Mae Martin comes out as non-binary!!!

Good for them. Meanwhile, the sitcom is excruciatingly bad.

Oooooh, I’m neither this nor that!

Who the fuck is this dyke?

Peter Pan beckons?

Does he present hole?

Her Netflix show is painful. I couldn’t make it through the pilot.

She’s a basic butch lesbian - since when is that non binary??? Attention seeking bullshit.

Is this what nobodies are doing to get attention now?

Celia Rubinstein was a friend to all mankind.....

WHO??!!!

I had them pegged as a ventriloquist’s dummy.

O I remember her. She has a bit in her stand-up how everyone assumes she is gay when she's actually bi. Maybe Joe Lycett and her should form a group.

Joe Lycett outed a young actor, recently, didn't he?

Alison Arngrim looks great!

[quote] She has a bit in her stand-up how everyone assumes she is gay when she's actually bi.

The chances she ever had live dick in her are about as high as those of Ross Mathews ever eating pussy.

She looks like a twink

Well chop off my tits and call me Cal!

I recently read that Allison Gill of the podcast Mueller, She Wrote is now saying she’s trans. WTF?

Can you come out if nobody knows who you are?

R11, he outed the lead actor from The End of the F*****g World but let's just that the guy in question hardly oozed masculinity.

Am twirling in my Vagina Cape with excitement as I type!

Free strap-ons for everyone!

You can come out *so that* people know who you are - i.e. a minor celebrity can come out (but only as "non-binary" or "trans" - gay and lesbian are very passé) and get favorable media coverage, both when they come out and later when the media are reluctant to give bad reviews. This is a good career move on her part.

Not so long ago, demanding to be called 'them' would have you diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Oh honey. You're not non-binary, you're just boring and don't have any real problems.

R19, I'm not sure how Sara and other attendees at MichFest (may its memory be for a blessing) would feel about this. Radical feminists are definitely very anti-transgenderism and presumably anti-NB because these two ideologies redefine womanhood as a set of behaviours (rather than sex) and thus limit women who wish to live as unconventional women without identifying as male.

Worship of one's own female body was, for example, a staple activity at MichFest whereas this girl's first act will no doubt be to have her tits lopped off.

R16 im not seeing this anywhere online. Maybe it's Another Allison gill

She's got Rami Malek eyes.

Is it they IS or they ARE ? Which is correct ?

In what way has she ‘come out’, when over a year ago it was published that she also used ‘they’ and claimed to have had relationships with both men and women?

LOL who?

It's "they are", for example: Have you heard about Sam Smith? They are hoping to become a mother.

r13 Oh how wrong you are. This new generation of soft butch women actually all go after men - often gay/bi men specifically. I bet she has a BF actually. Her whole thing is about how she isnt gay, thats literally why she has an ounce of recognition and then Netflix tried to make her happen and as she is an unfunny hack; no one bit. As r27 points out, this chick has been 'non binary' for years!!! Pink news has been calling her 'they' for literal years. Its like being in some alternative universe. She has literally already come out as this before. Fuck queers.

Also taking bets that she transitions into a 'gay man' in T-minus 2 years.

How in the hell can ONE PERSON be a 'THEY'?

r29 I guess its lucky that 'they' recently came out as pansexual and 'open to all genders' - not wanting to 'limit' themselves - as HE will need a FEMALE one way or another to have a child. Even if he calls himself the mom and her the father.

R29 Mother is not non binary.

r33 You are using reason and logic on queer theory, sweetie. Thats a no no!

Sam Smith would then be called the non-gestational parent

R33, Sam Smith himself has said that he wants to be a "mummy" or some rubbish. As R34 said, don't look for logic or consistency in queer theory - it's just a load of rubbish that finds easy marks in stupid or troubled people (Sam Smith is both).

Okay, I was just getting used to Colton Underwood...never heard of him until today, and now here comes Mae Martin. Don't know her, or fill in the pronoun.

And what the hell is nonbinary?

r37, 'Mentally Ill'

That shit needs to go back in!

And yet no one cares Mae.

I'm ternary.

(That's THREE genders, dontchaknow.)

Jealous, bitches?

R10 when’s the last time she sucked a dick?!? Come on now...

“heartfelt”. lol

Btw... Queer Theory used to be something very cool to read about before the creepy non-sense trans shit coopted it

You know what... the only NB or whatever I’ve been friends with, a lovely lady a lot of the time, just a soft butch- she makes thinks up as she goes along, history of abuse, she has a personality disorder... she’s absolutely an autoandrophilic. Shits gotta be called WHAT IT IS

R31, 'they' has been used in the singular since at least the 14th century.

I think Mae Martin has a great androgynous look.

I'm glad I'm on the verge of being old, maybe I can use it as an excuse not to have to learn what to have to call everyone.

This degree of navel-gazing is not a good look.

No one -- not even your family or friends or lovers -- cares about the painful minutiae of your identity. Most people are FAR less interesting than they realize.

Also, this decedent self-absorption implies a lot of privilege that never seems to get checked. I doubt prisoners in a North Korean labor camp or Filipino "workers" trapped in Dubai wax poetic about their "identity."

[quote]I'm ternary.

Why didn't I think of that?!

R48 Amen, honey!

[quote] I'm ternary.

[quote](That's THREE genders, dontchaknow.)

[quote]Jealous, bitches?

Oh yeah? Well I’m Quantumary. I am any and all genders simultaneously, but only settle on one when someone looks at me.

LOOK AT ME!

Careful, R51, it sounds like you are close to becoming a Weeping Angel, quantum locked, and only able to move when observed. If this happens, you will be forced to lurk, waiting for a victim to attack and send back in time so you can feed off of the quantum energies that result.

R52 It’s the other way round. Weeping Angels move when they are not observed

You are right of course, R53, I'm not quite awake yet

R25, that’s a great song.

Is she sixpence none the richer?

I'm so confused.

I know what gay is; I know what straight is; bisexual too. But what is non-binary? Are you a big nothing? A floating bunch of possibilities?????

Does anyone know????

Any one who can’t see that this is a social contagion is blind.

Would someone non-binary be able to attend Michfest?

Michfest is for real women who also identify as women. A non-binary (refusing to be a woman or man) would be the first to go berserk if someone refers to 'it' as a woman.

decadent at r48 and "oh, dear" myself

I've absolutely had it with hearing about pronouns. It's such a "look at me" thing, especially for so-called nonbinaries. If they didn't announce it, no one would know or care, so, clearly, the whole point is to get people talking about you and walking on eggshells about how they refer to you in the third person. It's insanity.

Also, there's no Michfest anymore.

R57, the things you say you understand are all different places on the sexuality spectrum. This gender stuff is entirely different, though you'd be forgive for thinking otherwise given how they've been lumped together in all those dreadful acronyms like LGBT.

^*forgiven

Forgiven!!!

Thank you so much [R63], because I was WORRIED.

Ngl, R65, it was traumatic at first when I noticed my error. I could hear the billow of the caftans and the jangle of the earrings as their wearers leaned into the computer keyboard to type, "Oh, dear!"

Everyone needs to start FFing every tranny thread for any reason. These people are nothing but narcissistic attention seekers.

Her eyes are too close together.

Are non-binaries only attracted to other non-binaries? Or do they want it all? I myself can hardly keep up with one grouping.

They must be exhausted.

[quote] Are non-binaries only attracted to other non-binaries?

This is a moot question because NBs don’t get laid.

They is practically an aristocrat.

They is the daughter of a Chatto, and they's cousin is married to Princess Margaret's daughter.

They is second cousins with the frequently shirtless Arthur Chatto.

[quote] Is it they IS or they ARE ? Which is correct ?

IS is correct. She is singular. She is not multiple people so ARE is grammatically incorrect.

I understand what you're saying, R72, and totally agree that Mae Martin is singular and not plural herself, and so we should say "she is"*. However, in the weird and wacky world of gender identity, they would say "they are" as opposed to "they is", even for an individual person.

*Folks, don't give me that shit about "they" having been used for individuals for centuries, - it was only ever used for unknown people whose sex was, by extension, also unknown. Once the identity of the individual is established, the sex is also immediately established, and one reverts to using "he" and "she".

[quote][R19], I'm not sure how Sara and other attendees at MichFest (may its memory be for a blessing) would feel about this. Radical feminists are definitely very anti-transgenderism and presumably anti-NB because these two ideologies redefine womanhood as a set of behaviours (rather than sex) and thus limit women who wish to live as unconventional women without identifying as male.

When I did a bit of reading about what was then called the "lesbian separatist" movement in the 1970s, this question already was coming up in women's communities.

The quote that stuck with me was "You can shoot an apple up with orange juice, but it's still an apple."

[quote]Folks, don't give me that shit about "they" having been used for individuals for centuries, - it was only ever used for unknown people whose sex was, by extension, also unknown. Once the identity of the individual is established, the sex is also immediately established, and one reverts to using "he" and "she"

If it makes you feel better.

I dunno, maybe though working on your own life and happiness would make you less eager to rant and rage online about how other people who have nothing to do with you are living their lives. Just a suggestion.

Do we have any non-binary folks on DL? I have a ton of questions.

If imagining themselves to be transgender or non-binary makes people happy, then "More power to your elbow", I say! To each his own. (Having said that, I have seldom seen an unhappier bunch.)

You say that I should use the correct "he"/"she" pronouns when a person's identity and sex are established if it makes me feel better - but this is not a question of making me feel better, it is a question of the truth.

And to the extent that I am ranting and raging (one usually rants and raves, by the way), it is because I cannot stand disingenuousness in argument, such as the common lie that "they" has been in common use for discrete individuals for centuries.

R77 is FAO R75.

OP, I read this thread caption as: "Mae Martin comes out as non-hairy!!!"

I mean, her hair (oops, their ) hair is rather sparse... but still there... hmmm...

OH.

No peter pain for Mae Martin.

What dies Miles Heizer feel about this?

I’m pansexual I have a cookware fetish....oooh show me your skillet!

Excellent as Nellie Fore-Bush, Peter Pan, And Maria von Twat

Oh...I thought it said Mae Murray...

Mae Martin has been nominated for a BAFTA for best FEMALE performance in a comedy programme.

OUTRAGE INCOMING

LITERAL VIOLENCE

[quote]r30 how wrong you are. This new generation of soft butch women actually all go after men - often gay/bi men specifically.

[italic]Is it safe to leave the house ? ?

Mae Martin is a member of the British royal family! Her uncle, her father's brother, is Daniel Chatto, who is married to the Queen's niece and Princess Charlotte lookalike Lady Sarah Chatto!

Mae Martin is still a twat!

THIS FACE FREAKS ME OUT AND PLEASE STOP SHOWING IT!!!!!!

I watched two episodes of FEEL GOOD and I first thought Martin was a trans woman as she's as flat-chested as a man. The show is too hyper and I can't believe Martin's GF on the show doesn't run as fast from her as she can given Mae's pathologically needy behavior. She'd certainly freak out any rational person.

She looks like she could be Alison "Nellie Olesen" Arngrim's daughter.

I always feel like non binary is trying to have it both ways. Or possibly all ways, if you roll in a little bisexuality.

We can choose our gender now?

Where the hell have I been?

I'm amazed by the sudden requirement to tell people what "gender" you identify as. Can you imagine introducing yourself, saying your name and that you are gay when you meet a stranger? Or introducing yourself and proclaiming what medications you're on? What mental illnesses you have? What religion you are? Who the fuck cares what magical thinking you have about boyhood or girlhood or themhood? Just tell me your name, which I'll forget in 3 minutes anyway.

Is Lifetime making the Frosted: the Joan Lundin Story?

Three words: no she’s not.

Our movement has sold us out.

In a world where you can be better known for being "non-binary" than know for any talent you might have.

She will probably get a book deal, r97. Our movement no longer promotes Gay men and lesbians. It’s all the T and NB end of things.

I loved her in Peter Pan.

I watched some of their series "Feel Good." It was single-handedly the most narcissistic, self-referential program EVER. Just her talking about herself, analyzing herself, performing her act - which is all about analyzing herself, etc. She's unbearable. Also: not a very good comedian.

She is a spoiled rich girl doing what spoiled rich girls do for attention. Its just that 'queer'/ gender stuff is the current du jour thing for rebellious 'young' (she isnt even that young) girls. So pedestrian.

Mae Martin has done an interview where she talks about having a double mastectomy which means she can now model men's clothes.

[quote]Late last year, Martin had top surgery. There were only a couple of weeks to recover, over Christmas at their parents’ place in Toronto, before getting back to work as an actor, filming a new role in the second series of HBO’s The Flight Attendant. (“It’s like explosions and gunfights. It’s juicy. Totally out of my comfort zone.”) Martin had been binding their chest during the initial period of filming, so continuity wasn’t an issue post-surgery. “It’s so not the most interesting thing about me,” Martin is quick to point out. “It’s just one facet of who I am. But I know also that visibility is super important. So it’s always a [question of] oversharing and over-focusing on something that’s ultimately just one small part of me.”

The best line from the interview

[quote]I just feel like myself. I don’t even feel nonbinary. I just wake up, have a coffee and go to work.

Groundbreaking.

I'm glad it said as I would have mistaken them for a girl.

The best ones are the non-binary females. lol

She's cute. Ut's sad that she had herself mutilated.

If they choose to be known as "they", it seems as though they are claiming to be a little of each - female/male, or none of either. But that doesn't make any sense, at least to me. If you say you are neither, shouldn't you be known as an "it" or some other evasive term? I ask this sincerely.

One of the most obvious replies to the GQ twitter thread about it.

[quote]This is Bananarama forty years ago. A lot of women dressed like this in the 80s and didn’t label themselves as special and different from other women. Non-Binary is a middle class affectation and regressive.

Duh!

DEAR GOD. Read this interview (by a 'queer woman who is also asexual') of the author of the above piece. The author of the article - Jeremy Lin - has a book out about gay bars, and she spend the whole time shoehorning how 'gay bars' make her uncomfortable. It is sheer lunacy and entitlement. Holy FUCCCCCCCCK.

[quote]As a queer woman who’s also asexual, I’ve found that bars (gay or straight) haven’t exactly felt comfortable for me, since most contain an element of hook-up culture. Do you find the gay bar to be inherently sexual in nature or is the answer more complicated?

I don't get where her feeling of being unsafe stems from. You get hit on a a bar just say, "No thnaks." They persist, say "Fuck off." End of.

Also queer but asexual...how does that work?

r110 Its lunacy. The fact we are just supposed to nod along and act like she has any kind of view point to add to the gay world is just bonkers. And its just another iteration of the Mae thing which is why I posted it; basically str8 women, who feel entitled not only to grasp onto the gay community, but to claim it as their own, police the thoughts of actual gay people etc etc.

Mae is an unbelievably privileged lady, look her up. But now, with a new sacred label, she can pretend to be some down trodden victim for even more media attention.

It’s enough to make a sensible man identify as simply attracted to other men rather than subscribing to any of this now absurd alphabet soup…

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

HER, R1. Good for HER!

R86 CLITORAL violence.

R110

[quote]Also queer but asexual...how does that work?

Queer + asexual = ugly as fuck. Good thing they don’t want sex anyway.

Queer is anyone "not cis het" - or even cis hets who are "not conforming to cishetnormativity (like fatties)" - aka any weirdo who is part of the LGBTQIA+ community.

Lots of LGBs claiming to be Queer. Trans and Non-binaries (who claim to be either also trans or under the trans umbrella) and Genderfluids = also Queer. Asexuals and Aromantics (aka "A") = also Queer.

I need to figure out how I'm "oppressed" and start using it as currency!

The comments on this are brilliant

[quote] The best line from the interview

[quote] I just feel like myself. I don’t even feel nonbinary. I just wake up, have a coffee and go to work.

[quote] Groundbreaking.

It is, because that's the general feeling of people who took a heavy weight off their shoulder by coming out as gay. Someone dismissing that outs himself as someone who has never struggled with something like being gay.

Mae is one of the comedians who got interviewed for the recent Kids in the Hall: Comedy Punks docu special from Amazon Prime.

[quote]It is, because that's the general feeling of people who took a heavy weight off their shoulder by coming out as gay. Someone dismissing that outs himself as someone who has never struggled with something like being gay.

Seriously?

Maybe because I've been pretty much out since my teens and was bullied at school for being a queer I don't wake up and obsess about being gay. Like Martin I also have a coffee and go to work. I worry about whether my useless colleague is going to blame me for not doing things she is responsible for, I worry about whether it's going to rain so I can eat my lunch in the park, I worry about whether the train will be on time, I worry about other things in life.

R102 nothing says "be yourself" like lopping off your tits.

I read this as "Mary Martin Comes Out as Non- Binary!!!" which was a confusing way to start the day.

She/they/Mae looks like Welsh actor Tom Rhys Harries, most famous for his shirtless role as The Gay in Hunky Dory.

But she isn't as pretty and doesn't have pecs like him.

r122

So you judge people for worrying about stuff that you don't worry about? You, Sir, are a cunt.

[quote]Asexuals and Aromantics (aka "A") = also Queer.

Who in the world is coming up with all of these "rules?" It's starting to get overwhelming which is why I mostly try to ignore it. But alas, come every June...

With all do respect, as someone who actually is asexual, I strongly disagree with this assessment, r117. I am not "queer" and refuse to identify as such. I'm old enough to remember when that was a slur for gay men. It, legit, feels wrong and mildly uncomfortable to label myself with the term for that reason.

Is anyone watching "Wayward" on netflix? this chick plays a dude, a cop. It's very hard to suspend disbelief.

And Netflix wonders why it’s always in the red. Stop casting the mentally ill.

[quote] In a 2024 interview with Adam Grant, Martin discussed their ADHD diagnosis and their experience with the disorder.

Of course she did.

I prefer the work of Max Martin, but that’s even a stretch.

[quote]And Netflix wonders why it’s always in the red. Stop casting the mentally ill.

I don't disagree with your point but you should find a better way to make it because Netflix is never in the red. It's an extremely profitable company. So you sound dumb.

I watched one episode of WAYWARD, and Martin isn't remotely credible as a cop from Detroit who supposedly has a "violent streak." She can't really act to be honest. On her previous show she was pretty much playing herself.

Maybe I should use he/himself. On WAYWARD her character is a trans man and we get a shirtless scene.

[quote] In a 2024 interview with Adam Grant, Martin discussed their ADHD diagnosis and their experience with the disorder.

These freaks always have myriad pathologies that make them oh so very special.

They are all low-level narcissists and exhausting to everyone around them. What will be next for this ridiculous bitch?

So they had her breasts removed. Next step is to become a trans man unless they is one already.

Gross

She's supposed to be a man in the show R135. The wife is even pregnant. It's really cringey because the characters constantly talk about how he's a man, like anyone thinks that. It's a lesbian couple. One scene she overpowers an 18 year old guy with a knife, like that would ever happen. She also beats the fuck out of a kid in the hall, again, nope. I don't understand why they didn't just have her as a lesbian.

Even it's name is fucking annoying.

To quote Ouisa-

Who gives a shit.

[quote] I don't disagree with your point but you should find a better way to make it because Netflix is never in the red.

You’re an idiot. It’s always in the minus column.

She should get the lead in that Kerri Strug movie instead of Millie Bobby Brown.

One of the most gorgeous men in college was a butch lesbian (or at least that's what I assumed).

Masculinity is like femininity much a performance. I've never met anyone who is 100% Rambo or 100% Snow White.

I don't understand conservative homosexuals. Half of you are prancing around in hot pink thongs as we speak. And the other half have their faces up a man's oily bum. You're not what any of us will ever consider "normal". REPENT.

R137 I believe Mae is bi

R137 Wiki says hers/his/theirs character is a transgender man. So the wife couldn't get pregnant by Mae's character

R137

She/they is a trans man in the show. At one point, they talk about her lack of stubble and her dosing being too low.

Jesus H Christ these people are so precious and tedious.

[Quote]Mother is not non binary.

Phew!!

[quote]I had them pegged

I see what you did there, r9.

Does she show off her ittty bitty zipper titties?

She had a thing with Caitlyn Jenner...I have no respect or empathy for her.

EEEEEEEWWWWWW r151! 😵‍💫🤢🤮

R150 yes, her chest is shown, she's a dude, after all, and dudes walk around shirtless! But everything she says and how she acts is so chicklike, why didn't they just have her play a lesbian? I don't get it.

Ellen looks good.

Her acting is terrible in Wayward. The pilot was half over before I was able to figure out her gender and relationship in the storyline. If you like nervous binaries this series is for you.

Yes R155, because we know she didn't impregnate the wife so we were wondering who she was in the story. The whole "rogue cop" thing is ridiculous. And that all the cops and other men treat her like a man, no way that would happen.

She looks exactly like young DL fave Alison Arngrim. She could play her in a biopic, something like "Shit Bra and Me; a prairie tale". That Rabbit woman was more butch and believable.

Atta them! Way to go!

Anything called Feel Good makes me

I've watched Wayward and the character of Alex is also supposed to be a trans man in the storyline. Mae Martin is a producer on the show. It's not like the creators are trying to make it seem as though Alex is a biological male that got his wife pregnant. It's not made into a big thing; it's more subtle with references about how small towns aren't normally accepting but "we're not like that here".

It's set in 2003 and there's also a small reference to how they're not actually a legally married couple (given it wasn't legal then).

I agree Mae Martin's acting isn't great and that the show isn't brilliant. But the trans issue isn't ignored, it's just not made into a big deal or a major plotline. Instead the show's focus is more on how bad parenting causes mental issues in children who can then pass those issues onto their children and so on.

They finally discuss it at some point but the first 15 minutes you’re trying to determine if “they” is trans male or the young adult son. Finally you see they’re a couple but it’s annoying because it’s treated as there is something wrong with you for not fully understanding everything from the get go. I understand the desire for normalcy but in a movie or TV series most people need some help connecting dots when it comes to gender minorities. Mae’s terrible acting doesn’t help.

Hannah Gadsby the sequel.

R160 Not sure it takes 15 minutes. I remember it being quite clear Alex is the new town cop pretty clear and that they're a couple.

Also, many TV shows start of with a little bit of mystery rather than immediately spelling out relationships from the get go.

Oops. I meant "Alex is the new town cop pretty early".

Parvati’s girlfriend.

Yep, I’m Mae

Truth.

Mae’s acting is incredibly bad in all genders and sexualities.

Who, Mae Martin?

Now that the mystery of Mae Martin's pronouns has been solved, what do I have to look forward to?

Jeremy Sumpter is the ONLY Peter Pan!

[quote] Now that the mystery of Mae Martin's pronouns has been solved, what do I have to look forward to?

Her luscious zipper tits of course!

So is she a trans male irl? In the series she’s shirtless and zero tits.

We're all non-binary, based on their definition. Unless you're a girl who has no masculine characteristics or a guy with no feminine characteristics. I'm sure there are individuals like that, but not many.

It’s so odd how only 1% of the population is trans, yet somehow they are featured in so many TV shows and movies, even when it make.s little to no sense. In my opinion it actually undermines the trans journey and objectifies trans people.

R174 You sound like homophobes who say: gay people make only 2%-3% of the yet somehow they are featured in so many TV shows and movies

I prefer Mae Murray.

R175 representation is a positive thing when it’s done respectfully,, but objectifying people based on their minority status for inclusion primarily because it’s a cause celebre or triggers others - and really makes little to no sense in a storyline - is disrespectful.

non-binary and non-descript

In OP's picture, at any rate, they could be Paul Cassidy's, um, less ravishing sibling.

R177 Those same homophobes would argue that a lot of gay characters are there because it’s a cause celebre or triggers others