Classic Hollywood stars you SUSPECT had plastic surgery

Rin-Tin-Tin.

Lassie.

Francis the Talk Mule.

Dr. Frank Kamer was the nose guy in Bev Hills. My guess is he worked on Audrey.

Julie Andrews and Doris Day seem to have had very subtle nose surgery. They seem to be a slightly bit more bulbous in photos when they are very young. Leslie Ann Warren and Lena Horne.

Vivien Leigh looks different in her pre-Hollywood days

Barbara Eden before the nose job

Acting wasn't her primary profession (although she did appear in a handful of films) but I heavily suspect Patti Page had some major work done in the mid-50s.

In the late 40s/early 50s she had a round face and a figure that was quite zaftig. Around 1954 or 55, she re-emerged with not only a stick thin figure but facial features that were completely different. In her memoirs she claimed that it was the result of a strict diet, but I suspect it was something more.

The original Patti Page look in 1952................

Patti Page post "dieting" in 1960.

Vivien Leigh aged gracefully, no surgery there. R4 is a troll

Barbara Eden looked like a Troll presurgury. Oh, dear.

I saw a Hedy Lamarr documentary some years back. They interviewed one of Ms. Lamarr's closest girlfriends. The friend said that as far back as the mid 40s when they were in their early 30s Hedy was already talking about "going in" for a FULL facelift!

Although her looks changed, Ms. Lamarr remained lovely throughout the 50s & 60s. But it was obvious that she had been "worked". She eventually disfigured herself from having too much surgery done to her face.

Hedy definitely looked "refreshed"

Here's Zsa Zsa Gabor with her original look in 1939.

The general consensus is that she had her face completely redone throughout the 1940s during her marriage to Conrad Hilton.

Vivian Leigh was stunningly gorgeous any way you put it. Part of the reason I founder work in Streetcar so stunning was her almost wasted appearance in the film.

Marilyn Monroe had a nose job

Kirk Douglas, nose job around 1949, 1950 after he had already been in movies 3 or 4 years

Barbara Stanwyck must have had a facelift, as her eyes got more and more almond shaped. June Allyson also, probably in the 1950s, and definitely when she was older. Jean Arthur had such a sharp jaw and youthful looks even when she was 40+ (born in 1900). The difference in those days is stars had *good* plastic surgery and it was hardly noticeable, unlike now. No idea why it's so bad now.

Marlo Thomas

DL fave Nanette Fabray had the mother of all nosejobs

Carolyn Jones also had a nosejob before she was famous

OT but Russian Empress Maria Feodorvna left the capital for few months after her husband died and returned looking much younger. The gossip was she had had something done with her face. Back in those days it was painful and very risky.

Babs had a nose job to keep her giant schnoz from drooping. It was done in her 40s.

It's obvious she's had much more done since.

Rita Hayworth was always gorgeous but pre-1939 her Hispanic heritage was much more apparent in her looks. Biographers have written about the electrolysis she had performed on her hairline and her switch from raven to auburn tresses; but I suspect that there were other minor tweaks done to her face. Whatever the case, the results were fabulous!

Barbara Bel Geddes (before)

Barbara Bel Geddes (after)

Crawford was remarkably unchanged over the years.

R24, most of Crawford's facial changes over the years can be credited to natural aging & the makeup she used to create her "look". But she did go in for a full "freshening up" sometime in the early 50s. Probably just prior to "Torch Song". After that, any soft features that she once had were completely gone! But she remained a handsome, attractive woman for the rest of her life.

I don't know how true this is, so you can take it with a grain of salt. I read several years ago that when Crawford went in for that lift in the early 50s, her surgeon STRONGLY advised her to stop drinking while she recovered. Joanie didn't listen and that may be why she emerged with a harder look with more noticeable jowls.

Another OT but Kiri Te Kanawa. It seems that nose surgery has little affect on how one sings.

When did Hollywood start to use injectible silicone as filler? Early 1960s?

What kind of nose jobs existed in the 1930s? I know that plastic surgeons in Germany were making big bucks giving nose jobs to Jewish girls, but were they able to fix bulbous nose tips at that point?

I don't think Vivien Leigh had plastic surgery, she aged too badly. I think she just got better photographers.

R28 why are you making a distinction between fixing the tip (which is much more minor as you don’t even have to break the bone to do it) vs fixing the bridge and the whole nose.

A lot of these actresses like Marilyn Monroe had ok noses to start but basically just narrowed/refined the tip a bit - if that’s your biggest problem that’s not so bad. I would think anything involving the bone is much more complicated.

Linda Hunt had very tastefully done breast implants.

Wow, r12.

Don't forget me!

after

There is a former Ziegfield Girl named Alice White who had a nose job and went platinum and became an actress, but I am having trouble finding older photos of her.

Jean Harlow's original nose was terrible.

Yes, "No Nose Nanette" was a victim of the early Hollywood nose job. Ann Miller had one too (though not nearly as severe)

Dean Martin and Milton Berle had (more subtle) nose jobs early on in their careers. A Burt Lancaster biography mentions a quote where he says that he has undergone so much plastic surgery that, in his words: “the most real thing on my face are my eyes.”

While not surgical, a good many men had custom hairpieces made (many of them crafted by Max Factor). Nelson Eddy, Humphrey Bogart, Frank Sinatra, James Stewart (1950s onward), Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, Bing Crosby, Bobby Darin, Rex Harrison, George Maharis, John Wayne...

Op put SUSPECT in CAPS. One assumes the criteria is unconfirmed or unknown. Everyone knows about the cases some of you are posting!

I a thread asks stars you SUSPECT were gay, you aren't going to write Rock Hudson.

Dean Martin had two nose jobs, I believe.

Dean's first nose:

Dean's second nose, and his third:

Neil Diamond had a modest nose job, going from this

...to this

Cher has been long rumored to have had surgery but if she has it's so subtle you can't tell.

It's been suspected that Hollywood Beauty, Joan Van Ark has had a few nips and tucks but this can't be confirmed.

R42 actually did have an excellent nose job - refined and yet the perfect shape and size for her face. If she didn’t become such a plastic surgery poster child in every other way people would realize that it’s very good work.

[quote]When did Hollywood start to use injectible silicone as filler? Early 1960s?

Yes, that's when it started to be popular for breast augmentation (the gel implant was invented in 1962 but was cutting-edge and not widely available yet).

The widow of an LA plastic surgeon told an editor at [italic]Allure[/italic] that Marilyn Monroe went to her husband for help because she allegedly got silicone injections in the months before she died and her breasts became infected and painful. Elizabeth Taylor was rumored to have had her breasts injected as well.

The original, old-fashioned full facelift is brutal and risky, but it is so superior to contemporary mid-lifts with Botox and fillers. Those work well when a person is still relatively young, but once the face becomes more lax, more fillers have to be used and people end up looking like their faces are infected and burgeoning on exploding with infectious pus. I find the Bravo Housewives et al. to be terrifying looking. And now young women in their teens and 20s are getting disfiguring lip injections or implants and they look absolutely mutilated to me.

Joan Crawford looked amazing in her 50s. She looked her age, but she was the most striking and attractive version of her age she could have been. Brandi Glanville was gorgeous when she was young and by her 40s, she began to mutilate herself, and she's going to look like an absolute Frankenstein's monster within 10 years. It's sad to me that this kind of disfigurement now telegraphs status among wealthy women.

R46, what it telegraphs is insecurity and dysmorphia. You don’t need to be wealthy to disfigure your face.

Truly excellent subtle work might be expensive, though.

Did Julie Adams (from Creature From the Black Lagoon) have a nose job? I saw her in an episode of Night Gallery and her nose looked strange up close, kind of "pinched"

I think I read somewhere that Lana Turner brought a picture of her young self to a plastic surgeon and asked him to make her look like that again. He looked at her like she was a crazy person and said 'Only God could do that.'

I swear, Michael Jackson had SOMETHING done between 1980 and 2008 but I just can't put my finger on it...

Michael Jackson was hardly "classic Hollywood"

Rhonda Fleming was beautiful but had kind of a honker, she had her nose done and then she looked beautiful but very generic.

R39 Dean Martin also obviously had his hairline shaved back (or had electrolysis) ,but only on the side where his part was. The hairline is not natural. I noticed it in some of his movies but you can also see it in the third photo.

Was this taken pre nose job? Her nose looks different in it

R53 I agree Audrey Hepburn probably had a nose job. This is from The Secret People (1952) which she made just before he first Hollywood film, Roman Holiday (1953).

Vivien Leigh looked a little different pre-Hollywood but I think it was her makeup and the fact that she had plucked, thin eyebrows., vs the natural eyebrows she grew out for GWTW, then kept.

R53 Sorry, I meant to reply to you in that post. The answer is yes.

I think Robert Mitchum also had a nose job. he had a prominent nose anyway but it looks much bigger in this clip from The Human Comedy (1943). (With Barry Nelson, Don DeFore, Donna Reed, Dorothy Morris, Frank Morgan.)

Jill St John looked like a totally different person

Mitchum does look a little different

[quote]The widow of an LA plastic surgeon told an editor at Allure that Marilyn Monroe went to her husband for help because she allegedly got silicone injections in the months before she died and her breasts became infected and painful.

Considering how well documented the last months of Monroe's life were, surprised this was given any weight.

No, just, no.

Paulette Goddard

When did Marilyn Monroe do this photo shoot? I thought it was towards the end.

Because her boobs here don't look like they'd been injected with silicone, they look totally normal for a woman of 35-36.

Marilyn had a nose job but her boobs were real

R61, I think you're right, she looks much older in that picture than she did in the 50s. It looks like it was taken in the 60s when she was shooting that movie where she got naked in the pool (the one where she wanted to knock Elizabeth Taylor off the top of the box office).

Actually, r29, it's the opposite. Breaking the bones is fairly simple: they snap them away and move them around, shave them down if necessary, say to remove a dorsal hump, and then reset them. Work on the tip of the nose is much more difficult. Soft tissue requires more skill. It is not as easy to manipulate, it can shift post surgery, and it can also lose blood supply and die. Bone does not. I've had my nose done twice, because the tip was not right.

R4 She was stunning! What work could she have even needed? Vivian Leigh was bipolar and had tuberculosis and those two illnesses did so take their toll but she somehow aged really well just all the same.

^ Her nose looks a bit more bulbous than it did later on, though she was beautiful to begin with

I realize I didn't say all I wanted to in r64 (damn I wish we could edit on here like on reddit). Anyway, as my surgeon has explained to me, snipping a little bit of cartilage out of the tip of the nose is fairly straightforward. The problems come when too much has been removed, and the tip has to be rebuilt. In my case, the surgeon who did my first rhinoplasty took out too much cartilage at the tip. When I had it redone a few years ago, he had to harvest cartilage from my ear to rebuild the tip.

My doctor didn't take off enough bone so from the front some told me I looked exactly the same. A number of people knew I was getting a nose job and not one complemented me on it. I wanted to get another one but why spend the money and go through another ordeal.

And of course now that I'm getting older it's getting big. At least he got rid of the roman hook which I so hated and he didn't give me a ski slope.

I think that Kate Hepburn had something done post 1938; her nostrils and mouth are decidedly different. When she signed with MGM in 1940, she looked much better. It could have been her makeup.

R61 Marilyn had lost quite a bit of weight.

Not a Hollywood star, but Elvira Quintana, a Mexican actress and singer popular during the '60s, died at 32 of kidney disease believed to have been caused by her silicone injections.

R21 I suspect Rita had a nose job to slim the tip of her nose.

She looks like she did have a subtle nose job

"Barbara Stanwyck must have had a facelift"

DUH, EVERYBODY - ALL of those old female stars had facelifts, the old fashioned more natural looking facelifts.

Barbara Eden's nose job looks much less than natural. Check out Tina Louise's, same deal.

As people get older, their nose grows and many, many celebrities have a little nose work when they have their facelifts. Like Shirley MacLaine, Barbara Walters, even Andy Williams!

Here's a nose job you probably would never have thought of - Burt Lancaster.

[quote]I agree Audrey Hepburn probably had a nose job.

Audrey Hepburn had SEVERAL nose jobs. The 1950s Audrey is smaller than the attached adolescent Audrey. The 1960s Audrey is even smaller and thinner. Odd because it's so obvious, to me at least. Same with Lena Horne, whose nose got smaller and thinner each decade.

Eden really had a honker in her early days.

What did Eden's nose look like? I haven't seen it. For r76.

R21, the before pic wasn't even that bad. I always found Rita's boxy hairline too distracting.

Her boobs look really small there R61, but I'm not sure if it's because of the distortion of the scarf. Did she have her lips done as well?

R74 Shirley MacLaine? I really don’t see that one.

Marlo Thomas had a really terrible nose job. Her nostrils aren't even symmetrical.

Marlo on The Many Loves of Dobie Gills, pre nose job.

Barbara Eden pre-rhinoplasty

[quote]Cher has been long rumored to have had surgery but if she has it's so subtle you can't tell.

WTF? It wasn't a rumor, it came from HER. Cher has openly publicized her plastic surgery going back to the 1970s: boob lift, chin implant, hairline work, teeth straightened, nose 'improvement.' .This never was a secret.

^ I forgot lip enhancement.

As with many stars, they don't know when to quit. Marlo Thomas first nose job - the one on Anne Marie in That Girl - was infinitely better than the later version. I don't know what she was thinking:

I can't prove it but Michelle Lee looked like she had a nose job.

When someone said old time actresses all had facelifts - didn't some of them just use the tape or rubber headband, with a wig over it? Supposedly Lucille Ball couldn't have any plastic surgery or at least not a face lift, and used this method. It started on the last year of I Love Lucy (really not the original I Love Lucy, but the later, hour-long version of the show). She went from one episode with the pull-back and wig to the next one with natural looks and hair, and back again. Then on The Lucy Show she usually had the "lift" unles she had to be in the water, or something. She actually looked fine without it, for a long time.

R87 she had a terrible nose job. All the ones of that era (almost all of them) were so obvious - they were all done in the same style.

Are there any 'before and after' pictures of Burt Lancaster? I couldn't find any of him when he was young, so I can't really tell what he's had done.

R88 is 100% correct. Michelle Lee has the typical long sides, pinched look - what all the Jewish girls were getting in the 1950s.

Burt Reynolds was plastic surgery addicted, we all know that. But did you know he had his nose thinned before he was famous? See below. Then he kept going and going, guess he didn't have a friend who could tell him how awful he looked.

Kate Hepburn had one in the 50s and then one right before Coco.

Barbara Eden looks like Bette Midler in R5's photo. Whoa...

R80, the end of MacLaine's nose was more bulbous in her 1950s-60s heyday. If I didn't know this woman below, I could tell she'd had a rhinoplasty - the indentations on both sides just above the nostrils gives it away.

Carmen Miranda had a nosejob

Mary Pickford had a facelift

R94 honestly, it looks the same to me. But Burt Reynolds - wow!

R90 what do you mean by long sides? I know the nose job type just by looking at it but not sure what you mean by that.

R91, Yes indeed - wow!

I bet that Tom of Finland followed him and used him.

Irving Berlin became a recluse because of depression but also because he said he didn't want people saying, 'He's gotten so old.'

The Hollywood men aged far more than the women - Gable, Tyrone Power, Gary Cooper, Errol Flynn, Robert Taylor - all beautiful in their youth and became abruptly old and ugly after 40.

Gary Cooper before and after cosmetic surgery. It didn't help.

Burt Reynolds nose, going going gone

R84/R85 Must be Rose Nylund

R99 I was watching Mogambo the other night. Gable was 52. He sure wasn't ugly. Cooper and Taylor looked good older, too. The first time I saw these guys was in movies from the 50s on TV and they looked handsome to me. Power lost his looks to some extent and Flynn definitely looked used -- these guys were younger than the others you mentioned, btw.

This?

R100 that’s a good one because it’s one I never realized but most definitely true. Most of these fall into the category of very obvious /well known or very speculative (yes, noses look very different in black and white vs color photos, lighting and makeup can effect certain things, etc)

Jaclyn Smith had a nose job. You have to scroll down to see the "before" picture

Cary Grant looks as if he had the tip of his nose refined. Here he is before

And here is is after. It looks like good and subtle work.

It does look like he had a subtle nose job

R103 You're deliberately choosing the worst pictures of these guys. You said "over 40". Robert Taylor still looked good over 40, like in Ivanhoe when he was 41, or later in the 1950s. Anyhow this thread is about plastic surgery.

I think Cary Grant may have had a nose job, and also may have had his ears fixed, because I always noticed, even when I was a kid, his ears looked sliced off on the bottom, like the lobes were just cut off. He also had a fairly big lump on his forehead that he had removed. You can see it in An Affair To Remember. You can see it a little bit in this photo, though it usually was more prominent.

Another interesting thing about Cary Grant was that he was missing a front tooth, one of his incisors. He lost it as a boy and he pressed the other teeth together every day with his thumb and forefinger until the gap eventually closed.

Wow, Grant does have strange ears. And that thing with the teeth tells you a lot about his determination.

I do recommend the biography linked at R110. He was a really complex character.

R109 Great observation about Grant’s ears, I never noticed that before. They look cropped like a pit bull’s ears.

I wonder how many actors had their ears pinned back.....that's pretty common for male actors

R113 I know which one didn't

^ LOL!!!

R105 id need to see a color better quality picture. Honestly, I doubt it. Most nose jobs even today aren’t that natural looking let alone then. She has none of the tell tale signs.

None of the tell tale signs? Having a normal size nose then acquiring a much smaller one isn't a sign?

Another

Oops, wrong one

R118 it looks exactly the same except it’s a black and white fuzzy photo, where all noses look wider and slightly more amorphous.

She has none of the telltale signs meaning her supposed nose job nose literally has none of the signs (even subtle ones) , that it’s been “done.” And back in the early 70s when she would have had to have gotten it done? That was near impossible.

Huh? It looks like the typical "nose job nose" - small and narrow

I saw her in person in the '80s. She had a huge nose.

Some of these actors would not have careers if they kept their original nose.

That ranting, Irish drunkard—

R120, you need glasses

More!

There is a movie where Peter O'Toole has his original nose, that I've seen. It was an old Disney film, Kidnapped. From the late 50s. He did look different, he probably would not have been a standard leading man if he had not had his nose fixed. I don't think it was his idea to have it done, I think he was against it.

Jaclyn Smith clearly, CLEARLY had a nose job. And has had other things done as she ages.

What I don't understand is why Peter O'Toole and others KEEP having more and more nose jobs

Not Hollywood, but worth a mention: Paul McCartney's nose

Peter won't be having any more nose jobs

Buck never would have gotten a nose job.

Grant must have had an excellent face lift. In Indiscreet he is looking very jowly then in North by Northwest the face is looking not tight but firm.

Damn, Peter has Michael Jackson nose at r129

Paul McCartney's old nose fit his face much better. The new one feminized him.

This is one of those Paul is Dead videos. At 0:30 you can see the metamorphosis of Paul McCartney's nose - Paul with new nose 1 turns into Paul with nose #2. The music used? What else? The Fool on the Hill, the Sergio Mendes and Brazil 66 record.

Sorry, it should say, "Paul with nose 1 turns into Paul with nose #2"

Paul's old nose is dead

R130 McCartney looked positively feminine after he had his work done.

McCartney always looked fairly feminine, and plastic surgery made him look like an old lesbian. And he didn't age well, so he really had no good options.

And that's probably the worst thing that's ever happened to him in his enviable life!

Which surgery removed Jaclyn Smith’s acting ability?

R141, she never had any to begin with

Touché r142.

[quote] And back in the early 70s when she would have had to have gotten it done? That was near impossible.

Every Jewish girl (and quite a few Italians) on Long Island got a nose job for their sweet 16 back then.

Nanette Fabray. She was pretty without it. She ruined her face.

didn't read the whole thread but Elvis had a nose job. It's not a secret.

Mean like this, R156?

Did you know that OJ Simpson also had a nose job?

I never really noticed Elvis's nosejob before, but it looks obvious in r147's pic

Can we see before and after pics of OJ?

Early OJ. I don't see a comparison anywhere, but you can tell this is not the same nose he had later on. It was thinned, not a bad job.

RE: Paul McCartney - He had really bad teeth. Wonder why he never had them fixed? Perhaps English fans didn't care about teeth!

R9 - I thought that was a pic of Bette Midler at first!

R150, Paul McCartney didn't have bad teeth, he had crooked British teeth. He's since had them fixed - veneers, implants, dentures, whatever.

R144 ahhh I’m so aware of that (well many, they didn’t ALL need one) , and my point was, back in that era they all looked like Michelle Lee’s pinched nose job nose, or Suzanne Pleshette’s, not Jaclyn’s which looks very natural to me.

Carolyn Jones AND John Astin

And Lurch!

I thought Pleshette said she never had a nose job.

She could gave said anything......................

What in the world did Gloria Swanson have done that she could look still so perfect at age 78 (in this clip)? She doesn't have any signs of a facelift that I can see, other than that she has no wrinkles.

R156 ehrm yeah ok - yeah, she had two at least.

They used to call it the “Diamond nose” and she totally has it - both incarnations.

Suzanne Pleshette with her old nose

^ she looks like Paul Anka - after his nose job!

Not Hollywood again, although he's appeared in a movie, STING. It's possible he got the post-Police nose job because he thought he'd have a career in movies.

Lauren Bacall, despite insisting she never had surgery, definitely did. Heavy, heavy lids from the 60's through the late 1980's, and then magically, around 1993, she had them lifted.

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Joan Allen. Stark difference in her appearance between her first Jason Bourne movie and her second.

Not for the better, I'm afraid.

r21 Rita was 16-17 in your before picture, her natural hair wasn't raven, it was brown, don't forget she was already put in drag years prior by her father.

Lauren Bacall always had big ears that stuck out a bit, at the top, so it's hard to say if that was merely caused by a face lift. Giving her credit where it's due, though, she let herself look old when she was old, and sat for a photo. She wasn't like Jane Fonda who thinks you should try to look 50 when you're 80.

R164, there are a least a dozen, if not more, articles where she denounced it long after her surgery circa 1991-1992. Here's one from a blog that mentions them in general.

Here's Bacall in the late 1970's, looking rough already.

And here she is in 1997, eyes a-lifted.

2nd pic on that page ^^^

R171 Yeah, she had work done.

June Allyson. Good job, not tragic.

One face lift too many

Actually that 2nd one was taken before your first post R174. She's just excited about something. Maybe her Depends worked.

But I agree, she had good work done.

Julie Andrews with her original nose

R163 I actually love hooded eyes; they're so striking I don’t get why anyone would want to alter that. Faye Dunaway ruined herself when she did that - it was a large part of what made her beautiful.

R175 Maybe it dropped

Here's something I never thought of. You all know that men's earlobes grow as they grow older. Well, singer Andy Williams not only had a facelift and nose job, he had an ear-shortening. His tiny lobe ears sewn to his old face:

Younger Andy Williams with old ears, old nose, old teeth for comparison

R179, wow, thanks for the picture! I didn't even know people get their ears done lol

As you get older, your nose gets bigger and your lips thinner. Mick Jagger hardly has any lips now.

I'd think at some point the stars would go, "I'm old enough and rich enough, fuck 'em if they don't like my wrinkles and fat rolls." The constant treadmill of extreme dieting, exercise, beauty treatments, and plastic surgery must get exhausting.

RE: Paul McCartney - He had really bad teeth. Wonder why he never had them fixed? Perhaps English fans didn't care about teeth!

no one cares about teeth in the UK

R46 As an aside, was Glanville a whore?

Paul McCartney was only cute for about 5 minutes in the early 60s. If Pete Best or Stuart Sutcliffe had stayed in the band, Paul never would have been known as the pretty Beatle.

"I'd think at some point the stars would go, "I'm old enough and rich enough, fuck 'em if they don't like my wrinkles and fat rolls." "

Oh, I can see why the star actors like Tom Cruise overdue the plastic surgery, all they can do is give variations on the same star turn, and if their star persona is linked to a certain stage of life then they know damn well they'll lose their appeal if they age out of their usual roles. Same for starlets and himbos, if they don't look fabulous, they don't work.

But it's the real actors who need to have the sense to age normally, because they're the ones who need to resemble a human being of their own approximate age, so they can make the actor's progression from Romeo, to MacBeth, to Lear (paraphrase of an old adage). If a real actor has too much plastic surgery or bad plastic surgery, then when they get older they can't play anything except a modern person who's had a shit-ton of plastic surgery. Still, I see why the women do it at least, there are so few roles for women over 40-50 that they can get more work if they look under forty.

Beulah Bondi never aged. She was playing the same age in the 30s as she was in the 70s.

I recall Jack Nicholson saying he wouldn't get plastic surgery because his best feature was his smile and smiles don't get wrinkly.

Speaking of which WEHT Nicholson? He has totally disappeared. He's the same age as Hopkins who just won the Oscar.

R158 It does look like she's had a face lift here. Her fringe is hiding her very tightly pulled back forehead. There is a certain stiffness apparent in her eye area.

Are you saying that Gloria Swanson DIDN'T have a facelift, R190, or it doesn't LOOK like she had a facelift. If it's the former, I'd like to place a wager.

"Speaking of which WEHT Nicholson? He has totally disappeared. "

He's 84 years old. He's either retired voluntarily or because of ill health.

If someone so seemingly extroverted and publicity loving at Nicholson has disappeared, it's probably because he's developed dementia.

R191, Swanson is clearly wearing a tacky wig. Like Lucille Ball, she's taped her forehead waaaaay back, under her wig, smoothing out her crunchy crinkles.

Maybe because he's gone beyond creepy looking and as an attention seeking actor does not want to hear how horrible he looks.

R194 = 24 years old

Because there's nothing 24-year-olds love more than gossiping about Gloria Swanson

Nice try, R197!

Apparently Gloria Swanson had every cosmetic surgery known to medicine at the time, when she was 50, for her comeback role in Sunset Boulevard, and she looked fantastic for it.

A really obvious one is Leslie Caron, between Lili (1954) and Gigi (1958). The nose, but also the teeth, made less prominent.

R189 It is rumoured that Jack Nicholson is not in the best of health and at 83 that is pretty believable.

83 is relatively young these days. Check out this 90 year old asian babe who is stronger and more flexible than most 40 years olds...

How old is too old for a facelift?

Eighty-three is old if you've lived as hard as Nicholson has. He's had one helluva life.

R203, this guy is EIGHTY NINE.

why would an 89 year old straight married man want a facelift and who would put him under at that gae?

R206, think about how many octogenarians are torn apart for HIP surgery. It's a huge money maker for hospitals and the insurance industry.

For the average person of 83 years old, it probably means you cannot walk without pain, have failing eye sight and hearing.

[quote]83 is relatively young these days.

Maybe on DL. Otherwise, not really.

83 is beyond USA average life expectancy so yes, OLD.

Mike "Touch" Connors had a good eyejob late in life.

Has Natalie Wood's nose been mentioned?

Not sure if he's had work done -- doesn't look like it, but Don Johnson looks GREAT for 70!

[quote] ... Russian Empress Maria Feodorvna left the capital for few months after her husband died and returned looking much younger.

Had her hair turned quite gold from grief, R19?

Then why are you mentioning it, R213? Read the title of this thread. It isn't "What stars look good for their age."

I "suspect" that 1970s movie heartthrob-director Robert Redford had his eyes clipped, teeth veneered, forehead filled with fillers. In addition, I suspect he wears the most ridiculous wig in the history of mankind.

[QUOTE] R19 Russian Empress Maria Feodorvna left the capital for few months after her husband died and returned looking much younger. The gossip was she had had something done with her face. Back in those days it was painful and very risky.

There are pictures of her with Queen Alexandra (her sister slightly older Sister) many years after she was widowed and I can't see any evidence of 'work'.

If anything Queen Alexandra looks younger than her, the pic below is apparently from 1911 shortly after HM King Edward VII died.

R217 This is from alexanderpalace.org forum. It was a rumor. I just remember reading about it.

I can remember reading somewhere amongst my many dozen books on the Romanovs, that it was rumoured that Empress Marie Feodorovna had some sort of early plastic surgery involving some kind of acid face-peel !!! :o This sounds pretty extreme/horrendous Does anyone know if this was high society gossip by people envious of her looks, or a genuine occurance ? I will try and find the quote, and I expect hard evidence would be difficult tofind ... not the sort of thing people (esp royalty) would admit to having done ;)

Greg

R217 There is no evidence. You might be right.

R212, never noticed that before

The thread theme is specific. Not just Hollywood stars, but classic Hollywood stars. Just sayin.

Redford had work done, I think there was no effort to hide it (I forget). His hair looks real, not the color, though.

What were some of the Empress Marie Feodorovna's best classic movies?

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More Redford wig:

Do men his age have hair that thick? He looks older than some 90 year olds. All that sun probably. Has any beautiful man aged so badly?

Once beautiful Gary Cooper aged badly, but he wore an age appropriate wig. And he had the decency to die at age 60.

A better view of old Cooper. Of course not, R225. Men in their thirties don't have hair that thick.

I wouldn't call her classic, but has anyone considered OLIVIA NEWTON-JOHN?

All of them. They've all had work done and they all have wigs!

R224, that's NOT a wig. He's had thick hair -- and a widow's peak -- for his entire adult life. As others have said, it's just horrible coloring -- like a mix of orange soda and root beer. His face looks like the bottom of a leather boot because he's chain-smoked and worshipped the sun since his late teens. That's SIXTY years...

R226, 227, you're delusional dear. Thousands, if not millions of guys in their thirties have MUCH, MUCH thicker hair than Gary Cooper did. My gawd, Fernando Lamas just as ONE example made Cooper look completely bald.

And that's not a wig. Jimmy Stewart wore a wig his entire career and even though it was great at the beginning, it was obvious from "It's a Wonderful Life' onward, and horrible from the 70's onward as all the stars went with the cheap rugs...

Lola, it's nice to see you contributing here! (R230). How much did you get in that divorce settlement?

Kay Kendall's "before" picture

Did Merle Oberon have a nose job?

Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan, if you don't think old men can have a full head of hair.

Mitzi Gaynor

Dream on, R235. YOU are not going to have a full head of hair at that age!

R237 I already don't! lol

My dad had a full head of hair at 80, R237, and it hadn't all gone gray either.

My grandfather had all his hair, and only had a few gray hairs. He died at 75 though.

Yeah, I'm sure Robert Redford is just like that. Eye job, teeth implants, fillers for forehead creases - does NOT wear a wig or dye it. Note he bleached his red hair to blond for five decades.

I don't know about Classic Hollywood stars but it seems a pretty good bet that the MUMMY in the White House has plastic surgery.

R242 thinks Trump looks great

R241, you must be Robert Redford himself, because that is a wig.

R242, so what? Who hasn’t? Maybe you?

^ doesn't know what SARCASM means

Burt Lancaster

Maureen O'Hara, but she basically admitted that she had sixteen plastic surgeons when she played the mom in the original The Parent Trap in 1961.

R17, You only suspect?!

Hedy Lamarr

R171 What’s sad is how you can have that amazing bone structure and then still get jowls. I mean it happens to the best of us, but it’s depressing all the same.

R242 I agree, Joe’s looks bother me. Plugs, an eye job, big fake choppers. Full face lift?

R229 But there must be SOMEONE who had nothing done to enhance their youthful beauty (as opposed to fighting the ravages of age). Anyone?

What about Liz Taylor? I read she might have had a nose job, which would be disillusioning.

Biden had hair plugs over 30 years ago, they looked like shit for years... now they look okay, probably several more sessions, he has very little hair on the back of his head.

I knew Biden was going to run for president once I saw his full facelift, and that he'd lost weight.

R252 She had plastic surgery when she came out of Betty Ford the first time.

Lucille Ball apparently was unable to have a face lift because of the type of skin she had,so when she was around 50 she started pulling the face up temorarily in various ways for her TV/film work.

R254 Yes of course she had plastic surgery later. What I was referring to was a rumor she had her nose fixed at a very young age.

Liz at 15

Can someone explain the difference between the way they did facelifts years ago and the way they do them now? Several people referenced the only fashioned way was better and gave a more natural appearance.

They pulled skin then, R257. Later they pulled MUSCLE and skin.

Did Froy just out grow this nose?

It looks so different

Froy is a classic Hollywood star?

No, but I guess Jaclyn Smith, OJ Simpson and Joe Biden were.

Well at least OJ, Joe, and Jaclyn were famous pre 1980. Froy wasn't even alive in 1980

R263 And how does that make them classic Hollywood stars? I'll wait.

Carroll Baker looks like she had a nose job at some point

R45, weird that the article about Monroe doesn’t mention her obvious brow-lift.

dont know it that;s a brow lift or just a different angle

Natalie Wood seemed like a natural beauty. No surgery?

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R269 He was frequently on TV in the 80s in 90s. Even before cable news, he was a staple guest on the Sunday political panel shows. Probably people who go onscreen start fiddling with their looks.

R266, that's not a brow lift, it didn't exist then. MM had her hairline reshaped, which can be done very simply with tweezers.

Monroe didn't need a browlift, her foreyead was naturally high enough and the bleach blonde look make it appear higher. Well, maybe a little electrolysis around the corners, if the hair there didn't just fall out from the bleaching! But if her eyes seem larger and her eyebrows higher, that's a combination of pose and makeup.

She really wasn't anything special as a teen, was she.

He was frequently on TV in the 80s in 90s. Even before cable news, he was a staple guest on the Sunday political panel shows. Probably people who go onscreen start fiddling with their looks.

A lot of politicians have done this, it's not just about being on TV it's about wanting to win elections, and probably in Biden's case, vanity, since he loves to stick his old nose in young women's hair and shit.

R272 Her sex appeal was never just about her face. She had a great, naturally voluptuous body. (Seen here with Henry Fonda, before she was famous, in 1947.)

She probably wasn't a teen in that photo you're referring to, though I don't know. It's a picture of her as a model, not a snapshot, and the fact it's in color further indicates it's professional. But I don't know when she started.

Monroe and Fonda

Marilyn did have her nose slimmed, but the rest of it was make-up. Make-up guru Lisa Eldridge did a video on it showing all of the tricks Marilyn's favorite make-up artist used to give her the classic Marilyn face. It involved a lot of contouring.

Marlo Thomas. Yes, her.

276 I always have heard Marilyn had plastic surgery on her chin or jaw.

[276] see above

Monroe definitely did something to her eyelids. They are totally different before she started her career.

R254, Lucille Ball couldn't have plastic surgery because of her heavy drinking and smoking. Especially the latter.

I'm not sure how much of that is surgery, R280, and how much is learning not to squint when being photographed.

Lucille Ball HAD a complete facelift in her 40s. The smoking and drinking made her skin look 100 years old later when she did that surgical tape thing. Do not believe that "I can't have facelifts" bullshit or "I keloidal," it's all crap.

Lucille's face was always an illusion - the eyebrows drawn way up on her forehead, the lipstick line above her natural lips, the red wig.

R280/R282 To use a term from Tyra Banks, MM perfected the art of “smizing”. Also, plucking just enough from her lower brows to open up her eyes, along with her trademark winged eyeliner and individual lashes added to the corner of her top lids.

This thread is like pure heroin.

Today surgeons require that an individual stop smoking before having plastic surgery, but this was not always the case - do you honestly believe Elizabeth Taylor stopped smoking before her facelift? Sophia Loren, who smokes like a chimney to this day? Lauren Bacall? 99% of these classic stars were smokers.

Bacall lived long for an avid smoker. You'd think Bogart's death would have kept her from it.

R286, if they had other drugs to calm them down, yes. And they all had them, ESPECIALLY Taylor. There isn't a drug she didn't try.

And Bacall had only that one eyejob in the early 1990's, where suddenly we could see some skin. Plus she didn't drink like Ball.

Having said that, no doubt some were willing to take the risk to extend their career another 10-15 years. Like Bette Davis, addict that she was.

To calm them down, R288? What are you talking about? People smoke to get nicotine in their system - they're addicted to the drug nicotine. Elizabeth Taylor wasn't going to go through withdrawal just for a facelift. Btw, Bacall had a full facelift, not just an eye job.

How did Franco Nero remain so handsome. Great work? Cary Grant too?

Cary Grant was gay, that's how.

R280 I think it's just because in the first picture she's laughing.

Not sure if Lou Ferrigno has had anything done, but if he has, it looks great. He's 70 years old in this clip.

Tom Cruise -- anal rejuvenation

I saw Christian Slater in what I think might have been the latest DL icon Betty Broderick movie and it looked like he had something done to his face. And as good looking as I've always found him he didn't hold a candle in the looks department to Betty's shit of a husband.