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Actors who went woke and then went broke

Are there any actors whose careers went down the shitter because of wokeness?

I think SJW Queen Jessica Chastain is the perfect example of this. She’s dripping in wokeness and her name alone will never contribute to a film’s financial success. How she’s still considered A list at this point is beyond me.

by Anonymousreply 17305/05/2021

We won’t know until “woke” is out of fashion.

by Anonymousreply 104/22/2021

I'm sure being Ron Howard's daughter will always land her a role somewhere

by Anonymousreply 204/22/2021

I'm sure being Ron Howard's daughter means she's pretty unlikely to go broke.

by Anonymousreply 304/22/2021

What a stupid post.

by Anonymousreply 404/22/2021

How do we judge this in the middle of a pandemic?

by Anonymousreply 504/22/2021

R2 and R3, you can’t be that stupid.

by Anonymousreply 604/22/2021

Just magat things.

by Anonymousreply 704/22/2021

Good question, OP. I keep track. If you go woke, I boycott you. Same with politicians and businesses.

by Anonymousreply 804/22/2021

Another fucking MAGAt post? You do realize this is a gay gossip board? Why not take this shit to 4-Chan? Why the fuck are conservatives on a gay boars?

by Anonymousreply 904/22/2021

If Jessica Chastain's films bomb (and they generally do), it's because they're unappealing, esoteric projects that most filmgoers are uninterested in. Not much to do with her "wokeness." Something like MOLLY'S GAME might have worked with a completely different script and director, but it didn't. And it bombed.

Chastain's also got a rep as a critic's darling who was basically force-fed to the public as The Next Big Thing without sufficient proof. A shame, because she's not half bad when she's not playing virtuous, young Streep-style heroines.

In other news, she's got 5 or 6 films wrapped or in pre-production. I believe she and her bank account are just fine, OP.

by Anonymousreply 1004/22/2021

This is the same person talking to themselves. Isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 1104/22/2021

Conservatives do not support gay rights

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by Anonymousreply 1204/22/2021

So what R12. Gays always fight for gay rights.

by Anonymousreply 1304/22/2021

Bryce was great in that Black Mirror episode.

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by Anonymousreply 1404/22/2021

did the actor go broke too?

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by Anonymousreply 1504/22/2021

RuPaul probably. He said no to the trans stuff and now has trans on his show. Drag is not trans. I don’t support him anymore because of it.

by Anonymousreply 1604/22/2021

Conservatives do not support that rights

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by Anonymousreply 1704/22/2021

“Nationally, the Republican Party is running in 2020 on a platform that opposes same-sex marriage and expanding workplace protections to LGBTQ Americans.“

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by Anonymousreply 1804/22/2021

Mango Mussolini’s tenure was actively bad for gays

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by Anonymousreply 1904/22/2021

Your anti-woke hero was fucking you on the way out the door.

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by Anonymousreply 2004/22/2021

Laurence Fox's career went down the shitter when he decided to make a stand against "wokeness"

Hope this helps OP!

by Anonymousreply 2104/22/2021

The Oscars, obviously. Every award show.

by Anonymousreply 2204/22/2021

Does Laurence Fox still have that horse cock? His face went broke some time back but I still love 💘❤💕 him!

by Anonymousreply 2304/22/2021

Some of your “anti-woke” fellow travelers in action, OP

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by Anonymousreply 2404/22/2021

“Anti-wokeness” across the pond

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by Anonymousreply 2504/22/2021

Leonardo DiCaprio has stayed away from the woke, yes? I kind of wish he went woke...

by Anonymousreply 2604/22/2021

The OP must be excited about what’s happening in Europe

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by Anonymousreply 2704/22/2021

R27 the far right and far left have always been anti-gay. You’re not posting anything new.

by Anonymousreply 2804/22/2021

Samuel Woodward - the OP’s anti-woke hero

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by Anonymousreply 2904/22/2021

Look! More anti-wokeness in action!

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by Anonymousreply 3004/22/2021

I’m anti-woke. Proudly.

by Anonymousreply 3104/22/2021

So you are anti-gay, R31?

by Anonymousreply 3204/22/2021

The Academy Awards period. The new rules laid down stating that films would not be illegible for nomination unless they contained a certain percentage of diversity. REALLY? You think that’s how artists, who push the medium forward — unlike industrial studio factories — actually work and think?

Fascist purity tests have zero place in Art!

by Anonymousreply 3304/22/2021

No very pro-gay. Very very pro-gay.

And you?

by Anonymousreply 3404/22/2021

So, we have an enraged anti-woke troll, AND an unhinged "If You're Anti-Woke You're a Nazi" troll too?

I think I'm siding with the anti-woke troll on this one.

by Anonymousreply 3504/22/2021

Are you in agreement with this, R31? If so, what the hell are you doing on a gay board?

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by Anonymousreply 3604/22/2021

How can you be very pro-gay and right wing, R34? Explain it to me. Because they oppose your right to exist.

by Anonymousreply 3704/22/2021

R36–anti-woke means anti-gay?

by Anonymousreply 3804/22/2021

Who said I was right wing. There are people who make shit up.

by Anonymousreply 3904/22/2021

Anti-woke mean right wing. What the fuck do you think it means? It means supporting the people and the agendas that have fought every victory that the gay community has achieved to secure their civil rights in this country. How the fuck do you square that with being “very pro-gay”?

by Anonymousreply 4004/22/2021

I think when posters accuse you of being “right wing” they’re trying to get you banned. It’s called brigading. They make shit up to get you banned. I’ve been accused of starting threads I’ve never started, creating posts I’ve never posted, despite my posting history (which you can see). It’s a trend I’ve noticed around here. It’s called brigading.

by Anonymousreply 4104/22/2021
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by Anonymousreply 4204/22/2021

Better thread.

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by Anonymousreply 4304/22/2021

Um,41? The OP started a MAGAt thread. If they aren’t right wing, why the fuck are they starting threads like this? Right wing losers have become far too prevalent on this board. This is a gay gossip board. There are plenty of other places and apps for MAGAt shit. I hate to see this place turn into 4-chan.

by Anonymousreply 4404/22/2021

That’s brigading. ^^ That’s just pure bullshit. Notice “MAGA” used over and over again.

by Anonymousreply 4504/22/2021

No, you fucking snowflakes, you come on to a gay board with conservative troll bait, and I am sick of it. Go to Stormfront or Parler to get that fix and leave us to talk about celebrity closet cases, whether Judy Garland could have played Sally or the latest embarrassment from Drag Race.

by Anonymousreply 4604/22/2021

Who else but a MAGAt comes on to a gay board to start a thread that shills for conservatives.

by Anonymousreply 4704/22/2021

Could Judy have played Sally? That’s a really interesting question! I just can’t see that pixie cut on her.

by Anonymousreply 4804/22/2021

This is now a Spider-man thread

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by Anonymousreply 4904/22/2021

On the flip side, there was Star Wars actress who didn’t go woke and lost her part in the series but I’m too lazy to Google her name.

by Anonymousreply 5004/22/2021

More on Spidey

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by Anonymousreply 5104/22/2021

R26

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by Anonymousreply 5204/22/2021

Who does? I’m betting Tobey. Or maybe Doc Ock goes out like a hero

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by Anonymousreply 5304/22/2021

Is Sally Field going to cameo?

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by Anonymousreply 5404/22/2021

Some think the animated movie was the best if screen depiction, fortunately, there is a sequel coming

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by Anonymousreply 5504/22/2021

R52 that pic of Leo is terrible! 😂

by Anonymousreply 5604/22/2021

I like her. I’d rather that someone be vaguely annoying with the sjw posturing than be a full on nightmare like Ted Nugent or Gina Carano.

by Anonymousreply 5704/22/2021

With rumors that Raimi might get to do Spider-Man 4, here is a look at what he had originally planned

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by Anonymousreply 5804/22/2021

Jim Shooter appreciation post for the amazing Bill Sienkiewicz

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by Anonymousreply 5904/22/2021

“Sinister War” sounds promising

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by Anonymousreply 6004/22/2021

[quote]The Academy Awards period. The new rules laid down stating that films would not be illegible for nomination unless they contained a certain percentage of diversity. REALLY? You think that’s how artists, who push the medium forward — unlike industrial studio factories — actually work and think?

The LGBT community and women are included in that push so the film could have three white gay men, a white woman and a white trans person and it will count towards the mandatory inclusion.

by Anonymousreply 6104/22/2021

I’ve never been a big fan of Venom, but this concept art is an interesting “what-if” had the Garfield films continued.

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by Anonymousreply 6204/22/2021

I’d rather see DL fave Pedro Pascal as Kraven, myself

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by Anonymousreply 6304/22/2021

I had no idea the webslinger was so popular on the sub-continent

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by Anonymousreply 6404/22/2021

An appreciation of the background music on the original 60s cartoon.

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by Anonymousreply 6504/22/2021

[quote] Anti-woke mean right wing.

Woke is fascism. Which is why, Gen Z luv, opposition to Woke crosses all party lines.

Gay forums also support free speech. We realise that’s a horrid brain-frying concept to you because it exposes you to diverse opinion, but there it is. Gay people, like most mature people, embrace a diversity of opinion. Given your shrillness, we suggest your mental health would be better served by retreating to one of the ‘safe spaces’ in which you were obviously coddled. But people aren’t going to modify their opinion to suit your demands, however hard you stamp your bright red shoe.

by Anonymousreply 6604/22/2021

Hey dipshit at R66, name one major right wing figure who supported gay rights in a meaningful way? You are a fucking conservative piece of trash coming on to a gay gossip board smearing “wokeness” - newsflash gramps - people who supported gay rights in the 60s-90s would be considered “woke” today. But you knew that.

by Anonymousreply 6704/22/2021

Point to one element of this definition that sounds like the “woke” crowd. Sounds like anti-wokeness to me. Words have meanings, Humpty Dumpty

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by Anonymousreply 6804/22/2021

And I’m not some zoomer, jackass - I marched with Act Up and Queer Nation in the early 90s. And I vividly remember the hate that came from the right wing. Are you even gay, OP/R66? What’s your damage?

by Anonymousreply 6904/22/2021

Woke has nothing to do with gay rights, muppet.

by Anonymousreply 7004/22/2021

Brie Larson, Alyssa Milano, Katy Perry, Demi Lovato

by Anonymousreply 7104/22/2021

More Spidey

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by Anonymousreply 7204/22/2021

Talking about politics is never a good idea. If you're a conservative, the corporate elite will try to cancel you. If you're woke, audiences will grow tired of you.

by Anonymousreply 7304/22/2021

Do the people who supported gay rights in the 60-90s would not have been derided as woke, R70? When were you born? You seem to have zero sense of history? How old are you, clown-shoes? Do you have any grasp on the vitriol that gay rights supporters received from right wing shit-stains?

by Anonymousreply 7404/22/2021

[quote] Woke is fascism. Which is why, Gen Z luv, opposition to Woke crosses all party lines.

That’s absurd, defacturd. It’s annoying but not fascism. It’s the opposite of fascism.

Rightwing agit-prop drones like you remind me of the halfwits who say that the Nazis were socialists because the word “socialist” was in the party name.

by Anonymousreply 7504/22/2021

There was a time when gay rights supported NAMBLA. But we presume legendary names in the fight for civil rights like Harry Hay who did mean nothing to you, R74. Few things are black and white and fit into the neat little boxes you wish they would.

As for Woke: most sane people across the spectrum see it as a grossly intolerant movement. Intolerant of free thought and free speech. As your shrill ‘How very dare you’ objections here well demonstrate. But as it’s pretty obvious you’re off your medication, we’re merely toying with you.

by Anonymousreply 7604/22/2021

No diptshit, R76 - NAMBLA never received major support and the radical fairies were never mainstream. Way to associate gays with pedophiles though. And you consistently refuse to answer the question - support for gay rights came from the left - and those who supported it were derided as woke - or PC to use a term from the 80s and 90:s. So why the fuck are you on a gay board pushing right wing talking points.

by Anonymousreply 7704/22/2021

Gay rights is not woke.

by Anonymousreply 7804/22/2021

Gay people who fought for freedom in the 70s would be horrified by Woke. Woke is very opposite of liberation and freedom. It’s an aggressively fascist movement that seeks to punish those who oppose its lockstep thought.

by Anonymousreply 7904/22/2021

Woke isn’t just the opposite of Liberation, it’s a trashing of the ideals of the entire Enlightenment.

Imagine Voltaire today: he’d have been cancelled in a minute!

by Anonymousreply 8004/22/2021

Half of this thread is invisible to me, which tells me that some of these posters are extremely racist, sexist, transphobic, etc. or else I wouldn’t have blocked them. That says it all.

by Anonymousreply 8104/22/2021

You clueless fucking cunts - words have meaning -

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by Anonymousreply 8204/22/2021

[quote]Half of this thread is invisible to me, which tells me that some of these posters are extremely racist, sexist, transphobic, etc. or else I wouldn’t have blocked them. That says it all.

What’s the point of saying this? It’s sad.

by Anonymousreply 8304/22/2021

Numbskull at R80 - gay rights were pushed by liberals - the same group that you deride as “woke” - Republicans and right wingers (hardly the sort who champion enlightenment ideals) fought them. Those who supported hay rights in the latter half of the 20th century would have been derided as “woke”. Voltaire? I can only imagine what he would have made of Jerry Falwell and his ilk.

by Anonymousreply 8404/22/2021

The same types of people who hated abolitionists, the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s, Political Correctness from the 80s and 90s have now decided to hate "woke" for the very same reasons and same prejudices that never seem to go away. Is some of it annoying? Yes. Does some of it make you uncomfortable because you have to confront you own baked in biases? Yes.

But here we all sit on a gay message board, being our gay selves and people have the nerve to bring this shit here. If it weren't for woke people or whatever the version of woke was back in the day, being gay might still get you thrown into a mental ward or jail.

by Anonymousreply 8504/22/2021

If they want woke—then they get it. I’m not voting for it.

by Anonymousreply 8604/22/2021

So you vote to oppose gay rights, R86?

by Anonymousreply 8704/22/2021

Gay rights isn’t woke, brigader.

by Anonymousreply 8804/22/2021

LOL. Wokey just looked up fascism. Bless. Well, they learnt a new word. Woke isn’t liberal. Woke is profoundly illiberal. It demands a closing of minds, not an opening up of them. It is intolerant of any opinion it does not share, and not only that, seeks censorship of them — censorship as unforgiving as the most rabid intolerant rightwinger. That’s why so many people on the Left are upset that the Left isn’t taking s stronger issue calling out its illiberal tendencies. Thank heaven for the leftists that are! Woke is certainly no friend of free speech. And in defending THAT, politics is irrelevant.

by Anonymousreply 8904/22/2021

[quote]It demands a closing of minds, not an opening up of them. It is intolerant of any opinion it does not share, and not only that, seeks censorship of them — censorship as unforgiving as the most rabid intolerant rightwinger.

Hence this:

[quote]Half of this thread is invisible to me, which tells me that some of these posters are extremely racist, sexist, transphobic, etc. or else I wouldn’t have blocked them. That says it all.

by Anonymousreply 9004/22/2021

Dipshits turning themselves into pretzels trying to justify supporting right wing positions. Fascism is a right wing phenomenon. And those who deride the woke also oppose gay rights. So what the fuck are they doing on a gay gossip board?

by Anonymousreply 9104/22/2021

Anyway, more Spider-Man

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by Anonymousreply 9204/22/2021

[quote]supporting right wing positions.

More manipulation with sole intent to get you banned.

by Anonymousreply 9304/22/2021

Care to expand on that thought R93? Seems like the brain worms prevent you from sharing a coherent thought.

by Anonymousreply 9404/22/2021

[quote] Fascism is a right wing phenomenon.

Psst: don’t tell R91 about the CCCP or the GDR: she’ll have a brain freeze.

by Anonymousreply 9504/22/2021

It’s called brigading R94. I described it upthread.

by Anonymousreply 9604/22/2021

Don’t tell me about communist countries? You do understand although both communism and fascism were evil, they sprang from different sources? Or did your podunk GED class not go into details?

by Anonymousreply 9704/22/2021

And I ask again - when did any major Republican or right-wing figure advance gay rights? Even Goldwater’s “you don’t have to be straight to shoot straight” sentiment wasn’t followed up with any meaningful attempt at lifting the ban. There have always been fuzzy headed liberals - but the right has always vehemently opposed gay rights

by Anonymousreply 9804/22/2021

So why is OP here on a gay gossip board parroting right-wing talking points?

by Anonymousreply 9904/22/2021

You just said fascism was a right wing phenomenon, Wokey. You were given just two examples from the plethora of profoundly left-wing dictatorships, and attempt to split hairs. Good luck with that!

by Anonymousreply 10004/22/2021

Excellent. Changing the topic is always best when one fails in a debate — or can’t debate at all.

by Anonymousreply 10104/22/2021

“Go woke, go broke” is a right-wing talking point, straight from the bowels of 8-Chan. Why is OP on a gay gossip board echoing that kind of idea? Anti-woke are vehemently anti-gay. Ask any shit poster on those sites If they supper gay rights - you!”ll be laughed at. Right-wingers hate the gay community. They would herd us into the gas chambers if they were allowed to. So why is a poster on a gay gossip board pushing this kind of rhetoric?

by Anonymousreply 10204/22/2021

R100 - you do understand the difference between fascism and communism, correct? Both evil, both often resulting in totalitarian societies - but different in their origins and goals. Or is that something you didn’t learn because you never bothered to pursue higher education?

by Anonymousreply 10304/22/2021

R101 - I am itching for a debate. But what I keep getting in response are confused attempts at deflection from people who won’t engage on the fact that the left championed gay rights and the right opposed them, and continues to do so. Yet here we are, on a gay gossip site, and the OP is posting using right wing buzzwords.

by Anonymousreply 10404/22/2021

So CCCP and GDR weren’t left wing. Golly. Thanks for rewriting history for us, but we actually prefer to defer to our own memory of travelling there... which oddly enough, accords with some so-called historians. Well, you can get round to cancelling them soon. Kisses doll. We’ve got other things to do. But thanks for the amusement.

by Anonymousreply 10504/22/2021

R104 refute R89.

by Anonymousreply 10604/22/2021

[quote] I am itching for a debate. But what I keep getting in response are confused attempts at deflection from people who won’t engage on the fact that the left championed gay rights and the right opposed them, and continues to do so. Yet here we are, on a gay gossip site, and the OP is posting using right wing buzzwords.

Wokeists are not in favor of individual rights that transcend sexuality. They are also in favor of more queer identities that dilutes gay identity.

by Anonymousreply 10704/22/2021

Moron at R105 still doesn’t realize that communism crimes from the left. Fascism is a right wing political ideology. Did you travel there under a coma? Or are you that ignorant of history?

by Anonymousreply 10804/22/2021

R107, what are you babbling about? Tell me one major figure on the right who supports or supported gay rights?

by Anonymousreply 10904/22/2021

R105 doesn’t know his right from his left. Both nations were left wing. What has that do with fascism?

by Anonymousreply 11004/22/2021

[quote] Fascism is a right wing political ideology.

Militarizing DC and a government aligning with an oligarchy that targets its citizens sounds awfully fascist to me.

by Anonymousreply 11104/22/2021

As does banning books.

by Anonymousreply 11204/22/2021

R109 can you refute R107? He made a good argument so refute it. I’m itching for you to respond to good arguments.

by Anonymousreply 11304/22/2021

Militarizing DC? You mean the security measures that were taken up after a RIGHT WING mob attacked the seat of government? And oligarchs? Are you referring to the fact that corporation are opposing RIGHT WING state legislature’s attempts to roll back voting rights? My, my - your slip is showing. You aren’t gay right? Why are you on a gay gossip board promoting this shit? Aren’t there richer sources to troll?

by Anonymousreply 11404/22/2021

R114 that wasn’t a good argument against R111. I think you two are two completely different levels.

by Anonymousreply 11504/22/2021

Your example for a broke actress is Jessica Chastain? She has a net worth of 40 million.

Not only that, but she has an HBO miniseries coming up and 4 films in post production.

And we're not talking about low budget B pics. Nice try though.

by Anonymousreply 11604/22/2021

Naming books? You mean when an author’s estate decides to stop publishing a handful of tones? Censorship is state sponsored, not the private sector. Or is that too complicated a concept for you? Where the fuck did you come from? Are you a bitter, unloved and unfuckable old gay living in some backwater, who went down the right wing rabbit hole? Such a shame. Are you still waiting on Q to reveal themselves? Is the storm coming? Go back to laundering your mumu, toots.

by Anonymousreply 11704/22/2021

R15, two and too have two different meanings. Is English your second language? Or are you that poorly educated? And if I had any idea what they were talking about, I’d give it a try. Here is my point - liberals supported gay rights, and conservatives opposed them. So why is someone on a gay gossip board pushing right wing talking points?

by Anonymousreply 11804/22/2021

This post does wreak of frau Trumptard, but I must say that the assessment of being against woke culture automatically makes one a Right Wing fascist is nonsense. Woke culture, like many ideas, started out as a good thing. Opening ones eyes to injustice and inequality. Fighting the good fight. Now it has been abused and misused. People use the idea to manipulate the less intelligent by claiming victimhood. If you question their agendas then you are pointed out as part of the problem. It is quite ingenious. Those who manipulate the woke masses know their audience and understand that they will be supported without question.

by Anonymousreply 11904/22/2021

Woke us ant-intellectual. That’s a problem. It’s also requires the troubling belief that nothing good has come from American culture, that anything designated as “white,” including punctuality of all things, should be discarded in schools, and worst of all, that all people of color are victims with no agency to control their own lives. All white people are evil oppressors who can’t help themselves even if they wanted to. Illogical and dangerous, not to mention extremely condescending. “Woke” offers no solutions, only conflict.

by Anonymousreply 12004/22/2021

The problem is that the right is a monolith - they are organized, well-funded and determined. Gay rights are going to be tossed along with other minority rights. If we don’t hang together, we will hang separately. Parroting right wing buzzwords isn’t going to help maintain civil liberties.

by Anonymousreply 12104/22/2021

You have to question a movement whose only response to intellegeny, reasonable questions is “you’re a racist/Nazi/Trump supporter!”

I would wager most of us questioning the Woke movement are none of those things, but it’s a very effective way to absolutely kill any kind of debate. And why shouldn’t debate ideas? Isn’t that the point of a democracy?

If you believe in woke ideology, you must be prepared to make your argument(s) not try to shut down the person asking with a weaponized “UR RaCIST!!!111!!!”

I have always considers myself very progressive. I was sneered at by a boss for my “bleeding heart liberal” perspective. The “tear it down” agenda is not progressive in any way, nor is teaching little kids they are either oppressors or victims. Life is more complicated than that. There are so many factors that are more significant than skin color, including the two MOST important, that people avoid discussing: Inherited wealth and intelligence. Both can and do significantly affect a person’s chance to “make it.”

This country has a history of poor, smart, hardworking immigrants “making it,” but it takes discipline and a willingness to postpone gratification, which is unheard of in the youth of today.

We also have a history of wealthy people benefiting from legacies and “old boys’ clubs.”

It’s far more nuanced than “black” and “white.”

by Anonymousreply 12204/22/2021

I’ll grant you all those points, R122. But the OP didn’t come here to post for nuance. And although there is certainly excess from the left, particularly online and on social media - the right is hidebound and determined to roll back minority rights across the board. As much as the old queens on here revel in misogyny or lament that we can’t “drop the T” - gay rights are intimately bound up with the rights of racial minorities, women and other marginalized groups. There might always be a spot for the gossipy poofters who will be bridge partners for the Bar Bushes of agile as, but we can forget about marriage or other protections if these folks get their way. And having shit-stirrers like OP jump on a gay gossip board is just an attempt to divide and conquer.

by Anonymousreply 12304/22/2021

Everytime there is a progressive or liberal who comes out with a more nuanced perspective, they are accused of being a Russian asset with no evidence.

by Anonymousreply 12404/22/2021

People like Matt Taibbi, Glen Greenwald, Tulsi Gabbard, and even Bernie Sanders, who I don't even like.

by Anonymousreply 12504/22/2021

They fooled most of America into thinking that woke is a far left ideology when it's a corporate tool of the establishment.

by Anonymousreply 12604/22/2021

What does that mean. R128?

by Anonymousreply 12704/22/2021

Even Noam Chomsky, who considers himself an anarchist, is considered too dangerous for the modern left.

by Anonymousreply 12804/22/2021

R123 I figured the actor angle was just a way to gossip over show biz, as per usual on here. I don’t think the arts are really affected by cancel culture, at least not the way your typical officer worker is. At least, musicians aren’t.

Look at JK Rowling, I don’t think trans thing affected her too much.

by Anonymousreply 12904/22/2021

[quote] Censorship is state sponsored, not the private sector

Political opinions are not protected, however what do you say when people get banned for saying stuff that is not even overtly political? And it doesn't bother you at all that companies that are effectively monopolies can choose to deny their services to those they disagree with? Aren't liberals supposed to champion free speech or who stood up for the rights of gay couples who were denied a wedding cake from a homophobic baker? They've completely gone the opposite direction.

by Anonymousreply 13004/22/2021

And I doubt it was the Seuss family who chose to withdraw those books from publication. Like most instances of self censorship, they cave to the mob.

by Anonymousreply 13104/22/2021

[quote] Look at JK Rowling, I don’t think trans thing affected her too much.

The only reason Rowling survived is because he has "fuck you" money.

by Anonymousreply 13204/22/2021

Jeffrey Tambor.

by Anonymousreply 13304/22/2021

R130 - when you have a group of elected officials trying to strip voting rights, isn’t it a good thing to have all segments of society speak out? Gays certainly took it as a positive when corporations enacted policies favorable to them and started supporting gay events. Why is this different? Are you a gay man? What’s your memory of the fights during the latter half of the 20th century?

by Anonymousreply 13404/22/2021

R134 Yes, I'm 100% gay and I think we need greater security and transparency regarding elections. Being an elder millennial, I came of age in the mid to late 90s when homosexuality was mostly accepted.

by Anonymousreply 13504/22/2021

Greater scrutiny and transparency?

by Anonymousreply 13604/22/2021

So R134, does that mean you buy the election fraud bullshit that the GOP is pushing. As an “elder millennial” do you not have any first hand experience with discrimination? Do you have any sense of what it was like when there were laws banning homosexuality. Even now, there are states where you can get married in the morning and fired in the afternoon. And yet you support right wing Republicans attempts to make voting more difficult?

by Anonymousreply 13704/22/2021

Eddie Redmane and Emma Watson.

by Anonymousreply 13804/22/2021

Emma Watson is just a lousy actress.

by Anonymousreply 13904/22/2021

Wokeness has absolutely NOTHING to do with actual progressive, liberal, democratic ideologies. It's actually illiberal. And closer to being a religious crusade than anything remotely rooted in a progressive, liberal agenda. It's a bratty, radical subset of leftist socialists (marxists really) who promote a doctrine of supposedly liberal values, but the minute anyone (from the LEFT) challenges or critiques them, the woke inquisition goes after them to silence, punish or convert the offending voice. As John McWhorter quipped, listening to any woke person speak "is like going to church".

If you don't tow the ideological line exactly as written "you're against us". It's the worst kind of identity politics. You see this on Twitter and at the university level every day. This crusade is not emblematic of the progressive left. It's authoritarian: censuring thoughts, words and ideas that go against the woke orthodoxy. Feelings overrule facts every time. Passing thoughts are grounds for cancellation. Having indirect associations with 'problematic' figures is grounds for cancellation. It's obscene.

I know many, MANY LGBT progressives who are increasingly anti-woke for these reasons. These people are not right-wingers, they're not even moderates. But the pendulum has swung so ridiculously far left (and right) that anyone not drinking the woke kool-aid is vilified as such. To be anti-woke is to be a Neo-Nazi? Give me a fucking break. This is the extreme rhetoric the radical left and radical right stoke to keep people divided. Anyone capable of thinking critically should reject these toxic, divisive ideologies.

by Anonymousreply 14004/22/2021

This is a good description of what wokeness has become and why it’s alienating people.

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by Anonymousreply 14104/22/2021

R141 Good article but this was my favorite part.

[quote] I can no longer be an active participant in any culture or movement that encourages groupthink, outrage on demand, fear and violence, revamped segregation, fabricating history, cancellations masked as accountability, self-centredness...normalisation of racism towards white people, the disempowerment of black people masked as social justice, the constant redefining of existing language, ignoring self-responsibility, constant pathologizing, oppressed vs oppressor mentality, and the pressure to conform and comply...

by Anonymousreply 14204/22/2021

[quote]I came of age in the mid to late 90s when homosexuality was mostly accepted.

Well that is just fine and dandy, but what about all the gay men and women who had to march in the streets, and start some riots and live their lives unapologetically so that you could live in your little bubble of acceptance? It annoys me that people enjoy the rights that others had to works so hard for and then don't want to pay any of it forward.

That is what annoys me about gay republicans/conservatives. They get to benefit from the hard work of people they don't support and vote for. From the work of people who they don't want to be associated with. It's galling.

[quote]I think we need greater security and transparency regarding elections.

From Republicans. Almost every single time there is some type of voting shadiness there is a republican involved. Whether it's republicans trying to vote twice or in different states or using their positions on electoral boards to fuck with the process.

The woke crowd can be annoying and sometimes misguided (mostly fueled by youthful inexperience), but I will take them over the crazy right who just wants to set the clock back to Jim Crow and definitely before Stonewall.

by Anonymousreply 14304/22/2021

Let's do stars who went right-wing and faded into obscurity:

1.James Woods

2.Scott Baio

3.Kirk Cameron

Who else?

by Anonymousreply 14404/22/2021

Who the hell thinks woke people are a bigger problem than delusional Republicans like OP?

Pretty sure white nationalists, QAnon freaks, Fox News liars, and Trumpsters are a bigger problem than people who are liberal and support democracy

by Anonymousreply 14504/22/2021

James Woods is retired from acting. He had a hell of a good run though. I see that it's mostly laid off the political commentary and just tweets cute videos of dogs now. I'd probably do the same if I were a public figure just for the sake of my sanity.

by Anonymousreply 14604/22/2021

[quote] Well that is just fine and dandy, but what about all the gay men and women who had to march in the streets, and start some riots and live their lives unapologetically so that you could live in your little bubble of acceptance?

If I had lived during that time, I would've marched right alongside them. When I attended my fist gay pride, it no longer was about advancing civil rights as much allowing others to coopt our movement and making money. Those who were most at risk in the gay community couldn't even afford to attend.

[quote] From Republicans. Almost every single time there is some type of voting shadiness there is a republican involved.

And those Republicans should be held accountable. What we don't need is a repeat of the 2016 or the 2020 elections. Without election integrity, democracy dies.

by Anonymousreply 14704/22/2021

No, but I can think of a lot of Republicans who Went Broke after society Went Woke.

And that's why Butt-Hurt Boris the OP is concocting another thread trying to demonize social justice. So sorry bringing murderers like Derek Chauvin to justice triggers you.

F&F

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by Anonymousreply 14804/22/2021

What R140 said 1000 Xs!!!

For the "limited" folks on here who keep repeating the same dumb question about "who's against gay rights? Right wing people!" like someone on the spectrum.......

Newsflash: You can be against 2 things at the same time!!!!!

Actual liberals are 1) against right-wing conservatives AND 2) against radical-left "WOKESTERS" who are anything but liberal.

Liberals believe in free thinking, equal rights for all etc. Liberals think that men and women/boys and girls can express themselves however they want without needing to alter their "Gender". Liberals don't try to ban books, ideas, alternative points of view.

And this board is for gays.

Newsflash #2: Not all gays are liberal. There are some gay conservatives whether you like it or not. or understand them or not. True liberals understand people have a right to be stupid.

by Anonymousreply 14904/22/2021

Nobody cares about “woke” & “cancel culture” memes you GQPers are constantly repeating. You’re like someone’s great grandparents in the nursing home talking about dirty hippies & miniskirt floozies

by Anonymousreply 15004/22/2021

[quote] on gay boars.

R9 you should make an entire thread about Saturday night at your house.

by Anonymousreply 15104/22/2021

The reason why Wokeism is so popular with the corporate world is because they get to so easily evade accountability by making symbolic gestures. Don't want to tackle mass inequality and a record of human rights abuses. Just donate to BLM. Don't want to deal with the casting couch which has become an open secret an Hollywood? No worries, just #Metoo. Don't want to be held accountable for hypocrisy in your business dealings with China and the Middle East? Once again, just come up with a counsel for diversity. Don't want to pay your employees salaries? No worries, just donate some of you ill gotten gains to the cause du jour. Easy peasy. No one is accountable and the status quo is protected.

by Anonymousreply 15204/22/2021

The world was better when blacks knew their place and whites reminded them of it when they got out of line.

by Anonymousreply 15304/22/2021

Those people who can't take care of themselves and want the government to be their mommy and their daddy will always be anti-freedom.

by Anonymousreply 15404/22/2021

R154 - and who is pro freedom? Republicans? They aren’t pro freedom for gays.

by Anonymousreply 15504/22/2021

Well, dipshit at R149 - if they take rights away from other minority groups - what the actual fuck makes you think they’ll allow gays to keep theirs? It is an either or question. Some lefties can be annoying, but the Republicans would strip you of any rights that others have fought to achieve.

by Anonymousreply 15604/22/2021

R155, the greatest freedom is the freedom to be left alone to pursue your own happiness.

by Anonymousreply 15704/22/2021

[quote]Why the fuck are conservatives on a gay boars?

Because they’re pig bottoms?

by Anonymousreply 15804/22/2021

[quote] Being an elder millennial, I came of age in the mid to late 90s when homosexuality was mostly accepted.

It was?

by Anonymousreply 15904/22/2021

I'm loving the Spidey poster.

by Anonymousreply 16004/22/2021

[quote] gay rights are intimately bound up with the rights of racial minorities, women and other marginalized groups.

That’s a heart-warming thought, but as history shows, it’s simply not true. Every minority group has its own beliefs and agendas. Occasionally there might be some accord, and come together, but generally they work separately. And it’s different in every country. eg the history of gay liberation in France, arising from a pederastic artistic elite, with figures like Gide and Peyrefitte, is radically different to its history in Germany, that goes back to Ulrichs, and both are very different to that of America.

by Anonymousreply 16104/22/2021

[quote] marginalized groups

Ha! More like a bunch of lazy fucking crybabies.

by Anonymousreply 16204/22/2021

R77, That dipshit that you pointed out said something similar in another thread about gay activists/groups supporting paedophilia, which never happened. Just ignore the dipshit troll and it's pitiful shrieks of "woke is fascism!!". 🙄

by Anonymousreply 16304/22/2021

r149 = More weak sauce from Boris the Nazi Incel.

Nice try, Boris.

FWIW, I'm a life-long Republican who voted for Greatest President on Earth Donald J. Trump so DO NOT COME FOR ME. But let's be honest, the Republican Party base is a bunch of inbred white trash who will believe anything the party fat cats pay to make them believe.

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by Anonymousreply 16404/22/2021

R164 For all the critics who like to make fun of the "both sides" people, it's funny that it's really hard to tell the difference between the right and left wing trolls. Their language is so similar.

by Anonymousreply 16504/22/2021

[quote]Well, dipshit at [R149] - if they take rights away from other minority groups - what the actual fuck makes you think they’ll allow gays to keep theirs? It is an either or question. Some lefties can be annoying, but the Republicans would strip you of any rights that others have fought to achieve.

Right wing people try to take rights away from gays So do radical left who support the trans. TRA are homophobic and denying the rights of women and gays.

But you're probably a trannie loon anyway and you didn't actually refute anything I said you just "scream" which is typical.

But adults can see through you.

by Anonymousreply 16604/22/2021

Carla says it all.

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by Anonymousreply 16704/23/2021

Wrong Dipshit at R161. The same group that would strip rights from gays would strip rights from racial minorities and women. Their agenda is built around maximizing the power of straight white men, and wealthy ones at that. Thank God you and your kind weren't more numerous when the real fights were going down. You can enjoy sitting at the feet of wealthy straight white women and begging for treats. I assume you can at least design a dress or do their hair?

by Anonymousreply 16804/23/2021

Double dipshit to you R168!

by Anonymousreply 16904/23/2021

It's so depressing we're having the same arguments now that we did in 1991 when everyone thought "The PC Police!" were gonna kill us all.

by Anonymousreply 17005/04/2021

R170 The conversation today is nothing like 91.

by Anonymousreply 17105/04/2021

[quote] in 1991 when everyone thought "The PC Police!" were gonna kill us all.

Political Correctness is 10x worse now than it was in 1991. Maybe you should have listened to them.

by Anonymousreply 17205/04/2021

It's really not any worse. It's really just the exact same fucking thing. You drama queens are dumb and forgetful.

by Anonymousreply 17305/05/2021
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