.

Understandably, the thought of our egos dissolving is a scary thought to most - me included - who would either rather hope in a heaven that allows us to ascend as the perfect version of ourselves or have nothing come after death at all. However, we have been given free will, so we get to, in a sense, decide when and how we “graduate” from this baser, denser, more painful level of existence, which, despite its rigors, also contains much love and beauty.

Despite the pain and horrors we are surrounded by, one thing that never changes is my faith in the Creator. I am prepared for the derision that such an admission usually elicits, but, well, there you have it.

Canada has now taken a further step and is now banning passengers arriving from India and Pakistan on connecting flights, in addition to the original ban earlier this week for direct flights from India and Pakistan.

BAN ALL FLIGHTS

Tell Biden to do something.

There goes all our IT headcount !!!!

[quote] Ontario, Canada has recorded the first case of the India variant this week. We're all fucked.

Why are we “all fucked”?

R44 What is Biden supposed to do? 600,000 under five-year-old children die of waterborne disease each year in India. It's an open sewer.

India is so modest. They're very strict about things like sinning, adultery and drinking alcohol.

Yet they fucked so much they overpopulated and it's more than the little sub-continent can handle.

Crowdedness leads to bad conditions.

Um, people have a lot of children in poor countries where the infant mortality rate is high and they need children to work on the family farm or otherwise help support the family. This has been true all over the planet for millennia.

Raise living and medical standards in India, and population growth will slow there, just as it has in developed nations. It has nothing to do with whether Indians are modest or like to have sex.

R49, actually the single best way to improve standards in these countries is to improve the state of women in those countries. Look at the worst shitholes humanity has created and they are all the ones where women are nothing but brood whores and/or rape victims.

Trump was right. Developing countries are shitholes. Literally in the case of India.

[quote] Because wokeness are more important than our health.

Joe and Kamala LOVE wokeness.

Well India hates us at the moment.

Because Joe and Kamala have cold-shouldered India

I can't imagine anyone watching the video in the OP and not doing whatever they could to help. Biden should do whatever is necessary to get vaccines to India. What a horrible scene.

R54 I felt bad for the people but the Indian government isn't poor, they have their own space program. So I think they should've got their shit together while the numbers were still low. Britain was really fucked for a while and had no help, in fact Europe was twisting the knife but they took a risk in the vaccines, went back into lockdown and it has paid off. India should go into lockdown, cancel all events and start the vaccine program.

[quote]A Hindu nationalist Trumpesque party runs the country. Their prime minister, Modi, was actually banned from coming to the US before his election due to his ties to right wing terrorists. India, Brazil, the US last year...all of them run by right wing nuts who can’t govern on a good day, much less during a major crisis.

They also have fucked the people by stripping the country of its resources to inflate the Indian economy to "superpower" levels, this has been completely and totally unsustainable. Also it's an environmental catastrophe. Industrial waste is not regulated in most of India, vandals then pump it back into water that 80% of the population have to drink.

China is here for the rescue.

China has invested a lot of money into India, they can't let India slide backwards as it would ruin part of their plan for world dominantation.

At least they are burning their dead, not just burying them to release more diseases into the water.

Because viruses don't respect borders, R46 and simce the US doesn't do a great job of tracking the variants it may have arrived already.

R59 The smell of burning flesh will also cover up the stench of faeces they unload into the street. Covid could be a massive plus for India.

[quote]I was just about to order my big slut sized box of Indian boner pills for the coming fuckathon this summer. Its so cheap! I hope they will still ship!

I have long stopped purchasing any medications from India. I don't trust the quality, and knowing the waste from these products is just being dumped into the environment... Jesus, get the hospitals and waste control systems up to the standards of an industrialized nation and then think about being a superpower with space programs.

As Covid-19 Devastates India, Deaths Go Undercounted

India’s second wave is rapidly sliding into a crisis, and there is mounting evidence that the actual death toll is far higher than reported.

Well, duh.

"we believe the true number of deaths is two to five times what is being reported"

...

Over 13 days in mid-April, Bhopal officials reported 41 deaths related to Covid-19. But a survey by The New York Times of the city’s main Covid-19 cremation and burial grounds, where bodies were being handled under strict protocols, revealed a total of more than 1,000 deaths during the same period.

India and the far Left in the US are blaming America for this.

[quote]one thing that never changes is my faith in the Creator.

Same here!

It started at none and hasn't budged.

Fucking China.

India is Hell outside of pandemics.

That country was completely unsanitary to begin with.

It has 1.4 billion people and growing. It’s weird to think that you could wipe out the billion, and it would still be catastrophically overpopulated.

The far left would blame western countries for anything bad that happens to the countries they perceive as victims, even though most of those countries are woman hating, gay killers.

They need to stop all flights coming here from India asap, I don't know why they haven't even Pakistan has. Big Pharma needs to ship them vaccines as well or hand over the patents. I feel awful for them, and the world needs to unite in helping them for all of our sakes.

Kamala has turned her back on her country.

Guess I wont' be going to the taj mahal anytime soon (if ever!)... the ONLY reason why i would even think to visit that country..

40% of Republicans say they will never get vaccinated, so Biden should make a big deal of shipping the excess vaccines to India.

Watch Deplorables demand these vaccines. Two problems solved at once.

R19, it is a catastrophic situation because those numbers are vastly underestimated and the increase is so steep the curve looks like a vertical line. The doubling rate is about 10-12 days. They'll be over 500 000 reported cases a day in no time if nothing is done.

India's current second round of COVID horror was, to a large extent, created by India itself. The govt is boastful, hubristic, pro junk science, and the people themselves, whether politico or layman, either apathetic, ignorant or actively indifferent to toxic urban behavior, overpopulation, corruption, and the miseries of their fellow citizen. What we're seeing is an overpopulated, corrupt country (yes, with many smart people) succumbing to a particularly horrific inevitability.

Why on earth they insist to cremate the bodies during this crisis. Isn't it easier ( and cleaner ) to just buried them? I know its part of their religion but to burn thousands of bodies without a proper crematorium will leads to some really morbid and unpleasant issues,

Looks like it's already here.

Where I live there's lot of south asian landlords, they normally buy places for their kids to live in while they study and then rent those places out once the kids have moved on, Indian landlords are the fucking worst, so I have zero empathy for the shit throwers.

I think it’s been established that US vaccines will work against all current variants. So younger unvaccinated people will be the ones getting sick.

US needs to send some vaccines to India as a good will measure.

For some reason, I've known some lovely Indian women (smart, kind), but the men are the worst. Despite being ugly and generally repugnant, they act like they're god's gift to humanity. So arrogant...no wonder India is suffering.

They work right now because the virus hasn't mutated to the point that makes the vaccines pointless, all it takes is for someone who has had one dose, a day later they catch the virus and it mutates around the vaccine and spreads like crazy. So India's covid surge plus the vaccine could be a fatal mixture.

Religion and Reason have always been the biggest arch enemies.

I don't know if this has been pointed out but...

...during the 1918 Pandemic, it was estimated that the global death toll was about 50 million...

...India had about 20 million of those.

This has happened before.

India’s government needs to look in the mirror: Misogynistic rape culture, gay-hating, treachery in Kashmir, undermining Sikh farmers, etc...karma is a big ol’ bitch, ain’t it?

Remember that poor girl that was brutally raped and assaulted using a metal pole, it went through into her organs. This is karma for that.

[quote]40% of Republicans say they will never get vaccinated, so Biden should make a big deal of shipping the excess vaccines to India.

It would be even better if he shipped the Republicans to India.

R86 R87 The only bitch is YOU. There's no such thing as KARMA. Karma is a liberal's version of "God is angry", FFS! Grow the fuck up!

Guess what? They could have passed all the pro-gay legislation you want and this still would have happened. 🙄

r31 - Interesting. You may also be interested in an article I happened to come across yesterday in the Hindu Times. Basically, article was arguing that the current Covid spread is not actually being spread in the slums. Author is arguing that Covid spread is occurring among the middle class - in highrises - not the slums. I'll try to find link.

Article in Hindu Times about affluent being hit by Covid - Spread not in slums, but in highrises

[bold]India’s urban affluent hit by new virus wave after dodging first

R89 Aww, did I touch a nerve? India is a laughinstock, a country where 90% of the population shits on the street but it has a space program. A country with people deemed literally untouchable. It’s karma for having an extremist right wing government and a misogynistic culture among other things. So much for being the next superpower, eh?

[quote] 40% of Republicans say they will never get vaccinated,

Bullshit. You pulled that figure out of your ass. It's actual POC who aren't getting vaccinated.

R87 Yeah right, because Covid only infects rapists and predators, not victims of abuse and other innocent people who already have it hard enough.

What is happening is so awful.

Other countries need to take this as a warning. Until you get down to 28 days without an infection, only then can you begin to slowly open up.

Close your borders and place ALL returning citizens in quarantine for 14 days.

Does anybody know how much protection any of the vaccines give from these variants?

R93 whoever posted that figure definitely didn’t pull it out of his ass. The latest Monmouth poll found 43% of Republicans say they won’t get vaccinated. And a Quinnipiac poll found the number was 45%. You can easily use Google to find that info.

R93 posted a link to data. You didn't, R96.

[Quote] It's actual POC who aren't getting vaccinated.

Wrong. While POC were hesitant at first, now their hesitance has diminished significantly. It’s republicans holding up herd immunity now.

R97, R93’s link completely refutes his comment

R97 ffs here you go

We will NEVER reach herd immunity so as long as me and the eldergay got ours, I don't care if if anyone gets theirs. We'll get the update shots too when they come out. If you don't get the vax, then just fucking die, you deserve it.

Thanks, r96. I posted the 40% without a cite because I value brevity. It has been widely reported. However, this is Datalounge so you have to show your math to prove the law of gravity.

[quote] It's actual POC who aren't getting vaccinated.

Lies.

A lot of anti-vaxxers are ultra-liberal granola types, it isn't just conservatives.

India also doesn’t have the medical sophistication to treat people who get infected and then become really sick. Do you think they have enough ventilators and people who know how to use them, and the appropriate medications? Do you think they have monoclonal antibody treatments? No, anyone who gets more than mild symptoms is going to die there. Also, they do not have enough PPE for their healthcare workers who will get infected as well

Yup, R104. A lot of yoga moms who fell for the "natural medicine" schtick are anti-vaxxers. I posted here before about a couple I know who are hard core anti-vax. They're pro BLM, pro climate change, pro reconciliation but are all into natural medicines, chiropractory etc...I had no idea they were anti-vax till just a little while ago because I never connected the hippy, natural medicine types with being anti-vax before.

[quote] But a survey by The New York Times of the city’s main Covid-19 cremation and burial grounds, where bodies were being handled under strict protocols, revealed a total of more than 1,000 deaths during the same period.

Well this certainly isn’t going to help them achieve their carbon reduction targets!

And now the UK are sending over ventilators and oxygen, even though they are still in a precarious position. All to appear woke.

The UK has the virus well under control and is sending ventilators to India.

R108 - the UK has only 20-30 deaths a day and 2k cases daily, falling week by week. It's not in a 'precarious position' at all. Over 50% of the population is vaccinated, all over 45 plus health workers.

PoC resisted at first but ran for the vaccine when they realised that they wouldn't be able to fly to visit relatives in Africa/Asia/Caribbean without proof of a vaccine.

Wow R111 you need to get out into real life and get off whatever website you get info from. 😂😂 that’s an unhealthy amount of ignorance on show.

R109-R111 all seem to be the same person, a racist I put on "ignore".

That overpopulated shithole desperately needs a culling of the herd. A population of 1.4 billion is catastrophic.

It’ll go away like the flu. Trust me.

[quote]Wrong. While POC were hesitant at first, now their hesitance has diminished significantly. It’s republicans holding up herd immunity now.

Bullshit.

"Across these states, nearly a quarter (24%) of White people were fully vaccinated as of April 19, 2021, compared to 19% of Asian people, 14% of Black people, and 12% of Hispanic people."

But why R7? We are told daily by the “woke” that America is the most racist country in the world where no person of color can ever get ahead... why would they want to come here? Did they not get the memo?

[quote]But why [R7]? We are told daily by the “woke” that America is the most racist country in the world where no person of color can ever get ahead.

MSNBC and CNN will never point out to its viewers that the demographic groups with the highest incomes in the US happen to be non-white.

[quote] They'll be over 500 000 reported cases a day in no time if nothing is done.

Jesus, R76.

This is having knock-on effects on global vaccination efforts. India's responding this massive surge by shutting down vaccine exports to the rest of the world. Meanwhile Trump's lawyers put tight restrictions on Pfizer and J&J's vaccine exports. The Biden administration needs to redo the legal terms on vaccine supplies and get vaccines to India & Brazil now.

R4 atheists only care about their self-interests, so human suffering and deaths are just obstacles out of the way of your ego charging full steam ahead

R87 omfg. That is horrific!

R87, remember that man that was knelt on by a police officer for more than nine minutes? It'd be karma for Americans, even those that had nothing to do with the case to die of covid.

R123 karma isn't patriotic

Tell that to R87, R124.

Not to mention even greater air pollution, r78, as if they didn't already have the worst air quality in the world. On the other hand, maybe with all the factories shut due to COVID, the baseline aif pollution has decreased commensurately...

Oh please, the factories closed for like a minute and then they were opened up again, covid be damned. That's why this whole thing is biggest load of bullshit ever, people are told to shut their lives down for over a year but factories and airlines can continue to operate.

[quote]The Biden administration needs to redo the legal terms on vaccine supplies and get vaccines to India & Brazil now.

I think this situation is like an airplane emergency. They tell the parents to put their mask on first because if they go unconscious, there's no one left to help the children. America needs to take care if itself first. As soon as we are in a better situation, we will start taking care of the rest of the world like we always do. We are not in a good enough situation yet to become the caretakers of the world.

Are all the people in this video now dead?

Can I have their stuff?

This just solidifes my desire to stay the FUCK away from India and the rest of South Asia if i can.

KhalsaAird, a Sikh organization which is distributing emergency oxygen to Indian hospitals.

Donate if you wish/can.

R87 There was outrage in India over what happened to that poor girl, the rapists were hanged and rape legislation was tightened up.

[quote]I've known some lovely Indian women (smart, kind)

Then you’ve been lucky.

[quote]But why [R7]? We are told daily by the “woke” that America is the most racist country in the world where no person of color can ever get ahead... why would they want to come here? Did they not get the memo?

It's only African-Americans that can never seem to get ahead. Every other non-white racial and immigrant group seems to do just fine in America.

Personally, I think India is hell any time. I can't understand the attraction to a big, overpopulated, smelly country.

This illness disproportionately affects the poor. It's no surprise that the Indian people are being hit hard. The scenes in the videos are truly shocking and unimaginable. No one deserves to die with this horrid virus. Especially not in the circumstances covered in the videos. The concern for the rest of the world is the virus mutating as it gallops through the Indian population. Poor people, just makes me so, so sad.

This shit is why covid won't go away. It will just mutate into a different strain and we will keep needing boosters every few months. Everybody needs to be vaccinated at the same time in order to get rid of covid for good.

India has never met a flushing toilet.

This variant will spread here soon enough just as Americans think it's almost over. Whenever they say it's getting better, you know it's just an intermission for worse to come.

The Ganges is a flushing toilet.

[quote]This variant will spread here soon enough just as Americans think it's almost over.

Since flights to and from India have been going on all this time, I'm sure any Indian variants are already here.

Kamala is ignoring Sarala.

We need to wear space suits.

Stock up on oxygen!!!!!111!

We should start looking for another planet asap.

This is how Mother Nature thins out the herd.

Covid is not thinning the herd. We need a Black Death X2 to thin the herd.

It's quite scary. The effect on civil society it will have. Civil disturbances, as people try and secure limited resources for their families.

India is extremely overpopulated. Let's be honest and tell it like it is, rather than trying to be politically correct. If this thing took out a few million, it actually wouldn't be such as bad thing.

The whole planet is overpopulated, but rather than let nature take its course and thin out the heard, we are all hiding away and wearing masks. For decades scientists have been trying to workout what to do about overpopulation, they had the perfect opportunity to take advantage of the situation but wasted it. Nature will just have to find another virus, maybe that wasting disease in the red deer will make the jump to humans?

News reports saying infections are raging mostly among young middle-class Indians. But keep pushing that third-world shit.

These viruses are difficult to control because of the size of the population.

r153 Brand new information

'They also have fucked the people by stripping the country of its resources to inflate the Indian economy to "superpower" levels, this has been completely and totally unsustainable. '

Same as they did in Russia and China.

Half the population of India could die off and the country would still be overpopulated. Ponder that.

But... but not enough black people win at the Oscars, so America is still the worstest place to live.

Exactly, R152, and it’s these young middle class professionals who are financially able and socially comfortable with travelling internationally. As a number of people have alluded to upthread - the Indian variant is already out there outside of India.

Here in Australia the whole continent has been mask free and with minimal new cases for a couple of months now, yet the Indian variant has now shown up in a quarantine hotel in Perth, Western Australia and now that city, which luckily is the only aviation international gateway in WA, is in lockdown.

I doubt that it will ever be possible to relax international borders, in Australia at least.

I’m just saying kween at R154.

Would probably be the best thing to happen to that country in a long time, R156.

[quote]News reports saying infections are raging mostly among young middle-class Indians. But keep pushing that third-world shit.

Stop pretending they are not just letting the lower caste rural people die uncounted by the millions. They aren't testing or treating more than half their population. Young middle class Indians are the only ones that count for anything in India. That's the image they want the world to see. Watch India's population drop below 1 billion by the time this is done but we won't know it until 2023 or so.

When population size is out of control, nature will correct it. There is a limit to how many people can successfully live and survive within the borders of India, or any every other country.

What about China?

China a dystopian hellhole that has its population under strict control. Few countries could’ve implemented the same measures they took to address the spread of COVID.

Do you think that Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan are dystopian hellholes, R164?

I do think, however, that Singapore is a dystopian hellhole.

[quote]Do you think that Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan are dystopian hellholes

Since when are those countries grossly overpopulated?

R98 Blacks need to be vaccinated at two/three times the current rates to equalize the death toll between the races.

You made no mention of gross overpopulation, R164/R166 - only control of the population. There’s a difference, but you know that.

China looked like this at the start of the pandemic. There were videos from December 2019 of people collapsing in the streets in Wuhan. The Chinese government had them scrubbed from existence.

India's case rate is still lower than the US when adjusted for population, so all of your overpopulation dying out theories applies to Americans too.

Not surprised to see some racist comments about Indian.

[quote]You made no mention of gross overpopulation, [R164]/[R166] - only control of the population. There’s a difference, but you know that.

Since when are Australia and New Zealand overpopulated?

Nobody said that they are, R172.

You implied that r173 because you got all pissy that we were "attacking "a non-white country.

Anyone who knows, what does this mean in terms of vaccine efficacy?

R174 sorry mate but you’ve lost me, however I’ll leave with you to tell me what I implied in a non-existent post.

This is only going to get worse.

Has Hank "Apu" Azaria apologized for the virus yet?

I guess my week long Tina binge to Goa is cancelled!

This can't be true. Most of them take Hydroxychloroquine as prophylaxis for Malaria

And we all know that Hydroxychloroquine is a miracle drug when it comes to treating and preventing Covid

[quote] India is the Third World. Their best and brightest hightail it to North America ASAP.

I tried to hightail it to North America for a Hollywood career but they didn’t want me because I can’t act and I refuse to kiss on the lips (Priyanka does, but she is a whore!), so I join the yacht girls in Cannes every year to debut a ballgown instead.

[quote]Anyone who knows, what does this mean in terms of vaccine efficacy?

Jury's still out. Scientists are still investigating.

[quote]"Across these states, nearly a quarter (24%) of White people were fully vaccinated as of April 19, 2021, compared to 19% of Asian people, 14% of Black people, and 12% of Hispanic people."

And we now know it's because of poor access for minorities. In fact, in the Bronx, for example, all the appointments were reserved by white people who got online immediately and took up all the slots despite the fact the vaccinations were nowhere near their own homes.

I wish India all the luck it can have.

One of the big problems is that this is being caused by a variant of a variant that seems to escalate very quickly.

They country has run out of oxygen. It's coming here, folks. Get vaccinated!

But the mind control microchips the government is hiding in the vaccine r185!

SO Hispanics have the largest percent of vaccination with 39% of their population getting vaccinated (based on the 43 states that have managed to keep track of Hispanics).

We dont need to concern ourselves about what happens in third world countries like India. They are considered third world for a reason.

The U.K. is sending oxygen concentrators, non-invasive ventilators and manual ventilators via emergency cargo flights. Further support is planned, but it's not going to be enough. The problem India is facing is absolutely catastrophic; much worse than the 'official' figures.

We are only as strong as the weakest link.

The overwhelming of the Indian health service will mean that the virus will mutate more, because infected people will be transported from hospital to hospital transmitting the mutations amongst family members. From those mutations, variants of interest and of concern will develop. Those variants have and will transmit to the first world.

What is happening in India, should concern is all. We saw how quickly the original Wuhan strain spread, howl the UK variant did and how the Brazilian and South African ones are.

It won't be long before we see a Delhi variant, causing scientists concern.

Maybe COVID will kill off all the telephone scammers who keep calling claiming to be the Social Security Administration or Amazon.

@gavreilly Apr 26 Moderna says it will licence the intellectual property behind its Covid-19 vaccine to other parties - and will also waive the IP on its parents being used in other Covid vaccines

哈哈哈，印度和美国要加油啊!你们要向我们中国好好学习。

^ Hahaha, India and the United States have to work hard! You have to learn from our China

Canada and lots of European countries have stopped all flights to and from India

Not America. Everyone from India is welcome

India is the USA in a few decades if we don’t get our shit together. Immense wealth disparity and crumbling infrastructure...

R165 I thought Singapore was supposed to be nice. I was reading about it and feeling envious, and then I read that they don't have enough water, and have to import it. That freaked me out.

My husband is very pro vaccine (and yes we are both vaccinated), but says they need to really get working on cures. Treatments. What about prednisone? There's tons of it and it's cheap as hell. Also, weren't they saying that psychiatric meds work against covid? What's going on with all that?

And I know it doesn't matter at this point, but what ever happened to the blood type thing, about some people being more or less susceptible?

R197 Singapore used GPS to track the citizen as a disease control method. They claimed that your record could only be obtained by the government if you diagnose with Covid. But soon after, it was discovered the government has been using the data for a lot more things.

Dear Lord in Heaven!

R197 who the hell are you that you want news specifically tailored to your own ignorance? Use Google or stay informed during the process, rather than jumping in with backseat directing halfway through.

Maybe if they had a Big Mac now and then, their immune system could handle it better.

R201 I give you a WW sir. Thanks for the laugh.

R197 In Australia you have to sign in most places you go (restaurants, cafes, theatre, cinema, etc) though not for shopping. The sign in is done via one's mobile phone and if you don't have one you sign in with pen & paper.

There hasn't been any reports of Governments misusing the information (to date) but they can monitor movement anyway with most mobile phones (so long as they are on), credit card transactions & cards we use for Public Transport.

They had a system like that here in my European country too, r203, but they phased it out when they found that Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse were crowding real citizens out of all the bars and restaurants 😉

I’m relived Canada has I live near one of the biggest Indian communities in Canada and was terrified everyone would be bringing their families over.

Sorry I meant relieved Canada has stopped allowing flights from India in

Big Brother type policies like in Singapore and Australia must never be allowed in a free country like the U.S.

The U.S. is to big and fractured to enact a zero covid policy like those countries, even the liberal states can't lock themselves away.

Covid is like a cleanse for the overpopulated Third and Developing World. "The World According to Goop"

But G3, covid won’t make a dent in the population. This is nothing.

R197, I was coincidentally taking prednisone for a while two different times last year. The first time, I had to take it a week or two after taking my shingles vaccine. They said one of the side effects of taking Shingrex and prednisone close together is that they interact and really lower your immune system a lot. But I had to, so I stayed in the house until a few weeks after the last pill.

I don’t know if there would be an interaction between prednisone and other meds or vaccines, but if prednisone lowers your immune system generally, this is a bad time for it.

There's something that happens about a week into a Covid infection to some people - cytokine storm or something like that - where you immune system over-reacts to Covid and starts attacking itself. That's the point when taking prednisone saves lives. Unfortunately, I'm not sure you can figure it out yourself - exactly the right time during Covid to start taking prednisone, because it depresses the immune system that could fight off Covid in the early part of the disease.

There's a new treatment that can "wash" covid out of the blood - I forgot the name of it. Kind of like dialysis or something, where they can remove the disease from your blood. (I'm weak on the details because a friend told me about it - I didn't read the study myself)

I think more treatments may be coming - the monoclonal antibodies work, like for our dearly departed orange leader (the dear part is THAT he departed)

If the scientists would just hurry the hell up with that pill form of the vaccine, we would all be in a much better position.

I'm old enough to remember lining up as a child to take a sugar cube vaccine against polio. Yumm! I don't remember any ant-vaxxers then but maybe there were, I was only six.

I had the sugar lump too.

Damn, some of you are old as shit.

I had the sugar lump but vomited shortly afterward so maybe I'm not protected against polio, not that anyone catches it nowadays, at least not in Britain.

R217 it's back in some places! That's what happens when people don't get vaccinated.

R200 Who the hell are you to be so mean? Obviously some people are interested in what I asked. It's all related to the same topic.

Why is Kamala doing NOTHING?!?!?!

R209 Spoken like a true German Nazi. No wonder you people started two world wars.

The Indians on Twitter are really vocal about their America-bashing. Almost like there's a campaign to try to minimize Modi's shitty pandemic handling by framing the US.

It's odd that no one seems to remember India banning export of similar vaccine-producing materials (and vaccines) last year.

They keep bringing up the hydrochloroquinine tablets like everyone in science didn't already know they were worthless at the time.

I wish I cared........but it’s India.

Holy shit the polio sugar lump thing was what? The mid-50s? I had no idea we had posters who were that old on here.

I think it's been established that we have people in their 80s posting here, R224.

Contact the White House at the link provide above and tell them to cancel flights from India.

Kamala is bs’ing about Guatemala and still no comments on India! Unbelievable

They saw what happened in the US when assholes went to political rallies and mass religious events. They did the same damn thing & have the same damn result. Too bad. America showed you how *not* to do it, India. But you did it anyway. Now you gotta wait like we did for the vaccine.

But NYC employers are pushing for a return to the office - who cares about different strains!

R224 - Honey I’ve long campaigned to ban posters who aren’t at least 50 years old. You’re a fucking idiot until about 45. Then it takes a few years to grow into the reality you now know.

The multi-generational, likely unvaccinated tourist families have returned to NYC, blocking the sidewalks and store aisles like the past year never happened.

Today, India; September, USA.

R231 - No possible way it could happen again here in US. We’re almost all vaccinated. (At Least in my major city)

But how effective are the vaccines against some of these new variants, R232? Especially this double variant emerging in India?

R227 Kamala is only Indian when it's convenient. She scores more political points in the US identifying as black anyway.

It is unclear how the present vaccines will work against new strains.

Another sugar cube polio vaxxer!

[quote]No possible way it could happen again here in US.

"Nobody knows anything," declared the late, great William Goldman.

Nobody (including you, 232) knows anything about this novel, metastasizing virus.

I had my sugar lump polio vaccine in the late 60s.

That video of a covid ward is frightening. People without masks crying and hugging their dead relatives.

India doesn't have any social media restrictions. Lots of people do understand English and can read media articles about precautions around covid patients. Governmental health officials, hospital management, doctors, nurses must know that this shouldn't be allowed.

We've been with this virus for over a year now. How can people still be so ignorant?

R239 if you’re wondering about how people can still be so ignorant, you could look closer to home.

R234 Kamala is two-faced Indian.

These Kamala-haters need to go back to Fox where they got brainwashed. It's like when anyone mentions Nancy Pelosi's name, a Pavlovian trigger to bark.

As you can see from the earlier post with the Twitter thread from the Hindu English magazine, Indians (or at least their paid trolls) love bashing America for the perceived insult of not prioritizing their broken country over our own. It seems more like an attempt by Modi to distract from his bungled handling of Covid by blaming America. Iran tried the same thing.

R242 Is Modi responsible for this disaster?

Who do we blame?

R243 are you kidding?

[quote]They saw what happened in the US when assholes went to political rallies and mass religious events.

Meanwhile look at the current situation (as of April 20th):

"The CDC also reported that Michigan had by far the highest rate of cases with 485 cases per 100,000 residents over the past 7 days." "New Jersey was second with 285 cases per 100,000 residents, followed by Pennsylvania at 273 cases per 100,000 residents and Delaware with 265 cases per 100,000 residents."

All blue states.

Of course Modi is to blame! He let it get that bad, authorized giant religious festivals and political rallies. They've just started restrictive measures a couple weeks ago, if even that.

Yes Modi and government officials are absolutely responsible for this disaster. They knew about the risks. This religious festival where over a million people attended should have never been allowed to happen.

[quote]you could look closer to home.

R240, you aren't allowed to visit a covid ward, esp not without protection.

R232 The Indian variant has two mutations, that could possibly make it more contagious, and vaccines or previous infections might not protect against it. It's not confirmed, but there's a suspicion.

R247 I was referring to peoples’ ignorance in general, not about Covid ward visits. Should have made that clearer.

The new vaccines should offer some protection against it because they are focused on the spike protein, not the rest of the virus. The spike protein is a big part of what makes it so contagious and horrible.

R247. Modi is to blame! Just like our former prez is to blame!

INDIA IS HELL, all the time, everywhere.

India has way too many people, so this shouldn't been seen as all bad.

This look very DELISH !

Religious Indians chose to ignore science and gather for their religious rituals.

And now they're dead.

Religious Americans continue to ignore science.

These are people, who are dying in the most horrible way. Regardless of race, creed or colour, it's truly shocking to see it happening on such scale and in such horrifying circumstances. I've nothing but sympathy for them all.

Twitter proves there is nothing woke about them by deleting comments regarding the real death toll on behalf of the Indian government.

Please, r221, as if that bitch were German (or Gay, for that matter).

Oh, and F&F you too, racist cunt.

That is because there is like a billion and a third billion people. It would be like if 1 person had it in America.

It seems Twitter is complying with the (draconian) Indian laws by hiding or deleting those tweets, r258. I read somewhere that the posts can still be read outside India, but are blocked within the country (?)

I didn't even realize that was technologically possible.

I think that would have been the US as well if Biden hadn't won the election R77. We can lol at them and see what might have been.

R256 nice Whataboutism, Vishnu.

I love Indian food but even Indians have told me their country is kind of a shithole

[quote]We are only as strong as the weakest link.

If only Americans felt this way about economic equality as well.

Part of being an intelligent American means we have the ability ro realize one can recognize faults in other countries whilst also having faults in our own backyard.

It's cute how the defensive Indian posters seem to think that somehow insulates them from criticism.

If you had any self awareness at all you'd admit there are issues rather than pretending they don't exist. This thread isn't about America, it's about India, so trying to insult us by constantly deflecting to support your bizarre pride is telling.

Experts fear India has more than half a billion Covid cases.

India, home to the world's worst ongoing coronavirus outbreak, has reported more than 17.6 million cases since the pandemic began last year.

But the real number, experts fear, could be up to 30 times higher -- meaning more than half a billion cases.

India is no better than China when it comes to government lies and cover-ups. It's about 5% better when it comes to human rights and the treatment of its citizens. Do we just like them better because they speak English?

[quote]India is no better than China when it comes to government lies and cover-ups.

Yep:

[quote]Religious Americans continue to ignore science.

Kinda like the lefties who think men dressed in women's clothes are actually women.

Science is being ignored at all levels R270.

Science is being ignored by the morons on the far right and the far left, R271. There's still a whole lot of middle between those two made up of people who live in reality.

Our older kid goes to an international school, many of the students are Indian. Their families are wonderful, smart, polite, really great people. They all have family back in India and so I really feel for them.

R273 did you ask them about this?

I had hoped that my post of last Saturday (r31), was being too pessimistic. It seems, that it might have been too optimistic, at least in terms of estimates of COVID infections in India, since I estimated 120,000,000 infections, and that CNN article estimated up to 500,000,000 infections. With the very best of care, COVID appears to kill .5 of the infected. That would mean the potential of 2.5 million deaths under the best of all circumstances. India doesn't have the best of all possible circumstances. If, as happened in the early pandemic in places like Italy, the death rate rises to 7% or higher, now we could be talking about 40,000,000 deaths. Unimaginable. That's the population of the entire state of California.

[quote] US still doesn't ban the flights from India

For what? How do you think New York got hit so hard? The Asshole banned some flights from China and instead of directly into NY they flew all over the world and then into NY. The same thing will happen again unless ALL flights are cancelled.

R276, you don't just cancel the flights from a country. You ban entry for anyone from that country, whether they skipped all over the globe first or not. It is ridiculous that travel has not been regulated to a much harsher degree when it would be so easy to do. Shows you the power the airline industry holds over our government.

As we have all learned, stopping flights always happens too late. The Indian variant will show up everywhere just as the British variant, also more infectious and deadly than the original, showed up everywhere within weeks.

So, while we may feel superior by claiming "India is a shithole country" and blah blah blah, as it affects the world the exact same way, with tons going to the hospital and straining medical resources, the virus will show if doesn't care what you think.

The rich are fleeing to where they can.

[quote]India is no better than China when it comes to government lies and cover-ups.

Having just lived through the huge lies the Trump administration pushed about covid, not sure anyone in the US can talk about gov lies and cover-ups.

I hope the pfizer vaccine protects but not sure.

R280, that's the most idiotic statement on here. Because Trump was a fucking piece of shit, we can't criticize other pieces of shit? You make no sense.

of course the rich are fleeing. like they do everywhere in the world when there is a deadly crisis and social collapse.

[quote] Covaxin, India's home-grown COVID-19 vaccine, has been found to neutralise the 617 variant of the deadly virus, White House chief medical adviser and America's top pandemic expert Dr Anthony Fauci said in Washington.

[quote] Fauci was speaking to reporters during a conference call on Tuesday.

[quote]"This is something where we're still gaining data on a daily basis. But the most recent data, was looking at convalescent Sera of COVID-19 cases and people who received the vaccine used in India, the Covaxin. It was found to neutralise the 617 variants," he said.

[quote]"So, despite the real difficulty that we're seeing in India, vaccination could be a very, very important antidote against this," Fauci said.

Shouldn't situations like this lead to a huge brain drain in India. I mean, I don't blame the educated for getting out of a shithole lead by a fascist dictator asap.

Aparently this is what's happening in Turkey now. The elite and the intellectual all hate Erdogan and leave when possible.

r282 the India sympathizers on this thread (and Twitter) are ridiculous. They're either paid trolls who have been tasked with defending India worldwide - which wouldn't be surprising, given how Modi seems to be trying to squelch Indians talking about it and insists that they're handling it just fine, there's no oxygen shortage, etc. (the fact that a Modi government spokesperson is splitting hairs on whether or not there's an oxygen shortage - when large regions can't get enough and is claiming it's just a logistics issue - is pretty telling). Or they are Indians who live in America who are incredibly embarrassed and defensive about the fact that huge parts of their overpopulated country are still shitholes.

I think it's a combination of the two, as you can see how nasty some of them are being in Twitter threads where they are trying to guilt and shame the US into providing more support, in English threads. The US is providing support already, and has provided billions in aid so India could help fix their shitty healthcare system, and is currently providing supplies, etc.. Then you have the Twitter ignorati seeing these pleas and feeling guilty and echoing what the paid trolls are saying.

China and Russia and Iran, of course, have picked up this tactic and as usual are echoing and magnifying it, saying that the US isn't helping India. Which also helps deflect blame from their own lack of support.

r285 they do leave, if they can afford it. We have Indians clamoring for H1B Visas so they can stay in the US. The ones who stay in India and are doing remote work are doing well, for India, but they can do a lot better in the US.

Maybe the English should've stayed in charge of India.

I wonder if any of the former colonies regret self-rule.

No.

We had to get oxygen transported from another district yesterday. There is a serious dearth of oxygen plants here. Many districts are completely dependent on the charity of others. More than half of our patients had to be transported to other district because their condition was worsening and they would have died had we kept them. It's a blood bath...and yes the numbers you are hearing from the government are maybe 1/10th of actual numbers. There isn't enough PPE either. The workforce has shrunk considerably because of the number of doctors who have caught the infection and can't work temporarily. It's 100 times more terrible than what is being portrayed. People are having to buy drugs for their ailing relatives from black market at 200 times the original price because of dwindling stock.

I am sorry for you and all of India to be going through this R291.

Proving the old Republican adage, 'it's not a crisis or injustice until it happens to me', India is a Covid hell for middle class and wealthier BJP voters. Poorer Indians with no media voice were suffering a long time ago. I'm sure the rich will get theirs and pull the ladder up for others.

There is no people on earth who would not prefer their own bad government to the good government of an alien power.

Bad government

R295, fucking religion is going to kill us all. Asshole believers in fairy tales and bullshit setting global policy and putting us all at risk, repeatedly. I really would have no issue if every fucking religious person dropped dead tomorrow. It may be the only thing that will save the world.

Right now, we should send as much aid as possible to India and then close the fucking doors before one of the thousand fucking variants they are currently creating escapes.

Apparently 36% of those tested for COVID in New Delhi this week were positive. 36%!

That means that

a) they definitely do have something like 500 million COVID cases nationwide, and

b) they may be the only country in the world that will reach genuine herd immunity by 2022

R295 Doesn't Modi actually dislike the Kashmir region and would be happy if they all perished? It doesn't surprise me that he'd do that.

Condolences, r291. I wish you well, and hope you make it through this.

Much as I loathe all the lockdowns we've had (I'm in Europe), what r291 describes is exactly what they were meant to prevent (and largely did, after the first wave struck Italy unprepared).

FWIW, I'm one of those who has never believed what the Chinese said about their COVID rates -- like India, their true incidence of morbidity and fatality were certainly 10x higher than they let on.

[quote]Having just lived through the huge lies the Trump administration pushed about covid, not sure anyone in the US can talk about gov lies and cover-ups.

The difference is that Trump, try as he might, couldn't squelch dissenting voices. The leaders in India, China and Iran absolutely do.

I'm sorry R291. Hope you're staying safe. Where do you live? Are there trustworthy charities we can donate to?

While it's sad for the family members that lose loved ones. In the overall big picture, India is extremely overpopulated, so losing a few million wouldn't actually be such a bad thing.

Horrific:

[quote]so losing a few million wouldn't actually be such a bad thing.

It’s not a nice statement to make, but millions does nothing in a place where there are billions.

Can we agree that there are too many people in India but it is horrible that these people are dying. If I ran the world I would cure Covid and then, after that, pay people in India to use birth control.

Actually India's current birth rate of 2.22 children born per woman is barely above replacement. It continues to fall. They'll be at population peak sooner rather than later.

R306, it doesn't really matter if that peak is a billion people too high. Maybe a century in the future that will have some impact but not now.

The Indians I know don’t give a shit about the poor (caste) or what’s happening over there—except when it comes to their parents. They’re making the big bucks in the US and having lives only their parents and most Americans could dream of.

They say they don’t care R308?

Those variants better stay the fuck over there! Do experts know it the current vaccines work against the variants in India?

They’re quite proud of their country. yet don’t want to live there anymore once they tasted America and how much easier it is to live here (less bureaucracy, cleaner, safer.) When asked about what’s going on it’s a shrug and a head bob like ‘not my problem.’ It’s like the poor aren’t part of India and are so beneath them. They don’t acknowledge them in conversation. They would never say ‘I don’t give a shit’ because that would be wrong and impolite, and not the Hindu way. It’s hard to explain. You have to see the body language and silence and listen to their carefully chosen words.

Modi gets mixed reviews.

R311 is r308.

This is what happens when a virulent virus strain hits high population density areas without any preventative measures enforced by the government. It will burn through the population like a fire through a forest.

If we had the previous leader and administration this is where we would be headed.

Police in India are prosecuting a man who used Twitter to try to find oxygen for his dying grandfather.

Officers in Uttar Pradesh state charged Shashank Yadav with spreading a rumour over oxygen shortages "with intent to cause... fear or alarm".

Mr Yadav, who did not refer to Covid in his brief tweet, could face jail.

With the pieces of shit in the government I'm not surprised, R315.

How can it be that people say India is still a democracy? It's a full on dictatorship.

R291 Stay safe. Thank you for all you do. Praying for your beautiful country and the people of India.

R291 my heart is breaking for you . If you see this,please tell us what we can do to help .

r319 that's sweet but totally pointless. What would you do?

[quote] What would you do?

You can be a Virtue-Signaller.

You can add slogans to your Twitter Feed and Instagram.

#prayforindia

# Je Suis Chandra!

I hope McDonald and Burger King could help by sending some hamburgers to them. Disease is terrible, but a sweet taste of juicy beef could make things better. Protein could also make you strong!

印度加油，我们中国支持你，你们一定可以战胜新冠肺炎!

Ben and Jerry's are Virtue Signallers.

They could send shiploads of their Ice Cream to the Sub-Continent.

Can Hindus eat ice cream? It's made from part of their god.

Mohammudans can eat ice cream. Lots of protein.

[Quote] Can Hindus eat ice cream? It's made from part of their god.

Cows became holy in Hinduism because the people depend on cows for so much—milk for nutrition, cow dung for fertilizer, cows themselves for farming

[quote] cow dung for fertilizer,

That's such an unpleasant reason to deify something. It's as bizarre as that New Guinean tribe who chose to deify Prince Phillip.

R329, well, their god just croaked

I'd really, REALLY like to know what the Hindu religious leaders and community think of the fact that their massive holy festival turned out to be the biggest superspreader event since WW1.

Is there repentance and rethinking? Stubborn denial and defiance? Insistence that the spiritual can rise above earthly concerns such as an overhwhelmed healthcare system and loved ones dying slow deaths?

This is population control for 1.4 billion people.

R332, no it isn't. COVID will barely make a dent.

Half the Indian population could die off and they would still have almost half a billion people. Half a billion! It's hard to comprehend.

Population control is one of the most important issues of the 21st Century. We will not survive on this planet unless something is done about it.

Unfortunately, religion continues to fuck everything up.

Is half a billion dead people an environmental hazard? Wouldn't that stink up the entire world? Or how could India find enough wood to burn all that?

R335, the fire from one burning body will burn the next burning body once it gets going. Like a giant human corpse bonfire where the wood is the corpses.

Now they’re coming over here to have babies like good little soldiers. Can’t disappoint their parents—ever.

I really have to laugh at R213. What a supreme jackass

That asshole Ranbir Kapoor a few years ago if I'm remembering right was basically claiming that big time Hollywood producers were "begging" him to star in of their movies r279 and that he turned them down.

Some of those Bollywood celebrities SRK's wife and their son are fleeing to America like New York City for example.

The U.S. government told its citizens to leave India as soon as possible because of the country’s escalating COVID-19 crisis. In a Level 4 travel advisory — the highest issued by the Department of State — U.S. citizens were told “not to travel to India or to leave as soon as it is safe to do so.”

The advisory then pointed out the 14 direct daily flights between India and the U.S. and other services that connect through Europe, which will allow U.S. citizens can bring the Indian coronavirus variant(s) back to America with them.

So don't blame the native streetshitters for bringing the covid variants into the USA, blame Kaddysen who just had to go backpacking through Chennai now.

The population may get larger as a result of covid! There needs to beba global cap on reproduction.

*be a

^^Thank you for the announcement and good luck with that

There needs to be kween!

The whole country should just be nuked, solves two problem in one shot.

[quote] U.S. citizens can bring the Indian coronavirus variant(s) back to America with them

I understand that all US bound passengers require negative PCR test result at most 3 days? And is advised to have another one a few days after arriving.

People are being pretty harsh on this thread. These are human beings.

Humans that didn’t ask for this virus, R348.

R291 here Thank you for the well wishes. We are all keeping our fingers crossed and doing the best with whatever is available.

R346 You are a piece of shit.

R274 , I don’t understand mocking poor people and what your link has to do with anything. Not everyone is lucky enough to be born in a country where jobs like that aren’t a reality. These are actual human beings that were dealt a different hand than you, don’t act like such a gross person.

"People are being pretty harsh on this thread. These are human beings."

Human beings that weren't protected from the virus by their government and religious leaders, and human beings that largely lack access to medical care during the current crisis.

So I DO hope you don't mind if some of us carry on bashing the Indian government.

Anyone know a good organization to send a contribution to?

R353 Glad you asked. The Trump Organization is accepting checks on behalf of the Indian government.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Can some of the bodies be composted? I just read about that today in the NYT.

R352 I didn't see a lot of government bashing. I did see a lot of unhinged freaks wishing for mass extinction, though.

There is something pathological about how some DLers see the world through a Trump-colored lens. I feel bad for these people.

Cremation is an important part of Hinduism. Hindus believe in reincarnation, and the soul is believed attached to its body, so cremation severs the tie of the soul to the current body so that it can be reborn. With the current explosion of deaths, there are not enough logs around to cremate all the dead in large cities. That's why they are talking about cutting down trees in parks, etc.

Religion has always been the biggest obstacle for reason, progress, liberalism, equality.

^agreed

Mao was the worst of them all.

Since when have Stalin, Mao or Hitler been in favor of equality, reason, liberalism and progress? Nonreligious cults are just as bad as religious ones.

Mao was woke.

Does anyone know if NY or the entire country has stopped allowing people to from India to come here? I sure hope so. When the US was the worst in the world for Covid many countries didn't allow us to come into their country and rightfully so.

Do they have steel mills? I saw a picture of Wuhan where everything was totally shut down except a steel mill that had been closed for years suddenly reopened. Probably as a crematorium. Those poor people. I can't even imagine and I've spent over a year imagining worst case scenario. Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan and MAGAts will bring this here

[quote]Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan and MAGAts will bring this here

Meanwhile back in reality: the 10 states with the highest case numbers are all Blue. (NYTimes Updated April 29, 2021)

The number of deaths is still a very tiny fraction of the population.

Do you honestly believe a country with over a billion people piled on top of each in unsanitary conditions with bad healthcare has only has 200,000 deaths like Worldodometer is reporting?

A friend of mine in lives in an apartment in Bangalore. The government is going door to door testing everyone. My friend and her husband both tested positive yesterday when they came by.

They said that starting on May 1st they are going to drop the age limit and people under 45 can all get vaccinated.

It's going to be a lot higher than that real soon, R368, no matter what the government does, because FYI people don't die quickly from COVID. Infection is rampant in the population and the healthcare system is hopelessly inadequate to the crisis, and the government that fucked up and allowed this to happen isn't about to release accurate death numbers... if anyone counts the deaths of the poor at all.

Now of course if the government wanted to be useful they'd be locking everything in the country down and putting all the country's resources into the healthcare system, but it sounds like the dirtbags in charge would rather just let the poor die.

[quote]Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan and MAGAts will bring this here

They'll bering this here??

(R367 totally ignoring the fact that Biden still hasn't banned flights from India}

R369 No, but the figures on WorldMeters are the 'offical' numbers.

Many countries are known to under reporting: India, Iran, Russia, China, USA, UK, Brazil, Hungary and pretty much anywhere else where the virus is rampart.

Others like Mexico formally acknowledge that the figures are only the ones they are aware of and that the real figures are much high.

US and Brazil still have more deaths

But in the US they’re not dropping in streets (that I’m aware of.)

R374 And the EU has even more deaths than the US and Brazil.

The situation in India is so out of control....you really think records are being kept?

There’s not a chance the US has more deaths than Brazil or India. On paper yes because we keep track of everything. It’s impossible to keep track of deaths in places like Brazil and India with such densely populated slums, and the government would hide the numbers anyway.

I know it’s the current trend to act like the US is some third world hell hole and is the worst country for everything but come on.

We don't need to concern ourselves about what is going on in India. It is a shit hole, third world country, who cares!

These figures don't seem hellishly worse than Iran, Italy, USA and Brazil at their peaks.

I think an issue is that they don't have beds so we are seeing all the dying. In Italy the old just died in their apartments, nobody brought them to hospital.

And in India they burn the bodies with is a spectacular display of death right in the overpopulated cities. Whereas in other countries they were shoved discretely into trucks and shipped out of town to mass graves.

R372, they're literally sitting on their fat vaccinated and masked asses and telling people not to get vaccinated and to call the cops on anyone who puts their kids in a mask. So really, go fuck yourself. None of us would

All the reporting out of India, including directly from doctors, says that the “numbers” coming out need to be tripled or quadrupled to be considered accurate. No way only 3k people are dying a day.

R380 As of Wednesday, 10 countries have banned flights from India. The US isn't one of them. Why?

I'd worry more about that.

"the 10 states with the highest case numbers are all Blue."

highest REPORTED cases

Now that's reality r367.

And we don’t hide our numbers

^ I can't read that because it's behind a paywall.

Does it tell me who I need to blame?

The best way to work out a more accurate estimate of COVID deaths seems to be to look at the country/area's average deaths in non-COVID years and compare it to when the country had COVID. Russia's excess mortality that they haven't attributed to COVID in particular is very high (quelle surprise).

R381 Some reports say 10 times worse than what is actually reported. Thousands are dying at home daily.

During the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920 it is estimated that 17 to 20 million Indians died. People dying on the streets, etc. The exact same thing is playing out. It is estimated that after this wave up to 40 million people in India may be dead.

R388 Here - I forgot to add that experts believe the peak won't be reached for another 2 to 3 weeks! I can't even get my mind around it.

R386 The Guardian has no paywall. Actually read the popup.

R383 No other state has under reported Covid deaths as much as Cuomo's New York. The excess mortality rate tells the story: "The largest relative increase in all-cause mortality was experienced by New York (38.1 percent). " April 2, 2021 Journal of the American Medical Association.

People are dying, not just of Covid, but of all causes because the healthcare system is saturated. In the last 10 days, 12 000 people died in New Delhi (all causes). Pre-Covid, that's how many people would have died in a month. And that's just one city.

For people here who don't give a fuck if people are dying horribly as long as it's not them, this will have consequences for all of us. First because the Indian variant is spreading right now (and that other variants might emerge because of the high rate of transmission), but also because India is the first provider of generic drugs and this crisis might impact their pharmaceutical exports.

[quote]Does anyone know if NY or the entire country has stopped allowing people to from India to come here?

Indians who want to fly here just have to be in possession of a negative PCR test, which they can readily obtain on the black market.

Reuters: France detects its first cases of the Indian Covid variant, in three French residents who traveled to India.

[quote]Indians who want to fly here just have to be in possession of a negative PCR test, which they can readily obtain on the black market.

Which is why Canada is not only requiring a negative PCR test just prior to flying into the country, but to take another test and stay in hotel quarantine for 3 days - unless that second test comes back positive.

Here, just a world map by population, which is dominated by India.

Although do look over to the left, at the US and Canada...

Second highest world population. Way too many people.

Kaitlin Collins:

A White House official tells CNN that on the advice of the CDC, the Biden administration will restrict travel from India starting May 4.

India reports 401,911 new coronavirus cases today, by far the biggest one-day increase on record, and 3,521 new deaths.

New deaths in hospitals most likely. God knows how many are burning up in parking lots.

[quote]God knows how many are burning up in parking lots.

Welcome to the Kwik-E-Mart!

I’m so sari to hear this.

"The virus will go away after the election."....

I never realized how much India was like China in that it was concerned about its image to the point where it would lie and obfuscate such important and serious numbers, government-wide. Authoritarian leaders definitely have a playbook.

So the US is now banning flights from India starting Tuesday

Or what R398 said.

☺️☺️

There was an article today that mentioned a woman who died after her oxygen was taken away to be given to a VIP instead. Her son begged for them not to take it, but he didn't have the money to compete with the VIP. That's how things work in a place like that.

It's depressing that just over the border in Everest Base Camp. the rich whores have thousands of bottles of 02 stockpiled ready for their attempts on the mountain.

'I know it’s the current trend to act like the US is some third world hell hole and is the worst country for everything but come on.'

They tried to say the same about the UK but the NHS and the private hospitals catalogued every single death, at home or in a ward. That's why our figures were the worst in the world last January, but at least we weren't underestimating. Now thanks to a mammoth vaccine programme and three months of hard lockdown, we're averaging only 20-30 deaths a day.

R407 That is how it happens all over the world. A shocking story.

[quote] to the point where it would lie and obfuscate such important and serious numbers

Getta load of R404 and her 800 verbal SAT score.

We're not all druggies, whores and high-school-dropouts, R411.

We are very lucky that we had a lot of democrats willing to bash trump. Otherwise, with trump and the repugs completely in charge, we would have been just like India

Most of his businesses ended up like India is now, on fire

And some Republicans who were willing to say the emperor had no clothes, too! All hail every one who spoke truth to corruption and power, even if it didn't help their political careers.

The reason why the virus has been so rampant in the UK and the US is because there's a ton of international travel and the politicians didn't shut that down. I can guarantee you that the Indian variants are already in the US and they're in the UK now.

R145, they are already here, in CA an TN!

Once a disgusting shit hole...

Report from Indian scientists about the Indian Variant:

The new Indian variant had two significant mutations to the portion of the virus that attaches to human cells, and it had been traced in 15% to 20% of samples from Maharashtra, India's worst-affected state.

The draft statement said that the mutations, called E484Q and L452R, were of “high concern.” It said “there is data of E484Q mutant viruses escaping highly neutralising antibodies in cultures, and there is data that L452R mutation was responsible for both increased transmissibility and immune escape."

In other words, essentially, this meant that mutated versions of the virus could more easily enter a human cell and counter a person’s immune response to it.

I feel the dread I felt last February all over again

We still allow flight, this is the dumbest fucking thing. It's like the government wants more lockdowns and businesses to fail.

For those who said shithole country, please know that this term is popularized by the Donald.

Almost 19,000 new sick people EVERY DAY in Thulasendrapuram!

R421 yes, we know, and it's still an apt term.

The situation must not be so bad. They are still celebrating.

[quote]It's depressing that just over the border in Everest Base Camp. the rich whores have thousands of bottles of 02 stockpiled ready for their attempts on the mountain.

Speaking of: At least one climber on Mount Everest has tested positive for Covid-19, just weeks after the world's tallest peak reopened to climbers following a year of closure.

Reports say a sherpa in his party had also tested positive for the virus.

There's a big difference between oxygen for the relative handful who scale Everest each year and the OVER A BILLION PEOPLE IN INDIA.

Also as the Indian representative prissily noted, it's not that India doesn't have the oxygen, it's that they don't have the ability to GET IT TO where it's needed. Outside of the main cities the country has piss-poor infrastructure.

Travel restrictions would be good, but it's a bit late. There's no way all cases are identified and the variant is probably present in more countries then reported.

The spike in India might have been caused by the higher transmissibility of their variant, but also because of super spreader events. It might go differently in other countries, I hope the "local strains" will compete with it so it won't spread as much. But yes, I feel the same, R419.

Yet they can spend billions on nuclear weapons.

^ and Rockets

So is my Pfizer vaccination going to help against this or am I just as fucked as I was weeks ago?

There is literally no point in the vaccine, the virus will mutate around it. Lockdowns were pointless as well.

R430 there's been some evidence that the MRNA vaccines like Pfizer work against the newer variants as well.

R431 I think you have mistaken this site for Facebook.

R424 HI FAT TROLL - Your video and the event pictured is EARLY APRIL, not yesterday. And everyone now knows it was a mistake to let those events happen.

KEEP ON TROLLING WITH YOUR DISHONEST PRESENT TENSE.

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Indian COVID-19 variant with double mutation detected in Michigan yesterday.

R433 Modi knew at the time it was a mistake as the numbers were already rising. This massive spike didn't just happen last week. He gambled and lost.

God, this is a perfect storm - the CDC telling vaccinated people they don't have to wear masks, states reopening and more contagious variant already in three states. Anyone still trying to buy tickets Hamilton tickets?

R436 MARY!

R435 that's my point. So why is R424 LYING about the parties continuing now! The event was over two weeks ago.

R438 Kumbh Mela is a festival that is many events over several weeks. It didn't end until yesterday, I think.

Yeah normally it's held over three months, I guess? It was reduced to one month because of the pandemic.

It shouldn't have been even one day.

"Speaking of: At least one climber on Mount Everest has tested positive for Covid-19, just weeks after the world's tallest peak reopened to climbers following a year of closure."

That reminds me, has anyone started our annual clucking over the Everest climbing season thread?

If there's COVID in the filthy base camp, this year should provide a clusterfuck to remember!

Before we get too far into the "they're way over there" mindset, it's a good thing to recognize that almost 1 out of 5 people on the planet is Indian, and 1 out of 5 is Chinese. (2/5ths of the world's population in TWO COUNTRIES). That's sort of mind-boggling. China is getting close to zero population growth, and then will have rapid population decline - and India is expected to get to zero population growth in about 25 years based on current trends. (COVID might accelerate those trends).

That is shocking, R407!

[quote]A White House official tells CNN that on the advice of the CDC, the Biden administration will restrict travel from India starting May 4.

I wonder if the GOP will refer to it as a racist ban on travel from predominantly Hindu countries, as turnabout is fair play.

There was a fire in a Covid ward and 18 Covid patients died from the fire

R442, there's an Everest 2021 thread already with over 200 posts. Search 'Everest 2021'.

R446 I bet they were still marked down as covid deaths, have to maintain that narrative.

Nearby Nepal has cancelled all domestic flights including helicopters, stranding hundreds of rich climbers at Everest Base Camp. If they want to leave after Tuesday, they'll either have to wait for domestic flights to resume, or trek out.

I’m sure the Everest climbers are always up for a new challenge.

These are the people who shit in the street.

The far Left is already blaming Biden.

I would never fly Air India because of the stories I’ve heard about passengers taking their fingers and smearing them on the walls.

r452 a lot of that is paid propaganda trolls from India. They are trying to shame the West into giving them free medicines and money. There's too many of them, all posting in English the most eyerollingly guilt-inducing arguments they can post, for it to be natural.

Like, since when did your country become our responsibility? You're the ones who fucked it up. And the massive Covid outbreak was caused by Modi, who STILL has not had a nationwide lockdown because he doesn't want to hurt the economy. Perhaps he should do something first, then call us.

The media exaggerated the severity. It is not that bad.

They are still celebrating.

R454 Modi is probably listening to those saying the new case numbers will peak on its own, so he's only going to do the minimal response like imposing a short "lockdown" and supplying more oxygen instead of dealing with the virus spread seriously.

The media exaggerated it R455?

R456 interesting how Modi only seems to listen to those who tell him what he wants to hear. And also interesting that you are providing an excuse for Modi ("he's listening to his advisors!").

You just need to look at how he is reacting to this - by banning people posting about how bad things are in India on pain of personal punishment, and unleashing his Twitter trolls to try to make it - somehow - America's fault for not fixing the problem for them.

[quote] May Allah save them from this difficult time.

If Allah was real India wouldn't be going through all this.

I don't think Hinduism recognize Allah.

R455, just like they did -- and will do again -- in the US.

I don't think they deserve any help, they know about covid, they have relatives dying in the street and yet they still go to festivals to throw shit at each other. You couldn't make it up. I think movie goers owe a lot of screenwriters apologies for mocking them due to finding characters choices in disaster movies questionable, who knew real life would be even fucking worse!

[quote] go to festivals to throw shit at each other

Mary !

R458 No different than Trump listening to his sycophant "doctors" or "experts" telling him it was just a flu and it would be over on its own soon. These leaders don't seem to get it will never be over if they just let the virus run. Once one outbreak is over, the virus will just be moving on to another place and start another outbreak.

I guess Karma is scaleable.

Huge unweildy countries full of ignorant and/or religious peasants are just hopeless. See Russia, China, Brazil, and yes, good ole looney toons USA.

Meant to include India, of course - others may apply (Mexico? Indonesia? Philippines? Kazakhstan? Iran?...)

Minute 9 of this video: Nevada 7 cases of the Indian variant were found in Nevada, in different counties, apparently among people who had not traveled - suggesting community spread. You in danger, gurls!

The youtube doctor suggests that the US allowed flights from India for far too long. (still going to the 5th of May or something?) Hello India Virus, come on in!

It’s actually not surprising about Indian variant cases in Washoe County and Churchill County NV. It makes perfect sense.

Silicon Valley and SF are full of Indian IT workers with lots of money. Bay Area residents often travel to Reno for a quickie weekend vacation. Washoe County is Reno and Carson City, the state capital, and that’s about it. Churchill County is next door and there’s nothing much there.

Some Churchill County resident probably went to Reno, came in contact with Indians who are resident IT workers in the Bay Area, and they passed it to him. They’ve probably recently been to India. But this is not going to show up as Indian tourists, because they’re residents here or maybe even naturalized with family in India.

SoCal residents on a quick weekend holiday go to Vegas, NoRCal residents go to Reno. It’s $45 one way from SF to Reno on Amtrak.

The US ban on people from India does not apply to US citizens. Sure. Why not? They're magically protected or something, right? Just fly in and out and in and out of India all you want. No problem.

R462 which festival is that?

The U.S. should not take this lightly. All those of Indian decent should be put in a quarantine facility immediately.

Are any of the current vaccines effective, even to some degree, to the Indian variant?

Apparently, a Doctor from NJ (probably 70 yr old) got covid in India and died. He was vaccinated with Pfizer and probably thought he was fully protected. Not sure if this is unique to the variant or a breakthrough case of which CDC said there were a few.

Don't the airlines require proof of vaccination to fly now?

R474 link?

R475 - no, but they should.

Australia has suspended the arrival of all its citizens from India until May the 15th when the decision will be reviewed. Of course, there is mounting pressure on the government to reverse it. But it's hard to imagine any amount of complaining from Indians will make them change their minds when the parochial tough approach has so far managed to keep its country-bound citizens safe.

Maybe a Trump is secretly in charge of the Indian government?

R479 Trump set a bad example in mismanaging the pandemic, and many democratic/populist leaders around the world followed his lead in letting the virus run wild for too long. All these variants are the consequences of the continuing virus outbreaks around the world over the past year. Even vaccination may not hold up against a virus that is given all the opportunities to change and adapt.

Remember when Trump banned travel from China and was labelled a racist, interesting how things have turned out...

Yes, R481 we can help make America great and healthy by excluding the disease-carriers.

R474 is referring to Dr Rajendra Kapila from NJ. His wife is also a doctor and went with him to India. The article quoted her as saying he got both doses of the Pfizer vaccine in the US.

R481 people didn't label Trump a racist for banning flights from China. They did it because he kept calling it the Chinese Virus or Kung-Flu. Plus, he's a racist.

R483 they don't say WHEN he got the second dose. If he got it and then flew shortly after he wouldn't have been protected yet. It can take 2-6 weeks for the immune system to produce enough antibodies to fight off a new infection.

I thought you were fully vaccinated after 2 weeks after the second shot.

[quote]people didn't label Trump a racist for banning flights from China.

You are wrong about that. The NYTimes even ran an op-ed about how the ban was racist. The Guardian did too.

Ban on muslims had nothing to do with COVID or disease. Banning a citizens of country based on a raging epidemic of a deadly disease is not primarily a racist gesture.

'But it's hard to imagine any amount of complaining from Indians will make them change their minds when the parochial tough approach has so far managed to keep its country-bound citizens safe.'

They were letting in Aussie citizens from the UK in January when the UK had 1800 deaths a day. Perchance racism is afoot. They made the Uk arrivals quarantine in government run hotels for two weeks but they let them in.

R485 They were both doctors and he was an infectious diseases expert, so they must know how the vaccine works. They could even have tested themselves for antibodies if they wanted to before leaving for India. The bigger issue is he was 81 and probably shouldn't have taken the risk of going even after vaccination, when new cases were already increasing in India.

I saw something in passing today saying initial tests indicate that the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines appear to offer decent protection against the new Indian variants. Hoping this is true.

R490 you are right probably because a doctor in South Carolina died after being fully vaccinated. He was also above 80. Guess age is a factor as immunity produced by vaccines does not confer 100% protection.

R492, my 74 year old mother in law has had both doses of her Astra Z vaccine but she was also enrolled in a programme to check how many antibodies people had six weeks after the final dose, and she was told she had none! Not a nice thing to hear when you're 74.

R487 link? If one of their op ed writers had an issue with the ban then I'm sure it was due to what they assumed his intent was at the time. He's used flight bans before to block predominately Muslim countries from entering the US.

R486 it's two weeks to six weeks. It depends on the person how fast their antibodies build up. You can get an antibody test and see where you are if you don't want to wait the full six weeks to do whatever.

R490 I'm sure he knew but that doesn't mean they followed the guidance. Doctors especially who have expertise in narrow fields can be breathtakingly dumb outside of that (see: Ben Carson). I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's definitely still a possibility since the details weren't provided in the news article.

I do understand that the vaccine doesn't offer total protection but it's supposed to keep covid at least from progressing to the fatal stage.

Really r493? None? Wow, that’s bad.

When I got the Pfizer shot I was told that two shots conferred "94% immunity", and that nobody knows how long the immunity lasts.

I didn't hesitate to take the shot, of course, as I'm a front-line healthcare worker and get exposed at work, and even with the PPE I want ever ounce of protection I can get! But nobody ever said the vaccine confers 100% immunity or permanent immunity, so I would expect that if vaccinated people are in high-risk environments and don't have ideal PPE, a few of them will get sick. This is not a reason to refuse to get vaccinated, because that would be stupid, but it IS a reason to keep up the masking, social distancing, and hand hygiene right now. The India variant viruses have spread all over the world and they're nasty little fuckers, so everyone needs to be sensible and protect themselves and others until things calm down a bit.

[quote]They were letting in Aussie citizens from the UK in January when the UK had 1800 deaths a day. Perchance racism is afoot. They made the Uk arrivals in government run hotels for two weeks but they let them in.

India has a current official infection rate 6 times higher than the UK at its peak in January, with predictions that it may be actually 10 to 12 times higher. The hotel quarantine system is unable to deal with numbers like this, and with Australia now entering its flu season and the mutation of strains running rampant I can understand the caution.

Nepal's numbers are also spiking.

These new strains are highly infectious. Several quarantine workers and nurses got infected. The virus apparently can jump between hotel rooms via aircondition ducts. This virus is no joke and everybody better not let their guard down right now. Mask up, wash your hands and keep distance.

Lazy Kamala is here in Rhode Island today instead of dealing with India or the border

R500, be sure to continue to hide under your bed sweetie.

The virus shows up at the G7 conference.

r501 the border is under control now, no thanks to Trump, and she isn't India's ambassador, she's the US Vice President.

[quote] Lazy Kamala

No! Kween Kamala!

Her job is not to make herself a target. Whatever she does, for the opposition, she'll be damned. Probably least damned if she does nothing - or very little.

Nice try r506.

She's doing plenty, it's got to be sad to you that there's nothing of substance she can be bashed for though :-(

What? I love her to death. I want her unscathed for 2024!

R504 oh since it’s “under control”, I’m sure Kamala will head down there now to try and take credit

R493 I had the Hep B vaccine and was tested for antibodies - none. (I am a physician and needed this lab work). I was re-vaccinated but failed to develop antibodies.

For a small number of us, some vaccines don't work.

I read somewhere the reason India was so complacent was because a significant part of their urban populations was already testing positive for antibodies against COVID-19. This seems to indicate the population was already exposed to a weaker variant of COVID-19 which did not cause huge outbreaks with many people showing severe symptoms and dying. However, that obviously did not seem to slow down the spread of the current Indian variant.

You know, given India’s circumstances, I kinda feel like whoever approved India to attend the G7 conference in London kinda asked for exposure 🤷🏻‍♂️

r509 don't you have a Meghan Markle thread to frequent so you can rail against another woman for no reason?

What amazes me is they have money to arm themselves with nuclear weapons, yet they cannot build a half-decent hospital infrastructure.

R508 Kamala needs to be crowned before 2024.

We can't wait that long!

Yass Queen !!

Let's get real here and tell it like it is. India is overcrowded hellhole with over a billion people. If a few million died, it would be sad for their families, but actually a good thing overall. Thin out the herd!

R514 And don't forget India has decided to fund a space program despite half their population not having access to toilets...

I waited 5 years before getting an Iphone.

But India has more iPhones than toilets.

A bucket works in a pinch.

Person is dying of Covid in India every 30 seconds

R521 - that's not even going to put a dent in their population.

Why didn't Biden stop flights from India earlier? And how about those on connecting flights. Does he want more pandemic?

r523 I don't know, why don't you ask him or the leaders of the other countries who ALSO didn't stop flights from India until this week?

These countries that find new variants don't even disclose the information until much later, so the variants already have plenty of times to get out with travelers. These travel bans are only for appearance done when the outbreaks in those countries got too big to ignore for the rest of the world. The only right thing to do is to test and quarantine all travelers irrespective of their point of origin.

Right now it's only been reported in California and Tennessee right?

Michigan as well.

Seven cases in Washoe County & Churchill County, Nevada (Reno area)

Oh this will be fun….

Over 4000 deaths in one day.

Monkeys are making the best of it.

R531 shows the happiness that will fill the earth as soon as humans go extinct.

Love it at R531.

I follow this youtube guy (Dr Campbell) who follows Covid news and data - and he says that the India variant does not have the "eek" mutation which is more like to cause immune escape and occurs in the South African variant - meaning, if you get that form, the vaccine is more likely to protect you than people feared - and more likely to protect you than the South African variant.

He talks about it at about the four and a half minute mark at the link.

Tragic.

India had the biggest super spreader event in history a few weeks ago. 3 million folks gathered together in a filthy river in the middle of a pandemic, what could go wrong?

^ Go Nude. Catch Disease. Die.

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I know discussions of natalism would be insensitive at this time, but this really brings those issues to mind.

A World Health Organization official said Monday it is reclassifying the highly contagious triple-mutant Covid variant spreading in India as a “variant of concern,” indicating that it’s become a global health threat.

The WHO says that the variant, known as B.1.617, has been found in preliminary studies to spread more easily than the original virus and there is some evidence it may able to evade vaccines.

Whatevs. I WILL see Phantom of the Opera in September.

M'kay. But The WHO haven't been of much use during this pandemic.

I now distrust the WHO.

Maybe you should try a group that's a little less fanatical in its devotion.

Families who don't have any money for firewood are now dumping their dead relatives into the Ganges and the bodies show up in the hundreds downstream the river.

The Ganges is a Sewer!

India is way too overpopulated and their hygiejne is extremely low. I am mostly worried a new mutation from India will spread to the world that our current vaccine won't be able to protect us from. The Indian borders be shut completely until India has the virus under control.

r517 Agree and also good for the global environment. India needs to implement a population control policy.

Denmark has registered the 84 new cases of the India variant this week - all infected got it from an Indian restaurant.

Just saw footage of half burned and rotted corpses washing up on the shores of the Ganges River. Their families threw them in the river because either there was no room for the cremation ceremony or they couldn't afford the firewood the news said.

Jesus.

I want to eat Indian food, but I am scared the owner have Covid

R540, the story you linked also says this:

The group issued a clarification Monday to their earlier remarks, saying that current data shows the existing Covid-19 vaccines “remain effective at preventing disease and death in people infected with this variant.”

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R553....FFS Sickening.

Now Indians are being warned not to cover themselves in cowshit to ward off COVID..

And those with diabetes are adviced of certain symptoms which my indicate a "black fungus" infection.

Are the rich people in India even helping?

Supposedly, new cases in Japan are rising at an alarming rate.

I'd cancel that summer picnic for another year.

r555 I don't think so. The mentality of helping the poor and needy belongs to the western world. In the 3rd world the rich can't be arsed also in India they have their caste system. So you only stick to your own caste.

I worked with someone from a wealthy family in India. She was able to get educated with a PhD in the UK, and has worked around the world. She acknowledges the picture of India with kids begging in the streets and the unhygienic conditions is not what she knows. She showed pictures of where her parents live, and it’s a big, beautiful home with gorgeous landscaping - it could be a home in any of our affluent western suburbs. She definitely has an attitude - if that’s the right word - against the poor in India. It’s as if she doesn’t want you to associate her with that. Which I guess is really no different than coastal people in the US and “flyovers”.

r558 I worked with some well-off people from Africa who were the same. When I asked why they didn't work to better the system for their poor fellow countrymen they replied, "Why should they?". As a northern European this reply was shocking to me and also a huge wake-up call as to why the 3rd world countries continue to be shitholes.

"When I asked why they didn't work to better the system for their poor fellow countrymen they replied, "Why should they?"."

To be fair, R558 and R559, if you ask the average middle-class or upper-class American the same question, there's even odds that you'll get an answer like that, followed by a rant about how the poors lack "personal responsibility" and all their problems are their own fault.

R559= racist!

As if rich white people in rich countries ever give a damn about the poor!

Oh but when a rich brown person acts the same way, your racist side pops out!

r560 Yes, I know. I have met very highly educated people in the USA who vote for the Democratic party with that kind of mentality - and it is shocking to me! Coming from a very good welfare country in northern Europe that kind of mindset was foreign to me. I have met many African MD's and nurses who wouldn't see poor patients because they couldn't afford to pay for the consultation. It is sickening and makes me appreciate my home country and my upbringing. I also no longer enjoy traveling to Africa. I know a few nice African people but overall I can't stand their mentality. The same goes for the USA.

R561 = #Idiot

R562 The same Northern Europe that advocated "herd immunity" and let the virus spread....

R563 Germany which everyone was praising 6 months ago is rapidly catching up to Sweden for number of deaths per capita.

The story of Covid is not over yet.

r563 we don't have the same level of inequality as you have in the USA, UK, Spain, Greece, India, Africa, Brazil, Asia and South America. Our health care system can handle the COVID virus. The majority of people (80-95%) testing positive for COVID-19 did not need hospitalization. The people who have died from covid were mostly very old people with comorbidities. Some of those who were vaccinated have also died due to old age or illness.

R565 where are you?

It's not guaranteed that being vaccinated protects you from getting sick. Non mRNA vaccines show just 80% efficacy, which mean every 5th person has no protection.

Not really related to the non-mRNA's in general, but one vaccine out there seems to perform particularly badly: After vaccinating some 60% of its population, mostly with China's Sinopharm, the small island nation of Seychelles is struggling with surging COVID cases.

Sinopharm maybe excepted, the non-mRNA vaccines DO provide protection from serious illness or death, even if you're somewhat more likely to contract Covid. And that's no small thing. They're also cheaper which will matter a lot in poorer countries, unless they drop their patents. AstraZeneca is $3 a shot, I believe, while Pfizer is about $20.

The U.S. should consider helping India with population control in the form of a nuclear strike. It could considered mercy killing.

India has nuclear weapons. they can spend billions on that but can't spend money on basic shit. look at their poor and also the conditions in the "hospitals"...tragic.

"Non mRNA vaccines show just 80% efficacy, which mean every 5th person has no protection."

No. It means that if you have an 80% effective vaccine on board, if you get a loading dose of the virus you have a 20% chance of getting infected rather than a 100% chance.

Basically, it means that people who are vaccinated should still be taking steps to protect themselves, the old masking, hand hygiene, and social distancing. Nobody wants to hear that these days, people want to believe they're perfectly safe when they're just... safer.

On the news, they showed Indian men rubbing cow dung all over their bodies. Why? Because they believed it would prevent them from covid. Jesus, what a fucking hellhole. India and China are constantly competing with each other for the title of "grossest country in history".

Well, if you want other people to stay six feet or more away from you, you could do worse than to rub yourself all over with cow dung!

ok, it's settled. All Trump supporting Republicans get to be blasted with cow dung.

[Quote]she was also enrolled in a programme to check how many antibodies people had six weeks after the final dose, and she was told she had none!

Yeah, I've had the pneumonia vaccine twice and nothing. Probably a good idea to test for covid antibodies 6 weeks out. Everybody should do this to understand the real risk.

“ The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) discourages antibody testing for assessing immunity after getting the vaccine.

A vaccinated person is very likely to get a negative result from a serology test, even if the vaccine was successful and protective. That’s because different serology tests detect antibodies to different parts of the virus.”

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[Quote]vaccinated person is very likely to get a negative result from a serology test, even if the vaccine was successful and protective. That’s because different serology tests detect antibodies to different parts of the virus.

This is absolute horse shit.

B-… but China is facing a DEMOGRAPHIC CRISIS!!!

India is the future!

No it's not, R579. The antibodies only last a few weeks - it's the T-cell and B-cells that bring the long-term immunity:

J. Michael Straczynski @straczynski Apr 27 Shot #1 mainly activates antibodies, which last about 6 months. Shot #2 is what pisses off the immune system into producing tons of T- and Memory B-Cells, which last years. The fever and discomfort is the factory firing up to create that army. It's a good thing. Get shot #2.

^^ I think I'll trust my immunologist at Stanford over your insipid babbling. And so should others.

The CDC discourages antibody testing for assessing immunity after getting the vaccine. In clinical trials, the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were shown to protect people against the virus 95 percent of the time and 94 percent of the time, respectively. But that does not mean everyone who gets the vaccine would test positive for antibodies, says infectious disease expert Rob Murphy.

Commercial antibody tests may not be searching for the same antibodies that the vaccine triggers. Someone who has had the vaccine and is immune to the virus may still test negative for certain antibodies, Murphy explained. Mutated virus may reinfect people already stricken once with covid-19, sparking debate and concerns.

In any case, Murphy added, antibodies are only part of a person’s immune system response. Some studies have shown that protective T cells, a white blood cell that helps protect against disease, have been elevated in some patients with covid, even though the patients had no detectable antibodies.

“After the vaccines, a lot people are going to get antibody testing — ‘Oh, I want to see if it’s working.’ It actually has very little correlation,” he said. “Many people will test negative on the antibody test, and that does not mean the vaccine didn’t work.

Lunacy

Im curious,was India such a festering shit hole when it was under British rule ? Ive known some lovely Indian people over my lifetime,but I truly never dreamed what a pustule their home country is.

I wish she’s bar selfish rich Indians from escaping to the west and force them to stay home and clean up their own mess.

[quote]It's not guaranteed that being vaccinated protects you from getting sick. Non mRNA vaccines show just 80% efficacy, which mean every 5th person has no protection.

This is completely wrong. You don't understand efficacy numbers. In trials (and the real world now), the cases of covid were reduced by 80% in the vaccinated group compared to the placebo group. Also, the severity of any illness was hugely affected. We're talking being alive vs. being dead.

I used to not like stupid and ignorant people, especially when they revel in their ignorance. Now, I fucking hate them. They need to be purged from the human population or they will kill us all. I hope they all die tomorrow so we can finally end this pandemic and prevent future ones by starting to take science seriously.

A-fucking-men, R587.

Amen, R587. The rumpheads that have disavowed science for the lies of an addled tyrant should all get it and die-those that refuse to be vaccinated. Bc they will be the ones that are responsible for mutations.

R558, I worked in Mumbai for a while a decade ago and stayed for the duration at a 5 star hotel paid for by my firm. It looked over one of the biggest slums in Mumbai and yards outside the hotel compound you were confronted with shit everywhere serving as sidewalks. Even the tony areas were cheek-by-jowl with all the misery India has to offer so I wonder where your friend actually came from. It just didn't seem possible to isolate yourself from India's poverty unless you live in some secluded settlement outside of the city and never ventured out.

[quote]On the news, they showed Indian men rubbing cow dung all over their bodies.

The U.S. equivalent is watching Fox News.

R590 what is personal safety like there? Is it dangerous to go out on your own?

At least in cities like Sao Paulo, Johannesburg, Cape Town and Mexico City, for example, one can be in an upscale area or suburb and walk around pretty freely.

Nice try R587, I actually don't see how your lame and vague statement contradicts mine.

R590, I think her family is from New Delhi.

Where do all the movie stars live in Mumbai? Surely they don't walk on shit sidewalks.

Movie star homes. Looks like many live in Juhu Mumbai.

Why is there shit in the street? Serious question nobody wants it there and if they can afford a space program they can afford sewers.

Why do people only want to talk about the worst news they can find about India? Can there ever be a neutral or positive article?

This isn't a plague. The demographic impact from covid will be negligible , especially in a country where the majority are young..

[quote]Looks like many live in Juhu Mumbai

Still a filthy shithole.

There must be shit in the air like in Katmandu which has open sewers. Face masks are suggested.

I didn't know about the shit problem until the UN made some kind of educational video to help educate the public and help with the problem.